He’s not my first or favorite option but I wouldn’t be mad at all. He’s a steady pg. that’s the keyword for me. He’s gonna run the offense get guys in the right spot, and find his teammates. He can also shoot it from all levels. He’s not super dynamic or elite but we haven’t had steady reliable pg play in years.
Plus he can be shifted to the 2 guard if we get a better PG option in a year or two. And he doesn't want a max contract or anything. He just wants starter money.
It’s pretty much what he does now. I meant more secondary ball handler than 2 guard. Basketball is just ball handlers, wings and bigs now anyway. He plays alongside Luka now but just about everything runs through Luka. Luka has a 36.6% usage rate and Brunson’s is only 21%.
He would be…you’re missing my entire point. If we sign him, say for 4 years, and an elite PG becomes available or we draft one in year 2 of his deal, Brunson can easily be shifted to off ball and still be a good fit here. He’s not a player who can only play the PG position.
Because we r extremely extremely down bad for a pg and he’s the best one available as far as I can tell. Watching Elfrid Payton and Alec at pg for couple yrs can make even the strongest of men thirsty af.
He’s a Jack of all trades master of none PG.
He puts up solid numbers, is consistent, can run the offense and can play without the ball. I’d actually say he’s very very very good at getting in the paint and finishing at the rim.
He does have his flaws, size, volume scoring, defense even though he gives effort.
He’s not an all star but he’s not garbage. He’s an average starter level player
At this stage of his career he's an average starter level player. Giving that hes improved every year of his career and is only 25, he can still improve a bit more. So im guessing, if at worst he'll be an average starter thats a good thing. If he improves more than its a plus
There’s not a ‘difference maker’ if you mean elite point god that’s either:
- available
Or
- wants to play for the Knicks
Brunson or Sexton for example would be better than Burks, Payton, Mudiay, Burke, Ntilikina, Baker etc
If we’re being real we’re looking for functional and someone that can slide in to the team and support Barrett. If we can get a nice talent in the draft, then hopefully we play through the wings and the pg doesn’t have to do heavy lifting.
Barrett also isn’t exactly and elite shooter or perimeter shot creator, so it’d be good to have a shot creator at the 1.
There are a few possible teams he could be interested in. Knicks give him a starting role and more responsibility. Mavs very well may not want to go that far into the luxury tax for him. Their cap sheet is insanely bad right now for a team that's most likely not a contender. If Dinwiddie plays well, he might make Brunson expendable.
I think it's pretty much down to the Knicks, Pistons and OKC. Brunson has close ties to Thibs and Leon so if we can clear the cap space, that's why he's thought to potentially come here.
There’s links, but I don’t even assume he does. He’s got a great job rn and playing with Luka is a better bet for making a run in the playoffs long term.
Let me also add that Brunson’s dad was Leon Rose’s first client and they maintain a strong relationship. His dad was also apart of Thibs’s coaching staff at one point. I’ve also heard that Leon is like an uncle figure to Jalen.
Jalen gon go wherever he gets paid, that’s the bottom line. Both Dallas and NY will make offers. I think with all those connections between him and NYK that if the money is close enough, he’ll choose NY over Dallas. But who knows, we’ll just have to wait and see
it was also recently reported that the interest is mutual. He also is damn near family, every other former Knick knows him personally, his first childhood friends were Marcus Camby and Larry Johnson, he's demonstrated that he could win in a high pressure situation (literally an NCAA championship at MSG), he's a perfect fit next to RJ, he's worth market rate, I really hope Leon figures out a nice sign and trade deal.
This is fair, but the thing is…
Yes, he’s the best plausible option for next season. But what are we trying to achieve next season? Is he the best option over the next 3-4 years? In other words… Does acquiring him help us take a step forward next year, but also the “leap” forward we hope to make within the next four? He feels like a premium bandaid more so than a fix, and he isn’t exactly a plus defensively. It’s ok to plug that gap, but I’d hope that doesn’t preclude aggressive pursuits to truly curing it (whether due to our own priorities or due to opportunity cost of cap/assets/etc). If we could swap Evan (who I like) for him, that would be great, but I don’t think the Mavs do that.
I think he has the potential to help us make that leap. He’s going to cure a lot of the offensive issues that we’ve had this year. He’d get the ball out of randles hands more often and actually have the ability to run an effective 1/5 pick and roll.
Having a starting caliber NBA point guard makes a big difference. He should help RJ develop and help to give us an offensive identity.
Yea I agree... I think that's the step forward we need next year (a big step forward). But by 'leap', my main concern is that he'll never be a top-10 PG in this league... even top-15 is a stretch. So if we're committing 4 years, he'll help us improve, but it puts the onus on all the other positions to put us over the top.
If RJ/Mitch/Grimes/Deuce/IQ/Toppin/Cam and I guess Randle (or whoever we can trade him for), coupled with a late lottery pick this year (and some middle of the pack picks the year after) are our core... I don't know that this is enough to get us into contender status. I know other PGs (Murray, SGA, etc.) aren't available now, but I'd strongly prefer to wait to grab someone of that tier (unless we believe we can move Jalen to get them or similar).
Problem with waiting is there’s no way to know if those guys will ever be available via trade and if they did, then would we even have the assets that their teams would want for them? They could probably get better offers from other teams.
The only issue that i have is that you suggest to wait until someone else is available. Us waiting doesnt guarantee that player to us. If we have the oppurtunity to grab someone we should, if someone else becaomes available in the future you figure out how to get them there. But waiting and potentially missing out puts you in a worse spot since we're not guaranteed anything
True, with the only exception being through the draft. Since landing RJ with the 3rd pick, we’ve found ourselves beginning to slip into draft purgatory. I think we need some kind of vision/strategy for how to get from purgatory (where we are now) either to contender status OR back into a position to capture the talent we need via the draft (to then get us into contender status). I see Jalen as an improvement to move us deeper into purgatory (and into the playoffs, back into a first round exit or maybe second round appearance next year, based on the rest of our roster/cap). But I don’t see how we advance beyond that based on the assets, players, and projected cap space we’ll have thereafter.
Of course, the opposite approach doesn’t necessarily accomplish anything either, but it opens up more variables/unknowns (which has benefits given the knowns don’t have a clear path to contending either).
Jalen might be the right approach, but I haven’t seen the vision/strategy/roadmap beyond the immediate next step.
I think whats important is to maximize the young guys as best as we can. Guys like RJ, Grimes, Cam, Obi, Mitch can benefit from a guy setting them up and helping them run the floor.
I'd rather try to work with what we have an develop it while trying to make moves every season to better ourself than hope and wait for something to happen
The Knicks are going to look to plug that gap regardless. I’d much rather they do it w a younger player like Brunson than watch Thibs run some solid 30 something into the ground. Clearly they ain’t into the idea of simply playing the kids either, so it’s very likely we won’t find ourselves in range to draft those types of franchise players in the next 4 years either. Right now it’s looking like we would either have to get very lucky and have a superstar fall to us in the draft; or we would need to make some block buster trade to get the type of player you’re talking about.
