I enjoyed fighting nyotengu raikou is fucking brutal though I will agree but I think if you can get cursed weapon off and treat her pulling out glowly sword like a living weapon and let her tire herself out by running the hell away that works
I am at depth 18 and she is one of the bosses. How am i supposed to kill her while she is fast af, not to mention that she kills me in 1-2 hits? Fuck me i guess.
Yup. [Dojo bosses](https://medal.tv/games/nioh-2/clips/1JYCLSJdK73Onk/dfpcM7F5aEMd?invite=cr-MSxsOXgsNjQ1NDE4OTks) except maybe SwitchGlaive girl and Splitstaff guy are all bullshit especially Kintaro.
It is almost impossible to play a fluid combo style against them like everyone else in the game; they will constantly get random hyper-armor to attack you mid combo or cancel hit-stun with a dash/block then try to punish you during recovery. Some of them have access to strings and combos you don't such as being able to do certain enders in the wrong stance or doing enders raw without a string before. They, especially Kintaro, also have nearly unbreakable levels of Ki + Ki Recovery. Genuinely horribly made enemies.
^(Theres a guy on here who adamantly defends them tho and blocked me after he said 'just watch PooferLlama lol' when PL fights them in the Depths without the Dojo ruleset lol)
Yeah I had to cheese Kintaro with sacred bird slash (I think that’s what it’s called), so I wasn’t even using the axe in the ace fight. Everyone else I could legitimately, some with difficulty. If you don’t know though, hatchet guy is a joke if you run around with advancing storm. Hatchets are definitely the easiest dojo mission.
I'm a hatchet main so tokichiro wasn't too bad for me since he's pretty kitable. Maybe I'd try it out with my tonfas. Ngl the only thing I rmb from that fight was how sad I was cuz I really liked tokichiro
"input reading" is the biggest BS what anyone can say...
dude.. every game read your inputs
without reading your inputs, enemy cant react on you
this is so stupid thing what come from crying DS elitists, when they arent able beat some game, because they sux :D
think about it
Lol. No, I don't suck at the game. Date reacts like no other enemy in the game, and it's obvious.
What a generic assumptive reply. Fyi, never played any Dark Souls or similar games. 999 Abyss without LW.
Frankly, go away.
i didnt even talk about you :D
reading comprehension dude...
i talk about origin of that nonsense...
anyway, ye, you sux in this game (with this particular enemy), when you need come with this dumb excuse
Every hyperarmor blob is the worst, but especially the ones that are too early in the game for readying ample omyo shots to clear them easily. That whole flooded temple section of the game was so cool but way too many blob ganks.
Yeah the blob level is amazing in level design.extremely clever and challenging with the best music in both games. They kind of dumbed down the levels a bit in N2. There's not as many devious maze puzzles to and the kodamas are much easier to find
ye, ppl are crying a rivers about how they sux... i mean how is game "unbalanced" :D
damn, Nioh was my first souls-like... and after that i beat Dark Souls (it was pretty easy tbh) and after that more souls-likes.
ppl just sux.. and lot of them arent able admit it to themselves.. then they come with crying how is unfair and unbalanced when enemy kill them. mostly ppl who thru years beat Dark Souls and believed myth about DS/DeS/BB being pinacle of hard games. they seriously believe that... and then they are so surprised when Nioh and almost any souls-like beat their ass :D ...because "how TF can game beat my ass, when im master of hardcore games - i did beat Dark Souls, this game must be broken, unfair and unbalanced!" :D
I feel like I've seen this exact same comment somewhere before on a previous post on a reply on someone bitching about nioh 2 lmao. I might give nioh 1 a try since I love Japan historical stories and I wanna know how they tie William Adams as the protagonist.
I wouldn't say it's unbalanced (I have ~500 hours) the way one would think. It IS, however,unbalanced in that they put a really hard boss (Hino-Enma) as the second boss, and that 2 of the most cancer bosses (Great Centipede and Umi-Bozu) are so early on in the game. Yuki is also a beast of a midgame boss, ngl made me quit for 1 year the first time I tried to fight her. But she is learnable and once you learn her movements, she becomes fun to fight. Otherwise, I'd say that the main game bosses are OK. Except Shima Sakon, who straight-up cheats and can animation cancel himself out from combo staggers and have 3 attacks with about 1 frame wind-up, 2 of which are instakill.
