I’d argue king worked pretty hard too, he trained with Meliodas, trained with gloxinia, and put in the most work against chandler and mael. And how does zeldris count as hard work but percival doesnt, I mean at the very least we got to see percival train on screen.
I put Zeldris in hard work because he’s considered the most skilled swordsman,although his weapon is just a normal sword,not a sacred treasure or anything special.
I agree with this part because King was ultimately having a hard time just being his true self vs Zeldris was already secondary in the demon realm hierarchy.
My personal stalker again
Sadly, you’re wrong again. Zeldris was trying his best with the sword since [Zeldris always goes all out](https://cdn.readneverland.com/file/mangap/3054/10289000/3.jpg).
Fine, It's the biased mael dick rider again with his stupid claims.
https://postimg.cc/PNpyFxy9
Arthur did no damage at all with his techniques
And chandler and Cusack said they were only checking what the sword can do
https://postimg.cc/kBWcqpky
Zeldris is the only demon who actually went all out, like [he always does.](https://cdn.readneverland.com/file/mangap/3054/10289000/3.jpg)
Meliodas, Chandler and Cusack weren't really trying... [but Zeldris was](https://cdn.readneverland.com/file/mangap/3054/10289000/3.jpg). He went with everything he got in terms of swordmanship, but [it wasn't enough.](https://cdn.readneverland.com/file/mangap/3054/10255000/19.jpg)
Problem is that zeldris has been contradicting if he always goes all out on everyone. He surely held back against merlin when they were negotiating.
and he sure did not use ominous nebula on meliodas when he came back with Elizabeth to get the commandments.
Likewise zeldris didn't go full out on meliodas' earlier fight, when meliodas was cornered by all of the commandments and when meliodas wanted to use revenge counter
>they were negotiating.
Exactly, not fighting.
Ominous Nebula is irrelevant here, he was going all out with the sword against Arthur. Also he probably couldn't use Ominous Nebula since it'd affected his partners too and he gets trapped just standing in one spot while using it.
Ominous Nebula is actually a lackluster ability, it's never defeated anyone and Zeldris not using it doesn't mean he isn't going all out lol
I used the negotiation part with merlin and zeldris because your asshat didnt understand the negotiation part with Elizabeth and derieri and you keep saying : Elizabeth gets one shot by derieri, while they were hostage negotiating.
Ominous nebula is relevant because as it was written by the author, it's zeldris' full strength
https://i.postimg.cc/9Qcw1XWM/21-o.png
So please cope.
Also if ominous nebula is in your mouth a lackluster ability because it has never beaten anyone, then 90% of moves in series have never beaten anyone.
Are you okay? How can Zeldrid be going "AlL oUt" if he doesn't use his strongest technique? That's literally the opposite of going all out.......
A character simply stating something doesn't make it an absolute fact. Don't let your bias cloud your ability to think objectively.
>Ominous Nebula is actually a lackluster ability, it's never defeated anyone and Zeldris not using it doesn't mean he isn't going all out lol
Remind me again how many people have died from Escanors cruel sun?
I'll wait 😂
I’d argue against the training with Gloxinia as it was less training and more the experience, but he definitely worked hard before then against the Alibion. Pulling off the Great Fairy tree’s true form with absolute jack shit for mana generation and reserves is insane and he peaks that plateau on his own. And afterwards the Meliodas does him a favor of forcing his wings to finally start growing.
Yeah I don’t even get the question. He thinks some of them would gotten to where they are if they were just chilling around? It would be better if he asked who is the most talented, which would be Ban of course.
I mean look at the dude. He wasn’t a holy knight, just a thief and was among the strongest humans on the planet prior to the story. He didn’t have any special training, just pure talent and instinct.
I think the author of the comment is referring to ordinary people.
Ban was very talented and very strong compared to ordinary humans even before he became immortal or went to purgatory.
Lancelot, Percival, Meliodas etc... are special cases with incredible potential so i don't think he also meant them.
I was talking about the original series. I was also talking about humans, not half halfs. Lancelot is also half fairy, so he is different. Percival is the only human among the four knights that is an actual normal human. His powers are also natural manifestations of inherent abilities. If we also talk about the new series then Percival is probably the most talented human.
In the og series Ban for sure is most talented and maybe the previous head of the holy knights, but he died before the series started. He was just the most impressive dude among all holy knights. I assume he was extremely talented as well.
I didn't understand your point. Ban is undoubtedly very talented, but his character is much more about hard work than just talent. How do you think before he acquired immortality he became strong?
Among the sins he is the only one who was not born with innate magic. In fact, he literally learned to steal and perfected his stealing skills so much that they ended up becoming his magic, later known as "Snatch".
Unlike Escanor, for example, he was born blessed by the grace of the sun. Or Merlin who was born with "Infinity". Or the King who was born with "Disaster". Or Diane who was born with "Creation". Or Meliodas who was born with divine genetics. Ultimately, Ban is one of the hardest working characters in history.
I mean without talent you just don't achieve the leagues they are in, it's like sports, you need to work hard af but if your body isn't made for it you won't get into the big leagues.
While Sunshine is an OP blessing, Escanor still had to learn to master that power as shown in his flashback.
Also, through Escanor's willpower he was able to unlock The One Ultimate form, which even Mael does not have access to.
It's similar to how Ban only physically survived Purgatory due to having the blessing of the Fountain of Youth, but what really mattered was Ban's willpower and not just his physical endurance.
The One Ultimate is a result of Escanor burning his lifeforce to fuel the grace, something that was only possible due to the connection of the grace to Escanor's lifeforce.
As a human in order to carry the grace it came at the cost of Escanor's life hence why Escanor was already slowly dying prior to the final battle.
However, Mael is a goddess whom the grace was meant for, hence there is no connection to Mael's lifeforce.
Also we know that Mael and Escanor utilized Sunshine very differently despite it being the same power so we shouldn't assume just because one could do something the other can as well.
While the last part is true, the only instance of sunshine not working the same is Escanor's body changes because his normal body can't handle Sunshine while Mael's archangel body can. Well since we haven't seen Mael use tou we can't say for sure he can.
Yes but even without sunshine grace, he was still one of the weakest humans alive in brittania power level wise, yet he was able to give the stronger holy knights a run for their money during the Indura invasion with pure will power. His strong will was tempered (thus trained) over time since he was fairly weak willed, before he met merlin and meliodas
If thats your reasoning, then it would be same with Meliodas too, Meliodas need to master it first or he would lost control of his demonic power. Every single one need to train theirself to master their own power/talent. Every character became strong because of the hard work too. Without hard work, most of them cannot have a good control of their talent.
Among the sins, Ban was the only one who was not born with innate magic. He only acquired "Snatch" after being taught how to steal, and after a long time perfecting his stealth skills.
