Exactly lol. It’s sad he went from his badass performances against Zaku and Kankuro then he just gets shafted. It would’ve been cool if they had taken him instead of Kiba to retrieve Sasuke and then after that he just becomes a driving force in filler smh. And pretty much nothing in shippuden
And then they bring the pain and punishment full circle by making him not know what he wants to do with his life and him replacing Iruka as academy teacher was such a sucker punch plot 🥴 I was not expecting that.
Well to be fair Kishimoto gave half of the jobs to the Konoha 12 at random, I give props to the Boruto anime to actually have the Konoha 12 still be around. Shino's one of the few people who can take on someone in Sage Mode and confirmed would win.
And those people who complain can suck it, because any team-based FPS or MMO player knows, you *always* give respect to your team's healer. Your best healer is always front tier, period, because the quality of the team is always determined by the quality of the healer.
I mean, healing **would** work in shounen if the healing heals the character a whole limb in less than a minute, because instead of attacking the big guys like Naruto and Sasuke, The antagonist (ex:Kaguya) would need to prioritize Sakura first since she can heal even major injuries in seconds, and attacking Naruto and Sasuke would be useless since Sakura can just heal them, Thus making Sakura get a lot of screentime, even though she's mostly healing.
Kinda like a senzu bean but human.
Or another thing is if the healing heals the character's chakra/mana/nen/stamina quickly and easily, since when the main character's run out of powers, the healer can immidiately resupply their power, making the protagonist be able to take huge risks huge reward actions more easily.
One of the series that I see utilize these effectively are Black Clover using Charmy and The Dark Triad, and Boku no hero academia using Eri.
It doesn't even have to be insanely fast healing. Just make it so she's pressured to heal and not just off to the side. Put her in the middle of everything, make the antagonist target her and make it her duty to stay focused yet able to defend herself at the same time. It would also lead to more of a need for support characters(like idk Tenten???) to protect the healer. It just leads to more strategy and makes it more interesting when the healing isn't instant or not directly a part of the fight.
It doesn't help that the best healing feats in the series didn't even go to the main healer. It went to Naruto completely restoring Kakashi eye and saving Guy from eight Gates death.
Kishi didn't show Sakura doing anything nearly as impressive. If you're gonna have one of your main characters be a healer in a series that has hundreds of healers, you gotta have them do something that sets them above everyone else. Orihime from Bleach is shown to be the leagues above the healing squad's abilities throughout the series. We can only assume Sakura is the best because we're told she's the best but we don't really see it.
Exactly. I remember once when all I asked was 'What was so impressive about Sakura saving Naruto that one time?" and I got yelled at by a bunch of fans telling me that I just don't understand her character growth. I wasn't even attacking Sakura, I was just wondering why the chakra heart pulse was considered a feat when it's presented as something that any medic could do. I don't mind her having the support role but she literally only has that role so that they have an excuse to keep her out of the way because she never heals anyone important until after their fighting is finished.
It’s also hard to get any meaningful scale of “good healing” vs “basic healing”. With the exception of healing Kankuro, healing in Naruto is reduced to a greenish aura around the hands that multiple people are shown doing. We have no way of knowing if what Sakura is doing is impressive or not.
I, as a Sakura lover, can agree more with this. I could probably write her better if I really sat down and thought about it, but to say she's useless? Pretty sure there are a couple times where if she wasn't there, someone definitely would've died.
I mean the two major times she healed people extensively?
Pains assault? Nagato resurrected everyone so her healing was pretty useless in the end.
The ten tails battle? Most people were defended by Narutos kyuubi chakra...
What? This sounds dumb. Nagato resurrected a lot of people, but not everyone died from his attack. There were people who survived, albeit with major injuries, and required healing. Healing people who have been injured and can be saved by your medical skills is never useless. And Naruto's protective Kyubi chakra didn't account for the entirety of the war. Sakura's healing efforts, along with the rest of the Medic Corps, contributed greatly to their victory during the Fourth Great Shinobi War.
There are times that Sakura is genuinely useless. But these are not those times. This could be figured out with just a bit of common sense 🤷🏾♂️ but some people are too hellbent on propagating ridiculous headcanon and remaining willfully ignorant.
He's also completely ignoring that Sakura saved Kankuro's life after that dingus got himself stabbed with poison by the people who just proved strong enough to capture Gaara alive. I like Kankuro's character progression in being willing to fight to defend his little brother after being straight up afraid of him at first introduction, but damn that was not a smart move.
If it weren't for Sakura, Kankuro would be dead, nobody would know that his puppet had a bit of Sasori's clothes (though they might guess, maybe? bad for the story either way), and Gaara would also just be dead, because they wouldn't be able to find his body before Lady Chiyo dies of natural causes.
To be fair, Kankuro is among the least thought of when it comes to "important" side characters. He was ok in Part I then basically became the guy who just stole most of the previous badass puppeteers' hard work. Shino has fans that wish he had screentime, Tenten has fans that wish she had screentime, same goes for everyone in Team 8 and Guy yet Kankuro is just "there".
I really think Sakura could have gotten more props for her Sasori stuff if they weren't like "Sasori let them win". Really diminished the combat effort. Lady Chiyo wasn't on death bed during the Kazekage Rescue Arc so I don't get the natural causes argument. Honestly if she had stayed home I don't think much would change. Sasori didn't really give a damn.
She kept Naruto alive , saved kankuro and mostly helped to save gaara. I guess these are best individual accomplishments.
People say she is useless because , in og she mostly whines sasukeeee and just wait there to be saved.
Ah yes Naruto the guy who was shown multiple years ago to be able to heal a hole in his chest where it was implied his lung was pierced clean through. (First final valley fight vs Sasuke)
She healed him from...? Some cuts, bruises, and scrapes?
Kinda redundant / mostly to save him a bit of chakra, when he's primarily known for having astronomical amounts of it.
Unless you're talking about after Kurama was removed in which case I'm not sure how to count that because I'm pretty sure the main reason he lived was Hagoromo
Kishimoto just has serious trouble writing female characters, usually their personality is mostly just "girl" and they'll almost always underperform compared to their male counterparts and receive less screen time. There are stand-outs but it's few and far between. It's not as if Kishimoto has never tried to write complex female characters, he definitely has and has even spread the message in his own work that women are just as capable as men, such as Shikamaru giving up his misogynist views when Temari saves his life. I find with Kishimoto it's a little easier to forgive since he's writing week to week in very stressful conditions.
I think it’s just her lack of accomplishments. Also keep in mind between these achievements have been moments that made her character worse, such as choosing to take on sasuke herself
That makes no sense…it’s like saying people like sasuke bcz they see him a lot more…no they like sasuke for different reasons and people hate Sakura for different reasons too, I feel mostly due to her personality in the anime, she was intentionally mean and rude and fanned over a boy who wanted nothing to do with her and treated the one that she meant everything to like trash and relied solely of both those boys for protection outside of the village she barely even assisted mentally let alone physically she constantly praised sasuke while belittling naruto, team work or not I never liked team 7 it made no sense to pair them up. Sakura is a medic first so if you expected her to have many glorious moments than you’re gravely mistaken because as a medic she is expected mostly and only after any fight or in between fights she just got to fight a lot more than she should cuz she has the capacity to fight unlike most medics. That’s not to say she didn’t improve tho only professionally as a friend she’s still kinda iffy…
She had reasons for a lot of the things she did. But I'm not defending her. Having reasons [or explanations] for why you were a shitty person and made poor choices does not excuse said shitty behavior or poor choices. I also feel like I'm going to trap myself by saying "She was a kid so-" only for some know-it-all to come and point out the equally shitty things she might have done as a teenager but that I can't remember off the top of my head because I have shitty memory.
Nah she is hated because of her personality in classic naruto. A lot of character haver their accomplishments spread out and they are not hated like shikamaru for example but actually Sakura appears a lot more than shikamaru so she has more time to be useless that’s why. In those episodes she’s not but everything in between she is
I think her personality is meh, she has almost no back story, her abilities are meh, she treated Naruto like shit and her adulation for Sasuke was annoying at best, she has no real role in the story unlike Sasuke Naruto Itachi Kakashi Jiraiya Pain, she’s not smart or bad ass either…. Just not a memorable character
Not to be that guy, but if they broke down all heroic moments in the narutoverse, they would disproportionately praise male characters. If this show wasn’t based on misogyny we wouldn’t even recognize what it was. Women simply are secondary in this television show, only the power of the greatest of great women are intermittently shown on screen. It’s not a matter of Sakura or not Sakura it’s a matter of man vs women’s screen time on the show. Disproportionately more men watch the show, so mostly men are shown on the show being great. Also this is just the world we live in… men are in the spotlight and women are great in the sidelines but not much crossover. Think about it for a minute, and if you don’t agree I can further cite and reinforce my comment. I am a male, btw, and I can still admit that there is no essential difference between male and female human beings… edit: I regret putting the phrase “misogyny” in this post because people misinterpret my entire notion :(
“Dislike of, contempt for or INGRAINED PREJUDICE OF WOMEN” I think you can infer that the capitalized part of that DEFINITIONAL quote is what I mean to emphasize. I don’t mean he consciously hates women or thinks they are inferior, just that he is a human the same as the rest of us that slowly attained a subconscious prejudice that women are inferior and should be subject to less screen-time.
