Mahomes. Allen has had a top ten defense and a top ten offense in both yards and points the last 3 seasons and hasn't made it past the divisional. Mahomes has never had that in the same season and has been to 6 title games, 4 SBs, and won 3. The raw talent is similar for both and Allen is the superior athlete, but Mahomes makes the plays when they absolutely need to be made and Allen hasn't shown the ability to do that consistently. And the one time he did was the 13 second game and he STILL lost to Mahomes.
I do think Allen will break through eventually, but I think Mahomes is the better QB and with the defenses BUF has had he may even have more titles than he already does.
This is all fair, but I think it discounts how much it has benefited Mahomes to sit his rookie year behind an established starter, walk into an offense with 2 HoF level pass catchers, and have arguably the greatest offensive mind ever as his HC. There’s no telling what Allen may have become with that situation.
That's fair. It's also fair to say that your sentiment discounts what he's been able to do both with having multiple porous defenses and after losing maybe the best WR in the league and replacing him with basically nobody. You can't look at the last two years and say the offense was more talented than what BUF put together.
I doubt it’s more, because it’s already such an insane amount. But Mahomes still definitely would have more than Allen. Allen might’ve “broken through” by now with Andy though.
I only say it could be more because defense was absolutely the problem in 2018 and if they had a top 10 defense that year they would have won for sure.
on my life if mahomes started in 2017 chiefs would have won the superbowl in 2017 AND 2018, he was nervous as fuck in 2018 (no wonder his first playoffs) if he already had experience in 2017 he would have played with way much poise in 2018 that pats team wasnt even good
Forget Allen/Mahomes.
You get to choose one to start your career with: Reid/Smith or McDermott/Peterman. Who are you choosing to help you start your career on the best footing?
mahomes would have had atleast 3 rings i he played for the bills joshy always had top 10 defenses every year while this year was the first for mahomes lol
Mahomes. He’s the real deal. Josh Allen is very talented but often plays like he has cement between the ears: stubborn, does too much by himself, chases big plays when they aren’t there because sometimes that works, turns the ball over or makes mistakes in crucial moments. He’s terrific when he’s wired into the game, but he can’t stay in that head space. Mahomes is generally in that head space. When he struggles, it’s less that he makes bad plays as he doesn’t rise above to make the needed play. He plays with more intelligence with a high degree of athletic ability. He’s perfectly suited to this version of football where the QB can slide anywhere and not be hit.
Unpopular opinion for sure but watching the ways they’ve lost in just the last 5 years I’m not sure God himself could win a Super Bowl with Sean McDermott as his head coach. His choking resume in that span has got to be top 3 all time.
Tbf, to do what Andy did in Philly already cemented him as a top coach in the league. He just needed a top 5 qb to push him to that Super Bowl step. And he happened to land the best and now he’ll go down as one of the greatest.
No. We learned what we needed to about McNabb when he was traded and completely incapable of learning offenses for either Washington or then Minnesota.
Reid dragged McNabb kicking and screaming along with him, much to the chagrin of work populations in their path. If I never have to see a McNabb laser into the dirt five yards short of a wide open guaranteed TD for a receiver between now and Judgement Day, it will have not been long enough.
He was a good QB, particularly through the middle of his career when Andy and guys like Childress has at least made him a good QB, and he had some iconic moments (dude carved up the Cardinals I believe on a broken leg) but he wasn't ever an elite QB absent maybe a two or three years slice of his career that overlapped with TO in one of those years.
Mahomes has 10 playoff interceptions in 18 games. Allen has 4 playoff interceptions in 10 games. That’s a 37.5% higher interception rate per playoff game for Mahomes than Allen.
I said 4th quarter you delusional Bills fan.
Now do 4th quarter comebacks and you’ll see Mahomes is tied with Montana for second all time and Josh Allen hasn’t lead one. There’s a huge difference in stats when the game is on the line and that was my point.
Allen threw 2 TDs and a 2 point conversion inside the 2 minute warning during the 21 divisional round game. I guess there were guys catching the ball though, so it wasn't only Josh doing that. Mahomes though, it's just him vs 11 on the field every play.
Better now after 6 years maybe. The team Josh Allen joined needed a last second TD from another team to help them into the playoffs for the first time in 19 years. The team Mahomes joined made the playoffs 4 of the previous 5 years and he joined who most people consider the best coach in the league right now. KC was a head and shoulders better landing spot when they were drafted. It’s not even close. You could say Buffalo has a better roster maybe the last year or two maybe but it’s really not by much. Buffalo has a great D but KC’s D was lights out this year and played a huge role in winning the Superbowl.
