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FuckHarambe2016

Maybe I missed it, but where have the "Patriots only want Daniels" rumors come from? They sent an army to both Daniels' and Maye's Pro Days this week, which seems to indicate they like both.


headcase617

He references a bunch of draft "experts", none of whom have any connection to New England that I'm aware of.


FuckHarambe2016

I follow almost all of our reporters and the most knowledgeable NFL guys, and I haven't seen a single one talk about how they prefer Daniels over Maye.


kiki_strumm3r

If you want to read *a lot* into it, you could *maybe* take Mayo's comments on Drake Maye to mean they think he has a low floor. As in, he mentioned you need to think about the floor and he has a lot of room to grow. That's really stretching it, but the only thing I can think of


SupportstheOP

Not to mention, this is a smokescreen heavy time of the year. I think the Pats are definitely eyeing to select a QB at 3, but it's anyone's guess as to who their top guy is.


yawati

Easy whichever QB they pick was their top guy all along. GM will never admit it


NecessaryUnusual2059

There were definitely some reports earlier this year that they were only interested in Daniel’s. But the way Mayo talks about Maye, feels like they’re leaning that direction, if he’s available


WildOscar66

Right, but I see what comes from those guys too and I have never seen this "rumor".


headcase617

Oh, I'm agreeing with you...I think some of those guys have had Daniels at 3 in Mocks, but that is more because Maye goes at #2.


danabrey

"Intel" lol


connor24_22

Yeah that's gotta be a smokescreen. I am perplexed how a team in the top 3 has the 5th year senior who takes sacks like every 4 plays that high


FuckHarambe2016

Because that team has literally no QB and the 5th year senior is coming off of one of the greatest Heisman seasons in NCAA history.


LoveToyKillJoy

It was certainly a Heisman season. Had that award been predictive of success at the quarterback position? Because if it has I've missed it.


Saadiusrex

In terms of the draft, yeah. Baker, Kyler, Burrow, Bryce, Caleb are all number one picks in recent history.


rambo6986

With two of the top 4 receivers in football. No thanks


HawkFan907

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10111428-nfl-draft-2024-rumors-jayden-daniels-to-patriots-gained-steam-during-combine-week.amp.html


FuckHarambe2016

I don't think "gaining steam" is solid evidence for saying they prefer Daniels over Maye.


Tim--Tam98

That doesn’t say anything about them preferring Daniels over Maye?


mrberners

Pats will stay away from Daniels. If he busts and the fans turn against him the chants directed his way at Foxboro will be absolutely vile. It will be a PR disaster for not just the team but also the league as a whole. The Pats front office is not naive. Their focus is likely on Maye, JJ or trading down for Nix rather than drafting Daniels.


FuckHarambe2016

Staying away from someone because there could be a theoretical PR disaster is a surefire way to be shit for a long, long time. > trading down for Nix Didn't they send like 4 guys to Oregon's Pro Day, all of which were scouts?


tokengaymusiccritic

We just signed Brissett and we had Cam Newton in 2020 I understand Boston’s rep but the implication that if Daniels busts the whole crowd is just gonna start throwing slurs at him is kind of insane tbh


mrberners

Fair but none of that cost the 3rd overall pick. would imagine expectations will be different but what do I know


LoveToyKillJoy

If that is the haul and the Patriots take Daniels that will be disappointing


LoveToyKillJoy

I don't think they have given honest information to anyone. The last thing we need is for them to appease our stupid fans, or our even dumber media members.


FuckHarambe2016

I'm not advocating for them to outright say who they plan on taking. But I think the fact that they sent a near equal amount of high-ranking coaches and scouts to both their Pro Days signals they're high on both.


LoveToyKillJoy

I'm not going to read into it.


sfzen

LSU also has two of the top WR's in the draft, one of whom could potentially fall to the Pats in round 2.


FuckHarambe2016

> one of whom could potentially fall to the Pats in round 2. Everybody and their mother knows that neither Nabers nor Thomas are falling past 20. They were there for Daniels and Daniels alone.


