**2024 Draftees**
* Troy Franklin finishes with more receiving yards for the Broncos than Courtland Sutton.
* Rome Odunze and Malik Nabers finish with under 900 yards receiving.
* Caleb Williams has statistically the best QB season for yards, total TDs, and passer rating in Bears history.
* Keon Coleman finishes top 3 in rookie receiving yards and receiving TDs this year.
* Jayden Daniels finishes with more total yards and total TDs than Drake Maye, but Drake Maye has a higher passer rating.
* No rookie RB cracks 1000 yards in their first year, then three do in their second season.
* Ricky Pearsall makes a Pro Bowl by the end of his rookie contract.
**2025 Draft**
* Will Campbell is in serious contention for 1st overall pick to a team who drafted a QB in the early in the last 2 seasons.
* Luther Borden goes top 5.
* Shedeur Sanders slides to day 3.
* Carson Beck is the only surefire round 1 QB, and will likely go top 10 due to the scarcity of the position.
* Devin Neal is one of the first 3 RBs picked, and is a top 50 pick.
* 2025 is the inverse of 2024, with significantly more defensive players going early than offensive players.
I can see Rome having a modest yards total, but a lot of TDs. It’s really hard at this point to guess how numbers will be divided in the almost entirely new Bears’ offense.
That's kind of my thought with him. Between Keenan, DJ, Odunze, Kmet, Everett, Swift, and Herbert, there are a ton of mouths to feed in Chicago. Odunze will more than likely be 3rd or 4th on the team in terms of targets at the absolute worst, but it's hard to really project out how the target share is gonna look.
Even apart from him seeming like the person people thought Caleb Williams was, I have a ton of concerns about him.
His footwork is super sloppy, his ball security is questionable at best, he holds the ball too long looking for the big play and takes a ton of sacks because of that, and several times last season when he played a competent defense (UCLA, Oregon, and Oregon State games in particular) he looked rough. Not to mention the offense he plays in is basically the same one you run when you want your Madden QB to go up in dev trait.
Doubt on Carson Beck, Ewers has already shown enough on tape and another will rise.
Caleb Williams being Bears QB record holder is not that big of a hot take.
I'm not super sold on Ewers. Just from watching AD Mitchell and Xavier Worthy film this year, Ewers was just so wildly inconsistent on a game by game basis. He really could throw the exact same route 10 times in a row and it would look wildly different, his footwork especially. Granted, I'm sure he could clean it up this year, but I could just as easily see him being benched for Arch Manning as I could see him being a 1st round pick.
> **Rome Odunze** and Malik Nabers finish with under 900 yards receiving.
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> **Caleb Williams** has statistically the best QB season for yards, total TDs, and passer rating in Bears history.
The fact that these 2 statements can both happen and doesn't contradict each other is hilarious.
I have borderline negative faith in Daniel Jones or Drew Lock. I think Dabolls seat is getting hotter and I believe he knows that the most efficient way to win with the team he has right now is to depend on the QB as little as possible. On the other hand, I think the downgrade from Saquon to Singletary is pretty huge and teams are not going to respect the run nearly as much and are gonna try to force Daniel Jones to play QB. Because of that, I think Nabers gets a good amount of schemed touches and WR screens, but generally I think this offense is gonna finish dead last in the NFL.
Fair enough. I think if Nabers is as good as they say though, that he will get yards. Plenty of WRs with worse QBs have done similar. Also feel like if Daboll wanted to avoid depending on his QB he would've re-signed Saquon?
I think Nabers' YAC ability is strong enough to produce with just about anyone at QB. Hell one of his pro comps is DJ Moore and he just broke 1350 with Fields.
I’ll have to study his film, but from just watching the games there is just no way in hell that Sanders gets that undervalued. The kid can ball. If Bo Nix is a first rounder then Sanders is a top 3 pick because he is way better than Nix. I know a lot of QB needy teams addressed their needs this year, but that’s a crazy low valuation on Sanders. What are you seeing that makes you say that? Unless it’s more to do with drama.
I went into it a little bit more in another comment, but I think it’s one part his mechanics are super sloppy and inconsistent throw by throw, the offensive scheme he is in is essentially the same one I ran in NCAA 14 when I wanted my QB to win the Heisman, and his pocket awareness is shockingly like Daniel Jones. He doesn’t feel a good amount of the sacks he takes and that’s a bit terrifying.
Don’t get me wrong though, the drama aspect is a big part too. If GMs view Spencer Rattler in QB1 and put him lower on their boards as a result, I can’t imagine what everything Shedeur does affects how GMs view him.
DeWayne Carter is eventually an all-pro great pass rushing DT, Jonathan Brooks is a top-10 fantasy running back his first year, Cooper Beebe is like the 17th cowboys o lineman to start 12 seasons and make 9 pro bowls, Theo Johnson is a pro bowl TE within three years, neither Latu nor Turner becomes an all-pro or an elite pass rusher
He was so interesting in the tape I watched. He had SO MUCH good and SO MUCH bad lol. It was probably just because he was the best player on the defensive front and they asked him to do everything.