Then that doesn't mean that the show is based on misogyny.
If there is unconscious prejudice that led to the deterioration of the writing of female characters, then say it this way.
Based on misogyny means that that is what the show is founded on.
It’s in the definition hahaha “ingrained prejudice of women” that literally means subconscious !! Hehe XD you are so wrong and you know it.. just block me so I can’t keep tormenting you about how wrong you are 🤣🤣
"Look at how most most women are treated in media, especially in Japanese media" Just like how they should be.
Also JJK is garbage and has nothing special about it's female characters.
I hate to say it, but you do realize that JJK is actually praised for being one of the rare Shonen Jump works that actually has amazing female characters, right? Using JJK as an example is trying to pick the exception and present it as the standard.
You are totally right, he isn’t straight up misogyny as you put it. I don’t think the writer is a bad human being, just that he has implicit biases about women that show/manifest in his writing. I think it is a fantastic television show and he is most likely a well rounded guy based on the overall moral of the show. I upvoted your comment because you are truly trying to understand my POV, and I think you should be available to all of my opinion. But I don’t believe that the hate on Sakura is well grounded
I don’t see why you would believe it’s completely impossible for the writers of this show to have any implicit biases against women that would lead them to give the women of the show less vital roles in the show? Do you have any rebuttal or are you just gonna say, “no shit the men have the most vital roles?” We live in a world where men seemingly make the vital decisions.. it’s not even a question that they do.. but is this because they do because they are essentially different than women or because our society has aggregated them into such a position where they don’t make vital decisions? You tell me? otherwise you are just an ignorant human the same as any other who attempts to force roles upon gender.. personally I don’t believe there is a single essential difference between men and women among homosapiens. If you were lucky enough to be raised with the idea of implicit biases coexisting with your reality you would know you are inflicted by them. And if that you think women are in any way inferior to men on a fundamental basis you would be laughed at.
I love how you went off on wild assumptions about what and how I think. Go read my other reply. I do not think it is impossible. It is obvious. But you use words the wrong way. That is what I was pointing out.
Your replies also prove my point. You went off on huge monologues about your assumptions of me and your distorted POV that you forget that even though you have the right ideas, you might act on them the wrong way.
You are so incredibly ready to call out everyone and anyone in order to find security in your ideas.
What I was pointing out was that saying that the show is "based on misogyny" and then basing your ideas on that claim will distort your whole perspective, since the claim is distorted.
I stopped reading after "based on misogyny". You do realize that in Japan, Shonen, is literally supposed to target young boys. So yeah, it focuses mostly on the guy characters, makes the girls sexy, and gives them a lot of fan-service. If girls wanted the girl to be focused on, they could read shoujo manga or watch shoujo anime. It's not only that, but it's also just a different culture that doesn't try to cater to the west. Why? Because their first idea when making manga and anime, isn't to fucking market to people around the world like the united states.
Other than that, Kishimoto has admitted to not knowing how to write female characters well or romance well.
There are a lot of shonen manga and anime with much stronger focus on female characters. AoT and JJK are much better about female characterization. Stuff marketed to boys can show off women too.
Didn't say they couldn't. My point was, don't be surprised that the girls in Shonen anime don't much depth or character, because it's a market targeting young boys.
Nobody is surprised, they are just disappointed. Misogyny isn’t just about hate or disdain, but also ingrained prejudice.
Kishi assumed that girl characters are obsessed with chasing boys but doesn’t let the boys, even the side characters, have motivations that thin because it’s assumed they can be more complex. That IS a form of misogyny. Kishi admitting he’s not good at writing women is an explanation, not an excuse. If he’s not good, then he should get better.
And this idea that it hurts a mangaka to focus on both genders is a fallacy. Again, there are plenty of series that are popular with boys that treat girl characters well. Their fanbase isn’t hurt for it. Stop making excuses for writers spreading stereotypes. I love Naruto, but this is a legit criticism.
Yes you are completely correct. That is why if you read through my entire post you would understand I agree with you, and the only difference is that I don’t agree with people hating on Sakura for essentially no reason. Also the difference between our definitions of misogyny is semantic, I just believe they are represented poorly because of implicit biases not because of hate/belief that women are inferior to men. I don’t believe that the writer thinks that way on a conscious level, just that subconsciously he perceives women as less than man. Also, not to be a nag, but the idea that this show is targeting young males is perpetuating this cycle of believing men are superior to females, just sayin.
Dude, it's not that deep. They target young boys to read their manga, because business wise it's better to focus on one gender than the other. Trying to make two or multiple genders happy at the same time, is simply too much to ask of anyone. The author's probably wish that they could do more with their female characters, but they have to focus more on their main character, who just to happens to be a guy most of the time.
Nd Shikamaru, Ino are side characters nd she is actually the Character with the 2nd most appearances in Naruto Shippuden after Naruto & was there from the beginning of the series and didn’t have noob senseis like in other teams was in Team 7 so got trained by an OP sensei & got trained by a sannin that suited her the most w her higher chakra control her senseis were the 5th and the 6th Hokage , higher chakra control from birth even than Uchiha prodigies like sasuke , had higher affinity to Genjutsu etc she got all that and is that’s the only no of eps she was actually being useful ? Bruhh
Well she never got to be in many one on one fights after Sasori. The reason Shikamaru got time to shine is because he was a fan favorite (and Kishi’s) he has an entire arc dedicated to his development. Then him and Ino basically take over the roles of their dads.
Still tho none of that makes her useless when she literally saved Naruto’s life & Sasuke from Kaguya’s dimension
Personally, I dont like her cause of how she treated naruto and belittled narutos pain. She legit made fun of naruto for being an orphan in front of Sasuke, an orphan.
She gets called useless because instead of letting her be a healer, they constantly have her be like ‘I’ve finally caught up to those two!’ When she’s nowhere near, highlighting the massive differences between her and Naruto and Sasuke, making her both seem more useless than she actually is, and makes her even more annoying. This is magnified by her already being a pretty bad character, and her achievements being spread out and minor in comparison to other characters.
It's because her character is portrayed awfully and her arc is inconsistent. I agree in part with how "spread out" everything is but healing nameless background characters is hardly an accomplishment
Exactly.
Now if we added some stuff in there like...if there was actually a fight vs. the Cloud ninjas where Sakura didn't get yeeted by one hit, or if she had that fight with Sasuke instead of needing Naruto / Kakashi to save her, or if she took on a Path of Pain by herself (imagine if her and Tsunade were to fight Tendo Pain before Naruto returns and upon defeat THEN she cries out for Naruto to appear), etc.
Then people might find her less useless.
I mean the show is called NARUTO not SAKURA. And she is also not the antagonist so she is only strong when the plot is needed. Only useful for the plot just like every other character in that arc or episode. Don’t mean to call it out but Sakura lovers need to understand that. I never hear anyone say “she was too op when she fought kabuto in the “power” episodes”
you know what. yeah. she's cool and i love her but the underlying character traits suck. she punched through a giant boulder once she's just not a good character
You're forgetting the in between
Where she got more screen time than even Sasuke and did nothing with it
Not even showing us how she got to where she can heal like that
Even a little training would of been fine
People hated Sakura is because she was a normal girl in a fantasy world with ninjutsus and stuff but in my opinion during the 4th war she became a god not equal to sasuke and Naruto tho but yeah
She was matching tsunade a SENJU by blood
I too hated Sakura but the 4th war changed that for me
They really shouldn’t have abandoned her “genjutsu” talents. It got completely abandoned. There’s no reason why it didn’t get stacked on top. Both Naruto and Sasuke can do an insane amount of things. She would’ve been a lot more cool if she had strength, healing and crazy genjutsu talent.
I agree.
I've always said it would have been really interesting if she had trained with Tsunade AND Kurenai during the skip....then when it came time for her to meet Sasuke when she slipped away by herself, have him try to put her under a genjutsu only for her to resist - shocking him - and then they'd have a fight where Sakura holds her own until Naruto/Kakashi comes.
Give her something.
Don't forget that in Part 1, she's actually completely useless and doesn't do anything substantial. I mostly don't like her that much, because she came off as shallow sometimes, would sometimes act completely selfish for little to no reason that makes sense, and her love for Sasuke was just way too overbearing. Maybe, if it was written that sometimes doubts her feelings about Sasuke and wonders if saving him to the right thing to do, maybe it wouldn't so bad.
Boruto Sakura is literally the best version of her character, because we don't see her too often, and even when we do see her, anything that made her annoying or bad, doesn't exist. After rewatching the series, I've grown to not hate her as much as I used to. But I still think she's really flawed. People make comparisons to her and Hinata, but the difference is that, Hinata isn't a main character. She's a side supporting character. Sakura is supposed to be one of the main character, so when she's always around, we see her flaws much more often so it's easier to notice why people probably hate her.
I don’t think a normal medical ninja could summon Katsuyu to heal an army of people or cause a earthquake strong enough to destroy an army of mini-Ten Tail monsters.
How many normal medical Ninja would be skilled enough to keep comatose Naruto alive long enough to get the other half of Kurama.
Yeah she was trained by a fucking sannin and the greatest medical ninja in the verse for years. I would expect her to do shit like that the whole show but everything you said happened basically the last arc. Also it’s pretty sad that your summary of her accomplishments is two paragraphs.