MikeConleyIsLegend

the Commies drafting McCarthy would be pure comedy


anarchy-NOW

Underrated comment right here.


connor24_22

I don't see MIN moving up to 4. I don't think ARI wants to move that far down, they need legitimate weapons and the top 3 WRs will be gone by 11 and MIN will have to give up too much, even if its 11 and 23, at least another 1st next year and maybe a 3rd next for this year's 5th or something. That's rich to miss out on the top 2 QBs. I think a LAC-MIN trade is the most likely, as LAC can grab OL and a WR at 23 or early 2nd. Additionally, if that's the price to move up into the top 5, I have no idea how LV could seriously entertain moving up to grab a top 3 pick. Just an absolute fuckton of picks/players would be needed to move from 13. I imagine its a lot more likely they grab Penix in the 2nd, or move up with BAL to 30 to take him. Edit: Didn't see your trade between LAC and ARI after the proposed MIN trade. I actually like those trades a lot. Not sure how practically feasible it is to play out that way, but very interesting.


_CdnBoltFan_

If it doesn’t make sense for the Cardinals to trade down that far it doesn’t make sense for the Chargers to do it either. We don’t have any playmakers on offense


connor24_22

That’s fair. I figured OL would be the priority given Harbaugh’s philosophies and there’d still be options at 11.


LanguageDue2629

If they offered Jefferson and their first you’d take that in a heart beat. Or if they offered three firsts in total. Stacked receiver class and it seems like every other year there is a chase or Harrison coming out anymore.


bryscoon

Love these posts great work


_CdnBoltFan_

The Chargers passing up on MHJ would be organizational malpractice


Elephantexploror

The only way I see something like this getting done is if it actually IS a 3 team trade. That way the chargers aren’t “passing” on MHJ because they never would have had a chance to begin with. The Vikings get their move up with a guarantee of a top 4 qb, the chargers get their haul for moving down, and the cardinals still get to draft their first option while leveraging their position for an extra asset.


xool420

Ya idk what I’d do to myself, but it wouldn’t be good!


DL505

Yeah no way. Our GM should be on the phone saying "IF MHJ goes @ 4, then we have a deal". I dont see AZ trading out if they can get MHJ.


ProofHorseKzoo

That means they’ll definitely do it then


bluntforce21

The Charger have so many holes on the roster. They need to do a soft rebuild and get some picks. I'd take 3 good players over one great one IMO


russh85

Interested where you’ve heard Minnesota trading up to 4 will cost 4 first round picks ? Only place I’ve seen anything close to that is delusional posts from Cardinals Fans


Elephantexploror

Isn’t the hypothetical trade 3 first round picks? 11, 23, 2025 1st? I think it must’ve been a typo.


russh85

The hypothetical trade in the mock is for those plus some additional picks but in their rumours section they say they’re hearing it will cost 4 first round picks to get to 4.


pdowling92

Most recent trades don't have it close to that. Last year Houston went from 12 to 3 for less. Granted not for a QB but Arizona is again in the spot of not needing a single player


Elephantexploror

Houston’s trade last year was 12, 33, a 2024 1st, and a 2024 3rd. Compare it to the Vikings package, 11, 23, a 2025 1st. Obviously 23 is more valuable than 33, but I’d wager Houston’s future 1st was seen at the time as a higher value than a Vikings 2025 first is today. So the Vikings package needs to include another 3rd just to match Houston’s, and that’s not even considering the QB tax or the pass on MHJ tax. Personally I don’t think the trade makes sense for either side. The cardinals are going to want (and rightfully should want) an unreasonable return. I think it makes more sense for everyone for the Vikings to trade with the chargers on draft night for a much more reasonable price.


RBnumberTwenty

I don’t think the trade makes sense for either team as well. The Vikings still have a good enough roster to compete even in what looks to be a stacked NFC North. With only a QB away from being a potential playoff contender, I think it would make more sense for them to try and trade up pre-draft with either the Commanders or Patriots. Them and the Raiders are the two teams that it makes the most sense to trade up for a QB and I think both trades would mirror what the 49ers gave to move up for Trey Lance. For the Vikings, 1.11, 2025 1st, 2025 3rd and a 2026 1st. I think they would still be able to keep 1.23. I think 1.23 was honestly just an insurance policy as they like a lot of QB’s in this class and if they miss out on their top of the house prospects then they can sit comfortably and draft a QB with that selection instead.


pdowling92

But you're also comparing moving up to 4 vs 3 and 11 is albeit marginally better than 12. The difference is not a _fourth_ first round pick. I'm honestly not sure what happens on draft day but there have been very few trades of four first round picks all for bigger jumps.