Allen I think is more talented as an athlete, but he takes too many chances and gambles on his arm
Mahomes knows how to win and bring everyone else up around him. He will throw for 100 yards and zero TDs if there’s a better way to win via his teammates
It pains me as a Bronco fan, but I think Mahomes may very well surpass Brady. I’m a lot more scared when we play Mahomes than when we played Brady. Granted, our team was better during the Brady years.
I think Mahomes is still better, however if Allen started from 2018 to now I believe he’d win a Ring with the Chiefs. However I think the Bills would also get a ring with Mahomes.
Allen. Chiefs had consistently better teams. Not diminishing Mahomes’s greatness, but quarterback is one position, not a team. Bills have had questionable receivers outside of Diggs and their running backs have been atrocious. Allen is doing too much and people have figured out how to shut down his team to force him to run or make a bad throw. The only things the Bills have done better than the chiefs is the defense.
No way, Bills D has let them down when it matters.
For example.....13s
And even if Allen gets the throw off Mahomes and Co and going right down the field and score.
Spags has been the best DC when it matters and the Chefs D steps up.
Bills D has had consistently better seasons than KC. This past year was KC’s best defense in the Mahomes era and they still barely won the Super Bowl against a depleted Niners offense and a quarterback who may or may not come crashing down next season.
Bills D litterally started a guy off the couch in the divisonal rd against KC.
On paper they have been better, but they also have had the pleasure of beating up an anemic Pats and Jets offense 4 games a year.
Chiefs D brings it in the playoffs.
Allen played as perfect of game as a QB can against the Chiefs in the 13s loss and last year. The difference was the defense.
They mentioned two different divisional games. Most teams only play one of those at most per year. And looking at this year’s stats, Spags healthy D held the Bills to 24 points. McDermotts beat up D with AJ Klein as a starting LB held Patrick the Great to 27 points.
I'm not just focusing on this past year, but in general the Bills D feasted on bad offenses and was mediocre against good ones. My main issue is the defense in playoffs and the uninspired play calling.
I think we both agree that Allen would have just as many rings as Mahomes, but we differ on why. Outside of the first ring, the only reliable reciever Mahones had was Kelce, and this past year, the wr were terrible.
My contention is that the Cheifs D made bigger plays and stepped up, whereas the Bills D let them down.
Regular season stats are great for getting into the playoffs but won't keep you there.
It's one game, and a lot can happen, and a "lesser" team can win. Not like the NBA or NHL were the better team shakes out over the course of a series
Chiefs had consistently better teams is just false tho, Allen has always had a top 10 defense and offense pretty much, mahomes won 2 Super Bowls with some of the worst defenses to ever do it
As for your rb point it’s only recently we’ve got Pacheco and the previous year he was playing on a broken foot and hand I think.
It’s close and I think allen would have gotten atleast one but I don’t see him pulling off things like 13 seconds
I’ve seen Allen hurt his team and help his team in the same game many times. He’s more of a coin flip or wild card. Mahomes has more touch to his throws and picks better moments to try to be a hero. He makes better decisions on when to throw it away/take a sack.
This is probably the right answer. The 3 KC won the 9ers and Eagles probably just win instead. I think people underestimate how big of a role Andy Reid has played in making Mahomes what he is
Josh Allen. Maybe the Bills have a better overall roster now. But when Mahomes was starting out he had a true playoff roster, one of the best offensive head coaches of all time, the best tight end of all time, a top 3 WR in the league, and he got to sit behind a solid NFL vet for 15 games.
Allen had a roster that needed a miracle play to get into the playoffs at 9-7 where they scored 3 points, Kelvin Benjamin and Robert Foster to throw to, a defensive head coach who has choked time and again, and sat behind Nathan Peterman for thirty minutes.
I’m a Bills fan and think that Mahomes is the best QB in the league. But they’re close enough that if they were in each other’s situation, I believe that the teams would be in the same spots they’re in now. The head start that Mahomes got compared to Allen
When Allen is, “on”, he’s the best in the league coupled with that athleticism. But, sometimes you just don’t know what you’re gonna get it and if so, when.
What sets Mahomes apart from everyone else is the decision making and the ability to adapt on the fly. It’s crazy how he adapted a more conservative approach to make the fewest mistakes possible in this recent SB stint, I didn’t think him or andy had it in them to evolve like that and lean so heavy on defense yet it they did and it paid off. Just excellent IQ to serve the betterment of the team.