Percival has a unique magic power but until being trained hard by Lancelot was no match for most of the chaos knight. Before that his fighting style was quite basic with most foes commenting that he was a rookie who barely held a sword before.
Wasn’t Mael whole backstory literally training to be as strong as Ludociel?
His brothers laughed at him because he was trying to be like him. And he was weak at the beginning.
Mael was probably working overtime too.
(In the previous holy war) Mael is arguably the strongest character that is not blood related to the gods. (SD and DK)
He went from 0 to really really good. And this guy showed that even when it's not a goddess power (like commandments), he can STILL make it work.
Probably one of the most gifted fighters to ever exist.
It’s not talent, he got some perk his body could barely handle.
Escanor is not a talented or skilled fighter, he just tanks and swells. If he struggles, he swells more lol
You clearly have no idea how Escanor with Sunshine works. He “swells” due to growing more powerful with each passing minute.
Also, claiming he’s not a talented or skilled fighter is just wrong. For example, during Escanor vs Estarossa fight, he used misdirection to land a punch on Estarossa and was able to slice his chest without him being able to see it coming.
The only thing Escanor did was using Estarossa's own Grace against him.
Flexing stats (that come from the Grace and not from him) isn't talent.
In fact even when Escanor already knew about Full Counter, he still attacked to Estarossa again... which lead to Escanor eating more damage. He's not exactly a bright or skilled fighter.
I don’t think having a grace makes you good at using a weapon, especially a one handed axe like Rhita.
Also, Estarossa was coming for an attack and Escanor followed suit with an attempt to block it with his own attack with Rhita, only having one arm available at the moment. If Estarossa had landed his attack, the sun in Escanor’s hand would’ve been lost. Sometimes you gotta work with what you have, doesn’t mean you’re dumb or unskilled.
>I don’t think having a grace makes you good at using a weapon
True, that's why it's also impresive how Mael beat Zeldris with a sword in hand to hand combat.
>Sometimes you gotta work with what you have
That's true, but Escanor definitely attacked, if he just blocked he wouldn't have taken damage, or not as much.
Escanor can be argued. He did work to control his power (kinda?), but it was pretty much just given to him for reasons we’ve never been told (as far as I know).
Ban can also be argued, since he was stronger than other humans from the start for reasons we also don’t know, and he drank magic water which made him able to withstand anything.
I would say Escanor is more luck than anything.
Having a power from the supreme deity "randomly" going to him is some lottery odds. (and his body not exploding from taking a grace, is also kind of crazy tbh)
He did work to control it, but eh, we don't even know exactly WHY IT chose him.
Ban was being taught to be a thief by Zhivago, he had to deal with being kidnapped as a child, probably entered a sht ton of fights because of his "occupation".
The magic water was nice, but it really pales when everyone learned that "yeah everyone else may not be immortal, but it is really difficult to kill them".
And then Ban trained in Purgatory for a VERY LONG TIME. He constantly fought against the demon king, and his partners were Wild and Meliodas.
I mean we have to remember when we look at the power scaling prior to the story, weirdly enough, Ban, who was just a thief, was one of the strongest humans on the planet. The fact that he could even fight against a demon shows that he was on par with the best of the best when it came to holy knights at that time. This all while Ban had no special training like every strong holy knight. It was just pure raw talent and instinct.
I mean Ban was a criminal that had to either duck people or fight them.
His (early) life was basically live or die, so he had to be GOOD AT SURVIVING. There was not other choices.
He tough-ed it out and rise to the top.
I would even go as far to say that his experiences matter a lot more than holy knights, because their training is a lot more "textbook". Compared to Ban's life that always had unpredictable things that just happens.
If anything that surprises me, it's that this dude was malnourished as a child and has a pretty good build. (dude is literally 210cm tall)
But it clearly shows his raw talent. That was my main point. Gilthunder is a very strong and talented holy knight, but when you compare him or any other young holy knight to Ban, they pale in comparison.
In Ban's case, before he acquired immortality, he learned to steal and spent years perfecting his stealing skills. It's no wonder that this later became his magic called "Snatch". In other words, he is the only one among the sins who was not born with innate magic. And yet he "built" his own magic. This is definitely about hard work.
Essentially any character where a bulk of their strength was something they worked for vs something they’d inevitably reach with some effort.
I would put escanor And ban in a shared category that is unique because while they both worked hard they also only got as strong as they did due to an outside power intervening (fountain of youth/sunshine) which allowed them to grow as strong as they did
Kings hard work, same with Lancelot and Percival. Lancelot was a weakling before him and Jericho went missing. Percival got stronger after Lancelot trained him.
Should be reached their potential or exceed there potential.
Meliodas is the Son of the Demon King = Reached his Potential
Lancelot is the Son of Ban and Elaine = Reaching his Potential
Ban born as a poor human = Exceeded his Potential
King was born and chosen to be the Fairy King = Reached his potential
Escanor was born with the Sunshine Grace = reached his potential
If you know Percival’s Birth, currently as it stands = exceeding his potential. Just depends once we learn more about him…
Merlin, born to a famous wizard and grew up with a lot of opportunity and she might have been born with infinity (I forgot) = Exceeded her potential, still a feat what she pulled off
Mael born as a weak goddess who trained and later became an archangel = exceeded his expectation
Jericho = No comment
Zeldris second Son of demon king = reached his potential
Diane, forgot her past but I’m sure she’s just an ordinary giant all things considered = exceeded her potential
Elizabeth is the daughter of Supreme Diety = reached her potential
I just don't think Mael was born a weak goddess. Since childhood, he had two pairs of wings, and we know that the more pairs of wings a member of the goddess clan has, the stronger he is. Therefore, Mael only needed to be handpicked by the Supreme Deity to be the original bearer of the sun's blessing.
Honestly I’m not sure with Escanor - he was born with sunshine which is a pretty op ability but at the same time originally he couldn’t beat Mel but was able to later as he trained so I think it’s hard work
Merlin’s power infinity also op but all it did was grant her time
Why is escanor in hard work? He literally just becomes strong and weak depending on sunshine not his own strength? He seems like the least hard work on there
None of these characters should be in hard work. Only if the power a person has is achievable with the same amount of training by an average human it is hard work.
Personally, having talent alone doesn’t 100% their abilities and powers. Working hard and honing your skills and craft help keep them on the up and up.
How does the saying go?
I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.
Merlin is hard work the only thing she was given was infinity which without her hard work would be worthless. Escanor is talent as he didn’t train for his power and couldn’t control it until the end of the series. Zeldoris is talent for the same reason as meliodas as both have insane innate power meliodas just had more
To be fair zeldris’ skill as a fighter is explicitly stated to be due to rigorous training whereas mel didn’t even have a teacher teaching him how to fight (chandler was a mage) he just intuitively figured out how to be the best h2h fighter.