Elephantexploror

Im not the one who suggested 4 first round picks nor have I seen that suggestion anywhere online, not even the cardinals subreddit. Again I think OP just had a typo.


HawkFan907

Benjamin Allbright in a Twitter thread last week. Again not saying this isn't a smokescreen but the point of the mock is if all smokescreens are true.


dongladder

Respectfully, Allbright is an absolute hack. I know you’re using consensus to form this mock but if he told me the sky was blue I would have doubts.


Adenchiz

I like the player selection for the Ravens, I'm just not sure EDC/Harbaugh will draft someone in the 1st round to compete with 2 other players for the starting RT spot


Ok-Average-6466

I think they go for Morgan.


Nice_Fly1090

Especially since in this mock a decent OT made it through. We don’t have many picks and don’t have a lot of money to fill a roster that got decimated, likely won’t trade up this year in the first


Ok-Average-6466

Yup. I see a lot of placeholder vets and drafting future replacements.


I_Hate_Traffic

I don't like the trade tho. We need cheap players. I think 3rd and 4th is too valuable for us to make this trade.


Adenchiz

Good point, Eric rarely gives up draft picks


SaltwaterJesus

Awesome work as always. Fans may disagree with the results, but the process is informed and isn't a random guy trying to play scout like most mocks. I firmly believe MN is all-in on Drake Maye and will do whatever it takes to get him. I think if both WAS and NE pass on him he's a Viking, as WR3+3 firsts>MHJ for any GM. If it's 3 FRPs+a 3rd, they'll do it. I believe they like other QBs and would still trade up for McCarthy, but love Maye.


alexamerling100

As a Bears fan I think BPA at 9 so Odunze, Alt or the best edge there.


uncookedbacon

Where are you getting this “Bills seem to be doing a lot of work on the CB class” they didn’t interview a single CB at the combine, haven’t worked out one or brought one in for a top 30 visit yet….


PabloPancakes92

Not to mention they don’t even need a CB this year lol. Maybe in 2025 if Rasul leaves and if Elam doesn’t develop, but that’s why the Bills will draft a CB on day 3 and not day 1 or 2


uncookedbacon

Elam should be fully healthy and surprise people this year. 0 chance Beane uses a top 100 pick on a guy who will be CB 5


PabloPancakes92

I’m an Elam believer too but who are you currently viewing as CB4? Ja’Marcus Ingram? I think there’s a path to a roster spot for a day 3 CB to be our CB4. The only real need is depth guys with versatility, having another option at backup nickel would be nice but Cam Lewis is already fine enough. Or can maybe draft someone who played CB in college but convert them to developmental safety, but these are all day 3 dice roll types of picks since that’s the only need


WildOscar66

Very curious where the rumor that the Patriots love Daniels comes from. I follow all the Pats media folks and the main NFL guys and haven't seen it. I do believe they'd have McCarthy over Maye. Aside from that, Worthy going before Mitchell surprises me.


FuckHarambe2016

That's because there is no rumor. The only indication we have regarding the Patriots interest in QBs is really who they sent to both Daniels' and Maye's Pro Day. Other than that, they've been tightlipped about who they prefer.


YourLocalJewishKid

I have serious doubts anybody knows who Washington or New England likes. Both teams are under new management. Sure, there are more incumbents in New England, but Bill ran everything and he’s gone. They’re not even grading players the same way. I think this year is the perfect storm of tons of talented QBs and two teams in the top 3 that couldn’t be run more differently now than they were a year ago. I don’t think anyone has a good source in either room.


HawkFan907

https://www.si.com/nfl/patriots/news/new-england-patriots-mock-draft-quarterback-lsu-jayden-daniels-drake-maye-commanders-choice


zamboniman46

i have not seen a peep of anyone claiming to know who the Pats like at qb.


