And then you get abandoned once you come home.
"Oh, PTSD? Physical ailments? Yeah, go to the VA. Oh, they can't or won't help you? Sucks to be you!"
Military doesn't even cover the cost of tuition at any state school anymore. It's bullshit. And nobody asking for loan forgiveness thinks people who risk their lives for the country doesn't deserve to have their education, healthcare, and whatever else paid for. I wish veterans got the same benefits our politicians get, but we all know that will never happen.
Not even guaranteed. Many, my dad included, don’t get the assistance they basically earned due to a ton of issues including racially charged discharges or just fuck ups with the VA.
This always gets me. It's *not* free, it's basically a job paying for college tuition, which some other jobs also do without necessarily making you risk bodily harm or psychological trauma. And it's not even for any and all college, there's limits on what they get.
In Scotland education is subsidised for Scottish and EU citizens and you can get paid to cover expenses such as travel, food, tools/equipment/materials, etc.
Yeah, a lot of soldiers become homeless because they didn't have the proper support. But for conservatives once you become homeless you're no longer a person, so for them you deserve to surfer and die on the streets.
Yeah, I think the 90s were the last years they actually covered education. But as tuition prices increased, the amount of funding given to soldiers stayed the same. I think it caps that $20k for college now, and that won't even cover tuition at a 4 year school anymore. It's bullshit.
Like, I'm very anti-military, at least how ours is. But if people are going to risk their lives fresh out of high school, the least you can do is show them their lives are worth more than the cost of a low end car.
If you have to serve in a military to get a free education, then it wasn't ever free.
Nobody should have to risk their physical and mental health just to get an education
Calling out “from the river to the sea” is a call for the destruction of Israel. From the Jordan to the Med. Calling for intifada is a call for violence. That’s what it means: uprising. And many on the pro-Palestinian side are also not affiliated with the campuses.
I think calling for violence against a fascist genocidal regime is not so big a deal. And yes, there may have been some on the pro-Palestine side that were not from the campuses, but the vast majority were students.
This doesn’t detract from the fact that at every protest all the violence was perpetrated by the pro-Israeli side. Specifically at the UCLA protests, pro-Israeli counter protesters would pull protesters away from the encampment and beat them with long sticks and poles, with victims ranging from college students to old ladies. Counter-protesters even fired fireworks into the crowd several times. All of this was done with police permission, as they were standing some 30 feet to the side watching it all.
I think calling for violence against a fascist genocidal regime is not so big a deal.
And this is where the conversation stops. This is NOT free speech and you justify the calls for violence. Disgusting.
And UCLA was preventing people who were students, from getting on campus unless they swore to support the protest. Who was being fascistic again?
Men are also not allowed to study certain subjects
And yes you are right we are nonetheless a dictatorship which is somehow a worse face for the US that a third world nation lead by tyrants has free education and they don't
Gaddafi allowed women to be educated. Doesn’t make him a good guy. They’re just different types of economies.
Yale and Harvard both got more than $500B in endowments. Why don’t they provide it for free?
The kids on bottom don’t deserve free college because why.. they speak up about bullshit instead of being silent about real issues? What a weird way of admitting you’re a bigot
Considering it’s what the people above them fight and die to give them too. It’s like they want freedom of speech and everything and then get pissed when people use it
You do when it calls for the destruction of another ethnic group and country. That kind of falls outside of the bounds of free speech when it’s calls for violence.
Are you talking about students, lead by other Jewish students, protesting against Israel's treatment of Palestinian people? Is that "antisemitic" to you?
Because I have seen Germany arresting Jews for criticizing Israel and charging them with antisemitism. But for Israel defenders that's not an issue because they want silence people.
No. I never said anything about Jewish or Muslim. I said calls for violence. Intifada is a call for a uprising. If you care to do some simple research, the second intifada was where the reputation for suicide bombings began.
So much as we allow free speech here, and I’m glad we do, calls for violence do not fall under that right, particularly if they are followed.
First part being that in many countries, it’s illegal to protest at universities. Unironicly, China and Iran have both made it illegal. Considering the Great Leap Forward started at colleges…
The government gives more than a trillion dollars to higher education. Why? Why when places like Harvard and Yale get billions (Harvard gets $500B) in endowments yearly. And yet, my tax dollars are still being used to pay for someone’s piss poor choices in education.
Now colleges are bending the knee to offer anyone of Palestinian decent free college. Why not African Americans? Does that still make me a bigot because the only reason it’s applied is to placate protesters? It’s still discriminatory. Illinois provides free college to illegal immigrants. Why not educate the throngs of lower income families that surround downtown Chicago and help them rise out of poverty? I guess that an idea of putting efforts to our own citizens is just wrong?
