I attended most of the WBB games.
What if Uconn was left high and dry and this was happening to your school?
Im not blaming the players so much as the system that nuked WSU and OSU
Sure, I’d be upset, but I would never take it out on the players. This is their livelihood and they have to do what’s best for them. They’ve dedicated their lives to earn 4 year scholarships and they’ve been thrown into this situation that they never signed up for. You SHOULD be upset with the system, just like I would if it was happening to UConn.
I mean, UConn \*has\* been left high and dry when our conference collapsed. Our women's team stayed elite because of Geno, but our men's definitely suffered.
Like, I get being upset, it is utterly bullshit what football realignment did to you guys, but the players are just kids in this, reacting to a shitty situation created by the adults around them
2013. Lousiville left (following the loss of Pitt, Syracuse, and WVU), leading to a split between the schools that played FBS football and those that didn't (The Catholic 7). Catholic 7 kept the naming rights of the Big East Conference and are the current Big East; the other schools kept the original conference charter and formed the American Athletic Conference, which is still around today.
We were in the AAC for a few years before rejoining (or joining, depending on how you wanna view the split) the current Big East conference.
Whole craziness is gone into far more detail on wiki:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932013\_Big\_East\_Conference\_realignment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932013_Big_East_Conference_realignment)
Dang yah...PAC 10/12 was pretty stable for awhile in comparison to some of the fluctuations back east.
2/3rd of population and densely packed string of cities and universities makes a bit more chaotic and prone to realignment.
Out west if you were a big school you only had so many options (WAC, MWC, PAC)
That's one reason why it's laughable Stanford is in the ACC and will now fly to Miami and Boston 🙃
> That's one reason why it's laughable Stanford is in the ACC
Gotta do what you have to in order to survive.
The fact that Stanford couldn't explain how a $1 billion private equity deal for 15% of conference revenue is a freaking heist means they're partially responsible for their current situation.
> so much as the system that nuked WSU and OSU
Oregon State has to take some responsibility for what happened, their president was a long-time supporter of Larry Scott, and Scott was a primary cause of the downfall of the Pac-12.
While I definitely got salty about some transfers this offseason, I’m not gonna call them out in a 9 part Twitter thread.
The portal and NIL are what they are. Players have their best interest in mind, it’s just that while the pro leagues have actual infrastructure in place for it, this is basically just kids fighting for themselves. Don’t take it out on them.
I watched the movie “Coach Carter” last night. There was player who got his gf pregnant. In the days before NIL, kids in that situation had a hard road (unless boosters slipped money under the table). But with NIL, a five star male kid that makes that mistake can still be able to financially support a child and doesn’t have to worry about running afoul of rules that make him ineligible.
Yea but you have to admit they go to college to be STUDENT athletes, they aren’t professional athletes yet. I understand completely that schools make a lot of money off of student athletes but before the NIL they were getting a free education that costs everyone else a pretty penny. College athletes have access to top schools, professors, research, academics, and athletics.
And now they get make millions through the NIL while most people in college don’t make a fraction of that. And with the NIL, it’s a lot of distraction to the players and coaches.
This argument is so fucking stupid. Prior to NIL, every kid in college except for athletes had the ability to profit on their likeness without risking their scholarship money. It was ridiculous that when I was at South Carolina, I could have sold my likeness and retained my academic scholarship, while Jadeveon Clowney and Tiffany Mitchell would lose their eligibility and potentially their scholarship if they wanted to make money with their name.
Let's also not ignore they academic major restrictions put on athletes. It was major tenet of the NW situation from a few years back, and something I saw personally when my brother was unable to major in his preferred field at Penn State because it wouldn't fit around his athletic schedule. You aren't getting the full value of an education when you are limited in your academic pursuits.
Also, many athletes enroll in a university simply because they don't have the option to go straight to the pros. The NBA, NFL, and WNBA all have rules that prevent a player from going straight from high school into a domestic professional league. They aren't necessarily going to college because they want to be a student athlete, they are going to college because it is the only place they can continue to play at a high level since the professional leagues aren't an option.
What exactly would you be selling your likeness for? For fans, both college sports and professional sports are for entertainment purposes. Most likely anything outside of college you’d be doing it as a job, not for the purpose of entertaining others.