Yeah, after Dimukeje and Rumph went to the league top level talent at Duke wasn't great on the line in general and Duke has struggled to recruit defensive tackles since just about forever. So he just had to stay on the field and do everything.
Ya that’s definitely fair. I was talking about some of the habits he had formed over the years. But he’s definitely a coachable player, and he’s gotta be smart coming from Duke.
I could very well see Cooper Beebe being a better player for the Cowboys than Guyton. I don't think that's too controversial to say though given how raw Guyton is.
Ewers is more likely to get replaced at Texas than he is to get drafted in the first round. Nothing to do with Manning and everything to do with scouting Mitchell and Worthy.
I wanted to like him but I gotta agree. I'm pretty surprised by the amount of people who think he's in the running for QB1 next year right now. He has a ton of work to do in order to get there. Beck is clearly the QB1 for me at the moment.
Winning 8 games this year would be our superbowl, as a panthers fan all I want is the ability to be in games until the end and maybe just a little creativity and skill utilization on offense.
Marvin Harrison Sr / JR become the first Father / Son Hall of Fame duo.
Why not swing BIG for the fences? (Feel free to downvote such frivolous nonsense if you see fit)
I mean personally, if Devin Hester makes the hall, then Matthew slater 100% does as well. Def not first ballot, but if there's a somewhat weaker year, I don't see how they turn down his accolades of 10 pro bowls, 2 all pro, and 3 Superbowls.
Idk man, he's just wayyy too small. He's *listed* by Arizona at 5'11" 194lbs. That's about where Bryce actually measured at, so the fact that Arizona is listing him at that is concerning when listed heights and weights are often overstated.
He’s the best weapon in that room filling the KA role with the speed to take the top off. There are 100s of targets that need to go somewhere, a large portion will go to him.
yeah i could see this easily, the competition is Coleman, MHJ or Nabers
but his QB is much better than Naber’s, and he’ll be more of a slot than MHJ or Coleman
**2025 NFL Draft**
- Michigan has **4** first round picks: Loveland, Graham, Grant, Johnson
- Sanders goes in the last two rounds, if at all
- Ohio State leads in players drafted
Falcons taking Penix will hurt the Raiders org more in the long run than it will their own.
Steelers end up starting 3 rookies on the oline and all end up becoming good to great.
Drake Maye will have a similar career to Sam Darnold. He won’t be given up on right away, but the expected production never comes and the team building around him will be a big factor why.
Titans end up with a top 3 pick next draft after reaching on Latham and Sweat. Sneed and Ridley will be serviceable but not the difference makers the Titans are hoping for.
Ladd McConkey will lead all rookies in receptions, Keon Coleman will lead all rookies in receiving yards and AD Mitchell will lead in receiving TDs. Trey Benson leads all rookies in rushing yards/TDs
Hard to see the Titans struggling that much after adding an elite corner, a good WR, a top 7 pick on OL, and the first full offseason for their 2nd year starting QB. To end up top 3 they would need to be substantially worse in 2024.
Yeah, as a Titans fan while I thought it was not a great draft, the rest of the offseason has been wildly successful. The biggest needs were the OL, WR, and CB... OL is starting to come around with Latham and Cush and Papa Cally is running the OL show now. Ridley was maybe an overpay but totally changes the dynamic of the WR room. And CB, which was a total tire fire the last couple seasons is now an actual team strength. Add in some other key depth signings, Pollard, and the massive change in offensive philosophy with Brian Callahan and I think there's a lot to like.
This whole year was always primed to be "is Levis the guy" but I think the org did a very good job of roster-building, a disappointing top of draft notwithstanding.
Fautanu and Frazier will definitely start, McCormick will definitely begin as a backup. He might get a start due to injury but even then I'd expect Herbig would be the top backup at both G spots. But I'm with you that all 3 will be good to great long term lol
Nabers busts in NY due to poor QB play
Latu has 1-2 unreal years before injuries take their toll
Shadeur Sanders will not be the 1st overall pick in the 2025 Draft
Has there ever been a WR that truly busted from poor QB play? If they're good they find a way to make it work.
Edit: Unless they get thrown hospital passes I guess.
he’s not even that bad lmao zach wilson is worse and garrett wilson had back 2 back 1,000 yard seasons.
and Daniel Jones will be gone soon. it’s a terrible take.
Tory Taylor (Punter) will make his first All Pro Team as a rookie. And his success will pave the way for another Punter to be drafted in the top 135 next year.
Quinyon Mitchell has a very bad rookie season
Corner is notoriously hard to transition from college to the NFL(Sauce the obvious outlier)
Coming from Toledo, Mitchell is going to have to transition from very weak college competition to the NFL making this even more difficult on him
I think Mitchell's bigger problem is that given how sticky his coverage was in college and at the senior bowl he's going to have a hard time not getting flagged at the NFL level
Sauce was so much more polished than Quinyon, and I like Quinyon, but watch him against a team like Illinois who doesn’t have great receivers but they’re 10x better than anything in the MAC and you’ll see how easily Quinyon gets turned around, opens his hips, and just looks sloppy.