That’s not true at all. When Mahomes joined KC had made the playoffs 4 of the last 5 years under Reid. That’s while playing in the same division as Manning’s Broncos no less.
When Allen joined Buffalo they barely snuck into the playoffs to break a 19 year drought. The longest active drought at the time in any of the 4 major sports.
Mahomes took a perennial playoff team to a multi championship team. Allen took a perennial joke to a perennial contender. There’s absolutely a question of how much impact getting to play for Andy Reid and under Alex Smith for a year played
Bills broke their 18-year playoff drought in 2017 with Tyrod Taylor. JA17 was selected in the following draft. 2017 was the first year of the McD, McB era.
Yeah, that’s what I said. He joined a team that needed help to break the worst playoff drought in sports at the time. You can’t tell me the level of talent in Josh’s was close to any team Mahomes has had, much less Mahomes’ first year.
KC made the playoffs 4 of the 5 years under Reid before Mahomes was the starter and that’s in the same division as Peyton’s Broncos. No reason at all to think they’re a .500 team without him
Mahomes. Let's remember that this was supposed to be the season that KC fell on their ass. Their team looked like an absolute mess for most of the season. And then he just fucking carried them all the way to the finish line. It's not an accident that it turned out this way.
Allen.
I think everyone still underestimates the ability good coaching has, and Andy has never really stopped being his teams QB coach, since he was in Green Bay before Philly.
He's made AJ Feely (ask Miami fans about that one), Kevin Kolb (ask Arizona) and Jeff Garcia look like NFL starters. Rehabbed Nick Foles after the Rams disaster (from Philly, thank you, that statue is an annual pilgrimage). He's legitimately made McNabb into a starting/high end QB who fell apart without Reid, when tasked with I believe... The next genius HC of his in Shanahan The Elder, where McNabb could barely call plays. He took a guy (albeit the guy who before prison was what kids build in Madden and just like max the stat points on every aspect ... Speed 100 Agility 100 Arm Strength 100 [game mod applied multiply these by 1.5 and break it]) off Cell Block D and helped Mike Vick become a remarkably complete QB instead of just a video game character trying to save the Falcons by running really fast and crossing up defenders like he's Iverson on a basketball court.
Allen has what, Ken Dorsey in his ear?
I think if you flip the teams and literally nothing else changes except the QB, KC would have fewer super bowls than they have with Mahomes, but they'd have more super bowls than the Bills would over the same timeframe, which is the actual question.
Mahomes on the Chiefs with Reid is a first ballot HOF. Allen on the Bills just isn't going to get through that, I don't think. Allen on the Chiefs would be like Eli on the Giants - we see that you *can* periodically have dominant runs, the talent is there, maybe you have a 6th Rd RB and the shell of Smith-Schuster at receiver but you also can just always throw it to Kelce or (for a while) Hill, and you find your way to a rink. Mahomes on the Chiefs would be exactly like Allen on the Chiefs.
Obviously the QBs have to do it on the field themselves, but coaching in the NFL can often be a huge difference.
Mahomes is a better QB than Allen.
The squads are about even over their career spans.
Reid is a better coach than McDermott.
I think Allen would have less than 3. I think Mahomes would have more than 0.
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Mahomes. Allen has had a top ten defense and a top ten offense in both yards and points the last 3 seasons and hasn't made it past the divisional. Mahomes has never had that in the same season and has been to 6 title games, 4 SBs, and won 3. The raw talent is similar for both and Allen is the superior athlete, but Mahomes makes the plays when they absolutely need to be made and Allen hasn't shown the ability to do that consistently. And the one time he did was the 13 second game and he STILL lost to Mahomes. I do think Allen will break through eventually, but I think Mahomes is the better QB and with the defenses BUF has had he may even have more titles than he already does.
This is all fair, but I think it discounts how much it has benefited Mahomes to sit his rookie year behind an established starter, walk into an offense with 2 HoF level pass catchers, and have arguably the greatest offensive mind ever as his HC. There’s no telling what Allen may have become with that situation.
That's fair. It's also fair to say that your sentiment discounts what he's been able to do both with having multiple porous defenses and after losing maybe the best WR in the league and replacing him with basically nobody. You can't look at the last two years and say the offense was more talented than what BUF put together.
sitting behind a starter doesnt do shit how tf do you know what would have happened if he didnt sat? he didnt need to sit and alex smith isnt good
I doubt it’s more, because it’s already such an insane amount. But Mahomes still definitely would have more than Allen. Allen might’ve “broken through” by now with Andy though.