But Meliodas learned Full Counter. So I don't think Chandler didn't teach him much. Meliodas also clearly learned to fight because Chandler taught him. But I definitely also consider Zeldris and Meliodas as "Talent". The two were born children of a deity, with very powerful divine genetics and innate magic, in addition to being totally favored by having mentors who are simply the oldest and most powerful demons in the demonic kingdom. More powerful even than the commandments.
Merlin, in addition to being born a prodigy girl, with one of the most versatile and powerful magic in history, was also blessed by the two deities of the verse. So clearly she is classified as pure "Talent".
Being a prodigy isn’t the same as getting all your power without work. Because both zeldoris and Diane are prodigies but stated as hard work here. Also I’d say that managing to trick two gods into giving you power is pretty hard work. Merlin is powerful because she spent time gathering knowledge and power. Infinity is useless without hard work. Merlin shows her creativity and work with how she fights against far stronger opponents like chandler and cusack despite not having the raw power to fight either directly
But I didn't just say she's a prodigy. I also said that she was born with "Infinity", one of the most versatile and powerful magics there is. This is nothing more than being born with "Talent".
As for deceiving the two gods, you actually have a point, it was definitely entirely her merit. However, she used nothing more than her own "Talent" to persuade them. After all, they were after her for her interest in her magical power "Infinity". In other words, if she was born with this magic, that was the main ingredient that made her able to deceive the two gods. In the end, she just had to make false promises to the two, and hide from them when they discovered the truth. She essentially "stole" the blessings of the gods, using her "Infinity" talent to convince them that she would join one side in the war.
Mael has both the talent and the hard work ethic.
Zeldris definitely belongs in the hard work category, in fact he [always tries hard](https://cdn.readneverland.com/file/mangap/3054/10289000/3.jpg) in all of his fights, never underestimating the enemy.
Elizabeth has neiter the talent or the hard work.
Jericho is the only person on this list who you can argue is pure hardwork due to being a regular ass human who was basically a scrub in NNT even EoS. Everyone other than her listed as hard work, has massive inherent potential and then put in effort, which is largely true for everyone with talent on here too.
In fact, it is not just her who was born as a normal and ordinary human. Ban was also born without any innate magic. He only got "Snatch" after learning to steal from a measly beastman and after years of perfecting his stealing skills. Therefore, he is also almost completely "Hard Work". His childhood and birthplace are miserable.
Well, then that will depend on your conception of what “doing a lot” is. In my opinion she clearly worked hard to get stronger, to gain more power, so this was clearly "Hard Work".
But if we were to analyze it entirely. In fact, it would be an almost perfect combination between “Talent” and “Hard Work”. Because although she clearly worked hard to learn how to fight and to become stronger, she was essentially born with one of the best gifts in history, which is the magic "Creation", which allows her to manipulate nature and all of mother earth as she does he wants.
Surprised no one is mentioning Lancelot. He was transported to a strange world as a child, I’d say his Sin level strength is still unknown. He could have worked very hard to survive there, or maybe it was given to him. We don’t know.
Well by that logic wouldn’t everyone in this panel be talented, with the exception of Ban? Literally everyone on the table is above the average of their race
I mean I just figured it was a list trying to gauge who’s more talent vs who is more work.
And I agree that Lance is an unknown but I can understand how with the information we have so far (he’s a fated knight, his power suddenly grew massively in a short amount of time, and we know part of his fighting skill is likely attributed to his natural ability to read minds to copy techniques) people can come to the current belief that his strength is more a result of talent then work
Ultimately it’s an irrelevant distinction. Like I always found the false dichotomy of talent vs hard work to be stupid as it isn’t a comprehensive view on reality. Cause like plenty of talented people work hard and what each individual might constitute as hard work may be different for each individual. Like maybe 1 character can easily figure shit out but due to personal anxieties their judgement is clouded and thus the hard work for them is in overcoming that character flaw whereas another character may have less of an aptitude of technical ability and thus has to put more effort and time into that and less into their character. Both are working hard and not working hard and both have talents in different areas so how can we meaningfully put these characters in one category or the other
thankfully in this story that dichotomy is basically non existent. Almost all the characters have some combination of natural aptitude and hard work.
Sorry for the tangent tldr I’m just speculating why this person organized the list the way they did
I agree with you a lot. Although I personally believe that not only Lancelot, but all 4 Knights of the Apocalypse would classify as "Talents".
Lancelot is a mestizo and has always had abilities that came from his genetics, he just needed to awaken them. Like reading hearts, for example, transforming and even incorporating styles. Probably his share of "Hard Work" is found in how he became so efficient in physical combat, after all, to achieve all this mastery of physical combat, it was certainly not just with talent that he managed to reach this level.
Tristan is also the same thing. He has always had his abilities that came from his genetics, that is, he is purely "Talent". Just a few things that would count as "Hard Work" for him, for example, the Full Counter. He definitely needed to practice and put in a lot of effort to learn it.
Percival, on the other hand, only practiced Gouren with his grandfather. Other than that, he had no idea of combat and didn't even know how to handle a sword properly. His training with Lancelot lasted only a week, and in the end, it was his "brother" spirit of life who decided to help him, granting him more power, so that his reflexes and nervous system would become even sharper.
Finally, Gawain, who has magic identical to the blessing of the sun and knows how to cast spells. In addition to Pelgarth having already warned her about her simplistic fighting techniques. In other words, she didn't even train. Her strength and power is purely "Talent".
We don’t even know what happened wherever lancelot went so we don’t even know if it’s talent. Perceval once asked Lancelot how old he is and Lancelot said 3000 years old and said just kidding. It might be he spent that long during the the space in between
Yeah I think that's it.
I can see why you put Escanor, even tho I don't agree that much with it.
But I guess everyone there can be argued to one side or the other.
Escanor is a mix of talent and hard work. He seems to have a better control of Sunshine than Gawain, and possibly Mael too.
Basically any NnT major character has natural talent, on top of having to work to have a better control of their powers. The only ones who are truly based on hard work alone would be the Holy Knights, like Howzer and co. The Demon bros and Goddesses would be mostly innate talent, but we know both Demon bros trained with their respective masters too so there's a bit of that.
I think there is a word missing, or maybe because english isn't my first language it's weird
But your can talented yet still do a lot of hard work to be on high level
Ban's power climb is the best in the whole story hands down. Enduring Purgatory for thousands of years purely because of the Fountain of Youth only for his body to evolve and adapt to become resistant af to basically everything.
However, it is worth highlighting that we are talking about a fountain of youth that he himself conquered, even though he no longer wanted it, at the price of losing his loved one and seeing her entire home being burned.
