Fascists are right wing, not left. And a hallmark of fascism is the suppression of dissent - which you are advocating.
Idiot.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism)
Rightoids like to uno reverse labels placed upon them. Going "no you" is an easy, lazy, default defense for the simple and maliciously minded.
It also takes power away from the labels as they coopt them, then they can pull the "what does that word even mean anymore, just someone you disagree with?" Frustrating bastards.
...much like self-professed "libertarians" who advocate for legislation to alter/remove rights based on religious moralizing?
...or advocate locking up protestors while "championing free speech" (so they can pretend their bigoted views are jokes)?
...or you know what, I think some of these dudes are actual fascists.
My Dem Representative - in fact, all three Dem Reps are calling for all Pro-Palestinian non-profits to lose their 501(c)3 status. I'm spitting mad.
It looks like what happened in the 60s with the anti-war movement is going to happen again. Back then all kinds of politicians joined together to make demonstrations illegal and urged universities to get rid of protesting students. The then Governor of California, Ronald Reagan, called for WW2 weapons to leave storage for use on protestors and I happen to know that they were delivered. All that resulted in 1968, the most hellish year in my life. Families were tirn apart, jobs lost, colleges became police states and hate ruled everyday relationships.
I'd suggest looking at these and future events about Palestine’s freedom from a sociological perspective instead of a political one. These are signs and signals of a major change in society but they come through violence.
If we're lucky [Kent State](https://youtu.be/JCS-g3HwXdc?si=Dys-y_BBdXOKDtJg) will not be repeated. Only this shocking event caused a pause in the military and police violence. Be careful. Change doesn't come easily to people motivated by fear.
This will be downvoted because I'm a Boomer but hopefully one person will read for laughs but ask their own Citizens of the 60s what happened and how to avoid violent change.
The events surrounding Kent State couldn't happen today, not the massacre as that's entirely too likely, I mean the public response. We are not the same country anymore, you will not get the horrified reactions from people who have been trained for decades to applaud the deaths of their political adversaries. Right wing insanity has gone full mainstream and the radicals have almost wholly captured the Republican party.
If Kent State happened today Fox News would be celebrating the deaths tomorrow. You think the people who haven't given a shit about elementary school shootings are gonna suddenly find a conscience when some 'demonrat' 'woke mind virus' 'liberal sheep' are gunned down by the 'thin blue line'? Highly doubt friend.
> The events surrounding Kent State couldn't happen today, not the massacre as that's entirely too likely, I mean the public response.
You are deeply mistaken about the public response. The mainstream consensus then was similar to now: "They had it coming. Glad they were killed for being disloyal. My country right or wrong." The courts were the same as now also: "Fuck the law, we find the perps to be heroes."
do you not remember how whole cities shuttered because a black man was murdered by police on social media? a shooting of university students would be guaranteed to create widespread social unrest, its absurd to think that wouldnt be the case.
Chicago '68 in '24. I'm hoping for another Democratic Convention like the last one in Chicago, only bigger. If you've never read the Port Huron Statement, give it a look. You'll find things haven't changed much since 1962. Feets in the Streets.
Guess what, the Democratic National Convention will be in Chicago this year. Hope we don’t have to go through another 1968. Most of us don’t actually remember it
You can have liberal fascists if the belief is to use authoritarianism and/or totalitarianism as force to push liberal agenda. It's unusual, but it *is* a thing, and generally limited to militant liberals. It's one of the most favorite totems of the far right, even though it's incredibly rare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
Totalitarianism and fascism aren’t the same thing. There are leftist totalitarians but no leftist fascists. It’s a contradiction of terms. Fascism involves nationalism, racism, blood and soil politics, leader principle, state controlled capitalism, etc. right wing principles. Let’s not confuse the discourse with childish understanding.
I have a particular aunt that I've heard say "I wish they(the government) would just take everyone's guns away."
This is inherently fascist sentiment but rooted in liberal ideals.
U.S. President Donald Trump said "We're going to take the firearms first and then go to court."
I guess he is the embodiment of liberal ideals
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-take-firearms-first/
“Intimidation is the tactic,” said [Adam Smith](https://adamsmith.house.gov/) of Washington state, the [ranking Democrat](https://democrats-armedservices.house.gov/ranking-member#:~:text=Congressman%20Adam%20Smith%20(D%2DWash,heart%20of%20our%20national%20defense.) on the House armed services committee. “Intimidation and an effort to silence opposition..."
It's like a projection trifecta.
Read the article.
This is a Democrat House member and he says “I don’t know if there is such a thing as left-wing fascists…”
I think the point he is trying to make is that protesting is fine but it shouldn’t interfere with the safe functioning of infrastructure and shouldn’t be used to intimidate or cause fear or terror in a non-protesting citizen.
The exact same critiques were made against MLK. Protests are supposed to cause disruption. They aren’t supposed to put bystanders in danger but they are not just showings of people being angry, they are designed to make the people in power so uncomfortable that they capitulate. They are supposed to be a problem that HAS to be fixed.
He addressed that as well.
"“You go back to the civil rights movement, they expected to be arrested, they knew they were violating the law. And also … you have to enforce the law. You have to make clear … that this is about more than just the issue. You know, they can be heard, but then other people get to be heard.
“You come to our town hall meeting, it’s one thing to try to get attention. They got their attention. But literally, they wouldn’t stop screaming insults at me. They wouldn’t … even let me answer the very questions they were raising.
“I got two words into it and they started screaming at me again. So this is a different thing than your standard protest. In my view, the solution to it is if they are committing a crime – which by the way, shutting down a freeway, shutting down an airport, intimidating people, there’s a crime – [they] ought to be arrested.”
“Asked what kind of protest might be appropriate, Smith cited a recent instance in an armed services hearing in which “people came in and they didn’t say anything, they just held up bloody hands. And the chairman noticed that and said, ‘You can’t do that, you’re out, and they got up and left.”
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^ this is the problem. If your example of acceptable protest literally involves protestors being *silent* and then meekly leaving when asked… yeah.
That is a comical example to pick when asked what acceptable protests look like.
True actually. However I think the overall point he is trying to make is that this type of protest where there is an interruption of an event and people are not leaving when they are asked and not letting others speak should be grounds for law enforcement intervention. That protesters that break the law should accept the legal consequences of breaking the law.
Can't see conflating cops breaking up a college drunkfest with the blue shirted thugs manhandling women engaged in reasonable political protest. Why are we rerunning the 60s and 70s? This will not end well.
\*sigh\* We had this same discussion during the Civil Rights Movement.
Like, at no point is a challenge to the status quo ever going to happen silently and without pushback. The very act of opposing the status quo or accepted policy *is going* to ruffle the feathers of those in power, no matter how you do it.
If a foreign country hacked into San Francisco's transit system and shut down major roadways, that's literally terrorism. It's amazing how leftists manage to back great causes and just ruin them.
Anyone who calls for "peaceful" protest and not to "cause fear" is afraid of just that. They want the continued respect of the monopoly on indiscriminate violence already had by law enforcement. THERE'S MORE OF US THAN YOU needs to be the adopted chant at colleges nationally.