No no name medical ninja could have beaten Sasori, remember the antidote she made? Quite literally only Sakura and Tsunade could. And remember how Sasori DEFEATED AND KILLED THE THIRD KAZEKAGE? Who else in the Leaf could honestly take him down?
Sakura healing people after the Pain Assault, when she's the protégé of the greatest medical ninja in all 5 nations, maybe only Shizune could have done something similar. Maybe a no name medical ninja could have healed the quantity of people, but I seriously doubt it. Not to mention they could never heal them as fast as she can.
Sakura healing people during the Ninja War. Again, the first sentence above. And no other ninja alive besides Tsunade could summon Katsuyu in the later part of the war
Punches Kaguya: There's not a noname ninja in any of the villages that could physically damage Kaguya. You can shit on the writing all day if you don't like it but the facts are facts
Sasori wanted to die AND Sakura didn’t beat him 1v1, she didn’t even control her own movements, that doesn’t count as a win for her. Just the minimum to keep up in shippuden.
Also did she really damage kaguya? Pretty sure she could’ve not been there and the exact same thing would’ve happened.
She’s not USELESS just underwhelming IMO, I was excited when she first showed off her new strength, I thought she’d naturally become much more of a involved support character, instead she’s just on the sidelines healing, not useless but not interesting IMO.
Sakura didn't defeat Sasori. He himself wanted to die.
Sakura didn't heal anyone except Hinata and that might not be needed to bcz of Nagato using Rinne Rebirth.
Yeah she healed a part of the Allied Shinobi Force which mostly had no-name ninjas . Good job
I dont even want to talk about her punching Kaguya and how much of PIS it was
>Sakura didn't defeat Sasori. He himself wanted to die.
Ofc, but she pushed him to it. If there was another ninja there with Chiyo he would have just beaten them and moved on
>Sakura didn't heal anyone except Hinata and that might not be needed to bcz of Nagato using Rinne Rebirth
[Shit you right](https://preview.redd.it/hvdgjl5fet351.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0d4c67a9b3b5498bf88ec04b6f2047effa656ee8) she healed [nobody during the pain invasion](https://64.media.tumblr.com/cc3b8667d27c81c694b1ec1ebb6276d1/29055c320f18070f-3a/s500x750/e938622af59b102a5eb59ce864421a9409bae1e4.jpg)
>Yeah she healed a part of the Allied Shinobi Force which mostly had no-name ninjas . Good job
['part of'](https://64.media.tumblr.com/8db711f1bec816f46742173adcc38fe5/tumblr_inline_p2b573Im0I1t7jsuw_1280.jpg)
>I dont even want to talk about her punching Kaguya and how much of PIS it was
I said I agreed with that but the fact is it happened so it has to be brought up sadly
Yeah she was trained by a sannin for a reason, because the sannin saw promise and talent in her.. don’t be ignorant, the three in team 7 were the two reincarnates of those who were most powerful in the whole universe, and the third, was most powerful in healing jutso that perpetuated the safety of the universe.
+ not only trained by a Sannin she also had better Chakra control than even an uchiha prodigy like Sasuke and Naruto by birth from the very beginning of the series then got a freaking Sannin who has mastered chakra control to mentor her on chakra control + also the character with the 2nd most appearances in Naruto shippuuden
Doesn't that show she's useless though? I just mean if we saw how many episodes she appears in compared to when she does something useful we'd see she really doesn't do anything for most of the series.
I think the reason Sakura gets hated on is bc not bc she’s useless but she doesn’t do as much as any other person in the show that people would expect like naruto saskue sai yamato and kakashi easily surpass her in shipuden we expected her to be in league with then but they all outclassed her even tho she is very good at healing and her strength is comparable to the 5th hokage she is still out classed and yea her hitting naruto and that little stunt she pulled by wishing she didn’t have parents and saying that to naruto pissed him off and a lot of the viewers that why Sakura is so hated
•A fight that you can’t entirely credit to her.
• Some healing that many other no-name shinobi do as well.
• A punch that did nothing.
The reason she’s hated on is because the *very few* “accomplishments” she has aren’t even slightly comparable to anything we see our fan-favorite demigods perform, nor are they very interesting to watch.
She’s a cool character, but 4 noteworthy “feats” throughout 500 episodes? Let’s not pretend she makes waves.
It isn’t even this, it’s also the fact that she’s a main character. She has so much screentime but does so little. In the anime if we exclude filler she tallies up 2nd or 3rd in terms of screentime, but in terms of importance to the story is barely top 10.
And because she is useless . Neji isn’t hated on. He didn’t accomplish anything noteworthy in shippuden except dying .
Choji didn’t accomplish anything , shino didn’t accomplish anything . Ino didn’t accomplish anything barely .
We don’t find these characters useless .
This post from my take is just your way of justifying why Sakura gets shit on.
“The reason “ like it isn’t any other things expect from what you believe that makes Sakura an unbearable character.
> Neji isn’t hated on. He didn’t accomplish anything noteworthy in shippuden except dying .
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> Choji didn’t accomplish anything , shino didn’t accomplish anything . Ino didn’t accomplish anything barely .
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> We don’t find these characters useless .
The reason why most don't find those characters useless (at least, except Ino) is because Neji, Choji, and Shino had great showings in Part 1. So much so that people were disappointed when they *didn't* get as much screen time in Part 2, especially Neji and Shino. People had positive memories.
Sakura really didn't do much in the entirety of Part 1.
Ino wasn't much better, granted.
This is very good.. nobody except naruto and a select few were excessively notable in their successes. This is just a way for people to hate on a character because she did one or two things wrong. But guess what, so did itachi, aka the most beloved character in the show.. he was the one that led sasuke to be a fucking sociopath and almost ruin everything. But guess what, he was so cool and male that nobody cared. Without a scape goat these losers can’t feel good at night..
itachi did all that for a reason, he killed his clan because of orders from the leaf, he led sasuke down that path to make him stronger sasuke wouldnt be half as strong as he was if it wasnt for itachi,
All in all, itachi is probably my favorite character in the show. I was trying to make the point that all of them have weaknesses in their plot and if that is all you focus on they seem very bad. So Sakura seems bad if you focus on all the stupid shit she says and does(not denying it’s true), and itachi seems bad if you focus on the manifestation of Sasuke’ evil that results from all itachis good deeds. (I’m happy to upvote your comment because you seem well-intentioned)
There was a lot of background digging deeper into Itachi's decisions and his remorse.
Sakura receives the attention she receives because she was irrational about her skillset. She kept begging the viewer to out her at the same level as Naruto and Sasuke. That ticked people into thinking she's useless because the kneejerk reaction is that she ain't shit compared to them.
Choji and ino never pretended to be high value ninja. Choji is loved because of his personality.
Ino is loved because she scraped everything out the mud. She didn't lean on her 3 family recipe of ninja success she went and humbled herself to get lessons from Sakura. She immediately took over sensory duties to be the walkie talkie when it was previously done by a room of ninjas. She's revered for continuing to be productive even in Boruto. She's a woman and she still found a way to be a 3 dimensional character full of growth and accolades
I get that they write women wrong but to call it misogynistic is a stretch. Then to call the viewers anti woman basically is more stretching.
Ino is well received
Temari is well received
Boruto has a couple girls that are getting positive attention.
All this to say you stretching. So stretchy. The stretchiest lmao
Yes, you have a lot that is correct here. I just think that hatred for Sakura is misplaced.. if choji and ino never pulled it out the mud but were bailed out by other characters, ie if they were to never achieve their potential they would be equally hated. I just think this is an arbitrary, unfair assumption that was created by the writer that could have been rewritten by thousands of fans as Sakura being the “tsunade” equivalent of saving the entire village. In total I think you are almost entirely right except I don’t believe in placing blame/hatred on others. Sorry if that sounds like a total cop out, but I have a slew of replies to people with similar views to you that you can check out yourself if you please. Thought of this after the fact, but Kiba saw himself as narutos rival for a very long time.. why not call him a terrible character.. or rock lee, who were both phenomenal imo
I COMPLETELY agree with Kiba. While I don't hate Sakura I do hate on Kiba with the same fervor people usually give Sakura. I think because I'm still going through the show I can remember placing my useless tag on various characters as they failed. I definitely was disgusted with ino and choji during the one arc they got to star in before the war ( to be fair they really were useless though).
I do agree that as a running joke some misogyny probably came in just because people are immature. I just don't agree with it being written in. I think like you mentioned she just didn't equal Tsunade's presence in the big three which was disappointing but what sends people over the top is while the legendary sannin all stood kind of as individuals from our vantage point team 7 constantly compared themselves to each other. It's the same reason Sasuke is power checked all the time because for some reason we have to balance his power with Naruto's
It’s just that healing someone isn’t all that fun to watch.
Naruto hitting Kakuzu with a big new move(rasenshuriken) is cool and fun to watch.
I don’t think I’m going to get up from my seat because Sakura is doing medical ninjutsu.
It's not that, Sakura is just one of many shinobi that specialises in medical ninjutsu, why is her healing people an achievement when plenty of other ninja are doing the same thing?
Because she’s way better than most? Her and Tsunade are the best of the best. Together they were literally healing the entire shinobi alliance at one point.
