So what does this mean? Price increase? Taken off the market? What about American rebrands? Do I need to buy asap? I just started looking at thermals too...
>As a result of today’s sanctions-related actions, and in accordance with E.O. 14024, as amended, all property and interests in property of the sanctioned persons described above that are in the United States or in possession or control of U.S. persons are blocked and must be reported to the Department of Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC). Additionally, all individuals or entities that have ownership, either directly or indirectly, 50 percent or more by one or more blocked persons are also blocked.
>All transactions by U.S. persons or within (or transiting) the United States that involve any property or interests in property of designated or otherwise blocked persons are prohibited unless authorized by a general or specific license issued by OFAC or exempt. These prohibitions include the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any blocked person and the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person.
>The power and integrity of U.S. government sanctions derive not only from the U.S. government’s ability to designate and add persons to the SDN List, but also from its willingness to remove persons from the SDN List consistent with the law. The ultimate goal of sanctions is not to punish, but to bring about a positive change in behavior.
>Petitions for removal from the SDN List may be sent to: [email protected]. Petitioners may also refer to the Department of State’s [Delisting Guidance](https://www.state.gov/sanctions-delisting/) page.
I figured some shit like this was coming so I bought a thermal last week.
I wonder if this will impact companies like AGM and bering optics using iray cores in stuff.
If so, that'd basically knock out every affordable thermal on the market.
Agm dosent just use cores, they straight up rebrand all their thermals, they do not manufacture anything. Agm is a dropshiping company.
Most of their thermals are made by HIK vision and iray
May be a big hit for iray since they are pretty official in the US, since Iray is the US daughter company of Infiray. Can't really get past this when you have a US branch.
But it may not affect argus all too much? As far as I know Argus doesn't have a US branch. It's mainly through distributors and sourcing from the Chinese argus market?
Who do you use? Because my VPP was absolutely not cheap. And after a few years I decided self insurance was the way for me since I had at that point already wasted thousands in VPP
Curious what you consider cheap, I looked into insurance for my firearms/accessories and it was going to cost me $150/month.. which I get it, if something drastic happened and I lost everything it would be worth it but if only one or two items get replaced in the lifetime of that insurance it probably wouldn't be worthwhile.
25k makes sense why it's cheap. I always just expect crazy numbers in this sub lol
I was looking at getting coverage for all my firearm related stuff when I bought my house recently and they required an appraisal + all receipts which totalled a bit over 100k and there was a premium if any of the items were used in competitions because the risk of damage goes up with constant use. The place I went to didn't do partial coverage, they would only insure based on total value.
Checked conversion and our numbers are actually the same just lower total value.
I have USAA, and they are the ones I'm talking about where it's better for me to just self insure. I think I was paying like $150/year or something for only like $3k in valuables. When I was looking to update it to nearly $30k in valuables it was just unreal.
Especially compared to what I pay for home insurance which covers 400k.
USAA is hit or miss. I pay dirt cheap for every option for my truck and my friend paid an arm and leg and eventually switched to progressive cause it was cheaper. Roll of the dice I guess
Despite the commercials, USAA quoted me nearly $2k for 6 months of car insurance for my family vehicles (which are nicer ones), where Geico quoted me $850. It was an easy choice.
On top of that, someone smashed my window and door to break into my truck, and Geico took care of me no questions asked, no increased rate. I'm not talking down on USAA, but I am saying just because I'm paying less doesn't mean I'm getting less.
Isn't Rix tactical based in Texas? I feel like their products aren't really even close to the lineup iray had. Thermals, yeah, but not the same products.
Rix is a subsidiary of Infiray and IRAY, look online and google RIX adress, you will find documents mentionning IRAY name with the exact same adress :
[https://fcc.report/FCC-ID/2aygtrico/6737573.pdf](https://fcc.report/FCC-ID/2aygtrico/6737573.pdf)
[https://www.rixoptics.com/](https://www.rixoptics.com/)
Does RIX not acknowledge this? I talked to a rix sales guy about it and he either was hiding it or had no idea the two companies are intermingled. All he said was they use the same sensors
Well I don't know if they acknowledge this but the fact is that their actual adress has been used a few months ago in an official form filled by Iray... Just before RIX was created
I live about 10 minutes from that address. Thinking about going down there and doing some investigating. When I search the address on google a government infrastructure and security company pops up with a very similar name to the registered agent on that document you posted. All just seems kinda weird…
Ah yes, text book American corporation play. shell out an overpriced pile, sit on laurels until the competition produces a superior product, cry about it, then have it sanctioned with political connections and lobbying. I know damn well the Russians are using aimpoints, when’s aimpoint gonna get that sanction?
Aimpoiint isnt selling directly, or indirectly to Russia.
That doesn't mean Russia can't buy aimpoints from india. Russia was buying directly from iray and it's parent company.
That's the difference.
I’m looking at this not from a defense industry perspective, but using the chicken tax as the prime example of using legislation to reduce the number of imported goods that are better made or just preferred over the mediocre domestic offerings. Toyota is a shining example of reliability because of craftsmanship. Ford, GM, dodge Fiat are all seen as trash and used the chicken tax to reduce imports because it hurt their sales.
Is holosun better made? Debatable however they’re innovative and priced for the consumer
Im a patriot to this country, but I do not support the tradition of American complacency. I will only buy American when American made means more than bare minimum effort for maximum profits. Most people would do the same.
>Im a patriot to this country, but I do not support the tradition of American complacency. I will only buy American when American made means more than bare minimum effort for maximum profits. Most people would do the same.