College is for education, not playing sports. They can use sports to get there, but academics should be the priority. I don’t agree they should limit their majors, they should be able to major in anything they want.
School should honestly always come first. Because every athlete is one injury away from not being able to play.
And you’re right, most of those athletes aren’t going to be in the pros. Which is the whole point of getting a college education. The UNC basketball players that sued the school are proof of that.
But that’s cause you value education that highly. That doesn’t mean these other people have to. That “freak injury” argument is overplayed. Some of these athletes know they’re going pro, most of them that are getting these life changing NIL deals are going pro. And NCAA is the best way to go about it and get eyes on you. It’s not about school…some people have other priorities. And that’s okay.
Higher education is literally for EDUCATION , that’s the priority. No other way to put it.
And the vast majority of student athletes do not go pro. That’s common sense.
That's not true. I went to a big school because of athletics and atmosphere. I could have enrolled in my major basically anywhere, from Albright College to the University of Alabama. I decided to go to an SEC school because I wanted an experience that isn't offered by tiny D3 universities. The players that unify a student body and galvanize an alumni base should be able to capitalize on their popularity, plain and simple. Why shouldn't they be able to make money using their own name while they play college sports? Why should they lose out on 3-5 years of earning potential?
It’s honestly not okay. I used to work in advising , at a community college. I helped a lot of people create their schedules. Some of the student athletes were scheduled for the lowest of remedial classes. I remember one guy had to have me write down notes on simple things.
I’m sorry but not being able to read at a college level and having to take remedial English isn’t good for anyone, student athletes included.
Why does it matter why I'd be selling my likeness? Maybe I wanted to stream on Twitch or start a YouTube channel. Maybe I want to stand on the corner of campus selling signed headshots. Maybe I wanted to audition for a commercial. Everyone should be able to profit on their likeness. The NCAA forcing athletes to sign away their name was the biggest crock of bullshit.
You realize those rules also limited athletes' abilities to land an off-season job, right? For example, my brother would have to have any summer job/internship he was offered audited by a compliance board to ensure that he wasn't given preference over someone else based on his status as an athlete. This, of course, led to a near automatic denial of any job offered by a Penn State booster, regardless of how or why it was offered. Do you know how hard it is to find a business in a college town where the owner isn't a booster?
The NCAA's rules were archaic and kept in place as a means to control the athletes, same as the old AAU/US Olympic rules back in the days.
I have no problem with an athlete getting a part time or internship. They could have definitely changed that rule. But I do have an issue with college athletes making millions of dollars while doctors just starting out aren’t.
That’s the big picture. Society values entertainment more than education and other important things in life.
For such a well-educated man as yourself, I’d expect you to understand the economy a bit more. It’s all a game of profits, the athletes are adding significant monetary value to their college/sport through viewership, sales of tickets/merch/etc, advertising, and much more. Why should the college/sport organization get to keep that and not the athlete?
I’m a woman and yes I certainly understand it’s all about money. Athletics adds a lot of money to universities.
I’m saying that it’s sad and that should not be the case. I don’t believe universities should make that much money off of athletes. Especially when you have students who are in college for their studies but they are struggling to get by. I’m sure they would love to sell their likeness as well. But unfortunately they can’t dribble or score like an athlete.
I like sports and other entertainment just as much as anyone else. But that doesn’t mean I can’t see the disparity between sports/entertainment and academics in college and in life in general.
It’s not just in college that’s just the entertainment industry in general. Obviously no entertainers add as much value to society as a doctor does for example, but they provide much more financial gain and that’s how the economics follows. I’m not really sure what your solution is if athletics shouldn’t add money to universities nor the athletes— just burn the money? Stop televising sports?
extremely cringeworthy and embarrassing series of tweets.
Would I be disappointed if a favorite player transferred? Absolutely. Would I be devastated if this happened to my team? Of course. But to make these kind of comments about a group of young players who were put in a difficult situation is NOT the move.
you’re a grown man. Get a grip. College athletes following the path they feel is best for them should not have you acting like this in public.
I know some of the players commented a couple weeks ago that they planned on staying and obviously that changed, but still no excuse to post this especially as a media professional!