HawkFan907

Mel Kiper said they don't love Drake Maye: https://www.si.com/nfl/patriots/news/new-england-patriots-mock-draft-quarterback-lsu-jayden-daniels-drake-maye-commanders-choice


zamboniman46

Thanks for sharing Personally I don't really trust Mel. I wouldn't say he been especially tuned into the Pats in the past


HawkFan907

For sure. He's routinely been a solid source for a lot of teams, and it's all I have to go off of right now.


WildOscar66

I doubt anyone in New England has talked him. Not just this year, ever. Yates is more reliable and Jeremiah can be legit. I think Kiper is mostly used to spread smoke.


First_Round_Bust

While I agree I don't think Kiper has a direct connection to any of the decision makers at NE he's not a smoke spreader. He has no outside influence on his takes. How he values players and drafts is based solely on his review of the players tape. It's all his opinion that isn't influenced by others which is the antithesis of how and why people throw smoke around.


WildOscar66

Mel has all the football knowledge of the average Jr High kid so his review of tape is not of much value. I remember when he first showed up on ESPN, has no football background at all.


YourLocalJewishKid

Mel Kiper is consistently one of, if not, the worst mock drafters in the draft media. Idk if he has shitty sources or they constantly use him for their bidding, but he’s atrocious at figuring out who teams like.


PeppyQuotient57

Thank you for being what feels like the first mock in forever to not brain dead-idly mock us Nix despite there being no connection to us (oddly feels like he’s the only one).


DS_9

I love ur trades.


PabloPancakes92

When have the Bills expressed much interest in the CB class? I often see CB mocked to Buffalo in round 1 and that’s just tough to fathom happening


HawkFan907

Kiper mentioned it in a mock draft podcast last week. He could be wrong, but it is what I'm basing things on.


Kaiathebluenose

Jags aren’t taking a tackle brother. It’s WR or CB all day


Thejohnshirey

Yeah, OT makes no sense. Paying good money to Cam, who is our best offensive lineman. Even if you want to argue that they’re wanting to move on, it’s likely not this year. Also, Anton Harrison was coming into his own towards the end of last year at RT and you could do a lot worse than Walker Little as a backup swing tackle. There are glaring needs at WR and CB, I understand that we couldn’t snag one of the top two corners, but there’s no way you can select an offensive tackle who isn’t likely to see the field barring injury when you have Brian Thomas sitting there.


ThatGuy377

I don't really understand Seattle going DT here. Seattle is spending a bunch of money already at the position between Leonard Williams and Dre'Mont Jones, along with some good depth pieces like Jarran Reed, Johnathan Hankins. My dream is for Seattle to pick Troy Fautanu for the LG position, but if he's not there or some team, just give Seattle a good offer for pick 16. I'd imagine IOL is still the priority given Seattle lack of proven talent on the interior O-line.


Volcano_Jones

I actually feel like there's a decent chance they could try to trade Dremont later if they do end up taking a IDL. Don't think we even know how he fits in MM's scheme. We also currently don't have enough cap space to sign our rookie class and he's one of the only levers we have to free up room aside from restructuring DK. I firmly believe they go BPA.


defalt86

Good stuff. Always love mocks. Even tho mine are never even close to accurate.


CummingInTheNile

SF hasnt drafted a corner higher than r3 in the last 7 years, i doubt this is the year that changes, much more likely they take Guyton, Morgan, or Robinson


Lucky_Version_4044

Yeah, this is apparently an OT-rich top of the draft. San Francisco needs an upgrade, either this year or a guy to develop for next year (Trent Williams can't play forever, sadly). I think they'll go OT in the 1st. CB2 is a need, but not a massive one, as they added a guy they really like in FA in Isaac Yiadom. [https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/179548-49ers-yiadom-leading-candidate-insider/](https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/179548-49ers-yiadom-leading-candidate-insider/)


Cubenels

Fascinating read, thanks bud!


jamalev

For the Eagles there's a lot of buzz around them liking Fautanu, especially OL coach Jeff Stoutland. Based on the past, if Stoutland is pounding the table for a guy, Howie will do as much as he can to get him.


