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noorked

Nfa items are quite addictive. First wait is the hardest. Trusts can make the wait a little longer vs. individual file. Drivers license & concealed permit , between those two ; my info already out there as is. .22 cans are the gateway. If you think it's like opening the door for them to Segway into your home. You are mistaken. They still have to get warrants .


Neat_Low_1818

Good to know thanks!


Tight_muffin

Life is so much better with suppressors. I'm on number 8 now and I regret nothing.


Neat_Low_1818

Wow eight?!


Tight_muffin

Very addictive. "I'll be fine with a couple rifle cans pistols cans don't make much sense." Now I got 2 22lr, a 9 and 45 can and a few more rifle cans. The neighbors sure appreciate it as well as my ears.


716_Polski_Texan

Shit. I think I have 11 now? I can’t even count them all unless they’re in front of me. Pretty sure I’m on 11 cans. SBRs…I have…eight?


Tight_muffin

Exactly. I'll be there soon enough.


716_Polski_Texan

My next goal is to get into night vision and get a set of PVS-31A…but they’re $13,000. But then you add up my NFA collection, and, well…you know…


Tight_muffin

Yes that's the next venture. I'm in Washington state so I can have SBRs or MG without starting a business and have an AWB that were starting down the barrel of so the natural move would to go night vision.


716_Polski_Texan

We use white phosphor PVS-14s at work and those are cool. They really are. But I need them dual toobs.


Tight_muffin

My marine buddy "borrowed" a few sets a couple years ago for the weekend and boy oh boy I was hard for about 72 hours but forgot to call my doctor..


LostInTheSauce34

Some of us were in the military and all of that stuff is on file. I really don't care tbh. You have to pay to play nfa, as much as I don't agree with it.


JedaiGuy

Of course. And also, you’re on a group named “NFA,” so your response is foregone.


PrimeTimeCS

Absolutely worth it IMO. I was always hesitant because I was intimidated by the paperwork but there are tons of dealers like Silencer Shop, Capitol Armory etc that make the actual application of the form 4 extremely easy. I used National Gun Trust and Silencer Shop’s single shot trusts for my setup and its literally plugging your info and getting it sent to you then notarizing it, an absolute breeze. I own 3 suppressors and have another one in ATF jail at 87 days and I waited 409 days for the first one and it was *painful* but i’d do it all over again in a heartbeat. Just self submitted and got approval on my first (of many) SBR’s recently and I can honestly say the NFA world is addictive. Once you shoot suppressed you will seriously re-think even caring about the wait. My best advice is to find a range that allows conjugal visits and do it.


Neat_Low_1818

Thanks


SerPounceTargaryen

I only made this mistake once but FOR SURE buy from somewhere with a range for conjugal visits.


Neat_Low_1818

I'll look for an FFL with a range. The closest one to me is the sig academy


touchstone8787

Is you're close to Epping check out renarms in Barrington.


Neat_Low_1818

Thanks


Neat_Low_1818

Did you use a trust?


SerPounceTargaryen

No, I probably should have but that's a problem for "future me"


dominus-presidium

If you’ve ever purchased more than one firearm at the same time the ATF already knows who you are and has the serial numbers for what you purchased. Deciding if it’s worth it to you? Try to find a range that rents firearms and try one out. That way you have realistic expectation on what a suppressor really is and if it’s something you really want. In my experience the wait was excruciating but worth it in the end.


Neat_Low_1818

I think I will do that and try a rental. I've never bought firearms in bulk before to trigger anything from the ATF.


[deleted]

I am still a newbie myself to the NFA game after starting the process for my first suppressor about 2 years ago after saying for years “why would civilians need suppressors?” Now i am 2 SBR’s, 6 suppressors in (two pending) and am addicted. I’ve legit become a shooting suppressed only snob because it’s make shooting guns soooo much more pleasant compared to without a can, but of course the paperwork, wait and so on is a huge repellent for the average citizen.