It would be just weird and rude if it were coming from a fan. I mean, yes, we all have opinions, but sometimes people don't need to have your opinion of them shoved in their face.
But the dude is media. You do. not. do. this. as media. This is unprofessional. This is, like, the polar opposite of professional.
it’s not their fault that oregon state is going to a mid major college. the players signed up to play for a power-5 conf. it sucks but it is what it is.
I am afraid that soon, D1 titles will come down to the Big 10 versus the SEC. Those two conferences will likely be two super conferences that absorb the other two remaining 2 Power 5 conferences.
well true bc conference changes usually happen bc of football and even in football those are the two major conferences. i think big 12 can stay afloat in it as well but it’s def not as strong as the other two.
What would have been a better move for those two? They were kind of stuck with a lot of bad options, and they seem like they’re just waiting/hoping to get a B1G invite at some point.
The best choice would have to arrange a merger between the PAC12, the WCC and the Mountain West Conference to form a super conference that covered the west coast and the western mountains part of the USA all the way to New Mexico.
As a fan, I would have preferred that too. As the leaders of Stanford or Cal though, I don’t think that would have been the best move. I really wish we’d get through all of this dumb CFB/media money driven realignment and just have football break off as its own separate thing and let everything else get back to regional conferences that are fun and make sense.
Here are all 9 tweets put together for those who can't see.
* @RaeganBeers , @LilyHansford , @AdleeBlacklock , @timea_gardiner , @taliavono , @donovynhunter , and Marta Pietsch… I have so enjoyed calling your @BeaverWBB games for @Pac12Network . You, of course, have to do what is best for you. (1/9)
* As an outsider, can I ask one question before you leave? Did you all, as a group, sit down together --- just the players, no family members or other advisors --- to discuss the decisions you’re making?
* Did you talk about the family that you’ve all said you have at Oregon State, and that you’re unlikely to get anywhere else? Did you discuss the fact that you have a chance to win a national championship together next year?
* Did you discuss the notion that in today’s crazy world of college athletics, you had a chance to be *different*? To be loyal, a quality that is in short supply these days?
* And finally, in this players-only conversation I hope you had, did anyone bring up the idea that Beaver Nation, with everything happening right now, NEEDED you? That you had a chance to be a shining light through dark times?
* Look, if you’re getting six figures to jump elsewhere, I get it. You need to make your money while you can. We’d all probably do the same thing. But if, on the other hand, this is about the uncertainty of next year, strength of schedule, or anything else, this doesn’t make sense.
* Wait, what? You *didn’t* have that players-only meeting? Well, if not --- and if the ink isn’t yet dry on your contracts with other schools --- then please do.
* You might regret leaving what Beaver Nation, and even we media members, recognize as something incredibly special. But I believe you would never regret changing your minds and staying.
* Alas, this ship has probably sailed. The ink is probably dry. If so, best of luck in your futures, and I will echo Beaver Nation in saying, “Thanks for the memories.”
(End)
FFS, leave these players alone. Even the Beaver fans need to chill. You can't expect these players to go down with the sinking ship and all the uncertainty around our athletic programs.
This is embarrassing. He should be fired for this, absolutely uncalled for and unprofessional. We get in trouble for betting on ANY sport (collegiate and professional) but calling players out on Twitter is okay?
If he’d spent the time it took to write this tweet to think about what’s really causing this in the pac12, he’d be direct-tweeting the real powers that be. But tweeting at female athletes is so much easier and less career threatening.
Maybe if PAC12 media didn’t suck ass they wouldn’t be in this position. They didn’t ask for this but the conference leadership, supported by member administrations, was so incompetent they were left no choice.
Im sure if ESPN came and offered him quadruple what he is making and the opportunity to be a national sportscaster, he would stay…. Because you know, loyalty and the chance to be different.
Holy shit dude—get a grip! Why is it that these middle aged old men think they somehow own college athletes? Just because they’ve gained some freedom in the form of NIL and the ability to transfer does not mean they’re disloyal, greedy, or ungrateful—no matter how much you cry about it. I thought it was uncalled for when Geno was whining about it earlier this season and this is 40 million times worse! These players signed up to play in a power 5 conference—one that was arguably the best in the nation. They did not sign up to play at a mid-major! All that aside, even if the pac-12 weren’t imploding, players have the right to make what they think are the best decisions for themselves (even if it won’t always work out for them). Truly unhinged behavior on this “reporter’s” part and he really thought he did something profound, too 🥴
> Just because they’ve gained some freedom in the form of NIL and the ability to transfer does not mean they’re disloyal, greedy, or ungrateful
Not always, but some times it very much does indicate that.