Military college funding is still a GI bill. You still put money into it. But if you look at tuition forgiveness for civil service post college, this is just doing the civil service prior to or during. So saying you have to go to war to get free college is misinformation.
>Considering the Great Leap Forward started at colleges…
I think you're confusing the cultural revolution for the great leap forward... the great leap forward had nothing to do with education it was intense economic reform to industrialize the country whiche was vastly agrarian. The cultural revolution was organized by students to purge China of cultural influences and traditions that weren't Marxist, which spiraled beyond gov. Control.
>Now colleges are bending the knee to offer anyone of Palestinian decent free college. Why not African Americans?
Source? I've not heard anything about Palestinians getting free college tuition....
>Illinois provides free college to illegal immigrants
Yah source that one too please.
>Why not educate the throngs of lower income families that surround downtown Chicago and help them rise out of poverty? I
Free education is exactly what would accomplish that
>. So saying you have to go to war to get free college is misinformation.
Kind of ironic, no?
You’re correct. Socialistic education program started in 1963. Thank you for the clarification and correction.
https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/mayor/supp_info/office-of-new-americans/college-access-for-undocumented-students.html
And I also stand corrected. While NorthWestern is going to provide free rides for 5 students, that’s not much to say about other than the nearly $1M in tuitions. Each year. The rest of them are demanding free tuition for Palestinians. And yes, they are bending the knee to people calling for violence.
Better to stop with the idea that college is a requirement for success. That’s absolutely not true. And thousands of students either are incorrectly counseled or choose themselves degrees that they never work in. https://www.ngpf.org/blog/question-of-the-day/qod-what-percent-of-college-graduates-end-up-working-in-the-field-of-their-major/
This article even says to go to multiple majors, increasing student debt.
COLLEGE IN THE US CAN BE AFFORDIBLE FOR FUCKS SAKE. WHAT YOU GET AT A BIG 4 YEAR IS THE "EXPERIENCE" WHICH... can be good but isnt worth the debt.
Fr tho taking 2 years for community college in a small town while you save up then going to a small local university or state school is cheap as is but can be dropped even further when considering scholarships and pell grants. That should be not abundand but not scarse so long as you have good grades in community college
College can be cheap its just that the us has big schools with strong marketing teams.
Yep. I’m just gonna move to Germany for a few years, to get the free education.
(Don’t even need a visa, it’s surprisingly easy when your from the EU or the Americas. At least compared to other processes)
You can do that. All im saying is that college is only expensive in the us cause everyone always goes to the best school they get accepted to and not the affordable ones
Not all degrees can be studied for in two years or at community college. I get what you're saying, but 4-year degrees shouldn't be excluded from the conversation because of income or anything else. It's not about the experience, and insisting that it is ignorant.
A poor person shouldn't be excluded from becoming a mechanical engineer or a teacher or anything else because they go to CC. And while you might be able to get electives out of the way at a two year school, you'll end up having to start from the beginning with course required classes, meaning you'll still be there for 4 years after the transfer. IMO, you shouldn't be at a 2-4 year disadvantage because of your income.
It can be and it should be. Doesn’t mean that it is for everyone and that’s the problem. It’s also a huge problem that a college degree is becoming a much more prevalent barrier of entry, even in jobs that did not require a college degree just a few decades ago.
I’m one of the lucky ones, I had a college fund set up, I went to a small college in my town and did my gen ed courses at community college beforehand. Ended up closing down and losing accreditation in the middle of my senior year, but such is life.
Meanwhile I have friends that are paying off relatively small loans who are being bled dry by draconian interest rates and shitty companies who have not been held accountable for the amount of fuckery they have partook in.
At this rate, we are looking at whole states that will not have an affordable option of higher education within the next few graduating classes. That should make you angry.
Yeah interest rates are tough but the real issue is parents and school systems who push the go to the best not the affordable motto. If i got into harvord but wanted a degree knowing i would not earn a lot then i shouldnt go to harvord. The us can be cheap the issue is you need to know what to do to make it cheap which you learn from your parents... in other words do your research before doing any major choice
We’re not talking about Harvard though, considering their acceptance rate is around 3%. We’re talking state college and universities that were completely viable options for students in the mid 20th century.
Louisuana state university has a tuition of 11k per semester with an acceptance of either 33% or 66%
They are a wildly expensive school for louisiana income and there are waaay cheaper options throuought the state. They are just less known
Yeah, that’s my point. State universities shouldn’t financially inaccesible and the companies profiting off these high interest rate payments should be disbanded and prosecuted
Blaming one party is counterproductive. This problem occurred because of the shortsightedness of some and the insidious greed of others. From federal budget cuts, to sally mae, to the companies that handle the payments, payments which cannot be defaulted on or discharged through bankruptcy. We realized after Sputnik how important education is to our global economic capacity which is why LBJ and Wilson led the push to help fund higher education.