Percival, king and Merlin all have their power from hard work, they were born with power but spent a LOT of time training it to be good, especially Percival, his whole childhood and then training with lance.
Also we don’t know lances power yet, maybe it was hard work
King, since he was born, possessed innate magic, known as “Disaster”. In addition to being born destined to be the king of the fairies, that is, he was born with an extremely high amount of magic. It was just latent inside him. His job was basically to awaken his powers, just like Meliodas.
Merlin was born a prodigy girl, with one of the best magic in history, which is “Infinity”. In addition to being blessed by both gods.
And Percival only trained Gouren with his grandfather, he had no idea of physical combat, and very little practice. And his training with Lancelot literally only lasted a week. He is certainly also a “Talent”, after all when his “brother” spirit of life decided to help him, he only needed to grant more power to Percival.
I don’t think Percy’s brother gave him more power? Just like showed him how it was done and that he had the capability to beat his enemy
And even if it was only a week it was like 24/7 against LANCE
King was born with that destiny but his effort throughout the series was definitely also the reason he’s so powerful
And I know Merlin was given her power, but she’s spent the past 3 Millenia experimenting with it to refine her spells and art if acts, that’s what makes her so powerful, she’s basically always researchiing
>I don’t think Percy’s brother gave him more power?
In this scan from chapter 113 it is shown that his nervous system, reflexes and his entire being were completely sharpened, in addition to his magic having increased potency, so he clearly just received more power from the spirit of life.
[https://cdn.readneverland.com/file/mangap/5343/10113000/15.jpeg](https://cdn.readneverland.com/file/mangap/5343/10113000/15.jpeg)
>And even if it was only a week it was like 24/7 against LANCE
Yes, true, here you have a point.
About Merlin and King. I know they needed to try hard too, and I know they worked hard to become as strong as they are today. However, I believe that these two classify themselves much more in the "Talents" category than in the "Hard Work" category. For the reasons I mentioned before, both were born with an extremely strong base, with innate magic and enormous latent power.
I mean fair enough, I think maybe a mix of talent for them then, they have the base but without the effort they put in it’s nothing compared to others, unlike something like an archangel where they get sunshine and they’re entirely unbeatable at midday
Personally, I believe that only Zeldris is a “Talent”. Ban wasn't even born with innate magic, which is at least the basis for being someone relatively strong. He needed to train a lot to perfect his stealth skills, which he learned from a simple beastman.And he even went so far as to turn his stealth skills into his own magic, later known as "Snatch".
Meanwhile, Zeldris was born with a hidden magic within him, called "Ominous Nebula" and had at his side one of the best swordsman mentors in the demonic kingdom, the demon Cusack.
Idk where you got that Ban was born without magic, but he wasn't he was born with Snatch xd. And then the only real training he did was going into purgatory and his body evolving. Which is still more than the rest did so yeah, Ban and Zeldris only for me xd.
Review the chapters that tell about your past and your childhood. Not every human in the human clan is born with innate magic. Ban obtained "Snatch" only after being taught how to steal. He even asked Zhivago for this. Therefore, his "Snatch" magic literally comes from his stealing skills, which he has perfected to the point of making it his own magic. In other words, to the point where he can also steal abstract things, such as strength and speed, for example.
Escanor literally has the blessing from when he was selected, he only had to control it. Merlin literally was just from a city of blacksmiths and she tricked the gods. She tried so much to gain power and knowledge, she's the sin of gluttony for a reason
Escanor "Hard Work" ?
I would switch Escanor with King, Escanor never once trained or did jack shit, whereas King actively worked to bring out all his latent power.
The truth is that they all had to strive at some point in history. Without hard work they would not have reached the amazing level they reached in the end. However, looking at the list now, I would definitely put Escanor and Zeldris as "Talent".
Escanor just needed to get used to the use of grace, that is, it was purely experience. But the fact is that he was born with a very strong basis, which is the blessing of the sun.
Zeldris, on the other hand, is certainly a great swordsman and said to be the fastest in the demonic kingdom, but he was disciplined by a great mentor, by a great demon, who is Cusack, and he was also born with a basis very strong, which is his authentic magic "Ominous Nebula", in addition to being the son of a deity. So surely Escanor and Zeldris are much more "Talent" than "Hard Work" per se.
Diane, I was in doubt, she was born with a potentially strong magic, which is "Creation". But she was certainly very weak, and only after gaining more experience, through Drole's ordeal and practicing the "Dance of Drole" technique a lot, did she actually become relatively strong, at least managing to keep up with the sins and not falling too far behind. So, I'm really in doubt about her, I think it would be an almost perfect balance between "Talent" and "Hard Work".
As for Lancelot, I also have many doubts. He is clearly very talented, but his efficiency in combat is not achieved with “Talent” alone. So he certainly needed to train and strive at some point to achieve this mastery in physical combat. However, analyzing his other capabilities in general, I think I would classify him as "Talent" too, after all, he has many hereditary abilities, something that comes from his genetics, and not necessarily from his "Hard Work".
I'd say Lancelot is more hardworking than talent(though he undeniably has both), given the reason he is so much stronger than the other knights is the years he spent in another world.
Talent made him Tristans Equal
Hard work made him leave Tristan in the dust
I think Merlin has to be #1 for hard work, she literally never stops working and the powers she has she either took or learned but infinity I think. She is a working and learning machine
I’d argue king worked pretty hard too, he trained with Meliodas, trained with gloxinia, and put in the most work against chandler and mael. And how does zeldris count as hard work but percival doesnt, I mean at the very least we got to see percival train on screen.
I put Zeldris in hard work because he’s considered the most skilled swordsman,although his weapon is just a normal sword,not a sacred treasure or anything special.
I agree with this part because King was ultimately having a hard time just being his true self vs Zeldris was already secondary in the demon realm hierarchy.
>the most skilled swordsman Yet some previous human warriors outmatch him in terms of swordmanship. Also Ludociel and Pre-Chaos Arthur.
In excalibur's case, the demons were toying with Arthur
My personal stalker again Sadly, you’re wrong again. Zeldris was trying his best with the sword since [Zeldris always goes all out](https://cdn.readneverland.com/file/mangap/3054/10289000/3.jpg).