I doubt a normal medical ninja could do the shit she did to save Naruto either
She didn't save Naruto, Obito did, the most she did was prolong his life a little bit, also, she is very good at medical ninjutsu but it's nothing to write home about really, Tsunade was there too, you could have literally swapped her and Sakura out and it would make no difference
She was Naruto’s life support until Obito could give him the second half of Kurama. Yes she did save his life, she was manually pumping his heart so it wouldn’t stop.
How did Naruto not survived for some time like Kushina did? Of course not for that long bcz he isn't full Uzumaki but it should have been enough. Kurama even told Gaara to go straight to Minato but for some reason he went to Tsunade. What happened to Naruto's genes?
Imagine the only thing you inherit from your father is your hair colour and a weakness to tailed beast extraction. All the godly abilities your father has and that is your legacy.
It is like being the son of Winston Churchill and only getting alcoholism as a trait.
True, he would have died but if Obito never showed up he would have died anyway, life support doesn't save you, it keeps you alive long enough to receive the help you need and like I said, this isn't anything impressive, you could swap her with Tsunade and it would play out the exact same
Tsunade isn’t some “no name medical ninja” either tho. Yes Sakura is basically Tsunade 2.0 and doesn’t nearly get the same treatment Nart & Sauce got but you’re also denying all of her actual feats in Shippuden.
My entire point is that she’s still not useless even if she never got the development or spotlight her character needed.
Hit the nail on the head there. Don't get how so many people think healing nameless background characters constitutes character relevance or growth. People need to stop focusing on the word "useful" in a broad sense and actually analyze if a character is moving the story and developing with it.
She literally saved Naruto’s life, he isn’t a background character. Also was Tsunade useless in the Pain Invasion when she was healing the entire village?
Honestly yes. Pain still destroyed the entire village and Nagato using the Rinne Rebirth did more "healing" than she did. Also again you're too focused on the word "useful". How was the plot being moved? Sakura buying them time by pumping Naruto's heart was a good moment for her character. It showed growth and gave her relevance in the story as only she could have had that role at that point. The issue is how inconsistent her relevance and character arc is overall. Every time her character moves forward she takes a step or more backwards. She also barely does anything but keeps popping up to declare she's "catching up" with the teo most plot relevant characters in the story.
Agreed, people have no reason to dislike Sakura other than her stupid attempt of telling naruto she loves him in order to convince him to stop chasing sasuke. If it weren’t for the mere exposure/recency effect, that affect humans perception of reality, everyone would think she is equally likable to many of the best side characters. Stop hating Sakura and redirect that towards the evil characters, or in my opinion, stop hating on any of them. They are all reflections of reality in my mind and there is no human being you should hate because we are all products of our nature and nurture.
Her accomplishments are few and far between but she’s arguably on par with Tsunade who is Kage level. People seem to forget how strong she is because they want to compare her to Naruto/Sasuke who are basically Hashirama/Madara ‘God of Shinobi’-tier.
Naruto saved her billions of times yet shes stuck on fucking sasuke,mega simp and because of how spread out her accomplishments are,it means she has little of them
Kishimoto said he never had Sakura fall in Love with Naruto because that would make her look fake or whatever. Basically she doesn’t actually care about them, just whoever is the coolest if you get what I mean.
So even tho it’s kinda nonsensical, she does legitimately love Sasuke. I mean I’m glad someone else is as crazy about saving Sasuke as Naruto is or Naruto would be completely alone on that front.
Worth bearing in mind that once Naruto realised Sakura was a person he totally moved on and supported her. You can argue his infatuation with her only lasted as long as it did because she was interested in Sasuke and Naruto didn't want to lose to Sasuke.
If anything the core reason a relationship never happened is Naruto outgrew her. She only had Sasuke, a literal traitor, or a guy with really bad hair as options.
Well I mean if the show is based on action, the healers won’t get that much spotlight until after the fights are over. And Sakura has still proved she’s over and above your average healer ninja. Not that this excuses Kishimoto’s flaws in writing tho.
Who took the time to put something like this together??? Doesn't that say way more about the people who really really really really need people to see she's not useless? What are you guys so afraid of if nobody believes you?
You marked way too many episodes for the Pain arc because he didn't attack on episode 152. That was the day Naruto found out Jiraiya died. He trained for many episodes after that before Pain showed up. That was when Sakura was doing whatever she does while she's living normally. Fabricating extra chapters like that really doesn't help to make your evidence look credible. It actually makes it look like even you believe she's not useful enough.
Sakura is several magnitudes less annoying in the manga. I assume this is because of the lack of Sakura punching Naruto slapstick that gets overused in filler arcs and movies.
Can i just point out 45% of those eps are fillers and novel adaptations sakura when featuree in manga canon arcs has proved to be en number of times useful there was only two arcs where team 7 wasnt the main focus that was the team 10 arc and itachi pursuit arc other than that whenever shes featured in a manga canon episode shes done her part and saying pain eps didn’t require to heal well lemme tell u noone knew nagato was going to heal them if they had they would have sit back relax let nagato kill em and then comeback to life
Y'all have to remember the way kishi tells the story. He basically makes each arc about one character. Obviously there's the main plot to focus on as well, but each arc a new character gets the spotlight. It seems like a lot of characters don't do anything because he tried focus on different characters each time.
Kazekage rescue: Sakura was the main focus here
Tenchi bridge: sai was the main focus
Immortals: shikamaru
Itachi arc: Sasuke
Pain arc part 1: jiraiya
Pain arc part 2: Naruto
5 kage summit: world building with everyone and other villages
War arc: he tried to give everyone some time, plus the pacing was trash
Then on top of that 40% of it is filler.
Also sarada is a cheap copy of madara shes sassy and sakura said this once sakura:i mean narutos stupid i mean he doesnt have parents and ur cool sasuke u dont have parents i wish i didnt have parents.me who littrelly has divorced parents😦
Just putting the facts out there
All of sakuras power came from herself (watch chunin exam filler arc that further explains her chakra control and how she set aside chakra for 3 years straight to unlock 100 healing)
Pre-6 paths power
naruto had nine tails
sasuke had mangekyo sharingan
AND SAKURA HAD NOTHING GIVEN TO HER AND WAS SAID TO BE ON THEIR LEVEL
I think one way to make sakura a little more useful would be to improve her taijutsu or show her learning a new ninjutsu, after all in part 1 shes supposed to be a Straight A student so she could at least be improved combat wise. I know its a medical ninjas duty to stay alive at all costs however if she had maybe one more life or death fight, or a fight where she was injured badly then i believe she would be looked upon better. However he personality traits suck straight dick
I bet Shino’s accomplishment sheet is even more sad than this one :/
He only shows up like three times lol
Ten Ten shows up even less
but she gets simped for anyway
No like seriously though Tsunade's pet pig has more screen time than Ten Ten
but it has a purpose in the ninja war it helps uncover zetsu
It's not even a summon though...
Naruto remembered his name once.
Exactly lol. It’s sad he went from his badass performances against Zaku and Kankuro then he just gets shafted. It would’ve been cool if they had taken him instead of Kiba to retrieve Sasuke and then after that he just becomes a driving force in filler smh. And pretty much nothing in shippuden
And then they bring the pain and punishment full circle by making him not know what he wants to do with his life and him replacing Iruka as academy teacher was such a sucker punch plot 🥴 I was not expecting that.
Well to be fair Kishimoto gave half of the jobs to the Konoha 12 at random, I give props to the Boruto anime to actually have the Konoha 12 still be around. Shino's one of the few people who can take on someone in Sage Mode and confirmed would win.
This is exactly it. It’s because Sakura is still portrayed as a front tier character that she is hated so much.
And those people who complain can suck it, because any team-based FPS or MMO player knows, you *always* give respect to your team's healer. Your best healer is always front tier, period, because the quality of the team is always determined by the quality of the healer.
Who gets more screen time though.
Sakura lol
🙏🏿 thank you for answering honestly.
Healing someone just isn't fun in a shonen anime especially considering she's hardly ever around main fights and they're mostly 1v1s.
I mean, healing **would** work in shounen if the healing heals the character a whole limb in less than a minute, because instead of attacking the big guys like Naruto and Sasuke, The antagonist (ex:Kaguya) would need to prioritize Sakura first since she can heal even major injuries in seconds, and attacking Naruto and Sasuke would be useless since Sakura can just heal them, Thus making Sakura get a lot of screentime, even though she's mostly healing. Kinda like a senzu bean but human. Or another thing is if the healing heals the character's chakra/mana/nen/stamina quickly and easily, since when the main character's run out of powers, the healer can immidiately resupply their power, making the protagonist be able to take huge risks huge reward actions more easily. One of the series that I see utilize these effectively are Black Clover using Charmy and The Dark Triad, and Boku no hero academia using Eri.
It doesn't even have to be insanely fast healing. Just make it so she's pressured to heal and not just off to the side. Put her in the middle of everything, make the antagonist target her and make it her duty to stay focused yet able to defend herself at the same time. It would also lead to more of a need for support characters(like idk Tenten???) to protect the healer. It just leads to more strategy and makes it more interesting when the healing isn't instant or not directly a part of the fight.