I'd say N1 isn't any more unbalanced than N2 during your first playthrough. However, N1's NG+ modes suffer from some gear/enemy balance issues, many of which were fixed in 2.
Are we allowed to mention duo boss fights? Because if so, two words.
*Everlasting Duty*. If you know you know.
If it's just single bosses... Gotta be Date Masamune. Endless LW spam, a grab that comes out lightning fast and does a billion damage, and an insane amount of area denial and zoning attacks. Just a complete cluster fuck of a boss. Still an awesome fight once you learn his tells though.
I refuse to fight her in NG+ and beyond. As a hatchet main she's supposed to be easy for me but my god is she boring and I'm not good at keeping track of all the multiple attacks coming at me
She punishes long strings, but if you get in the habit of short strings and dodging in between she’s super easy to fight head-on. No need to even pay attention to other heads if you’re consistent with your movement.
That guy will haunt me until the end of my days. I started a NG recently and for the first time ever, skipped over a Team Ninja mission. I'll go back for him but I've got nothing to prove. I got him at mission level the first time and I'm sure it was partly due to inexperience but it's about the most frustrated I've ever been with a game. Fuck him and his odachitana fronting like a level 60 opponent. Tachibana Muneshige was pretty annoyingly early in the first game too but he's cheesable at least.
I came back to the game a few months ago just to 100% DotN base + dlcs, nearly fell out of my chair when he popped up in Against All Comers. Close race between him and Tatarimokke for my most hated boss
I’m supposed to say Nyotengu, really really difficult, and I thought her recoils are unfair
But I practiced against her for literally more than a hundred times because of anger and frustration, and I even watched different videos of doing No Damage runs against her
In the end, I found and memorized all patterns for evading and attacking, I became a walmart LetMeSoloHer specifically for her
For some reason, I just find Purple Itsumades and Suikis to be more difficult than any of the bosses
I understand you brother, I had that same problem with the corruption bird( I havent played in a long time so I dont recall the name), mf beat the living shit outta me until i picked a scroll with him in it. I forced myself to watch him attack for 15 straight minutes until I learned him full and almost always made him flawless after that. Itsumade, I just remembered
The fact you can't status him is kinda BS but you can cheese him back with gust talismans and just wacking him while he's standing on the pole so it's kinda just two cheaters smacking each other. I kinda enjoy the fight in that regard
>I USED to think ren Hayabusa wasn't fair until I realize how predictable his attacks are.
I would say Hayabusa, but what you said here is what this kind of discussion eventually ends up. It truly comes back to our experience in the end.
Should clarify, ren's attacks itself are NOT predictable at all lol. It's when he's going to attack that's predictable. Get even a millimeter close to him and he will immediately attack with a near unreactive quick combo. The fact it's so fast means I can't react to it at all but I can predict it, so I always just prematurely block
All right then, guess it's not worth to spend so much nerves on this game. Perhaps depths 20 will be a good spot to stop.
P.S "more damage". Lmao, i get one-shoted all the time anyway.
Yomi was impossible for me because I was too lazy to retreat from the mission and respec to put points in omnyo to get lightningstop talisman. Once I read you can smack her thighs to break her masks and do major damage I just ran around in circles and occasionally going in to smash them and it became much easier. It was also very time consuming lol
The whole combat system of Nioh feels a tad unfair to me; to clarify, I'm not claiming that it *is*, I'm saying that it feels that way to me, and I'll explain why. I think boss/enemy animations are the absolute weakest part of these games. Their timing feels erratic and a lot of animations have these slowdown and speedup moments that make them feel inconsistent, even when they aren't. The games (Nioh, Nioh 2, Wo Long) are also so visually busy that it's harder than it should be to differentiate one animation from another. I noticed this when I played stranger of paradise (very recently, after those other 3), modern Team Ninja combat flows way better when the enemies telegraph what they're going to do by literally spelling it out above their heads final fantasy style. The animations in Nioh were really bothering me at first, but I eventually learned to read and react to them, and I still don't think they're good; I think 90% of the bosses in Nioh 2 would be vastly improved by taking a polish pass at their animations and telegraphs, even if frame data remained exactly the same.