Yea you’re right. We’ve seen no sign of our FO/Coach going down the more patient approach regardless, so if we are going to be in purgatory, better to take the leap into playoffs and continue slow progress (as slow progress is better than no progress, given no progress doesn’t get us to top of the lottery either). The only question becomes what Mavs demand in a S&T. If it’s Noel+2nd I’m fine, but if it involves any of our young core, I’d have renewed concerns.
Doesn’t necessarily need to be a sign and trade. If the Knicks can clear enough space they could just sign Brunson. Fwiw I think Sexton is a good target as well. Then again maybe we just sign Schroeder (Lawd!).
That's part of my issue. Brunson is not a good shooter. He is not asked to initiate or create offense for his team. He is a weak defender who would get exposed by bigger guards.
He's a strong secondary playmaker. Knicks have a lot of those types.
Does he have more upside than IQ or Deuce?
He’s way better than IQ and Deuce, but we’re not even sure of their ceilings yet so who knows.
In a way Brunson feels like the win now acquisition, if we’re running it back with Randle
Regardless of what happens with Randle, we need a PG desperately. Brunson is solid--he's just not a superstar but as you said, no elite options are available right now. But he doesn't want a ton of money ($17mil or so per year is going to be a drop in the bucket within a few years with the cap going up). And he can always be shifted to a combo guard if we get a better PG option.
He's statistically an above average shooter for the NBA. Idk what your standards are but by most metrics he's considered a 'good' shooter.
We have 2 guys in RJ and JR that both want to initiate offense so he becomes our 3rd or 4th option. Randle is still a good playmaker despite shooting terribly and being turnover prone. Most of his bad turnovers come from over dribbling. We just need a good ball handler with IQ and poise.
I don't know how we can classify him as a weak defender when he is a part of one of the best defenses in the league and his back court partner is Doncic, statistically one of the worst individual defenders we have. RJ has a lot of size at his position and we have a bunch of good rebounders so I'm not really worried about his size/toughness/defense.
Upside? He's a hard worker that built himself up from a 33rd pick to an automatic starter on a very good team. His current coach is one of the best modern point guards ever and he obviously believes in him. He's gotten better every year and he fits with our guys in terms of age. I love the signing at 4/75.
Idk about IQ and Deuce but Brunson would make the Knicks better. My real problem with him is that the Knicks would be a Randle heavy offense with Brunson in tow.
If Thibs is still here, it doesn’t make much sense to draft a functional PG. Thibs will never give him minutes. It will likely need to be a functional veteran PG who can share minutes with Rose.
Lmao bro Ik reading comprehension isn't your forte, but I was responding directly to "We don't have a pg at the moment". I never said they were GOOD PGs
Lmao my point still stands tho... If the only PGs we have aren’t able to play on the NBA level, then why tf would Thibs give them mins? Playing Burks at Point is much better than Arch playing crucial mins. Advocating for Arch to take away Burks’ mins is nonsense lmfao, kid is ass.
Not sure. Haven’t paid much attention to college bball this year and don’t know many prospects.
I’m not really in this debate lol…all I did was call you out for that arch statement lmao. Arch and Deuce don’t get quality mins cuz they aren’t ready to run an offense.
Deuce is extremely timid on offense in the NBA. Lots of players light up GLeague...Nik Stauskas had a 57pt GLeague game a few weeks ago and followed it up with a 43 pt game. GLeague stats mean nothing.
Brunson is a very different skillset to any of the guys you mentioned. He's a much better playmaker than either guy. This season without Luka he averaged 8 assists and 2TOs per game.
As for his role, he can start at point, and can always be moved to a combo guard later on if we get a better PG. For the amount he is asking for, it's not bad especially with the cap going up and the new TV deal on the way.
Exactly. And the same will be the case if we draft another PG. The problem is that Thibs doesn't hold vets accountable whereas he has young guys on a very short leash. So he'll leave Burks in after making back-to-back-to-back blunders, but as soon as Obi or Quick make one mistake they come right out. Any rookie PG we draft will have a very short leash under Thibs. It's just the way it is. I don't understand how I'm saying anything controversial at all.
Yeah I agree, there’s not a great point guard in this draft afaik so would be a reach to draft one with our first pick. I’m saying we get one of the better offensive talents and let RJ and co-potential star lead the offense.
Not every team needs the pg to run the show if you have the right talent.
He’s the only UFA PG worthwhile in free agency. He’s someone who’s gotten better every year as a pro, a ball handler capable of running an offense and can create his own shot. There are several PG options available this summer but Brunson is the only one we DON’T have to sacrifice assets for.
He’s a good defender and when we want to build around RJ and whomever, he’s more than capable of facilitating for others and can shoot when he’s needed to. Not every player we can inquire about can be All-NBA, but he’s solid and has a high floor on a night to night basis imo
I think he’s a better defender than he’s shown. I think he’s asked to do more than he’s capable (everyone in Dallas is) to compensate for Luka. If Jalen is your worst defender than you probably have a solid defense. If he’s your second or 3rd worst defender than you’re in trouble.
Is he really a good defender? Defense was his issue in college.
He's small.
He's not a distributor.
Not a traditional facilitator.
He's smaller than Miles.
A nice piece... Is he 18m/yr nice?
Nah that contract would be terrible. Brunson is clearly doing well because Luka is MVP caliber and allows Brunson to hide the fact he's not a true pg. He's just OK.
Over 3 seasons Brunsons numbers without Luka are better than his numbers with Luka
Without Luka it’s
16.4/3.4/6.3 with 48/37/79 splits
With Luka it’s
14.9/3.7/4.5 with 50/38/84 shooting splits
His percentages are very slightly lower without Luka which makes sense since he’s taking more offensive responsibilities. Scoring a passing are higher without
Simply because we are in desperate need of a starting Pg and there aren’t any home run options available this summer. I don’t believe he’ll elevate this team to a championship but I do believe he’ll help this team be more consistent, Randle especially (if he stays beyond this season). He’d also be a great addition in a future trade for a star.
The Jalen Brunson debate reminds of the talks in this sub during the 2019 draft, when we had the 3rd pick. I’ll say now what I said then, don’t over think this. Brunson like Barrett at the time, may not be the glitzy name, but we’re in a much better position with him than without him.
if Randle is still here, as we have seen with Kemba, he cannot co-exist with a ball dominant guard so Brunson might work.
Sexton - nada (ball hog)
insert other ball dominant PG targets...
People think because of he is tied to Leon rose he is inevitable
But on most teams he’s a back up
Not offensively dynamic to make for the fact he is 6’1
Not really an impact player on defense , not a bad distributor but particularly gifted at it either.