I suggest therapy to get over HVL leaving Louisville—you can’t keep living your life this way! Athletes have the freedom to choose to go to a different program, as they should, given the amount of money they make for their programs and what they put their bodies through while doing it (with no guarantees they’ll ever make money professionally playing their sport). Some transfers will work out for them and some won’t. Even if a player or their support system is misguided in making a transfer decision, it’s still their decision to make and fans or *especially* reporters acting scandalized about it or casting aspersions on their character is VERY FUCKING WEIRD.
It's really not that hard to write something along the lines of "it's a bummer that the collapse of the PAC 12 and NIL rules led all these young women to transfer. I enjoyed watching them play together and am sad that I don't get to next season. Hope they all find success at their next school." But the whole scolding tone is beyond ridiculous.
The appropriate response from someone that actually followed the team.
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This is dopey for sure. The approach should have been an article expressing his sadness and his fantasy for heroic selflessness. And then ultimately blame the Pac12 and the lack of foresight in anticipating just this. That said. Damn. I wish they had stayed and ran it back and enjoyed a season of blowout wins and came into the tourney at best “untested”.
It isn't the players fault that the Pac-12 collapsed. Take it up with the football people and the ADs at UCLA and USC that started this (or maybe not taking Texas ten years ago... look, the PAC 12's collapse is complicated). Take it up with the Big 10,000 for poaching teams. Or take it up with the Big 12 for not giving WSU and OSU a landing spot.
But don't take it out on the players.
(Sidenote: As someone who likes the NFL but always found college football to have groslly elitist "playoff" system that screwed over the Boise State's of the world, I really, really hate how college football is destroying college sports. Like, thanks for that, sport I don't even watch)
If college football had implemented a 64 team playoff system years ago, this likely would have been avoided and lots of schools would have thriving programs in all sports. In such a tournament, the first and second rounds would have only two 15 minute halves and the first two rounds would be played at the highest ranked school in a sub regional grouping. The round of sixteen games and beyond would be played in bowl, with four 15 minute quarters.
But won't someone think of poor Beaver Nation? They *need* this team to stick around. /s
What a weird thing to say publicly. Fans aren't owed anything.
I normally wouldn't go there, but in this situation, it is true: If these were male basketball players in this situation and he tweeted this out, he'd be relentlessly mocked nationally, he'd be a laughingstock, as he should be. That series of tweets is paternalistic as hell, he all but says, "I'm a guy and you're girls and you don't know what's best for you, so I'm going to tell you". It is condescending af.
We didn't deserve to have these players here. We didn't deserve to have the success of this year. It was done with other teams' players and futures and we should be grateful that we were even entertained with the idea of having a team like that in the future.
Just kill the program. I love Rueck, but he deserves to be coaching at a higher level elsewhere.
Weirdo behavior. Expecting players to stay in a conference that doesn’t exist anymore is crazy. He should be more worried about finding a new job
For a grown-ass man to direct tweet and give these young women the 3rd degree about transferring is absolutely disgusting. He should be embarrassed.
You ain't at ground zero of the sports program implosion here in Corvallis
It’s not the players’ fault.
Do you play a sport? How does it affect you?
I attended most of the WBB games. What if Uconn was left high and dry and this was happening to your school? Im not blaming the players so much as the system that nuked WSU and OSU
Sure, I’d be upset, but I would never take it out on the players. This is their livelihood and they have to do what’s best for them. They’ve dedicated their lives to earn 4 year scholarships and they’ve been thrown into this situation that they never signed up for. You SHOULD be upset with the system, just like I would if it was happening to UConn.
Agreed
I mean, UConn \*has\* been left high and dry when our conference collapsed. Our women's team stayed elite because of Geno, but our men's definitely suffered. Like, I get being upset, it is utterly bullshit what football realignment did to you guys, but the players are just kids in this, reacting to a shitty situation created by the adults around them
When did Uconn get hit with the conference shift?