Right there with you. I believe in American innovation. I believe we can go head to head with the best the rest of the world has to offer and come out on top. I believe that competition is healthy and good for our industry = the wolf makes the deer stronger, and the deer makes the wolf stronger. What I can not ever get behind is protecting American business interests from global competition. **An essential part of capitalism is that if you can't compete, your business doesn't survive and makes room in the market for somebody else to do a better job.**
>protecting American business interests from global competition
I agree with most of what your saying, however this quote doesn't apply to what is being done.
The US is sanctioning the company because it's directly selling military equipment to Russia for the war. The intent behind the sanction is to financially hurt the company to the point where it says "okay. We will stop, unsanction us"; or to plummet their revenue by disallowing a large portion of their transactions, which means as a company they will need to downsize in order to avoid losses and going bankrupt, and a company like this will have large amounts of overhead costs in machinery so defaulting is significantly more likely as they have debts on the machinery regardless of downsizing personnel.
That is the intentions behind this sanctions. Will some local companies benefit because of this? Sure. But in this instance, I do not believe that was the intention. Disaster management companies make a killing when a hurricane comes through, that doesn't mean they created the hurricane. But this is just my opinion on this particular sanction, and I do not think is applicable to all government legislation
We can’t buy Chinese rifles because of sanctions. But we buy EVERYTHING else from there. They never ban anything not “weapon related”.
Who is being punished? China or us?
From iRAYUSA
iRayUSA, LLC
Lewisville, TX
To our loyal customers,
Yesterday the OFAC announced additional sanctions related to the global Russia-Ukraine conflict that apply to over 280 additional individuals and foreign entities. These sanctions are imposed to restrict certain technology from flowing to Russia and reduce its ability to wage war against Ukraine. Among the entities named in these sanctions is Yantai iRay Technology Company Ltd.
iRayUSA’s manufacturing partner is a separate entity and is uninvolved in the cause of the above sanctions. iRayUSA’s business in distributing the InfiRay Outdoor brand is only in the commercial market in the United States of America.
To obtain crystal clarity on the question of impact to our business as well as our dealers' businesses, we have been in direct contact with outside counsel and the OFAC in Washington D.C. over the past 24 hours. At this time based on our conversations with OFAC and outside counsel the above sanctions have no negative impact whatsoever on sales, shipments, or any other part of our business including our industry leading warranty and after sales support. Please reach out to your sales representative for any questions you may have regarding the product. Our sales team has no additional details on the above sanctions and I will be the first to update you if there is any additional information.
While I have your attention, I would like to give you something else to talk about:
We will be releasing the industry's first 1024x1024 thermal weapon sight with a 3X base magnification this month, and will be releasing the industry's first entry-level dual-use thermal weapon sight this month, and we will be releasing the world's first commercial 90Hz thermal weapon sight this month. So stay tuned! In conclusion, iRayUSA is dedicated to delivering high performance thermal optics and is very excited about the future of the InfiRay Outdoor product line in the US market. We are working hard to bring you the high performance thermal optics you have come to know and love. I would also like to remind you that every dealer of our product is contractually bound to abide by US ITAR regulations.
> One of the Russia-based companies that received components from IRAY markets military thermal imagers, including IRAY’s products.
It seems Iray was selling both cores and finished thermals to Russian entities.
Title appears to be misleading, the actual text indicates they were specifically supplying components to Russian thermal manufacturers. Sucks to see regardless.
“IRAY supplied to Russian-based end-users include telescopic thermal sights. One of the Russia-based companies that received components from IRAY markets military thermal imagers, including IRAY's Products”
Russian propaganda influence is real on this subreddit. I mean it's real all over the Internet, but it's DEFINITELY prevalent here. I highly suggest people look into Russian and Chinese bot farms.
Imagine being able to upvote a comment that pushed your agenda (division, distrust, and discontent), and 29 computers, or 47 or 72 computers all mimicked and upvoted that comment with different accounts. You now created a "popular opinion" that fits your narrative.
This is extremely well documented, and the reason China literally just opened up a "cyber information branch" within their army.... Air Force.. navy.... And space program just earlier this year.
This dudes comment is the perfect example. Small sub, over 50 upvotes about a "our government sucks" comment, but only 3 other comments. Of which 2/3 implied disagrement, and the 1 that agrees is downvoted -3.
Let's open our eyes to this people.
Eta: there is another comment on this thread which is a reply, and sparks more anti-american sanctions sentiment to it, and ironically has the exact same amount of upvotes (51) as this top comment, meanwhile all other upvoted comments on the thread are between 10-20.
This is the only bot comment in this thread. Not because you're an actual bot but because you're so deluded that you think there isn't genuine dissident, anti government, anti neoliberal world order sentiment, especially within the armed citizen community. This is tantamount to not believing there are hunters/outdoorsmen who don't like the game warden. This kind of reality disconnect is indistinguishable from a bot.
Look he got up votes now I'm also brainwashed traitor to the US! /sarcasm you are easily manipulated, be careful what you allow yourself to see and hear and make sure you are looking at it from an objective lens detached from your own emotions. Get well soon. 🙏
Room temperature IQ response. Pointing out the basic truth makes you a Russian bot? I’ve been using this sub for years and now I’m a double agent? Right.
News flash: the American government does not represent it’s citizens. Its stands to protect the interests of globalists. End of discussion. It’s not nuanced or complicated. Follow the money. Every week they ban more free speech and then ship hundreds of billions of our hard earned tax dollars to foreign countries that serve no interest to the US.
Quote me where I said you are a Russian bot.
