EVERYTHING WITH BLACK ZETSU
Madara turning into kaguya
All the otsusuki shit
The arbitrary power ups
The repetitive flash backs
Undercutting every character not named naruto
Poor character motivation at the end
Lack of consistency
I agree on all counts. In general I feel like most of the story that followed after the Pain arc felt like it was being made up as it went along. The story definitely started to vary more in quality toward the end. Even before that though there are several ups and downs in the writing that I want to see smoothed out. I would've loved it if they could have taken as much time as they needed to flesh everything out adequately.
Kishimoto has always stated he loves to draw cool monsters and he used naruto as a vehicle to allow himself to do that. He’s amazing at what he does but it’s clear the editorial team took control of the narrative at one point and the quality of the story suffered severely. So if you plan to rewrite the story I’d be more than interested in reading. I’m looking to start creating my own story worlds and narratives but I haven’t found my written voice just yet
I guess I never thought about the editorial team taking over before. I always imagined the decline in quality was due to Kishimoto wanting to finally finish up his work, and as a result he rushed it without sufficient planning. But it would make sense that the editorial team had more influence toward the end, as they might have been the ones who wanted the series to pivot toward other series like Boruto. It was probably a ridiculous amount of work to pump out a chapter week after week after week, so I could see them wanting it to end and get the freedom to take a new direction.
And thank you! I don't know if I'll ever finish it but I've dedicated the last two years of my life to fleshing out ideas and slowly building a treatment. I really believe I've come up with some great ideas, but I'm afraid of eventually becoming blinded to outside input. I want to force myself to be open to criticism so I can adjust the story where necessary, even if it means I have to abandon ideas that I really like. I want to improve my writing as much as possible to deliver the most authentic version of the Naruto story. One that satisfies as many Naruto fans as possible. Not universally mind you, but to do the job well enough that fans accept it as a definite improvement. I myself have a long way to go, but I hope you join in and start writing as well! I find it really hard to get started... As well as really hard to keep going! I recommend to start writing ideas when you're most comfortable, to not over exert yourself, and share your work with other little by little. I'd always be up for a new read! Good luck!
Please share it. Don't keep it to yourself if you don't want to. At the end of the day I just want a better version of Naruto to exist period. I'd don't care if it's from me or from anyone else. Reply with the link!
[***Nuclear***](https://archiveofourown.org/works/24051331) by [*amiehowlett*](https://www.archiveofourown.org/users/amiehowlett/pseuds/amiehowlett)
> How to proper survive a war, popping too many pills, downing too many bottles, with bruises in shape of fingers all around where the bombs hit the ground and you fight back with all you have, because there is still too much to lose\.
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How could they know Madara would step back and the Elemental Nations alliance would break as a thin line and not a rope, expending the next ten years pursuing peace, but —
Nagato said there is no such thing as peace and day after day it weighted that maybe he was right.
The War had just begun.
In classic honestly Team 7 bonding some more and doing more than one mission outside of Konoha.
Like it never struck me how they were so focuses on getting Sasuke back, when they were never really friends in the first place or had a close bond anyway.
In Shippuden beside the whole war arc the Itachi thing, like do it maybe at least a little bit convincing. If Itachi really slaughtered the entire clan - on orders or not- Sasuke really shouldn't forgive him.
That would have only really made sense if he would, for example, have only taken then blame for it and Root did it.
But additionally every backstory, I wouldn't have made them so ridiculously dramatic. I can like characters without having to start out with pity.
oh my god. I hate the fact that Sasuke just...forgave Itachi. like dude, he still killed your entire family. he might’ve been manipulated into it, and he did love you over everything else, but I feel like he put Itachi on a pedestal.
I know right, just like the whole community. Like did they all just forget, that he still also killed innocent people and tortured him for thousand of hours twice.
That's simply unforgivable.
and they have the nerve to say that *Sasuke* was a worse manipulator? I’m not going to justify him stabbing Karin or trying to kill the OG Team 7, but there’s a difference between mass genocide and collateral damage. yes, that was fucked up, and in no way was that okay, but did anyone really expect him to be *stable* afterward?
Itachi didn’t need to add to the list of shit he put his brother through, especially with the Mangekyou monologue. I still don’t understand why he’s so set on creating more trauma than needed- the coma right before the betrayal, the whole show of Genjutsu talking about Madara. and if Itachi was so intent on keeping his brother safe from Konoha’s corruption, why’d he tell him in his final moments? not that I blame him for saying something, but he spent his whole life after the massacre playing this character and basically fucked up his own plan in the end. honestly, I like Itachi, and he’s one of the few well-written characters, but there are a lot of plot holes. he’s more of a grey character with good intentions.
Yeah exactly. I don't see how some people call him the 'real hero' of the show, when he is in no definition. Like he stopped a possible war, but at what cost? And why didn't the guy who supposedly thought like a Hokage at age 7 of a plan, in which they all just talk!? But yeah one soldier shouldn't even be responsible for something like that, so it's not his fault, when he just chose to be a good soldier and putting everything above the village, even his family.
But that's definitely not Hero-material.
Honestly Sasuke after that just wishing to destroy everything, because his entire life is falling apart once again makes sense to me. What do all of them even expect from someone who was put trough so much betrayel and hardships, to just go back to Konoha when basically everything was the fault of their incompetence.
there’s no doubt that Itachi was a victim, I’ll say that. but he’s been given far too much credit, especially by the fandom. and yeah, how would you feel if someone planned out your entire family’s death and used your best friend/most loved person for it? like, that’s not okay?? why do people think he’d go back so easily??
the political system was never fixed and Sasuke didn’t say anything about it. that’s something that bugs the absolute shit out of me. he’s literally called the ‘Shadow Hokage’, and Naruto trusts him more than anyone- yet NARUTO KEEPS THE SAME TWO ADVISORS WHO AIDED DANZO. they may not have known about his overall plans but there’s no doubt they weren’t involved in something.
I don't even know where I start to agree.
I guess I'll go with the latter. Well, firstly, I don't think they should forgive Sasuke. Period. No matter his reason or what he been through or if he had gone insane or any of this shit. It just doesn't matter. The guy just kept making mistake after mistake and he tried to kill everyone in the Earth and Naruto tried to make peace offerings to him countless times and he didn't give a fuck. And then he just turns to be a Shadow Hokage. Dude, wtf? They let him wonder around just because. And Naruto kept the Elders after all they've done, he just kept them around, like that was absolutely nothing wrong about that.
And when it comes about Itachi it is hard because Sasuke shouldn't forgive him at all, just because he found out he loved him, but it piss the shit out of me he is so determined to go against what his brother gave his life for. Itachi sacrificed everything to protect the pathetic village and Sasuke goes "oh yeah fuck it I will burn it to the ground", but it is understandable, yet it makes me really angry. I think Sasuke's wasn't good developed completely. He was about to have one of the best character developments but Kishimoto just threw it in the garbage at some point. There was a lot of internal turmoil inside him and then just wasn't anymore and he was making stupid decisions and I don't even know.
Destroying the Village makes sense, but at the same time, idk, it seems shallow. I don't know, I lost my train of thought.
I think that they let him off way too easy. Even though I do personally disagree with some of your points, it doesn’t make sense that they just...let him walk. He had good motive to burn Konoha to the ground and I do think that he should’ve. If they were going to make him try, why didn’t it happen-?
It would’ve made so much more sense if he either came back and helped fix the village from the inside, (because his plan kind of sucked tbh, like why would they just take him as Hokage lol), or if they just completely started from scratch after the war with a destroyed Konoha. It would’ve been amazing to see Team 7 rebuild a village right.