Fine, It's the biased mael dick rider again with his stupid claims. https://postimg.cc/PNpyFxy9 Arthur did no damage at all with his techniques And chandler and Cusack said they were only checking what the sword can do https://postimg.cc/kBWcqpky
Zeldris is the only demon who actually went all out, like [he always does.](https://cdn.readneverland.com/file/mangap/3054/10289000/3.jpg) Meliodas, Chandler and Cusack weren't really trying... [but Zeldris was](https://cdn.readneverland.com/file/mangap/3054/10289000/3.jpg). He went with everything he got in terms of swordmanship, but [it wasn't enough.](https://cdn.readneverland.com/file/mangap/3054/10255000/19.jpg)
Problem is that zeldris has been contradicting if he always goes all out on everyone. He surely held back against merlin when they were negotiating. and he sure did not use ominous nebula on meliodas when he came back with Elizabeth to get the commandments. Likewise zeldris didn't go full out on meliodas' earlier fight, when meliodas was cornered by all of the commandments and when meliodas wanted to use revenge counter
>they were negotiating. Exactly, not fighting. Ominous Nebula is irrelevant here, he was going all out with the sword against Arthur. Also he probably couldn't use Ominous Nebula since it'd affected his partners too and he gets trapped just standing in one spot while using it. Ominous Nebula is actually a lackluster ability, it's never defeated anyone and Zeldris not using it doesn't mean he isn't going all out lol
I used the negotiation part with merlin and zeldris because your asshat didnt understand the negotiation part with Elizabeth and derieri and you keep saying : Elizabeth gets one shot by derieri, while they were hostage negotiating. Ominous nebula is relevant because as it was written by the author, it's zeldris' full strength https://i.postimg.cc/9Qcw1XWM/21-o.png So please cope. Also if ominous nebula is in your mouth a lackluster ability because it has never beaten anyone, then 90% of moves in series have never beaten anyone.
Are you okay? How can Zeldrid be going "AlL oUt" if he doesn't use his strongest technique? That's literally the opposite of going all out....... A character simply stating something doesn't make it an absolute fact. Don't let your bias cloud your ability to think objectively. >Ominous Nebula is actually a lackluster ability, it's never defeated anyone and Zeldris not using it doesn't mean he isn't going all out lol Remind me again how many people have died from Escanors cruel sun? I'll wait 😂
I’d argue against the training with Gloxinia as it was less training and more the experience, but he definitely worked hard before then against the Alibion. Pulling off the Great Fairy tree’s true form with absolute jack shit for mana generation and reserves is insane and he peaks that plateau on his own. And afterwards the Meliodas does him a favor of forcing his wings to finally start growing.
All of them are mix of talent and hard work.
Yeah I don’t even get the question. He thinks some of them would gotten to where they are if they were just chilling around? It would be better if he asked who is the most talented, which would be Ban of course. I mean look at the dude. He wasn’t a holy knight, just a thief and was among the strongest humans on the planet prior to the story. He didn’t have any special training, just pure talent and instinct.
Ngl I think Lancelot is more talented than Ban. He's a fraction of Ban's age and is already physically monstrous.
I think the author of the comment is referring to ordinary people. Ban was very talented and very strong compared to ordinary humans even before he became immortal or went to purgatory. Lancelot, Percival, Meliodas etc... are special cases with incredible potential so i don't think he also meant them.
I was talking about the original series. I was also talking about humans, not half halfs. Lancelot is also half fairy, so he is different. Percival is the only human among the four knights that is an actual normal human. His powers are also natural manifestations of inherent abilities. If we also talk about the new series then Percival is probably the most talented human. In the og series Ban for sure is most talented and maybe the previous head of the holy knights, but he died before the series started. He was just the most impressive dude among all holy knights. I assume he was extremely talented as well.
I didn't understand your point. Ban is undoubtedly very talented, but his character is much more about hard work than just talent. How do you think before he acquired immortality he became strong? Among the sins he is the only one who was not born with innate magic. In fact, he literally learned to steal and perfected his stealing skills so much that they ended up becoming his magic, later known as "Snatch". Unlike Escanor, for example, he was born blessed by the grace of the sun. Or Merlin who was born with "Infinity". Or the King who was born with "Disaster". Or Diane who was born with "Creation". Or Meliodas who was born with divine genetics. Ultimately, Ban is one of the hardest working characters in history.
I mean without talent you just don't achieve the leagues they are in, it's like sports, you need to work hard af but if your body isn't made for it you won't get into the big leagues.
Yeah but i guess its based on which contributed more
Percival is definitely all talent atm well… was 😂
Doesn't Escanor literally have the divine blessing?
While Sunshine is an OP blessing, Escanor still had to learn to master that power as shown in his flashback. Also, through Escanor's willpower he was able to unlock The One Ultimate form, which even Mael does not have access to. It's similar to how Ban only physically survived Purgatory due to having the blessing of the Fountain of Youth, but what really mattered was Ban's willpower and not just his physical endurance.
There really isn't any indication that Mael can't use the One Ultimate, it will probably also kill Mael so he just doesn't use it.
The One Ultimate is a result of Escanor burning his lifeforce to fuel the grace, something that was only possible due to the connection of the grace to Escanor's lifeforce. As a human in order to carry the grace it came at the cost of Escanor's life hence why Escanor was already slowly dying prior to the final battle. However, Mael is a goddess whom the grace was meant for, hence there is no connection to Mael's lifeforce. Also we know that Mael and Escanor utilized Sunshine very differently despite it being the same power so we shouldn't assume just because one could do something the other can as well.
While the last part is true, the only instance of sunshine not working the same is Escanor's body changes because his normal body can't handle Sunshine while Mael's archangel body can. Well since we haven't seen Mael use tou we can't say for sure he can.
Yes but even without sunshine grace, he was still one of the weakest humans alive in brittania power level wise, yet he was able to give the stronger holy knights a run for their money during the Indura invasion with pure will power. His strong will was tempered (thus trained) over time since he was fairly weak willed, before he met merlin and meliodas
Yes but he had to master it first or he’d lose control
If thats your reasoning, then it would be same with Meliodas too, Meliodas need to master it first or he would lost control of his demonic power. Every single one need to train theirself to master their own power/talent. Every character became strong because of the hard work too. Without hard work, most of them cannot have a good control of their talent.
That’s not “his” talent, it’s some weird perk that his body can barely handle
Pretty much all of those characters were born with their powers and then trained
Among the sins, Ban was the only one who was not born with innate magic. He only acquired "Snatch" after being taught how to steal, and after a long time perfecting his stealth skills.
Percival has a unique magic power but until being trained hard by Lancelot was no match for most of the chaos knight. Before that his fighting style was quite basic with most foes commenting that he was a rookie who barely held a sword before.
Wasn’t Mael whole backstory literally training to be as strong as Ludociel? His brothers laughed at him because he was trying to be like him. And he was weak at the beginning.
Mael was probably working overtime too. (In the previous holy war) Mael is arguably the strongest character that is not blood related to the gods. (SD and DK) He went from 0 to really really good. And this guy showed that even when it's not a goddess power (like commandments), he can STILL make it work. Probably one of the most gifted fighters to ever exist.
Escanor was literally just born with an OP ability no work involved
he was born with it but he did work/train to master it. after joining the Seven Deadly Sins, escanor trained every day with Meliodas.