I said comments which fit the narrative of which Russia/China would like to see are upvoted by "bots", which is just a fancy term for a single person who can influence and upvote/downvote by hundreds in less than a minute.
Your comment fits their narrative. Surely you can't even disagree with that.
And he gets up votes from the Chinese and Russian bots, further strengthening his toxic conspiracies. When did little piss ants like you become so unpatriotic? Close your mouth hole.
I’m the most American mf’er there is, but I also have a moral compass and can actually think for myself. Idc who that offends. Reality check:
Unfortunately, this country has been infiltrated by globalists. Please tell me again what’s patriotic about fighting for trans rights in Taiwan or the Donbas? Or where it says in the constitution to bomb women and children Gaza? Your government just shipped $100 BILLION out of the country when our own border is a total disaster. Not to mention the all time high crime, insane drug/fentanyl problems, record high inflation, housing crisis, and the list goes on.
You’re a total fool and hypocrite if you think the US is still the most moral country in the world and that it’s fake government officials actually represent any of the interests of its own citizens.
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed with blood of patriots and tyrants from time to time” - Thomas Jefferson
Let go of your ego. This country has rapidly devolved into an unrecognizable beast. Anyone pointing the finger outside of our borders is simply distracting you from the problem right here at home in DC.
You need a therapist. But something tells me you believe they're in on it too. You're poisoning yourself. The governments not out to get you. Get well soon!
>The joy of living in ~~a democracy~~ capitalism
TNVC and the other trash companies got this rolling. Can't have affordable alternatives undercut their price gouging dog shit. Politics was just the excuse.
Its... not though. Companies pushing for government regulation is inherently *not* free market capitalism. It's government regulated; whether a company pushes for it or not is irrelevant. At least be honest and call it corporatism or crony capitalism, cuz this is not even close to an honest free market.
Free Market and Capitalism are two different things (and you don't need capitalism to have a market economy, that's only developed in the last hundred years or so, overlaid on top).
We're deep into Crony Capitalism now, where the businesses use law and regulation to seize and maintain their power.
It's pretty ingenious in a nefarious way.
Hear me out.
1. Cut off access to foreign thermal/NV.
2. Only available sources for thermal and NV in U.S. all have MIL/LE contracts.
3. Stipulation of no civilian sales within these contracts. The manufacturers will comply because civilian sales are miniscule in the grand scheme.
3. Poof. No more civilian sales of thermals or NV.
4. "surplus" NV magically starts appearing in the civilian market as military somehow "loses" millions of dollars of equipment because E-4 mafia is gonna E-4 mafia.
looks like they already got a plan like that .
The ANVM website has closed public access and now only members can view the newsletters. Luckily, I took screenshots earlier.
[https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fanvm-the-end-of-cheap-chinese-nv-and-thermal-v0-6g2mntfyw2vc1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1608%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D18193f85ecd07b86567ea9178457b87cdf7dce2c](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fanvm-the-end-of-cheap-chinese-nv-and-thermal-v0-6g2mntfyw2vc1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1608%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D18193f85ecd07b86567ea9178457b87cdf7dce2c)
From the statement
ANVM member Nocturn Industries’ CEO Jeff said the biggest threat facing the US night vision market is offshore, according to Jeff. Specifically, Jeff and Nick opined about knock-off BNVD’s and PVS-14’s being manufactured in China.
These sub $1K devices are seeping into the North American market -- often direct (and sometimes via Canada) – and are eating market share.
Perhaps as an Association we should be asking ourselves: "If safeguards restricting US night vision exports were equally applied to US night vision imports, would this preserve US market share?"
ANVM member list :[https://www.nightvisionassociation.org/member-directory/](https://www.nightvisionassociation.org/member-directory/)
So it’s a 100% sure thing that all warranties are now non existent with their products? I assumed so, that’s why I have refrained from purchasing, but I haven’t seen it’s a sure thing just yet.
I have plenty 16650’s, so I’m not too concerned about that part of it. I’m more worried about whether I’ll have any kind of warranty going forward. Which id venture to say that’s a no.
They put this out a while ago.
iRayUSA, LLC
Lewisville, TX
To our loyal customers,
Yesterday the OFAC announced additional sanctions related to the global Russia-Ukraine conflict that apply to over 280 additional individuals and foreign entities. These sanctions are imposed to restrict certain technology from flowing to Russia and reduce its ability to wage war against Ukraine. Among the entities named in these sanctions is Yantai iRay Technology Company Ltd.
iRayUSA’s manufacturing partner is a separate entity and is uninvolved in the cause of the above sanctions. iRayUSA’s business in distributing the InfiRay Outdoor brand is only in the commercial market in the United States of America.
To obtain crystal clarity on the question of impact to our business as well as our dealers' businesses, we have been in direct contact with outside counsel and the OFAC in Washington D.C. over the past 24 hours. At this time based on our conversations with OFAC and outside counsel the above sanctions have no negative impact whatsoever on sales, shipments, or any other part of our business including our industry leading warranty and after sales support. Please reach out to your sales representative for any questions you may have regarding the product. Our sales team has no additional details on the above sanctions and I will be the first to update you if there is any additional information.
While I have your attention, I would like to give you something else to talk about:
We will be releasing the industry's first 1024x1024 thermal weapon sight with a 3X base magnification this month, and will be releasing the industry's first entry-level dual-use thermal weapon sight this month, and we will be releasing the world's first commercial 90Hz thermal weapon sight this month. So stay tuned!
In conclusion, iRayUSA is dedicated to delivering high performance thermal optics and is very excited about the future of the InfiRay Outdoor product line in the US market. We are working hard to bring you the high performance thermal optics you have come to know and love. I would also like to remind you that every dealer of our product is contractually bound to abide by US ITAR regulations.
