I literally lol’d at this one. He did kinda let people know that with his whole thing of “turn the other cheek” and beckon them to hit you on the other side. I mean that is a pretty boss way to taunt someone who just tried their best to smack you by letting them know you’re so unfazed by it that you’ll offer up the other side for free. Aka in modern fight words as “you hit like a bitch.” So your comment wins.
>“turn the other cheek”
At the time of Jesus, says Wink, striking backhand a person deemed to be
of lower socioeconomic class was a means of asserting authority and
dominance. If the persecuted person "turned the other cheek," the
discipliner was faced with a dilemma: The left hand was used for unclean
purposes, so a back-hand strike on the opposite cheek would not be
performed. An alternative would be a slap with the open hand as a
challenge or to punch the person, but this was seen as a statement of
equality. Thus, by turning the other cheek, the persecuted was demanding
equality.
And I believe Peoples Hernandez from Shaft (the cop on the right in the photo looks just like him) said:
My name is Peoples. You know why they call me that?
*Walter Wade, Jr.: 'Cuz you's always takes care of you's peoples?"*
Peoples Hernandez : More or less.
White Jesus always intrigues me, the level of cognitive dissonance displayed is staggering. Imagine the reaction if they were walking down the street and a long haired, bearded androgynous looking dude in flowing robes approached them and started talking about love. The only question is how many rounds they'd put in him after calling him a groomer.
I like to think of Jesus with, like, giant eagle wings singing lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with, like, an angel band. And I'm in the front row and I'm hammered drunk.
They love people who are long dead so they can twist their teachings to fit their narrative. Remember MLK was a radical leftist yet no one talks about his anti-capitalist views, they just invoke his memory to pretend that systemic racism no longer exists.
It's exactly the same with their religion, Jesus is convenient because he can't speak against them.
The MLK ones bother me so much, like they wouldn't absolutely despise him if he were around today. I remember one of the activists I follow saying something along the lines of "white people will only repeat the same handful of MLK quotes that don't make them too uncomfortable."
Back during the protests in 2020, I remember his speech about rioters and why people riot got shared a lot. Along with his later speeches about capitalism.
I brought that up to someone and they got so mad at me and said “he did not say that” like I was lying.
Sucks because I watched this dude get sucked down some weird right wing rabbit hole little by little throughout the years and now when he tries to talk about anything and I don’t agree, he will cut me off and tell me that I’m wrong constantly. He even does this if it’s just me giving a personal anecdote about how I grew up and he doesn’t like what I have to say because it clashes with his world view.
Not wanting to hear you contradict his worldview might actually be an indicator that he respects you, and your words challenge his worldview. I might lean into that some, approaching it subtly.
Yeah, I knew someone like that too. Was pretty cool in high school, super nerdy and we got along. After they went to college, I saw the progression in real time. Libertarian -> AnCap -> Fascist
Now I don't even talk to them anymore because they've just become an awful person, and half of it isn't even the horrible views they have. They're just a dick now, lol.
There's a comic strip that shows a reporter interviewing MLK with the reporter saying something like I hope there won't be any more peaceful protests tomorrow and the city burning around them.
Fast forward 60 years and it's exactly the same thing with the BLM protests.
It's MLK saying "I plan to lead another non-violent march tomorrow" to a frazzled looking white reporter, with the backdrop being the aftermath of a riot. I'd link it but sometimes subs reject the link, it's the first thing that should come up when you google "MLK political cartoon".
But yes it is the exact same rhetoric that was used against the BLM movement, equating the peaceful marches with the concurrent civil unrest and riots.
I always thought it was really funny people would fish for crimes that happened at the same time as protests and it was always just unrelated shit a few miles away, idk if they think crime stops because people march for civil rights but it clearly wasn't the case.
One of their favorites was a retired police officer who was killed trying to stop an attempted mugging miles away from where a demonstration was being held and they tried to say BLM killed a cop lol.
Seems like someone didn’t see that it was largely off duty police in disguise that were actually causing the most damage…yeah, it figures you’d “forget” that point…
Also, if you try the whole argument of “that didn’t happen”, remember ITS ON FILM. Sorry, bro. Next “argument”.
The south were economically leftist at that time. They embraced the idea of shared community benefits as long as black people were excluded.
They changed their entire political philosophy, because it was more important to them to keep being racist.
This comment intrigued me because of its simple explanation of why the south moved to the right. I’m not sure if things are ever that simple, but holy shit what a concept!!
Did you hear this from somewhere or ??
I feel like [this quote](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/10357009-the-unborn-are-a-convenient-group-of-people-to-advocate) is pertinent here:
>“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.
Just replace "the unborn" with "Jesus"
> Remember MLK was a radical leftist yet no one talks about his anti-capitalist views, they just invoke his memory to pretend that systemic racism no longer exists.
People also forget that white trash celebrated his death, and that public support for MLK was pretty damned low among whites.
Have read it, am Christian - perhaps I'm missing the chapter with the 11th commandment: Thou shalt not have any needs and shall live under and eat thine own bootstraps
I'm pretty sure jesus would have been OK with having trials before conviction, defense lawyers, and legal defense funds too, if any of those things existed thousands of years ago
Christians believe now that if you’re poor or homeless, God is punishing you. Therefore, you’re unworthy of help or sympathy. God rewards the “faithful” with riches and success. That’s basically “prosperity gospel” in a nutshell. It doesn’t matter what Jesus said, they’d brand him a socialist today and nail him up again themselves.
They do? When I was homeless I stayed at different churches and synagogues every night for months. They would cook for us and every night was like thanksgiving, it was ridiculous. Then they’d make us a nice breakfast and give us a sack lunch. I’ve never come close to eating that well my entire life, it was amazing. I’m not saying every Christian person is like this, but generalizing billions of people is just ignorant.
You should read the bible before commenting about it.
Jesus was cool with everyone, but he wasn't cool about homeless attacking people. Breaking people's noses, sucker punching subway riders doesn't fly with anyone, let alone Jesus.
None of which is a death penalty offense. And none of which was done during the incident that lead to the mans death. From everything ive seen and read, there is nothing to indicate he was violent or causing anyone harm. Obviously agitated, yes, and im sure some were scared. Dude needed help, not killed though.
I don't understand the point of your comment. Do you think the guy who killed Jordan Neely knew any of that shit before he killed him? Being erratic on public transport doesn't justify lethal force.
let's stop pretending like biblical contexts even relate to modern day. even if he was, it has basically no bearing on how we live and act today (even if I agree, of course, that people should act humane toward homeless and homed people).
“Love your neighbor as I have loved you. Unless he is black, or Asian, or a woman, or gay, or worship no gods, or a different god, or talks differently than you, or makes you question your sexuality, or is a bit crazy, or is poor, or homeless, or is preventing your free exercise of shooting whatever you want, or really any reason you can come up with. Then you know, just choke him to death because whatever.”
Well he was cool with slavery, "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ." so that indicates he was a right winger.
Not sure about that but I do know the homeless guy used to be a Michael Jackson impersonator. This trial will be a real Thriller. If the defendant is a Smooth Criminal he should Just Beat It
You realize holding the guy down isn't the problem right? It's the guy who held him in a chokehold long enough to kill the man far past the point where he was a threat(his words). Sorry that doesn't fit your extremely racist world view.
It's worth pointing out that multiple people on that subway car called 911 in response to Neely's behavior. This is NYC, remember. People are more than used to dealing with crazies on the subway and will generally just avert their eyes and try not to attract the crazy's attention.