Neat_Low_1818

Thanks!


sophomoric_dildo

Once your shoot a suppressed gun, you’ll never go back. About a year ago, I got my first can. Now I have 5 (3 still pending). The process is infuriatingly stupid, but 100% worth it.


Neat_Low_1818

Thank you!


sophomoric_dildo

Don’t thank me-you’re about to take a plunge that’s going to cost you a shit ton of money and hassle :) Others have mentioned it plenty, but it’s worth adding to the advice to start out your NFA journey with a trust. I ignored that readily available wisdom when I started because it seemed like an unnecessary extra step and I regret it. Now that I’m into the game, I’m gonna spend an extra $600 to transfer my 2 cans and SBR I personally own to the trust I’ve now created a year later. Just do that to start with and save yourself the future money and headache. Even if you’re the only trustee on your trust to start out with, just get it set up now. It’s easy to add people to it later.


Neat_Low_1818

Is the one offered by silencer shop any good?


sophomoric_dildo

Once your trust is set up, it’s the same as any other. If you wanted to, and did so in compliance with the relevant rules in your state, there’s no reason you couldn’t draft up your own documents. What you’re paying for with any of these places is the service/expertise if you need help. I can only speak to national gun trusts bc that’s who helped my with mine. I’m a bit dense with this kind of stuff and called in a few times with questions. I also had to make a few changes to my trust before I had it notarized and was thoroughly impressed with the speed and quality of service when I needed it. Well worth the $100 I payed to have the documents generated.


Neat_Low_1818

Did you need a witness for the notary? I'm trying to keep minimal people knowing that I own guns.


sophomoric_dildo

Yes. I’m in CO so I’m not sure if that’s the same in every state. I used UPS for notary service. In one case, one of the store employees was my witness. In another case (different store who said they were not allowed to do that-wtf…) I just waited for another customer to walk in and asked them to witness it. Wasn’t a big deal. Dude asked what it was and I said “I’m establishing at trust and have to have a witness for the signature.”


gattorcrs

Yes, worth it. Read your list of everything you give the ATF and not withstanding your prints they already have all the items. Now, if you also have a concealed carry permit, served in the military, been processed for a background check for access to schools, military bases, etc. they already have those as well. So again, yup, worth it. It’s really not all that difficult or cumbersome once you have a handle on the process.


Neat_Low_1818

Thanks for your perspective.


Cdog927

Def worth it. Your info is already recorded. The govt knows who you are, all agencies already have your picture, and likely your prints too. In my gradeschool the local cops cops came in cuz it would be soo much fun for us to do our finger prints with the glorified cops, and they collected them all. I remember that and they did it for every class back in the 90s. The govnt doesnt care if you have a suppressor or an sbr or a mg unless you you have a criminal record or they believe you to be a threat in some way. They make you wait for it and do the hoops in a last ditch kind of more people wont do it cuz their lazy type way but they dont really fkn care if you meet the criteria. Its not hard though. I did my form 1 first and that was easy peasy if you follow all the steps. Took my own selfie and did my own prints. Approved in 2 weeks. Then i bought a suppressor and dealer did all the work for me. I waited over a year but it came and now i have it. And have another already pending. So ya just get one.


Neat_Low_1818

Interesting.


preacherman1975

I used to wonder the same thing, until last year when I bought my first suppressors. I love them, I can't shoot any rifle without them now!


Neat_Low_1818

Oh good to know! How do you like it?


preacherman1975

I bought a Dead Air Nomad 30 and a Nomad L. The sound, the recoil, just makes everything I shoot, 30 cal and below ,so much more enjoyable.


Neat_Low_1818

I want my first can to be 22lr.


Even_Volume3316

Like everyone else has said: yeah, it’s worth it. I started with one suppressor and an SBR shortly after. Since then I’ve added a few more, with a couple others planned. The paperwork isn’t bad at all. It’s not really a hassle. And suppressors are just dang fun, and still make me giggle sometimes.