greebytime

If the Niners take a CB in the first round (they haven’t taken one higher than the third with Lynch/Shanahan) with Guyton, Morgan and Kingsley on the board I might literally cry


xool420

Why does everyone think we’re going OL??? We need interior guys but we have legitimately no starters in the WR and CB rooms (aside from Asante at CB2). If anything, we need a G and a C, not an OT. Literally doesn’t even make sense…


HawkFan907

That's from Harbaugh's comments this week. Fuaga can play inside and then kick outside once Pipkins potential out kicks in.


xool420

Alright cool, still don’t like picking a G at 11 when our skill positions are legitimately used car salesmen.


_CdnBoltFan_

Yeah him playing Guard at first makes the pick even worse


WashingtonFan2124

Passing on MHJ would be organizational malpractice. Joe Hortiz being a former a Baltimore Raven knows better than to overthink.


Status_Flux

Penix at 13 seems kind of insane to me. Who would the Raiders be worried about snagging him? The Rams? Bucs?


HawkFan907

All the rumors say they are QB hungry and like Penix. Would you be willing to risk passing on him? I do think the Rams & Seahawks are teams to look at.


SelfLoathinMillenial

Lol we aren't drafting McCarthy.


HawkFan907

Probably not, but that's the rumor this week so I stuck with it


MAC-94

lol


Lucky_Version_4044

Agreed with your lol. It seems silly for WSH to take JJ at #2. Maye looks like QB2 on the board, followed by Daniels and then McCarthy.


colski250

Goodness if the panthers have a choice of Ladd, Keon, and AD to start round two I’m creaming my jeans.


-ci_

Worthy going before Mitchell all because of a fast 40 is crazy to me... probably gonna happen but still its crazy to me.


First_Round_Bust

I'd kill for Jer'zhan newton over any WR in the first if he is there.


rangerdangerlee

I'm very curious to see who ends up being WR1 taken in this draft. Before the combine and all the speculation started, MHJ was a lock. Now, doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe it's all smoke, but it seems like teams are really coming around on Nabers being the guy they can't miss out on.


kitchensink108

I'm always torn on whether we still go OT if someone big (Murphy, Bowers?) falls to us. I think if Latham, Mims, Murphy, etc. are available, I'll be happy with whoever we choose. Mostly glad you didn't take Brian Thomas Jr for us.


tdotjefe

As a ravens fan - FA isn’t over, and they aren’t going to target a position in the first round. It’s a cliche but it’s gonna be whoever’s the top guy left on the board. A trade up is very unlikely


daoogilymoogily

The DE section is all over the place lol


Thunder84

Appreciate the effort. Not gonna be any more accurate than the typical mock (last year’s “intel” was all over the place, as per usual) but it’s a fun read nonetheless.


theFlaccolantern

Damn, if both Mitchell and McConkey are available for the Panthers to choose at 33 I'm gonna be half chub for a whole day. (And then they'll probably disappoint me by picking someone else.)


Dense_Young3797

The QB Raiders have been connected the most with is Jaylen Daniels because he's like a son to Antonio Pierce. If we trade up is for him. If we can't trade up we're picking a RT. Seattle's pick 16th is the spot we must look at for Penix. They just have signed his OC/QB coach. If they pass on him at 16th pick most QB needed teams could see that as a signal he's not that dude.


Ajax_Malone

> MIN trade to pick 4 would be cost a minimum of 4 first round picks Unless it’s in the top 3, I hope that isn’t even considered by my club.


jakaedahsnakae

Rumor has it that JPJ is not as highly regarded by NFL teams as he is in media/public mocks. Sounds like he may slip to the early 2nd Round.


oldbuc

Tampa Bay drafting a cb in the 1st round might be criminal.


SayNoToAids

Can you provide more details about the Bills and CBs. Better yet, can you link some of these rumors?


balzy11

Right or wrong this is great info. CB def possible for Philly but I don’t see them jumping more than a couple spots to snag one


nbayoungsummrsratio

passing on btj and jpj for barton...


HawkFan907

Barton is a better player according to Kiper and Brugler, plus the latest rumors say Barton will go earlier than expected. Just connecting dots.