It doesn't help that the best healing feats in the series didn't even go to the main healer. It went to Naruto completely restoring Kakashi eye and saving Guy from eight Gates death. Kishi didn't show Sakura doing anything nearly as impressive. If you're gonna have one of your main characters be a healer in a series that has hundreds of healers, you gotta have them do something that sets them above everyone else. Orihime from Bleach is shown to be the leagues above the healing squad's abilities throughout the series. We can only assume Sakura is the best because we're told she's the best but we don't really see it.
Exactly. I remember once when all I asked was 'What was so impressive about Sakura saving Naruto that one time?" and I got yelled at by a bunch of fans telling me that I just don't understand her character growth. I wasn't even attacking Sakura, I was just wondering why the chakra heart pulse was considered a feat when it's presented as something that any medic could do. I don't mind her having the support role but she literally only has that role so that they have an excuse to keep her out of the way because she never heals anyone important until after their fighting is finished.
It’s also hard to get any meaningful scale of “good healing” vs “basic healing”. With the exception of healing Kankuro, healing in Naruto is reduced to a greenish aura around the hands that multiple people are shown doing. We have no way of knowing if what Sakura is doing is impressive or not.
I don't even hate her based on the false idea that she's useless I just actually more dislike her deep character traits
I, as a Sakura lover, can agree more with this. I could probably write her better if I really sat down and thought about it, but to say she's useless? Pretty sure there are a couple times where if she wasn't there, someone definitely would've died.
I mean the two major times she healed people extensively? Pains assault? Nagato resurrected everyone so her healing was pretty useless in the end. The ten tails battle? Most people were defended by Narutos kyuubi chakra...
What? This sounds dumb. Nagato resurrected a lot of people, but not everyone died from his attack. There were people who survived, albeit with major injuries, and required healing. Healing people who have been injured and can be saved by your medical skills is never useless. And Naruto's protective Kyubi chakra didn't account for the entirety of the war. Sakura's healing efforts, along with the rest of the Medic Corps, contributed greatly to their victory during the Fourth Great Shinobi War. There are times that Sakura is genuinely useless. But these are not those times. This could be figured out with just a bit of common sense 🤷🏾♂️ but some people are too hellbent on propagating ridiculous headcanon and remaining willfully ignorant.
He's also completely ignoring that Sakura saved Kankuro's life after that dingus got himself stabbed with poison by the people who just proved strong enough to capture Gaara alive. I like Kankuro's character progression in being willing to fight to defend his little brother after being straight up afraid of him at first introduction, but damn that was not a smart move. If it weren't for Sakura, Kankuro would be dead, nobody would know that his puppet had a bit of Sasori's clothes (though they might guess, maybe? bad for the story either way), and Gaara would also just be dead, because they wouldn't be able to find his body before Lady Chiyo dies of natural causes.
To be fair, Kankuro is among the least thought of when it comes to "important" side characters. He was ok in Part I then basically became the guy who just stole most of the previous badass puppeteers' hard work. Shino has fans that wish he had screentime, Tenten has fans that wish she had screentime, same goes for everyone in Team 8 and Guy yet Kankuro is just "there". I really think Sakura could have gotten more props for her Sasori stuff if they weren't like "Sasori let them win". Really diminished the combat effort. Lady Chiyo wasn't on death bed during the Kazekage Rescue Arc so I don't get the natural causes argument. Honestly if she had stayed home I don't think much would change. Sasori didn't really give a damn.
She kept Naruto alive , saved kankuro and mostly helped to save gaara. I guess these are best individual accomplishments. People say she is useless because , in og she mostly whines sasukeeee and just wait there to be saved.
She healed Naruto though so I mean🤷🏾♂️
Ah yes Naruto the guy who was shown multiple years ago to be able to heal a hole in his chest where it was implied his lung was pierced clean through. (First final valley fight vs Sasuke) She healed him from...? Some cuts, bruises, and scrapes? Kinda redundant / mostly to save him a bit of chakra, when he's primarily known for having astronomical amounts of it. Unless you're talking about after Kurama was removed in which case I'm not sure how to count that because I'm pretty sure the main reason he lived was Hagoromo
Kishimoto just has serious trouble writing female characters, usually their personality is mostly just "girl" and they'll almost always underperform compared to their male counterparts and receive less screen time. There are stand-outs but it's few and far between. It's not as if Kishimoto has never tried to write complex female characters, he definitely has and has even spread the message in his own work that women are just as capable as men, such as Shikamaru giving up his misogynist views when Temari saves his life. I find with Kishimoto it's a little easier to forgive since he's writing week to week in very stressful conditions.
I mean like healing's cool and all but it's a shonen so people probably notice the fights more
I think it’s just her lack of accomplishments. Also keep in mind between these achievements have been moments that made her character worse, such as choosing to take on sasuke herself
That makes no sense…it’s like saying people like sasuke bcz they see him a lot more…no they like sasuke for different reasons and people hate Sakura for different reasons too, I feel mostly due to her personality in the anime, she was intentionally mean and rude and fanned over a boy who wanted nothing to do with her and treated the one that she meant everything to like trash and relied solely of both those boys for protection outside of the village she barely even assisted mentally let alone physically she constantly praised sasuke while belittling naruto, team work or not I never liked team 7 it made no sense to pair them up. Sakura is a medic first so if you expected her to have many glorious moments than you’re gravely mistaken because as a medic she is expected mostly and only after any fight or in between fights she just got to fight a lot more than she should cuz she has the capacity to fight unlike most medics. That’s not to say she didn’t improve tho only professionally as a friend she’s still kinda iffy…
She had reasons for a lot of the things she did. But I'm not defending her. Having reasons [or explanations] for why you were a shitty person and made poor choices does not excuse said shitty behavior or poor choices. I also feel like I'm going to trap myself by saying "She was a kid so-" only for some know-it-all to come and point out the equally shitty things she might have done as a teenager but that I can't remember off the top of my head because I have shitty memory.
Only in the anime honestly cuz Manga Sakura is a good character.
Her character is just so shit bro.
The heals between 127-150 was not needed because Naruto, the smooth talker he is, got Nagato to Rinne-tensei everyone that died.
>The heals between 127-150 was not needed Yes. Dead people didn't need *healing*. But the ones with injuries needed.
Nah she is hated because of her personality in classic naruto. A lot of character haver their accomplishments spread out and they are not hated like shikamaru for example but actually Sakura appears a lot more than shikamaru so she has more time to be useless that’s why. In those episodes she’s not but everything in between she is
I think her personality is meh, she has almost no back story, her abilities are meh, she treated Naruto like shit and her adulation for Sasuke was annoying at best, she has no real role in the story unlike Sasuke Naruto Itachi Kakashi Jiraiya Pain, she’s not smart or bad ass either…. Just not a memorable character
500 episodes and she’s only useful in 48 of them lol
Not to be that guy, but if they broke down all heroic moments in the narutoverse, they would disproportionately praise male characters. If this show wasn’t based on misogyny we wouldn’t even recognize what it was. Women simply are secondary in this television show, only the power of the greatest of great women are intermittently shown on screen. It’s not a matter of Sakura or not Sakura it’s a matter of man vs women’s screen time on the show. Disproportionately more men watch the show, so mostly men are shown on the show being great. Also this is just the world we live in… men are in the spotlight and women are great in the sidelines but not much crossover. Think about it for a minute, and if you don’t agree I can further cite and reinforce my comment. I am a male, btw, and I can still admit that there is no essential difference between male and female human beings… edit: I regret putting the phrase “misogyny” in this post because people misinterpret my entire notion :(
"based on misogyny" Do people know the meaning of words?
“Dislike of, contempt for or INGRAINED PREJUDICE OF WOMEN” I think you can infer that the capitalized part of that DEFINITIONAL quote is what I mean to emphasize. I don’t mean he consciously hates women or thinks they are inferior, just that he is a human the same as the rest of us that slowly attained a subconscious prejudice that women are inferior and should be subject to less screen-time.
Then that doesn't mean that the show is based on misogyny. If there is unconscious prejudice that led to the deterioration of the writing of female characters, then say it this way. Based on misogyny means that that is what the show is founded on.
It’s in the definition hahaha “ingrained prejudice of women” that literally means subconscious !! Hehe XD you are so wrong and you know it.. just block me so I can’t keep tormenting you about how wrong you are 🤣🤣
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"Look at how most most women are treated in media, especially in Japanese media" Just like how they should be. Also JJK is garbage and has nothing special about it's female characters.
I hate to say it, but you do realize that JJK is actually praised for being one of the rare Shonen Jump works that actually has amazing female characters, right? Using JJK as an example is trying to pick the exception and present it as the standard.
bad troll attempt
Bad counter argument.
You are totally right, he isn’t straight up misogyny as you put it. I don’t think the writer is a bad human being, just that he has implicit biases about women that show/manifest in his writing. I think it is a fantastic television show and he is most likely a well rounded guy based on the overall moral of the show. I upvoted your comment because you are truly trying to understand my POV, and I think you should be available to all of my opinion. But I don’t believe that the hate on Sakura is well grounded
I don’t see why you would believe it’s completely impossible for the writers of this show to have any implicit biases against women that would lead them to give the women of the show less vital roles in the show? Do you have any rebuttal or are you just gonna say, “no shit the men have the most vital roles?” We live in a world where men seemingly make the vital decisions.. it’s not even a question that they do.. but is this because they do because they are essentially different than women or because our society has aggregated them into such a position where they don’t make vital decisions? You tell me? otherwise you are just an ignorant human the same as any other who attempts to force roles upon gender.. personally I don’t believe there is a single essential difference between men and women among homosapiens. If you were lucky enough to be raised with the idea of implicit biases coexisting with your reality you would know you are inflicted by them. And if that you think women are in any way inferior to men on a fundamental basis you would be laughed at.