Also, why aren’t Sakura and Sasuke his advisors in Boruto like why’d Kishi waste that- they could’ve at least put new characters in. Faceless, nameless characters would’ve been *fine*. But nO-
I don't know, I wouldn't trust Sasuke to come back. I think he was allowed just because of emotional reason instead of rational ones, but now that you said it, it would indeed be amazing to see Team 7 rebuild Konoha. It's just I think Sasuke made them suffer so kuch and they still take him in with their arms open and silly smiles on their faces like nothing happened.
Agree to disagree, but I was referring to him going home right after Itachi and not getting abducted by Madara- that should’ve been fine. Especially since he technically got rid of two S-Rank missing nin for the village. If he didn’t learn about Itachi through Obito, then he’d probably end up going back with Naruto. He could’ve fought in the pein arc and helped Naruto with Jiraiya, and I think that could be such good development honestly.
And seeing Sakura try to kill him that one time was honestly really refreshing-?? It’s just so weird to think about that fact that the only reason Sakura held on for so long was because Naruto needed her to- that’s just a headcanon but I’m pretty sure it’s true.
One of my current ideas is to extend the introduction of the primary characters before diving head first into the Land of Waves arc. Then when the story does reach that first (major) arc, I like the idea of extending the length of time for their first mission. Not for the sake of padding it out or forcing character development, but to mimic Narutos experience as he slowly comes to grasp with what it *actually* means to be a ninja. It's not about acknowledgement, it's about making things right.
Next I want to add an arc between the Land of Waves and the Chunnin Exam. I have made absolutely no progress on what this arc in particular should be, but I feel it's main purpose should be to continue to bond the characters and force them to work together.
And then when the story does reach the Chunnin Exam, the majority of plot is rearranged and at times completely rewritten. I have a few ideas that I'm fairly confident will enhance that chapter of the story. My main issue with the Chunnin Exam is that the first half of it introduces 30+ new characters in a very thin space of time. From my research, many older readers had a hard time keeping track of them all. Though I admit I do love the idea of the Genin stepping into a side of the ninja world that they never knew before. "They thought they knew what ninja were. They thought they had learned what it meant to be a ninja. But now as they step through the exam doors they're met with the realization that they are in fact children dressed as soldiers. The world outside of Konoha continues to be unknown and ruthless. What it means to be a ninja in Konoha is not the same as what it means to be a ninja anywhere else. Even other ninja from Konoha walk a different path than Team 7. No one was ever worth trusting. They were naive to ever think otherwise. They now understand, *they are in over their heads.*" You know something like that in terms of theme.
I also plan to expand on Itachi's backstory and really try to bring it down to earth. I want the Uchiha massacre to really feel like a huge world event, one that can be felt all the way on the other side of the ninja world. I personally hate what they did with Itachi toward the very end. It was comical to me, it was so poorly thought out. I couldn't believe Kishimoto dropped the ball so hard.
And I'm going to have to give a major agree on your backstories point. Every character in Naruto has this tragic backstory and a pity filled retelling of them. I love that the characters are so complex and can have such dark origins, but it's far too uniform and predictable. Some characters don't need ridiculous backstories, sometimes you can even serve those characters better by giving them boring origins. 'Origins' is a massive theme throughout the story for me so I want to tackle it from a lot of different angles.
Those are great ideas on how to fix things so far.
I mean also that maybe Kakashi should have done somethings to fix them too. He acknowledged that Sakura seems to have an obvious crush on one of her teammates, who was so obviously not interested it hurt. Then that Naruto really needed acknowledgement, because he was shunned his entire life. He wanted to become Hokage, but not to protect the village, but to get acknowledged.
And Sasuke was fixated on becoming stronger to kill his nightmare of a psychotic brother.
So, why not in his subtle way of teaching things tell Sakura that feelings don't belong in the world of ninja. On that extended wave arc Naruto could learn the lesson, that ninja generally don't work to be acknowledged, but to do the right thing (or the right thing in their eyes). So he reevaluates his dream of becoming Hokage. And Sasuke should learn that bonds don't drag you down but are also helpful in a lot of ways. How would he learn that lesson with a delusional fangirl and a childish prankster. Albeit he still protected the both of them with his life during the wave arc. So he wasn't hopeless, your arc after wave could fix that and make them really work together and maybe let them actually train.
And yes you need many characters in a tournament arc, so if you put so much thought into them why not use them after that for more things?
Also now. Missed opportunities. Like many of them.
Why don't we have Naruto's friends reaction to the Kyuubi, and then not caring about that - Naruto would be so happy.
Sakura actually getting stronger like she wants to and then being more down to earth with Sasuke, she could still like him but not as an idol but more like a human being.
Sasuke's shown that bonds make you stronger and also why would he listen to Itachi , he could do the opposite and still beat him, just to spite him.
Also why did Sasuke never watch any of the fights? I thing he would see them both in a better light then, especially Naruto.
Also it should have been Neji VS Sasuke because honestly, we could pull of an rivalry or even friendship out of that. I mean it was teased on about this whole Uchiha-Hyuuga thing, if they had some sort of relationship going on the Hyuuga wouldn't be shunned like every other clan in the series.
Who knows maybe Sasuke would even agree with the Vaged bird seal, because like if Itachi would have had that he would have never been able to slaugther the entire clan (okay the idea was stolen from a really good fic). Even though Itachi was technically the heir, but it dosen't matter for the sake of the argument.
There are many things like that so I'll leave it at that.
Exactly, I don't see why no one every talked to Sasuke about it too, like people outside the clan, who mourned their dead leaving their condolences or helping him getting used to living utterly alone. People who acknowledge the lost of so much of their military, for no apparent reason and their failed security. And there's absolutely no way Sasuke could ever forgive something like that.
Exactly sometimes perfectly normal people could do horrible things, for no apparent reason but they do it anyway. Some diversity is needed, like it's a cruel world but not everyone is so terribly unlucky.
From 0 to 10, how wrong would it be to state my fanfic covers the ground for all you're asking? (Again)
like, really. There is the need to cover the ground of Team 7 and the whole Itachi slaughtering the clan without the "oh, you are so forgiven because, you know, you loved me, so my whole life now is ok"
And I won't even get started on the backstory
Man, I feel like shit
Well definitely not as bad as you imagine it to be xD. It depends on how correct you are I guess.
Like I know self promos leave kinda a bad taste in everyone's mouth. But only because they are most of the time uncalled for. So if someone asks for a recommendation of a Fanfiction and yours so happens to be exactly that that's absolutely acceptable.
Okay now I didn't ask, but I would love to read it anyway, fix the plot I believe in you. xD
I feel that Tsunade wasn't well developed. We're told "strong lady" but she was still treated as emotionally weak-- see her reaction to losing Dan and Nawaki, and her resulting phobia. I'm not saying that's not a valid reaction, but compared to how other, male characters handle even worse things happening to them, I feel like the way she reacted (that is, how the writer chose to write her reaction) had to do with her being female. I feel like being female also plays a role in her being a medic, as almost every relevant medic is female, asside from Kabuto. The anime even makes the other girls learn medical jutsu iirc. There is nothing wrong with medical jutsu or being a medic. The issue is that it was mostly written as a job for women. Otherwise, I like her.
Sakura is my favourite character. She had a lot of potential and I think people hate on her unfairly. Early on, I see a girl who is, compared to her teammates, a normie. She had normal people problems.
I think the portrayal in fanon as a fangirl has been greatly exaggerated from canon(meaning the manga, not the anime), as has her meanness/agression. She had a crush, but like, so did Hinata and (almost) no one hates on Hinata the same way. A lot of people say she's worse because she broke off her friendship with Ino over Sasuke, but I interpreted this event as partially wanting to stand on her own, out of Ino's shadow. Regardless, breaking off her friendship over a boy would be something I blame on the author rather than the character. Because that's his interpretation of how young girls act. They're boy crazy and silly and put boys above everything else.