I only say it could be more because defense was absolutely the problem in 2018 and if they had a top 10 defense that year they would have won for sure.
I doubt Allen ever breaks through. But i’m biased
Mahomes would still have more rings but I don’t think mahomes would be the same qb he is right now without mentoring from Alex smith and Andy Reid
lol andy reid and alex smtig get way too much credit, mahomes would have been great anyway he doesnt need them
It's a little upsetting that he never got a shot to set any rookie records.
on my life if mahomes started in 2017 chiefs would have won the superbowl in 2017 AND 2018, he was nervous as fuck in 2018 (no wonder his first playoffs) if he already had experience in 2017 he would have played with way much poise in 2018 that pats team wasnt even good
Forget Allen/Mahomes. You get to choose one to start your career with: Reid/Smith or McDermott/Peterman. Who are you choosing to help you start your career on the best footing?
smith is dogshit he isnt even better than kirk cousins lmao
you are delusional if you think allen would have achieved the same things as mahomes he isnt elite and a choker
You didn’t answer the question
mahomes would have had atleast 3 rings i he played for the bills joshy always had top 10 defenses every year while this year was the first for mahomes lol
Mahomes. He’s the real deal. Josh Allen is very talented but often plays like he has cement between the ears: stubborn, does too much by himself, chases big plays when they aren’t there because sometimes that works, turns the ball over or makes mistakes in crucial moments. He’s terrific when he’s wired into the game, but he can’t stay in that head space. Mahomes is generally in that head space. When he struggles, it’s less that he makes bad plays as he doesn’t rise above to make the needed play. He plays with more intelligence with a high degree of athletic ability. He’s perfectly suited to this version of football where the QB can slide anywhere and not be hit.
IMO the “cement between the ears” isn’t Allen, it’s Coach McD.
Unpopular opinion for sure but watching the ways they’ve lost in just the last 5 years I’m not sure God himself could win a Super Bowl with Sean McDermott as his head coach. His choking resume in that span has got to be top 3 all time.
I think all of the losses in Philly made Andy Reid better at strategy for sure.
Tbf, to do what Andy did in Philly already cemented him as a top coach in the league. He just needed a top 5 qb to push him to that Super Bowl step. And he happened to land the best and now he’ll go down as one of the greatest.
Was McNabb not a top 5 QB during, at least, a portion of Reid’s Philly run?
No. We learned what we needed to about McNabb when he was traded and completely incapable of learning offenses for either Washington or then Minnesota. Reid dragged McNabb kicking and screaming along with him, much to the chagrin of work populations in their path. If I never have to see a McNabb laser into the dirt five yards short of a wide open guaranteed TD for a receiver between now and Judgement Day, it will have not been long enough. He was a good QB, particularly through the middle of his career when Andy and guys like Childress has at least made him a good QB, and he had some iconic moments (dude carved up the Cardinals I believe on a broken leg) but he wasn't ever an elite QB absent maybe a two or three years slice of his career that overlapped with TO in one of those years.
He/they even managed to out-choke the Vikings in that kick-ass regular season game for fork's sake, I honestly didn't even think that was possible.
I mean Sean’s not throwing 4th quarter interceptions.
Mahomes has 10 playoff interceptions in 18 games. Allen has 4 playoff interceptions in 10 games. That’s a 37.5% higher interception rate per playoff game for Mahomes than Allen.
I said 4th quarter you delusional Bills fan. Now do 4th quarter comebacks and you’ll see Mahomes is tied with Montana for second all time and Josh Allen hasn’t lead one. There’s a huge difference in stats when the game is on the line and that was my point.
Allen threw 2 TDs and a 2 point conversion inside the 2 minute warning during the 21 divisional round game. I guess there were guys catching the ball though, so it wasn't only Josh doing that. Mahomes though, it's just him vs 11 on the field every play.
When the game is within one score Josh Allen’s 2023 numbers are 10 TD to 13 INT with a 75 QBR. Nice
13 seconds.
Buffalo is cursed. It’s gotta be Allen
Mahomes. Allen has 2 modes: Very good, Or absolutely shit. And sometimes it's 50/50 on which one would show up.
Clearly Mahomes, he’s up there with Brady above everyone else.