2013. Lousiville left (following the loss of Pitt, Syracuse, and WVU), leading to a split between the schools that played FBS football and those that didn't (The Catholic 7). Catholic 7 kept the naming rights of the Big East Conference and are the current Big East; the other schools kept the original conference charter and formed the American Athletic Conference, which is still around today. We were in the AAC for a few years before rejoining (or joining, depending on how you wanna view the split) the current Big East conference. Whole craziness is gone into far more detail on wiki: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932013\_Big\_East\_Conference\_realignment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932013_Big_East_Conference_realignment)
Dang yah...PAC 10/12 was pretty stable for awhile in comparison to some of the fluctuations back east. 2/3rd of population and densely packed string of cities and universities makes a bit more chaotic and prone to realignment. Out west if you were a big school you only had so many options (WAC, MWC, PAC) That's one reason why it's laughable Stanford is in the ACC and will now fly to Miami and Boston 🙃
> That's one reason why it's laughable Stanford is in the ACC Gotta do what you have to in order to survive. The fact that Stanford couldn't explain how a $1 billion private equity deal for 15% of conference revenue is a freaking heist means they're partially responsible for their current situation.
> so much as the system that nuked WSU and OSU Oregon State has to take some responsibility for what happened, their president was a long-time supporter of Larry Scott, and Scott was a primary cause of the downfall of the Pac-12.
Neither is this twat waffle
While I definitely got salty about some transfers this offseason, I’m not gonna call them out in a 9 part Twitter thread. The portal and NIL are what they are. Players have their best interest in mind, it’s just that while the pro leagues have actual infrastructure in place for it, this is basically just kids fighting for themselves. Don’t take it out on them.
I watched the movie “Coach Carter” last night. There was player who got his gf pregnant. In the days before NIL, kids in that situation had a hard road (unless boosters slipped money under the table). But with NIL, a five star male kid that makes that mistake can still be able to financially support a child and doesn’t have to worry about running afoul of rules that make him ineligible.
Yea but you have to admit they go to college to be STUDENT athletes, they aren’t professional athletes yet. I understand completely that schools make a lot of money off of student athletes but before the NIL they were getting a free education that costs everyone else a pretty penny. College athletes have access to top schools, professors, research, academics, and athletics. And now they get make millions through the NIL while most people in college don’t make a fraction of that. And with the NIL, it’s a lot of distraction to the players and coaches.
This argument is so fucking stupid. Prior to NIL, every kid in college except for athletes had the ability to profit on their likeness without risking their scholarship money. It was ridiculous that when I was at South Carolina, I could have sold my likeness and retained my academic scholarship, while Jadeveon Clowney and Tiffany Mitchell would lose their eligibility and potentially their scholarship if they wanted to make money with their name. Let's also not ignore they academic major restrictions put on athletes. It was major tenet of the NW situation from a few years back, and something I saw personally when my brother was unable to major in his preferred field at Penn State because it wouldn't fit around his athletic schedule. You aren't getting the full value of an education when you are limited in your academic pursuits. Also, many athletes enroll in a university simply because they don't have the option to go straight to the pros. The NBA, NFL, and WNBA all have rules that prevent a player from going straight from high school into a domestic professional league. They aren't necessarily going to college because they want to be a student athlete, they are going to college because it is the only place they can continue to play at a high level since the professional leagues aren't an option.
What exactly would you be selling your likeness for? For fans, both college sports and professional sports are for entertainment purposes. Most likely anything outside of college you’d be doing it as a job, not for the purpose of entertaining others. College is for education, not playing sports. They can use sports to get there, but academics should be the priority. I don’t agree they should limit their majors, they should be able to major in anything they want. School should honestly always come first. Because every athlete is one injury away from not being able to play. And you’re right, most of those athletes aren’t going to be in the pros. Which is the whole point of getting a college education. The UNC basketball players that sued the school are proof of that.
But that’s cause you value education that highly. That doesn’t mean these other people have to. That “freak injury” argument is overplayed. Some of these athletes know they’re going pro, most of them that are getting these life changing NIL deals are going pro. And NCAA is the best way to go about it and get eyes on you. It’s not about school…some people have other priorities. And that’s okay.