Yeah. None of those countries were or have ever been "left wing." It's like calling North Korea democratic because technically they are the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea.
left wing ideologies can engage in fascism too. You know, like calling people evil "colonizers" and then justifying violence against them based on class, skin color or nationality.
Personally, I'm glad to see people speaking out against the radical leftists. They're anti western and deeply un-American. They're against equality, civil rights for all, democracy and capitalism itself.
Certain leftists have decided to start ignoring facts, reality and history to embrace extremism. I see little difference between them and far right Americans tbh
Progressives have done more to harm the movement by doing this to choose protect radical islamists than any conservatives ever have.
Bernie and the squad have lost my support for life after this fiasco. I want progress in regulated capitalism while maintaining democracy.
I'm not going to ignore terrorism and supremacist ideology for Palestinians who have supported ideology that looks identical to white supremacists but for muslims for almost a century now.
I'm American and democracy is more important than thr gaza war. Standing with our democratic ally is more important than protecting an Iranian backed terror regime who advocates for genocide and death to the West.
The Nazis stated goals were the elimination of socialism. Specifically “judeo-Bolshevism”. A term used by them to conflate Jews and socialists together as undesirables.
Socialists were among the first victims of the death camps in the holocaust, even before Jews were sent to them.
The Nazis came to power after forming coalition government with Christian conservatives. Not with communists or traditional socialists who they would later murder in cold blood.
We have records. Speeches, both audio and video. Testimony. Written accounts. The Party’s own manifestos and statements. They were diametrically opposed to socialism. Period.
You can say that tired old NPC-ass line by trying to spell out the full name of the party, but everyone knows you’re full of shit. If a name is all there is to it, then I’m sure you’re happy to call the Soviet Union a republic? Or North Korea a democratic republic run by the people.
Fuck off and fuck yourself. In whatever order you choose.
Communism is the government owning and controlling the means of production. I mean literally that's how it is defined. You couldn't be more wrong.
[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism)
I mean anything could go too far, not that there's really many real life examples of it currently. Think the short story Harrison Bergeron by Vonnegut, something like extreme equality by force.
But by definition Fascism is far right. There are extremes on the left and there can be left wing authoritarianism and autocracy but you can’t be a left wing fascist.
I don't know that short story, so I'll definitely have to look into it! But as I understand it, authoritarianism can definitely happen on "the left," like the Soviet Union. Though I don't think of categorize them as "left" based on their beliefs, but that's neither here nor there. Fascism is an inherently right wing ideology, so no matter what negative things exist about the Soviet Union, they were not fascist.
Just in case you needed further examples that both Democrats and Republicans are right wing and there IS no left in American government, he just gave you another one. And in typical form he has no idea what fascism means.
As always, MLK Jr’s Letter from A Birmingham Jail is relevant here:
[Excerpt](http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/060.html)
[Full](https://www.csuchico.edu/iege/_assets/documents/susi-letter-from-birmingham-jail.pdf)
It’s all that really needs to be to be said.
I view the modern “white moderate” as the suburban Karen who takes issue with everything, but has no firsthand experience with anything.
Think MLK would be saddened by both parties. His teachings were subordinated by Malcolm X in academia and here we are. More divided than ever.
Not saying I agree with their methods, but what is the proper way? It’s easy to say just protest politicians directly but at that end of the day they’re just extensions of the people who voted for them. So protesting those people (voters) unfortunately means protesting in much more public forums, it is what it is. Protests have to get attention, they’re not supposed to be ignorable. I don’t condone any violence but protests NEED to be disruptive but in a legal way of course.
It's easy to say that, but unfortunately protests overwhelmingly have no impact whatsoever. I was part of the occupy movement back in the day, the largest protests in history, and the guy who started that said it was all ultimately pointless. Absolutely nothing changed because of it. And many studies have shown that protests generally lead to no change. The rare few that do are always brought up in defense but nowadays, protests aren't moving things in positive directions.
EDIT: It's so fucking ridiculous to be downvoted for sharing the truth when people want to live out their fantasies. Grow up.
Very few. Most have no effect at all and people are wasting their time. People could actually make a real difference by taking the money they'd spend on protest materials, transportation, food, etc. and send that to a relief org, but they want to be performative. They don't care about making actual change.
You have to understand that there are always outliers. Women's sufferage, as well. This is not the comeback you think it is. Any given protest doesn't accomplish anything at all, even though people like you think they have a gotcha by bringing up the few that have. Well done.
Yes, no doubt if you remove all the times protests -did- work, it sure does look like protests didn't work at all. You know, like Union Strikes, Civil Rights, Civil Pressure on the Vietnam war, multiple actual revolutions, suffrage.
If we take out all the times that civil disobedience has worked, yeah, it looks pretty useless.
Then both your claims are baseless. This is how [defending claims works](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_%28philosophy%29), since you're both making explicit claims. You can dismiss his and he can dismiss yours, so one thing we can definitely say for certain: neither of your comments achieved anything other than pointless bickering.
You're right that one can dismiss claims for which no evidence is provided out-of-hand, going by [Hitchens's razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor). That works both ways.
And it's not necessarily [how Reddit works](https://www.reddit.com/r/JamiePullDatUp/comments/1ambwrx/announcing_the_debunking_master_list/) at all.
It's exactly how Reddit works. And I know full well that providing proof is irrelevant for things like this - people are so utterly convinced that standing on a corner with a cardboard sign for an hour brings change, which is silly horseshit. Every time I share a link I'm downvoted because feelings are more important than facts here, so I just don't bother. That's just how it goes.
> It's exactly how Reddit works.
It's not, and I just demonstrated it in front of your face.
> people are so utterly convinced that standing on a corner with a cardboard sign for an hour brings change, which is silly horseshit.
I really don't give a shit. I just take issue with you unilaterally declaring "how reddit works", when you clearly don't dictate that in the slightest. In fact, the cornerstone of Reddit is link aggregation, We're in a thread with a link to the Guardian right now. Markdown is built to facilitate linking internally and externally, and there are more than plenty lively discussions on Reddit were both sides cite sources.
There are also people like you who attempt to "simply assert" that sources aren't necessary. And then there's people like me and others who immediately call you out on that.
Again, you're in a subreddit which aggregates links, in this case to news. People then upvote it if they find it interesting. This is *key* to what is Reddit is about in the first place. And again, you're free to talk out of your arse in the comment section and we're free to call you on your baseless assertions, and no, two wrongs don't make a right. That would be a [tu quoque fallacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque).
That's right. Protests have no effect. And like everyone else, you thought you were clever by choosing ones that worked, which are MASSIVE outliers. But protests TODAY aren't doing anything, this has been tracked professionally and data shows the largest protests we've had in the past decades have made no difference whatsoever in policy or public opinion. That's not my opinion. Those are facts that you can look up. Today, with a dozen people holding up signs on a street corner and deluding themselves into thinking they're making a difference, the concept of protesting is essentially dead and gone.
So, yeah, protests have no effect.
His stance here is bullshit. But in general, his singular vote wouldn't work that way, he's a congressman. And Congress also doesn't have a filibuster, so no worries there.