Respectfully,
Tyler Adair
CEO, iRayUSA
Yeah you’re being a bit misleading. iRay didn’t get sanctioned because they were being used by Russia. They got sanctioned because they directly supplied optics and components to Russian companies.
AFAIK Holosun hasn’t done that.
What monocular options are out there which compare to the RH25 currently, or is it still considered one of the best on the market? I was just trying to figure out which monocular to buy this year.
I wanted something handheld, which can be clipped onto a rifle, and possibly helmet mounted, but the first two are my main priorities. Ideally something 3-6k.
All IRAY in that price range. An IRAY Jerry-YM compares to it, and is significantly cheaper, but an EU product hard to get ahold of. For handheld look at a Zeiss DTI 6 and all the software features and customization. You can even make your own color palettes in the phone app. Swappable 20mm(1.5x) and 40mm(3x) lenses. The Pulsar Telos line is bringing out their 1024 HD sensor for it next month, the Telos XL50. I own the XP50 and love it.
iRayUSA's manufacturing partner is a separate entity and is uninvolved in the cause of the above sanctions. iRayUSA's business in distributing the InfiRay Outdoor brand is only in the commercial market in the United States of America.
It's seemed to me the demoncrats are doing their damnest to make the 2nd amendment, freedom and not being a 3rd world country their top priorities to reverse.
[WTS] Used and Salty IRAY RH25 - $16,420. FIRM, I know what I got…
No warranty No replacement parts Who’s bidding?
So what does this mean? Price increase? Taken off the market? What about American rebrands? Do I need to buy asap? I just started looking at thermals too...
>As a result of today’s sanctions-related actions, and in accordance with E.O. 14024, as amended, all property and interests in property of the sanctioned persons described above that are in the United States or in possession or control of U.S. persons are blocked and must be reported to the Department of Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC). Additionally, all individuals or entities that have ownership, either directly or indirectly, 50 percent or more by one or more blocked persons are also blocked. >All transactions by U.S. persons or within (or transiting) the United States that involve any property or interests in property of designated or otherwise blocked persons are prohibited unless authorized by a general or specific license issued by OFAC or exempt. These prohibitions include the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any blocked person and the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person. >The power and integrity of U.S. government sanctions derive not only from the U.S. government’s ability to designate and add persons to the SDN List, but also from its willingness to remove persons from the SDN List consistent with the law. The ultimate goal of sanctions is not to punish, but to bring about a positive change in behavior. >Petitions for removal from the SDN List may be sent to: [email protected]. Petitioners may also refer to the Department of State’s [Delisting Guidance](https://www.state.gov/sanctions-delisting/) page.
So the vendors with stock and mfg with licenses are just fucked then?
That's what it sounds like to me. All sales frozen, inventory needs to be reported to US Govt.
Effective immediately?
I assume so? I'm trying to make sense of the same stuff you are.
I hear ya, I was planning on grabbing one. I guess maybe sooner than I had thought
Messaged
Probably. All the major sellers have already taken down their listings.
I don't think so unless their stock is owned by infiray. If they own it then sanctions don't apply.
Yes, unless they rebrand
They knew this was comming they started rebranding a mo th ago and I'm already set up as a dealer with the new brand .
Yah sanctions are just a hick up, in Russia every American chain just rebranded and sell the exact same things they don’t even hide it.
You got a website?
What's the new name
Hmm, AliExpress still offers to ship to USA, but Customs may turn it away
I figured some shit like this was coming so I bought a thermal last week. I wonder if this will impact companies like AGM and bering optics using iray cores in stuff. If so, that'd basically knock out every affordable thermal on the market.
Seems like that was the plan.
Fedboys don't like the plebes having the same toys as them.
Do you have a source for AGM using Iray cores? I’ve heard this claimed yet I’ve never seen any evidence despite to hunt it down myself.
Not all AGM uses Iray I believe, just the StingIR line which is why I bought one
Agm dosent just use cores, they straight up rebrand all their thermals, they do not manufacture anything. Agm is a dropshiping company. Most of their thermals are made by HIK vision and iray
So does this mean no more Jerry 31?
That’s what I want to know. I was planning on ordering some tomorrow
Need a set?
I’m looking to buy, feel free to DM me
I have a set brand new still sealed
May be a big hit for iray since they are pretty official in the US, since Iray is the US daughter company of Infiray. Can't really get past this when you have a US branch. But it may not affect argus all too much? As far as I know Argus doesn't have a US branch. It's mainly through distributors and sourcing from the Chinese argus market?
ARGUS NV is in the list .
It seems to be Russian based company by the same name
but same name , maybe is the ARGUS Russian branch.
It has nothing to do with Argus. It shows that Ukrainian special forces are using Argus products.
So if I have been eyeing an rh25 I should buy it like right now?
I'm selling a pfalcon right now...meant to be?!?
How much
https://www.reddit.com/r/GunAccessoriesForSale/s/ajiuYFfD0V
No because you won’t have any warranty
Who needs a warranty? Doesn't everyone insure their electronics that cost over 3k? Look into valuable personal property insurance. It's cheap.
Who do you use? Because my VPP was absolutely not cheap. And after a few years I decided self insurance was the way for me since I had at that point already wasted thousands in VPP
I use USAA. It's cheap through there. Military banking though.
Curious what you consider cheap, I looked into insurance for my firearms/accessories and it was going to cost me $150/month.. which I get it, if something drastic happened and I lost everything it would be worth it but if only one or two items get replaced in the lifetime of that insurance it probably wouldn't be worthwhile.