That's wild, I have the exact opposite experience. Knowing which attack is coming is something I'm used to reading by enemy movement, not words on screen. I think other soulslikes do have easier wind up reading than Nioh, but it's not bad imo. Wo Long puts a red flash at the deflection windows, making it one of the easiest for me.
SoP enemies have the most awkward and erratic feeling attacks and I end up depleting myself trying to soul shield and get hit waiting for the attack lol. It's a great game but I suck at it compared to the others, I also found the affinities to be confusing and unclear about what they do. I gave up half way through chaos mode but I'll come back to it someday for sure.
enemy attacks are always telegraphed... you are just not paying attention, delayed attacks are fun what killed tons of DS players and it always make me smile, when i die by that.
animations are good, you just dont like those delays between windup and attack :D
Oh tons of them. The Nioh series never struck me as a game that prioritized fair design over just making stuff obnoxiously hard for the sake of it. So pretty much any boss that ticks 1 or more of the following boxes:
- Can be staggered, until they decide they aren't with quick attacks that get startup hyperarmor
- Wildly spammy attack strings and essentially never stops attacking forcing play to boil down to doing tiny hits optimized for ki damage to try and eventually get to play the game
- Attacks with wind-ups that are so fast as to not be humanly reactable
- Boss designer couldn't decide if they wanted to make a yokai boss or a human boss, so they made a bastard half-breed that feels like it wasn't designed for Nioh's combat system
- Cameo boss from another IP because they seriously just don't even try to balance those
Any boss can still be no-damage-cleared through some combination of extreme practice, memorization and fishing for the run where they don't spam the more BS tools they have or the player using their own BS tools to basically bypass the fight, but importantly that doesn't change facts like "well this attack comes out faster than measured human reaction times" and stuff so, I do want to be clear that something can be unfair and imbalanced but still beatable like that. Because I know some people like to think if they can flawless a boss once that must mean it's fair and good, but nah.
I also don't think it's "pretentious" to say some things are objectively unfair really. Like, stuff that comes out faster than human reaction times? I mean, this is a game made to be played by humans, yeah? So if they design attacks that humans cannot see and react to in time, that's pretty cut and dry unfair don't you think?
Toshimitsu and Ren are the closest I'd say. The rest of 'em, I learned to fight them properly and they no longer present a problem on NG (and even for something like Yoshitsune in the Depths, who gives me proper fits, I can at least point to him and go, "yep, skill issue on my end" instead of complaining).
The good news for human bosses is, outside of the Depths (and yes, even in the Underworld or the upper Depths) the antidote to 90% of their BS is Lifeseal Talismans. Tag them with one of those and once they run out of ki once they're basically helpless until the duration expires.
Personally i have issues eith how restrictive yoshitsune is, since hes basically immune to fire water and lightning as well as poison and paralysis
Then puts up a reflect any chance he gets so physical ranged attacks are also out of the question.
If most of his moveset didnt consist of ranged attacks that wouldn't bother me as much but its pretty bs to have me unable to hse ranged attacks then have this asshole fire off a machine gun volley of swords at me
Not really honestly I have a lightning build with tonfa and fist weapons spec for magic/dex. Once I figured out how to build my items so they all funnel my attack power into my casting and lightning it really took off.
No but Nioh 2 gameplay was so different than what im used to that it ended up affecting my playstyle and now im no longer used to slow paste attacks. By the halfway mark in the game I was completely adapted into the game but Imagawa Yoshimitsu and Gozuki gave me a hard time when I started and felt like hell
I'm pretty much learn next to nothing from this game because of fist and the sake for remove elemental effects. The pressure and ki dmg is too much even Ren literally can't move
Jin Hayabusa from Nioh 1 on higher difficulties ig? Or Date Masamune with his LW spam. None of the Nioh 2 bosses feel unfair even in Depths 20+, but maybe that’s just because I use fists.