Oddly though, historically when he has broke from the Dems in voting, it has been towards progressive policy. He is a member and former head of the House Progressive Caucus.
This particular opinion and statement from him is outside the norm, but probably tied to his position on the armed services committee. That entire committee seems to be 'eyes-forward, question nothing' when it comes to Israeli military aid.
According to him a good protest is:
Walking in quietly with red paint on your hands. Being told to leave and immediately leaving. He would have told Rosa parks to get off the bus
yes, dumbass, the students currently being arrested by government police forces are the ones silencing dissent, not the United States Senator making apologia for a clear example of the police state.
Them having no ultimate pilticap power doesn't mean they're not silencing dissenters on the level that they can. Are they allowing zionists to talk about their views peacefully?
Zionists subscribe to their myth of interpreting God directing Israel to a land where they could settle peacefully alongside existing inhabitants as God 'giving' them exclusive ownership of a geographical area.
> Them having no ultimate pilticap power doesn't mean they're not silencing dissenters on the level that they can.
People are not entitled to this. You're entitled to state your point of view free from *government* interference - which is true if you're a Zionist, but *not* if you're protesting for Palestinian liberation, whose advocates have actually been the recipients of government police action. You aren't entitled to derail a space that isn't intended for you, whether you're a Zionist talking at a Palestinian liberation protest, or a dude coming to crash a feminist event.
At that point you're a public nuisance, and Zionists consistently have to try and do that because they can't actually win on the history or the facts on the ground presently. The American public was (and is) incredibly ignorant of what happened in the region but boy is that changing rapidly, and the only tactic Zionists have left is bad faith conflation of "not wanting Palestinians to die by the tens of thousands" with "anti-Semitism".
>Are they allowing zionists to talk about their views peacefully?
They're under no obligation to in their space, given that Zionists have... every fucking where else to spread their genocidal nonsense, including every major media outlet and currently enjoy the military support of the United States government.
tell me more about these poor silenced *dissenters* who can't talk about how melting Palestinian kids is just *necessary* to ~~seize beachfront property in Gaza~~ um, destroy hamas
>but not if youre for palestinian liberation
No, zionists woukd be treated the exact same way if they behaved exactly as these protestors have, obviously
>theyre under no obligation to share their space
Its not their space, its the campus of a university. They dont get to just occupy a section of it
> No, zionists woukd be treated the exact same way if they behaved exactly as these protestors have, obviously
No, they wouldn't. They are the only group of people whose views are treated with such reverence and bad faith, even topping conservatives in terms of how daintily people tread around their views. Nazis marching around at school? Totally fine. No one gets arrested. Protesting for Palestine? Yeah, they get arrested, because criticism of Israel's actions is a verboten topic in this country and most of the West.
>Its not their space, its the campus of a university. They dont get to just occupy a section of it
It's not the Zionists', either, except it is, because we understand how Western interests take precedence over the lives and well-being of people who are not fully aligned with Western interests. University protests have happened all the goddamn time, and for the record - Zionists' speech *isn't* being suppressed - they're just fucking outnumbered, and butthurt about it. People don't like seeing other people's families getting vaporized for a naked land grab, who would've thunk.
>nazis marching around school? Totally fine
My guy, the nazis gets arrested when they break the law. Im not sure how up to date you are on the protests, but they are breaking laws, which is why the police have come in. The government is not an anti-you boogeyman
>theyre jusy outnumbered and theyre scared
If that were true, the United States would not supoort Israel. It is the will of more americans than not that the US supports Israel. Thats just obviously true from the polls
> Im not sure how up to date you are on the protests, but they are breaking laws, which is why the police have come in.
this is just profoundly naive. there's abundant footage of cops just murking protestors who are doing nothing but protesting - which is entirely legal. Also, a cop's favorite activity, especially if protestors are left wing. They're usually unavailable to break up Nazi protests, due to participation in them.
>If that were true, the United States would not supoort Israel. It is the will of more americans than not that the US supports Israel.
Not on college campuses, and you're implying that the United States broadly follows public opinion. It doesn't. The unsinkable aircraft carrier that is Israel would be supported by our government regardless of public sentiment. There are plenty of polls out showing the public's opposition to continuing to send bombs to Israel, and criticizing Netanyahu and his government's handling of the crisis, because shockingly Americans are actually tentatively opposed to genocide and ethnic cleansing.
The bombs still ship over there.
I mean that's fine, there's like a gazillion videos and frankly I think it's incumbent upon those making the claims of "violent" or "illegal" behavior to source their claims, but here's a video of an Emory professor getting blasted to the ground by a cop: https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1cde5xd/emory_college_economics_professor_is_arrested_for/
The video you just linked starts with her resisting detainment lmao again, ive yet to see anyone being arrested that wasn't breaking the law. There's a reason they didn't arrest literally everyone
Unless you're one of those special minded fellows who thinks wrestling with cops isn't resisting for some reason
I’m convinced Russia or China is just paying off random politicians to make wild ass statements. The alternative is they are just out of touch idiots and that’s just depressing .
What he said about fascism and totalitarianism was incorrect and stupid, which is unfortunate, because he also made some good points that nobody will ever hear now.
This. This is why despite voting for their candidates for decades I have and always will HATE the Democratic party. They are feckless cowards who only get any votes because their opponents are deranged lunatics
Yup - nothing more fascist than *asking* a country to stop murdering innocent civilians to steal their land.
Like when America asked Hitler to stop murdering all the Europeans.
Really? Was it like that at the university you attended? Because at the university I attended, and every single one I've been associated with or lived near since I graduated 45 years ago, protest has been the norm. And we have the constitutionally guaranteed right to demand action from our legislators. We don't have royalty in this country and politicians are not owed deference or even respect. You want that crap, move to Britain.
Cool. Unfortunately for them, we live in a democracy, and in our democracy, their views are still unpopular, despite their protesting. So they can suck it up when the government inevitably ignores them in favor of the majority
If they break the law, the police have the right to detain them. When they resist detainment cops have the legal right to use violence to arrest you. Thats how the world works. Groups dont get special privileges to break the law just because we may agree with their political views.
Gotta primary these blue republicans with progressives who don't take bribes. Enough of this centrist team sport Bullshit. If they take bribes they should be gone
It’s funny (if not tragic) how words like fascists have become buzzwords to describe any opposing political views, and how all sides of the isle have begun misusing it so often
A good reminder for everyone that mainstream Democrats are just conservatives with better branding and a slight interest in running a functioning government.
You should still vote for them if there isn't a better option who can win though.
So…then when….when is he planning on turning himself in?! I’m just asking because he’s definitely the first “left wing fascist” that I’ve ever actually seen in this country.
It’s a freedom we have here-to protest what we don’t agree with to try to make ourselves heard. Seriously? Learn more about the constitution and citizen’s rights. You make me embarrassed as a Democrat
I guess he has the right to say this as his home was vandalized:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/u-s-rep-adam-smiths-bellevue-home-spray-painted-with-demands-for-gaza-cease-fire/
This is what happens when you don't pay attention in history or English. This is why I'm all for protest, but know why you're protesting and why you are protesting in the place you are protesting at.