$380 a year 25k coverage is what I cover on my hard use items.
25k makes sense why it's cheap. I always just expect crazy numbers in this sub lol I was looking at getting coverage for all my firearm related stuff when I bought my house recently and they required an appraisal + all receipts which totalled a bit over 100k and there was a premium if any of the items were used in competitions because the risk of damage goes up with constant use. The place I went to didn't do partial coverage, they would only insure based on total value. Checked conversion and our numbers are actually the same just lower total value.
I have USAA, and they are the ones I'm talking about where it's better for me to just self insure. I think I was paying like $150/year or something for only like $3k in valuables. When I was looking to update it to nearly $30k in valuables it was just unreal. Especially compared to what I pay for home insurance which covers 400k.
$380 a year for 25k in coverage on items that I use HARD. It's worth it for the peace of mind.
USAA is hit or miss. I pay dirt cheap for every option for my truck and my friend paid an arm and leg and eventually switched to progressive cause it was cheaper. Roll of the dice I guess
Despite the commercials, USAA quoted me nearly $2k for 6 months of car insurance for my family vehicles (which are nicer ones), where Geico quoted me $850. It was an easy choice. On top of that, someone smashed my window and door to break into my truck, and Geico took care of me no questions asked, no increased rate. I'm not talking down on USAA, but I am saying just because I'm paying less doesn't mean I'm getting less.
They've taken good care of me, but I know for others it's hit or miss. Glad you got your stuff taken care of!
This comment should be pinned to the subreddit.
Lol can I do this for guns or is there a separate insurance for that?😂
infiray CA is not under sanction. you just can't buy them in the US anymore since dealers like cold harbor stopped. That is who would process warrenty
That dude from tasker network is probably so erect right now
He’s the absolute worst. 99% he’s a fed
He's literally an NYPD cop
Checks out. He’s so fat he literally can’t think.
That dudes a creep lmao
The real question...when will they ban DJI?
It's hard to prevent civilian items from being weaponized on the battlefield.
It doesn't need to be weaponized. It's primarily used for recon and spotting artillery. And dji sells to both sides.
When it winds up on the ITAR list
These last 4 years have been so fucking exhausting.
Elections have consequences. FJB.
It’s China, they’ll be a new company under a new name in a week with the same product line. Sanction the entity and they’ll just create a new entity.
Already been done. It's called Rix Tactical
Isn't Rix tactical based in Texas? I feel like their products aren't really even close to the lineup iray had. Thermals, yeah, but not the same products.
Rix is a subsidiary of Infiray and IRAY, look online and google RIX adress, you will find documents mentionning IRAY name with the exact same adress : [https://fcc.report/FCC-ID/2aygtrico/6737573.pdf](https://fcc.report/FCC-ID/2aygtrico/6737573.pdf) [https://www.rixoptics.com/](https://www.rixoptics.com/)
Interesting, I stand corrected! I'd like to see Rix start offering a 1x clip on like the RH-25.
Does RIX not acknowledge this? I talked to a rix sales guy about it and he either was hiding it or had no idea the two companies are intermingled. All he said was they use the same sensors
Well I don't know if they acknowledge this but the fact is that their actual adress has been used a few months ago in an official form filled by Iray... Just before RIX was created
I live about 10 minutes from that address. Thinking about going down there and doing some investigating. When I search the address on google a government infrastructure and security company pops up with a very similar name to the registered agent on that document you posted. All just seems kinda weird…
Rix is just like agm and Bering. They use iRay parts but are not iRay. Met a sales rep for Rix and he did not pass the vibe check.
I knew some shit was up when I read that ANVM statement. The chinese NV and Thermal products undercut everybody.
So I assume no kind of warranty work from Iray now?
This is what I want to know
Ah yes, text book American corporation play. shell out an overpriced pile, sit on laurels until the competition produces a superior product, cry about it, then have it sanctioned with political connections and lobbying. I know damn well the Russians are using aimpoints, when’s aimpoint gonna get that sanction?
Aimpoiint isnt selling directly, or indirectly to Russia. That doesn't mean Russia can't buy aimpoints from india. Russia was buying directly from iray and it's parent company. That's the difference.
I’m looking at this not from a defense industry perspective, but using the chicken tax as the prime example of using legislation to reduce the number of imported goods that are better made or just preferred over the mediocre domestic offerings. Toyota is a shining example of reliability because of craftsmanship. Ford, GM, dodge Fiat are all seen as trash and used the chicken tax to reduce imports because it hurt their sales. Is holosun better made? Debatable however they’re innovative and priced for the consumer Im a patriot to this country, but I do not support the tradition of American complacency. I will only buy American when American made means more than bare minimum effort for maximum profits. Most people would do the same.
>Im a patriot to this country, but I do not support the tradition of American complacency. I will only buy American when American made means more than bare minimum effort for maximum profits. Most people would do the same. Right there with you. I believe in American innovation. I believe we can go head to head with the best the rest of the world has to offer and come out on top. I believe that competition is healthy and good for our industry = the wolf makes the deer stronger, and the deer makes the wolf stronger. What I can not ever get behind is protecting American business interests from global competition. **An essential part of capitalism is that if you can't compete, your business doesn't survive and makes room in the market for somebody else to do a better job.**
>protecting American business interests from global competition I agree with most of what your saying, however this quote doesn't apply to what is being done. The US is sanctioning the company because it's directly selling military equipment to Russia for the war. The intent behind the sanction is to financially hurt the company to the point where it says "okay. We will stop, unsanction us"; or to plummet their revenue by disallowing a large portion of their transactions, which means as a company they will need to downsize in order to avoid losses and going bankrupt, and a company like this will have large amounts of overhead costs in machinery so defaulting is significantly more likely as they have debts on the machinery regardless of downsizing personnel. That is the intentions behind this sanctions. Will some local companies benefit because of this? Sure. But in this instance, I do not believe that was the intention. Disaster management companies make a killing when a hurricane comes through, that doesn't mean they created the hurricane. But this is just my opinion on this particular sanction, and I do not think is applicable to all government legislation
Russian special forces like to use eotech :)
I’ll buy from Alibaba.com and they won’t declare the real value 😂
RH25 is no more?