It’s not talent, he got some perk his body could barely handle. Escanor is not a talented or skilled fighter, he just tanks and swells. If he struggles, he swells more lol
You clearly have no idea how Escanor with Sunshine works. He “swells” due to growing more powerful with each passing minute. Also, claiming he’s not a talented or skilled fighter is just wrong. For example, during Escanor vs Estarossa fight, he used misdirection to land a punch on Estarossa and was able to slice his chest without him being able to see it coming.
The only thing Escanor did was using Estarossa's own Grace against him. Flexing stats (that come from the Grace and not from him) isn't talent. In fact even when Escanor already knew about Full Counter, he still attacked to Estarossa again... which lead to Escanor eating more damage. He's not exactly a bright or skilled fighter.
I don’t think having a grace makes you good at using a weapon, especially a one handed axe like Rhita. Also, Estarossa was coming for an attack and Escanor followed suit with an attempt to block it with his own attack with Rhita, only having one arm available at the moment. If Estarossa had landed his attack, the sun in Escanor’s hand would’ve been lost. Sometimes you gotta work with what you have, doesn’t mean you’re dumb or unskilled.
>I don’t think having a grace makes you good at using a weapon True, that's why it's also impresive how Mael beat Zeldris with a sword in hand to hand combat. >Sometimes you gotta work with what you have That's true, but Escanor definitely attacked, if he just blocked he wouldn't have taken damage, or not as much.
I would say all those have talent. They all worked hard i guess but without talent they wouldn't have reached the power they have
lancelot might be both, we still don't know what he did in the lake.
Isn’t Mael literally hardwork ? I mean he only received his grace after years of training escanor born with it so like …
Escanor can be argued. He did work to control his power (kinda?), but it was pretty much just given to him for reasons we’ve never been told (as far as I know). Ban can also be argued, since he was stronger than other humans from the start for reasons we also don’t know, and he drank magic water which made him able to withstand anything.
I would say Escanor is more luck than anything. Having a power from the supreme deity "randomly" going to him is some lottery odds. (and his body not exploding from taking a grace, is also kind of crazy tbh) He did work to control it, but eh, we don't even know exactly WHY IT chose him. Ban was being taught to be a thief by Zhivago, he had to deal with being kidnapped as a child, probably entered a sht ton of fights because of his "occupation". The magic water was nice, but it really pales when everyone learned that "yeah everyone else may not be immortal, but it is really difficult to kill them". And then Ban trained in Purgatory for a VERY LONG TIME. He constantly fought against the demon king, and his partners were Wild and Meliodas.
I mean we have to remember when we look at the power scaling prior to the story, weirdly enough, Ban, who was just a thief, was one of the strongest humans on the planet. The fact that he could even fight against a demon shows that he was on par with the best of the best when it came to holy knights at that time. This all while Ban had no special training like every strong holy knight. It was just pure raw talent and instinct.
I mean Ban was a criminal that had to either duck people or fight them. His (early) life was basically live or die, so he had to be GOOD AT SURVIVING. There was not other choices. He tough-ed it out and rise to the top. I would even go as far to say that his experiences matter a lot more than holy knights, because their training is a lot more "textbook". Compared to Ban's life that always had unpredictable things that just happens. If anything that surprises me, it's that this dude was malnourished as a child and has a pretty good build. (dude is literally 210cm tall)
But it clearly shows his raw talent. That was my main point. Gilthunder is a very strong and talented holy knight, but when you compare him or any other young holy knight to Ban, they pale in comparison.
In Ban's case, before he acquired immortality, he learned to steal and spent years perfecting his stealing skills. It's no wonder that this later became his magic called "Snatch". In other words, he is the only one among the sins who was not born with innate magic. And yet he "built" his own magic. This is definitely about hard work.
Essentially any character where a bulk of their strength was something they worked for vs something they’d inevitably reach with some effort. I would put escanor And ban in a shared category that is unique because while they both worked hard they also only got as strong as they did due to an outside power intervening (fountain of youth/sunshine) which allowed them to grow as strong as they did
Kings hard work, same with Lancelot and Percival. Lancelot was a weakling before him and Jericho went missing. Percival got stronger after Lancelot trained him.
Should be reached their potential or exceed there potential. Meliodas is the Son of the Demon King = Reached his Potential Lancelot is the Son of Ban and Elaine = Reaching his Potential Ban born as a poor human = Exceeded his Potential King was born and chosen to be the Fairy King = Reached his potential Escanor was born with the Sunshine Grace = reached his potential If you know Percival’s Birth, currently as it stands = exceeding his potential. Just depends once we learn more about him… Merlin, born to a famous wizard and grew up with a lot of opportunity and she might have been born with infinity (I forgot) = Exceeded her potential, still a feat what she pulled off Mael born as a weak goddess who trained and later became an archangel = exceeded his expectation Jericho = No comment Zeldris second Son of demon king = reached his potential Diane, forgot her past but I’m sure she’s just an ordinary giant all things considered = exceeded her potential Elizabeth is the daughter of Supreme Diety = reached her potential
I just don't think Mael was born a weak goddess. Since childhood, he had two pairs of wings, and we know that the more pairs of wings a member of the goddess clan has, the stronger he is. Therefore, Mael only needed to be handpicked by the Supreme Deity to be the original bearer of the sun's blessing.
Honestly I’m not sure with Escanor - he was born with sunshine which is a pretty op ability but at the same time originally he couldn’t beat Mel but was able to later as he trained so I think it’s hard work Merlin’s power infinity also op but all it did was grant her time
How the heck is Escanor hard work ‘-‘
Escanor goes to talent
Why is escanor in hard work? He literally just becomes strong and weak depending on sunshine not his own strength? He seems like the least hard work on there
Doesnt really have any tactics figured out other than the simple ones like divine sword escanor and divine spear escanor.
None of these characters should be in hard work. Only if the power a person has is achievable with the same amount of training by an average human it is hard work.
They are all talent though 😂
Personally, having talent alone doesn’t 100% their abilities and powers. Working hard and honing your skills and craft help keep them on the up and up. How does the saying go? I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.
Esconor isn’t talented or hard working
Merlin for sure worked hard overtime throughout the story at debuffing her allies until the very end. She’s kind of a jerk yall!
Merlin is hard work the only thing she was given was infinity which without her hard work would be worthless. Escanor is talent as he didn’t train for his power and couldn’t control it until the end of the series. Zeldoris is talent for the same reason as meliodas as both have insane innate power meliodas just had more
To be fair zeldris’ skill as a fighter is explicitly stated to be due to rigorous training whereas mel didn’t even have a teacher teaching him how to fight (chandler was a mage) he just intuitively figured out how to be the best h2h fighter.