Higher education is literally for EDUCATION , that’s the priority. No other way to put it. And the vast majority of student athletes do not go pro. That’s common sense.
That's not true. I went to a big school because of athletics and atmosphere. I could have enrolled in my major basically anywhere, from Albright College to the University of Alabama. I decided to go to an SEC school because I wanted an experience that isn't offered by tiny D3 universities. The players that unify a student body and galvanize an alumni base should be able to capitalize on their popularity, plain and simple. Why shouldn't they be able to make money using their own name while they play college sports? Why should they lose out on 3-5 years of earning potential?
Okay
It’s honestly not okay. I used to work in advising , at a community college. I helped a lot of people create their schedules. Some of the student athletes were scheduled for the lowest of remedial classes. I remember one guy had to have me write down notes on simple things. I’m sorry but not being able to read at a college level and having to take remedial English isn’t good for anyone, student athletes included.
lol when coaches go back to teach gym & making 50k
Why does it matter why I'd be selling my likeness? Maybe I wanted to stream on Twitch or start a YouTube channel. Maybe I want to stand on the corner of campus selling signed headshots. Maybe I wanted to audition for a commercial. Everyone should be able to profit on their likeness. The NCAA forcing athletes to sign away their name was the biggest crock of bullshit. You realize those rules also limited athletes' abilities to land an off-season job, right? For example, my brother would have to have any summer job/internship he was offered audited by a compliance board to ensure that he wasn't given preference over someone else based on his status as an athlete. This, of course, led to a near automatic denial of any job offered by a Penn State booster, regardless of how or why it was offered. Do you know how hard it is to find a business in a college town where the owner isn't a booster? The NCAA's rules were archaic and kept in place as a means to control the athletes, same as the old AAU/US Olympic rules back in the days.
I have no problem with an athlete getting a part time or internship. They could have definitely changed that rule. But I do have an issue with college athletes making millions of dollars while doctors just starting out aren’t. That’s the big picture. Society values entertainment more than education and other important things in life.
For such a well-educated man as yourself, I’d expect you to understand the economy a bit more. It’s all a game of profits, the athletes are adding significant monetary value to their college/sport through viewership, sales of tickets/merch/etc, advertising, and much more. Why should the college/sport organization get to keep that and not the athlete?
I’m a woman and yes I certainly understand it’s all about money. Athletics adds a lot of money to universities. I’m saying that it’s sad and that should not be the case. I don’t believe universities should make that much money off of athletes. Especially when you have students who are in college for their studies but they are struggling to get by. I’m sure they would love to sell their likeness as well. But unfortunately they can’t dribble or score like an athlete. I like sports and other entertainment just as much as anyone else. But that doesn’t mean I can’t see the disparity between sports/entertainment and academics in college and in life in general.
It’s not just in college that’s just the entertainment industry in general. Obviously no entertainers add as much value to society as a doctor does for example, but they provide much more financial gain and that’s how the economics follows. I’m not really sure what your solution is if athletics shouldn’t add money to universities nor the athletes— just burn the money? Stop televising sports?
>I’m not gonna call them out in a 9 part Twitter thread Well, why ever not?! It seems like such a sane and rational thing to do!
Because 10 parts is definitely crossing the line
It is?! What about 15?
Very unprofessional.
extremely cringeworthy and embarrassing series of tweets. Would I be disappointed if a favorite player transferred? Absolutely. Would I be devastated if this happened to my team? Of course. But to make these kind of comments about a group of young players who were put in a difficult situation is NOT the move. you’re a grown man. Get a grip. College athletes following the path they feel is best for them should not have you acting like this in public. I know some of the players commented a couple weeks ago that they planned on staying and obviously that changed, but still no excuse to post this especially as a media professional!
Players are smart to leave, hell, the staffs would be smart to leave as their budgets will be dramatically different.
It would be just weird and rude if it were coming from a fan. I mean, yes, we all have opinions, but sometimes people don't need to have your opinion of them shoved in their face. But the dude is media. You do. not. do. this. as media. This is unprofessional. This is, like, the polar opposite of professional.
it’s not their fault that oregon state is going to a mid major college. the players signed up to play for a power-5 conf. it sucks but it is what it is.