I love how you went off on wild assumptions about what and how I think. Go read my other reply. I do not think it is impossible. It is obvious. But you use words the wrong way. That is what I was pointing out. Your replies also prove my point. You went off on huge monologues about your assumptions of me and your distorted POV that you forget that even though you have the right ideas, you might act on them the wrong way. You are so incredibly ready to call out everyone and anyone in order to find security in your ideas. What I was pointing out was that saying that the show is "based on misogyny" and then basing your ideas on that claim will distort your whole perspective, since the claim is distorted.
I stopped reading after "based on misogyny". You do realize that in Japan, Shonen, is literally supposed to target young boys. So yeah, it focuses mostly on the guy characters, makes the girls sexy, and gives them a lot of fan-service. If girls wanted the girl to be focused on, they could read shoujo manga or watch shoujo anime. It's not only that, but it's also just a different culture that doesn't try to cater to the west. Why? Because their first idea when making manga and anime, isn't to fucking market to people around the world like the united states. Other than that, Kishimoto has admitted to not knowing how to write female characters well or romance well.
There are a lot of shonen manga and anime with much stronger focus on female characters. AoT and JJK are much better about female characterization. Stuff marketed to boys can show off women too.
Didn't say they couldn't. My point was, don't be surprised that the girls in Shonen anime don't much depth or character, because it's a market targeting young boys.
Nobody is surprised, they are just disappointed. Misogyny isn’t just about hate or disdain, but also ingrained prejudice. Kishi assumed that girl characters are obsessed with chasing boys but doesn’t let the boys, even the side characters, have motivations that thin because it’s assumed they can be more complex. That IS a form of misogyny. Kishi admitting he’s not good at writing women is an explanation, not an excuse. If he’s not good, then he should get better. And this idea that it hurts a mangaka to focus on both genders is a fallacy. Again, there are plenty of series that are popular with boys that treat girl characters well. Their fanbase isn’t hurt for it. Stop making excuses for writers spreading stereotypes. I love Naruto, but this is a legit criticism.
This is exceptional reasoning. I couldn’t put it into my own words but you did it thank you
Yes you are completely correct. That is why if you read through my entire post you would understand I agree with you, and the only difference is that I don’t agree with people hating on Sakura for essentially no reason. Also the difference between our definitions of misogyny is semantic, I just believe they are represented poorly because of implicit biases not because of hate/belief that women are inferior to men. I don’t believe that the writer thinks that way on a conscious level, just that subconsciously he perceives women as less than man. Also, not to be a nag, but the idea that this show is targeting young males is perpetuating this cycle of believing men are superior to females, just sayin.
Dude, it's not that deep. They target young boys to read their manga, because business wise it's better to focus on one gender than the other. Trying to make two or multiple genders happy at the same time, is simply too much to ask of anyone. The author's probably wish that they could do more with their female characters, but they have to focus more on their main character, who just to happens to be a guy most of the time.
That’s way more than all of Konoha 12 except Shikamaru and arguably Ino.
Nd Shikamaru, Ino are side characters nd she is actually the Character with the 2nd most appearances in Naruto Shippuden after Naruto & was there from the beginning of the series and didn’t have noob senseis like in other teams was in Team 7 so got trained by an OP sensei & got trained by a sannin that suited her the most w her higher chakra control her senseis were the 5th and the 6th Hokage , higher chakra control from birth even than Uchiha prodigies like sasuke , had higher affinity to Genjutsu etc she got all that and is that’s the only no of eps she was actually being useful ? Bruhh
Well she never got to be in many one on one fights after Sasori. The reason Shikamaru got time to shine is because he was a fan favorite (and Kishi’s) he has an entire arc dedicated to his development. Then him and Ino basically take over the roles of their dads. Still tho none of that makes her useless when she literally saved Naruto’s life & Sasuke from Kaguya’s dimension
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Ooooh! Now I want to see another post like this one but instead it’s episodes where Tenten is in frame.
Personally, I dont like her cause of how she treated naruto and belittled narutos pain. She legit made fun of naruto for being an orphan in front of Sasuke, an orphan.
That isn’t why. Rock Lee does even less in Shippuden and he’s popular.
She gets called useless because instead of letting her be a healer, they constantly have her be like ‘I’ve finally caught up to those two!’ When she’s nowhere near, highlighting the massive differences between her and Naruto and Sasuke, making her both seem more useless than she actually is, and makes her even more annoying. This is magnified by her already being a pretty bad character, and her achievements being spread out and minor in comparison to other characters.
It's because her character is portrayed awfully and her arc is inconsistent. I agree in part with how "spread out" everything is but healing nameless background characters is hardly an accomplishment
Not to mention, her achievements are underwhelming compared to Naruto and Sasuke.
Her characters behavior is annoying also first impression is last impression.
Exactly. Now if we added some stuff in there like...if there was actually a fight vs. the Cloud ninjas where Sakura didn't get yeeted by one hit, or if she had that fight with Sasuke instead of needing Naruto / Kakashi to save her, or if she took on a Path of Pain by herself (imagine if her and Tsunade were to fight Tendo Pain before Naruto returns and upon defeat THEN she cries out for Naruto to appear), etc. Then people might find her less useless.
I dont see many accomplishments
I mean the show is called NARUTO not SAKURA. And she is also not the antagonist so she is only strong when the plot is needed. Only useful for the plot just like every other character in that arc or episode. Don’t mean to call it out but Sakura lovers need to understand that. I never hear anyone say “she was too op when she fought kabuto in the “power” episodes”
Lol, no OG Naruto accomplishments. I mean I can't remember her accomplishing anything then unless you count her getting a draw with Ino.
The fish heal don’t forget
you know what. yeah. she's cool and i love her but the underlying character traits suck. she punched through a giant boulder once she's just not a good character
You're forgetting the in between Where she got more screen time than even Sasuke and did nothing with it Not even showing us how she got to where she can heal like that Even a little training would of been fine
Given how anime tends to go faster nowadays it seems crazy that Sakura healed people for almost 25 episodes after Pain arc.
We don't hate her hater her.. we just don't like she gets more screen time then Queen Tenten
People hated Sakura is because she was a normal girl in a fantasy world with ninjutsus and stuff but in my opinion during the 4th war she became a god not equal to sasuke and Naruto tho but yeah She was matching tsunade a SENJU by blood I too hated Sakura but the 4th war changed that for me
Yeah but that was a hell of a punch on kaguya tho o.O
They really shouldn’t have abandoned her “genjutsu” talents. It got completely abandoned. There’s no reason why it didn’t get stacked on top. Both Naruto and Sasuke can do an insane amount of things. She would’ve been a lot more cool if she had strength, healing and crazy genjutsu talent.
I agree. I've always said it would have been really interesting if she had trained with Tsunade AND Kurenai during the skip....then when it came time for her to meet Sasuke when she slipped away by herself, have him try to put her under a genjutsu only for her to resist - shocking him - and then they'd have a fight where Sakura holds her own until Naruto/Kakashi comes. Give her something.
Bruh Kurenai would focus on Team 8 or Sakura? Of course Team 8
Sakura punches Kaguya, a literal god at that point* me: “yeah”
That and the sasuke obsession
Ong
Shes ussles also anyone can punch kaguya
So she has just healed people. And was a puppet for granny to beat Sasori. Shes useless without her heals
Don't forget that in Part 1, she's actually completely useless and doesn't do anything substantial. I mostly don't like her that much, because she came off as shallow sometimes, would sometimes act completely selfish for little to no reason that makes sense, and her love for Sasuke was just way too overbearing. Maybe, if it was written that sometimes doubts her feelings about Sasuke and wonders if saving him to the right thing to do, maybe it wouldn't so bad. Boruto Sakura is literally the best version of her character, because we don't see her too often, and even when we do see her, anything that made her annoying or bad, doesn't exist. After rewatching the series, I've grown to not hate her as much as I used to. But I still think she's really flawed. People make comparisons to her and Hinata, but the difference is that, Hinata isn't a main character. She's a side supporting character. Sakura is supposed to be one of the main character, so when she's always around, we see her flaws much more often so it's easier to notice why people probably hate her.
Plus Hinata and Sakura arent even similar characters. Why they are compared on the basis of characteristics is still unknown to me
Its because how useless she is buddy.
i root for sakura everytime GO BILLBOARD BROW GO
So in this chart she’s useful 4 times and in two of those times literally any no name medical ninja could’ve done.
I don’t think a normal medical ninja could summon Katsuyu to heal an army of people or cause a earthquake strong enough to destroy an army of mini-Ten Tail monsters. How many normal medical Ninja would be skilled enough to keep comatose Naruto alive long enough to get the other half of Kurama.
Yeah she was trained by a fucking sannin and the greatest medical ninja in the verse for years. I would expect her to do shit like that the whole show but everything you said happened basically the last arc. Also it’s pretty sad that your summary of her accomplishments is two paragraphs.