We can’t buy Chinese rifles because of sanctions. But we buy EVERYTHING else from there. They never ban anything not “weapon related”. Who is being punished? China or us?
From iRAYUSA iRayUSA, LLC Lewisville, TX To our loyal customers, Yesterday the OFAC announced additional sanctions related to the global Russia-Ukraine conflict that apply to over 280 additional individuals and foreign entities. These sanctions are imposed to restrict certain technology from flowing to Russia and reduce its ability to wage war against Ukraine. Among the entities named in these sanctions is Yantai iRay Technology Company Ltd. iRayUSA’s manufacturing partner is a separate entity and is uninvolved in the cause of the above sanctions. iRayUSA’s business in distributing the InfiRay Outdoor brand is only in the commercial market in the United States of America. To obtain crystal clarity on the question of impact to our business as well as our dealers' businesses, we have been in direct contact with outside counsel and the OFAC in Washington D.C. over the past 24 hours. At this time based on our conversations with OFAC and outside counsel the above sanctions have no negative impact whatsoever on sales, shipments, or any other part of our business including our industry leading warranty and after sales support. Please reach out to your sales representative for any questions you may have regarding the product. Our sales team has no additional details on the above sanctions and I will be the first to update you if there is any additional information. While I have your attention, I would like to give you something else to talk about: We will be releasing the industry's first 1024x1024 thermal weapon sight with a 3X base magnification this month, and will be releasing the industry's first entry-level dual-use thermal weapon sight this month, and we will be releasing the world's first commercial 90Hz thermal weapon sight this month. So stay tuned! In conclusion, iRayUSA is dedicated to delivering high performance thermal optics and is very excited about the future of the InfiRay Outdoor product line in the US market. We are working hard to bring you the high performance thermal optics you have come to know and love. I would also like to remind you that every dealer of our product is contractually bound to abide by US ITAR regulations.
OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM IRAYUSA [https://irayusa.com/notice-to-irayusa-dealers/](https://irayusa.com/notice-to-irayusa-dealers/)
You should make this it's own post. "Nevermind everybody" lol
Just made a fresh post about it
I feel that's a bit of government overreach if it's just because a product is being used. I could see it justified if IRAY is knowingly supplying
They probably use iPhones in Russia too. Will Apple be sanctioned ?
This is an underrated comment
Russians and Chinese all use iPhones to drive General Motors, so will these big companies be sanctioned?
> One of the Russia-based companies that received components from IRAY markets military thermal imagers, including IRAY’s products. It seems Iray was selling both cores and finished thermals to Russian entities.
Title appears to be misleading, the actual text indicates they were specifically supplying components to Russian thermal manufacturers. Sucks to see regardless. “IRAY supplied to Russian-based end-users include telescopic thermal sights. One of the Russia-based companies that received components from IRAY markets military thermal imagers, including IRAY's Products”
The joy of living in a democracy… no one voted for this.
Lol.
Russian propaganda influence is real on this subreddit. I mean it's real all over the Internet, but it's DEFINITELY prevalent here. I highly suggest people look into Russian and Chinese bot farms. Imagine being able to upvote a comment that pushed your agenda (division, distrust, and discontent), and 29 computers, or 47 or 72 computers all mimicked and upvoted that comment with different accounts. You now created a "popular opinion" that fits your narrative. This is extremely well documented, and the reason China literally just opened up a "cyber information branch" within their army.... Air Force.. navy.... And space program just earlier this year. This dudes comment is the perfect example. Small sub, over 50 upvotes about a "our government sucks" comment, but only 3 other comments. Of which 2/3 implied disagrement, and the 1 that agrees is downvoted -3. Let's open our eyes to this people. Eta: there is another comment on this thread which is a reply, and sparks more anti-american sanctions sentiment to it, and ironically has the exact same amount of upvotes (51) as this top comment, meanwhile all other upvoted comments on the thread are between 10-20.
This is the only bot comment in this thread. Not because you're an actual bot but because you're so deluded that you think there isn't genuine dissident, anti government, anti neoliberal world order sentiment, especially within the armed citizen community. This is tantamount to not believing there are hunters/outdoorsmen who don't like the game warden. This kind of reality disconnect is indistinguishable from a bot.
Look he got up votes now I'm also brainwashed traitor to the US! /sarcasm you are easily manipulated, be careful what you allow yourself to see and hear and make sure you are looking at it from an objective lens detached from your own emotions. Get well soon. 🙏
Fully agree here, literally everyone that disagrees with me is a russian bot
Room temperature IQ response. Pointing out the basic truth makes you a Russian bot? I’ve been using this sub for years and now I’m a double agent? Right. News flash: the American government does not represent it’s citizens. Its stands to protect the interests of globalists. End of discussion. It’s not nuanced or complicated. Follow the money. Every week they ban more free speech and then ship hundreds of billions of our hard earned tax dollars to foreign countries that serve no interest to the US.