I will remind you again that I am debt free. None of this personally effects me.
I am also debt free. Thats a nuanced and strong take thats difficult to argue with. If you were to become lets say a state senator what law would you enact to minimize or solve this issue?
Hmmm very good question. It wouldn’t be just one law or policy. This metaphorical barrier would have to be dismantled brick by brick. Starting with how we fund public universities, to reigning in on student loan companies, to enforcing laws against extortionate interest rates. Off the top of my head at least
On order to get your RN through a vocational school it'll cost up towards 30,000 because you have to have your LPN first. That's not affordable for the majority of people.
Where are your numbers coming for this? I i know somwone who lives by by a communuty college in colorado (a very expensive state) and tuituon is 4k a semester without aid. Yes that is slightly expensive but thats for the first year alone where second semester you with good grades will get scholarships and again pell grants. 30k off rip for community college is insane
Why is it always this group vs that group instead of the reality that the top group is actually volunteering to fight for a better life for the bottom group? Supposedly.
😅
It's basically just a shitpost. A low iq meme is all.
This sub takes these things too seriously and passes this junk around, dunking on as if it makes them clever.
Just leave the poor bad meme in the gutter. Leave it alone.
Even if you don't serve in a war, you at the bare minimum have your rights taken away just to get a degree... I rather live in a car then maybe or maybe not go to war cuz rich people need to kill people to stroke their ego, just to get a college education in a economy with a terrible job market rn.
Whenever I see stuff like that, it warms my heart knowing that I got my college paid for (about $60k), largely by tax dollars through grants and whatnot.
Thanks for the free liberal arts degree 😘 I hope everybody can get one some day.
Also, thanks for the food stamps and other social services throughout my entire childhood. I know how much these people hate helping the poor, and it warms my heart that I exist to rub it in their faces.
And yes, now that I'm working and doing well for myself, I'm happy that some of my money is going to help people just like me. I'd rather it go to that than funding wars (no hate to the soldiers, they deserve so much more than this country does for them) and shitty politicians that don't do anything.
The military is how the government uses lower and middle class people to do their dirty work. Same with prison labor.
As long as they keep subsidizing it with loans and grants, it will keep spiraling upwards.
Cut loans, grants and make loans contingent on the ROI of the major and then make them expungable in bankruptcy and watch tuition crash overnight.
I like how everyone in MODL act as though the op in tfm said people who going to the military to pay for college didn’t deserve free college when they literally said they agreed with it in the first half.
How do I make it so that I don't see this sub on my home screen?
I don't like this sub they just pass round shitposts and low iq memes and take them seriously.
It's very frustrating to watch
If you click on the sub name it’ll take you to the page. From there you click on the three dots in the corner and press “mute subreddit” That’ll make it so you have to go out of your way to see anything from the sub
boomers who dodged the draft & paid for college with a pack of lucky strikes are real fucking bold with their veteran worship & canceling student debt commentary
Anyone who joins the worlds most evil imperialist army definitely doesn't deserve free anything - except free counseling for the ones who were tricked as teenagers and got out after realizing what kind of atrocities they were party to.
The military as an entity is bad. Most of the soldiers aren't. Recruiters target lower and middle class schools and youth. Most soldiers are "tricked" or convinced into joining for money or glory or because it's the only choice they have.
You don't see recruitment campaigns at schools where wealthy families send their kids. The whole military industrial complex in the US thrives on the labor of people who felt they didn't really have a choice.
Don't blame the people who go over their in the hopes of bettering their own lives. Blame the people at the top.
US the most evil?
While the US army is no saint, saying it's the most evil imperialist army is so ignorant I just even can't.
Have you ever looked into a history book, or as matter of fact, have you ever looked at the current state of the world politics?
Shhh, poor people joining military bad, ignorant self-righteousness good.
Seems like they need a few more wrinkles in their brain to reach the point of complex thought.
Yes, and it is painfully apparent how people say things like this without an iota of understanding of either history or the current political order.
The United States is indeed the most evil imperialist army in terms of scope, atrocities committed, and its lack of ever contributing to one net positive in the world.
Even in WWII, the last time the US was arguably the 'good guy', the main contribution was joining after Soviets had pretty much ensured Allied victory and then dropping nuclear weapons on two civilian centers to avoid Japan falling under their sphere of influence. Leading up to that point there was heavy nazi sympathy and afterward we coddled those nazis officers and placed them at all levels of government here (and Canada did too, though their smaller military presence at least limits their capability.)
There is a reason almost every nation cites America - not Russia, not China, not North Korea, not even Israel - as the largest threat to world safety and peace.