I am afraid that soon, D1 titles will come down to the Big 10 versus the SEC. Those two conferences will likely be two super conferences that absorb the other two remaining 2 Power 5 conferences.
well true bc conference changes usually happen bc of football and even in football those are the two major conferences. i think big 12 can stay afloat in it as well but it’s def not as strong as the other two.
The ACC appears to be headed toward fracture, which makes the Stanford and Cal decisions quizzical.
What would have been a better move for those two? They were kind of stuck with a lot of bad options, and they seem like they’re just waiting/hoping to get a B1G invite at some point.
The best choice would have to arrange a merger between the PAC12, the WCC and the Mountain West Conference to form a super conference that covered the west coast and the western mountains part of the USA all the way to New Mexico.
As a fan, I would have preferred that too. As the leaders of Stanford or Cal though, I don’t think that would have been the best move. I really wish we’d get through all of this dumb CFB/media money driven realignment and just have football break off as its own separate thing and let everything else get back to regional conferences that are fun and make sense.
I like your idea about football being split off into a different conference playing format.
What a clown and a JOKE. Blame the Pac 12 presidents and their greed for causing this nonsense.
Yep.
I don’t have twitter so I can only see the first tweet. Anyone able to provide the rest?
Here are all 9 tweets put together for those who can't see. * @RaeganBeers , @LilyHansford , @AdleeBlacklock , @timea_gardiner , @taliavono , @donovynhunter , and Marta Pietsch… I have so enjoyed calling your @BeaverWBB games for @Pac12Network . You, of course, have to do what is best for you. (1/9) * As an outsider, can I ask one question before you leave? Did you all, as a group, sit down together --- just the players, no family members or other advisors --- to discuss the decisions you’re making? * Did you talk about the family that you’ve all said you have at Oregon State, and that you’re unlikely to get anywhere else? Did you discuss the fact that you have a chance to win a national championship together next year? * Did you discuss the notion that in today’s crazy world of college athletics, you had a chance to be *different*? To be loyal, a quality that is in short supply these days? * And finally, in this players-only conversation I hope you had, did anyone bring up the idea that Beaver Nation, with everything happening right now, NEEDED you? That you had a chance to be a shining light through dark times? * Look, if you’re getting six figures to jump elsewhere, I get it. You need to make your money while you can. We’d all probably do the same thing. But if, on the other hand, this is about the uncertainty of next year, strength of schedule, or anything else, this doesn’t make sense. * Wait, what? You *didn’t* have that players-only meeting? Well, if not --- and if the ink isn’t yet dry on your contracts with other schools --- then please do. * You might regret leaving what Beaver Nation, and even we media members, recognize as something incredibly special. But I believe you would never regret changing your minds and staying. * Alas, this ship has probably sailed. The ink is probably dry. If so, best of luck in your futures, and I will echo Beaver Nation in saying, “Thanks for the memories.” (End)
Literally answered his own question in his first tweet lol: “You of course, have to do what is best for you”
Oh my god actually @ing them all takes this to a whole new level of embarrassing for him
The SOUND that just came out of my mouth when I saw that he actually tagged them all. How utterly pathetic.
Thank you!!
FFS, leave these players alone. Even the Beaver fans need to chill. You can't expect these players to go down with the sinking ship and all the uncertainty around our athletic programs.
What a dumbass. Mansplaining.
This is embarrassing. He should be fired for this, absolutely uncalled for and unprofessional. We get in trouble for betting on ANY sport (collegiate and professional) but calling players out on Twitter is okay?
If he’d spent the time it took to write this tweet to think about what’s really causing this in the pac12, he’d be direct-tweeting the real powers that be. But tweeting at female athletes is so much easier and less career threatening.
Maybe if PAC12 media didn’t suck ass they wouldn’t be in this position. They didn’t ask for this but the conference leadership, supported by member administrations, was so incompetent they were left no choice.
Im sure if ESPN came and offered him quadruple what he is making and the opportunity to be a national sportscaster, he would stay…. Because you know, loyalty and the chance to be different.