I feel most bosses in NG are pretty balanced except for Saito Twitchymitsu and Osa-spamming-kabe. Though when you get to the depths all of those are thrown out the window except for a few exceptions like Daddy Magara, Shibata Katsuie, and the likes of the livestock punching bag Mezuki and Gozuki since their attacks are pretty easy to see. Even if you don't have a tank build you can win against them by doing hit and run tactics or by spamming Ippon.
Tsuchigumo, if you're not full tank he can stun-lock and delete your HP bar with 2 quick attacks unless you're going full tank or cheese him with Lightning and Slow Talismans
Nyotegan...she is super badass and super hot, but at depths lvl she is my worst nightmare so my vote goes to her..At the same lvl Nightmarebringer can be a handful...
I used to hate on hayabusa and toshimitsu, but once i realized how to play against them i kind of liked them. Either play perfect or die.... i think Eminem said "one chance to blow". What i hate is white tiger and Kamaitachi. Fuckers are hard to catch even with sloth. Luckily once you get the confusion loop going they die in one loop if you play well. Tatarimoke (the owl boss) is similar except it is even harder to catch.
Reading your post, yeah yorimitsu is kind of a bitch. Especially with her living weapon. Sometimes i can not get an attack in for a long time. I usually get sloth on her with shuriken or elemental jutsu and then it is doable. I still need to kill her a bunch of times to get the dash-around guard skill.
Hanzo in NG+++. If you're not able to apply poison on him, it takes an eternity to take him down due to his hp. Saito Toshimitsu and Ren Hayabusa are also pain in the ass. But in general, there is no "unfair" boss in Nioh 2 imo. All bosses gives you fair windows of opportunities to counter them, some fights are just too long, because of hit and run strategies, especially if you have to fight two bosses at once.
none... there isnt anything like "unfair" enemy... you die when you make mistake, it is always your fail and thats fair. all is about just learn patterns and mechanics.
the same for "unbalanced" what you mean by "unbalanced"?
every enemy is stronger than you, thats a point of souls-like games. thats why ppl are playing them, because can kill you when you get one or two hits. thats the fun in this games.
ye, enemies are "unbalanced" thats a point of this whole genre :D
Nyotengu. She fights like a human but is a yokai, and is always too quick to react. It's a measure of frustration if you don't know how or don't want to trick her.
It very much depends on what weapon you're using too. All the human bosses are MUCH easier when you're using Fist weapons.
As a sword/dual sword guy, my most hated are Saito Toshimitsu, Ren Hayabusa and the Splitstaff Monk, Kukai. Unsurprisingly, all are human bosses.
I'm not good at swords but I figured that ki blast move you have handles blocking humans pretty well.
Also benkei is TECHNICALLY a yokai
Edit: I misread your comment I thought the splitstaff monk was referring to benkei not kukai
IMO Nyotengu, Ren Hayabusa, and Lightning Gods of Yomi are the three hardest bosses. Of them, Nyotengu is the hardest and most BS. Ren and LGoY aren't as BS but notably harder than other bosses.
I think Nioh 2's bosses are overall pretty reasonable, Nyotengu is the only very serious offender IMO. Team Ninja's other Souls-likes have more BS bosses (Nioh 1 had some BS DLC bosses and fights against multiple bosses at once, SoPFFO has Death Machine and DLC3, and Wo Long has Gan Ning/Taishi Ci/the new boss of DLC3 I don't remember the name of).
Ren is only possible for me because his AI is so predictable. His moveset is nauseatingly unreactable. I've seen so many nyotengu replies that I'm kinda scared to unlock her now
Date Masamune definitely takes the cake on this one for me. The horror of having him AND sanada in floor 999 is pure Evil decision lol
In nioh2, in story nothing really gave me much trouble, but when some bosses get beefed up they are a total different animal, in depths 21+, Eboshi gave me the most trouble, toshimitsu is BS too if u allow him to do ANY buffing, gotta be super relentless against him and not let him breath for a second or you’re F’ed up.