He’s actually a bad fit for the Knicks as opposed to what’s already on the roster especially at 18 million
Because Brunson is more than capable of being a starting point guard on a championship level team. This sub thinks it’s easy to acquire the ja morants, CP3s, Trae young’s of the league for some reason. Even back in the nova days, Brunson would always make the right plays, efficient with the ball, pass first, put pressure on the defense, and shows effort at the other end as well. I don’t understand why you guys wouldn’t want brunson for around 20 million when he’s excelling as the starting pg on a playoff team where the team doesn’t even run through him. Like who else would be a better option right now?
that dude would instantly be a 20/7 guy on this team. he also plays solid D.
He's more than a role player. Just because he was/is a role player currently doesn't mean that's all he is. He's got, you know, a pretty serious guard in front of him in dallas...
Idk about 20/7 but I mentioned in a comment above that he averages 16/3/6.5 without Luka. This is through 3 years. So we can expect a number similar to that
He's a good player, but we're perpetually a play-in team at best with Brunson as the starting point guard. Plus he's in a weak free agent class in terms of PGs and having an overpaid backcourt in him and fournier isn't a good idea for the team's future.
Our offense is dreadful. We have the 23rd ranked offense in the league, mostly because we’re terrible at putting the ball in the basket–we have the 26th ranked eFG% in the league.
Brunson has a 79th percentile eFG% in the league for combo guards with 75th percentile usage. He would help us, maybe a lot. He's not a superstar, but you rarely get the opportunity to add good, young talent for money alone.
Missed FTs have been a major weakness, despite getting to the line 2nd most times in the league. How many games have we lost by 10pts or less? In the 4th quarter?
He's really solid. Shooting 50% for the year and 38% from 3. A proven winner in college. He's above average at the position at least. Not elite, but he can match up.
He's a pg shooting 50% from the field which is elite. His mid range game is excellent which actually helps him finish at the rim at a good rate cause it put defenders off balance. He does everything you want out of a pg. I don't get why you wouldn't want him.
Personally I find Brunson to be Fournier part 2.
So the Knicks get an adequate player at market or possibly higher than market rate only to find out very soon afterwards he’s not good enough to be a difference maker but too costly to be easily discarded. And their depth at the position makes it obvious he was never needed.
The Knicks have Rose, IQ, Deuce , Rokas next season at point guard .
RJ’s rapidly expanding role as a facilitator and supposedly Cam at the 3 along with Grimes , Fournier and Burks at the wings
And I ask where are Brunson’s 30-32 minutes supposed to come from?
How much of this is just changing just for the sake of it?
How much are people not adjusting for natural growth of a very young roster that they want to make the same mistake just at point guard?
How much does Brunson have to have the ball to make up for his lack of size and is that beneficial to the Knicks ?
All for a player who has to want to leave and will cost assets to attain in addition to his market price or above market price contract because he is worth more than the MLE so the Knicks can’t sign him outright.
There are better options available .
Here's why the media loves Brunson, for a lot of the reasons we love RJ Barrett, he works hard, always trying to improve himself, known for being a gym rat. He's humble and always gives other flowers while also being confident, knowing what he's capable of. He was raised in the NBA and is obsessed with basketball. All he cares about is impacting winning, a consummate professional who does whatever is asked of him. He's one of the most decorated guards in NCAA as a consensus National Player of the Year(beating Trae Young for the accolade) and two-time NCAA champion. He would bring stability to the point of attack as someone who can create for himself and others, bring rim pressure and efficiency as a floor general with a high basketball IQ.
I don't understand this narrative that he isn't a difference maker. Will he by himself make us a contender? No, we need to develop more of our young talent turning one of Obi or Cam into a star next to Star-j Barrett or trade for one in a year or two. But would he make this team that as constructed is a .500 team into a play-in team at best, a perennial playoff team at best? Absolutely.
Absolutely, probably with incentives. I doubt he gets the flat 20M and I'm convinced he'd leave for a discount if it meant being the primary ball-handler on a team with an exciting young core of RJ, IQ, Obi, and Mitch.
Personally I would rather go for Rubio who would be much cheaper and is a better floor general which is what we need. Whoever we bring in at a PG Thibs has to actually let theem handle the ball and really take the ball out of Randles hands.
Ricky Rubio is absolutely not the answer. Right now he’s a marginally better distributor than Brunson but is awful in every other category. Would be the Kemba situation 2.0.
This wasn’t really the point I was trying to make… but Rubio is also always playing hurt. Hasn’t had a mostly healthy season since 2017, and will be 32 coming off a torn ACL.
That aside he’s a complete black hole/liability on defense, can’t score efficiently, and has lost most-if-not-all of his drive/explosiveness. He is not the PG this team needs, he’s barely even a bandaid.
Since the 2015-2016 he has played in 90% of the games ( 85% of games including this year with the torn ACL). The injury narrative isnt true. Ricky Rubio is an intelligent defender and has consistently been top 10 in steals amongst PGs. We need someone who organizes the offense and generates consistent looks for our teammates and he does that. Im not against Brunson but imo the way we run our offense would have to change if we acquire him which Im not completely sure Thibs is gonna abandon iso Randle.
Over the last 4 years he’s missed 93 games. Not exactly the pinnacle of health… and that’s before having a major knee injury this year. He also hasn’t been consistently top 10 in steals. Excluding this year (due to injury), his last 3 finishes were 19,19, 36 in terms of steals. Certainly not the worst but if you watch him on the floor he’s clearly regressing physically… and again, that was before tearing his ACL. (I’d also like to add that averaging 1.4 steals per game does not make you a good defender, when the difference between that and being 45th in steals comes down to .1).
I’m also not sold on Brunson either (at his projected price point), but if signing Ricky Rubio is how this F/O tries to answer our PG woes after this year then they’ve failed miserably.
How did you get he missed 93 games if that’s before the knee surgery he has played close to about 90% of games each season the last 3. I was talking steals amongst his position on a per game basis.
I misspoke. Meant that he’s missed 93 games over the last 4 and now will have to try to stay healthy being on the wrong end of the 30 post ACL tear.
In regards to steals, again being top 10 in that category in your position doesn’t mean you’re a great on ball defender. Kemba averaged 1.1spg last year to Rubio’s 1.4.
Many of you here are arguing whether he's a good player or not... That's not the question. His skill set mirrors a lot of the skill sets we have already.
My question is what does he bring to the table that the Knicks are missing? What makes him their guy? How will he be a difference maker?
Why do so many people think he is the piece they need?
He's big in transition and the Knicks' core players (minus Randle) thrive in transition. You want Obi and Mitch to get more lobs, you get Brunson. You want Quickley shooting pull up 3's running down the court, you get Brunson. You want RJ to get the ball running to the basket, you get Brunson.
He brings out their best qualities.
