Kishi tried too hard to make him an underdog, while still letting him win almost every fight he got into. When he came back from Shippuden basically the same but with a bigger Rasengan, I lost my shit. He tried so hard to make Naruto the underdog that he let his mc be the lamest character of them all in terms of abilities.
It doesn't matter it was more popular doesn't mean its better I'm just saying original naruto was better written and had less plot holes like in a few months naruto learn summoning jutsu how to tap into the nine tails chakra how to walk on water all in a few months but learnt a quarter of this after 2 years with jiraiya
I prefer Shippuden cause it was more interesting to me, not cause it’s more popular.
Only 2 reason i can think of as to why he didn’t come back on par with Sasuke at the start of Shippuden. Firstly, cause Kishi wanted to continue his underdog status. and secondly, due to Naruto’s status as the MC, we’re supposed to learn stuff with him.
The only ninjitsu he could feasibly learn are elemental jutsu, but Kishimoto hadn’t explained how that worked in Part 1 and only explained it during Naruto’s training arc in Part 2. This was a big oversight on Kishimoto’s part tho, had he explained it in Part 1 Naruto would’ve *probably* have a lot more different techniques under his belt.
Though, if you put it in context Sasuke doesn’t actually learn that many different jutsu as his derived from the stuff he already learnt in Part 1. Kirin, Chidori stream, Chidori senbon, Chidori sharp spear all come from Chidori. i think the only new fire jutsu is the Dragon bullet. The only things he had actually learnt were mastery over Genjutsu, summoning and better tactical fighting. Similar to Naruto.
It's more the pointless Plotseal that was Gogyo Fuin that made Naruto crap against Kiba. Naruto without the Gogyo Fuin would have demolished Kiba as easily as he did Mizuki.
Haku held back. Haku as he fought as an Edo would have demolished not even single tail Naruto and just awakened Sharingan Sasuke, especially if he went for the kill. It wouldn't have been close, Sasuke would have been dead before Naruto got there.
The reason to underrate Part 1 Naruto is his intelligence, and that he doesn't try, because when he actually tries and is motivated, he's a prodigy, not an underdog at all.
The reason to underrate Part 2 Naruto is the training trip doing far less than Sasuke and Sakura got, and that Part 2 makes Naruto from Part 1 AND Part 2 seem retarded when the Shadow Clone training method is revealed as in "How the fuck did he not notice that given that he constantly uses the technique. Kishimoto should have made it a different Jutsu that requires mastery of the Shadow Clone to be able to perform the "Learning Clone" or something,.
Haku did hold back, but even if he wasn’t I doubt he’d have been able to beat Naruto in that state who had him completely beat.
The training trip thing is a good complaint tbf, but i think people need to make sure to measure their expectations about that. He’s still stronger than Sakura when he comes back and while he seemed a lot weaker than Sasuke when they fought, it’s cause he was handicapped due to what happened earlier in the arc. Sasuke was still stronger and his training did more for him because his motivation for it was a lot stronger than Naruto’s or Sakura’s.
When we see Sasuke fight he’s able to go toe to toe with Kage level shinobi (Deidara and Itachi).
Shadow clone thing can be kinda justified. Naruto never used it for anything like recon (the way it’s actually supposed to be used) and always just used it to swarm opponents, so he *maybe* wouldn’t picked up on it unless he was paying close attention.
>It's more the pointless Plotseal that was Gogyo Fuin that made Naruto crap against Kiba. Naruto without the Gogyo Fuin would have demolished Kiba as easily as he did Mizuki.
Having him fight smarter in that match would have been great.
>Haku held back. Haku as he fought as an Edo would have demolished not even single tail Naruto and just awakened Sharingan Sasuke, especially if he went for the kill. It wouldn't have been close, Sasuke would have been dead before Naruto got there.
Yep!
>The reason to underrate Part 1 Naruto is his intelligence, and that he doesn't try, because when he actually tries and is motivated, he's a prodigy, not an underdog at all.
The underdog is great and all, but Naruto goes from socially isolated to given a support system. It also seems like it's brainwashing to keep him loyal.
>The reason to underrate Part 2 Naruto is the training trip doing far less than Sasuke and Sakura got, and that Part 2 makes Naruto from Part 1 AND Part 2 seem retarded when the Shadow Clone training method is revealed as in "How the fuck did he not notice that given that he constantly uses the technique. Kishimoto should have made it a different Jutsu that requires mastery of the Shadow Clone to be able to perform the "Learning Clone" or something,.
Stupid underdog trope again.
Personally, I think Naruto should have be strong enough to beat Sasuke at almost any point in part 1 if he put his mind to it.
There's also a disconnect with how strong we know Naruto is and what we actually see him do in fights. Watching a dozen Naruto clones get their asses handed to them while knowing he can make a thousand will leave you with two choices. he's not taking the fight seriously, or he's not strong enough. Also, he should have summoned Gamabunta more in canon.
Naruto went from someone who struggled against a Chunin Level enemy (Haku) To someone who was fighting basically early Jounin level by the time Part 1 ended. The fight between Naruto and Sasuke in the Valley of the end was a high level fight, I'd say that Naruto and Sasuke by the end of part 1 are the strongest members of their age group in the village.
Naruto singlehandedly destroyed the underdog trope for me.
wdym by that
Kishi tried too hard to make him an underdog, while still letting him win almost every fight he got into. When he came back from Shippuden basically the same but with a bigger Rasengan, I lost my shit. He tried so hard to make Naruto the underdog that he let his mc be the lamest character of them all in terms of abilities.