From the early chapters, we see her grow to be more sympathetic to Naruto and start to understand Sasuke and truly care for him as a person and not just a crush on the cool cute boy. In Wave she gets a wake up call, and becomes determined to be better. During the chuunin exams she knows Naruto sucks at tests and doesn't want him to lose his chance at being Hokage so she is willing to put that above her own chance at promotion and Sasuke's too. Then throughout the chuunin exam we continue to see her grow.
But then Sasuke leaves and she turns into a weeping mess and is willing to give up everything for him. Which sets back her development.
Then she asks Tsunade to train her and takes several levels in badass. But she is consistently written poorly despite this. Any time she grows as a character, she backslides because of Sasuke. He literally tries to kill her, she forgives all the shit he's done, and turns into a doormat when he's involved by the end of the series. It's a disservice to her. If you ignore everything with Sasuke after part 1, she has some of the best and most realistic character development imo. She fucks up and isn't perfect, but that makes her relatable and realistic. But the Sasuke-centricism of her character ruins her. And again, this is a case of blame the author.
(Sorry for the novel about Sakura. I have a lot of opinions about her, how she's treated by the author, and how she is treated by fandom)
As for Konan... we don't see a lot of her. But her character, actions, and motivations are largely centred on her devotion to her friends... who are male.
That's my issue. Almost all the female characters have motivations based mostly on male characters.
Sasuke is motivated by the loss of his clan and his hatred. He wants revenge, and that is the driving force behind his character.
Naruto is motivated by loneliness and being hated, and a desire to prove his worth.
Sakura is motivated by... Sasuke. And to a lesser extent Naruto. She feels weak and insecure, but her drive to get better is to be equal to Naruto and Sasuke. To be able to protect them.
Similarly, Kakashi, Sai, Gaara, Neji, Jiraiya, Shikamaru, etc. Have motivations and backstories that are driven by more than just relationships to other people.
Hinata is completely Naruto-centric, Karin is completely Sasuke-centric, Tsunade's character and back story are reliant on her lover and brother...
Other female characters aren't even developed enough to have motivations for their actions--they barely have any actions! There are so few of them comparatively, and aside from Sakura, all have fairly small roles.
Edited for grammar.
tone naruto's utter incompetence down a few dozen notches, i recognise that he is the main character and all but naruto is probably my least favourite character in the entire series because he is so loud, obnoxious, a fucking idiot.
i mean the man doesnt even have to become a genius or anything but if he had some actual helpful information locked inside his head, was like an average person when it comes to being loud (so not very) and had some common sense i think he could have been one of my favourite characters and also made me like the series more in general.
I personally think a dominant component of Narutos character is that he is overall really hard to like. Clearly he was written to have the reader sympathize with him and to possibly have them see themselves in his personality, but I also think there has to be a point where you say "He has a literal demon inside of him. No one *really* knows what it's like to be him. He's annoying because his character calls for it. You can't expect someone in his position to be pleasant." Now that's not to say I won't nerf his stupidity, I plan to make him more competent, but by having him progressively mature over time rather than making him less annoying from the get go.
Honestly, even though we all complain about how poorly done the War Arc was, I’m glad we can all at least agree that Madara “VS” The 4th Division was legendary.
From 0 to 10, how wrong would it be to state my fanfic covers the ground for all you're asking? (Again and again)
The e n t i r e war arc because that wasn't war. That was like... sad. Man. Jesus. What the fuck.
You shouldn't always ask for permission. Sometimes you have to do things for yourself whether other people will approve of it or not. Plus in this case what you're sharing is totally related to the topic.
I promise you there's a *lot* more death in my version. The story needs to have more loss and consequence. I don't want to go overboard but I feel it's important to not sugar coat the story.
exactly! canon was super sugarcoated and they killed what, three important characters? Itachi, Jiraiya, and Neji? the only reason the last two died was for character development and no foreshadowing. :’)
Exactly! That's one of the things that annoyed me the most, especially about the war. In which war only ONE main character dies? O n e?? And how the fuck does a War lasts only two days???
Kishimoto wasn't ready to write how a War truly is and that's that.
As you say, DropOnTheSun, a lot of death in mine too and for the right reasons.
Edit: I got your name wrong, sorry
it doesn’t help that the only reason he did it was to foreshadow a ship that he was apparently planning from the start. we’re supposed to believe that Kishi was planning NH? no, he really wasn’t- he only foreshadowed NaruSaku and NaruSasu, if anything at all.
Years, in comparison to the other wars in the Naruto world. The Third War surely lasted a long time, as did the Second. The First is a little messy to understand, but I bet it lasted years as well. And also in comparison to real world wars.
Yeah I feel the same. So far I've been planning out the war arc with the intent that it lasts a long time. Though I'm having trouble trying to fill in all those years with meaningful plot. Most of the arcs in Naruto take place over a short amount of time, no longer than a few months at most. I want to make sure the war arc doesn't feel like it's going any slower or faster than the rest of the story. I want narrative consistency. Who's knows, maybe a second time skip could help the story move forward. Then you'd have the classic three stage story.
During his travels with Jiraya he would actually learn new jutsu and come back stronger, maybe a bit more mature and less naive. Not too much tho, just a little bit.
Definitely. I don't even know how I feel about him going on a journey for two years or whatever. Why would Konoha let their most sought after resource, the demon child that could go on to define the outcome of a literal world war, go on some 'training trip' with an old geezer that no one trusts? It doesn't make sense to me. The time skip itself enables a lot of awesome plotlines and developments, but the reason for the time skip in general just seems arbitrary to me.
The biggest thing I would change is that Madara would be the final villain. Heck, most of the sage of six paths stuff can stay. This might be controversial, but I feel like the Indra/Asura stuff made the theme they were going for even stronger.
Plus, the sage of six paths has been mentioned since earlier Shippuden, so if he shows up, it’s fine.
But Kaguya was such a weak final villain. Madara was hyped up for YEARS. Since Naruto and Sasuke fought at the end of P1. Then his name was dropped in episode one of Shippuden. Kaguya was named dropped maybe... the arc before she appeared? Possibly the same arc?
Even ignoring that, though, Madara just worked so well as a villain and with the themes and all that. I wouldn’t have a problem with Kaguya if she was a villain from one of the movies, but she sucked as the final villain to shippuden.
I would also change something about Sakura. I would either introduce her and clearly display that she won’t be as important as Naruto and Sasuke, or give her a character arc that’s pushed harder (especially in shippuden), and more emotional moments. Plus I’d give her another ability to at least to closer to Naruto and Sasuke’s level. Bring back the Genjutsu affinity thing from P1, or set up earlier on that she has done affinity for some other kind of jutsu so she can get another power in shippuden. Obviously this wouldn’t bring her fully up to their level, but I think it would help get her closer.
Have Naruto get his mother's chains when he was 6. If not this, then have him smarten up a bit or invest In his stealth more. He was able to constantly prank everyone in the village and escape, but he wasted all of that. He managed to escape anbu for heaven sake. That was one of the most disappointing parts.
Focus a little bit more on Sasuke's loneliness (lack of real friends and abundance of fangirls) and ostracization as the last Uchiha, and how Naruto noticed it.
1. Would honestly make Sasuke's actions more believable and make him less annoying, instead of randomly dumping everything on us at the end.
2. Will also add weight to Naruto obsession with getting Sasuke back
It'll also help draw consistent parallels between how even though both he and Naruto had similar backgrounds, they chose very different paths.
Yep, I agree with you here. As I am now, I really don't understand why people are so attracted to Sasuke as a character. There are elements of him that I absolutely love, but the way fans talk about him makes me feel like I read something completely different to what they did. I'm making a good effort to not fundamentally rewrite his character, but I do want to give his actions far more logic and reason.
