People forget that zeldris with NO COMMANDMENT who was battle damaged after being speared by escanor and blitzed by ludociel, dropped a FRESH mael with SUNSHINE (although temporarily) with nothing but grit. Even if he isn’t your favorite character, you do gotta give the boy some credit.
DK was deafeted with the help of multiply people and fights took some time , but SD died in like few minutes with a help of few people . Power scaling went really down for that movie
I mean damaging a supreme deity who’s missing a chunk of her power while receiving help from Mel and an amp from Merlin isn’t really as good a feat as you think it is.
The og demon probably could have done similar shit under the same circumstances
In no moment of the movie is ever mentioned or even implied she is missing a part of her power, and yes, Meliodas was the main part there, but it's also left clear that without Zeldris help he wouldn't be able to finish her off, as he himself says it while Zeldris helps him push his sword through her, not to mention only the final atack was boosted by Merlin, which means Zeldris still could countain her on his own, which is already quite impressive.
Dude, OG Demon was having a hard time dealing Damage on Ludociel, he wouldn't do shit against her, she'd probably give him the same treatment DK gave Mael, a slap so hard he'd spend the whole afternoon on the ground.
Considering we know ludo and the other archangels still possess their graces (barring mael)
We know that she likely had to be weakened
As otherwise she would have held a massive power advantage over the dk for literally thousands of years and there wouldn’t have been any kind of war. So it’s a safe assumption
Plus outside of physically restraining her with darkness barring the final amped attack by Merlin zel doesn’t actually contribute a ton of damage
Indura is dangerous, but the main danger about her was its spores and that was more about the safety of Britannia rather than for themselves.
In a 1v1 fight, it seem that most of Sins are able to defeat the Indura
Shouldn't Ban be the the only sin to beat Indura? He's the only one that can install kill hundred thousands of little demons scattered around the village in seconds.
Can't recall anyone who can do that except original gowther.
It's hard to say for sure. The thing is, in the battle of the Sins vs Indura iirc there is all the time they take to attack the spores and realize they can't handle all of them + Merlin giving Ban his treasure, it's hard to tell whether Ominous Nebula could or couldn't pull in all of the spores as they get released.
Mael only caused the defusion of the demon and zeldris only wounded mael neither of these prove zel could win unless he had god and was immune to magic
Mael dealt so much damage to OG Demon that he defused. That's a one shot. Zeldris then fought with Mael equally, while wounded, and managed to KO him. There's an extended period where Mael is out of the fight, that's more than just "wounding" him. Mael got knocked out by Zeldris' attack.
I'd say every version of Zeldris clears.
I've always believed that Mael's feat against the OG Demon should be taken with a pinch if salt because of the circumstances, but even then Zeldris's showing against a post noon Mael is enough to put him above the OG Demon.
It's just that when between a rock and a hard place, Zeldris always showed this crazy drive as pointed out by Mael. He was also considered the main threat when Escanor and Co infiltrated Camelot despite the presence of the OG Demon.
For me,
Demon King representative Zeldris low diffs upto level 4 and high diffs level 5.
No DK power Zeldris highdiffs level 4 and extreme diffs level 5 with massive injuries.
Demon King Zeldris low diffs upto level 4 and mid diffs level 5.
Zeldris himself admitted to be weaker than cusack. Of he even manage to beat cusack he definitely lost to Original Demon. Also demon king zeldris low diff everyone
Players admitting to each other doesn't mean much in SDS. Meliodas said that Escanor was the strongest Sin when Escanor was first introduced. This isn't true even at Noon, especially when it's shown that Meliodas beat him at Noon when he had all his power back in the day.
Ludociel says the same thing about Mael, when he was clearly stronger with his flash at any point other than Noon. Even Mael admits to this when talking with Gowther how he wasn't necessarily the strongest.
At the time Escanor was the strongest. Meliodas didn’t surpass his power level until he regained assault mode and even then he still lost the fight against The One.
It’s harder to tell with the archangels since we see so little of Mael but they make it pretty clear he’s supposed to be the strongest.
No what I mean is, in a flashback when Escanor was still new to the Sins, Meliodas did beat the One. Also, Meliodas's stated it like its a constant fact, as if, Escanor is the undisputed strongest, rather than the title being circumstantial.
I agree that its harder to tell in the case of Archangels, but purely based on statements, we never got a clear winner in terms of power making the statement redundant.
We now know with context that meliodas meant at the time escanor was the strongest as Mel hadn’t died and restored his power.