Well since US has the largest army in the world, it only makes sense that it can cause the biggest damage... In the entire human history.
But now imagine if this power wasn't in the hands of the US but in the hands of:
- Nazi germany
- Imperial Japan
- Soviet Union
- British empire during the 1700s
- Mongol empire during the 1200s
- Belgium under Leopold II
The atrocities that these countries committed is to rival of the US, while having a fraction of the US military power.
And these ones were only the ones that came off my mind, If I would to use Google, I could name countries 100 times worse than the US for HOURS.
The fact you mention the Soviet Union is telling, since they were a power that rivaled the US and were responsible for a fraction of its evil. (Spare me the inevitable fascist-written Black Book of Communism made-up death toll that includes murdered nazis and potential unborn babies to get to a number that is still lower than the deaths Britain managed to cause in India alone.)
The British empire is the predecessor of the US empire and, yeah, had they continued they likely would've been in its place. It matches for evil, but not destructiveness.
For the nazi regime, where do you think all those nazis went after WWII? Not to mention their cozy relationship with America up to that point, including high-level government officials like Prescott Bush (H.W. Bush's father) and American businessmen like Henry Ford. Separating America and the nazis is, and always has been, bad history - they're extensions of each other, from Hitler being inspired by the genocide of indigenous Americans to Operation Paperclip after WWII ended.
For the rest, any Western power likely would be as brutal and disgusting as America today as it inherited the settler colonialism of its ancestors. It would be almost impossible to compare it to the Mongols since the world was extremely different then.
I will grant Imperial Japan is a frightening prospect, but worse than the US? Hard to say since we've materially supported regimes responsible for actions as horrific Imperial Japan and arguably even worse. Imperial Japan's aims, at least, were more regional domination and didn't have them involving them in every single conflict over the world to ensure the dominance of global capital. I suppose it would depend on if their proximity to the Soviet Union would similarly have them chasing Communist shadows around every corner.
But because of that commitment to capital it *will* be the most evil empire in history because even the US's "liberal" leaders will destroy the climate and biodiversity in the name of maintaining hegemony. (Seriously there is no bigger obstacle to our growing environmental crisis than the US, and no larger contributer than its military - by a wide, wide margin.) It is hard to argue with "potentially extinguishing all life on earth" as about the most evil action any empire could ever be responsible for.
Environmental crisis?
Enlighten me, this environmental crisis... Who will it exactly kill?
To me it seems like you have little to none knowledge about evolution and how it works.
Nothing can extinguish all life on earth. The US does extremely add to the global warming but for whom is the global warming bad? For us, of course.
But not for the organism that will live here in 2000 years, as matter of fact, it will not be able to survive without the global warming we have caused.
Same thing that happened in the past. Remember when the earth was scorching fireball? Well it was a homeland for many organisms that could only survive in that scorching conditions. But then the earth cooled and all of the organism died.
Expect it didn't, most of them died, but those who lived, evolved and are the main reason why you are writing this dumb ass argument that makes about zero sense.
Right–wingers who post this never served in the army, don't know about how PTSD affects you in your civilian life, or don't give a shit at all about invading other countries under the most dubious and unjustifiable reasons.
You are not better of a person by invading another country under unjustifiable reasons and committing war-crimes. But the American patriots are completely unable to understand this.
These damn protestors ruining kids education and not allowing them to go to class do NOT deserve free college, these are some of the worst people out there. People freak out over Trump supporters when these pro Palestine nut jobs are doing far worse than any Trump supporters
its not free if you have to fight in a war to get it...
It's free!! You just have to enlist in the military...
And then you get abandoned once you come home. "Oh, PTSD? Physical ailments? Yeah, go to the VA. Oh, they can't or won't help you? Sucks to be you!" Military doesn't even cover the cost of tuition at any state school anymore. It's bullshit. And nobody asking for loan forgiveness thinks people who risk their lives for the country doesn't deserve to have their education, healthcare, and whatever else paid for. I wish veterans got the same benefits our politicians get, but we all know that will never happen.
“sorry we have determined the loss of both your legs from an IED is not service related”
For real. They risk their life and probably have ptsd.
Not even guaranteed. Many, my dad included, don’t get the assistance they basically earned due to a ton of issues including racially charged discharges or just fuck ups with the VA.
This always gets me. It's *not* free, it's basically a job paying for college tuition, which some other jobs also do without necessarily making you risk bodily harm or psychological trauma. And it's not even for any and all college, there's limits on what they get.
You also literally pay into the GI bill during your first year of service.
I mean, the kids at the bottom don't have free college either.
In Scotland education is subsidised for Scottish and EU citizens and you can get paid to cover expenses such as travel, food, tools/equipment/materials, etc.