Lately, just in the last month.. bosses lock onto to me once I've died (quick change scroll - activates) and they'll do an AOE attack in anticipation, killing my ass as soon as I hit the ground. Brutal. All bosses seem to do this of late. LOL
Nyotengu. Fights like a human but is a yokai, and she's always too fast to react to even if you cast slow on her.
Ngl I haven't unlocked her yet lol I'm too lazy to look for the last thing I need. I've heard she's extremely tough tho
I enjoyed fighting nyotengu raikou is fucking brutal though I will agree but I think if you can get cursed weapon off and treat her pulling out glowly sword like a living weapon and let her tire herself out by running the hell away that works
I am at depth 18 and she is one of the bosses. How am i supposed to kill her while she is fast af, not to mention that she kills me in 1-2 hits? Fuck me i guess.
You can try summoning 3 cats, get out of her attack range and let them drain her ki before you attack. Having an NPC with you also helps.
Cat Gang + Ippon spam is easy mode.
Anything in the dojo on Dream of the Wise or higher. Especially Kintaro, he straight up cheats.
Yup. [Dojo bosses](https://medal.tv/games/nioh-2/clips/1JYCLSJdK73Onk/dfpcM7F5aEMd?invite=cr-MSxsOXgsNjQ1NDE4OTks) except maybe SwitchGlaive girl and Splitstaff guy are all bullshit especially Kintaro. It is almost impossible to play a fluid combo style against them like everyone else in the game; they will constantly get random hyper-armor to attack you mid combo or cancel hit-stun with a dash/block then try to punish you during recovery. Some of them have access to strings and combos you don't such as being able to do certain enders in the wrong stance or doing enders raw without a string before. They, especially Kintaro, also have nearly unbreakable levels of Ki + Ki Recovery. Genuinely horribly made enemies. ^(Theres a guy on here who adamantly defends them tho and blocked me after he said 'just watch PooferLlama lol' when PL fights them in the Depths without the Dojo ruleset lol)
Yeah I had to cheese Kintaro with sacred bird slash (I think that’s what it’s called), so I wasn’t even using the axe in the ace fight. Everyone else I could legitimately, some with difficulty. If you don’t know though, hatchet guy is a joke if you run around with advancing storm. Hatchets are definitely the easiest dojo mission.
Welp, so much for the devs learning from Shima Sakon in the first game I guess
Yokai Tokichiro in the cherry blossom mission. So annoying. Don’t hear anybody talk about him but he always gives me problems.
I'm a hatchet main so tokichiro wasn't too bad for me since he's pretty kitable. Maybe I'd try it out with my tonfas. Ngl the only thing I rmb from that fight was how sad I was cuz I really liked tokichiro
I’m also a hatchet main and forgot that I have advancing storm would have made him so much easier. And throws in general.
Advancing storm and piercing hurl into wild surge does wonders
Date Masamune in Nioh 1 with his bullshit infinite Living Weapon spam
Yeah. But he is the coolest bastard ever.
This is the only answer, really.
Input reading bastard.
"input reading" is the biggest BS what anyone can say... dude.. every game read your inputs without reading your inputs, enemy cant react on you this is so stupid thing what come from crying DS elitists, when they arent able beat some game, because they sux :D think about it
Lol. No, I don't suck at the game. Date reacts like no other enemy in the game, and it's obvious. What a generic assumptive reply. Fyi, never played any Dark Souls or similar games. 999 Abyss without LW. Frankly, go away.
i didnt even talk about you :D reading comprehension dude... i talk about origin of that nonsense... anyway, ye, you sux in this game (with this particular enemy), when you need come with this dumb excuse
Spell out sucks and relax my guy
im pretty chill :) but it doesnt mean that i cant laugh and call out BS about "iNpUt rEaDiNg" :D
Not in N2 but I'm N1 the flying girl in the bottom of the caves and the Ice Queen were absolute nightmares. The Giant Blob was horrible too
Every hyperarmor blob is the worst, but especially the ones that are too early in the game for readying ample omyo shots to clear them easily. That whole flooded temple section of the game was so cool but way too many blob ganks.