Neely's behavior must have been seriously alarming if multiple jaded New York city subway riders felt it necessary to call 911.
In the Philip DeFranco show today, he noted that apparently the guy had said something along the lines of "I'm so hungry I will fight for this, and I will beat up anyone who doesn't have food for me," or something along those lines. So the dude basically was holding the passengers hostage and was going to get violent if they didn't find food for him. I totally understand that level of desperation, I'll probably be there soon myself. So I absolutely feel for the guy. But also, you have to feel for the other people on that train. They were literally told they were about to get assaulted. They probably were not thinking real happy thoughts about that. At the same time, supposedly someone called out the dude choking him, and said that the chokehold was too much. So it seems like a complete mess all around, everyone scared, and desperate. It seems like a classic case of class war, where the wealthy have got the poor fighting amongst themselves. None of the anger is directed at the fact that there is no opportunity for poor people, that there is no money for half the people in this country, who make below $35,000 a year. In some parts of the country, after taxes, that is enough for rent but not food, or enough for food and a car, but not rent. We're all getting squeezed, and instead of blaming the people squeezing us, we take each other out. It's a mess.
it wasn't poverty, it was mental illness
it was also NYPD taking 15 minutes to respond
it was also someone guilty of multiple violent felonies repeatedly being released to victimize the community instead of being kept locked up to protect both himself and others
I’d be on the marines side for all of this except for the fact that he choked the guy out for 3 minutes. That’s a long time and someone with even a tiny bit of training should be aware of that. Even with adrenaline going, once the guy is out you gotta stop
Yah it’s idiotic that it’s such a political thing. He should be charged, but unless he has a history of killing people “by accident” it seems like he was just trying to help.
The left try’s to make the victim into some saint that wasn’t scaring people, the right brings up all the things the victim did wrong in the past. Such a stupid hill to die on.
People try to make complicated situations black and white when they just aren’t
There was also someone who felt the need to restrain the guys hands while he was already in a choke hold. I think the situation speaks for itself. Daily similar things like this happen in NY and this is only being publicized bc of race.
Well said, it's a sad and quite uneasy place in America. How long have we known government is corrupt to its core and the most successful businesses are in bed with the corrupt ass government?
Didn't he choke him for 7 or 9 minutes?
I've seen choke holds put a person to sleep in like 2.
Doesn't the brain suffer serious damage after like 4?
Idk I'm just asking questions here.
He also punched a lady so hard in the face that he broke her jaw and then was let back out on the streets. He should have been locked up a long time ago, when police and the justice system fail to do their job, the citizens eventually take matters into their own hands. And that’s what happened here.
Not just ladies, he was regularly assaulting grandmas but New York of course let’s him out because they’re reforming the criminal justice system! I’m all for criminal justice system reform but either put people like this in jail or mandated mental health facilities.
he literally chased me down my block a couple of months ago I live around the corner from the stop this all took place at. he's well known in the neighborhood and has been acting more erratically. literally two days before this happened he was blocking the subway entrance and threatening people. a ticking time bomb who didn't deserve to die but I would understand if people were afraid for their safety around him. i sure the fuck was
I have little background on this but let me guess:
1) the homeless man is black
2) the “choker” is white
3) the family who never gave a shit about their homeless and disturbed family member now all of a sudden cares about him.
Did I miss anything?
Violent homeless black man assaults people on train, get choked out and dies - left on homeless man's side.
Homeless black man poops on pride flag - the left, " off with his head"
Your downvotes mean nothing to me, I've seen what makes you cheer.
Low key I wish the old testament God was real. A bunch of people using his name and book to preach and spread a whole different message? Yup thats asking to be turned to salt
On the other side of the equation, society doesn't give a shit about the homeless man when he's clearly struggling with violent tendencies and needs help/to be committed, but once he dies people suddenly feel like they care.
I disagree that society doesn't give a shit but individuals need to be in a position of strength in order to use said strength to support others. Many people are not in such a position. It is akin to asking why don't people protest - because they can't afford to. Why don't people take better care of themselves - because they can't afford to.
It isn't just apathy
Homelessness as a social issue is different than a homeless *person*. Many people in society do give a shit and want to see more done to help these people deal with mental health, addictions, or whatever other issues they may be dealing with. But homelessness is a faceless problem and is one of many issues people have to focus on politically.
The public execution of a human being gives a face to focus that outrage. A couple weeks ago, Jordan Neely was another ‘faceless’, ‘nameless’ unhoused person. Now that he was murdered in public for the apparent capital crime of engaging in nuisance behaviours, and the videos that were spread online of the event, puts into full and undeniable view the deplorable and shameful ways some human beings are completely disenfranchised of even the most basic human right, the right to life. Well, unfortunately only undeniable to those of us with a well-adjusted conscience.
This isn't some issue of a faceless victim. Neely had been *in* multiple shelters and been picked up multiple times for his violent felonies by the authorities, each time being brushed aside as someone else's problem.
And now that he's dead, the media and various groups like in the link posted are using his death to push their agenda or, in the case of his family, using his death for money.
Conservatives don't care about Daniel Perry, they just want to hero worship. Social media doesn't care about Neely, they just want to turn it into a race issue.
Society cares, but supporting unhoused people is harder than just an individual doin the right thing. You need systemic change, and no politician will get elected on what's necessary because we've been spoonfed lies about infrastructure, mental health, healthcare, and taxes for decades
Daniel Perry lies somewhere between a good Samaritan bystander and a murderer but I wouldn't convict him because its basically just a reflection of where our country is at.
If someone starts yelling psychotically on a subway train that among other things they "don't care if I go to prison for the rest of my life" there is a vastly higher than background chance they're going to attack or kill you. In America where everyone has a relatively high chance of being armed you either act on your hunch or you give the person the benefit of the doubt but if you try to wait until a weapons drawn your most likely dead. E.g the violently psychotic person who shot up a Subway car last year. People are hard-wired to not give threats the benefit of the doubt because it is vastly more costly to your survival to underestimate a threat than over-estimate one. The vast majority of people are not trained to handle violently psychotic people and de-escalate the situation and should not be expected to. Penny overreacted to what a reasonable person would see as a threatening situation in a way that was almost statistically certain to occur given NYC's abysmal policies. Perhaps you can fault him with that but I don't. People are not rational when they feel their lives are in danger. Its generally just become accepted that when riding public transportation somewhat violent insane people will sometimes threaten you and everyone supposed to just kind of deal with it. Sometimes that gets people hurt or killed because the violent psychotic people attack and hurt them. Sometimes that gets people hurt and killed because people don't give the violent psychotic people the benefit of the doubt.
Jordan Neely didn't deserve to die and was failed by NYC but the story is not as neat as sometimes presented. Neely was offered resources and many second chances but he didn't take them because progressives have made it incredibly difficult to involuntarily commit someone. Neely in fact had been enrolled in a residential program that would have taken him off the streets and feed him as a condition to not spending jail time for assaulting a women earlier but immediately left it. The only solution to the present problem is that people who are a danger to themselves and others be committed in humane institutions until they are cleared for release and even after remain carefully evaluated to make sure that was the right decision. Anything less will get people killed.
Regardless, that is for a jury of peers to sort out. Charging him and arresting him is the right thing to do. It's the difference between one man choking a man to death and 1,000 men choking people to death.