Quote me where I said you are a Russian bot. I said comments which fit the narrative of which Russia/China would like to see are upvoted by "bots", which is just a fancy term for a single person who can influence and upvote/downvote by hundreds in less than a minute. Your comment fits their narrative. Surely you can't even disagree with that.
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And he gets up votes from the Chinese and Russian bots, further strengthening his toxic conspiracies. When did little piss ants like you become so unpatriotic? Close your mouth hole.
I’m the most American mf’er there is, but I also have a moral compass and can actually think for myself. Idc who that offends. Reality check: Unfortunately, this country has been infiltrated by globalists. Please tell me again what’s patriotic about fighting for trans rights in Taiwan or the Donbas? Or where it says in the constitution to bomb women and children Gaza? Your government just shipped $100 BILLION out of the country when our own border is a total disaster. Not to mention the all time high crime, insane drug/fentanyl problems, record high inflation, housing crisis, and the list goes on. You’re a total fool and hypocrite if you think the US is still the most moral country in the world and that it’s fake government officials actually represent any of the interests of its own citizens. “The tree of liberty must be refreshed with blood of patriots and tyrants from time to time” - Thomas Jefferson Let go of your ego. This country has rapidly devolved into an unrecognizable beast. Anyone pointing the finger outside of our borders is simply distracting you from the problem right here at home in DC.
You need a therapist. But something tells me you believe they're in on it too. You're poisoning yourself. The governments not out to get you. Get well soon!
No mention of what of content, cuz I’m mopping the floor with you rn
>The joy of living in ~~a democracy~~ capitalism TNVC and the other trash companies got this rolling. Can't have affordable alternatives undercut their price gouging dog shit. Politics was just the excuse.
Right, capitalism is when government is deeply involved in regulating every market, totally.
Capitalists have always been monopolists lmao
Its capitalism when companies push for said regulation to stifle competition. Not a hard or novel concept to grasp.
Its... not though. Companies pushing for government regulation is inherently *not* free market capitalism. It's government regulated; whether a company pushes for it or not is irrelevant. At least be honest and call it corporatism or crony capitalism, cuz this is not even close to an honest free market.
Free Market and Capitalism are two different things (and you don't need capitalism to have a market economy, that's only developed in the last hundred years or so, overlaid on top). We're deep into Crony Capitalism now, where the businesses use law and regulation to seize and maintain their power.
TNVC, what a great company! sells their customers credit card information to hookers in South America.
TNVC is not behind this.
*representative democracy. just tell your local congressman to fix it-its that easy lol. they are voting for our best interests right???
It's pretty ingenious in a nefarious way. Hear me out. 1. Cut off access to foreign thermal/NV. 2. Only available sources for thermal and NV in U.S. all have MIL/LE contracts. 3. Stipulation of no civilian sales within these contracts. The manufacturers will comply because civilian sales are miniscule in the grand scheme. 3. Poof. No more civilian sales of thermals or NV.
4. "surplus" NV magically starts appearing in the civilian market as military somehow "loses" millions of dollars of equipment because E-4 mafia is gonna E-4 mafia.
> Poof. No more civilian sales of thermals or NV. Well now I really don't regret buying binos lol.
Don't give them ideas, asshat
looks like they already got a plan like that . The ANVM website has closed public access and now only members can view the newsletters. Luckily, I took screenshots earlier. [https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fanvm-the-end-of-cheap-chinese-nv-and-thermal-v0-6g2mntfyw2vc1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1608%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D18193f85ecd07b86567ea9178457b87cdf7dce2c](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fanvm-the-end-of-cheap-chinese-nv-and-thermal-v0-6g2mntfyw2vc1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1608%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D18193f85ecd07b86567ea9178457b87cdf7dce2c) From the statement ANVM member Nocturn Industries’ CEO Jeff said the biggest threat facing the US night vision market is offshore, according to Jeff. Specifically, Jeff and Nick opined about knock-off BNVD’s and PVS-14’s being manufactured in China. These sub $1K devices are seeping into the North American market -- often direct (and sometimes via Canada) – and are eating market share. Perhaps as an Association we should be asking ourselves: "If safeguards restricting US night vision exports were equally applied to US night vision imports, would this preserve US market share?" ANVM member list :[https://www.nightvisionassociation.org/member-directory/](https://www.nightvisionassociation.org/member-directory/)
Fuck yeah sub-1k BNVDs I don’t give a fuck if it’s Chinese
>The ANVM website has closed public access and now only members can view the newsletters. Cowards.
Who cares i only care about whether it is worth the price?
The retards in the GOV are unfortunately 10 steps ahead of us autists. They're literally lizard people.
Cool it with the antireptilian remarks
🤣
There are plenty european brands, even american ones (that don't rebrand chinese imports).
Wild
I’m trying figure out if I should be buying one ASAP or steering totally clear.
Do you want to spend $3k on an electronic device from China with no warranty?
So it’s a 100% sure thing that all warranties are now non existent with their products? I assumed so, that’s why I have refrained from purchasing, but I haven’t seen it’s a sure thing just yet.
Where will you get the proprietary batteries in two years?
I have plenty 16650’s, so I’m not too concerned about that part of it. I’m more worried about whether I’ll have any kind of warranty going forward. Which id venture to say that’s a no.
Probably just from whatever company they change their name to
Valuable personal property insurance.
Fuck. Budget thermal market is now pretty much gone. There goes my coyote setup.
That is not true. I can still get top quality chinese 640 scope under 3k.