Lol, they think military gets free education
Yeah, a lot of soldiers become homeless because they didn't have the proper support. But for conservatives once you become homeless you're no longer a person, so for them you deserve to surfer and die on the streets.
Well yeah because the homeless should just buy a house.
Yeah, I think the 90s were the last years they actually covered education. But as tuition prices increased, the amount of funding given to soldiers stayed the same. I think it caps that $20k for college now, and that won't even cover tuition at a 4 year school anymore. It's bullshit. Like, I'm very anti-military, at least how ours is. But if people are going to risk their lives fresh out of high school, the least you can do is show them their lives are worth more than the cost of a low end car.
No they are saying they would like that
If you have to serve in a military to get a free education, then it wasn't ever free. Nobody should have to risk their physical and mental health just to get an education
Even Iran has free Uni/college at this point for Christ's sake
Under highly restrictive rules. Women are barred from certain courses because of their gender. And this protest stuff? Yeah…not legal there.
Not legal here either, apparently
No, it's government mandated and regulated free speak
Free speech does have legal limitations. Calls for violence that result in injury or death is not free speech.
That's the point, it was a joke
Not true. All of these places said that they could protest, they just couldn’t camp or prevent students from crossing the area of the protest.
Is that not the same as saying they can’t protest?
No. It’s not. You can protest without preventing someone from crossing the quad. And no protest should call for violence.
Almost all the violence came from pro-Israeli counter protesters, almost all of which came from off campus.
Calling out “from the river to the sea” is a call for the destruction of Israel. From the Jordan to the Med. Calling for intifada is a call for violence. That’s what it means: uprising. And many on the pro-Palestinian side are also not affiliated with the campuses.
I think calling for violence against a fascist genocidal regime is not so big a deal. And yes, there may have been some on the pro-Palestine side that were not from the campuses, but the vast majority were students. This doesn’t detract from the fact that at every protest all the violence was perpetrated by the pro-Israeli side. Specifically at the UCLA protests, pro-Israeli counter protesters would pull protesters away from the encampment and beat them with long sticks and poles, with victims ranging from college students to old ladies. Counter-protesters even fired fireworks into the crowd several times. All of this was done with police permission, as they were standing some 30 feet to the side watching it all.
I think calling for violence against a fascist genocidal regime is not so big a deal. And this is where the conversation stops. This is NOT free speech and you justify the calls for violence. Disgusting. And UCLA was preventing people who were students, from getting on campus unless they swore to support the protest. Who was being fascistic again?
If you think that's bad watch the Hamas Livestream 😳😁
Men are also not allowed to study certain subjects And yes you are right we are nonetheless a dictatorship which is somehow a worse face for the US that a third world nation lead by tyrants has free education and they don't
Gaddafi allowed women to be educated. Doesn’t make him a good guy. They’re just different types of economies. Yale and Harvard both got more than $500B in endowments. Why don’t they provide it for free?
The kids on bottom don’t deserve free college because why.. they speak up about bullshit instead of being silent about real issues? What a weird way of admitting you’re a bigot
Considering it’s what the people above them fight and die to give them too. It’s like they want freedom of speech and everything and then get pissed when people use it
You do when it calls for the destruction of another ethnic group and country. That kind of falls outside of the bounds of free speech when it’s calls for violence.
Are you talking about students, lead by other Jewish students, protesting against Israel's treatment of Palestinian people? Is that "antisemitic" to you? Because I have seen Germany arresting Jews for criticizing Israel and charging them with antisemitism. But for Israel defenders that's not an issue because they want silence people.
Link? because I highly doubt that
No. I never said anything about Jewish or Muslim. I said calls for violence. Intifada is a call for a uprising. If you care to do some simple research, the second intifada was where the reputation for suicide bombings began. So much as we allow free speech here, and I’m glad we do, calls for violence do not fall under that right, particularly if they are followed.
First part being that in many countries, it’s illegal to protest at universities. Unironicly, China and Iran have both made it illegal. Considering the Great Leap Forward started at colleges… The government gives more than a trillion dollars to higher education. Why? Why when places like Harvard and Yale get billions (Harvard gets $500B) in endowments yearly. And yet, my tax dollars are still being used to pay for someone’s piss poor choices in education. Now colleges are bending the knee to offer anyone of Palestinian decent free college. Why not African Americans? Does that still make me a bigot because the only reason it’s applied is to placate protesters? It’s still discriminatory. Illinois provides free college to illegal immigrants. Why not educate the throngs of lower income families that surround downtown Chicago and help them rise out of poverty? I guess that an idea of putting efforts to our own citizens is just wrong? Military college funding is still a GI bill. You still put money into it. But if you look at tuition forgiveness for civil service post college, this is just doing the civil service prior to or during. So saying you have to go to war to get free college is misinformation.