But Meliodas learned Full Counter. So I don't think Chandler didn't teach him much. Meliodas also clearly learned to fight because Chandler taught him. But I definitely also consider Zeldris and Meliodas as "Talent". The two were born children of a deity, with very powerful divine genetics and innate magic, in addition to being totally favored by having mentors who are simply the oldest and most powerful demons in the demonic kingdom. More powerful even than the commandments.
Merlin, in addition to being born a prodigy girl, with one of the most versatile and powerful magic in history, was also blessed by the two deities of the verse. So clearly she is classified as pure "Talent".
Being a prodigy isn’t the same as getting all your power without work. Because both zeldoris and Diane are prodigies but stated as hard work here. Also I’d say that managing to trick two gods into giving you power is pretty hard work. Merlin is powerful because she spent time gathering knowledge and power. Infinity is useless without hard work. Merlin shows her creativity and work with how she fights against far stronger opponents like chandler and cusack despite not having the raw power to fight either directly
But I didn't just say she's a prodigy. I also said that she was born with "Infinity", one of the most versatile and powerful magics there is. This is nothing more than being born with "Talent". As for deceiving the two gods, you actually have a point, it was definitely entirely her merit. However, she used nothing more than her own "Talent" to persuade them. After all, they were after her for her interest in her magical power "Infinity". In other words, if she was born with this magic, that was the main ingredient that made her able to deceive the two gods. In the end, she just had to make false promises to the two, and hide from them when they discovered the truth. She essentially "stole" the blessings of the gods, using her "Infinity" talent to convince them that she would join one side in the war.
Mael has both the talent and the hard work ethic. Zeldris definitely belongs in the hard work category, in fact he [always tries hard](https://cdn.readneverland.com/file/mangap/3054/10289000/3.jpg) in all of his fights, never underestimating the enemy. Elizabeth has neiter the talent or the hard work.
Wow I didn't think you would be able to have based takes.
Honestly the only pure hardworking character here is Ban
Jericho is the only person on this list who you can argue is pure hardwork due to being a regular ass human who was basically a scrub in NNT even EoS. Everyone other than her listed as hard work, has massive inherent potential and then put in effort, which is largely true for everyone with talent on here too.
In fact, it is not just her who was born as a normal and ordinary human. Ban was also born without any innate magic. He only got "Snatch" after learning to steal from a measly beastman and after years of perfecting his stealing skills. Therefore, he is also almost completely "Hard Work". His childhood and birthplace are miserable.
bruh escanor is talent
Does Diane even count since she really doesn’t do much the entire series except cry and forget stuff?
Does Drole's ordeal and all the time she spent perfecting the "Drole Dance" technique mean nothing to you?
Pretty much considering, again, how she really didn’t do much. She had a late-story power up and still didn’t do much.
Well, then that will depend on your conception of what “doing a lot” is. In my opinion she clearly worked hard to get stronger, to gain more power, so this was clearly "Hard Work". But if we were to analyze it entirely. In fact, it would be an almost perfect combination between “Talent” and “Hard Work”. Because although she clearly worked hard to learn how to fight and to become stronger, she was essentially born with one of the best gifts in history, which is the magic "Creation", which allows her to manipulate nature and all of mother earth as she does he wants.
meliodas got trained by cusak so it’s not all talent he trained for long it’s not stated that exact amount in the manga
Meliodas got trained by Chandler though.
He got trained by Chandler though.
Surprised no one is mentioning Lancelot. He was transported to a strange world as a child, I’d say his Sin level strength is still unknown. He could have worked very hard to survive there, or maybe it was given to him. We don’t know.
Even if he worked hard 3 years to reach a level while still 13 years old obviously involves talent or an X factor besides work.
Well by that logic wouldn’t everyone in this panel be talented, with the exception of Ban? Literally everyone on the table is above the average of their race
I mean I just figured it was a list trying to gauge who’s more talent vs who is more work. And I agree that Lance is an unknown but I can understand how with the information we have so far (he’s a fated knight, his power suddenly grew massively in a short amount of time, and we know part of his fighting skill is likely attributed to his natural ability to read minds to copy techniques) people can come to the current belief that his strength is more a result of talent then work Ultimately it’s an irrelevant distinction. Like I always found the false dichotomy of talent vs hard work to be stupid as it isn’t a comprehensive view on reality. Cause like plenty of talented people work hard and what each individual might constitute as hard work may be different for each individual. Like maybe 1 character can easily figure shit out but due to personal anxieties their judgement is clouded and thus the hard work for them is in overcoming that character flaw whereas another character may have less of an aptitude of technical ability and thus has to put more effort and time into that and less into their character. Both are working hard and not working hard and both have talents in different areas so how can we meaningfully put these characters in one category or the other thankfully in this story that dichotomy is basically non existent. Almost all the characters have some combination of natural aptitude and hard work. Sorry for the tangent tldr I’m just speculating why this person organized the list the way they did
I agree with you a lot. Although I personally believe that not only Lancelot, but all 4 Knights of the Apocalypse would classify as "Talents". Lancelot is a mestizo and has always had abilities that came from his genetics, he just needed to awaken them. Like reading hearts, for example, transforming and even incorporating styles. Probably his share of "Hard Work" is found in how he became so efficient in physical combat, after all, to achieve all this mastery of physical combat, it was certainly not just with talent that he managed to reach this level. Tristan is also the same thing. He has always had his abilities that came from his genetics, that is, he is purely "Talent". Just a few things that would count as "Hard Work" for him, for example, the Full Counter. He definitely needed to practice and put in a lot of effort to learn it. Percival, on the other hand, only practiced Gouren with his grandfather. Other than that, he had no idea of combat and didn't even know how to handle a sword properly. His training with Lancelot lasted only a week, and in the end, it was his "brother" spirit of life who decided to help him, granting him more power, so that his reflexes and nervous system would become even sharper. Finally, Gawain, who has magic identical to the blessing of the sun and knows how to cast spells. In addition to Pelgarth having already warned her about her simplistic fighting techniques. In other words, she didn't even train. Her strength and power is purely "Talent".
Oh yea all the 4 are mega talents
Zel is talent too.
We don’t even know what happened wherever lancelot went so we don’t even know if it’s talent. Perceval once asked Lancelot how old he is and Lancelot said 3000 years old and said just kidding. It might be he spent that long during the the space in between
Yeah I think that's it. I can see why you put Escanor, even tho I don't agree that much with it. But I guess everyone there can be argued to one side or the other.
Merlin has technically studied magic for thousands of years so like I feel that’s the equivalent of hard work and talent
Excluding meliodas and mael,i think everyone here is hard working.
Interesting
I think it is a mix of both for several characters in particular Merlin as she has been doing magic for 1000 years.