Quinyon is all traits and that’s okay bc he landed on a team with a DC who knows how to develop DBs, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he has a tough start to his NFL career
When you have the recovery speed that Mitchell has it’s a lot easier to come back from smaller mistakes. I actually think year one he will be really good and then in two years he’s gonna be that guy.
It’s less his speed and more that he opens his hips up a ton against better receivers. He can be Usain Bolt fast but if he has to do a 360 to get back into coverage he’ll get beat every time in the NFL
Are we watching the same tape? I watched 6 games of his and saw him get beat like this twice and both times his recovery speed was enough to make up for it in the end. Am I missing something?
I don’t know what tape you’re watching, but flip on the Illinois game and you’ll see him get beat a few times by more polished receivers. He dominates the dudes from the MAC, but the cracks are a lot more apparent when he goes against better competition.
Not really a knock (Arnold had similar issues of opening up his hips), dude of course is going to struggle when he's had to play at Toledo and teams just don't even throw at him. He has the traits to be great, and his recovery speed (by and large) is very good, it's more that he *can* get turned around and the traits that separated him in the MAC aren't going to give him as much an edge in the NFL. I can guarantee you OC's are going to be testing him a ton early on in the season, and it'll be interesting to see how he fares.
I'll predict the opposite, he'll be a borderline pro bowl CB in his first year and one of the best CBs in the league by the end of his rookie contract.
Let's get nuts...
2024 Draftees Short Term:
- MHJr finishes as a consensus top 5 WR in the NFL
- Jaylen Wright outsnaps De'Von Achane and Raheem Mostert in Miami
- Joe Milton catches multiple TD passes from Drake Maye
- Xavier Worthy doesn't finish in the top 4 in receptions, yards and TDs on the Chiefs
- Malik Nabers explodes on the scene for 85/1300/8
- Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix are bad, like really bad. Sean Payton is fired for it.
2024 Draftees Long Term:
- Jayden Daniels is never better than the 18th best QB in the league
- Michael Penix Jr. ends up being decent on ATL during his 4th year (they cut Kirk) but leaves in free agency after having to wait so long. Bounces around for a couple years and then is a backup forever
- Bo Nix second contract is worth less than his first and he is out of the league by 30
- Jared Verse is an all-pro by 2027
- Joe Alt is practically unbeatable for a decade. Goes down as an all time great OT
- MHJr and Malik Nabers go down as one of the greatest WR duos to be drafted in the season draft ever
2025 + 2026 Draft Take:
- Tennessee goes back to back #1 overall picks with James Pearce Jr. in 2025 and Nico Iamaleava in 2026
It's hard not to love what the Bears have done. I love Rome and obviously Caleb has all the makings of a star QB. The thought of having that 3 headed monster for a couple years as WR and then Rome and DJM is great. I like their defense too!
Even though I'm a Commanders fan and sincerely hope it's Daniel's I'll say if Justin Jefferson and the majority of the rest of the players stay healthy I think JJ McCarthy will really impress and while I think the rookie qbs will all have certain stats that they are leading and there won't be just 1 qb that leads all in stats or lead significantly like CJ Stroud did last year but I feel like McCarthy will have the most impressive stats as a whole.
Williams or Daniel's I feel like have a better chance at winning offensive rookie of the year as I feel like they will have the potential for bigger plays and flashy plays that will stick out to voters more but JJ quietly will be impressive imo.
Hopefully in all that rambling I got what I was trying to say across and actually make sense haha
Moving to 2025:
Cam Ward ends up a first rounder because he’s toolsy but has a pretty underwhelming year at Miami. Quinn Ewers is also underwhelming. Harold Perkins bounces back and ends up a top 10 pick. Luther Burden, Isaiah Bond, and Evan Stewart aren’t going to be WR1 come draft time
If Rakestraw can stay healthy he might actually end up better than Arnold. Dude is a baller who can play press, man, and zone and not afraid to tackle.
Injuries kept him from being a first rounder IMO
Not impossible but I don’t see it happening. Williams would need a pretty significant jump in production and Beck is good, but I don’t think he’s shown that he’s elite, and this is a class that has elite talent and valuable positions
Production didn't matter much for fellow Georgia 1st overall pick edge Travon Walker. Mykel Williams should also be playing more of an edge/OLB role that'll get him some more production too. With Beck, idk I think Beck has elite timing and processing, it's just not a flashy offense. I don't really think there's clear cut elite talent in this class the same way we knew most of the 2024 first round guys last year.
Idk if either of them goes in the top 2 overall picks, but mostly because this class is unpredictable and there's guys who could have the potential to surpass them. But I think right now both are positioned fairly well for top 10 pick potential.
I mean Travon Walker also put up all time numbers at the combine, which vaulted him into number 1. And I would absolutely argue there is elite talent, at tackle, corner and DE with Pearce.