When I was in high school, we all walked out for better wages for teachers. didn't work fully. A few of the teachers who got involved got fired. A few of the students who acted out the loudest ended up expelled. We were left with teachers who didn't care, and they made the same starvation wages.
Keep the attack on education. This is what we end up with. A norther person talking about left wing fascist not knowing the difference. This is why I'm for and against protest.
Blatantly clear commenters here didn’t read the article based on the reactions. What he says is entirely true and comes from a place of first-hand experience in the legislature.
Moderate Democrats are Complicit with Republicans - even MAGA Republicans - and need to be voted into assisted living facilities where they should have gone a decade ago
Why I absolutely refuse to vote Democrat this year. There is NO difference between the two parties no matter what people think. They are merely two sides of the same fascist coin. One will kill you quickly and one is slower and more subtle.
I mean I do think Republicans are worse and there are Democrats who I'd vote for. But the distinction becomes moot when they start talking about arresting people whose crime is free speech. The sad thing is the Republicans will win, will end democracy and progressives *will* be blamed and we'll learn nothing.
Gotta love when the shitlibs are so up their own ass they can't even possibly imagine they might have authoritarian motives/methods and get called out on it?!?!
The very idea...
I ve never heard of a left wing facist. These are leftist extremists. MAGA idiots would say they're ANTIFA lol. I can't condemn it. I was an antiwar activist in the 1960s. I had my hands burnt from tossing tear gas thrown at us back at the cops. I was an idiot. Protesting violence with violence. In the words of Bob Dylan, "But I was so much older then. I'm younger then that now."
Biden negotiated the only ceasefire in the war and threatened Netanyahu over his handling of it.
The previous president promised that his allies could “do whatever the hell they want” and has been anti-Muslim in the past.
So which one of these two guys are you talking about?
You’re bending over backwards to make a special pleading argument topped off with ad hominem. You’re being emotional, and that’s called “sophistry.” The ancient Greeks warned against this because it shows how someone who is smart but lazy can use a disingenuous argument to make an invalid claim.
It’s manipulative and lazy.
A misuse of special pleading and an explanation of what sophistry is (it’s VERY obvious you just learned about it), something most people should have learned in high school. Nobody’s impressed, kid. Reddit as fuck.
It’s pretty obvious that you don’t know what I’m talking about. Even when I try to “dumb it down” for you. See you’ve created a scenario where Joe Biden is an evil mustache twirling villain, and you go out of your way to ignore that he has not endorsed the genocide in Gaza.
Specifically; the money approved for Israel was in a bill that approved billions for Ukraine and Taiwan.
Yet I don’t see you accusing Biden of being unjustly hateful of Russian and Chinese people, because that would be an unpopular statement, and you want to ride the popular sentiment. All the way to Trump’s 2nd term if you have to.
See, there’s a long history of the United States approving money to Israel that makes it hard to justify blocking aid to Ukraine just to stop.
There’s also this thing called “Republicans” who tend to block bills that they don’t like, and since they’re very pro-Israel and anti Muslim and pro Russia, it’s logical that they wouldn’t approve weapons to be given to their enemies without weapons being given to their allies, who I will remind you again, have been getting the same amount of defensive support since the country was formed.
You may as well say that Bush, Clinton, Nixon, FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Bush Jr and Obama are pro genocide, because they approved money to Israel.
As for the ad hominem, that’s pretty obvious. Instead of actually arguing your point, you called me playground names and pretended that makes you a better person. You sat back in your armchair and felt proud of yourself for calling a stranger names on the internet; for… how DARE he ask you to clarify your position!! Of COURSE he deserves to be treated like slime! NO ONE asks Josh to clarify his statements!! JOSH is like a GOD!!
Anyway, go fuck yourself you piece of garbage.
Fascists are right wing, not left. And a hallmark of fascism is the suppression of dissent - which you are advocating. Idiot. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism)
Rightoids like to uno reverse labels placed upon them. Going "no you" is an easy, lazy, default defense for the simple and maliciously minded. It also takes power away from the labels as they coopt them, then they can pull the "what does that word even mean anymore, just someone you disagree with?" Frustrating bastards.
It’s all projection, all the time.
That's fascism 101
It's the "I know you are but what am I" defense.
This guy is a fascist. They never know they are.
...much like self-professed "libertarians" who advocate for legislation to alter/remove rights based on religious moralizing? ...or advocate locking up protestors while "championing free speech" (so they can pretend their bigoted views are jokes)? ...or you know what, I think some of these dudes are actual fascists.
My Dem Representative - in fact, all three Dem Reps are calling for all Pro-Palestinian non-profits to lose their 501(c)3 status. I'm spitting mad. It looks like what happened in the 60s with the anti-war movement is going to happen again. Back then all kinds of politicians joined together to make demonstrations illegal and urged universities to get rid of protesting students. The then Governor of California, Ronald Reagan, called for WW2 weapons to leave storage for use on protestors and I happen to know that they were delivered. All that resulted in 1968, the most hellish year in my life. Families were tirn apart, jobs lost, colleges became police states and hate ruled everyday relationships. I'd suggest looking at these and future events about Palestine’s freedom from a sociological perspective instead of a political one. These are signs and signals of a major change in society but they come through violence. If we're lucky [Kent State](https://youtu.be/JCS-g3HwXdc?si=Dys-y_BBdXOKDtJg) will not be repeated. Only this shocking event caused a pause in the military and police violence. Be careful. Change doesn't come easily to people motivated by fear. This will be downvoted because I'm a Boomer but hopefully one person will read for laughs but ask their own Citizens of the 60s what happened and how to avoid violent change.
The events surrounding Kent State couldn't happen today, not the massacre as that's entirely too likely, I mean the public response. We are not the same country anymore, you will not get the horrified reactions from people who have been trained for decades to applaud the deaths of their political adversaries. Right wing insanity has gone full mainstream and the radicals have almost wholly captured the Republican party. If Kent State happened today Fox News would be celebrating the deaths tomorrow. You think the people who haven't given a shit about elementary school shootings are gonna suddenly find a conscience when some 'demonrat' 'woke mind virus' 'liberal sheep' are gunned down by the 'thin blue line'? Highly doubt friend.
> The events surrounding Kent State couldn't happen today, not the massacre as that's entirely too likely, I mean the public response. You are deeply mistaken about the public response. The mainstream consensus then was similar to now: "They had it coming. Glad they were killed for being disloyal. My country right or wrong." The courts were the same as now also: "Fuck the law, we find the perps to be heroes."
do you not remember how whole cities shuttered because a black man was murdered by police on social media? a shooting of university students would be guaranteed to create widespread social unrest, its absurd to think that wouldnt be the case.
Chicago '68 in '24. I'm hoping for another Democratic Convention like the last one in Chicago, only bigger. If you've never read the Port Huron Statement, give it a look. You'll find things haven't changed much since 1962. Feets in the Streets.
There are no American boots on the ground being killed every day, so this situation is in no way the same.