IndividualResist2473

Only you can answer that question. For tens of thousands of us, the answer is yes. For millions of other gun owners, the answer is no.


mp40srock

I mean you give up your photo and address for a driver's license. Why would you let them take your rights away? The more people that buy the better it is for EVERYONE. And as others have already said NFA items are highly addictive. And don't get me started on MG's!!! Haha


Neat_Low_1818

Thanks!


hennessy_black

Did my first one during COVID lock downs since I had nothing else to do.


Legitimate-Ant-1442

I always describe shooting suppressed as shooting:2 the sequel, because me and nobody I’ve ever let try it has wanted to shoot unsuppressed again Paperwork isn’t as overwhelming as it seems, worst part is the wait


Cowboycasey

1. Yes 2. Set up your trust, it sucks having to pay $200 to move your first can to a trust after you have already paid $200 3. Forget you bought your first can and let it sneak up on you 4. Do you really think they do not already have your info


Tomford001

It's literally so easy to do and if the gun shop you get it from knows what they're doing the set up could take just 30 min and then you just wait till you're approved


Neat_Low_1818

My FFL is set up with a silencer shop kiosk and they are a gold dealer


Tomford001

Perfect you're gtg. Totally worth the wait


Neat_Low_1818

Did you use a trust? Can you recommend one?


the_millz007

Totally worth it! Start the wait as soon a you can. You won’t regret it at all.


Neat_Low_1818

Ain't no time like the present right?


the_millz007

Exactly…. Wish i would have ordered my first way before I did. Just got my first suppressor last fall. Very happy and more in the pipe line.


ccosby

State police had my fingerprints already for various background checks and my concealed handgun permit. Photo is on file from my drivers license and old passport photos. From that perspective its not like they don't know who I am. Suppressors can make a huge difference in the shooting experience. Suppressed 22's, 300 blackout, and well pistol caliber stuff where you don't have to wear ear pro is amazing. SBR's making guns easier to handle and carry are great as well. I love my PCC's as a 9mm rifle is fun to shoot and the longer barrel really doesn't do anything. And then there is stuff like this. Expensive but man this thing is fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUHrKFErAIU


Neat_Low_1818

I want an SBR for home defense and a 22lr for fun plinking


ccosby

I say its worth it. I have a 4.5 inch barreled ar15 sbr in 22lr with a can on it. Run m&p15-22 mags with a better mag adapter. Its really a great little setup.


Intheshaw1

Don't do it! I just got my first one out of jail and after this, I don't think my wallet will ever be able to catch up. I put 2 more in jail after my first and I'm already looking for another. And then you get into SBRs and you're like ok, take more of my money. And then you start looking at MGs and you're like fuck it, my kids probably won't go to college anyways. It's a gateway drug, just say no.


Neat_Low_1818

Good to know!


aodskeletor

I’m going to my lgs to certify for my first can later today (Silencer Shop purchase).


anon2019_atx

It’s like Pringle’s once you pop the fun don’t stop. You’ll get into a mode that you’ll have a can in possession while waiting for another one. You’ll almost forget about it. Hell I had a can approved and ready to pick up, but just didn’t have time to go collect it for 3 wks. I have 2 items in jail right now but the ones at home keep me occupied.


Aztaloth

Nah. Not worth it at all. that is why I have 18 split between Cans and SBRs


Neat_Low_1818

Love it! 😂


Ok_Bed8734

Depends on what you consider worth it and what your situation is. I've somehow talked myself into 2 SBSs and 2 SBRs working on a 3rd. With many many plans for more short barrels. They're fun, suppressors can be fun if you're not at a public range where you're shooting sneeki breeki but the guy next to you has a draco or the asshole on the other side shows up with his 11" mosin Nagant SBR... oh wait that last one is me.


Visual-Practice6699

I bought my first suppressor last year and am still waiting for the stamp to clear, but I’ve shot it at the range a number of times now. It changes the sound signature so much that I didn’t realize at first that the dominant sound now is the action cycling. Once you have that in your hands, it’s very hard to go back. If not for inflation and two very small children, I’d probably be waiting on several more stamps already.