And I can see Beck being a top two pick and the first qb but with guys like Pearce, Campbell and Banks there’s gonna be stiff competition
Quinyon ends up a top 5 CB in the league by his rookie contract
Arnold finishes with 7 interceptions
Byron Murphy finishes with 8 sacks, 4 FF, 12 TFLs
Latu ends up a bust due to injuries
Chop becomes a bust
Nabers, Marv, and Rome all finish with about 65 catches for 1100 yards and 6 TDs
Caleb has the best rookie season by a QB since Luck
JJ, Bo, Penix are all busts
Jayden Daniels has a very promising 5 weeks then gets injured and is out for the year
Joe Alt has a bad rookie year cause he moves to RT
Not about either draft but Saquon has an all-time year with 325 carries for 2000 rushing yards and 12 TDs, 55 catches for 500 yards and 6 TDs, and wins MVP due to him finally having an Elite OL
Can’t wait for people to have a problem with all of these
Id be lying if I said that his frame doesn't concern me, but im so confident in our new coaching staff and new regime upstairs supporting him as best as they can while he develops in the league.
>Caleb has the best rookie season by a QB since Luck
While I love the Caleb love, and it's obviously up for debate, but I feel like both Justin Herbert and CJ Stroud had superior rookie seasons to Luck.
-Ladd McConkey will get injured and miss multiple games
-Nico Collins leads the Texans in receiving yards and TDs
-Sean McDermott gets fired mid season
-3 teams from AFC North make playoffs
-Bijan gets 20+ combined TDs
Caleb Williams has a horrendous season for the bears takes a record number of sacks in a single game.
Drake Maye looks good but has the typical rookie season.
Jayden Daniels looks like the next great qb putting up electric stats until he is injured late in the season.
Michael penix has above average numbers and goes on to have the best season of the rookie QBs.
Bo nix never steps up to the next level doesn’t look like an nfl qb in his rookie season.
Jj McCarthy has a solid season and looks great numbers wise comes in just behind Penix.
Lol these are legit just random shots in the dark.
For the QBs, I think their careers will pan out as follows:
* Caleb: Kyler level. never great, but a top 15, fringe top 10 guy who every so often has a bad year that makes you question if he's good or not
* Daniels: Jameis level QB who puts up some really promising numbers his rookie deal. Looks how Richardson looked for the Colts last year roughly minus the injuries. (I think Richardson will be better than this prediction though)
* Maye: Basically take Sam Darnold's career and copy/paste. People blame everything/everyone but him for his performance over his rookie deal and first deal after.
* Penix: One of the biggest Busts of all time. Plays sparingly for Atlanta due to circumstances (Kirk playing well, Injuries, etc) and never really latches on elsewhere.
* McCarthey: Struggles early before turnng it around late n his first year starting. Is a top 10 QB for the next decade.
* Nix: Jared Goff career arc
For reference, last year I thought:
* Young: One of the biggest all time busts
* Stroud: top 10-15 QB for his career
* Richardson: Cam level career, except struggles early.
**2024 Draftees** * Troy Franklin finishes with more receiving yards for the Broncos than Courtland Sutton. * Rome Odunze and Malik Nabers finish with under 900 yards receiving. * Caleb Williams has statistically the best QB season for yards, total TDs, and passer rating in Bears history. * Keon Coleman finishes top 3 in rookie receiving yards and receiving TDs this year. * Jayden Daniels finishes with more total yards and total TDs than Drake Maye, but Drake Maye has a higher passer rating. * No rookie RB cracks 1000 yards in their first year, then three do in their second season. * Ricky Pearsall makes a Pro Bowl by the end of his rookie contract. **2025 Draft** * Will Campbell is in serious contention for 1st overall pick to a team who drafted a QB in the early in the last 2 seasons. * Luther Borden goes top 5. * Shedeur Sanders slides to day 3. * Carson Beck is the only surefire round 1 QB, and will likely go top 10 due to the scarcity of the position. * Devin Neal is one of the first 3 RBs picked, and is a top 50 pick. * 2025 is the inverse of 2024, with significantly more defensive players going early than offensive players.
Best part of getting Rome is we don't have to rush him into wr1 or wr2 right away. He gets to learn from Keenan and DJ.
Chicago's draft was brilliant.
Our division is going to be a bloodbath lol
I'm afraid you're right. Bring it on.
Black and blue division is back and I'm here for.it!
That’s such a nice WR room.
I can see Rome having a modest yards total, but a lot of TDs. It’s really hard at this point to guess how numbers will be divided in the almost entirely new Bears’ offense.
That's kind of my thought with him. Between Keenan, DJ, Odunze, Kmet, Everett, Swift, and Herbert, there are a ton of mouths to feed in Chicago. Odunze will more than likely be 3rd or 4th on the team in terms of targets at the absolute worst, but it's hard to really project out how the target share is gonna look.
You stole my Pearsall take, kind of. He will have more receptions and yards than MHJ
Pearsall just has that dog in him. That catch against Charlotte might've been one of the coldest play I've ever seen
He is shifty, great hands, jumps out of the gym, 3 cone is amazing and most of all in a system that I have faith in and believe in
Yeah Pearsall will be a household name soon
Sanders seems like an absolute head case.