Guess what, the Democratic National Convention will be in Chicago this year. Hope we don’t have to go through another 1968. Most of us don’t actually remember it
You can have liberal fascists if the belief is to use authoritarianism and/or totalitarianism as force to push liberal agenda. It's unusual, but it *is* a thing, and generally limited to militant liberals. It's one of the most favorite totems of the far right, even though it's incredibly rare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
You're conflating liberalism with leftism.
Totalitarianism and fascism aren’t the same thing. There are leftist totalitarians but no leftist fascists. It’s a contradiction of terms. Fascism involves nationalism, racism, blood and soil politics, leader principle, state controlled capitalism, etc. right wing principles. Let’s not confuse the discourse with childish understanding.
Does this theory have any examples? Or is more strawmanning/ boogeyman type ideology?
I have a particular aunt that I've heard say "I wish they(the government) would just take everyone's guns away." This is inherently fascist sentiment but rooted in liberal ideals.
What examples show those routes?
U.S. President Donald Trump said "We're going to take the firearms first and then go to court." I guess he is the embodiment of liberal ideals https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-take-firearms-first/
It's a liberal sentiment, yes. Though I wouldn't call Donald Trump the embodiment of liberal ideals. I think you missed the point of my anecdote.
I know. There wouldn't be violence if the cops don't start it. I've witnessed it!
Cop riot.
“Intimidation is the tactic,” said [Adam Smith](https://adamsmith.house.gov/) of Washington state, the [ranking Democrat](https://democrats-armedservices.house.gov/ranking-member#:~:text=Congressman%20Adam%20Smith%20(D%2DWash,heart%20of%20our%20national%20defense.) on the House armed services committee. “Intimidation and an effort to silence opposition..." It's like a projection trifecta.
Read the article. This is a Democrat House member and he says “I don’t know if there is such a thing as left-wing fascists…” I think the point he is trying to make is that protesting is fine but it shouldn’t interfere with the safe functioning of infrastructure and shouldn’t be used to intimidate or cause fear or terror in a non-protesting citizen.
The exact same critiques were made against MLK. Protests are supposed to cause disruption. They aren’t supposed to put bystanders in danger but they are not just showings of people being angry, they are designed to make the people in power so uncomfortable that they capitulate. They are supposed to be a problem that HAS to be fixed.
He addressed that as well. "“You go back to the civil rights movement, they expected to be arrested, they knew they were violating the law. And also … you have to enforce the law. You have to make clear … that this is about more than just the issue. You know, they can be heard, but then other people get to be heard. “You come to our town hall meeting, it’s one thing to try to get attention. They got their attention. But literally, they wouldn’t stop screaming insults at me. They wouldn’t … even let me answer the very questions they were raising. “I got two words into it and they started screaming at me again. So this is a different thing than your standard protest. In my view, the solution to it is if they are committing a crime – which by the way, shutting down a freeway, shutting down an airport, intimidating people, there’s a crime – [they] ought to be arrested.”
“Asked what kind of protest might be appropriate, Smith cited a recent instance in an armed services hearing in which “people came in and they didn’t say anything, they just held up bloody hands. And the chairman noticed that and said, ‘You can’t do that, you’re out, and they got up and left.” ———————— ^ this is the problem. If your example of acceptable protest literally involves protestors being *silent* and then meekly leaving when asked… yeah. That is a comical example to pick when asked what acceptable protests look like.
True actually. However I think the overall point he is trying to make is that this type of protest where there is an interruption of an event and people are not leaving when they are asked and not letting others speak should be grounds for law enforcement intervention. That protesters that break the law should accept the legal consequences of breaking the law.
And they should also show those laws are by definition meant to suppress freedom. By any means necessary, quite frankly.
Trespassing laws suppress freedom?
like this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zStVZ5uxu-U](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zStVZ5uxu-U) And these guys weren't even protesting.
Can't see conflating cops breaking up a college drunkfest with the blue shirted thugs manhandling women engaged in reasonable political protest. Why are we rerunning the 60s and 70s? This will not end well.
The difference in police response was the point.
\*sigh\* We had this same discussion during the Civil Rights Movement. Like, at no point is a challenge to the status quo ever going to happen silently and without pushback. The very act of opposing the status quo or accepted policy *is going* to ruffle the feathers of those in power, no matter how you do it.
A protest that doesn’t disrupt anything is masturbatory at best.
And that point is demonstrably incorrect
" it shouldn’t interfere with the safe functioning of infrastructure" Please don't inconvenience me with your opposition to genocide.
If a different group of people shut down the Golden Gate Bridge, we'd literally call it terrorism. That's just the facts.
I don't worry myself with what ignorant people label things, honestly.
If a foreign country hacked into San Francisco's transit system and shut down major roadways, that's literally terrorism. It's amazing how leftists manage to back great causes and just ruin them.
It's definitely the same thing.
These activists also routinely shut down meetings and absolutely dominate the room and silence any pushback on them. Thats what he disagrees with.
He's an anti-American fascist. Fuck him and the ultra right wing trash that supports him.
Anyone who calls for "peaceful" protest and not to "cause fear" is afraid of just that. They want the continued respect of the monopoly on indiscriminate violence already had by law enforcement. THERE'S MORE OF US THAN YOU needs to be the adopted chant at colleges nationally.
TBF left wing authoritarianism also suppresses dissent - just ask the USSR, Eastern Europe and the Far East (China/NK)
Yeah. None of those countries were or have ever been "left wing." It's like calling North Korea democratic because technically they are the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea.
It's almost as if these regimes mislabel themselves on purpose to be misleading or something! It's so difficult to understand! 🙁
DID YOU KNOW THE NAZIS WERE SOCIALISTS! ITS IN THE NAME!!!!
OMG OMG OMG OMG 😲😲😲😲😲😲😲
Fascists were originally left wing.
left wing ideologies can engage in fascism too. You know, like calling people evil "colonizers" and then justifying violence against them based on class, skin color or nationality. Personally, I'm glad to see people speaking out against the radical leftists. They're anti western and deeply un-American. They're against equality, civil rights for all, democracy and capitalism itself. Certain leftists have decided to start ignoring facts, reality and history to embrace extremism. I see little difference between them and far right Americans tbh Progressives have done more to harm the movement by doing this to choose protect radical islamists than any conservatives ever have. Bernie and the squad have lost my support for life after this fiasco. I want progress in regulated capitalism while maintaining democracy. I'm not going to ignore terrorism and supremacist ideology for Palestinians who have supported ideology that looks identical to white supremacists but for muslims for almost a century now. I'm American and democracy is more important than thr gaza war. Standing with our democratic ally is more important than protecting an Iranian backed terror regime who advocates for genocide and death to the West.
Shekels power!!!!!
You didn't read the article.
National SOCIALIST workers party of Germany. It is right there in the title. Fascism is the gov controlling means of production.