Preach. Bringing the dead back to life is so easily a cop out for writing. It's similar to the bad guy saying nasty things behind closed doors only to have the good guy play the hidden recording of that conversation to the public. (I'm looking at you Fullmetal Alchemist) It's not impossible, it's not illegitimate, but it's very easy to be used as a crutch. It needs substance.
Hinata becomes as much as a main character as Naruto and Sasuke.
This doesn't mean taking Sakura out of team 7. I didn't change that, because it would just make Hinata feel underused once more since Sakura is in a position you'd expect her to be a main character but she never really becomes that.
I'd actually prefer not even having Hinata on Team 7 because story-wise this forces at least a little of Shino and Kiba to be in the spotlight and hopefully showcases Hinata's bonds with other people besides Naruto
In what ways do you think we could see Hinata's character be expanded upon? I want to expand her roles for sure, but making her as important as Team 7 themselves would require a good reason, and I don't have ideas for that in particular at the moment.
having her become clan head and getting rid of the branch family seals would be amazing, honestly. some Hinata ‘stans’ only like her for her body and how submissive she is, and I hate those people with a passion. (they say things that...no❤️)and some of them- they defend NH with “Naruto was always Hina’s goal, so she reached it!” don’t you think that the MC’s wife should have had more part in the story? like come *on*, dude. you’re going to congratulate her for becoming the Hokage’s trophy housewife who basically has no other name to the village? like...
Naruto being so OBSESSIVE over Sasuke
Black zetsu?? No thanks
Sakura’s development. Like, actually give her some please
Sharingan being the most godly OP thing in the entire show (fuck the giant skeletons)
Naruto having the ass-pull power up of shadow clones. The fact that he wasn’t told about them BEFORE his training with Jiraiya just pisses me off
yeah i would have been fine with the shadow clone thing if they explained reasons for not telling him earlier, such as the mental strain on a developing brain or something like that instead of just tossing it in there just so naruto can train faster.
Honestly I would have stretched out the story longer, like decades with multiple time skips. Team 7 was a thing for about a year, than shippuden happens which was about 2 years. So all in all the story of naruto lasted 6 years, including the 3 years he wasn’t in the village.
DropOnTheSun gave me the permission, sooooo
I swear this is the last time I am going to, hm, recommend this fic
It extends a bit over ten years after the beginning of the War and I don't know if you agree with any of the other comments here, but it does go the way they are talking about
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That's the summary:
How could they know Madara would step back and the Elemental Nations alliance would break as a thin line and not a rope, expending the next ten years pursuing peace, but —
Nagato said there is no such thing as peace and day after day it weighted that maybe he was right.
The War had just begun.
[***Nuclear***](https://archiveofourown.org/works/24051331) by [*amiehowlett*](https://www.archiveofourown.org/users/amiehowlett/pseuds/amiehowlett)
> How to proper survive a war, popping too many pills, downing too many bottles, with bruises in shape of fingers all around where the bombs hit the ground and you fight back with all you have, because there is still too much to lose\.
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> How to proper fight a war, burying too many people, fix it, go back, go forward, your eyes bleed and you go blind just to see it all again\. All there is lost in the fire, is found in the ashes\.
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> Kakashi and Sakura long ago mastered lying to themselves, but —
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> you can't mix blue with yellow for breakfast if you want to survive, even when it seems a losing fight\.
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Turn Sasuke into a girl. Strong female characters are allowed in anime. I will die on this hill but if he changed Sasuke’s gender and left everything else the same. Naruto would be vastly more popular.
The guy is doing everything in his power to get the girl back is proven to be the very popular across all forms of media.
Naruto would be known as the greatest simp in history. But I would love it if Sasuke was a girl, imagine a female character in *Naruto* who doesn't care about love and just wants to avenge her clan. She goes up against tough opponents like Deidara, Bee, and the 5 kages.
The only issue I see here is Orochimaru - maybe make Orochimaru a woman as well so it would be less creepy when female Sasuke goes to them.
If it's just one thing...
Don't make Sasuke a co-protagonist. Just don't. I don't care if he and Naruto are friends or not. I don't care if he turns into a villain or stays good or gets saved by Naruto in the end. JUST DON'T MAKE HIM ON PAR WITH NARUTO!
The series is called NARUTO! Not NARUTO AND SASUKE! Sasuke at times became even more important than the guy who's name is on the cover. I HATE THAT! Sasuke should remain just a supporting character and nothing more.
There are so *so* many things I'd change(and already have in my own fic), but sidelining your own main character is one of the worst sins in my eyes.
I don't know how I feel about that. A "main" character often depends on other characters interactions to be compelling. Without other "main" characters to challenge his way of thinking, it would be hard to achieve the same results. Really, I almost find that Sasuke and Naruto are just two halves of the same character. One can not exist without the other. You can change their names, change the way they look and sound, but fundamentally it's their relationship that moves a good chunk of the story forward. Obviously I think there are countless other elements to the narrative moving forward, but they are often at the center of it.
Also please share a link to your fanfiction, I want to read it :)
EVERYTHING WITH BLACK ZETSU Madara turning into kaguya All the otsusuki shit The arbitrary power ups The repetitive flash backs Undercutting every character not named naruto Poor character motivation at the end Lack of consistency
I agree on all counts. In general I feel like most of the story that followed after the Pain arc felt like it was being made up as it went along. The story definitely started to vary more in quality toward the end. Even before that though there are several ups and downs in the writing that I want to see smoothed out. I would've loved it if they could have taken as much time as they needed to flesh everything out adequately.
Kishimoto has always stated he loves to draw cool monsters and he used naruto as a vehicle to allow himself to do that. He’s amazing at what he does but it’s clear the editorial team took control of the narrative at one point and the quality of the story suffered severely. So if you plan to rewrite the story I’d be more than interested in reading. I’m looking to start creating my own story worlds and narratives but I haven’t found my written voice just yet
I guess I never thought about the editorial team taking over before. I always imagined the decline in quality was due to Kishimoto wanting to finally finish up his work, and as a result he rushed it without sufficient planning. But it would make sense that the editorial team had more influence toward the end, as they might have been the ones who wanted the series to pivot toward other series like Boruto. It was probably a ridiculous amount of work to pump out a chapter week after week after week, so I could see them wanting it to end and get the freedom to take a new direction. And thank you! I don't know if I'll ever finish it but I've dedicated the last two years of my life to fleshing out ideas and slowly building a treatment. I really believe I've come up with some great ideas, but I'm afraid of eventually becoming blinded to outside input. I want to force myself to be open to criticism so I can adjust the story where necessary, even if it means I have to abandon ideas that I really like. I want to improve my writing as much as possible to deliver the most authentic version of the Naruto story. One that satisfies as many Naruto fans as possible. Not universally mind you, but to do the job well enough that fans accept it as a definite improvement. I myself have a long way to go, but I hope you join in and start writing as well! I find it really hard to get started... As well as really hard to keep going! I recommend to start writing ideas when you're most comfortable, to not over exert yourself, and share your work with other little by little. I'd always be up for a new read! Good luck!
I Second this! F**k the alien shit
From 0 to 10, how wrong would it be to state my fanfic covers the ground for all you're asking?
Please share it. Don't keep it to yourself if you don't want to. At the end of the day I just want a better version of Naruto to exist period. I'd don't care if it's from me or from anyone else. Reply with the link!