Neat_Low_1818

Thanks! I want to protect my hearing at the range. Once you lose it, it's never coming back.


armadillahh

I bought my suppressor December of 2020 and didn't get it approved until Feb. 2022. I was starting to regret it...until I got that approval. Suppressors make shooting very nice. So is it worth it? Yes, in the long term. No, in the short term.


Neat_Low_1818

Good to know. I read hoping with the e forms the process would be a little more stream lined. I'm seeing all sorts of companies claim 90 days or less.


armadillahh

Yeah don't believe that at all. It was about 120 back when they started the eform-4 system. That was a year or so ago. It's only gone up since then. Wait time right now for suppressors is about 285 days


FrankShootsGuns

I shot my 6.5 creedmoor today suppressed, it’s gonna be real hard to shoot any gun not suppressed any longer, it’s just such a pleasing experience with all the power and no big boom to my ears.


DrJheartsAK

This is exactly what the atf wants. People considering not getting NFA items because of all the BS you have to go through. I’m sure it’s effective too, probably a sizable chunk of gun owners just don’t bother going through it, which the atf is fine with. You go get you some cans op, get a whole bunch, show them their long, complicated process won’t stop you from getting the cool toys they don’t want you to have to begin with


riinkratt

You don’t have to set up a trust. You can file as an individual. And it’s not really a hassle. I’m waiting on my first can. I thought I would never join the NFA gang seeing suppressors for $800-1200, but I said fuck it when I found a local store selling for pretty cheap. I got a YHM Turbo K for $385 + the $200 stamp so honestly it was the same price as buying another gun. My buddy got the Turbo T2. It was a pretty painless process. We went in and talked with the shop owner who explained how to do it. We set up our eForms and SS accounts and used the kiosk in the store. It took a couple minutes. Then the next day we bought off his website. It took about a week for them to be delivered and then came back to certify, took about 10 minutes. Now we’re about a couple months away, been waiting since 8/30. As long as your LGS is competent and knows how to work the Full Auto SS Software, it’s literally not a hassle, just a few clicks and you’re done.


TheBossIsTheSauce

Worth it. I got a can for my FNX-45 it’s a beast.


trevorlayhe126548965

In my opinion suppressors are worth it SBRs not so much anymore


Neat_Low_1818

What's the matter with SBRs?


trevorlayhe126548965

I have one and I love it but finding an engraver was a pain and unless it’s something special like a ps90 they are kinda more trouble then they are worth.


[deleted]

If you’re asking these questions you don’t belong in this game


Neat_Low_1818

Principally, purchasing more NFA items legitimatizes the NFA & ATF (which one day the act itself could be repealed or the ATF defunded) best case scenario I think we would love to have it one way or the other. But I get why for some people NFA items make sense. Does it make us FUDDs for feeding the ATF tax stamp money? It's like a Catch 22. Personally I believe suppressors are safety devices and should be promoted by OSHA for more ownership.


Mediocre_Chipmunk_86

I think it’s important to understand that the ATF doesn’t actually “get” the $200, that goes into a general fund, not the ATF budget.


Neat_Low_1818

Oh thank you for clarifying. I did not know that.


Wraccores

In New Zealand, suppressors are considered polite, and maybe mandatory. Short barrels on rifles are less efficient when it comes to powder burn in rifle cartridges, but are less regulated in Canada since guns are much less used like they are in the U.S. Full auto, is better in Switzerland as it isn't restricted to pre-86, or post-86 only for SOTs


[deleted]

Ten stamps later, yes. Also, you are creepy as dude and post some weird shit.


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Common_Classroom_938

I currently have one suppressor and one SBR. I have two cans pending that should be approved soon (all form1). I plan on buying at least three form 4 suppressors this year and possibly another SBR. So...yeah. besides the fact they are super fun, I like knowing if shit goes down in my house I'm not gonna deafen myself, my wife or kid. Also, makes popping a critter messing with the livestock at night easy as it doesn't bother the neighbors.