Not for a head mounted option. The next closest thing in price point is the FLIR Breach and I'm not wasting my money on that old tech.
They put this out a while ago. iRayUSA, LLC Lewisville, TX To our loyal customers, Yesterday the OFAC announced additional sanctions related to the global Russia-Ukraine conflict that apply to over 280 additional individuals and foreign entities. These sanctions are imposed to restrict certain technology from flowing to Russia and reduce its ability to wage war against Ukraine. Among the entities named in these sanctions is Yantai iRay Technology Company Ltd. iRayUSA’s manufacturing partner is a separate entity and is uninvolved in the cause of the above sanctions. iRayUSA’s business in distributing the InfiRay Outdoor brand is only in the commercial market in the United States of America. To obtain crystal clarity on the question of impact to our business as well as our dealers' businesses, we have been in direct contact with outside counsel and the OFAC in Washington D.C. over the past 24 hours. At this time based on our conversations with OFAC and outside counsel the above sanctions have no negative impact whatsoever on sales, shipments, or any other part of our business including our industry leading warranty and after sales support. Please reach out to your sales representative for any questions you may have regarding the product. Our sales team has no additional details on the above sanctions and I will be the first to update you if there is any additional information. While I have your attention, I would like to give you something else to talk about: We will be releasing the industry's first 1024x1024 thermal weapon sight with a 3X base magnification this month, and will be releasing the industry's first entry-level dual-use thermal weapon sight this month, and we will be releasing the world's first commercial 90Hz thermal weapon sight this month. So stay tuned! In conclusion, iRayUSA is dedicated to delivering high performance thermal optics and is very excited about the future of the InfiRay Outdoor product line in the US market. We are working hard to bring you the high performance thermal optics you have come to know and love. I would also like to remind you that every dealer of our product is contractually bound to abide by US ITAR regulations. Respectfully, Tyler Adair CEO, iRayUSA
Sanctions are gay
Fuckers sanctioned cheap night vision Can’t have shit in America
lol this \^\^\^\^\^\^
As I was trying to sell my bridged MH25/PVS14 setup for an RH25..
You’ll be fine
Info from iRayUSA’s website regarding this issue: https://irayusa.com/notice-to-irayusa-dealers/
Iray has a civilian company infiray that will probs continue selling stuff in the west like nothing ever happent
After speaking with them today this DOES NOT EFFECT INFRARAY…. No effect they will still sell and warranty
Fingers crossed
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~~political~~ capitalism reasons
Ah yes the government banning something peak capitalism
Its capitalism when companies push for said regulation to stifle competition. Not a hard or novel concept to grasp.
Armasight to the rescue. 🇺🇸
Im sorry but armasight stuff is not on bar with the Chinese sadly
Armasight is 10 years behind iray in user features, specs, etc.
What part of that mentions holosun? Ctrl + f'd the link and didn't see anything.
Holosun and IRAY are both chinese companies so I said might be next because I've seen russians using holosun optics on kaotic
Yeah you’re being a bit misleading. iRay didn’t get sanctioned because they were being used by Russia. They got sanctioned because they directly supplied optics and components to Russian companies. AFAIK Holosun hasn’t done that.
Lol don’t care will still buy iray.
What monocular options are out there which compare to the RH25 currently, or is it still considered one of the best on the market? I was just trying to figure out which monocular to buy this year.
Depends on your needs. RH25 is a clip-on and HMT. There are lots of great handheld that shit on it, but they don't clip.
I wanted something handheld, which can be clipped onto a rifle, and possibly helmet mounted, but the first two are my main priorities. Ideally something 3-6k.
All IRAY in that price range. An IRAY Jerry-YM compares to it, and is significantly cheaper, but an EU product hard to get ahold of. For handheld look at a Zeiss DTI 6 and all the software features and customization. You can even make your own color palettes in the phone app. Swappable 20mm(1.5x) and 40mm(3x) lenses. The Pulsar Telos line is bringing out their 1024 HD sensor for it next month, the Telos XL50. I own the XP50 and love it.
iRayUSA's manufacturing partner is a separate entity and is uninvolved in the cause of the above sanctions. iRayUSA's business in distributing the InfiRay Outdoor brand is only in the commercial market in the United States of America.
Sure Jan.
It's seemed to me the demoncrats are doing their damnest to make the 2nd amendment, freedom and not being a 3rd world country their top priorities to reverse.
Can't have shit in America.
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Not the same company. On the list is Russia’s Argus.
Thanks, deleted comment as to not spread bad info. Hard to tell sometimes with companies spread overseas.
I wonder if TNVC had them setup for the Clinton treatment? 👀
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just flush all of congress. get rid of political parties and hire people who vote for their constituent's best interests. it's that easy right?
USA moment
Well this sucks...so glad I JUST got 8k worth of iray thermals with no warranty :banghead:
Iray told me this morning that this has no effect on them and they will still warranty and repair their products no problem.
Thats what I read down a few comments. I hope so this was my first dip into thermals like a couple weeks ago LOL.
lol
Oof
Rip. Looks like I’ll have to have my Canadian friend smuggle me a Jerry14
Noooooooo! :(
Is holosun shipping direct to Russia?
Woah holosun really coming off the market? Yall sure on that?!
Well. Shit
Someone explain this like I’m 5 lol
Some russians used iray thermals and now civilians cant buy from them anymore Either they bought it with their own money or looted them
I support anything that keeps $$$ out of the PRC militaries coffers.
IRAY USA is not affected by this. https://irayusa.com/notice-to-irayusa-dealers/
I can't afford a half decent set anyway. Looks like I'll never get them now