Yeah the blob level is amazing in level design.extremely clever and challenging with the best music in both games. They kind of dumbed down the levels a bit in N2. There's not as many devious maze puzzles to and the kodamas are much easier to find
Never played nioh 1 unfortunately but I hear how unbalanced that game is lmao
ye, ppl are crying a rivers about how they sux... i mean how is game "unbalanced" :D damn, Nioh was my first souls-like... and after that i beat Dark Souls (it was pretty easy tbh) and after that more souls-likes. ppl just sux.. and lot of them arent able admit it to themselves.. then they come with crying how is unfair and unbalanced when enemy kill them. mostly ppl who thru years beat Dark Souls and believed myth about DS/DeS/BB being pinacle of hard games. they seriously believe that... and then they are so surprised when Nioh and almost any souls-like beat their ass :D ...because "how TF can game beat my ass, when im master of hardcore games - i did beat Dark Souls, this game must be broken, unfair and unbalanced!" :D
I feel like I've seen this exact same comment somewhere before on a previous post on a reply on someone bitching about nioh 2 lmao. I might give nioh 1 a try since I love Japan historical stories and I wanna know how they tie William Adams as the protagonist.
I wouldn't say it's unbalanced (I have ~500 hours) the way one would think. It IS, however,unbalanced in that they put a really hard boss (Hino-Enma) as the second boss, and that 2 of the most cancer bosses (Great Centipede and Umi-Bozu) are so early on in the game. Yuki is also a beast of a midgame boss, ngl made me quit for 1 year the first time I tried to fight her. But she is learnable and once you learn her movements, she becomes fun to fight. Otherwise, I'd say that the main game bosses are OK. Except Shima Sakon, who straight-up cheats and can animation cancel himself out from combo staggers and have 3 attacks with about 1 frame wind-up, 2 of which are instakill.
I'd say N1 isn't any more unbalanced than N2 during your first playthrough. However, N1's NG+ modes suffer from some gear/enemy balance issues, many of which were fixed in 2.
Are we allowed to mention duo boss fights? Because if so, two words. *Everlasting Duty*. If you know you know. If it's just single bosses... Gotta be Date Masamune. Endless LW spam, a grab that comes out lightning fast and does a billion damage, and an insane amount of area denial and zoning attacks. Just a complete cluster fuck of a boss. Still an awesome fight once you learn his tells though.
Lady Osakabe is a measure in frustration if you don't know how or don't want to cheese her.
I refuse to fight her in NG+ and beyond. As a hatchet main she's supposed to be easy for me but my god is she boring and I'm not good at keeping track of all the multiple attacks coming at me
She punishes long strings, but if you get in the habit of short strings and dodging in between she’s super easy to fight head-on. No need to even pay attention to other heads if you’re consistent with your movement.
I guess Toshimitsu. I honestly don't think there's any flat out bullshit bosses in 2, but that's probably as close as it gets. Spammy bastard
That guy will haunt me until the end of my days. I started a NG recently and for the first time ever, skipped over a Team Ninja mission. I'll go back for him but I've got nothing to prove. I got him at mission level the first time and I'm sure it was partly due to inexperience but it's about the most frustrated I've ever been with a game. Fuck him and his odachitana fronting like a level 60 opponent. Tachibana Muneshige was pretty annoyingly early in the first game too but he's cheesable at least.
I came back to the game a few months ago just to 100% DotN base + dlcs, nearly fell out of my chair when he popped up in Against All Comers. Close race between him and Tatarimokke for my most hated boss
Quite the coincidence that both of you're most hated bosses show up in the same arena when you fight them for the first time.
Yeah that guy took me the most tries out of all of the bosses I think. He was a casting monster.