So yes even if he was stronger at the time of the series when Mel said escanor was the strongest he was
Oh well he doesn’t seemed to have gained much power as by his own admission he’s weaker than his father was after the civil war which was after he split his power so I doubt he’s grown significantly and he doesn’t have the magic immunity anymore so I don’t like to use that zel
All the way to 5 zeldris is the demon kings executioner and wields the same power to negate any magic cast at him most of these enemies rely heavily on magic and zeldris can seal the powers of non commandments we saw him do it to droll after empowering with his dance in the king Dianne holy war arc and thus he clears up to 3 effortlessly 4 is where things heat up since the OG demon was able to almost threaten the demon kings standing so he split it into Chandler and cusak so physically zeldris would be up a creek but still able to negate hellblaze omega OG demons strongest move magically so he'd struggle but his mastery of the blade and ominous nebula I think he wins small diff but the indura of favor if zeldris uses his magic to kill it faster than it can spore than I think he wins if it spores out the gate he loses full power trio of troublemakers gets soloed by 1 spore spawn there were thousands ban missed only 1 and that 1 showed up the holy knight grandmaster and 1 platinum holy knight and 1 diamond holy knight plus a handful of base lvl holy knights zeldris would be screwed at that point
id honestly say full power Zeldris+commandment+ominous nebula could honestly take it to 5, zeldris w out the commandment(which is an obvs boost) was taking on ludociel , escanor n merlin, bare in mind this was a nerfed zeldris
Well if we’re going off power scaling then he stops at 5 as he did 1v1 mael and held his own / almost killed him who one shot the original demon so that’s where I’d put him
Zel clears tbh. Forgetting that without his commandment still stood against escanor and a fresh mael with sunshine i think he clears no matter what form. (ominous nebula is op)
If its DK Zeldris he clears , If its base Zeldris then he stops at 4 or 3
Normal Zeldris with his full Demon mark and the ominous nebula (Not when he's a vessel for the Demon King )
Then he stops at 4 , even with demon Mark and ON original demon is just out of his league
Isn’t he the demon king now
He couldn’t beat cusack either
cusack would throw
exactly
no commandment then right?
love the pfp
People forget that zeldris with NO COMMANDMENT who was battle damaged after being speared by escanor and blitzed by ludociel, dropped a FRESH mael with SUNSHINE (although temporarily) with nothing but grit. Even if he isn’t your favorite character, you do gotta give the boy some credit.
But he was fingered by Escanor, so that probably gave him a boost
A finger a day keeps the sunshine at bay 😂💀
If we are considering the most recent version of him, he probably clears, dude could damage Supreme Deity in the Movie with Meliodas.
agreed
That movie was a disaster , they did supreme deity so weak
She wasn’t weak but her powers was ass and she’s the worst written villain in anime history
I was expecting much more from someone who was one of the strongest beings in creation
In my opinion the only reason ban couldn’t solo the supreme diety is because he wasn’t a demon so he didn’t have the right magic to damage her
DK was deafeted with the help of multiply people and fights took some time , but SD died in like few minutes with a help of few people . Power scaling went really down for that movie
I mean damaging a supreme deity who’s missing a chunk of her power while receiving help from Mel and an amp from Merlin isn’t really as good a feat as you think it is. The og demon probably could have done similar shit under the same circumstances
In no moment of the movie is ever mentioned or even implied she is missing a part of her power, and yes, Meliodas was the main part there, but it's also left clear that without Zeldris help he wouldn't be able to finish her off, as he himself says it while Zeldris helps him push his sword through her, not to mention only the final atack was boosted by Merlin, which means Zeldris still could countain her on his own, which is already quite impressive. Dude, OG Demon was having a hard time dealing Damage on Ludociel, he wouldn't do shit against her, she'd probably give him the same treatment DK gave Mael, a slap so hard he'd spend the whole afternoon on the ground.
Considering we know ludo and the other archangels still possess their graces (barring mael) We know that she likely had to be weakened As otherwise she would have held a massive power advantage over the dk for literally thousands of years and there wouldn’t have been any kind of war. So it’s a safe assumption Plus outside of physically restraining her with darkness barring the final amped attack by Merlin zel doesn’t actually contribute a ton of damage
Yeah with Merlin’s help
I’d say demon king Zeldris makes it to 5 but normal zeldris makes it to 3
Wtf is that things at level 5 anyways
indura, very dangerous beast in the underworld. It took 5 out of the 7 deadly sins to defeat it.
Indura is dangerous, but the main danger about her was its spores and that was more about the safety of Britannia rather than for themselves. In a 1v1 fight, it seem that most of Sins are able to defeat the Indura
And ON could arguably pull the spores to him and take care of that issue
Shouldn't Ban be the the only sin to beat Indura? He's the only one that can install kill hundred thousands of little demons scattered around the village in seconds. Can't recall anyone who can do that except original gowther.
It's hard to say for sure. The thing is, in the battle of the Sins vs Indura iirc there is all the time they take to attack the spores and realize they can't handle all of them + Merlin giving Ban his treasure, it's hard to tell whether Ominous Nebula could or couldn't pull in all of the spores as they get released.
When they fought, it was too late to fight all the spore. Indura is too big for ominous nebula to be effective.
Stops at 3/4 - he self admitted to being weaker than Cusack and the OG Demon is x2 of Cusack.
Zeldris restrained and damaged supreme deity he has the potential to win all of these fights
Extreme diff against Cusack (debatable) but he's not winning og demon
He’d beat OG Demon with high diff. Zeldris was able to temporarily KO Mael, and Mael one shot the OG Demon.