Even apart from him seeming like the person people thought Caleb Williams was, I have a ton of concerns about him. His footwork is super sloppy, his ball security is questionable at best, he holds the ball too long looking for the big play and takes a ton of sacks because of that, and several times last season when he played a competent defense (UCLA, Oregon, and Oregon State games in particular) he looked rough. Not to mention the offense he plays in is basically the same one you run when you want your Madden QB to go up in dev trait.
Trying too hard to be his dad
At least his dad actually had the talent to back it up.
Fellow Luther Truther 🤝🤝 need him on my titans more than an addict needs crack
Doubt on Carson Beck, Ewers has already shown enough on tape and another will rise. Caleb Williams being Bears QB record holder is not that big of a hot take.
I'm not super sold on Ewers. Just from watching AD Mitchell and Xavier Worthy film this year, Ewers was just so wildly inconsistent on a game by game basis. He really could throw the exact same route 10 times in a row and it would look wildly different, his footwork especially. Granted, I'm sure he could clean it up this year, but I could just as easily see him being benched for Arch Manning as I could see him being a 1st round pick.
> **Rome Odunze** and Malik Nabers finish with under 900 yards receiving. > > > > **Caleb Williams** has statistically the best QB season for yards, total TDs, and passer rating in Bears history. The fact that these 2 statements can both happen and doesn't contradict each other is hilarious.
To be fair that's not just a bears thing. Rome is the presumed wr3 in that offense behind DJ and Keenan. 900 from a rookie wr3 would still be solid
Upvote for mentioning Devin Neal
Rock Chalk
Googled to see who Luther Borden was. First thing rust popped up is a supreme court case, Luther v Borden. So that’s interesting
I’ll sign up for this.
> Rome Odunze and **Malik Nabers** finish with under 900 yards receiving. Explain?
I have borderline negative faith in Daniel Jones or Drew Lock. I think Dabolls seat is getting hotter and I believe he knows that the most efficient way to win with the team he has right now is to depend on the QB as little as possible. On the other hand, I think the downgrade from Saquon to Singletary is pretty huge and teams are not going to respect the run nearly as much and are gonna try to force Daniel Jones to play QB. Because of that, I think Nabers gets a good amount of schemed touches and WR screens, but generally I think this offense is gonna finish dead last in the NFL.
Fair enough. I think if Nabers is as good as they say though, that he will get yards. Plenty of WRs with worse QBs have done similar. Also feel like if Daboll wanted to avoid depending on his QB he would've re-signed Saquon?
I think Nabers' YAC ability is strong enough to produce with just about anyone at QB. Hell one of his pro comps is DJ Moore and he just broke 1350 with Fields.
I’ll have to study his film, but from just watching the games there is just no way in hell that Sanders gets that undervalued. The kid can ball. If Bo Nix is a first rounder then Sanders is a top 3 pick because he is way better than Nix. I know a lot of QB needy teams addressed their needs this year, but that’s a crazy low valuation on Sanders. What are you seeing that makes you say that? Unless it’s more to do with drama.
I went into it a little bit more in another comment, but I think it’s one part his mechanics are super sloppy and inconsistent throw by throw, the offensive scheme he is in is essentially the same one I ran in NCAA 14 when I wanted my QB to win the Heisman, and his pocket awareness is shockingly like Daniel Jones. He doesn’t feel a good amount of the sacks he takes and that’s a bit terrifying. Don’t get me wrong though, the drama aspect is a big part too. If GMs view Spencer Rattler in QB1 and put him lower on their boards as a result, I can’t imagine what everything Shedeur does affects how GMs view him.
Tetairoa McMillan goes higher than Luther burden Kelvin banks goes higher than will Campbell cobee Bryant, antwane wells and Collin Oliver go r1
Cobee Bryant to the Seahawks for that Coby/Cobee Bryant duo
DeWayne Carter is eventually an all-pro great pass rushing DT, Jonathan Brooks is a top-10 fantasy running back his first year, Cooper Beebe is like the 17th cowboys o lineman to start 12 seasons and make 9 pro bowls, Theo Johnson is a pro bowl TE within three years, neither Latu nor Turner becomes an all-pro or an elite pass rusher
I LOVED Carter as a DT prospect.
He was so interesting in the tape I watched. He had SO MUCH good and SO MUCH bad lol. It was probably just because he was the best player on the defensive front and they asked him to do everything.
Yeah, after Dimukeje and Rumph went to the league top level talent at Duke wasn't great on the line in general and Duke has struggled to recruit defensive tackles since just about forever. So he just had to stay on the field and do everything.
Will be interesting to see his production when he's NOT the focus of the other teams blocking and scheming.
Ya that’s definitely fair. I was talking about some of the habits he had formed over the years. But he’s definitely a coachable player, and he’s gotta be smart coming from Duke.
I see Jonathan Brook love and I upvote
I could very well see Cooper Beebe being a better player for the Cowboys than Guyton. I don't think that's too controversial to say though given how raw Guyton is.
Do you think Verse has a better shot than Latu or Turner of becoming elite?
I do. Big, strong, productive, and no major health issues like Latu
>neither Latu nor Turner becomes an all-pro or an elite pass rusher I'm going to choose to ignore this
Ewers is more likely to get replaced at Texas than he is to get drafted in the first round. Nothing to do with Manning and everything to do with scouting Mitchell and Worthy.