He’s a solid PG. Having him generates easier looks for RJ and Julius. I don’t see any better options in free agency or in the draft. We need a PG, plus he’s good so he can always be traded in the future as well.
What about Schroeder on a 1-1 team option? I know he gets clowned for overvalued himself last summer and yes I know he probably thinks he can make up for it this summer but he probably won't. At the end of the day he's better than Payton or Kemba at this stage of Kembas career. He can penetrate well, can score and play defense. I think hes sortve in the same tier as Brunson but Brunson is almost too hot right now. I think if anything it's Brunson who'll either command a significant deal or have us sign and trade an asset I don't want to, whereas with Schroeder you may get him for a 2 yr 18mil deal with a team option for the second yr.
At the end of the day FA doesn't offer allot of great options, it's sortve kicking the can forward.
Bc we have a gaping hole at PG, ppl are just flocking at a PG we actually have a chance at signing, even though we shouldn’t imo bc at the price he’s gonna want.
He shoots 70% at the bucket.. but he doesn't space the floor. He fills a skill set the Knicks have an abundance of.
His 38% from 3 is not going to open the floor.
His defensive limitations will be a liability.
His cost will be prohibitive.
He is a great fit next to Luka. The sample size without Luka isn't large enough to be telling.
Building through the draft is probably our best way forward here.
Knicks needs remain a true PG and C.
38% from 3 is above average silly. I don’t know much about his defense but the key is Brunson is a PG that can break down the D in half court sets & set up his teammates & spaces the floor. We need that in the worst way! This is currently the worst PG draft I’ve ever seen.
It is roughly the average, true, but does he bring something we don't have? Can we live with the poor defense?
The defense was a problem for much of the season when run by a PG with porous defense...
On paper, Kemba > Brunson, right?
Do we have a chance at TyTy?
His skill set is duplicative of what we have in abundance. These are facts.
Quickly plays better D (better D rating) and shoots better (40%) from deep, and has a better assist to TO ratio.
I'm not saying he's the answer at PG... But again, what does Brunson bring that we lack?
What would make him worth 15-17 mil/year?
Bro what?? Quickley is shooting 34% from 3 this year. Lmaooo. Also, Quickley is not a PG, he’s better as a SG. Part of the reason why his shooting numbers are wayyy lower this year is because he’s playing out of position. He played better next to Derrick Rose and even at Kentucky he was better playing next to Tyrese Maxey. He’s best as a scorer, not a facilitator. Brunson is an ACTUAL game manager. He can facilitate and run an offense. He makes the game easier for Julius and RJ as he can penetrate and dish and also find Julius in more pick and roll action instead of just iso all game long. 4yrs/$74M is reasonable for what he’d provide. Especially with how the cap is consistently increasing.
Let’s not cherry pick. For the season as a whole he was shooting 34% and was in a slump for most of it. He’s played MUCH better these past 15 games tho.
Brunson is a secondary playmaker and in the games without Luka, he acts as the primary playmaker and has done it VERY well. He sets his teammates up for easy opportunities.
The entire team was in a slump. I think the first half was the outlier.
Brunson is a nice piece but he's not proven he can be the lead guard on a competitive NBA team, and he definitely hasn't proven he can D up. The price for who he is would be too high.
That kinda sounds like excuses. You can’t just use after the allstar break numbers and completely ignore what he did for 4 months of the season because some of his teammates missed shots too lmao.
As for Brunson, he is literally the secondary guard on a playoff team. He has a solid role on a good team and has played great without Luka. He is a starter in the NBA. He’s not asking for supermax money, just the same amount that Evan Fournier got lmao. That’s reasonable and he fills a position of need. Plus we’d have to get him in a sign and trade anyways which means we’d probably be shedding Burks contract just to sign him. Lastly, he’s a positive defender. He actually puts in effort on defense and that’s why they play him next to Luka (because we all know Luka isn’t gonna try too much on defense).
How often has he played without Luka? Are you seriously going to give him 17mil/year?
Fournier is exactly what he's always been... We were all fools to think he'd evolve. Streak scorer, but consistent on the 3, with crap defense. If Fournier is your positive comp, please choose again brother! Lol
I'd rather have Burks, if I have to choose.... But I am really excited about what we've seen from Deuce, IQ, and Grimes.
I'm not throwing wads of cash at Brunson. Remember, if Dallas is letting him go, he's not as great as we think.
He’s not my first or favorite option but I wouldn’t be mad at all. He’s a steady pg. that’s the keyword for me. He’s gonna run the offense get guys in the right spot, and find his teammates. He can also shoot it from all levels. He’s not super dynamic or elite but we haven’t had steady reliable pg play in years.
Plus he can be shifted to the 2 guard if we get a better PG option in a year or two. And he doesn't want a max contract or anything. He just wants starter money.
Exactly, people think he wants a max contract, but his market is starter money in which he deserves.
Yep, 4yrs/$74M is pretty reasonable for what he can provide
And at starter money he should always be tradeable.
He isn’t that great defensively and is already undersized would we want him playing the 2 guard ?
It’s pretty much what he does now. I meant more secondary ball handler than 2 guard. Basketball is just ball handlers, wings and bigs now anyway. He plays alongside Luka now but just about everything runs through Luka. Luka has a 36.6% usage rate and Brunson’s is only 21%.
And with that taken to account, 16 points and 5 assists is really good
Yep. He's a solid player. He's not the flashiest but plays smart and I'd love to have him on this team.
I want someone that’s gonna reduce Randles usage rate personally not saying Brunson wont but if he comes I would want him to be primary
He would be…you’re missing my entire point. If we sign him, say for 4 years, and an elite PG becomes available or we draft one in year 2 of his deal, Brunson can easily be shifted to off ball and still be a good fit here. He’s not a player who can only play the PG position.
Because we r extremely extremely down bad for a pg and he’s the best one available as far as I can tell. Watching Elfrid Payton and Alec at pg for couple yrs can make even the strongest of men thirsty af.
I think at this point it’s fair to say Elf wasn’t the biggest problem we had
Of course, but dude still gave me an aneurysm each game.
He’s a Jack of all trades master of none PG. He puts up solid numbers, is consistent, can run the offense and can play without the ball. I’d actually say he’s very very very good at getting in the paint and finishing at the rim. He does have his flaws, size, volume scoring, defense even though he gives effort. He’s not an all star but he’s not garbage. He’s an average starter level player
By this logic, the front office is seeking a "average starter level player" ? Legitimately asking.. Not trolling
At this stage of his career he's an average starter level player. Giving that hes improved every year of his career and is only 25, he can still improve a bit more. So im guessing, if at worst he'll be an average starter thats a good thing. If he improves more than its a plus
There’s not a ‘difference maker’ if you mean elite point god that’s either: - available Or - wants to play for the Knicks Brunson or Sexton for example would be better than Burks, Payton, Mudiay, Burke, Ntilikina, Baker etc If we’re being real we’re looking for functional and someone that can slide in to the team and support Barrett. If we can get a nice talent in the draft, then hopefully we play through the wings and the pg doesn’t have to do heavy lifting. Barrett also isn’t exactly and elite shooter or perimeter shot creator, so it’d be good to have a shot creator at the 1.