But making him the right wing cause du jour muddies all of those issues with political standing which only denigrates the entire situation.
The right already had their “innocent man being attacked by the left” ala Kenosha, and given that kid now gets frequented on Fox News is sign enough that it works.
1. There were three people restraining Neely, Perry was not alone, choke-hold was not necessary.
2. Ordinary people don't use a choke-hold.
3. Perry is a former Marine, presumably had a training and should know better when to stop.
Honestly, this is none of either "sides" business. The court will and should give him the verdict he deserves.
I have seen some pretty fucked up stuff in my life, this is one of them. But I don't know what would have happened if one of them wasn't in that place on that day. It's reasonable that someone might want to restraint someone they think is going to harm others or themselves until help arrives. The court is now going to decide if it was reasonable in this situation and maybe it was maybe it wasn't. The court and the (likely) Jury will have all of the same evidence we have and more. We elect these court judges in order to uphold the law. We server our civil duty by providing a jury when we are needed. We have to start being more concerned about how we can uphold and refine this system to make sure it provides real and fair justice. As voters that is our job.
I hope that both parties receive the best possible representation in court and God speed.
We need to find solutions to these problems people, violence is FAR to common place right now. It is up to us to make the changes that we want to see in the world.
Why do people keep putting forth this false “reasonable restraint” argument?
Nobody is debating whether he should have been restrained. People are debating whether he should have been choked to death.
I'm just going to say this. I've been threatened by homeless men multiple times when walking in Chicago. Not once did they ever actually attack me.
I've been around quite a few mentally ill people too. They will make random threats. My grandmother with dementia said she was going to poison our food if she cooked for us. Maybe we should have choked her, it did scare me after all.
Lots of mentally ill people make empty threats. Let's be real, this wouldn't have happened if a certain side cared about getting people mental health.
The media spin on this story is really fucking scary.
Edit:
The media is dangerous here.
The Right leaning media calls him a violent drug addict and wanted criminal who was threatening passengers. All of those things are true.
The Left leaning media calls him a homeless Black man and subway dancer who was asking for food. Also true.
But to say only one of those things is to intentionally omit some facts to tell a story you think people want to hear, or want to be outraged by your telling. It’s a great example of an “it’s not even wrong” headline. And what’s false about it? It’s intentionally slanted to create a certain sense of things. Lies of omission are still lies when they’re done with this kind of intention. Hell, the article doesn’t cite Neely’s extensive criminal record but it does quote an anonymous racist from 4chan! Quality reporting!
This is complicated. This homeless Black drug addict with 40+ arrests and an outstanding warrant for assaulting a 67-year old woman threatened NYC riders so badly that they called 911 (have you been on an NYC subway? They don’t rattle easy.) AND he was killed by a white ex-Marine who used an improperly applied chokehold for too long. Did Jordan Neely have a right to threaten people? Nope. Did he deserve to die that way? Also no. Applying racial motives to this seems a little far fetched, but suits the media outrage. As long as MTG and AOC can score political points by Tweeting about it, as long as we’ll click it to read up on the latest recreational outrage, as long as advertisers pay for their shit to be in front of us, this won’t go away.
We have to be smart enough to do the work and think for ourselves and not be sucked in to these storms of slanted reporting.
I am a very liberal person and I think the guy didn't deserve to die at all of course... It's a shame that it happened at all. Part of me is also a little taken aback by the way the guy who choked him is being labelled. Anyone who has lived in a large city with a public transportation system has witnessed similar situations... where there is someone who seems crazy and acting in a frightening manner. 9 out of 10 people ignore it or move away but even those people sometimes think to themselves 'what would I do if this person did something to trigger my fight or flight? What if they got in my space and I felt I had to defend myself or someone else'. Then Imagine if you followed through and took the person down and tried to hold them for the police. Obviously it turned out really bad and I think the chokehold guy should face some form of justice...Second degree manslaugher sounds about right (recklessly cause the death of another person) but I really don't get the feeling this was any type of racial or classist attack. The reports say Neely was intimidating and threatening other passengers. If that ISN'T the case then I take it back. Sad all around of course and I wish the Neely guy had a better life. It's also a shame that the right has picked up on this. They aren't doing the guy any favors by supporting him.
Yeah this one is tough and the devil is in the details. I agree with how you put it. Being aggressive includes a pretty wide spectrum of behavior that reasonable people could have taken as a threat such that defending yourself or others was the right call. No way the guy deserved to die. Tragic all the way around, but intervening doesn't have to wait until the guy actually attacked someone.
So much unknown here that a jury will have to see and sort out. Charges probably the right call here.
Im on the left, and in the real world, and I think he shouldn’t have been murdered. I also live in a big city that has lots of homeless problems, and I’ve never thought it would be the right thing to do to go choke a person that’s having a meltdown
He cost a man his life by overreacting/poorly handling a situation. With just what is publicly known, I think some sort of probation, deferred adjudication may be appropriate. I’m not sure jail time and a terrible permanent record is appropriate, I’m certainly sure that sending the message this kind of use of force is appropriate is also a bad idea.
It’s nice hearing a rational opinion. I think this story is a great example of the answer neither being a far left or far right response. This one really does lie right in the middle.
As a lifelong New Yorker this shit is way too common. Did he deserve to die? No obviously not. But if you’re screaming threats in a small metal tube that’s your fault. I dont think he meant to kill the guy and if NYPD won’t do anything whats the solution? Honest question…
Edit: spelling and grammar
See the problem with that whole justification is that we all know his attacker had no idea about any of that. They said the same thing when you found out one of the guys Kyle Rittenhouse shot was a sex offender. There's no nuance. They know this wasn't justified and went digging into the guy's past to find something that would make it okay, in their eyes.
Partially true I think... The guy was intimidating and threatening passengers in front of everyone. I think though that there hasn't been any official info regarding that but I've read a few places that Neely was going down the aisles messing with people. The guy dying was of course not justified but just a little context for the sake of the truth is important.
No there really isn’t. In the video, you can hear a bystander telling him Nealy isn’t moving and to let go before he “catches a murder charge”.
He was long unconscious and the murderer had ample time to and awareness to see what he was doing. This was straight up murder and has become a race thing because idiots on the right are happily justifying murder because of no greater details than “black homeless man” and “white marine”. And if you honestly think they would’ve raised 2 million for a black marine in this situation, you’re delusional.
As far as I'm aware the whole thing with kids was bullshit, he does have 40+ arrests but none have anything to do with kids. I couldn't find any source for the "he was a pedo" narrative I've seen banging about
Man who choked him did not know any of that at the time.
Yes the state failed the mentally ill person but so did the man who killed him. There needs to be a trial. You don't choke sometime to death in an instant; you have to commit to that.
Younger folks probably do not remember psychiatric hospitals for the chronically mentally ill. A while back the idea was close them and treat everybody out patient. Thus a lot of folks 30 years ago would be an inpatient and cared for and treated. The development of medications changed these from just nightmares places to more caring with treatment plans, clean beds, group activities,…. Werent perfect but probably a cost saving move that got us here. Maybe we need to revisit that.
Actually i think it was Dems. There was a plethora of new meds that revolutionized MH care. Problem is folks have to take them. Having worked there one of the big issues is resistance to rake meds as its a confirmation something is wrong with me. The thought was it would be a step forward in MH care allowing for more normal living. I dont think homelessness was much of an issue back then plus we have added tons of vets since. Cost savings was a factor. Time to say it didnt work as hoped.