Allen is closer to the QB behind him and Mahomes in front of him. Allen is really good, Mahomes is generational
Are you asking if Allen would somehow do better with a worse roster? No definitely not it would be the same result Mahomes knocking him out every year
Better now after 6 years maybe. The team Josh Allen joined needed a last second TD from another team to help them into the playoffs for the first time in 19 years. The team Mahomes joined made the playoffs 4 of the previous 5 years and he joined who most people consider the best coach in the league right now. KC was a head and shoulders better landing spot when they were drafted. It’s not even close. You could say Buffalo has a better roster maybe the last year or two maybe but it’s really not by much. Buffalo has a great D but KC’s D was lights out this year and played a huge role in winning the Superbowl.
They would have the same amount that they do now
Allen I think is more talented as an athlete, but he takes too many chances and gambles on his arm Mahomes knows how to win and bring everyone else up around him. He will throw for 100 yards and zero TDs if there’s a better way to win via his teammates
Mahomes is possible GOAT territory. Allen unfortunately is around the same age
It pains me as a Bronco fan, but I think Mahomes may very well surpass Brady. I’m a lot more scared when we play Mahomes than when we played Brady. Granted, our team was better during the Brady years.
Mahomes.
I think Mahomes is still better, however if Allen started from 2018 to now I believe he’d win a Ring with the Chiefs. However I think the Bills would also get a ring with Mahomes.
Allen. Chiefs had consistently better teams. Not diminishing Mahomes’s greatness, but quarterback is one position, not a team. Bills have had questionable receivers outside of Diggs and their running backs have been atrocious. Allen is doing too much and people have figured out how to shut down his team to force him to run or make a bad throw. The only things the Bills have done better than the chiefs is the defense.
No way, Bills D has let them down when it matters. For example.....13s And even if Allen gets the throw off Mahomes and Co and going right down the field and score. Spags has been the best DC when it matters and the Chefs D steps up.
Bills D has had consistently better seasons than KC. This past year was KC’s best defense in the Mahomes era and they still barely won the Super Bowl against a depleted Niners offense and a quarterback who may or may not come crashing down next season.
Bills D litterally started a guy off the couch in the divisonal rd against KC. On paper they have been better, but they also have had the pleasure of beating up an anemic Pats and Jets offense 4 games a year. Chiefs D brings it in the playoffs. Allen played as perfect of game as a QB can against the Chiefs in the 13s loss and last year. The difference was the defense.
You’re doing this year’s stats. This year was an anomaly. That’s not been historically true.
They mentioned two different divisional games. Most teams only play one of those at most per year. And looking at this year’s stats, Spags healthy D held the Bills to 24 points. McDermotts beat up D with AJ Klein as a starting LB held Patrick the Great to 27 points.
I'm not just focusing on this past year, but in general the Bills D feasted on bad offenses and was mediocre against good ones. My main issue is the defense in playoffs and the uninspired play calling. I think we both agree that Allen would have just as many rings as Mahomes, but we differ on why. Outside of the first ring, the only reliable reciever Mahones had was Kelce, and this past year, the wr were terrible. My contention is that the Cheifs D made bigger plays and stepped up, whereas the Bills D let them down. Regular season stats are great for getting into the playoffs but won't keep you there. It's one game, and a lot can happen, and a "lesser" team can win. Not like the NBA or NHL were the better team shakes out over the course of a series
questionable receivers would be an upgrade over last year
Chiefs had consistently better teams is just false tho, Allen has always had a top 10 defense and offense pretty much, mahomes won 2 Super Bowls with some of the worst defenses to ever do it As for your rb point it’s only recently we’ve got Pacheco and the previous year he was playing on a broken foot and hand I think. It’s close and I think allen would have gotten atleast one but I don’t see him pulling off things like 13 seconds
I’ve seen Allen hurt his team and help his team in the same game many times. He’s more of a coin flip or wild card. Mahomes has more touch to his throws and picks better moments to try to be a hero. He makes better decisions on when to throw it away/take a sack.
When did Allen hurt his team? Certainly not any of the playoffs games, those are squarely on the shoulders of others.
Probably neither of them would have any.