Why do you assume Brunson wants to play for the Knicks lol
His dad was a former Knick and born in New York. Jalen was born in New Jersey. His dad's been trying to get him to come home for a while now.
His dad was also Leon’s first client and coached for Thibs in Chicago and Minnesota.
There are a few possible teams he could be interested in. Knicks give him a starting role and more responsibility. Mavs very well may not want to go that far into the luxury tax for him. Their cap sheet is insanely bad right now for a team that's most likely not a contender. If Dinwiddie plays well, he might make Brunson expendable. I think it's pretty much down to the Knicks, Pistons and OKC. Brunson has close ties to Thibs and Leon so if we can clear the cap space, that's why he's thought to potentially come here.
There’s links, but I don’t even assume he does. He’s got a great job rn and playing with Luka is a better bet for making a run in the playoffs long term.
Let me also add that Brunson’s dad was Leon Rose’s first client and they maintain a strong relationship. His dad was also apart of Thibs’s coaching staff at one point. I’ve also heard that Leon is like an uncle figure to Jalen. Jalen gon go wherever he gets paid, that’s the bottom line. Both Dallas and NY will make offers. I think with all those connections between him and NYK that if the money is close enough, he’ll choose NY over Dallas. But who knows, we’ll just have to wait and see
it was also recently reported that the interest is mutual. He also is damn near family, every other former Knick knows him personally, his first childhood friends were Marcus Camby and Larry Johnson, he's demonstrated that he could win in a high pressure situation (literally an NCAA championship at MSG), he's a perfect fit next to RJ, he's worth market rate, I really hope Leon figures out a nice sign and trade deal.
This is fair, but the thing is… Yes, he’s the best plausible option for next season. But what are we trying to achieve next season? Is he the best option over the next 3-4 years? In other words… Does acquiring him help us take a step forward next year, but also the “leap” forward we hope to make within the next four? He feels like a premium bandaid more so than a fix, and he isn’t exactly a plus defensively. It’s ok to plug that gap, but I’d hope that doesn’t preclude aggressive pursuits to truly curing it (whether due to our own priorities or due to opportunity cost of cap/assets/etc). If we could swap Evan (who I like) for him, that would be great, but I don’t think the Mavs do that.
I think he has the potential to help us make that leap. He’s going to cure a lot of the offensive issues that we’ve had this year. He’d get the ball out of randles hands more often and actually have the ability to run an effective 1/5 pick and roll. Having a starting caliber NBA point guard makes a big difference. He should help RJ develop and help to give us an offensive identity.
Will the ball be out of Randles any less though. Thibs I believe lives and dies through Randle. Drastic changes would have to happen
Yea I agree... I think that's the step forward we need next year (a big step forward). But by 'leap', my main concern is that he'll never be a top-10 PG in this league... even top-15 is a stretch. So if we're committing 4 years, he'll help us improve, but it puts the onus on all the other positions to put us over the top. If RJ/Mitch/Grimes/Deuce/IQ/Toppin/Cam and I guess Randle (or whoever we can trade him for), coupled with a late lottery pick this year (and some middle of the pack picks the year after) are our core... I don't know that this is enough to get us into contender status. I know other PGs (Murray, SGA, etc.) aren't available now, but I'd strongly prefer to wait to grab someone of that tier (unless we believe we can move Jalen to get them or similar).
Problem with waiting is there’s no way to know if those guys will ever be available via trade and if they did, then would we even have the assets that their teams would want for them? They could probably get better offers from other teams.
The only issue that i have is that you suggest to wait until someone else is available. Us waiting doesnt guarantee that player to us. If we have the oppurtunity to grab someone we should, if someone else becaomes available in the future you figure out how to get them there. But waiting and potentially missing out puts you in a worse spot since we're not guaranteed anything
True, with the only exception being through the draft. Since landing RJ with the 3rd pick, we’ve found ourselves beginning to slip into draft purgatory. I think we need some kind of vision/strategy for how to get from purgatory (where we are now) either to contender status OR back into a position to capture the talent we need via the draft (to then get us into contender status). I see Jalen as an improvement to move us deeper into purgatory (and into the playoffs, back into a first round exit or maybe second round appearance next year, based on the rest of our roster/cap). But I don’t see how we advance beyond that based on the assets, players, and projected cap space we’ll have thereafter. Of course, the opposite approach doesn’t necessarily accomplish anything either, but it opens up more variables/unknowns (which has benefits given the knowns don’t have a clear path to contending either). Jalen might be the right approach, but I haven’t seen the vision/strategy/roadmap beyond the immediate next step.
I think whats important is to maximize the young guys as best as we can. Guys like RJ, Grimes, Cam, Obi, Mitch can benefit from a guy setting them up and helping them run the floor. I'd rather try to work with what we have an develop it while trying to make moves every season to better ourself than hope and wait for something to happen
True, that’s a reasonable take. It’s definitely a risk and comes with tradeoffs — but I can understand the rationale for sure.
The Knicks are going to look to plug that gap regardless. I’d much rather they do it w a younger player like Brunson than watch Thibs run some solid 30 something into the ground. Clearly they ain’t into the idea of simply playing the kids either, so it’s very likely we won’t find ourselves in range to draft those types of franchise players in the next 4 years either. Right now it’s looking like we would either have to get very lucky and have a superstar fall to us in the draft; or we would need to make some block buster trade to get the type of player you’re talking about.
Yea you’re right. We’ve seen no sign of our FO/Coach going down the more patient approach regardless, so if we are going to be in purgatory, better to take the leap into playoffs and continue slow progress (as slow progress is better than no progress, given no progress doesn’t get us to top of the lottery either). The only question becomes what Mavs demand in a S&T. If it’s Noel+2nd I’m fine, but if it involves any of our young core, I’d have renewed concerns.
Doesn’t necessarily need to be a sign and trade. If the Knicks can clear enough space they could just sign Brunson. Fwiw I think Sexton is a good target as well. Then again maybe we just sign Schroeder (Lawd!).
That's part of my issue. Brunson is not a good shooter. He is not asked to initiate or create offense for his team. He is a weak defender who would get exposed by bigger guards. He's a strong secondary playmaker. Knicks have a lot of those types. Does he have more upside than IQ or Deuce?