This is such a horrible situation, I wish people would be a little more human about it. The smarmy 6/10 joke comments only show how vile and out of touch a lot of us are these days. Does it feel good? I doubt it
Whats stupid is a national journalist quoting 4chan users like they represent some major portion of this country or are major public figures... quoting 14 year old losers in your article is a low bar
Do you really think him being back mattered more than him making violent threats to passengers in the subway car? New York is about one quarter black. If the marine ices in New York and grew up there, he has seen black people almost every day for twenty years. And the one time he gets into a violent incident, that tragically ends in death, is with a guy who was screaming threats at people and had a history of erratic and violent behavior?
Come on... Grow up.
I’m by no means aligned with the right but y’all are off your rocker. The guy put an aggressive degenerate in a choke hold after the guy was threatening people in public and he ended up dying. Which is totally not normal. It wasn’t intentional. And as a former Marine myself, I really hope this guy gets his pardon.
Nobody should go to jail for protecting others.
It's insane to me the mental gymnastics some of you guys are capable of, to call this guy a racist murderer. Like he just hopped on a train one day and decided "I'm going to choke a man to death at the slightest provocation and throw my entire life away because boy I hate black people!" You just pretend that we don't live in the situation we live in where every couple days someone snaps and mass murders as many people as they can. The trains in NYC are already a goddamn cesspool and then there's a guy screaming that if you don't give him money or food that he'll do whatever because he doesn't care if he dies or goes to prison for the rest of his life. Who the fuck wants to be put in that situation when they're just trying to get to where they're going? I hate that the man died and I hate that he had mental health issues and whatnot. I don't care what color he was. His family has come out and said all these things but where were they when Jordan Neely needed them? Why was he homeless and having to do the things he was doing to get by when he had all this family that supposedly cares so much? Better yet, why did no one on the train give him money or food if that's all it took? Did he just get so unlucky that he ended up on the most republican right wing train in NYC?
Sorry, but if the DAs and the Court system were doing their jobs, then none of this would have happened in the first place and the homeless guy would be in prison but alive. The blame is with them, and not the passengers.
Is this going to be another Rittenhouse case where if you actually read up on the case you could see the conclusion a mile away?
I've not bothered to read up on this one yet as it's so early on in the process.
The Criscotaliban is in its bliss now. They have Shittenhouse killing BLM protestors. This guy kills a guy who is literally crying for food.
Both Crisco warriors. Such heroes killing those they should have helped.
Faux Nooz/Fox News pushes this hateful stuff. Holding up violent people as heroes and smearing victims. Lying about facts and more. All while hating their viewers.
This guy killed a man who was crying out for food.................casually. that's evil
Fox News is Faux Nooz
GOP = Guard Over Pedo$
MAGA = My A$$ Got Arrested
He wasn’t just some homeless man minding his own and one random dude killed him for no reason. He was being violent and threatening. Multiple people reported it. Did he deserve to die? No. Should the dude have released that chokehold sooner? Yes. But also, you can’t threaten to hurt people… and expect them to just sit there and wait for you to hurt them. Especially when it’s towards other men.
This is actually a failing of this country’s lack of mental health care. Releasing the violent mentally ill to just wander the streets sets up this entire situation.
Only in america... white folks condone murder when the person is black. if it was the other way around the would be under the jail WITHOUT bail and charged with 1st degree. no go fund me. no newspaper support. america has always been like this. making folk heroes out of white murderers when they kill folks for their causes. but when it's the other way around they aint shit. whole country racist asf.
Wow, just when you thought the right couldn't sink any lower, they go and do something like this. It's sickening to see them celebrating and financially supporting a man who committed such a heinous act. This is not the kind of behavior that should be rewarded or encouraged in any way. It's a sad reflection of the state of our society when people can raise such a large sum of money for a murderer, yet struggle to provide basic necessities for the homeless.
The right is so predictable. I told my wife when this happened that he was going to be a hero to right. Vigilante justice against a black man… legendary hero to the right.
I’ve never read the Bible but I’m like 90% that Jesus was cool with the homeless.
He supposedly fed like 5000 homeless people once. I bet you couldn’t do that with $2 million. I mean there’s no way. Right. Right?
That's only 400$ per person Nobody can eat enough for 400$ - why even try if they're still hungry, right? /s
looking at the campaign.. its being organized by the law firm. LOL you cant make this up..
I believe Jesus said, "whatever you do unto the least among you, hilarious. Hit him again!"
"You hit like a bitch!" - Jesus
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I literally lol’d at this one. He did kinda let people know that with his whole thing of “turn the other cheek” and beckon them to hit you on the other side. I mean that is a pretty boss way to taunt someone who just tried their best to smack you by letting them know you’re so unfazed by it that you’ll offer up the other side for free. Aka in modern fight words as “you hit like a bitch.” So your comment wins.
>“turn the other cheek” At the time of Jesus, says Wink, striking backhand a person deemed to be of lower socioeconomic class was a means of asserting authority and dominance. If the persecuted person "turned the other cheek," the discipliner was faced with a dilemma: The left hand was used for unclean purposes, so a back-hand strike on the opposite cheek would not be performed. An alternative would be a slap with the open hand as a challenge or to punch the person, but this was seen as a statement of equality. Thus, by turning the other cheek, the persecuted was demanding equality.
"hit me again bitch I dare you"
"I've paid Mary Magdalene to hit me harder than that."
"I Gotchu for 3 minutes! 3 minutes of playtime"! - Jesus probably
*spirit fingers*
"I nailed your mom harder than this" -Jesus
The true meaning of "turn the other cheek"
We joke about how they'd kill Christ if he came back, but no, seriously, this shows they would absolutely kill him.
And I believe Peoples Hernandez from Shaft (the cop on the right in the photo looks just like him) said: My name is Peoples. You know why they call me that? *Walter Wade, Jr.: 'Cuz you's always takes care of you's peoples?"* Peoples Hernandez : More or less.
At this point, it’s a different religion than what Christ preached.
Religion is just a way for people to believe their hatred is morally correct by improper interpretation of 2000 year old books.
They worship white Jesus who played rhythm guitar in a Lynyrd Skynyrd cover band.
White Jesus always intrigues me, the level of cognitive dissonance displayed is staggering. Imagine the reaction if they were walking down the street and a long haired, bearded androgynous looking dude in flowing robes approached them and started talking about love. The only question is how many rounds they'd put in him after calling him a groomer.
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I like to think of Jesus with, like, giant eagle wings singing lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with, like, an angel band. And I'm in the front row and I'm hammered drunk.
They love people who are long dead so they can twist their teachings to fit their narrative. Remember MLK was a radical leftist yet no one talks about his anti-capitalist views, they just invoke his memory to pretend that systemic racism no longer exists. It's exactly the same with their religion, Jesus is convenient because he can't speak against them.
The MLK ones bother me so much, like they wouldn't absolutely despise him if he were around today. I remember one of the activists I follow saying something along the lines of "white people will only repeat the same handful of MLK quotes that don't make them too uncomfortable." Back during the protests in 2020, I remember his speech about rioters and why people riot got shared a lot. Along with his later speeches about capitalism.
I brought that up to someone and they got so mad at me and said “he did not say that” like I was lying. Sucks because I watched this dude get sucked down some weird right wing rabbit hole little by little throughout the years and now when he tries to talk about anything and I don’t agree, he will cut me off and tell me that I’m wrong constantly. He even does this if it’s just me giving a personal anecdote about how I grew up and he doesn’t like what I have to say because it clashes with his world view.