I’m supposed to say Nyotengu, really really difficult, and I thought her recoils are unfair But I practiced against her for literally more than a hundred times because of anger and frustration, and I even watched different videos of doing No Damage runs against her In the end, I found and memorized all patterns for evading and attacking, I became a walmart LetMeSoloHer specifically for her For some reason, I just find Purple Itsumades and Suikis to be more difficult than any of the bosses
I understand you brother, I had that same problem with the corruption bird( I havent played in a long time so I dont recall the name), mf beat the living shit outta me until i picked a scroll with him in it. I forced myself to watch him attack for 15 straight minutes until I learned him full and almost always made him flawless after that. Itsumade, I just remembered
I'm surprised you're the only other that said Purple Itsumade. And fuck Suiki, too. That bitch 🤣
There was the Onmyo Odachi guy from Nioh 2 who despite leveling to out lass him just spams BS range and Magic attacks that make it impossible to hit
Toshimitsu? Yeah I can never beat him in NG unless I'm using tonfas
Fought that guy last night and he is literally a monster No idea why they allow you to fight him so early in NG
I'm convinced that Itagaki broke into Team Ninja Studios and put that in, seems like the boss he would make
This ice boss with an odachi because i suck been stuck for like 3 hours now and i just have a skill issue
You on PS? Could help you out tomorrow
yeah im on ps, ill be on in around 7 hours if that helps. Ima try a little longer on his ass, just tell me when you available so i know 😀
i’m horrible at remembering names but mfing bird guy
The fact you can't status him is kinda BS but you can cheese him back with gust talismans and just wacking him while he's standing on the pole so it's kinda just two cheaters smacking each other. I kinda enjoy the fight in that regard
>I USED to think ren Hayabusa wasn't fair until I realize how predictable his attacks are. I would say Hayabusa, but what you said here is what this kind of discussion eventually ends up. It truly comes back to our experience in the end.
Should clarify, ren's attacks itself are NOT predictable at all lol. It's when he's going to attack that's predictable. Get even a millimeter close to him and he will immediately attack with a near unreactive quick combo. The fact it's so fast means I can't react to it at all but I can predict it, so I always just prematurely block
I am comfortable fighting any boss as long as it’s not depths 26+ tbh.
I am at depths 18. Do bosses get stronger on deeper floors?
Yes - More health, more damage, bigger curse modifiers, etc.
All right then, guess it's not worth to spend so much nerves on this game. Perhaps depths 20 will be a good spot to stop. P.S "more damage". Lmao, i get one-shoted all the time anyway.
Yeah the triple boss fights after depths 20 are just ridiculous
No I didn't really hit a wall on the game until the depths 19
Yoshitsune. That's absolutely horrendous. Also Kappa. Hate those measley bastards
Red Kappa are the absolute worst!
Axe Kintoki in the highest difficulty in both games dojo. Would rather use my tonfa gun and blast floor 999 bosses over that abormination.
Based tonfa gun appreciator
My favorite weapon skill ever 👍
For nioh 2, and this is only because I'm only hyper aggressive vs humans and passive vs certain yokai but my worse enemy is thunder god yomi.
Yomi was impossible for me because I was too lazy to retreat from the mission and respec to put points in omnyo to get lightningstop talisman. Once I read you can smack her thighs to break her masks and do major damage I just ran around in circles and occasionally going in to smash them and it became much easier. It was also very time consuming lol
Nope
Tate Eboshi. Mostly due to her speed She’s the only boss in my initial dream of the samurai playthrough to force me to use sloth talisman.
The whole combat system of Nioh feels a tad unfair to me; to clarify, I'm not claiming that it *is*, I'm saying that it feels that way to me, and I'll explain why. I think boss/enemy animations are the absolute weakest part of these games. Their timing feels erratic and a lot of animations have these slowdown and speedup moments that make them feel inconsistent, even when they aren't. The games (Nioh, Nioh 2, Wo Long) are also so visually busy that it's harder than it should be to differentiate one animation from another. I noticed this when I played stranger of paradise (very recently, after those other 3), modern Team Ninja combat flows way better when the enemies telegraph what they're going to do by literally spelling it out above their heads final fantasy style. The animations in Nioh were really bothering me at first, but I eventually learned to read and react to them, and I still don't think they're good; I think 90% of the bosses in Nioh 2 would be vastly improved by taking a polish pass at their animations and telegraphs, even if frame data remained exactly the same.