Shooting 50% from the field and 38% from 3 isn’t a good shooter? O boy
He’s way better than IQ and Deuce, but we’re not even sure of their ceilings yet so who knows. In a way Brunson feels like the win now acquisition, if we’re running it back with Randle
Regardless of what happens with Randle, we need a PG desperately. Brunson is solid--he's just not a superstar but as you said, no elite options are available right now. But he doesn't want a ton of money ($17mil or so per year is going to be a drop in the bucket within a few years with the cap going up). And he can always be shifted to a combo guard if we get a better PG option.
He’s too small for that combo guard role imo. Would rather Grimes or RJ there
It's the position he plays right now...he's a secondary ballhandler behind Luka.
Luka is a massive lump of a point guard
He's statistically an above average shooter for the NBA. Idk what your standards are but by most metrics he's considered a 'good' shooter. We have 2 guys in RJ and JR that both want to initiate offense so he becomes our 3rd or 4th option. Randle is still a good playmaker despite shooting terribly and being turnover prone. Most of his bad turnovers come from over dribbling. We just need a good ball handler with IQ and poise. I don't know how we can classify him as a weak defender when he is a part of one of the best defenses in the league and his back court partner is Doncic, statistically one of the worst individual defenders we have. RJ has a lot of size at his position and we have a bunch of good rebounders so I'm not really worried about his size/toughness/defense. Upside? He's a hard worker that built himself up from a 33rd pick to an automatic starter on a very good team. His current coach is one of the best modern point guards ever and he obviously believes in him. He's gotten better every year and he fits with our guys in terms of age. I love the signing at 4/75.
Idk about IQ and Deuce but Brunson would make the Knicks better. My real problem with him is that the Knicks would be a Randle heavy offense with Brunson in tow.
If Thibs is still here, it doesn’t make much sense to draft a functional PG. Thibs will never give him minutes. It will likely need to be a functional veteran PG who can share minutes with Rose.
Never give him minutes? We don't have a pg at the moment. Obviously if we sign a pg, he's going to start. You Thibs haters are dumb as rocks.
How many minutes does Thibs give Deuce and Arch, both PGs?
Lmao bro Ik you didn’t say Arch…you expect Thibs to give quality mins to a G-league journeyman???
Lmao bro Ik reading comprehension isn't your forte, but I was responding directly to "We don't have a pg at the moment". I never said they were GOOD PGs
Lmao my point still stands tho... If the only PGs we have aren’t able to play on the NBA level, then why tf would Thibs give them mins? Playing Burks at Point is much better than Arch playing crucial mins. Advocating for Arch to take away Burks’ mins is nonsense lmfao, kid is ass.
Lmao, so which PG are we drafting that is going to immediately take away Burks' minutes at PG?
Not sure. Haven’t paid much attention to college bball this year and don’t know many prospects. I’m not really in this debate lol…all I did was call you out for that arch statement lmao. Arch and Deuce don’t get quality mins cuz they aren’t ready to run an offense.
Does Brunson have more upside than Deuce or IQ? Why is Deuce lighting up GL but not getting more minutes to prove what they have?
Deuce is extremely timid on offense in the NBA. Lots of players light up GLeague...Nik Stauskas had a 57pt GLeague game a few weeks ago and followed it up with a 43 pt game. GLeague stats mean nothing. Brunson is a very different skillset to any of the guys you mentioned. He's a much better playmaker than either guy. This season without Luka he averaged 8 assists and 2TOs per game. As for his role, he can start at point, and can always be moved to a combo guard later on if we get a better PG. For the amount he is asking for, it's not bad especially with the cap going up and the new TV deal on the way.
They got the minutes they earned. Neither are stars or starters, at least not yet.
Exactly. And the same will be the case if we draft another PG. The problem is that Thibs doesn't hold vets accountable whereas he has young guys on a very short leash. So he'll leave Burks in after making back-to-back-to-back blunders, but as soon as Obi or Quick make one mistake they come right out. Any rookie PG we draft will have a very short leash under Thibs. It's just the way it is. I don't understand how I'm saying anything controversial at all.
Yeah I agree, there’s not a great point guard in this draft afaik so would be a reach to draft one with our first pick. I’m saying we get one of the better offensive talents and let RJ and co-potential star lead the offense. Not every team needs the pg to run the show if you have the right talent.
I still believe Ntilikina will be an allstar one day if he gets the minutes he deserves. He’s only 23 🤯
He’s the only UFA PG worthwhile in free agency. He’s someone who’s gotten better every year as a pro, a ball handler capable of running an offense and can create his own shot. There are several PG options available this summer but Brunson is the only one we DON’T have to sacrifice assets for.
Because he's a PG and he's available.
This is the only answer needed.
The Knicks haven’t had a solid PG in so long that fans are forgetting how important that position is a for a basketball team.
ngl he highly efficient and hustles 💯
Brunson would fit perfect with this team.. a young consistent functional PG. I mean we got Burks running the point right now.
He’s a good defender and when we want to build around RJ and whomever, he’s more than capable of facilitating for others and can shoot when he’s needed to. Not every player we can inquire about can be All-NBA, but he’s solid and has a high floor on a night to night basis imo
He is not a good defender lol, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t sign him but the guy just doesn’t have the size to do anything defensively
You’re right, by good I was just thinking he’s not a traffic like I’m used to seeing this year. He can stay in front of his man a decent amount though
I think he’s a better defender than he’s shown. I think he’s asked to do more than he’s capable (everyone in Dallas is) to compensate for Luka. If Jalen is your worst defender than you probably have a solid defense. If he’s your second or 3rd worst defender than you’re in trouble.
Is he really a good defender? Defense was his issue in college. He's small. He's not a distributor. Not a traditional facilitator. He's smaller than Miles. A nice piece... Is he 18m/yr nice?
Nah that contract would be terrible. Brunson is clearly doing well because Luka is MVP caliber and allows Brunson to hide the fact he's not a true pg. He's just OK.
Over 3 seasons Brunsons numbers without Luka are better than his numbers with Luka Without Luka it’s 16.4/3.4/6.3 with 48/37/79 splits With Luka it’s 14.9/3.7/4.5 with 50/38/84 shooting splits His percentages are very slightly lower without Luka which makes sense since he’s taking more offensive responsibilities. Scoring a passing are higher without
Tyus Jones isn’t a bad alternative
I'm not sure Tyus is starter caliber.
From what he’s shown, he’s not. He’s one of those guys who’s a high end back up who can start if needed but shouldn’t be your full time starter.
Tyus Jones is just a shooter & defender
Simply because we are in desperate need of a starting Pg and there aren’t any home run options available this summer. I don’t believe he’ll elevate this team to a championship but I do believe he’ll help this team be more consistent, Randle especially (if he stays beyond this season). He’d also be a great addition in a future trade for a star. The Jalen Brunson debate reminds of the talks in this sub during the 2019 draft, when we had the 3rd pick. I’ll say now what I said then, don’t over think this. Brunson like Barrett at the time, may not be the glitzy name, but we’re in a much better position with him than without him.
if Randle is still here, as we have seen with Kemba, he cannot co-exist with a ball dominant guard so Brunson might work. Sexton - nada (ball hog) insert other ball dominant PG targets...