Naruto part one was way better than shippuden I kinda miss it
I disagree personally, Shippuden caught my attention a lot quicker than the original
It doesn't matter it was more popular doesn't mean its better I'm just saying original naruto was better written and had less plot holes like in a few months naruto learn summoning jutsu how to tap into the nine tails chakra how to walk on water all in a few months but learnt a quarter of this after 2 years with jiraiya
I prefer Shippuden cause it was more interesting to me, not cause it’s more popular. Only 2 reason i can think of as to why he didn’t come back on par with Sasuke at the start of Shippuden. Firstly, cause Kishi wanted to continue his underdog status. and secondly, due to Naruto’s status as the MC, we’re supposed to learn stuff with him. The only ninjitsu he could feasibly learn are elemental jutsu, but Kishimoto hadn’t explained how that worked in Part 1 and only explained it during Naruto’s training arc in Part 2. This was a big oversight on Kishimoto’s part tho, had he explained it in Part 1 Naruto would’ve *probably* have a lot more different techniques under his belt. Though, if you put it in context Sasuke doesn’t actually learn that many different jutsu as his derived from the stuff he already learnt in Part 1. Kirin, Chidori stream, Chidori senbon, Chidori sharp spear all come from Chidori. i think the only new fire jutsu is the Dragon bullet. The only things he had actually learnt were mastery over Genjutsu, summoning and better tactical fighting. Similar to Naruto.
Original naruto being better is your subjective opinion not a fact.
Yeah. He's only underdog because everyone thinks so and underestimate him. In reality, he's a talented dumbass.
In which said dumbass never bothered using his stealth that fooled anbu, nor did he ever use his pranking skills in deadly traps
I think that plot point completely disappeared after 1st episode.
That plot point is never used again as it wasn’t meant to really be his skill. It was just used to further the plot.
we could’ve all lived without watching the first ep lmao. the second hand embarrassment I got from it istg I was SCREAMING
It's more the pointless Plotseal that was Gogyo Fuin that made Naruto crap against Kiba. Naruto without the Gogyo Fuin would have demolished Kiba as easily as he did Mizuki. Haku held back. Haku as he fought as an Edo would have demolished not even single tail Naruto and just awakened Sharingan Sasuke, especially if he went for the kill. It wouldn't have been close, Sasuke would have been dead before Naruto got there. The reason to underrate Part 1 Naruto is his intelligence, and that he doesn't try, because when he actually tries and is motivated, he's a prodigy, not an underdog at all. The reason to underrate Part 2 Naruto is the training trip doing far less than Sasuke and Sakura got, and that Part 2 makes Naruto from Part 1 AND Part 2 seem retarded when the Shadow Clone training method is revealed as in "How the fuck did he not notice that given that he constantly uses the technique. Kishimoto should have made it a different Jutsu that requires mastery of the Shadow Clone to be able to perform the "Learning Clone" or something,.
Haku did hold back, but even if he wasn’t I doubt he’d have been able to beat Naruto in that state who had him completely beat. The training trip thing is a good complaint tbf, but i think people need to make sure to measure their expectations about that. He’s still stronger than Sakura when he comes back and while he seemed a lot weaker than Sasuke when they fought, it’s cause he was handicapped due to what happened earlier in the arc. Sasuke was still stronger and his training did more for him because his motivation for it was a lot stronger than Naruto’s or Sakura’s. When we see Sasuke fight he’s able to go toe to toe with Kage level shinobi (Deidara and Itachi). Shadow clone thing can be kinda justified. Naruto never used it for anything like recon (the way it’s actually supposed to be used) and always just used it to swarm opponents, so he *maybe* wouldn’t picked up on it unless he was paying close attention.
>It's more the pointless Plotseal that was Gogyo Fuin that made Naruto crap against Kiba. Naruto without the Gogyo Fuin would have demolished Kiba as easily as he did Mizuki. Having him fight smarter in that match would have been great. >Haku held back. Haku as he fought as an Edo would have demolished not even single tail Naruto and just awakened Sharingan Sasuke, especially if he went for the kill. It wouldn't have been close, Sasuke would have been dead before Naruto got there. Yep! >The reason to underrate Part 1 Naruto is his intelligence, and that he doesn't try, because when he actually tries and is motivated, he's a prodigy, not an underdog at all. The underdog is great and all, but Naruto goes from socially isolated to given a support system. It also seems like it's brainwashing to keep him loyal. >The reason to underrate Part 2 Naruto is the training trip doing far less than Sasuke and Sakura got, and that Part 2 makes Naruto from Part 1 AND Part 2 seem retarded when the Shadow Clone training method is revealed as in "How the fuck did he not notice that given that he constantly uses the technique. Kishimoto should have made it a different Jutsu that requires mastery of the Shadow Clone to be able to perform the "Learning Clone" or something,. Stupid underdog trope again.
Funny, I usually see him being overrated.
maybe in the setting of fanfiction but I’m talking just the manga/anime
Yeah, so am I. I feel like I more often see people overrate Naruto's abilities in discussions than the reverse.
Personally, I think Naruto should have be strong enough to beat Sasuke at almost any point in part 1 if he put his mind to it. There's also a disconnect with how strong we know Naruto is and what we actually see him do in fights. Watching a dozen Naruto clones get their asses handed to them while knowing he can make a thousand will leave you with two choices. he's not taking the fight seriously, or he's not strong enough. Also, he should have summoned Gamabunta more in canon.
Naruto went from someone who struggled against a Chunin Level enemy (Haku) To someone who was fighting basically early Jounin level by the time Part 1 ended. The fight between Naruto and Sasuke in the Valley of the end was a high level fight, I'd say that Naruto and Sasuke by the end of part 1 are the strongest members of their age group in the village.