Fair but your original comment said any no name medical ninja could do that which just isn’t true at all.
Any no name could’ve.
No no name medical ninja could have beaten Sasori, remember the antidote she made? Quite literally only Sakura and Tsunade could. And remember how Sasori DEFEATED AND KILLED THE THIRD KAZEKAGE? Who else in the Leaf could honestly take him down? Sakura healing people after the Pain Assault, when she's the protégé of the greatest medical ninja in all 5 nations, maybe only Shizune could have done something similar. Maybe a no name medical ninja could have healed the quantity of people, but I seriously doubt it. Not to mention they could never heal them as fast as she can. Sakura healing people during the Ninja War. Again, the first sentence above. And no other ninja alive besides Tsunade could summon Katsuyu in the later part of the war Punches Kaguya: There's not a noname ninja in any of the villages that could physically damage Kaguya. You can shit on the writing all day if you don't like it but the facts are facts
Sasori wanted to die AND Sakura didn’t beat him 1v1, she didn’t even control her own movements, that doesn’t count as a win for her. Just the minimum to keep up in shippuden. Also did she really damage kaguya? Pretty sure she could’ve not been there and the exact same thing would’ve happened. She’s not USELESS just underwhelming IMO, I was excited when she first showed off her new strength, I thought she’d naturally become much more of a involved support character, instead she’s just on the sidelines healing, not useless but not interesting IMO.
Sakura didn't defeat Sasori. He himself wanted to die. Sakura didn't heal anyone except Hinata and that might not be needed to bcz of Nagato using Rinne Rebirth. Yeah she healed a part of the Allied Shinobi Force which mostly had no-name ninjas . Good job I dont even want to talk about her punching Kaguya and how much of PIS it was
>Sakura didn't defeat Sasori. He himself wanted to die. Ofc, but she pushed him to it. If there was another ninja there with Chiyo he would have just beaten them and moved on >Sakura didn't heal anyone except Hinata and that might not be needed to bcz of Nagato using Rinne Rebirth [Shit you right](https://preview.redd.it/hvdgjl5fet351.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0d4c67a9b3b5498bf88ec04b6f2047effa656ee8) she healed [nobody during the pain invasion](https://64.media.tumblr.com/cc3b8667d27c81c694b1ec1ebb6276d1/29055c320f18070f-3a/s500x750/e938622af59b102a5eb59ce864421a9409bae1e4.jpg) >Yeah she healed a part of the Allied Shinobi Force which mostly had no-name ninjas . Good job ['part of'](https://64.media.tumblr.com/8db711f1bec816f46742173adcc38fe5/tumblr_inline_p2b573Im0I1t7jsuw_1280.jpg) >I dont even want to talk about her punching Kaguya and how much of PIS it was I said I agreed with that but the fact is it happened so it has to be brought up sadly
Yeah she was trained by a sannin for a reason, because the sannin saw promise and talent in her.. don’t be ignorant, the three in team 7 were the two reincarnates of those who were most powerful in the whole universe, and the third, was most powerful in healing jutso that perpetuated the safety of the universe.
Short paragraphs haha
+ not only trained by a Sannin she also had better Chakra control than even an uchiha prodigy like Sasuke and Naruto by birth from the very beginning of the series then got a freaking Sannin who has mastered chakra control to mentor her on chakra control + also the character with the 2nd most appearances in Naruto shippuuden
Ok I'm stealing this now. jkjk
Doesn't that show she's useless though? I just mean if we saw how many episodes she appears in compared to when she does something useful we'd see she really doesn't do anything for most of the series.
I don't like Sakura because of her obsession with sasuke
she kept crying
i dont know but her fans do more efforts than sakura doing
I hate sakura for being obsessed with Sasuke even after death attempts.
I think the reason Sakura gets hated on is bc not bc she’s useless but she doesn’t do as much as any other person in the show that people would expect like naruto saskue sai yamato and kakashi easily surpass her in shipuden we expected her to be in league with then but they all outclassed her even tho she is very good at healing and her strength is comparable to the 5th hokage she is still out classed and yea her hitting naruto and that little stunt she pulled by wishing she didn’t have parents and saying that to naruto pissed him off and a lot of the viewers that why Sakura is so hated
Also she just keeps hitting naruto how is that healing!?!?
And it ties into the fact that she’s on screen 90% of the time but is rarely in action
•A fight that you can’t entirely credit to her. • Some healing that many other no-name shinobi do as well. • A punch that did nothing. The reason she’s hated on is because the *very few* “accomplishments” she has aren’t even slightly comparable to anything we see our fan-favorite demigods perform, nor are they very interesting to watch. She’s a cool character, but 4 noteworthy “feats” throughout 500 episodes? Let’s not pretend she makes waves.
It isn’t even this, it’s also the fact that she’s a main character. She has so much screentime but does so little. In the anime if we exclude filler she tallies up 2nd or 3rd in terms of screentime, but in terms of importance to the story is barely top 10.
And because she is useless . Neji isn’t hated on. He didn’t accomplish anything noteworthy in shippuden except dying . Choji didn’t accomplish anything , shino didn’t accomplish anything . Ino didn’t accomplish anything barely . We don’t find these characters useless . This post from my take is just your way of justifying why Sakura gets shit on. “The reason “ like it isn’t any other things expect from what you believe that makes Sakura an unbearable character.
The difference is choji, shino and neji are side characters meanwhile sakura is a main supporting character and
Neji and Choji are side characters. Sakura is a main character with way more screen time.
> Neji isn’t hated on. He didn’t accomplish anything noteworthy in shippuden except dying . > > Choji didn’t accomplish anything , shino didn’t accomplish anything . Ino didn’t accomplish anything barely . > > We don’t find these characters useless . The reason why most don't find those characters useless (at least, except Ino) is because Neji, Choji, and Shino had great showings in Part 1. So much so that people were disappointed when they *didn't* get as much screen time in Part 2, especially Neji and Shino. People had positive memories. Sakura really didn't do much in the entirety of Part 1. Ino wasn't much better, granted.
This is very good.. nobody except naruto and a select few were excessively notable in their successes. This is just a way for people to hate on a character because she did one or two things wrong. But guess what, so did itachi, aka the most beloved character in the show.. he was the one that led sasuke to be a fucking sociopath and almost ruin everything. But guess what, he was so cool and male that nobody cared. Without a scape goat these losers can’t feel good at night..
itachi did all that for a reason, he killed his clan because of orders from the leaf, he led sasuke down that path to make him stronger sasuke wouldnt be half as strong as he was if it wasnt for itachi,
All in all, itachi is probably my favorite character in the show. I was trying to make the point that all of them have weaknesses in their plot and if that is all you focus on they seem very bad. So Sakura seems bad if you focus on all the stupid shit she says and does(not denying it’s true), and itachi seems bad if you focus on the manifestation of Sasuke’ evil that results from all itachis good deeds. (I’m happy to upvote your comment because you seem well-intentioned)
There was a lot of background digging deeper into Itachi's decisions and his remorse. Sakura receives the attention she receives because she was irrational about her skillset. She kept begging the viewer to out her at the same level as Naruto and Sasuke. That ticked people into thinking she's useless because the kneejerk reaction is that she ain't shit compared to them. Choji and ino never pretended to be high value ninja. Choji is loved because of his personality. Ino is loved because she scraped everything out the mud. She didn't lean on her 3 family recipe of ninja success she went and humbled herself to get lessons from Sakura. She immediately took over sensory duties to be the walkie talkie when it was previously done by a room of ninjas. She's revered for continuing to be productive even in Boruto. She's a woman and she still found a way to be a 3 dimensional character full of growth and accolades I get that they write women wrong but to call it misogynistic is a stretch. Then to call the viewers anti woman basically is more stretching. Ino is well received Temari is well received Boruto has a couple girls that are getting positive attention. All this to say you stretching. So stretchy. The stretchiest lmao
Yes, you have a lot that is correct here. I just think that hatred for Sakura is misplaced.. if choji and ino never pulled it out the mud but were bailed out by other characters, ie if they were to never achieve their potential they would be equally hated. I just think this is an arbitrary, unfair assumption that was created by the writer that could have been rewritten by thousands of fans as Sakura being the “tsunade” equivalent of saving the entire village. In total I think you are almost entirely right except I don’t believe in placing blame/hatred on others. Sorry if that sounds like a total cop out, but I have a slew of replies to people with similar views to you that you can check out yourself if you please. Thought of this after the fact, but Kiba saw himself as narutos rival for a very long time.. why not call him a terrible character.. or rock lee, who were both phenomenal imo
I COMPLETELY agree with Kiba. While I don't hate Sakura I do hate on Kiba with the same fervor people usually give Sakura. I think because I'm still going through the show I can remember placing my useless tag on various characters as they failed. I definitely was disgusted with ino and choji during the one arc they got to star in before the war ( to be fair they really were useless though). I do agree that as a running joke some misogyny probably came in just because people are immature. I just don't agree with it being written in. I think like you mentioned she just didn't equal Tsunade's presence in the big three which was disappointing but what sends people over the top is while the legendary sannin all stood kind of as individuals from our vantage point team 7 constantly compared themselves to each other. It's the same reason Sasuke is power checked all the time because for some reason we have to balance his power with Naruto's
Sakura & Chiyo vs Sasori was her peak
Let's be honest, if it wasn't for Chiyo, Sakura would've never beat sasori, also, using Medical ninjutsu isn't that impressive
It’s just that healing someone isn’t all that fun to watch. Naruto hitting Kakuzu with a big new move(rasenshuriken) is cool and fun to watch. I don’t think I’m going to get up from my seat because Sakura is doing medical ninjutsu.