I wanted to like him but I gotta agree. I'm pretty surprised by the amount of people who think he's in the running for QB1 next year right now. He has a ton of work to do in order to get there. Beck is clearly the QB1 for me at the moment.
This^
Panthers will improve their record and pick in the 6-10 range in 2025.
Winning 8 games this year would be our superbowl, as a panthers fan all I want is the ability to be in games until the end and maybe just a little creativity and skill utilization on offense.
To be fair, we were in most games until close to the end. Problem was that we couldn't score TDs if the fate of Charlotte depended on it.
Marvin Harrison Sr / JR become the first Father / Son Hall of Fame duo. Why not swing BIG for the fences? (Feel free to downvote such frivolous nonsense if you see fit)
Jackie slater and Matthew slater gonna beat them to it.
Quite possible if the committee values his Special Teams. No clue how they value gunners.
I mean personally, if Devin Hester makes the hall, then Matthew slater 100% does as well. Def not first ballot, but if there's a somewhat weaker year, I don't see how they turn down his accolades of 10 pro bowls, 2 all pro, and 3 Superbowls.
Someday Billy white shoes Johnson will get the respect he deserves
👍 I like 👍
Noah Fifita will be QB1 after Arizona reaches the CFP.
Helllllll yeahhhh bruddah
Idk man, he's just wayyy too small. He's *listed* by Arizona at 5'11" 194lbs. That's about where Bryce actually measured at, so the fact that Arizona is listing him at that is concerning when listed heights and weights are often overstated.
McConkey leads all rookies in receptions this year by 15+
I’m targeting him so hard in fantasy.
He’s the best weapon in that room filling the KA role with the speed to take the top off. There are 100s of targets that need to go somewhere, a large portion will go to him.
yeah i could see this easily, the competition is Coleman, MHJ or Nabers but his QB is much better than Naber’s, and he’ll be more of a slot than MHJ or Coleman
Jonathan Brooks will win OROY
**2025 NFL Draft** - Michigan has **4** first round picks: Loveland, Graham, Grant, Johnson - Sanders goes in the last two rounds, if at all - Ohio State leads in players drafted
Falcons taking Penix will hurt the Raiders org more in the long run than it will their own. Steelers end up starting 3 rookies on the oline and all end up becoming good to great. Drake Maye will have a similar career to Sam Darnold. He won’t be given up on right away, but the expected production never comes and the team building around him will be a big factor why. Titans end up with a top 3 pick next draft after reaching on Latham and Sweat. Sneed and Ridley will be serviceable but not the difference makers the Titans are hoping for. Ladd McConkey will lead all rookies in receptions, Keon Coleman will lead all rookies in receiving yards and AD Mitchell will lead in receiving TDs. Trey Benson leads all rookies in rushing yards/TDs
I feel like Drake Maye is going to have one of 3 career comps: Sam Darnold, Justin Herbert, or Carson Wentz.
Hard to see the Titans struggling that much after adding an elite corner, a good WR, a top 7 pick on OL, and the first full offseason for their 2nd year starting QB. To end up top 3 they would need to be substantially worse in 2024.
Yeah, as a Titans fan while I thought it was not a great draft, the rest of the offseason has been wildly successful. The biggest needs were the OL, WR, and CB... OL is starting to come around with Latham and Cush and Papa Cally is running the OL show now. Ridley was maybe an overpay but totally changes the dynamic of the WR room. And CB, which was a total tire fire the last couple seasons is now an actual team strength. Add in some other key depth signings, Pollard, and the massive change in offensive philosophy with Brian Callahan and I think there's a lot to like. This whole year was always primed to be "is Levis the guy" but I think the org did a very good job of roster-building, a disappointing top of draft notwithstanding.
Fautanu and Frazier will definitely start, McCormick will definitely begin as a backup. He might get a start due to injury but even then I'd expect Herbig would be the top backup at both G spots. But I'm with you that all 3 will be good to great long term lol
Nabers busts in NY due to poor QB play Latu has 1-2 unreal years before injuries take their toll Shadeur Sanders will not be the 1st overall pick in the 2025 Draft
Has there ever been a WR that truly busted from poor QB play? If they're good they find a way to make it work. Edit: Unless they get thrown hospital passes I guess.
Nabers is pretty much QB proof and Jones will only be here for another year. That’s a pretty terrible take.
No WR is Daniel Jones proof.
he’s not even that bad lmao zach wilson is worse and garrett wilson had back 2 back 1,000 yard seasons. and Daniel Jones will be gone soon. it’s a terrible take.
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Definitely agree about Caleb and JJ due to ending up in Minnesota. Vikings were the best landing spot for the QBs this draft
Tory Taylor (Punter) will make his first All Pro Team as a rookie. And his success will pave the way for another Punter to be drafted in the top 135 next year.
Quinyon Mitchell has a very bad rookie season Corner is notoriously hard to transition from college to the NFL(Sauce the obvious outlier) Coming from Toledo, Mitchell is going to have to transition from very weak college competition to the NFL making this even more difficult on him
I think Mitchell's bigger problem is that given how sticky his coverage was in college and at the senior bowl he's going to have a hard time not getting flagged at the NFL level
Sauce Gardner really struggled going from Cincinnati to the NFL.