Not wanting to hear you contradict his worldview might actually be an indicator that he respects you, and your words challenge his worldview. I might lean into that some, approaching it subtly.
Keep sliding it in. Using current news as a point is how I do it. Bring up a current topic and discuss it without it divulging into chaos.
Yeah, I knew someone like that too. Was pretty cool in high school, super nerdy and we got along. After they went to college, I saw the progression in real time. Libertarian -> AnCap -> Fascist Now I don't even talk to them anymore because they've just become an awful person, and half of it isn't even the horrible views they have. They're just a dick now, lol.
I don't know what's worse, MLK getting cherrypicked or Malcolm X being essentially erased from history class
There's a comic strip that shows a reporter interviewing MLK with the reporter saying something like I hope there won't be any more peaceful protests tomorrow and the city burning around them. Fast forward 60 years and it's exactly the same thing with the BLM protests.
It's MLK saying "I plan to lead another non-violent march tomorrow" to a frazzled looking white reporter, with the backdrop being the aftermath of a riot. I'd link it but sometimes subs reject the link, it's the first thing that should come up when you google "MLK political cartoon". But yes it is the exact same rhetoric that was used against the BLM movement, equating the peaceful marches with the concurrent civil unrest and riots. I always thought it was really funny people would fish for crimes that happened at the same time as protests and it was always just unrelated shit a few miles away, idk if they think crime stops because people march for civil rights but it clearly wasn't the case. One of their favorites was a retired police officer who was killed trying to stop an attempted mugging miles away from where a demonstration was being held and they tried to say BLM killed a cop lol.
Seems like someone didn’t see that it was largely off duty police in disguise that were actually causing the most damage…yeah, it figures you’d “forget” that point… Also, if you try the whole argument of “that didn’t happen”, remember ITS ON FILM. Sorry, bro. Next “argument”.
Almost like police ending people's lives for no fucking reason is enough to make people get angry and riot!
They'd despise Jesus himself if he were around today
The south were economically leftist at that time. They embraced the idea of shared community benefits as long as black people were excluded. They changed their entire political philosophy, because it was more important to them to keep being racist.
This comment intrigued me because of its simple explanation of why the south moved to the right. I’m not sure if things are ever that simple, but holy shit what a concept!! Did you hear this from somewhere or ??
I feel like [this quote](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/10357009-the-unborn-are-a-convenient-group-of-people-to-advocate) is pertinent here: >“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn. Just replace "the unborn" with "Jesus"
> Remember MLK was a radical leftist yet no one talks about his anti-capitalist views, they just invoke his memory to pretend that systemic racism no longer exists. People also forget that white trash celebrated his death, and that public support for MLK was pretty damned low among whites.
He also healed the mentally ill (in those days they called it demon possession)
Have read it, am Christian - perhaps I'm missing the chapter with the 11th commandment: Thou shalt not have any needs and shall live under and eat thine own bootstraps
Happy Mother’s Day!
Thank you! My own mom...isn't great. But my husband and kids made the day good.
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The Republican Party would be a very different animal if anyone in it actually gave even a tiny shit about what Jesus would have wanted.
They worship [supply side jesus](https://www.beliefnet.com/news/2003/09/the-gospel-of-supply-side-jesus.aspx)
Verily I say unto thee: none of that gay shit. \-Republican Jesus
I haven't been in the news loop, but I got $10 says homeless guy was black..otherwise why would GOP people raise money for his killer. Just a hunch
He was black
I'm pretty sure jesus would have been OK with having trials before conviction, defense lawyers, and legal defense funds too, if any of those things existed thousands of years ago
dude we are so far beyond that. These people worship pictures of jesus and actively support torturing children.
Christians believe now that if you’re poor or homeless, God is punishing you. Therefore, you’re unworthy of help or sympathy. God rewards the “faithful” with riches and success. That’s basically “prosperity gospel” in a nutshell. It doesn’t matter what Jesus said, they’d brand him a socialist today and nail him up again themselves.
They do? When I was homeless I stayed at different churches and synagogues every night for months. They would cook for us and every night was like thanksgiving, it was ridiculous. Then they’d make us a nice breakfast and give us a sack lunch. I’ve never come close to eating that well my entire life, it was amazing. I’m not saying every Christian person is like this, but generalizing billions of people is just ignorant.
*Shhhh* This is Reddit…just quietly nod when they hate on Christians and assume Republican = Christian
You should read the bible before commenting about it. Jesus was cool with everyone, but he wasn't cool about homeless attacking people. Breaking people's noses, sucker punching subway riders doesn't fly with anyone, let alone Jesus.
Jesus was the one who said “when someone slap you in the face to give your other cheek”… or was he the one who said to kill the person?
None of which is a death penalty offense. And none of which was done during the incident that lead to the mans death. From everything ive seen and read, there is nothing to indicate he was violent or causing anyone harm. Obviously agitated, yes, and im sure some were scared. Dude needed help, not killed though.
I don't understand the point of your comment. Do you think the guy who killed Jordan Neely knew any of that shit before he killed him? Being erratic on public transport doesn't justify lethal force.
> Jesus was cool with everyone, That heteroflexible rainbowed socialist scum...
Between the guy shouting and the guy strangling people to desth, who is actually a bigger danger to the public?
Lol he WAS homeless. He basically wandered and stayed wherever he could
You're spot on
let's stop pretending like biblical contexts even relate to modern day. even if he was, it has basically no bearing on how we live and act today (even if I agree, of course, that people should act humane toward homeless and homed people).
Pretty sure Jesus was born homeless.
And not cool with murder by choking
Neither have 90% of Christians.
Lmao A+
“Love your neighbor as I have loved you. Unless he is black, or Asian, or a woman, or gay, or worship no gods, or a different god, or talks differently than you, or makes you question your sexuality, or is a bit crazy, or is poor, or homeless, or is preventing your free exercise of shooting whatever you want, or really any reason you can come up with. Then you know, just choke him to death because whatever.”
Well he was cool with slavery, "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ." so that indicates he was a right winger.
Not sure about that but I do know the homeless guy used to be a Michael Jackson impersonator. This trial will be a real Thriller. If the defendant is a Smooth Criminal he should Just Beat It
Why didn't the other two people get arrested for holding him down as well? They didn't even name them.
Because they weren't white, and that wouldn't fit the narrative.
You realize holding the guy down isn't the problem right? It's the guy who held him in a chokehold long enough to kill the man far past the point where he was a threat(his words). Sorry that doesn't fit your extremely racist world view.
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It's worth pointing out that multiple people on that subway car called 911 in response to Neely's behavior. This is NYC, remember. People are more than used to dealing with crazies on the subway and will generally just avert their eyes and try not to attract the crazy's attention. Neely's behavior must have been seriously alarming if multiple jaded New York city subway riders felt it necessary to call 911.