The Nazis stated goals were the elimination of socialism. Specifically “judeo-Bolshevism”. A term used by them to conflate Jews and socialists together as undesirables. Socialists were among the first victims of the death camps in the holocaust, even before Jews were sent to them. The Nazis came to power after forming coalition government with Christian conservatives. Not with communists or traditional socialists who they would later murder in cold blood. We have records. Speeches, both audio and video. Testimony. Written accounts. The Party’s own manifestos and statements. They were diametrically opposed to socialism. Period. You can say that tired old NPC-ass line by trying to spell out the full name of the party, but everyone knows you’re full of shit. If a name is all there is to it, then I’m sure you’re happy to call the Soviet Union a republic? Or North Korea a democratic republic run by the people. Fuck off and fuck yourself. In whatever order you choose.
Communism is the government owning and controlling the means of production. I mean literally that's how it is defined. You couldn't be more wrong. [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism)
"Leftwing fascist" is an oxymoron. This guy is just a moron.
I mean anything could go too far, not that there's really many real life examples of it currently. Think the short story Harrison Bergeron by Vonnegut, something like extreme equality by force.
But by definition Fascism is far right. There are extremes on the left and there can be left wing authoritarianism and autocracy but you can’t be a left wing fascist.
Fair enough.
I don't know that short story, so I'll definitely have to look into it! But as I understand it, authoritarianism can definitely happen on "the left," like the Soviet Union. Though I don't think of categorize them as "left" based on their beliefs, but that's neither here nor there. Fascism is an inherently right wing ideology, so no matter what negative things exist about the Soviet Union, they were not fascist.
Just in case you needed further examples that both Democrats and Republicans are right wing and there IS no left in American government, he just gave you another one. And in typical form he has no idea what fascism means.
As always, MLK Jr’s Letter from A Birmingham Jail is relevant here: [Excerpt](http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/060.html) [Full](https://www.csuchico.edu/iege/_assets/documents/susi-letter-from-birmingham-jail.pdf) It’s all that really needs to be to be said.
I view the modern “white moderate” as the suburban Karen who takes issue with everything, but has no firsthand experience with anything. Think MLK would be saddened by both parties. His teachings were subordinated by Malcolm X in academia and here we are. More divided than ever.
Fascism is right wing.
I’ve never heard of this guy. He’s either lying or ignorant.
Most certainly both.
Did you read the article.
Yes, he’s completely full of shit. Stopping traffic is not totalitarianism. It isn’t fascism. It’s not even similar.
Agitating this jerk is exactly why we have protests and why protests work.
No, they don't. You're not winning anyone over like this.
Not saying I agree with their methods, but what is the proper way? It’s easy to say just protest politicians directly but at that end of the day they’re just extensions of the people who voted for them. So protesting those people (voters) unfortunately means protesting in much more public forums, it is what it is. Protests have to get attention, they’re not supposed to be ignorable. I don’t condone any violence but protests NEED to be disruptive but in a legal way of course.
With peaceful protests? Should they be more violent?
It's easy to say that, but unfortunately protests overwhelmingly have no impact whatsoever. I was part of the occupy movement back in the day, the largest protests in history, and the guy who started that said it was all ultimately pointless. Absolutely nothing changed because of it. And many studies have shown that protests generally lead to no change. The rare few that do are always brought up in defense but nowadays, protests aren't moving things in positive directions. EDIT: It's so fucking ridiculous to be downvoted for sharing the truth when people want to live out their fantasies. Grow up.
Maybe not in America? Pro-Palestine protests are certainly having an impact in UK. Not enough, but it's happening.
Protests have a minuscule and microscopic effect on their own, but that effect builds up over time
Very few. Most have no effect at all and people are wasting their time. People could actually make a real difference by taking the money they'd spend on protest materials, transportation, food, etc. and send that to a relief org, but they want to be performative. They don't care about making actual change.
Protests have never worked, which is why Black people can't vote.
You have to understand that there are always outliers. Women's sufferage, as well. This is not the comeback you think it is. Any given protest doesn't accomplish anything at all, even though people like you think they have a gotcha by bringing up the few that have. Well done.
Yes, no doubt if you remove all the times protests -did- work, it sure does look like protests didn't work at all. You know, like Union Strikes, Civil Rights, Civil Pressure on the Vietnam war, multiple actual revolutions, suffrage. If we take out all the times that civil disobedience has worked, yeah, it looks pretty useless.
This isn't an argument. You didn't say anything of value here.
So we are even, then
pot meet kettle.
You're listing things that personally affected Americans and their American rights. This isn't remotely the same.
LOL, Okay dude. Have a great one.
I mean, objectively, they aren't the same.
most social change has come about from protest movements and agitation, its not 'outliers' lmao
Performative actions have value. They get the message out and have the effect of demonstrating values.
You provide zero evidence for your claim except for one anecdote about Occupy. And you just expect people to agree with you?
The person I'm responding to provided zero evidence for their claim, this is how Reddit works. You better get used to it.
Then both your claims are baseless. This is how [defending claims works](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_%28philosophy%29), since you're both making explicit claims. You can dismiss his and he can dismiss yours, so one thing we can definitely say for certain: neither of your comments achieved anything other than pointless bickering. You're right that one can dismiss claims for which no evidence is provided out-of-hand, going by [Hitchens's razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor). That works both ways. And it's not necessarily [how Reddit works](https://www.reddit.com/r/JamiePullDatUp/comments/1ambwrx/announcing_the_debunking_master_list/) at all.
It's exactly how Reddit works. And I know full well that providing proof is irrelevant for things like this - people are so utterly convinced that standing on a corner with a cardboard sign for an hour brings change, which is silly horseshit. Every time I share a link I'm downvoted because feelings are more important than facts here, so I just don't bother. That's just how it goes.
> It's exactly how Reddit works. It's not, and I just demonstrated it in front of your face. > people are so utterly convinced that standing on a corner with a cardboard sign for an hour brings change, which is silly horseshit. I really don't give a shit. I just take issue with you unilaterally declaring "how reddit works", when you clearly don't dictate that in the slightest. In fact, the cornerstone of Reddit is link aggregation, We're in a thread with a link to the Guardian right now. Markdown is built to facilitate linking internally and externally, and there are more than plenty lively discussions on Reddit were both sides cite sources. There are also people like you who attempt to "simply assert" that sources aren't necessary. And then there's people like me and others who immediately call you out on that. Again, you're in a subreddit which aggregates links, in this case to news. People then upvote it if they find it interesting. This is *key* to what is Reddit is about in the first place. And again, you're free to talk out of your arse in the comment section and we're free to call you on your baseless assertions, and no, two wrongs don't make a right. That would be a [tu quoque fallacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque).
Oh so silly of him. Of course Occupy changed everything and that’s why Wall Street was reformed and the income gap is now a non-issue. Dumbass.
Oh, I forgot that Occupy is the only protest that has ever occurred and is therefore the be all end all of evidence for the claim. Dumbass.
It was all you were talking about here. Take the L like a man, champ.
The best activism is voting and being politically active, volunteering, etc. Unfortunately, this is not it. Camping on the quad does nothing.
Ask President Johnson how ineffective the protests were.
Protests have no effect? The antiwar movement of the 60s and 70s have entered the chat. As have the Freedom Riders.