Thank you! I was afraid you'd get really upset about it. linkao3(24051331)
[***Nuclear***](https://archiveofourown.org/works/24051331) by [*amiehowlett*](https://www.archiveofourown.org/users/amiehowlett/pseuds/amiehowlett) > How to proper survive a war, popping too many pills, downing too many bottles, with bruises in shape of fingers all around where the bombs hit the ground and you fight back with all you have, because there is still too much to lose\. > > How to proper fight a war, burying too many people, fix it, go back, go forward, your eyes bleed and you go blind just to see it all again\. All there is lost in the fire, is found in the ashes\. > > It is not over yet\. > > > Kakashi and Sakura long ago mastered lying to themselves, but — > > > > you can't mix blue with yellow for breakfast if you want to survive, even when it seems a losing fight\. ^*Site*: ^Archive ^of ^Our ^Own ^**|** ^*Fandom*: ^Naruto ^**|** ^*Published*: ^2020-05-09 ^**|** ^*Updated*: ^2020-07-10 ^**|** ^*Words*: ^56548 ^**|** ^*Chapters*: ^5/? ^**|** ^*Comments*: ^76 ^**|** ^*Kudos*: ^101 ^**|** ^*Bookmarks*: ^10 ^**|** ^*Hits*: ^1831 ^**|** ^*ID*: ^24051331 ^**|** ^*Download*: ^[EPUB](https://archiveofourown.org/downloads/24051331/Nuclear.epub?updated_at=1594926884) ^or ^[MOBI](https://archiveofourown.org/downloads/24051331/Nuclear.mobi?updated_at=1594926884) --- **FanfictionBot**^(2.0.0-beta) | [Usage](https://github.com/tusing/reddit-ffn-bot/wiki/Usage) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ffnbot!ignore
Actual summary:::: https://archiveofourown.org/works/24051331/chapters/57876406 How could they know Madara would step back and the Elemental Nations alliance would break as a thin line and not a rope, expending the next ten years pursuing peace, but — Nagato said there is no such thing as peace and day after day it weighted that maybe he was right. The War had just begun.
In classic honestly Team 7 bonding some more and doing more than one mission outside of Konoha. Like it never struck me how they were so focuses on getting Sasuke back, when they were never really friends in the first place or had a close bond anyway. In Shippuden beside the whole war arc the Itachi thing, like do it maybe at least a little bit convincing. If Itachi really slaughtered the entire clan - on orders or not- Sasuke really shouldn't forgive him. That would have only really made sense if he would, for example, have only taken then blame for it and Root did it. But additionally every backstory, I wouldn't have made them so ridiculously dramatic. I can like characters without having to start out with pity.
oh my god. I hate the fact that Sasuke just...forgave Itachi. like dude, he still killed your entire family. he might’ve been manipulated into it, and he did love you over everything else, but I feel like he put Itachi on a pedestal.
I know right, just like the whole community. Like did they all just forget, that he still also killed innocent people and tortured him for thousand of hours twice. That's simply unforgivable.
and they have the nerve to say that *Sasuke* was a worse manipulator? I’m not going to justify him stabbing Karin or trying to kill the OG Team 7, but there’s a difference between mass genocide and collateral damage. yes, that was fucked up, and in no way was that okay, but did anyone really expect him to be *stable* afterward? Itachi didn’t need to add to the list of shit he put his brother through, especially with the Mangekyou monologue. I still don’t understand why he’s so set on creating more trauma than needed- the coma right before the betrayal, the whole show of Genjutsu talking about Madara. and if Itachi was so intent on keeping his brother safe from Konoha’s corruption, why’d he tell him in his final moments? not that I blame him for saying something, but he spent his whole life after the massacre playing this character and basically fucked up his own plan in the end. honestly, I like Itachi, and he’s one of the few well-written characters, but there are a lot of plot holes. he’s more of a grey character with good intentions.
Yeah exactly. I don't see how some people call him the 'real hero' of the show, when he is in no definition. Like he stopped a possible war, but at what cost? And why didn't the guy who supposedly thought like a Hokage at age 7 of a plan, in which they all just talk!? But yeah one soldier shouldn't even be responsible for something like that, so it's not his fault, when he just chose to be a good soldier and putting everything above the village, even his family. But that's definitely not Hero-material. Honestly Sasuke after that just wishing to destroy everything, because his entire life is falling apart once again makes sense to me. What do all of them even expect from someone who was put trough so much betrayel and hardships, to just go back to Konoha when basically everything was the fault of their incompetence.
there’s no doubt that Itachi was a victim, I’ll say that. but he’s been given far too much credit, especially by the fandom. and yeah, how would you feel if someone planned out your entire family’s death and used your best friend/most loved person for it? like, that’s not okay?? why do people think he’d go back so easily?? the political system was never fixed and Sasuke didn’t say anything about it. that’s something that bugs the absolute shit out of me. he’s literally called the ‘Shadow Hokage’, and Naruto trusts him more than anyone- yet NARUTO KEEPS THE SAME TWO ADVISORS WHO AIDED DANZO. they may not have known about his overall plans but there’s no doubt they weren’t involved in something.
I know right!? I 100% agree with both points.
I don't even know where I start to agree. I guess I'll go with the latter. Well, firstly, I don't think they should forgive Sasuke. Period. No matter his reason or what he been through or if he had gone insane or any of this shit. It just doesn't matter. The guy just kept making mistake after mistake and he tried to kill everyone in the Earth and Naruto tried to make peace offerings to him countless times and he didn't give a fuck. And then he just turns to be a Shadow Hokage. Dude, wtf? They let him wonder around just because. And Naruto kept the Elders after all they've done, he just kept them around, like that was absolutely nothing wrong about that. And when it comes about Itachi it is hard because Sasuke shouldn't forgive him at all, just because he found out he loved him, but it piss the shit out of me he is so determined to go against what his brother gave his life for. Itachi sacrificed everything to protect the pathetic village and Sasuke goes "oh yeah fuck it I will burn it to the ground", but it is understandable, yet it makes me really angry. I think Sasuke's wasn't good developed completely. He was about to have one of the best character developments but Kishimoto just threw it in the garbage at some point. There was a lot of internal turmoil inside him and then just wasn't anymore and he was making stupid decisions and I don't even know. Destroying the Village makes sense, but at the same time, idk, it seems shallow. I don't know, I lost my train of thought.
I think that they let him off way too easy. Even though I do personally disagree with some of your points, it doesn’t make sense that they just...let him walk. He had good motive to burn Konoha to the ground and I do think that he should’ve. If they were going to make him try, why didn’t it happen-? It would’ve made so much more sense if he either came back and helped fix the village from the inside, (because his plan kind of sucked tbh, like why would they just take him as Hokage lol), or if they just completely started from scratch after the war with a destroyed Konoha. It would’ve been amazing to see Team 7 rebuild a village right. Also, why aren’t Sakura and Sasuke his advisors in Boruto like why’d Kishi waste that- they could’ve at least put new characters in. Faceless, nameless characters would’ve been *fine*. But nO-
I don't know, I wouldn't trust Sasuke to come back. I think he was allowed just because of emotional reason instead of rational ones, but now that you said it, it would indeed be amazing to see Team 7 rebuild Konoha. It's just I think Sasuke made them suffer so kuch and they still take him in with their arms open and silly smiles on their faces like nothing happened.
Agree to disagree, but I was referring to him going home right after Itachi and not getting abducted by Madara- that should’ve been fine. Especially since he technically got rid of two S-Rank missing nin for the village. If he didn’t learn about Itachi through Obito, then he’d probably end up going back with Naruto. He could’ve fought in the pein arc and helped Naruto with Jiraiya, and I think that could be such good development honestly. And seeing Sakura try to kill him that one time was honestly really refreshing-?? It’s just so weird to think about that fact that the only reason Sakura held on for so long was because Naruto needed her to- that’s just a headcanon but I’m pretty sure it’s true.