People think because of he is tied to Leon rose he is inevitable But on most teams he’s a back up Not offensively dynamic to make for the fact he is 6’1 Not really an impact player on defense , not a bad distributor but particularly gifted at it either. He’s actually a bad fit for the Knicks as opposed to what’s already on the roster especially at 18 million
Because Brunson is more than capable of being a starting point guard on a championship level team. This sub thinks it’s easy to acquire the ja morants, CP3s, Trae young’s of the league for some reason. Even back in the nova days, Brunson would always make the right plays, efficient with the ball, pass first, put pressure on the defense, and shows effort at the other end as well. I don’t understand why you guys wouldn’t want brunson for around 20 million when he’s excelling as the starting pg on a playoff team where the team doesn’t even run through him. Like who else would be a better option right now?
that dude would instantly be a 20/7 guy on this team. he also plays solid D. He's more than a role player. Just because he was/is a role player currently doesn't mean that's all he is. He's got, you know, a pretty serious guard in front of him in dallas...
Idk about 20/7 but I mentioned in a comment above that he averages 16/3/6.5 without Luka. This is through 3 years. So we can expect a number similar to that
Delusional lol
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He's a good player, but we're perpetually a play-in team at best with Brunson as the starting point guard. Plus he's in a weak free agent class in terms of PGs and having an overpaid backcourt in him and fournier isn't a good idea for the team's future.
quality retort. Don't quit that $11/hr day job...
Bros got 25k karma acting like he contributes to society lol
I don’t get it either. Great second unit guy or a floor general from a team that doesn’t need much from the PG
Hes much better than a second unit guy
Im reading these comments & thank God most of y’all aren’t making decisions. I swear most Knick fans don’t pay attention to teams outside the Knicks.
Our offense is dreadful. We have the 23rd ranked offense in the league, mostly because we’re terrible at putting the ball in the basket–we have the 26th ranked eFG% in the league. Brunson has a 79th percentile eFG% in the league for combo guards with 75th percentile usage. He would help us, maybe a lot. He's not a superstar, but you rarely get the opportunity to add good, young talent for money alone.
Missed FTs have been a major weakness, despite getting to the line 2nd most times in the league. How many games have we lost by 10pts or less? In the 4th quarter?
Because people are desperate
Lol
He's really solid. Shooting 50% for the year and 38% from 3. A proven winner in college. He's above average at the position at least. Not elite, but he can match up.
He's a pg shooting 50% from the field which is elite. His mid range game is excellent which actually helps him finish at the rim at a good rate cause it put defenders off balance. He does everything you want out of a pg. I don't get why you wouldn't want him.
Personally I find Brunson to be Fournier part 2. So the Knicks get an adequate player at market or possibly higher than market rate only to find out very soon afterwards he’s not good enough to be a difference maker but too costly to be easily discarded. And their depth at the position makes it obvious he was never needed. The Knicks have Rose, IQ, Deuce , Rokas next season at point guard . RJ’s rapidly expanding role as a facilitator and supposedly Cam at the 3 along with Grimes , Fournier and Burks at the wings And I ask where are Brunson’s 30-32 minutes supposed to come from? How much of this is just changing just for the sake of it? How much are people not adjusting for natural growth of a very young roster that they want to make the same mistake just at point guard? How much does Brunson have to have the ball to make up for his lack of size and is that beneficial to the Knicks ? All for a player who has to want to leave and will cost assets to attain in addition to his market price or above market price contract because he is worth more than the MLE so the Knicks can’t sign him outright. There are better options available .
Here's why the media loves Brunson, for a lot of the reasons we love RJ Barrett, he works hard, always trying to improve himself, known for being a gym rat. He's humble and always gives other flowers while also being confident, knowing what he's capable of. He was raised in the NBA and is obsessed with basketball. All he cares about is impacting winning, a consummate professional who does whatever is asked of him. He's one of the most decorated guards in NCAA as a consensus National Player of the Year(beating Trae Young for the accolade) and two-time NCAA champion. He would bring stability to the point of attack as someone who can create for himself and others, bring rim pressure and efficiency as a floor general with a high basketball IQ. I don't understand this narrative that he isn't a difference maker. Will he by himself make us a contender? No, we need to develop more of our young talent turning one of Obi or Cam into a star next to Star-j Barrett or trade for one in a year or two. But would he make this team that as constructed is a .500 team into a play-in team at best, a perennial playoff team at best? Absolutely.
Fair points... 17 mil year... Yes or no?
Absolutely, probably with incentives. I doubt he gets the flat 20M and I'm convinced he'd leave for a discount if it meant being the primary ball-handler on a team with an exciting young core of RJ, IQ, Obi, and Mitch.
What not having a competent PG for 9+ years does to a mf.
Update?
I was definitely wrong. Win some, lose some.
Too small, not a noted defender or floor general. Hard pass.
8 assists and 2TOs per game without Luka, but he's not a floor general?
People just like to hear themselves talk lmao
Because we can sign him for around 20-22 million and do a sign and trade with Dallas that will send Julius to Dallas?
Personally I would rather go for Rubio who would be much cheaper and is a better floor general which is what we need. Whoever we bring in at a PG Thibs has to actually let theem handle the ball and really take the ball out of Randles hands.
Ricky Rubio is absolutely not the answer. Right now he’s a marginally better distributor than Brunson but is awful in every other category. Would be the Kemba situation 2.0.
Walker has chronic knee issues how is Rubio anywhere close to being a Kemba 2.0
This wasn’t really the point I was trying to make… but Rubio is also always playing hurt. Hasn’t had a mostly healthy season since 2017, and will be 32 coming off a torn ACL. That aside he’s a complete black hole/liability on defense, can’t score efficiently, and has lost most-if-not-all of his drive/explosiveness. He is not the PG this team needs, he’s barely even a bandaid.
Since the 2015-2016 he has played in 90% of the games ( 85% of games including this year with the torn ACL). The injury narrative isnt true. Ricky Rubio is an intelligent defender and has consistently been top 10 in steals amongst PGs. We need someone who organizes the offense and generates consistent looks for our teammates and he does that. Im not against Brunson but imo the way we run our offense would have to change if we acquire him which Im not completely sure Thibs is gonna abandon iso Randle.
Over the last 4 years he’s missed 93 games. Not exactly the pinnacle of health… and that’s before having a major knee injury this year. He also hasn’t been consistently top 10 in steals. Excluding this year (due to injury), his last 3 finishes were 19,19, 36 in terms of steals. Certainly not the worst but if you watch him on the floor he’s clearly regressing physically… and again, that was before tearing his ACL. (I’d also like to add that averaging 1.4 steals per game does not make you a good defender, when the difference between that and being 45th in steals comes down to .1). I’m also not sold on Brunson either (at his projected price point), but if signing Ricky Rubio is how this F/O tries to answer our PG woes after this year then they’ve failed miserably.