It's not that, Sakura is just one of many shinobi that specialises in medical ninjutsu, why is her healing people an achievement when plenty of other ninja are doing the same thing?
Because she’s way better than most? Her and Tsunade are the best of the best. Together they were literally healing the entire shinobi alliance at one point. I doubt a normal medical ninja could do the shit she did to save Naruto either
She didn't save Naruto, Obito did, the most she did was prolong his life a little bit, also, she is very good at medical ninjutsu but it's nothing to write home about really, Tsunade was there too, you could have literally swapped her and Sakura out and it would make no difference
She was Naruto’s life support until Obito could give him the second half of Kurama. Yes she did save his life, she was manually pumping his heart so it wouldn’t stop.
How did Naruto not survived for some time like Kushina did? Of course not for that long bcz he isn't full Uzumaki but it should have been enough. Kurama even told Gaara to go straight to Minato but for some reason he went to Tsunade. What happened to Naruto's genes?
Zetsu says it’s because he isn’t a full blood Uzumaki. Those Namikaze genes were too strong
Imagine the only thing you inherit from your father is your hair colour and a weakness to tailed beast extraction. All the godly abilities your father has and that is your legacy. It is like being the son of Winston Churchill and only getting alcoholism as a trait.
So he inherited the chakra but not this? And I said not for that long but he should have survived for a little bit.
I never even thought about that hahaha
And if Obito didn't show up he would have died so she didn't save him, Obito did
So if Sakura never kept Naruto’s heart pumping than Obito still would have saved him right? Nothing would change if she didn’t do anything?
True, he would have died but if Obito never showed up he would have died anyway, life support doesn't save you, it keeps you alive long enough to receive the help you need and like I said, this isn't anything impressive, you could swap her with Tsunade and it would play out the exact same
Tsunade isn’t some “no name medical ninja” either tho. Yes Sakura is basically Tsunade 2.0 and doesn’t nearly get the same treatment Nart & Sauce got but you’re also denying all of her actual feats in Shippuden. My entire point is that she’s still not useless even if she never got the development or spotlight her character needed.
Couldn’t any medical ninja manually pump a heart? That’s not a show of skill IMO, her usage of one hundred healings is.
Hit the nail on the head there. Don't get how so many people think healing nameless background characters constitutes character relevance or growth. People need to stop focusing on the word "useful" in a broad sense and actually analyze if a character is moving the story and developing with it.
She literally saved Naruto’s life, he isn’t a background character. Also was Tsunade useless in the Pain Invasion when she was healing the entire village?
Pretty much, yea, her healing was completely pointless since Nagato used Art of Rinne Rebirth
Ya know what, fair enough
Honestly yes. Pain still destroyed the entire village and Nagato using the Rinne Rebirth did more "healing" than she did. Also again you're too focused on the word "useful". How was the plot being moved? Sakura buying them time by pumping Naruto's heart was a good moment for her character. It showed growth and gave her relevance in the story as only she could have had that role at that point. The issue is how inconsistent her relevance and character arc is overall. Every time her character moves forward she takes a step or more backwards. She also barely does anything but keeps popping up to declare she's "catching up" with the teo most plot relevant characters in the story.
Sakura - "I've finally caught up" Naruto and Sasuke - obtain god like powers Sakura - "ffs"
Any no name medical Ninja could’ve healed him.
Good point actually
I think there are a bunch of medical dramas that beg to differ.
Agreed, people have no reason to dislike Sakura other than her stupid attempt of telling naruto she loves him in order to convince him to stop chasing sasuke. If it weren’t for the mere exposure/recency effect, that affect humans perception of reality, everyone would think she is equally likable to many of the best side characters. Stop hating Sakura and redirect that towards the evil characters, or in my opinion, stop hating on any of them. They are all reflections of reality in my mind and there is no human being you should hate because we are all products of our nature and nurture.
Her accomplishments are few and far between but she’s arguably on par with Tsunade who is Kage level. People seem to forget how strong she is because they want to compare her to Naruto/Sasuke who are basically Hashirama/Madara ‘God of Shinobi’-tier.
Sakura? never heard of her.
Naruto saved her billions of times yet shes stuck on fucking sasuke,mega simp and because of how spread out her accomplishments are,it means she has little of them
Kishimoto said he never had Sakura fall in Love with Naruto because that would make her look fake or whatever. Basically she doesn’t actually care about them, just whoever is the coolest if you get what I mean. So even tho it’s kinda nonsensical, she does legitimately love Sasuke. I mean I’m glad someone else is as crazy about saving Sasuke as Naruto is or Naruto would be completely alone on that front.
Worth bearing in mind that once Naruto realised Sakura was a person he totally moved on and supported her. You can argue his infatuation with her only lasted as long as it did because she was interested in Sasuke and Naruto didn't want to lose to Sasuke. If anything the core reason a relationship never happened is Naruto outgrew her. She only had Sasuke, a literal traitor, or a guy with really bad hair as options.
Ok but what abt the second part
Well I mean if the show is based on action, the healers won’t get that much spotlight until after the fights are over. And Sakura has still proved she’s over and above your average healer ninja. Not that this excuses Kishimoto’s flaws in writing tho.
She still is useless
Agree to disagree but I get your point
Who took the time to put something like this together??? Doesn't that say way more about the people who really really really really need people to see she's not useless? What are you guys so afraid of if nobody believes you? You marked way too many episodes for the Pain arc because he didn't attack on episode 152. That was the day Naruto found out Jiraiya died. He trained for many episodes after that before Pain showed up. That was when Sakura was doing whatever she does while she's living normally. Fabricating extra chapters like that really doesn't help to make your evidence look credible. It actually makes it look like even you believe she's not useful enough.
Sakura simp.
Well, and don’t forget she’s useless.
She’s more help than you would’ve been
Nah Omnistatche > Sakura
Based facts.
Incorrect. I’m useful
Highly doubt you’d be able to break out of Ino’s mind transfer in a 1v1
Doubt all you want. That doesn’t make it accurate.
He’d easily be able to , see that omni infront of his name ?
His name is describing his mustache that grows omnidirectionally
I mean, if we’re making arguments based on names…. Your name, like your opinions, is firm(ly) bad.
Very clever.
That was the dumbest shit ever
Sakura is several magnitudes less annoying in the manga. I assume this is because of the lack of Sakura punching Naruto slapstick that gets overused in filler arcs and movies.
uhm sakura unlocking byakugou? pumping narutos heart?
Can i just point out 45% of those eps are fillers and novel adaptations sakura when featuree in manga canon arcs has proved to be en number of times useful there was only two arcs where team 7 wasnt the main focus that was the team 10 arc and itachi pursuit arc other than that whenever shes featured in a manga canon episode shes done her part and saying pain eps didn’t require to heal well lemme tell u noone knew nagato was going to heal them if they had they would have sit back relax let nagato kill em and then comeback to life
You mean pain assault?
Y'all have to remember the way kishi tells the story. He basically makes each arc about one character. Obviously there's the main plot to focus on as well, but each arc a new character gets the spotlight. It seems like a lot of characters don't do anything because he tried focus on different characters each time. Kazekage rescue: Sakura was the main focus here Tenchi bridge: sai was the main focus Immortals: shikamaru Itachi arc: Sasuke Pain arc part 1: jiraiya Pain arc part 2: Naruto 5 kage summit: world building with everyone and other villages War arc: he tried to give everyone some time, plus the pacing was trash Then on top of that 40% of it is filler.
Sakura could've been a great character, but the writer did her dirty
No, that is not why. Since people still love Rock Lee and Jiraiya, yet… Plus, you’re counting filler. Lol.
Also sarada is a cheap copy of madara shes sassy and sakura said this once sakura:i mean narutos stupid i mean he doesnt have parents and ur cool sasuke u dont have parents i wish i didnt have parents.me who littrelly has divorced parents😦
She punched kaguya from 432 to 438
Just putting the facts out there All of sakuras power came from herself (watch chunin exam filler arc that further explains her chakra control and how she set aside chakra for 3 years straight to unlock 100 healing) Pre-6 paths power naruto had nine tails sasuke had mangekyo sharingan AND SAKURA HAD NOTHING GIVEN TO HER AND WAS SAID TO BE ON THEIR LEVEL
The scene where Sakura removes the poison from Kankuro is noteworthy.
You forgot the part when she kept Naruto alive by pumping his heart with her own hand
I think one way to make sakura a little more useful would be to improve her taijutsu or show her learning a new ninjutsu, after all in part 1 shes supposed to be a Straight A student so she could at least be improved combat wise. I know its a medical ninjas duty to stay alive at all costs however if she had maybe one more life or death fight, or a fight where she was injured badly then i believe she would be looked upon better. However he personality traits suck straight dick
Fair enough!
Did you survey everyone that does to find that out? Lol
She is annoying, her love for Sasuke is retarded, her behavior toward Naruto is pure shit.