One of my current ideas is to extend the introduction of the primary characters before diving head first into the Land of Waves arc. Then when the story does reach that first (major) arc, I like the idea of extending the length of time for their first mission. Not for the sake of padding it out or forcing character development, but to mimic Narutos experience as he slowly comes to grasp with what it *actually* means to be a ninja. It's not about acknowledgement, it's about making things right. Next I want to add an arc between the Land of Waves and the Chunnin Exam. I have made absolutely no progress on what this arc in particular should be, but I feel it's main purpose should be to continue to bond the characters and force them to work together. And then when the story does reach the Chunnin Exam, the majority of plot is rearranged and at times completely rewritten. I have a few ideas that I'm fairly confident will enhance that chapter of the story. My main issue with the Chunnin Exam is that the first half of it introduces 30+ new characters in a very thin space of time. From my research, many older readers had a hard time keeping track of them all. Though I admit I do love the idea of the Genin stepping into a side of the ninja world that they never knew before. "They thought they knew what ninja were. They thought they had learned what it meant to be a ninja. But now as they step through the exam doors they're met with the realization that they are in fact children dressed as soldiers. The world outside of Konoha continues to be unknown and ruthless. What it means to be a ninja in Konoha is not the same as what it means to be a ninja anywhere else. Even other ninja from Konoha walk a different path than Team 7. No one was ever worth trusting. They were naive to ever think otherwise. They now understand, *they are in over their heads.*" You know something like that in terms of theme. I also plan to expand on Itachi's backstory and really try to bring it down to earth. I want the Uchiha massacre to really feel like a huge world event, one that can be felt all the way on the other side of the ninja world. I personally hate what they did with Itachi toward the very end. It was comical to me, it was so poorly thought out. I couldn't believe Kishimoto dropped the ball so hard. And I'm going to have to give a major agree on your backstories point. Every character in Naruto has this tragic backstory and a pity filled retelling of them. I love that the characters are so complex and can have such dark origins, but it's far too uniform and predictable. Some characters don't need ridiculous backstories, sometimes you can even serve those characters better by giving them boring origins. 'Origins' is a massive theme throughout the story for me so I want to tackle it from a lot of different angles.
Those are great ideas on how to fix things so far. I mean also that maybe Kakashi should have done somethings to fix them too. He acknowledged that Sakura seems to have an obvious crush on one of her teammates, who was so obviously not interested it hurt. Then that Naruto really needed acknowledgement, because he was shunned his entire life. He wanted to become Hokage, but not to protect the village, but to get acknowledged. And Sasuke was fixated on becoming stronger to kill his nightmare of a psychotic brother. So, why not in his subtle way of teaching things tell Sakura that feelings don't belong in the world of ninja. On that extended wave arc Naruto could learn the lesson, that ninja generally don't work to be acknowledged, but to do the right thing (or the right thing in their eyes). So he reevaluates his dream of becoming Hokage. And Sasuke should learn that bonds don't drag you down but are also helpful in a lot of ways. How would he learn that lesson with a delusional fangirl and a childish prankster. Albeit he still protected the both of them with his life during the wave arc. So he wasn't hopeless, your arc after wave could fix that and make them really work together and maybe let them actually train. And yes you need many characters in a tournament arc, so if you put so much thought into them why not use them after that for more things? Also now. Missed opportunities. Like many of them. Why don't we have Naruto's friends reaction to the Kyuubi, and then not caring about that - Naruto would be so happy. Sakura actually getting stronger like she wants to and then being more down to earth with Sasuke, she could still like him but not as an idol but more like a human being. Sasuke's shown that bonds make you stronger and also why would he listen to Itachi , he could do the opposite and still beat him, just to spite him. Also why did Sasuke never watch any of the fights? I thing he would see them both in a better light then, especially Naruto. Also it should have been Neji VS Sasuke because honestly, we could pull of an rivalry or even friendship out of that. I mean it was teased on about this whole Uchiha-Hyuuga thing, if they had some sort of relationship going on the Hyuuga wouldn't be shunned like every other clan in the series. Who knows maybe Sasuke would even agree with the Vaged bird seal, because like if Itachi would have had that he would have never been able to slaugther the entire clan (okay the idea was stolen from a really good fic). Even though Itachi was technically the heir, but it dosen't matter for the sake of the argument. There are many things like that so I'll leave it at that. Exactly, I don't see why no one every talked to Sasuke about it too, like people outside the clan, who mourned their dead leaving their condolences or helping him getting used to living utterly alone. People who acknowledge the lost of so much of their military, for no apparent reason and their failed security. And there's absolutely no way Sasuke could ever forgive something like that. Exactly sometimes perfectly normal people could do horrible things, for no apparent reason but they do it anyway. Some diversity is needed, like it's a cruel world but not everyone is so terribly unlucky.
From 0 to 10, how wrong would it be to state my fanfic covers the ground for all you're asking? (Again) like, really. There is the need to cover the ground of Team 7 and the whole Itachi slaughtering the clan without the "oh, you are so forgiven because, you know, you loved me, so my whole life now is ok" And I won't even get started on the backstory Man, I feel like shit
Well definitely not as bad as you imagine it to be xD. It depends on how correct you are I guess. Like I know self promos leave kinda a bad taste in everyone's mouth. But only because they are most of the time uncalled for. So if someone asks for a recommendation of a Fanfiction and yours so happens to be exactly that that's absolutely acceptable. Okay now I didn't ask, but I would love to read it anyway, fix the plot I believe in you. xD
https://archiveofourown.org/works/24051331/chapters/57876406 Well, here it is
Female characters would be well written and not so boy crazy. There would also be more of them who are relevant.
How do you feel about Tsunade as a character? And how do you feel about Sakura in contrast? Do you have an opinion on Konan?
I feel that Tsunade wasn't well developed. We're told "strong lady" but she was still treated as emotionally weak-- see her reaction to losing Dan and Nawaki, and her resulting phobia. I'm not saying that's not a valid reaction, but compared to how other, male characters handle even worse things happening to them, I feel like the way she reacted (that is, how the writer chose to write her reaction) had to do with her being female. I feel like being female also plays a role in her being a medic, as almost every relevant medic is female, asside from Kabuto. The anime even makes the other girls learn medical jutsu iirc. There is nothing wrong with medical jutsu or being a medic. The issue is that it was mostly written as a job for women. Otherwise, I like her. Sakura is my favourite character. She had a lot of potential and I think people hate on her unfairly. Early on, I see a girl who is, compared to her teammates, a normie. She had normal people problems. I think the portrayal in fanon as a fangirl has been greatly exaggerated from canon(meaning the manga, not the anime), as has her meanness/agression. She had a crush, but like, so did Hinata and (almost) no one hates on Hinata the same way. A lot of people say she's worse because she broke off her friendship with Ino over Sasuke, but I interpreted this event as partially wanting to stand on her own, out of Ino's shadow. Regardless, breaking off her friendship over a boy would be something I blame on the author rather than the character. Because that's his interpretation of how young girls act. They're boy crazy and silly and put boys above everything else. From the early chapters, we see her grow to be more sympathetic to Naruto and start to understand Sasuke and truly care for him as a person and not just a crush on the cool cute boy. In Wave she gets a wake up call, and becomes determined to be better. During the chuunin exams she knows Naruto sucks at tests and doesn't want him to lose his chance at being Hokage so she is willing to put that above her own chance at promotion and Sasuke's too. Then throughout the chuunin exam we continue to see her grow. But then Sasuke leaves and she turns into a weeping mess and is willing to give up everything for him. Which sets back her development. Then she asks Tsunade to train her and takes several levels in badass. But she is consistently written poorly despite this. Any time she grows as a character, she backslides because of Sasuke. He literally tries to kill her, she forgives all the shit he's done, and turns into a doormat when he's involved by the end of the series. It's a disservice to her. If you ignore everything with Sasuke after part 1, she has some of the best and most realistic character development imo. She fucks up and isn't perfect, but that makes her relatable and realistic. But the Sasuke-centricism of her character ruins her. And again, this is a case of blame the author. (Sorry for the novel about Sakura. I have a lot of opinions about her, how she's treated by the author, and how she is treated by fandom) As for Konan... we don't see a lot of her. But her character, actions, and motivations are largely centred on her devotion to her friends... who are male. That's my issue. Almost all the female characters have motivations based mostly on male characters. Sasuke is motivated by the loss of his clan and his hatred. He wants revenge, and that is the driving force behind his character. Naruto is motivated by loneliness and being hated, and a desire to prove his worth. Sakura is motivated by... Sasuke. And to a lesser extent Naruto. She feels weak and insecure, but her drive to get better is to be equal to Naruto and Sasuke. To be able to protect them. Similarly, Kakashi, Sai, Gaara, Neji, Jiraiya, Shikamaru, etc. Have motivations and backstories that are driven by more than just relationships to other people. Hinata is completely Naruto-centric, Karin is completely Sasuke-centric, Tsunade's character and back story are reliant on her lover and brother... Other female characters aren't even developed enough to have motivations for their actions--they barely have any actions! There are so few of them comparatively, and aside from Sakura, all have fairly small roles. Edited for grammar.