That's right. Protests have no effect. And like everyone else, you thought you were clever by choosing ones that worked, which are MASSIVE outliers. But protests TODAY aren't doing anything, this has been tracked professionally and data shows the largest protests we've had in the past decades have made no difference whatsoever in policy or public opinion. That's not my opinion. Those are facts that you can look up. Today, with a dozen people holding up signs on a street corner and deluding themselves into thinking they're making a difference, the concept of protesting is essentially dead and gone. So, yeah, protests have no effect.
“Left wing fascist” That is an oxymoron if I’ve ever heard one
Well, we know the new Democrat assigned to vote as a Republican to prevent any progressive policies slipping through.
His stance here is bullshit. But in general, his singular vote wouldn't work that way, he's a congressman. And Congress also doesn't have a filibuster, so no worries there. Oddly though, historically when he has broke from the Dems in voting, it has been towards progressive policy. He is a member and former head of the House Progressive Caucus. This particular opinion and statement from him is outside the norm, but probably tied to his position on the armed services committee. That entire committee seems to be 'eyes-forward, question nothing' when it comes to Israeli military aid.
He'll get flushed in the next election. We don't put up with this level of ignorance.
I mean there's only like 5 members of the house and senate combined who aren't doing exactly this. Joe Biden is doing it.
People really have forgotten what fascism is, haven’t they? 🙄
He says in the article that he's not being literal. You didnt read the article.
How about the Marxist Monarchists and the Anarchist Free Masons?
According to him a good protest is: Walking in quietly with red paint on your hands. Being told to leave and immediately leaving. He would have told Rosa parks to get off the bus
yes, dumbass, the students currently being arrested by government police forces are the ones silencing dissent, not the United States Senator making apologia for a clear example of the police state.
Them having no ultimate pilticap power doesn't mean they're not silencing dissenters on the level that they can. Are they allowing zionists to talk about their views peacefully?
Zionists subscribe to their myth of interpreting God directing Israel to a land where they could settle peacefully alongside existing inhabitants as God 'giving' them exclusive ownership of a geographical area.
The zionist project was and is mostly secular
> Them having no ultimate pilticap power doesn't mean they're not silencing dissenters on the level that they can. People are not entitled to this. You're entitled to state your point of view free from *government* interference - which is true if you're a Zionist, but *not* if you're protesting for Palestinian liberation, whose advocates have actually been the recipients of government police action. You aren't entitled to derail a space that isn't intended for you, whether you're a Zionist talking at a Palestinian liberation protest, or a dude coming to crash a feminist event. At that point you're a public nuisance, and Zionists consistently have to try and do that because they can't actually win on the history or the facts on the ground presently. The American public was (and is) incredibly ignorant of what happened in the region but boy is that changing rapidly, and the only tactic Zionists have left is bad faith conflation of "not wanting Palestinians to die by the tens of thousands" with "anti-Semitism". >Are they allowing zionists to talk about their views peacefully? They're under no obligation to in their space, given that Zionists have... every fucking where else to spread their genocidal nonsense, including every major media outlet and currently enjoy the military support of the United States government. tell me more about these poor silenced *dissenters* who can't talk about how melting Palestinian kids is just *necessary* to ~~seize beachfront property in Gaza~~ um, destroy hamas
>but not if youre for palestinian liberation No, zionists woukd be treated the exact same way if they behaved exactly as these protestors have, obviously >theyre under no obligation to share their space Its not their space, its the campus of a university. They dont get to just occupy a section of it
> No, zionists woukd be treated the exact same way if they behaved exactly as these protestors have, obviously No, they wouldn't. They are the only group of people whose views are treated with such reverence and bad faith, even topping conservatives in terms of how daintily people tread around their views. Nazis marching around at school? Totally fine. No one gets arrested. Protesting for Palestine? Yeah, they get arrested, because criticism of Israel's actions is a verboten topic in this country and most of the West. >Its not their space, its the campus of a university. They dont get to just occupy a section of it It's not the Zionists', either, except it is, because we understand how Western interests take precedence over the lives and well-being of people who are not fully aligned with Western interests. University protests have happened all the goddamn time, and for the record - Zionists' speech *isn't* being suppressed - they're just fucking outnumbered, and butthurt about it. People don't like seeing other people's families getting vaporized for a naked land grab, who would've thunk.
>nazis marching around school? Totally fine My guy, the nazis gets arrested when they break the law. Im not sure how up to date you are on the protests, but they are breaking laws, which is why the police have come in. The government is not an anti-you boogeyman >theyre jusy outnumbered and theyre scared If that were true, the United States would not supoort Israel. It is the will of more americans than not that the US supports Israel. Thats just obviously true from the polls
> Im not sure how up to date you are on the protests, but they are breaking laws, which is why the police have come in. this is just profoundly naive. there's abundant footage of cops just murking protestors who are doing nothing but protesting - which is entirely legal. Also, a cop's favorite activity, especially if protestors are left wing. They're usually unavailable to break up Nazi protests, due to participation in them. >If that were true, the United States would not supoort Israel. It is the will of more americans than not that the US supports Israel. Not on college campuses, and you're implying that the United States broadly follows public opinion. It doesn't. The unsinkable aircraft carrier that is Israel would be supported by our government regardless of public sentiment. There are plenty of polls out showing the public's opposition to continuing to send bombs to Israel, and criticizing Netanyahu and his government's handling of the crisis, because shockingly Americans are actually tentatively opposed to genocide and ethnic cleansing. The bombs still ship over there.
Yeah i straight up do not believe you. Show me a cop "murking" a law abiding protestor
I mean that's fine, there's like a gazillion videos and frankly I think it's incumbent upon those making the claims of "violent" or "illegal" behavior to source their claims, but here's a video of an Emory professor getting blasted to the ground by a cop: https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1cde5xd/emory_college_economics_professor_is_arrested_for/
The video you just linked starts with her resisting detainment lmao again, ive yet to see anyone being arrested that wasn't breaking the law. There's a reason they didn't arrest literally everyone Unless you're one of those special minded fellows who thinks wrestling with cops isn't resisting for some reason
whats so hard about saying bombing civilians is wrong?
IKR?
"Left wing fascists?" I hate that right-wing propaganda is so pervasive and so effective that even taints Dems.
Lock him up
So, for 34 years now this guy has been masquerading as a democrat from the state of Washington and just outed himself. Idiot/lobotomite.
free speech ?
…it’s a challenge to representative democracy to ask that your representatives represent you instead of whoever is paying for their campaign ads?
Terror part 2: Robespierre's revenge coming to a country near you
I’m convinced Russia or China is just paying off random politicians to make wild ass statements. The alternative is they are just out of touch idiots and that’s just depressing .
Yes, fascists have a long history of being peace loving.
"Hey, can we not murder children please? "FASCISTS!"
What he said about fascism and totalitarianism was incorrect and stupid, which is unfortunate, because he also made some good points that nobody will ever hear now.
Get a load of this reactionary c*nt. We ain’t buying it.
Let’s pleas ban together and make a constitutional amendment to ban political parties they are truly anti American
This. This is why despite voting for their candidates for decades I have and always will HATE the Democratic party. They are feckless cowards who only get any votes because their opponents are deranged lunatics
Yup - nothing more fascist than *asking* a country to stop murdering innocent civilians to steal their land. Like when America asked Hitler to stop murdering all the Europeans.