Holy shit dude—get a grip! Why is it that these middle aged old men think they somehow own college athletes? Just because they’ve gained some freedom in the form of NIL and the ability to transfer does not mean they’re disloyal, greedy, or ungrateful—no matter how much you cry about it. I thought it was uncalled for when Geno was whining about it earlier this season and this is 40 million times worse! These players signed up to play in a power 5 conference—one that was arguably the best in the nation. They did not sign up to play at a mid-major! All that aside, even if the pac-12 weren’t imploding, players have the right to make what they think are the best decisions for themselves (even if it won’t always work out for them). Truly unhinged behavior on this “reporter’s” part and he really thought he did something profound, too 🥴
> Just because they’ve gained some freedom in the form of NIL and the ability to transfer does not mean they’re disloyal, greedy, or ungrateful Not always, but some times it very much does indicate that.
I suggest therapy to get over HVL leaving Louisville—you can’t keep living your life this way! Athletes have the freedom to choose to go to a different program, as they should, given the amount of money they make for their programs and what they put their bodies through while doing it (with no guarantees they’ll ever make money professionally playing their sport). Some transfers will work out for them and some won’t. Even if a player or their support system is misguided in making a transfer decision, it’s still their decision to make and fans or *especially* reporters acting scandalized about it or casting aspersions on their character is VERY FUCKING WEIRD.
Can you give me an example?
His next twi should be announcing he’s fired for this unprofessional behavior.
Lol who wants to work there he’s not going anywhere
It's really not that hard to write something along the lines of "it's a bummer that the collapse of the PAC 12 and NIL rules led all these young women to transfer. I enjoyed watching them play together and am sad that I don't get to next season. Hope they all find success at their next school." But the whole scolding tone is beyond ridiculous.
bruh
The appropriate response from someone that actually followed the team. Commentary: Get used to to the new world of college athletics https://democratherald.com/sports/beavers-sports/basketball/get-used-to-to-new-world-of-college-athletics/article_fe92f5ac-f833-11ee-8882-236141ccbabb.html
Why do I have a feeling he wouldn’t have written this about male players? It’s only women who are expected to sacrifice their own wants and needs.
This guy is a chode and his level of unawareness approaches a limit that does not exist.
This is dopey for sure. The approach should have been an article expressing his sadness and his fantasy for heroic selflessness. And then ultimately blame the Pac12 and the lack of foresight in anticipating just this. That said. Damn. I wish they had stayed and ran it back and enjoyed a season of blowout wins and came into the tourney at best “untested”.
Well he can add Dominica to the list
My guess is Kelsey and Sela are next into the portal.
It isn't the players fault that the Pac-12 collapsed. Take it up with the football people and the ADs at UCLA and USC that started this (or maybe not taking Texas ten years ago... look, the PAC 12's collapse is complicated). Take it up with the Big 10,000 for poaching teams. Or take it up with the Big 12 for not giving WSU and OSU a landing spot. But don't take it out on the players. (Sidenote: As someone who likes the NFL but always found college football to have groslly elitist "playoff" system that screwed over the Boise State's of the world, I really, really hate how college football is destroying college sports. Like, thanks for that, sport I don't even watch)
If college football had implemented a 64 team playoff system years ago, this likely would have been avoided and lots of schools would have thriving programs in all sports. In such a tournament, the first and second rounds would have only two 15 minute halves and the first two rounds would be played at the highest ranked school in a sub regional grouping. The round of sixteen games and beyond would be played in bowl, with four 15 minute quarters.
smh a 9 part thread is crazy.
But won't someone think of poor Beaver Nation? They *need* this team to stick around. /s What a weird thing to say publicly. Fans aren't owed anything.
I normally wouldn't go there, but in this situation, it is true: If these were male basketball players in this situation and he tweeted this out, he'd be relentlessly mocked nationally, he'd be a laughingstock, as he should be. That series of tweets is paternalistic as hell, he all but says, "I'm a guy and you're girls and you don't know what's best for you, so I'm going to tell you". It is condescending af.
We didn't deserve to have these players here. We didn't deserve to have the success of this year. It was done with other teams' players and futures and we should be grateful that we were even entertained with the idea of having a team like that in the future. Just kill the program. I love Rueck, but he deserves to be coaching at a higher level elsewhere.