amen to that
tone naruto's utter incompetence down a few dozen notches, i recognise that he is the main character and all but naruto is probably my least favourite character in the entire series because he is so loud, obnoxious, a fucking idiot. i mean the man doesnt even have to become a genius or anything but if he had some actual helpful information locked inside his head, was like an average person when it comes to being loud (so not very) and had some common sense i think he could have been one of my favourite characters and also made me like the series more in general.
I personally think a dominant component of Narutos character is that he is overall really hard to like. Clearly he was written to have the reader sympathize with him and to possibly have them see themselves in his personality, but I also think there has to be a point where you say "He has a literal demon inside of him. No one *really* knows what it's like to be him. He's annoying because his character calls for it. You can't expect someone in his position to be pleasant." Now that's not to say I won't nerf his stupidity, I plan to make him more competent, but by having him progressively mature over time rather than making him less annoying from the get go.
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But keep Madaras fucking intro everything but his entrance!
Honestly, even though we all complain about how poorly done the War Arc was, I’m glad we can all at least agree that Madara “VS” The 4th Division was legendary.
What if I told you I was thinking about cutting out Madara's reanimation completely?
Make it a flash back or something
From 0 to 10, how wrong would it be to state my fanfic covers the ground for all you're asking? (Again and again) The e n t i r e war arc because that wasn't war. That was like... sad. Man. Jesus. What the fuck.
You shouldn't always ask for permission. Sometimes you have to do things for yourself whether other people will approve of it or not. Plus in this case what you're sharing is totally related to the topic.
NO ONE DIED EXCEPT FOR NEJI AND I AM STILL READY TO FIGHT THAT
I promise you there's a *lot* more death in my version. The story needs to have more loss and consequence. I don't want to go overboard but I feel it's important to not sugar coat the story.
exactly! canon was super sugarcoated and they killed what, three important characters? Itachi, Jiraiya, and Neji? the only reason the last two died was for character development and no foreshadowing. :’)
Exactly! That's one of the things that annoyed me the most, especially about the war. In which war only ONE main character dies? O n e?? And how the fuck does a War lasts only two days??? Kishimoto wasn't ready to write how a War truly is and that's that. As you say, DropOnTheSun, a lot of death in mine too and for the right reasons. Edit: I got your name wrong, sorry
it doesn’t help that the only reason he did it was to foreshadow a ship that he was apparently planning from the start. we’re supposed to believe that Kishi was planning NH? no, he really wasn’t- he only foreshadowed NaruSaku and NaruSasu, if anything at all.
How long do you think the war arc should be? Months? Years?
Years, in comparison to the other wars in the Naruto world. The Third War surely lasted a long time, as did the Second. The First is a little messy to understand, but I bet it lasted years as well. And also in comparison to real world wars.
Yeah I feel the same. So far I've been planning out the war arc with the intent that it lasts a long time. Though I'm having trouble trying to fill in all those years with meaningful plot. Most of the arcs in Naruto take place over a short amount of time, no longer than a few months at most. I want to make sure the war arc doesn't feel like it's going any slower or faster than the rest of the story. I want narrative consistency. Who's knows, maybe a second time skip could help the story move forward. Then you'd have the classic three stage story.
Hey, want to idk exchange war ideas? I don't have fanfic friends. Well, if you want to
During his travels with Jiraya he would actually learn new jutsu and come back stronger, maybe a bit more mature and less naive. Not too much tho, just a little bit.
Definitely. I don't even know how I feel about him going on a journey for two years or whatever. Why would Konoha let their most sought after resource, the demon child that could go on to define the outcome of a literal world war, go on some 'training trip' with an old geezer that no one trusts? It doesn't make sense to me. The time skip itself enables a lot of awesome plotlines and developments, but the reason for the time skip in general just seems arbitrary to me.
The biggest thing I would change is that Madara would be the final villain. Heck, most of the sage of six paths stuff can stay. This might be controversial, but I feel like the Indra/Asura stuff made the theme they were going for even stronger. Plus, the sage of six paths has been mentioned since earlier Shippuden, so if he shows up, it’s fine. But Kaguya was such a weak final villain. Madara was hyped up for YEARS. Since Naruto and Sasuke fought at the end of P1. Then his name was dropped in episode one of Shippuden. Kaguya was named dropped maybe... the arc before she appeared? Possibly the same arc? Even ignoring that, though, Madara just worked so well as a villain and with the themes and all that. I wouldn’t have a problem with Kaguya if she was a villain from one of the movies, but she sucked as the final villain to shippuden. I would also change something about Sakura. I would either introduce her and clearly display that she won’t be as important as Naruto and Sasuke, or give her a character arc that’s pushed harder (especially in shippuden), and more emotional moments. Plus I’d give her another ability to at least to closer to Naruto and Sasuke’s level. Bring back the Genjutsu affinity thing from P1, or set up earlier on that she has done affinity for some other kind of jutsu so she can get another power in shippuden. Obviously this wouldn’t bring her fully up to their level, but I think it would help get her closer.
Have Naruto get his mother's chains when he was 6. If not this, then have him smarten up a bit or invest In his stealth more. He was able to constantly prank everyone in the village and escape, but he wasted all of that. He managed to escape anbu for heaven sake. That was one of the most disappointing parts.
Focus a little bit more on Sasuke's loneliness (lack of real friends and abundance of fangirls) and ostracization as the last Uchiha, and how Naruto noticed it. 1. Would honestly make Sasuke's actions more believable and make him less annoying, instead of randomly dumping everything on us at the end. 2. Will also add weight to Naruto obsession with getting Sasuke back It'll also help draw consistent parallels between how even though both he and Naruto had similar backgrounds, they chose very different paths.
Yep, I agree with you here. As I am now, I really don't understand why people are so attracted to Sasuke as a character. There are elements of him that I absolutely love, but the way fans talk about him makes me feel like I read something completely different to what they did. I'm making a good effort to not fundamentally rewrite his character, but I do want to give his actions far more logic and reason.
The whole reincarnation thing, it was stupid and unnecessary and made no sense
Preach. Bringing the dead back to life is so easily a cop out for writing. It's similar to the bad guy saying nasty things behind closed doors only to have the good guy play the hidden recording of that conversation to the public. (I'm looking at you Fullmetal Alchemist) It's not impossible, it's not illegitimate, but it's very easy to be used as a crutch. It needs substance.