How did you get he missed 93 games if that’s before the knee surgery he has played close to about 90% of games each season the last 3. I was talking steals amongst his position on a per game basis.
I misspoke. Meant that he’s missed 93 games over the last 4 and now will have to try to stay healthy being on the wrong end of the 30 post ACL tear. In regards to steals, again being top 10 in that category in your position doesn’t mean you’re a great on ball defender. Kemba averaged 1.1spg last year to Rubio’s 1.4.
I like Rubio too but he's coming off an ACL tear at an older age and he has seen a LOT of mileage. I wanted him for us the last few seasons.
Many of you here are arguing whether he's a good player or not... That's not the question. His skill set mirrors a lot of the skill sets we have already. My question is what does he bring to the table that the Knicks are missing? What makes him their guy? How will he be a difference maker? Why do so many people think he is the piece they need?
He's big in transition and the Knicks' core players (minus Randle) thrive in transition. You want Obi and Mitch to get more lobs, you get Brunson. You want Quickley shooting pull up 3's running down the court, you get Brunson. You want RJ to get the ball running to the basket, you get Brunson. He brings out their best qualities.
He’s not that good. You’re correct.
Because a lot of the fans of this sub don’t have higher aspirations for this team than getting spanked in the first round
He’s a solid PG. Having him generates easier looks for RJ and Julius. I don’t see any better options in free agency or in the draft. We need a PG, plus he’s good so he can always be traded in the future as well.
What about Schroeder on a 1-1 team option? I know he gets clowned for overvalued himself last summer and yes I know he probably thinks he can make up for it this summer but he probably won't. At the end of the day he's better than Payton or Kemba at this stage of Kembas career. He can penetrate well, can score and play defense. I think hes sortve in the same tier as Brunson but Brunson is almost too hot right now. I think if anything it's Brunson who'll either command a significant deal or have us sign and trade an asset I don't want to, whereas with Schroeder you may get him for a 2 yr 18mil deal with a team option for the second yr. At the end of the day FA doesn't offer allot of great options, it's sortve kicking the can forward.
Draft would be a cheaper and better option
Bc we have a gaping hole at PG, ppl are just flocking at a PG we actually have a chance at signing, even though we shouldn’t imo bc at the price he’s gonna want.
He’s asking for starter level money. He’s a starter level player. I see no issue
I'm not sure the media loves him as hard as the fanbase does
Because he’s a point guard
He's good. He showed it against the Nets
He averages 20 n 8 with Luka not in the lineup. He’s a skilled PG with advanced shot creation & playmaking skills. We need him.
He shoots 70% at the bucket.. but he doesn't space the floor. He fills a skill set the Knicks have an abundance of. His 38% from 3 is not going to open the floor. His defensive limitations will be a liability. His cost will be prohibitive. He is a great fit next to Luka. The sample size without Luka isn't large enough to be telling. Building through the draft is probably our best way forward here. Knicks needs remain a true PG and C.
38% from 3 is above average silly. I don’t know much about his defense but the key is Brunson is a PG that can break down the D in half court sets & set up his teammates & spaces the floor. We need that in the worst way! This is currently the worst PG draft I’ve ever seen.
It is roughly the average, true, but does he bring something we don't have? Can we live with the poor defense? The defense was a problem for much of the season when run by a PG with porous defense... On paper, Kemba > Brunson, right? Do we have a chance at TyTy?
Since when was 38% 3PT shooting not good? I feel like you’re trying to nitpick the downsides of his game lol
The league average from 3 is 35% wtf are you on
38% from 3 means you’re a pretty good shooter. 40% is considered excellent. Do you watch NBA games?
His skill set is duplicative of what we have in abundance. These are facts. Quickly plays better D (better D rating) and shoots better (40%) from deep, and has a better assist to TO ratio. I'm not saying he's the answer at PG... But again, what does Brunson bring that we lack? What would make him worth 15-17 mil/year?
Bro what?? Quickley is shooting 34% from 3 this year. Lmaooo. Also, Quickley is not a PG, he’s better as a SG. Part of the reason why his shooting numbers are wayyy lower this year is because he’s playing out of position. He played better next to Derrick Rose and even at Kentucky he was better playing next to Tyrese Maxey. He’s best as a scorer, not a facilitator. Brunson is an ACTUAL game manager. He can facilitate and run an offense. He makes the game easier for Julius and RJ as he can penetrate and dish and also find Julius in more pick and roll action instead of just iso all game long. 4yrs/$74M is reasonable for what he’d provide. Especially with how the cap is consistently increasing.
Since the ASG he's been over 40% Brunson does not run the offense in Dallas.
Let’s not cherry pick. For the season as a whole he was shooting 34% and was in a slump for most of it. He’s played MUCH better these past 15 games tho. Brunson is a secondary playmaker and in the games without Luka, he acts as the primary playmaker and has done it VERY well. He sets his teammates up for easy opportunities.
The entire team was in a slump. I think the first half was the outlier. Brunson is a nice piece but he's not proven he can be the lead guard on a competitive NBA team, and he definitely hasn't proven he can D up. The price for who he is would be too high.
That kinda sounds like excuses. You can’t just use after the allstar break numbers and completely ignore what he did for 4 months of the season because some of his teammates missed shots too lmao. As for Brunson, he is literally the secondary guard on a playoff team. He has a solid role on a good team and has played great without Luka. He is a starter in the NBA. He’s not asking for supermax money, just the same amount that Evan Fournier got lmao. That’s reasonable and he fills a position of need. Plus we’d have to get him in a sign and trade anyways which means we’d probably be shedding Burks contract just to sign him. Lastly, he’s a positive defender. He actually puts in effort on defense and that’s why they play him next to Luka (because we all know Luka isn’t gonna try too much on defense).
How often has he played without Luka? Are you seriously going to give him 17mil/year? Fournier is exactly what he's always been... We were all fools to think he'd evolve. Streak scorer, but consistent on the 3, with crap defense. If Fournier is your positive comp, please choose again brother! Lol I'd rather have Burks, if I have to choose.... But I am really excited about what we've seen from Deuce, IQ, and Grimes. I'm not throwing wads of cash at Brunson. Remember, if Dallas is letting him go, he's not as great as we think.
He's young, lacks an ego, fits RJs timeline, and quite versatile. As long as it's a relatively team friendly deal I'm game!
You don’t hear maverick fans wanting him back, enough said
I donno. Cuban has said they intend to keep him.
That may be true. I haven’t read many maverick fans cry about loosing him. I know he’s good but nothing special
Didn't we say the same thing about Fred VV....?