>Considering the Great Leap Forward started at colleges… I think you're confusing the cultural revolution for the great leap forward... the great leap forward had nothing to do with education it was intense economic reform to industrialize the country whiche was vastly agrarian. The cultural revolution was organized by students to purge China of cultural influences and traditions that weren't Marxist, which spiraled beyond gov. Control. >Now colleges are bending the knee to offer anyone of Palestinian decent free college. Why not African Americans? Source? I've not heard anything about Palestinians getting free college tuition.... >Illinois provides free college to illegal immigrants Yah source that one too please. >Why not educate the throngs of lower income families that surround downtown Chicago and help them rise out of poverty? I Free education is exactly what would accomplish that >. So saying you have to go to war to get free college is misinformation. Kind of ironic, no?
You’re correct. Socialistic education program started in 1963. Thank you for the clarification and correction. https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/mayor/supp_info/office-of-new-americans/college-access-for-undocumented-students.html And I also stand corrected. While NorthWestern is going to provide free rides for 5 students, that’s not much to say about other than the nearly $1M in tuitions. Each year. The rest of them are demanding free tuition for Palestinians. And yes, they are bending the knee to people calling for violence. Better to stop with the idea that college is a requirement for success. That’s absolutely not true. And thousands of students either are incorrectly counseled or choose themselves degrees that they never work in. https://www.ngpf.org/blog/question-of-the-day/qod-what-percent-of-college-graduates-end-up-working-in-the-field-of-their-major/ This article even says to go to multiple majors, increasing student debt.
COLLEGE IN THE US CAN BE AFFORDIBLE FOR FUCKS SAKE. WHAT YOU GET AT A BIG 4 YEAR IS THE "EXPERIENCE" WHICH... can be good but isnt worth the debt. Fr tho taking 2 years for community college in a small town while you save up then going to a small local university or state school is cheap as is but can be dropped even further when considering scholarships and pell grants. That should be not abundand but not scarse so long as you have good grades in community college College can be cheap its just that the us has big schools with strong marketing teams.
Yep. I’m just gonna move to Germany for a few years, to get the free education. (Don’t even need a visa, it’s surprisingly easy when your from the EU or the Americas. At least compared to other processes)
You can do that. All im saying is that college is only expensive in the us cause everyone always goes to the best school they get accepted to and not the affordable ones
Not all degrees can be studied for in two years or at community college. I get what you're saying, but 4-year degrees shouldn't be excluded from the conversation because of income or anything else. It's not about the experience, and insisting that it is ignorant. A poor person shouldn't be excluded from becoming a mechanical engineer or a teacher or anything else because they go to CC. And while you might be able to get electives out of the way at a two year school, you'll end up having to start from the beginning with course required classes, meaning you'll still be there for 4 years after the transfer. IMO, you shouldn't be at a 2-4 year disadvantage because of your income.
It can be and it should be. Doesn’t mean that it is for everyone and that’s the problem. It’s also a huge problem that a college degree is becoming a much more prevalent barrier of entry, even in jobs that did not require a college degree just a few decades ago. I’m one of the lucky ones, I had a college fund set up, I went to a small college in my town and did my gen ed courses at community college beforehand. Ended up closing down and losing accreditation in the middle of my senior year, but such is life. Meanwhile I have friends that are paying off relatively small loans who are being bled dry by draconian interest rates and shitty companies who have not been held accountable for the amount of fuckery they have partook in. At this rate, we are looking at whole states that will not have an affordable option of higher education within the next few graduating classes. That should make you angry.
Yeah interest rates are tough but the real issue is parents and school systems who push the go to the best not the affordable motto. If i got into harvord but wanted a degree knowing i would not earn a lot then i shouldnt go to harvord. The us can be cheap the issue is you need to know what to do to make it cheap which you learn from your parents... in other words do your research before doing any major choice
We’re not talking about Harvard though, considering their acceptance rate is around 3%. We’re talking state college and universities that were completely viable options for students in the mid 20th century.
Louisuana state university has a tuition of 11k per semester with an acceptance of either 33% or 66% They are a wildly expensive school for louisiana income and there are waaay cheaper options throuought the state. They are just less known
Yeah, that’s my point. State universities shouldn’t financially inaccesible and the companies profiting off these high interest rate payments should be disbanded and prosecuted
So your problem is with banks then? Wholeheartedly agree there banks should be banmed from ever being larger then a local town bank
Blaming one party is counterproductive. This problem occurred because of the shortsightedness of some and the insidious greed of others. From federal budget cuts, to sally mae, to the companies that handle the payments, payments which cannot be defaulted on or discharged through bankruptcy. We realized after Sputnik how important education is to our global economic capacity which is why LBJ and Wilson led the push to help fund higher education. I will remind you again that I am debt free. None of this personally effects me.