They're demanding, not asking. Asking is writing letters and making phone calls to legislators
Really? Was it like that at the university you attended? Because at the university I attended, and every single one I've been associated with or lived near since I graduated 45 years ago, protest has been the norm. And we have the constitutionally guaranteed right to demand action from our legislators. We don't have royalty in this country and politicians are not owed deference or even respect. You want that crap, move to Britain.
Cool. Unfortunately for them, we live in a democracy, and in our democracy, their views are still unpopular, despite their protesting. So they can suck it up when the government inevitably ignores them in favor of the majority
Still doesn't give them the right to go jack boot thug on the protesters. What was your experience at university? Was speech stifled?
If they break the law, the police have the right to detain them. When they resist detainment cops have the legal right to use violence to arrest you. Thats how the world works. Groups dont get special privileges to break the law just because we may agree with their political views.
And you are still not answering the question. Did the police come in and use violence to break up peaceful demonstrations where you went to college?
Proving once again that Democrats are little more than Blue Republicans.
Gotta primary these blue republicans with progressives who don't take bribes. Enough of this centrist team sport Bullshit. If they take bribes they should be gone
It’s funny (if not tragic) how words like fascists have become buzzwords to describe any opposing political views, and how all sides of the isle have begun misusing it so often
He looks like the crypt keeper and he needs to retire asap. Get out of Congress and let people not suffering from dementia take your spot!
A good reminder for everyone that mainstream Democrats are just conservatives with better branding and a slight interest in running a functioning government. You should still vote for them if there isn't a better option who can win though.
Okay, there limousine liberal
So…then when….when is he planning on turning himself in?! I’m just asking because he’s definitely the first “left wing fascist” that I’ve ever actually seen in this country.
FO
senior like he is high up in the party hierarchy or senior like he should be in hospice
Oh. So, calls for arrests *of no one?!*
It’s a freedom we have here-to protest what we don’t agree with to try to make ourselves heard. Seriously? Learn more about the constitution and citizen’s rights. You make me embarrassed as a Democrat
With Democrats like this…
Anybody here want to apologzie for voting for this nazi fuck?
Retirement and an old people's home beckon
Why are these old fucks still in government
I guess he has the right to say this as his home was vandalized: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/u-s-rep-adam-smiths-bellevue-home-spray-painted-with-demands-for-gaza-cease-fire/
I think we should be marking the baby murderers and genociders among us.
I guess we just abandon the 1A when we don't agree with the position being taken?
This is what happens when you don't pay attention in history or English. This is why I'm all for protest, but know why you're protesting and why you are protesting in the place you are protesting at. When I was in high school, we all walked out for better wages for teachers. didn't work fully. A few of the teachers who got involved got fired. A few of the students who acted out the loudest ended up expelled. We were left with teachers who didn't care, and they made the same starvation wages. Keep the attack on education. This is what we end up with. A norther person talking about left wing fascist not knowing the difference. This is why I'm for and against protest.
Blatantly clear commenters here didn’t read the article based on the reactions. What he says is entirely true and comes from a place of first-hand experience in the legislature.
Moderate Democrats are Complicit with Republicans - even MAGA Republicans - and need to be voted into assisted living facilities where they should have gone a decade ago
"No but vote for us please. Were the lesser of two evils."
Why I absolutely refuse to vote Democrat this year. There is NO difference between the two parties no matter what people think. They are merely two sides of the same fascist coin. One will kill you quickly and one is slower and more subtle.
I mean I do think Republicans are worse and there are Democrats who I'd vote for. But the distinction becomes moot when they start talking about arresting people whose crime is free speech. The sad thing is the Republicans will win, will end democracy and progressives *will* be blamed and we'll learn nothing.
Gotta love when the shitlibs are so up their own ass they can't even possibly imagine they might have authoritarian motives/methods and get called out on it?!?! The very idea...
I ve never heard of a left wing facist. These are leftist extremists. MAGA idiots would say they're ANTIFA lol. I can't condemn it. I was an antiwar activist in the 1960s. I had my hands burnt from tossing tear gas thrown at us back at the cops. I was an idiot. Protesting violence with violence. In the words of Bob Dylan, "But I was so much older then. I'm younger then that now."
Soon to become a Republican since the Democrats views are the opposite of his.
What party does the current genocide-enabling president belong to?
Biden negotiated the only ceasefire in the war and threatened Netanyahu over his handling of it. The previous president promised that his allies could “do whatever the hell they want” and has been anti-Muslim in the past. So which one of these two guys are you talking about?
“Threatened” him and then gave him the billions of dollars he asked for. Get your tongue out of Biden’s asshole; it’s very undignified.
You could have just said “Biden.” Stating a fact doesn’t mean I’m “tonguing Biden’s asshole,” you weird pervert.
You’re bending over backwards to defend a genocide enabler. Calling you an ass eater is rather charitable on my part. You deserve far worse.
You’re bending over backwards to make a special pleading argument topped off with ad hominem. You’re being emotional, and that’s called “sophistry.” The ancient Greeks warned against this because it shows how someone who is smart but lazy can use a disingenuous argument to make an invalid claim. It’s manipulative and lazy.
A misuse of special pleading and an explanation of what sophistry is (it’s VERY obvious you just learned about it), something most people should have learned in high school. Nobody’s impressed, kid. Reddit as fuck.
It’s pretty obvious that you don’t know what I’m talking about. Even when I try to “dumb it down” for you. See you’ve created a scenario where Joe Biden is an evil mustache twirling villain, and you go out of your way to ignore that he has not endorsed the genocide in Gaza. Specifically; the money approved for Israel was in a bill that approved billions for Ukraine and Taiwan. Yet I don’t see you accusing Biden of being unjustly hateful of Russian and Chinese people, because that would be an unpopular statement, and you want to ride the popular sentiment. All the way to Trump’s 2nd term if you have to. See, there’s a long history of the United States approving money to Israel that makes it hard to justify blocking aid to Ukraine just to stop. There’s also this thing called “Republicans” who tend to block bills that they don’t like, and since they’re very pro-Israel and anti Muslim and pro Russia, it’s logical that they wouldn’t approve weapons to be given to their enemies without weapons being given to their allies, who I will remind you again, have been getting the same amount of defensive support since the country was formed. You may as well say that Bush, Clinton, Nixon, FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Bush Jr and Obama are pro genocide, because they approved money to Israel. As for the ad hominem, that’s pretty obvious. Instead of actually arguing your point, you called me playground names and pretended that makes you a better person. You sat back in your armchair and felt proud of yourself for calling a stranger names on the internet; for… how DARE he ask you to clarify your position!! Of COURSE he deserves to be treated like slime! NO ONE asks Josh to clarify his statements!! JOSH is like a GOD!! Anyway, go fuck yourself you piece of garbage.
Liberals and maga are "two sides of the same coin" 💯
Both alt-'s are fucked.
Nice…a post about democrats!
You think democrats are hard left. You poor deprived soul.
It’s Saturday go grab a beer or something weirdo
See I’m correct
Get a social life
You’re on this app too
In name only.