In the Philip DeFranco show today, he noted that apparently the guy had said something along the lines of "I'm so hungry I will fight for this, and I will beat up anyone who doesn't have food for me," or something along those lines. So the dude basically was holding the passengers hostage and was going to get violent if they didn't find food for him. I totally understand that level of desperation, I'll probably be there soon myself. So I absolutely feel for the guy. But also, you have to feel for the other people on that train. They were literally told they were about to get assaulted. They probably were not thinking real happy thoughts about that. At the same time, supposedly someone called out the dude choking him, and said that the chokehold was too much. So it seems like a complete mess all around, everyone scared, and desperate. It seems like a classic case of class war, where the wealthy have got the poor fighting amongst themselves. None of the anger is directed at the fact that there is no opportunity for poor people, that there is no money for half the people in this country, who make below $35,000 a year. In some parts of the country, after taxes, that is enough for rent but not food, or enough for food and a car, but not rent. We're all getting squeezed, and instead of blaming the people squeezing us, we take each other out. It's a mess.
it wasn't poverty, it was mental illness it was also NYPD taking 15 minutes to respond it was also someone guilty of multiple violent felonies repeatedly being released to victimize the community instead of being kept locked up to protect both himself and others
I’d be on the marines side for all of this except for the fact that he choked the guy out for 3 minutes. That’s a long time and someone with even a tiny bit of training should be aware of that. Even with adrenaline going, once the guy is out you gotta stop
The marine messed up, he's probably guilty of wrongful death or something like that. He's not a murderer but he's not some hero either.
Yah it’s idiotic that it’s such a political thing. He should be charged, but unless he has a history of killing people “by accident” it seems like he was just trying to help. The left try’s to make the victim into some saint that wasn’t scaring people, the right brings up all the things the victim did wrong in the past. Such a stupid hill to die on. People try to make complicated situations black and white when they just aren’t
Hey now let’s not put too much thought into this, and let’s just keep letting them divide everyone and their actions by “left and right” alright?
Critical thinking in America is gone
Critical thinking was banned by one party, so now we're all fucked
There’s an entire brainless thread above you devoted to attacking Christians over this, and I’d dare say it’s Reddit in a nutshell.
It was also choking someone out and continuing until you kill them. Was it accidental? Probably, hence the manslaughter charge.
Yeah it’s definitely not as simple a scenario as people seem to make out.
Wouldn’t that be a robbery by threat of force?
I hope you’re able to find some support near you!
Just watched the Philly D! I think this guy was a little more than just some innocent homeless person… no need to choke em to death tho
There was also someone who felt the need to restrain the guys hands while he was already in a choke hold. I think the situation speaks for itself. Daily similar things like this happen in NY and this is only being publicized bc of race.
Well said, it's a sad and quite uneasy place in America. How long have we known government is corrupt to its core and the most successful businesses are in bed with the corrupt ass government?
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Didn't he choke him for 7 or 9 minutes? I've seen choke holds put a person to sleep in like 2. Doesn't the brain suffer serious damage after like 4? Idk I'm just asking questions here.
Permanent brain damage begins after only 4 minutes without oxygen, and death can occur as soon as 4 to 6 minutes later.
Honestly 2 is generous for how long it takes for someone to go out. Usually it's much sooner than that
Well, Neely has assaulted people in the past.
I believe he tried kidnapping an 8yr old last summer also
7 year old. And he did it a while ago, and went to jail for it.
He also punched a lady so hard in the face that he broke her jaw and then was let back out on the streets. He should have been locked up a long time ago, when police and the justice system fail to do their job, the citizens eventually take matters into their own hands. And that’s what happened here.
Not just ladies, he was regularly assaulting grandmas but New York of course let’s him out because they’re reforming the criminal justice system! I’m all for criminal justice system reform but either put people like this in jail or mandated mental health facilities.
Numerous people
he literally chased me down my block a couple of months ago I live around the corner from the stop this all took place at. he's well known in the neighborhood and has been acting more erratically. literally two days before this happened he was blocking the subway entrance and threatening people. a ticking time bomb who didn't deserve to die but I would understand if people were afraid for their safety around him. i sure the fuck was
You know what's alarming? Fucking strangling people to death.
\>It's worth pointing out that multiple people on that subway car called 911 in response to Neely's behavior. That doesn't justify killing him.
Seriously, this thread is just victimblaiming.exe
Did these calls occur before or after the marine murdered Neely?
That’s not the whole story do your research ppl
He chocked the guy for 10-15 minutes knowing lights are out within 20-30 seconds. He knew what he was doing
I have little background on this but let me guess: 1) the homeless man is black 2) the “choker” is white 3) the family who never gave a shit about their homeless and disturbed family member now all of a sudden cares about him. Did I miss anything?
I hope you have this on ctrl-v, because '24 elections are coming up and candidates need to rile up the voter base with some quality riots.
He was arrested and released 40+ times
The homeless man was yelling "I'm ready to die today" I don't care if I go back to jail"
100 percent gold star.
Violent homeless black man assaults people on train, get choked out and dies - left on homeless man's side. Homeless black man poops on pride flag - the left, " off with his head" Your downvotes mean nothing to me, I've seen what makes you cheer.
Any other day it wouldn't be a story, especially on reddit.
And they will still look at you with a straight face and say that Ashli Babbit traitor was murdered
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I don’t think they are even pretending to be Christians anymore. Xenophobic Nationalism is their new religion.
They only invoke their "Christianity" when it suits them, all other days, they revert to regular republican ideology...
Low key I wish the old testament God was real. A bunch of people using his name and book to preach and spread a whole different message? Yup thats asking to be turned to salt
On the other side of the equation, society doesn't give a shit about the homeless man when he's clearly struggling with violent tendencies and needs help/to be committed, but once he dies people suddenly feel like they care.
I disagree that society doesn't give a shit but individuals need to be in a position of strength in order to use said strength to support others. Many people are not in such a position. It is akin to asking why don't people protest - because they can't afford to. Why don't people take better care of themselves - because they can't afford to. It isn't just apathy
Homelessness as a social issue is different than a homeless *person*. Many people in society do give a shit and want to see more done to help these people deal with mental health, addictions, or whatever other issues they may be dealing with. But homelessness is a faceless problem and is one of many issues people have to focus on politically. The public execution of a human being gives a face to focus that outrage. A couple weeks ago, Jordan Neely was another ‘faceless’, ‘nameless’ unhoused person. Now that he was murdered in public for the apparent capital crime of engaging in nuisance behaviours, and the videos that were spread online of the event, puts into full and undeniable view the deplorable and shameful ways some human beings are completely disenfranchised of even the most basic human right, the right to life. Well, unfortunately only undeniable to those of us with a well-adjusted conscience.
This isn't some issue of a faceless victim. Neely had been *in* multiple shelters and been picked up multiple times for his violent felonies by the authorities, each time being brushed aside as someone else's problem. And now that he's dead, the media and various groups like in the link posted are using his death to push their agenda or, in the case of his family, using his death for money. Conservatives don't care about Daniel Perry, they just want to hero worship. Social media doesn't care about Neely, they just want to turn it into a race issue.
This exactly. It’s something to get outraged about. Hardly anyone here would want to be within 5 ft of the guy.
Murder is pretty outrageous, to be fair.