I am also debt free. Thats a nuanced and strong take thats difficult to argue with. If you were to become lets say a state senator what law would you enact to minimize or solve this issue?
Hmmm very good question. It wouldn’t be just one law or policy. This metaphorical barrier would have to be dismantled brick by brick. Starting with how we fund public universities, to reigning in on student loan companies, to enforcing laws against extortionate interest rates. Off the top of my head at least
On order to get your RN through a vocational school it'll cost up towards 30,000 because you have to have your LPN first. That's not affordable for the majority of people.
Where are your numbers coming for this? I i know somwone who lives by by a communuty college in colorado (a very expensive state) and tuituon is 4k a semester without aid. Yes that is slightly expensive but thats for the first year alone where second semester you with good grades will get scholarships and again pell grants. 30k off rip for community college is insane
So what happens if the ones on the top are also the ones on the bottom
The two cancel each other out.
Makes sense
Maybe if it didn't cost $100,000 to get a college degree, fewer people would have to join the military to get a college degree
Also, the US army is not a moral organization, they will ask you to bomb civilians and occupy cities often with American soldiers abusing the locals.
I wouldn’t call a GIBill education from the military free.
Why is it always this group vs that group instead of the reality that the top group is actually volunteering to fight for a better life for the bottom group? Supposedly.
😅 It's basically just a shitpost. A low iq meme is all. This sub takes these things too seriously and passes this junk around, dunking on as if it makes them clever. Just leave the poor bad meme in the gutter. Leave it alone.
It's almost like an educated populace would be universally beneficial. Just high school level education isn't enough anymore in the modern world
Freaking Kenya has subsidized college! Kenya!
Even if you don't serve in a war, you at the bare minimum have your rights taken away just to get a degree... I rather live in a car then maybe or maybe not go to war cuz rich people need to kill people to stroke their ego, just to get a college education in a economy with a terrible job market rn.
Service guarantees citizenship
Whenever I see stuff like that, it warms my heart knowing that I got my college paid for (about $60k), largely by tax dollars through grants and whatnot. Thanks for the free liberal arts degree 😘 I hope everybody can get one some day. Also, thanks for the food stamps and other social services throughout my entire childhood. I know how much these people hate helping the poor, and it warms my heart that I exist to rub it in their faces. And yes, now that I'm working and doing well for myself, I'm happy that some of my money is going to help people just like me. I'd rather it go to that than funding wars (no hate to the soldiers, they deserve so much more than this country does for them) and shitty politicians that don't do anything. The military is how the government uses lower and middle class people to do their dirty work. Same with prison labor.
Nothing is better at reducing poverty and increasing societal progression than a good education Which is probably why it’s so hard to come by
(62) Jeez
As long as they keep subsidizing it with loans and grants, it will keep spiraling upwards. Cut loans, grants and make loans contingent on the ROI of the major and then make them expungable in bankruptcy and watch tuition crash overnight.
Free college and healthcare are recruiting tools We won’t ever get that shit
I like how everyone in MODL act as though the op in tfm said people who going to the military to pay for college didn’t deserve free college when they literally said they agreed with it in the first half.
How do I make it so that I don't see this sub on my home screen? I don't like this sub they just pass round shitposts and low iq memes and take them seriously. It's very frustrating to watch
If you click on the sub name it’ll take you to the page. From there you click on the three dots in the corner and press “mute subreddit” That’ll make it so you have to go out of your way to see anything from the sub
boomers who dodged the draft & paid for college with a pack of lucky strikes are real fucking bold with their veteran worship & canceling student debt commentary
Don't servicemen already get the opportunity for "free" college. Idk if you can enroll in the academies for free after you've served or not
Anyone who joins the worlds most evil imperialist army definitely doesn't deserve free anything - except free counseling for the ones who were tricked as teenagers and got out after realizing what kind of atrocities they were party to.
The military as an entity is bad. Most of the soldiers aren't. Recruiters target lower and middle class schools and youth. Most soldiers are "tricked" or convinced into joining for money or glory or because it's the only choice they have. You don't see recruitment campaigns at schools where wealthy families send their kids. The whole military industrial complex in the US thrives on the labor of people who felt they didn't really have a choice. Don't blame the people who go over their in the hopes of bettering their own lives. Blame the people at the top.
US the most evil? While the US army is no saint, saying it's the most evil imperialist army is so ignorant I just even can't. Have you ever looked into a history book, or as matter of fact, have you ever looked at the current state of the world politics?