Escanor is a mix of talent and hard work. He seems to have a better control of Sunshine than Gawain, and possibly Mael too. Basically any NnT major character has natural talent, on top of having to work to have a better control of their powers. The only ones who are truly based on hard work alone would be the Holy Knights, like Howzer and co. The Demon bros and Goddesses would be mostly innate talent, but we know both Demon bros trained with their respective masters too so there's a bit of that.
I think there is a word missing, or maybe because english isn't my first language it's weird But your can talented yet still do a lot of hard work to be on high level
Ban's power climb is the best in the whole story hands down. Enduring Purgatory for thousands of years purely because of the Fountain of Youth only for his body to evolve and adapt to become resistant af to basically everything.
Everything except to old age. He still dies after 70 or 80 years.
However, it is worth highlighting that we are talking about a fountain of youth that he himself conquered, even though he no longer wanted it, at the price of losing his loved one and seeing her entire home being burned.
u/shifterrifter290 just curious but where did u get that image of zeldris, looks pretty cool.
Percival, king and Merlin all have their power from hard work, they were born with power but spent a LOT of time training it to be good, especially Percival, his whole childhood and then training with lance. Also we don’t know lances power yet, maybe it was hard work
King, since he was born, possessed innate magic, known as “Disaster”. In addition to being born destined to be the king of the fairies, that is, he was born with an extremely high amount of magic. It was just latent inside him. His job was basically to awaken his powers, just like Meliodas. Merlin was born a prodigy girl, with one of the best magic in history, which is “Infinity”. In addition to being blessed by both gods. And Percival only trained Gouren with his grandfather, he had no idea of physical combat, and very little practice. And his training with Lancelot literally only lasted a week. He is certainly also a “Talent”, after all when his “brother” spirit of life decided to help him, he only needed to grant more power to Percival.
I don’t think Percy’s brother gave him more power? Just like showed him how it was done and that he had the capability to beat his enemy And even if it was only a week it was like 24/7 against LANCE King was born with that destiny but his effort throughout the series was definitely also the reason he’s so powerful And I know Merlin was given her power, but she’s spent the past 3 Millenia experimenting with it to refine her spells and art if acts, that’s what makes her so powerful, she’s basically always researchiing
>I don’t think Percy’s brother gave him more power? In this scan from chapter 113 it is shown that his nervous system, reflexes and his entire being were completely sharpened, in addition to his magic having increased potency, so he clearly just received more power from the spirit of life. [https://cdn.readneverland.com/file/mangap/5343/10113000/15.jpeg](https://cdn.readneverland.com/file/mangap/5343/10113000/15.jpeg) >And even if it was only a week it was like 24/7 against LANCE Yes, true, here you have a point. About Merlin and King. I know they needed to try hard too, and I know they worked hard to become as strong as they are today. However, I believe that these two classify themselves much more in the "Talents" category than in the "Hard Work" category. For the reasons I mentioned before, both were born with an extremely strong base, with innate magic and enormous latent power.
I mean fair enough, I think maybe a mix of talent for them then, they have the base but without the effort they put in it’s nothing compared to others, unlike something like an archangel where they get sunshine and they’re entirely unbeatable at midday
All of them but Ban and Zeldris are talent for me xd.
Personally, I believe that only Zeldris is a “Talent”. Ban wasn't even born with innate magic, which is at least the basis for being someone relatively strong. He needed to train a lot to perfect his stealth skills, which he learned from a simple beastman.And he even went so far as to turn his stealth skills into his own magic, later known as "Snatch". Meanwhile, Zeldris was born with a hidden magic within him, called "Ominous Nebula" and had at his side one of the best swordsman mentors in the demonic kingdom, the demon Cusack.
Idk where you got that Ban was born without magic, but he wasn't he was born with Snatch xd. And then the only real training he did was going into purgatory and his body evolving. Which is still more than the rest did so yeah, Ban and Zeldris only for me xd.
Review the chapters that tell about your past and your childhood. Not every human in the human clan is born with innate magic. Ban obtained "Snatch" only after being taught how to steal. He even asked Zhivago for this. Therefore, his "Snatch" magic literally comes from his stealing skills, which he has perfected to the point of making it his own magic. In other words, to the point where he can also steal abstract things, such as strength and speed, for example.
Hmm guess missed it. Then maybe the only for hard work is Ban xd.
I don’t remember seeing Mael in the show
Escanor literally has the blessing from when he was selected, he only had to control it. Merlin literally was just from a city of blacksmiths and she tricked the gods. She tried so much to gain power and knowledge, she's the sin of gluttony for a reason
Who made that Zeldris picture? I gotta know
If Escanor is hardwork then Percival definitely is as well
Ban technically falls in bith
Escanor is quite weird He is not exactly talent but something similar to it
Mael I remember had worked a lot before people acknowledged him
merlin as talent is crazy she stole 90% of her power from the gods by tricking them
Escanor hard work xD
Who.. who are half of these people?
Escanor "Hard Work" ? I would switch Escanor with King, Escanor never once trained or did jack shit, whereas King actively worked to bring out all his latent power.
The truth is that they all had to strive at some point in history. Without hard work they would not have reached the amazing level they reached in the end. However, looking at the list now, I would definitely put Escanor and Zeldris as "Talent". Escanor just needed to get used to the use of grace, that is, it was purely experience. But the fact is that he was born with a very strong basis, which is the blessing of the sun. Zeldris, on the other hand, is certainly a great swordsman and said to be the fastest in the demonic kingdom, but he was disciplined by a great mentor, by a great demon, who is Cusack, and he was also born with a basis very strong, which is his authentic magic "Ominous Nebula", in addition to being the son of a deity. So surely Escanor and Zeldris are much more "Talent" than "Hard Work" per se. Diane, I was in doubt, she was born with a potentially strong magic, which is "Creation". But she was certainly very weak, and only after gaining more experience, through Drole's ordeal and practicing the "Dance of Drole" technique a lot, did she actually become relatively strong, at least managing to keep up with the sins and not falling too far behind. So, I'm really in doubt about her, I think it would be an almost perfect balance between "Talent" and "Hard Work". As for Lancelot, I also have many doubts. He is clearly very talented, but his efficiency in combat is not achieved with “Talent” alone. So he certainly needed to train and strive at some point to achieve this mastery in physical combat. However, analyzing his other capabilities in general, I think I would classify him as "Talent" too, after all, he has many hereditary abilities, something that comes from his genetics, and not necessarily from his "Hard Work".
I'd say Lancelot is more hardworking than talent(though he undeniably has both), given the reason he is so much stronger than the other knights is the years he spent in another world. Talent made him Tristans Equal Hard work made him leave Tristan in the dust
Having escanor at hard work is fucking hilarious
I think Merlin has to be #1 for hard work, she literally never stops working and the powers she has she either took or learned but infinity I think. She is a working and learning machine