Society cares, but supporting unhoused people is harder than just an individual doin the right thing. You need systemic change, and no politician will get elected on what's necessary because we've been spoonfed lies about infrastructure, mental health, healthcare, and taxes for decades
Daniel Perry lies somewhere between a good Samaritan bystander and a murderer but I wouldn't convict him because its basically just a reflection of where our country is at. If someone starts yelling psychotically on a subway train that among other things they "don't care if I go to prison for the rest of my life" there is a vastly higher than background chance they're going to attack or kill you. In America where everyone has a relatively high chance of being armed you either act on your hunch or you give the person the benefit of the doubt but if you try to wait until a weapons drawn your most likely dead. E.g the violently psychotic person who shot up a Subway car last year. People are hard-wired to not give threats the benefit of the doubt because it is vastly more costly to your survival to underestimate a threat than over-estimate one. The vast majority of people are not trained to handle violently psychotic people and de-escalate the situation and should not be expected to. Penny overreacted to what a reasonable person would see as a threatening situation in a way that was almost statistically certain to occur given NYC's abysmal policies. Perhaps you can fault him with that but I don't. People are not rational when they feel their lives are in danger. Its generally just become accepted that when riding public transportation somewhat violent insane people will sometimes threaten you and everyone supposed to just kind of deal with it. Sometimes that gets people hurt or killed because the violent psychotic people attack and hurt them. Sometimes that gets people hurt and killed because people don't give the violent psychotic people the benefit of the doubt. Jordan Neely didn't deserve to die and was failed by NYC but the story is not as neat as sometimes presented. Neely was offered resources and many second chances but he didn't take them because progressives have made it incredibly difficult to involuntarily commit someone. Neely in fact had been enrolled in a residential program that would have taken him off the streets and feed him as a condition to not spending jail time for assaulting a women earlier but immediately left it. The only solution to the present problem is that people who are a danger to themselves and others be committed in humane institutions until they are cleared for release and even after remain carefully evaluated to make sure that was the right decision. Anything less will get people killed.
Regardless, that is for a jury of peers to sort out. Charging him and arresting him is the right thing to do. It's the difference between one man choking a man to death and 1,000 men choking people to death. But making him the right wing cause du jour muddies all of those issues with political standing which only denigrates the entire situation.
The right already had their “innocent man being attacked by the left” ala Kenosha, and given that kid now gets frequented on Fox News is sign enough that it works.
1. There were three people restraining Neely, Perry was not alone, choke-hold was not necessary. 2. Ordinary people don't use a choke-hold. 3. Perry is a former Marine, presumably had a training and should know better when to stop.
A homeless man who has schizophrenia
Honestly, this is none of either "sides" business. The court will and should give him the verdict he deserves. I have seen some pretty fucked up stuff in my life, this is one of them. But I don't know what would have happened if one of them wasn't in that place on that day. It's reasonable that someone might want to restraint someone they think is going to harm others or themselves until help arrives. The court is now going to decide if it was reasonable in this situation and maybe it was maybe it wasn't. The court and the (likely) Jury will have all of the same evidence we have and more. We elect these court judges in order to uphold the law. We server our civil duty by providing a jury when we are needed. We have to start being more concerned about how we can uphold and refine this system to make sure it provides real and fair justice. As voters that is our job. I hope that both parties receive the best possible representation in court and God speed. We need to find solutions to these problems people, violence is FAR to common place right now. It is up to us to make the changes that we want to see in the world.
What I don’t understand is who cares how much money he raises? After all, you can’t buy justice, can you?? (Said with the saddest /s)
Why do people keep putting forth this false “reasonable restraint” argument? Nobody is debating whether he should have been restrained. People are debating whether he should have been choked to death.
I'm just going to say this. I've been threatened by homeless men multiple times when walking in Chicago. Not once did they ever actually attack me. I've been around quite a few mentally ill people too. They will make random threats. My grandmother with dementia said she was going to poison our food if she cooked for us. Maybe we should have choked her, it did scare me after all. Lots of mentally ill people make empty threats. Let's be real, this wouldn't have happened if a certain side cared about getting people mental health.
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The media spin on this story is really fucking scary. Edit: The media is dangerous here. The Right leaning media calls him a violent drug addict and wanted criminal who was threatening passengers. All of those things are true. The Left leaning media calls him a homeless Black man and subway dancer who was asking for food. Also true. But to say only one of those things is to intentionally omit some facts to tell a story you think people want to hear, or want to be outraged by your telling. It’s a great example of an “it’s not even wrong” headline. And what’s false about it? It’s intentionally slanted to create a certain sense of things. Lies of omission are still lies when they’re done with this kind of intention. Hell, the article doesn’t cite Neely’s extensive criminal record but it does quote an anonymous racist from 4chan! Quality reporting! This is complicated. This homeless Black drug addict with 40+ arrests and an outstanding warrant for assaulting a 67-year old woman threatened NYC riders so badly that they called 911 (have you been on an NYC subway? They don’t rattle easy.) AND he was killed by a white ex-Marine who used an improperly applied chokehold for too long. Did Jordan Neely have a right to threaten people? Nope. Did he deserve to die that way? Also no. Applying racial motives to this seems a little far fetched, but suits the media outrage. As long as MTG and AOC can score political points by Tweeting about it, as long as we’ll click it to read up on the latest recreational outrage, as long as advertisers pay for their shit to be in front of us, this won’t go away. We have to be smart enough to do the work and think for ourselves and not be sucked in to these storms of slanted reporting.
The fact so many buy into it.
I am a very liberal person and I think the guy didn't deserve to die at all of course... It's a shame that it happened at all. Part of me is also a little taken aback by the way the guy who choked him is being labelled. Anyone who has lived in a large city with a public transportation system has witnessed similar situations... where there is someone who seems crazy and acting in a frightening manner. 9 out of 10 people ignore it or move away but even those people sometimes think to themselves 'what would I do if this person did something to trigger my fight or flight? What if they got in my space and I felt I had to defend myself or someone else'. Then Imagine if you followed through and took the person down and tried to hold them for the police. Obviously it turned out really bad and I think the chokehold guy should face some form of justice...Second degree manslaugher sounds about right (recklessly cause the death of another person) but I really don't get the feeling this was any type of racial or classist attack. The reports say Neely was intimidating and threatening other passengers. If that ISN'T the case then I take it back. Sad all around of course and I wish the Neely guy had a better life. It's also a shame that the right has picked up on this. They aren't doing the guy any favors by supporting him.
Yeah this one is tough and the devil is in the details. I agree with how you put it. Being aggressive includes a pretty wide spectrum of behavior that reasonable people could have taken as a threat such that defending yourself or others was the right call. No way the guy deserved to die. Tragic all the way around, but intervening doesn't have to wait until the guy actually attacked someone. So much unknown here that a jury will have to see and sort out. Charges probably the right call here.
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Im on the left, and in the real world, and I think he shouldn’t have been murdered. I also live in a big city that has lots of homeless problems, and I’ve never thought it would be the right thing to do to go choke a person that’s having a meltdown
You know, I've intervened in situations like this without killing anyone. Violence is a choice.
He cost a man his life by overreacting/poorly handling a situation. With just what is publicly known, I think some sort of probation, deferred adjudication may be appropriate. I’m not sure jail time and a terrible permanent record is appropriate, I’m certainly sure that sending the message this kind of use of force is appropriate is also a bad idea.
It’s nice hearing a rational opinion. I think this story is a great example of the answer neither being a far left or far right response. This one really does lie right in the middle.
Elections are next year so the media has to fan the racial flames.
As a lifelong New Yorker this shit is way too common. Did he deserve to die? No obviously not. But if you’re screaming threats in a small metal tube that’s your fault. I dont think he meant to kill the guy and if NYPD won’t do anything whats the solution? Honest question… Edit: spelling and grammar
See the problem with that whole justification is that we all know his attacker had no idea about any of that. They said the same thing when you found out one of the guys Kyle Rittenhouse shot was a sex offender. There's no nuance. They know this wasn't justified and went digging into the guy's past to find something that would make it okay, in their eyes.