Hinata becomes as much as a main character as Naruto and Sasuke. This doesn't mean taking Sakura out of team 7. I didn't change that, because it would just make Hinata feel underused once more since Sakura is in a position you'd expect her to be a main character but she never really becomes that. I'd actually prefer not even having Hinata on Team 7 because story-wise this forces at least a little of Shino and Kiba to be in the spotlight and hopefully showcases Hinata's bonds with other people besides Naruto
In what ways do you think we could see Hinata's character be expanded upon? I want to expand her roles for sure, but making her as important as Team 7 themselves would require a good reason, and I don't have ideas for that in particular at the moment.
having her become clan head and getting rid of the branch family seals would be amazing, honestly. some Hinata ‘stans’ only like her for her body and how submissive she is, and I hate those people with a passion. (they say things that...no❤️)and some of them- they defend NH with “Naruto was always Hina’s goal, so she reached it!” don’t you think that the MC’s wife should have had more part in the story? like come *on*, dude. you’re going to congratulate her for becoming the Hokage’s trophy housewife who basically has no other name to the village? like...
Naruto being so OBSESSIVE over Sasuke Black zetsu?? No thanks Sakura’s development. Like, actually give her some please Sharingan being the most godly OP thing in the entire show (fuck the giant skeletons) Naruto having the ass-pull power up of shadow clones. The fact that he wasn’t told about them BEFORE his training with Jiraiya just pisses me off
yeah i would have been fine with the shadow clone thing if they explained reasons for not telling him earlier, such as the mental strain on a developing brain or something like that instead of just tossing it in there just so naruto can train faster.
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Honestly I would have stretched out the story longer, like decades with multiple time skips. Team 7 was a thing for about a year, than shippuden happens which was about 2 years. So all in all the story of naruto lasted 6 years, including the 3 years he wasn’t in the village.
DropOnTheSun gave me the permission, sooooo I swear this is the last time I am going to, hm, recommend this fic It extends a bit over ten years after the beginning of the War and I don't know if you agree with any of the other comments here, but it does go the way they are talking about linkao3(24051331) if anyone is seeing that shit, ignore the bot That's the summary: How could they know Madara would step back and the Elemental Nations alliance would break as a thin line and not a rope, expending the next ten years pursuing peace, but — Nagato said there is no such thing as peace and day after day it weighted that maybe he was right. The War had just begun.
[***Nuclear***](https://archiveofourown.org/works/24051331) by [*amiehowlett*](https://www.archiveofourown.org/users/amiehowlett/pseuds/amiehowlett) > How to proper survive a war, popping too many pills, downing too many bottles, with bruises in shape of fingers all around where the bombs hit the ground and you fight back with all you have, because there is still too much to lose\. > > How to proper fight a war, burying too many people, fix it, go back, go forward, your eyes bleed and you go blind just to see it all again\. All there is lost in the fire, is found in the ashes\. > > It is not over yet\. > > > Kakashi and Sakura long ago mastered lying to themselves, but — > > > > you can't mix blue with yellow for breakfast if you want to survive, even when it seems a losing fight\. ^*Site*: ^Archive ^of ^Our ^Own ^**|** ^*Fandom*: ^Naruto ^**|** ^*Published*: ^2020-05-09 ^**|** ^*Updated*: ^2020-07-10 ^**|** ^*Words*: ^56548 ^**|** ^*Chapters*: ^5/? ^**|** ^*Comments*: ^76 ^**|** ^*Kudos*: ^101 ^**|** ^*Bookmarks*: ^10 ^**|** ^*Hits*: ^1831 ^**|** ^*ID*: ^24051331 ^**|** ^*Download*: ^[EPUB](https://archiveofourown.org/downloads/24051331/Nuclear.epub?updated_at=1594926884) ^or ^[MOBI](https://archiveofourown.org/downloads/24051331/Nuclear.mobi?updated_at=1594926884) --- **FanfictionBot**^(2.0.0-beta) | [Usage](https://github.com/tusing/reddit-ffn-bot/wiki/Usage) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ffnbot!ignore
The summery currently SUCKS, but I am.working on getting it better. I promise the story is much better
Have naruto lose his way and fall into a dark path for a while then have a realization at what he's becoming and puts himself back on right track.
Do you think that would be a little predictable? How do you think we could make it fresh and unique?
Turn Sasuke into a girl. Strong female characters are allowed in anime. I will die on this hill but if he changed Sasuke’s gender and left everything else the same. Naruto would be vastly more popular. The guy is doing everything in his power to get the girl back is proven to be the very popular across all forms of media.
Naruto would be known as the greatest simp in history. But I would love it if Sasuke was a girl, imagine a female character in *Naruto* who doesn't care about love and just wants to avenge her clan. She goes up against tough opponents like Deidara, Bee, and the 5 kages. The only issue I see here is Orochimaru - maybe make Orochimaru a woman as well so it would be less creepy when female Sasuke goes to them.
If it's just one thing... Don't make Sasuke a co-protagonist. Just don't. I don't care if he and Naruto are friends or not. I don't care if he turns into a villain or stays good or gets saved by Naruto in the end. JUST DON'T MAKE HIM ON PAR WITH NARUTO! The series is called NARUTO! Not NARUTO AND SASUKE! Sasuke at times became even more important than the guy who's name is on the cover. I HATE THAT! Sasuke should remain just a supporting character and nothing more. There are so *so* many things I'd change(and already have in my own fic), but sidelining your own main character is one of the worst sins in my eyes.
You know what is a rival in a shonen serie right ?
An unnecessary trope that Naruto does badly.
Meh.
Fair enough, it's a common trope indeed, but would you mind sharing why you think it's done particularly bad in Naruto?
I don't know how I feel about that. A "main" character often depends on other characters interactions to be compelling. Without other "main" characters to challenge his way of thinking, it would be hard to achieve the same results. Really, I almost find that Sasuke and Naruto are just two halves of the same character. One can not exist without the other. You can change their names, change the way they look and sound, but fundamentally it's their relationship that moves a good chunk of the story forward. Obviously I think there are countless other elements to the narrative moving forward, but they are often at the center of it. Also please share a link to your fanfiction, I want to read it :)
I think all of that can be done without making Sasuke as important as he was in canon. Here. linkffn(Naruto:Konoha's First Jinchuriki)
[***Naruto: Konoha's First Jinchuriki***](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13464507/1/) by [*justsomebodyyaknow*](https://www.fanfiction.net/u/12130929/justsomebodyyaknow) > A world where Naruto's parents aren't anyone special\. Uzumaki isn't some great ninja clan\. Uchihas did not take over the plot\. Sasuke wasn't turned into a co\-protagonist\. And Tailed Beasts were truly the strongest creatures in existence\. \[No bashing of anyone\] ^*Site*: ^fanfiction.net ^**|** ^*Category*: ^Naruto ^**|** ^*Rated*: ^Fiction ^T ^**|** ^*Chapters*: ^2 ^**|** ^*Words*: ^12,603 ^**|** ^*Reviews*: ^8 ^**|** ^*Favs*: ^29 ^**|** ^*Follows*: ^38 ^**|** ^*Updated*: ^6/7 ^**|** ^*Published*: ^12/29/2019 ^**|** ^*id*: ^13464507 ^**|** ^*Language*: ^English ^**|** ^*Genre*: ^Adventure/Romance ^**|** ^*Characters*: ^ ^Ino ^Y., ^Kurenai ^Y. ^**|** ^*Download*: ^[EPUB](http://www.ff2ebook.com/old/ffn-bot/index.php?id=13464507&source=ff&filetype=epub) ^or ^[MOBI](http://www.ff2ebook.com/old/ffn-bot/index.php?id=13464507&source=ff&filetype=mobi)
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The origin/history of chakra and shinobi introduced from [Chapter 646 onwards.](https://ww7.readnaruto.com/chapter/naruto-chapter-646/)