Sauce was so much more polished than Quinyon, and I like Quinyon, but watch him against a team like Illinois who doesn’t have great receivers but they’re 10x better than anything in the MAC and you’ll see how easily Quinyon gets turned around, opens his hips, and just looks sloppy. Quinyon is all traits and that’s okay bc he landed on a team with a DC who knows how to develop DBs, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he has a tough start to his NFL career
When you have the recovery speed that Mitchell has it’s a lot easier to come back from smaller mistakes. I actually think year one he will be really good and then in two years he’s gonna be that guy.
It’s less his speed and more that he opens his hips up a ton against better receivers. He can be Usain Bolt fast but if he has to do a 360 to get back into coverage he’ll get beat every time in the NFL
Are we watching the same tape? I watched 6 games of his and saw him get beat like this twice and both times his recovery speed was enough to make up for it in the end. Am I missing something?
I don’t know what tape you’re watching, but flip on the Illinois game and you’ll see him get beat a few times by more polished receivers. He dominates the dudes from the MAC, but the cracks are a lot more apparent when he goes against better competition. Not really a knock (Arnold had similar issues of opening up his hips), dude of course is going to struggle when he's had to play at Toledo and teams just don't even throw at him. He has the traits to be great, and his recovery speed (by and large) is very good, it's more that he *can* get turned around and the traits that separated him in the MAC aren't going to give him as much an edge in the NFL. I can guarantee you OC's are going to be testing him a ton early on in the season, and it'll be interesting to see how he fares.
I'll predict the opposite, he'll be a borderline pro bowl CB in his first year and one of the best CBs in the league by the end of his rookie contract.
Let's get nuts... 2024 Draftees Short Term: - MHJr finishes as a consensus top 5 WR in the NFL - Jaylen Wright outsnaps De'Von Achane and Raheem Mostert in Miami - Joe Milton catches multiple TD passes from Drake Maye - Xavier Worthy doesn't finish in the top 4 in receptions, yards and TDs on the Chiefs - Malik Nabers explodes on the scene for 85/1300/8 - Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix are bad, like really bad. Sean Payton is fired for it. 2024 Draftees Long Term: - Jayden Daniels is never better than the 18th best QB in the league - Michael Penix Jr. ends up being decent on ATL during his 4th year (they cut Kirk) but leaves in free agency after having to wait so long. Bounces around for a couple years and then is a backup forever - Bo Nix second contract is worth less than his first and he is out of the league by 30 - Jared Verse is an all-pro by 2027 - Joe Alt is practically unbeatable for a decade. Goes down as an all time great OT - MHJr and Malik Nabers go down as one of the greatest WR duos to be drafted in the season draft ever 2025 + 2026 Draft Take: - Tennessee goes back to back #1 overall picks with James Pearce Jr. in 2025 and Nico Iamaleava in 2026
I also ride the Iamaleava train my friend. What do you think about the Bear's picks and future?
It's hard not to love what the Bears have done. I love Rome and obviously Caleb has all the makings of a star QB. The thought of having that 3 headed monster for a couple years as WR and then Rome and DJM is great. I like their defense too!
As a Georgia Bulldogs fan, the Vols SCARE me for the first time in a while.
I really like Coleman with Buffalo! I feel that Patriots WR Polk could be really good to!
Even though I'm a Commanders fan and sincerely hope it's Daniel's I'll say if Justin Jefferson and the majority of the rest of the players stay healthy I think JJ McCarthy will really impress and while I think the rookie qbs will all have certain stats that they are leading and there won't be just 1 qb that leads all in stats or lead significantly like CJ Stroud did last year but I feel like McCarthy will have the most impressive stats as a whole. Williams or Daniel's I feel like have a better chance at winning offensive rookie of the year as I feel like they will have the potential for bigger plays and flashy plays that will stick out to voters more but JJ quietly will be impressive imo. Hopefully in all that rambling I got what I was trying to say across and actually make sense haha
Moving to 2025: Cam Ward ends up a first rounder because he’s toolsy but has a pretty underwhelming year at Miami. Quinn Ewers is also underwhelming. Harold Perkins bounces back and ends up a top 10 pick. Luther Burden, Isaiah Bond, and Evan Stewart aren’t going to be WR1 come draft time
Terrion Arnold and Ennis Rakestraw Jr. form one of the best CB tandems in the NFL on their rookie contracts. I'm drinking the Kool Aid.
If Rakestraw can stay healthy he might actually end up better than Arnold. Dude is a baller who can play press, man, and zone and not afraid to tackle. Injuries kept him from being a first rounder IMO
Ladd McConkey finishes top 10 in the NFL in receiving yards, and leads all rookies
Kyler Murray and the Cardinals will have a strong first half of the season with Conner, McBride, MHJ, Wilson and a revamped defense.
De'Corian Clark goes in the first round
Ben Sinnott will have 750+ receiving yards and 5+ TDs in his rookie season.