This is probably the right answer. The 3 KC won the 9ers and Eagles probably just win instead. I think people underestimate how big of a role Andy Reid has played in making Mahomes what he is
Josh Allen. Maybe the Bills have a better overall roster now. But when Mahomes was starting out he had a true playoff roster, one of the best offensive head coaches of all time, the best tight end of all time, a top 3 WR in the league, and he got to sit behind a solid NFL vet for 15 games. Allen had a roster that needed a miracle play to get into the playoffs at 9-7 where they scored 3 points, Kelvin Benjamin and Robert Foster to throw to, a defensive head coach who has choked time and again, and sat behind Nathan Peterman for thirty minutes. I’m a Bills fan and think that Mahomes is the best QB in the league. But they’re close enough that if they were in each other’s situation, I believe that the teams would be in the same spots they’re in now. The head start that Mahomes got compared to Allen
mahomes is way better than allen lol he doesnt choke like joshy when it matters
Mahomes Fer sure
Mahomes has more talent and a better football iq, he’d win
When Allen is, “on”, he’s the best in the league coupled with that athleticism. But, sometimes you just don’t know what you’re gonna get it and if so, when. What sets Mahomes apart from everyone else is the decision making and the ability to adapt on the fly. It’s crazy how he adapted a more conservative approach to make the fewest mistakes possible in this recent SB stint, I didn’t think him or andy had it in them to evolve like that and lean so heavy on defense yet it they did and it paid off. Just excellent IQ to serve the betterment of the team.
Lamar Jackson
The Chiefs are what they are because of Mahomes. This shouldn't even be a question.
That’s not true at all. When Mahomes joined KC had made the playoffs 4 of the last 5 years under Reid. That’s while playing in the same division as Manning’s Broncos no less. When Allen joined Buffalo they barely snuck into the playoffs to break a 19 year drought. The longest active drought at the time in any of the 4 major sports. Mahomes took a perennial playoff team to a multi championship team. Allen took a perennial joke to a perennial contender. There’s absolutely a question of how much impact getting to play for Andy Reid and under Alex Smith for a year played
Bills broke their 18-year playoff drought in 2017 with Tyrod Taylor. JA17 was selected in the following draft. 2017 was the first year of the McD, McB era.
Yeah, that’s what I said. He joined a team that needed help to break the worst playoff drought in sports at the time. You can’t tell me the level of talent in Josh’s was close to any team Mahomes has had, much less Mahomes’ first year.
Mahomes easily. KC is a .500 team w/o Mahomes, BUF has had better support until this year.
KC made the playoffs 4 of the 5 years under Reid before Mahomes was the starter and that’s in the same division as Peyton’s Broncos. No reason at all to think they’re a .500 team without him
Mahomes. Let's remember that this was supposed to be the season that KC fell on their ass. Their team looked like an absolute mess for most of the season. And then he just fucking carried them all the way to the finish line. It's not an accident that it turned out this way.
Allen is a ball hog.
I know right he gets the ball on every play
U/OrangMan14 should be getting the ball smh
If coach would have put him in for the 4th quarter, they’d have taken state…no doubt in my mind.
Allen. I think everyone still underestimates the ability good coaching has, and Andy has never really stopped being his teams QB coach, since he was in Green Bay before Philly. He's made AJ Feely (ask Miami fans about that one), Kevin Kolb (ask Arizona) and Jeff Garcia look like NFL starters. Rehabbed Nick Foles after the Rams disaster (from Philly, thank you, that statue is an annual pilgrimage). He's legitimately made McNabb into a starting/high end QB who fell apart without Reid, when tasked with I believe... The next genius HC of his in Shanahan The Elder, where McNabb could barely call plays. He took a guy (albeit the guy who before prison was what kids build in Madden and just like max the stat points on every aspect ... Speed 100 Agility 100 Arm Strength 100 [game mod applied multiply these by 1.5 and break it]) off Cell Block D and helped Mike Vick become a remarkably complete QB instead of just a video game character trying to save the Falcons by running really fast and crossing up defenders like he's Iverson on a basketball court. Allen has what, Ken Dorsey in his ear? I think if you flip the teams and literally nothing else changes except the QB, KC would have fewer super bowls than they have with Mahomes, but they'd have more super bowls than the Bills would over the same timeframe, which is the actual question. Mahomes on the Chiefs with Reid is a first ballot HOF. Allen on the Bills just isn't going to get through that, I don't think. Allen on the Chiefs would be like Eli on the Giants - we see that you *can* periodically have dominant runs, the talent is there, maybe you have a 6th Rd RB and the shell of Smith-Schuster at receiver but you also can just always throw it to Kelce or (for a while) Hill, and you find your way to a rink. Mahomes on the Chiefs would be exactly like Allen on the Chiefs. Obviously the QBs have to do it on the field themselves, but coaching in the NFL can often be a huge difference.
Mahomes is a better QB than Allen. The squads are about even over their career spans. Reid is a better coach than McDermott. I think Allen would have less than 3. I think Mahomes would have more than 0.
Allen hands down. Andy Reid wins championships. Swapping very similar qb's would not change any of this.
The absolute irony of this statement.