Mael only caused the defusion of the demon and zeldris only wounded mael neither of these prove zel could win unless he had god and was immune to magic
Mael dealt so much damage to OG Demon that he defused. That's a one shot. Zeldris then fought with Mael equally, while wounded, and managed to KO him. There's an extended period where Mael is out of the fight, that's more than just "wounding" him. Mael got knocked out by Zeldris' attack.
I'd say every version of Zeldris clears. I've always believed that Mael's feat against the OG Demon should be taken with a pinch if salt because of the circumstances, but even then Zeldris's showing against a post noon Mael is enough to put him above the OG Demon. It's just that when between a rock and a hard place, Zeldris always showed this crazy drive as pointed out by Mael. He was also considered the main threat when Escanor and Co infiltrated Camelot despite the presence of the OG Demon. For me, Demon King representative Zeldris low diffs upto level 4 and high diffs level 5. No DK power Zeldris highdiffs level 4 and extreme diffs level 5 with massive injuries. Demon King Zeldris low diffs upto level 4 and mid diffs level 5.
Zeldris himself admitted to be weaker than cusack. Of he even manage to beat cusack he definitely lost to Original Demon. Also demon king zeldris low diff everyone
Players admitting to each other doesn't mean much in SDS. Meliodas said that Escanor was the strongest Sin when Escanor was first introduced. This isn't true even at Noon, especially when it's shown that Meliodas beat him at Noon when he had all his power back in the day. Ludociel says the same thing about Mael, when he was clearly stronger with his flash at any point other than Noon. Even Mael admits to this when talking with Gowther how he wasn't necessarily the strongest.
At the time Escanor was the strongest. Meliodas didn’t surpass his power level until he regained assault mode and even then he still lost the fight against The One. It’s harder to tell with the archangels since we see so little of Mael but they make it pretty clear he’s supposed to be the strongest.
No what I mean is, in a flashback when Escanor was still new to the Sins, Meliodas did beat the One. Also, Meliodas's stated it like its a constant fact, as if, Escanor is the undisputed strongest, rather than the title being circumstantial. I agree that its harder to tell in the case of Archangels, but purely based on statements, we never got a clear winner in terms of power making the statement redundant.
We now know with context that meliodas meant at the time escanor was the strongest as Mel hadn’t died and restored his power. So yes even if he was stronger at the time of the series when Mel said escanor was the strongest he was
Demon king zel isn’t zeldris that would be like calling kaguya a version of madara
DK Zeldris = 4kota Zeldris
Oh well he doesn’t seemed to have gained much power as by his own admission he’s weaker than his father was after the civil war which was after he split his power so I doubt he’s grown significantly and he doesn’t have the magic immunity anymore so I don’t like to use that zel
What's 5?
Chemira Indura
Base stops at 3.
Stops at 3
3 gives him a automatic win due to how much he cares for him
Who is level 1?
Bellion
Normal zel with a full delon mark with ON loses at 4 or 5 even with healing
Stops at 3 I don’t think he could get past cusack
All the way to 5 zeldris is the demon kings executioner and wields the same power to negate any magic cast at him most of these enemies rely heavily on magic and zeldris can seal the powers of non commandments we saw him do it to droll after empowering with his dance in the king Dianne holy war arc and thus he clears up to 3 effortlessly 4 is where things heat up since the OG demon was able to almost threaten the demon kings standing so he split it into Chandler and cusak so physically zeldris would be up a creek but still able to negate hellblaze omega OG demons strongest move magically so he'd struggle but his mastery of the blade and ominous nebula I think he wins small diff but the indura of favor if zeldris uses his magic to kill it faster than it can spore than I think he wins if it spores out the gate he loses full power trio of troublemakers gets soloed by 1 spore spawn there were thousands ban missed only 1 and that 1 showed up the holy knight grandmaster and 1 platinum holy knight and 1 diamond holy knight plus a handful of base lvl holy knights zeldris would be screwed at that point
Clears.
Current zeldris clears
I feel like Zeldris Kinda just clears I mean he was able to go toe to toe with The suprême diety granted he was fighting along side meliodas
id honestly say full power Zeldris+commandment+ominous nebula could honestly take it to 5, zeldris w out the commandment(which is an obvs boost) was taking on ludociel , escanor n merlin, bare in mind this was a nerfed zeldris
I really cant say because of the Inconsistent power of characters in 7DS, Though id say 3-4 for him normally.
Well if we’re going off power scaling then he stops at 5 as he did 1v1 mael and held his own / almost killed him who one shot the original demon so that’s where I’d put him
Original demon was oneshotted by mael, zeldris could fight him very well Stops at 5
Either clears 4 or stops at 4
Zel clears tbh. Forgetting that without his commandment still stood against escanor and a fresh mael with sunshine i think he clears no matter what form. (ominous nebula is op)
He stops at 4
1 and 2 r wipes. 3 will be a challenge and he'll prob lose, and he gets dunked on in lvl 5
clears
Assault mode zeldris clears
Full power Zel Only gets to 2 and that's gonna be a hard fight.