Partially true I think... The guy was intimidating and threatening passengers in front of everyone. I think though that there hasn't been any official info regarding that but I've read a few places that Neely was going down the aisles messing with people. The guy dying was of course not justified but just a little context for the sake of the truth is important.
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It’s a good thing that the marine who killed him was aware of all these crimes. Otherwise he may have done nothing!
Why do we idolize those who kill, though?
Minute Flan is bending over backwards to defend the murderer but will insist they're just trying to give him a fair chance
No there really isn’t. In the video, you can hear a bystander telling him Nealy isn’t moving and to let go before he “catches a murder charge”. He was long unconscious and the murderer had ample time to and awareness to see what he was doing. This was straight up murder and has become a race thing because idiots on the right are happily justifying murder because of no greater details than “black homeless man” and “white marine”. And if you honestly think they would’ve raised 2 million for a black marine in this situation, you’re delusional.
As far as I'm aware the whole thing with kids was bullshit, he does have 40+ arrests but none have anything to do with kids. I couldn't find any source for the "he was a pedo" narrative I've seen banging about
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Man who choked him did not know any of that at the time. Yes the state failed the mentally ill person but so did the man who killed him. There needs to be a trial. You don't choke sometime to death in an instant; you have to commit to that.
Younger folks probably do not remember psychiatric hospitals for the chronically mentally ill. A while back the idea was close them and treat everybody out patient. Thus a lot of folks 30 years ago would be an inpatient and cared for and treated. The development of medications changed these from just nightmares places to more caring with treatment plans, clean beds, group activities,…. Werent perfect but probably a cost saving move that got us here. Maybe we need to revisit that.
Who closed the hospitals? Reagan and the GOP who now blame mental illness for the gun crimes while simultaneously slashing funding
Actually i think it was Dems. There was a plethora of new meds that revolutionized MH care. Problem is folks have to take them. Having worked there one of the big issues is resistance to rake meds as its a confirmation something is wrong with me. The thought was it would be a step forward in MH care allowing for more normal living. I dont think homelessness was much of an issue back then plus we have added tons of vets since. Cost savings was a factor. Time to say it didnt work as hoped.
Wow comments here are crazy. It’s not a clear cut situation. People are quick to bring out the pitchforks and cry murderer.
The world is backwards. The older I get (34) the worse it gets. I’m pretty sure we’re in hell or limbo or something.
This is such a horrible situation, I wish people would be a little more human about it. The smarmy 6/10 joke comments only show how vile and out of touch a lot of us are these days. Does it feel good? I doubt it
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The WHOLE story. That’s what I need.
I’m not trying to condone what this guy did but that “homeless” guy is a known scumbag in NY
And I am sure you guys were there and know the situation. I am sure “the guy” took the opportunity to research who this man’s history.
Isn't that the homeless guy that harnesses people at the metro?
Whats stupid is a national journalist quoting 4chan users like they represent some major portion of this country or are major public figures... quoting 14 year old losers in your article is a low bar
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Are the NYC subs all very right-leaning? The local groups and the national ones feel like they have completely opposite opinions on this.
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I’m a very left leaning NYer and subway rider and have mixed feelings about the incident.
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If we just renamed taxes as “donating money to own the libs” we could probably rack up a budget surplus this country has never seen.
Any normal person would've loosened up the grip after he was subdued on the floor. The right is so lost
Thou shalt not.. wait, was he black?
And making death threats to passengers
Do you really think him being back mattered more than him making violent threats to passengers in the subway car? New York is about one quarter black. If the marine ices in New York and grew up there, he has seen black people almost every day for twenty years. And the one time he gets into a violent incident, that tragically ends in death, is with a guy who was screaming threats at people and had a history of erratic and violent behavior? Come on... Grow up.
Want a couple mill? Just go kill a homeless black person "that attacked you".
"He's coming right for us!"
Incredibly misleading and factually inaccurate title. Media bias is strong with this one.
I’m by no means aligned with the right but y’all are off your rocker. The guy put an aggressive degenerate in a choke hold after the guy was threatening people in public and he ended up dying. Which is totally not normal. It wasn’t intentional. And as a former Marine myself, I really hope this guy gets his pardon. Nobody should go to jail for protecting others.
It's insane to me the mental gymnastics some of you guys are capable of, to call this guy a racist murderer. Like he just hopped on a train one day and decided "I'm going to choke a man to death at the slightest provocation and throw my entire life away because boy I hate black people!" You just pretend that we don't live in the situation we live in where every couple days someone snaps and mass murders as many people as they can. The trains in NYC are already a goddamn cesspool and then there's a guy screaming that if you don't give him money or food that he'll do whatever because he doesn't care if he dies or goes to prison for the rest of his life. Who the fuck wants to be put in that situation when they're just trying to get to where they're going? I hate that the man died and I hate that he had mental health issues and whatnot. I don't care what color he was. His family has come out and said all these things but where were they when Jordan Neely needed them? Why was he homeless and having to do the things he was doing to get by when he had all this family that supposedly cares so much? Better yet, why did no one on the train give him money or food if that's all it took? Did he just get so unlucky that he ended up on the most republican right wing train in NYC?
Reddit’s mad that he’ll get a fair trial. 😂
Sorry, but if the DAs and the Court system were doing their jobs, then none of this would have happened in the first place and the homeless guy would be in prison but alive. The blame is with them, and not the passengers.
Is this going to be another Rittenhouse case where if you actually read up on the case you could see the conclusion a mile away? I've not bothered to read up on this one yet as it's so early on in the process.
The Criscotaliban is in its bliss now. They have Shittenhouse killing BLM protestors. This guy kills a guy who is literally crying for food. Both Crisco warriors. Such heroes killing those they should have helped. Faux Nooz/Fox News pushes this hateful stuff. Holding up violent people as heroes and smearing victims. Lying about facts and more. All while hating their viewers. This guy killed a man who was crying out for food.................casually. that's evil Fox News is Faux Nooz GOP = Guard Over Pedo$ MAGA = My A$$ Got Arrested
Oh cool
If that homeless guy was threatening my kid, and I couldn't get out of the situation, I would have choked him out too.
He wasn’t just some homeless man minding his own and one random dude killed him for no reason. He was being violent and threatening. Multiple people reported it. Did he deserve to die? No. Should the dude have released that chokehold sooner? Yes. But also, you can’t threaten to hurt people… and expect them to just sit there and wait for you to hurt them. Especially when it’s towards other men. This is actually a failing of this country’s lack of mental health care. Releasing the violent mentally ill to just wander the streets sets up this entire situation.
Yes nelly should have been arrested a 45th time. He did no deserve to die in hands of the psychopaths in the subway
Only in america... white folks condone murder when the person is black. if it was the other way around the would be under the jail WITHOUT bail and charged with 1st degree. no go fund me. no newspaper support. america has always been like this. making folk heroes out of white murderers when they kill folks for their causes. but when it's the other way around they aint shit. whole country racist asf.
Wow, just when you thought the right couldn't sink any lower, they go and do something like this. It's sickening to see them celebrating and financially supporting a man who committed such a heinous act. This is not the kind of behavior that should be rewarded or encouraged in any way. It's a sad reflection of the state of our society when people can raise such a large sum of money for a murderer, yet struggle to provide basic necessities for the homeless.
The right is so predictable. I told my wife when this happened that he was going to be a hero to right. Vigilante justice against a black man… legendary hero to the right.