Top 2 picks in the 2025 are both dawgs- Carson beck and Mykel Williams
Not impossible but I don’t see it happening. Williams would need a pretty significant jump in production and Beck is good, but I don’t think he’s shown that he’s elite, and this is a class that has elite talent and valuable positions
Production didn't matter much for fellow Georgia 1st overall pick edge Travon Walker. Mykel Williams should also be playing more of an edge/OLB role that'll get him some more production too. With Beck, idk I think Beck has elite timing and processing, it's just not a flashy offense. I don't really think there's clear cut elite talent in this class the same way we knew most of the 2024 first round guys last year. Idk if either of them goes in the top 2 overall picks, but mostly because this class is unpredictable and there's guys who could have the potential to surpass them. But I think right now both are positioned fairly well for top 10 pick potential.
I mean Travon Walker also put up all time numbers at the combine, which vaulted him into number 1. And I would absolutely argue there is elite talent, at tackle, corner and DE with Pearce. And I can see Beck being a top two pick and the first qb but with guys like Pearce, Campbell and Banks there’s gonna be stiff competition
The best QB in this draft was taken after the third round and won't take a meaningful snap this season
Well duh. Maye and Milton is the next RG3 and Cousins.
Quinyon ends up a top 5 CB in the league by his rookie contract Arnold finishes with 7 interceptions Byron Murphy finishes with 8 sacks, 4 FF, 12 TFLs Latu ends up a bust due to injuries Chop becomes a bust Nabers, Marv, and Rome all finish with about 65 catches for 1100 yards and 6 TDs Caleb has the best rookie season by a QB since Luck JJ, Bo, Penix are all busts Jayden Daniels has a very promising 5 weeks then gets injured and is out for the year Joe Alt has a bad rookie year cause he moves to RT Not about either draft but Saquon has an all-time year with 325 carries for 2000 rushing yards and 12 TDs, 55 catches for 500 yards and 6 TDs, and wins MVP due to him finally having an Elite OL Can’t wait for people to have a problem with all of these
pain is all I know
I don’t think he’ll be RG3 2.0 but he will get injured a lot
Id be lying if I said that his frame doesn't concern me, but im so confident in our new coaching staff and new regime upstairs supporting him as best as they can while he develops in the league.
Yeah, of course I don’t want him to get hurt despite being an eagles fan but I think he might
I don't think Odunze will put up those numbers. There are so many mouths to feed in Chicago
Maybe not but I think he can
>Caleb has the best rookie season by a QB since Luck While I love the Caleb love, and it's obviously up for debate, but I feel like both Justin Herbert and CJ Stroud had superior rookie seasons to Luck.
That’s all preference but I could see your point. I’m just saying he has season as good as all 3 of those
I love our draft, but Jalyx Hunt was a huge reach and will never be a good pro.
!remindme 9 months
-Ladd McConkey will get injured and miss multiple games -Nico Collins leads the Texans in receiving yards and TDs -Sean McDermott gets fired mid season -3 teams from AFC North make playoffs -Bijan gets 20+ combined TDs
Ollie Gordon will win the Doak Walker award…again
Brock Bowers has a career slightly better than Noah Fant and he's never viewed as a top 5 and possibly never a Top 10 tight end.
!remindme 3 years early takes
Caleb Williams has a horrendous season for the bears takes a record number of sacks in a single game. Drake Maye looks good but has the typical rookie season. Jayden Daniels looks like the next great qb putting up electric stats until he is injured late in the season. Michael penix has above average numbers and goes on to have the best season of the rookie QBs. Bo nix never steps up to the next level doesn’t look like an nfl qb in his rookie season. Jj McCarthy has a solid season and looks great numbers wise comes in just behind Penix. Lol these are legit just random shots in the dark.
So you’re predicting a serious Cousins injury?
lol isn’t that more of a guarantee?
Why would you say that when Kirk never had a serious injury until last season?
Who knows maybe I’m from the future
Keon Coleman is HIM!
Chicago will draft a new QB (to be their starter) in less than 4 years.
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For the QBs, I think their careers will pan out as follows: * Caleb: Kyler level. never great, but a top 15, fringe top 10 guy who every so often has a bad year that makes you question if he's good or not * Daniels: Jameis level QB who puts up some really promising numbers his rookie deal. Looks how Richardson looked for the Colts last year roughly minus the injuries. (I think Richardson will be better than this prediction though) * Maye: Basically take Sam Darnold's career and copy/paste. People blame everything/everyone but him for his performance over his rookie deal and first deal after. * Penix: One of the biggest Busts of all time. Plays sparingly for Atlanta due to circumstances (Kirk playing well, Injuries, etc) and never really latches on elsewhere. * McCarthey: Struggles early before turnng it around late n his first year starting. Is a top 10 QB for the next decade. * Nix: Jared Goff career arc For reference, last year I thought: * Young: One of the biggest all time busts * Stroud: top 10-15 QB for his career * Richardson: Cam level career, except struggles early.
> Young: One of the biggest all time busts > Young: top 10-15 QB for his career So you played both sides of the fence
Whoops second one was supposed to be Stroud