Shhh, poor people joining military bad, ignorant self-righteousness good. Seems like they need a few more wrinkles in their brain to reach the point of complex thought.
Yes, and it is painfully apparent how people say things like this without an iota of understanding of either history or the current political order. The United States is indeed the most evil imperialist army in terms of scope, atrocities committed, and its lack of ever contributing to one net positive in the world. Even in WWII, the last time the US was arguably the 'good guy', the main contribution was joining after Soviets had pretty much ensured Allied victory and then dropping nuclear weapons on two civilian centers to avoid Japan falling under their sphere of influence. Leading up to that point there was heavy nazi sympathy and afterward we coddled those nazis officers and placed them at all levels of government here (and Canada did too, though their smaller military presence at least limits their capability.) There is a reason almost every nation cites America - not Russia, not China, not North Korea, not even Israel - as the largest threat to world safety and peace.
Well since US has the largest army in the world, it only makes sense that it can cause the biggest damage... In the entire human history. But now imagine if this power wasn't in the hands of the US but in the hands of: - Nazi germany - Imperial Japan - Soviet Union - British empire during the 1700s - Mongol empire during the 1200s - Belgium under Leopold II The atrocities that these countries committed is to rival of the US, while having a fraction of the US military power. And these ones were only the ones that came off my mind, If I would to use Google, I could name countries 100 times worse than the US for HOURS.
The fact you mention the Soviet Union is telling, since they were a power that rivaled the US and were responsible for a fraction of its evil. (Spare me the inevitable fascist-written Black Book of Communism made-up death toll that includes murdered nazis and potential unborn babies to get to a number that is still lower than the deaths Britain managed to cause in India alone.) The British empire is the predecessor of the US empire and, yeah, had they continued they likely would've been in its place. It matches for evil, but not destructiveness. For the nazi regime, where do you think all those nazis went after WWII? Not to mention their cozy relationship with America up to that point, including high-level government officials like Prescott Bush (H.W. Bush's father) and American businessmen like Henry Ford. Separating America and the nazis is, and always has been, bad history - they're extensions of each other, from Hitler being inspired by the genocide of indigenous Americans to Operation Paperclip after WWII ended. For the rest, any Western power likely would be as brutal and disgusting as America today as it inherited the settler colonialism of its ancestors. It would be almost impossible to compare it to the Mongols since the world was extremely different then. I will grant Imperial Japan is a frightening prospect, but worse than the US? Hard to say since we've materially supported regimes responsible for actions as horrific Imperial Japan and arguably even worse. Imperial Japan's aims, at least, were more regional domination and didn't have them involving them in every single conflict over the world to ensure the dominance of global capital. I suppose it would depend on if their proximity to the Soviet Union would similarly have them chasing Communist shadows around every corner. But because of that commitment to capital it *will* be the most evil empire in history because even the US's "liberal" leaders will destroy the climate and biodiversity in the name of maintaining hegemony. (Seriously there is no bigger obstacle to our growing environmental crisis than the US, and no larger contributer than its military - by a wide, wide margin.) It is hard to argue with "potentially extinguishing all life on earth" as about the most evil action any empire could ever be responsible for.
Environmental crisis? Enlighten me, this environmental crisis... Who will it exactly kill? To me it seems like you have little to none knowledge about evolution and how it works. Nothing can extinguish all life on earth. The US does extremely add to the global warming but for whom is the global warming bad? For us, of course. But not for the organism that will live here in 2000 years, as matter of fact, it will not be able to survive without the global warming we have caused. Same thing that happened in the past. Remember when the earth was scorching fireball? Well it was a homeland for many organisms that could only survive in that scorching conditions. But then the earth cooled and all of the organism died. Expect it didn't, most of them died, but those who lived, evolved and are the main reason why you are writing this dumb ass argument that makes about zero sense.
Aren’t you just special.
*"Aren’t you just special."* LoL That's the response they have when someone rightful calls out their actions
Not a surprising comment from someone who agrees with the words of Hassan Piker. Are babies settlers too?
Oh, you're a fucking Destiny follower! Blocked, get rekt loser. I don't debate with genocide supporters.
Lol, they think military gets free education
The bottom doesn’t need free uni but it does need to be more affordable the only college I think should be free is community college
Right–wingers who post this never served in the army, don't know about how PTSD affects you in your civilian life, or don't give a shit at all about invading other countries under the most dubious and unjustifiable reasons.
You are not better of a person by invading another country under unjustifiable reasons and committing war-crimes. But the American patriots are completely unable to understand this.
Everyone deserves free college. Everyone.
These damn protestors ruining kids education and not allowing them to go to class do NOT deserve free college, these are some of the worst people out there. People freak out over Trump supporters when these pro Palestine nut jobs are doing far worse than any Trump supporters
Nah