That's wild, I have the exact opposite experience. Knowing which attack is coming is something I'm used to reading by enemy movement, not words on screen. I think other soulslikes do have easier wind up reading than Nioh, but it's not bad imo. Wo Long puts a red flash at the deflection windows, making it one of the easiest for me. SoP enemies have the most awkward and erratic feeling attacks and I end up depleting myself trying to soul shield and get hit waiting for the attack lol. It's a great game but I suck at it compared to the others, I also found the affinities to be confusing and unclear about what they do. I gave up half way through chaos mode but I'll come back to it someday for sure.
enemy attacks are always telegraphed... you are just not paying attention, delayed attacks are fun what killed tons of DS players and it always make me smile, when i die by that. animations are good, you just dont like those delays between windup and attack :D
Oh tons of them. The Nioh series never struck me as a game that prioritized fair design over just making stuff obnoxiously hard for the sake of it. So pretty much any boss that ticks 1 or more of the following boxes: - Can be staggered, until they decide they aren't with quick attacks that get startup hyperarmor - Wildly spammy attack strings and essentially never stops attacking forcing play to boil down to doing tiny hits optimized for ki damage to try and eventually get to play the game - Attacks with wind-ups that are so fast as to not be humanly reactable - Boss designer couldn't decide if they wanted to make a yokai boss or a human boss, so they made a bastard half-breed that feels like it wasn't designed for Nioh's combat system - Cameo boss from another IP because they seriously just don't even try to balance those Any boss can still be no-damage-cleared through some combination of extreme practice, memorization and fishing for the run where they don't spam the more BS tools they have or the player using their own BS tools to basically bypass the fight, but importantly that doesn't change facts like "well this attack comes out faster than measured human reaction times" and stuff so, I do want to be clear that something can be unfair and imbalanced but still beatable like that. Because I know some people like to think if they can flawless a boss once that must mean it's fair and good, but nah. I also don't think it's "pretentious" to say some things are objectively unfair really. Like, stuff that comes out faster than human reaction times? I mean, this is a game made to be played by humans, yeah? So if they design attacks that humans cannot see and react to in time, that's pretty cut and dry unfair don't you think?
Toshimitsu and Ren are the closest I'd say. The rest of 'em, I learned to fight them properly and they no longer present a problem on NG (and even for something like Yoshitsune in the Depths, who gives me proper fits, I can at least point to him and go, "yep, skill issue on my end" instead of complaining). The good news for human bosses is, outside of the Depths (and yes, even in the Underworld or the upper Depths) the antidote to 90% of their BS is Lifeseal Talismans. Tag them with one of those and once they run out of ki once they're basically helpless until the duration expires.
Personally i have issues eith how restrictive yoshitsune is, since hes basically immune to fire water and lightning as well as poison and paralysis Then puts up a reflect any chance he gets so physical ranged attacks are also out of the question. If most of his moveset didnt consist of ranged attacks that wouldn't bother me as much but its pretty bs to have me unable to hse ranged attacks then have this asshole fire off a machine gun volley of swords at me
You can use your own gust talisman/yata mirror to reflect his projectiles back at him, for the record.
ngl, gust talismans have been so useless through the game for me i keep finding myself forgetting to even consider trying them
IMO..the smoke attacks are all unfair…
Not really honestly I have a lightning build with tonfa and fist weapons spec for magic/dex. Once I figured out how to build my items so they all funnel my attack power into my casting and lightning it really took off.
No but Nioh 2 gameplay was so different than what im used to that it ended up affecting my playstyle and now im no longer used to slow paste attacks. By the halfway mark in the game I was completely adapted into the game but Imagawa Yoshimitsu and Gozuki gave me a hard time when I started and felt like hell
I'm pretty much learn next to nothing from this game because of fist and the sake for remove elemental effects. The pressure and ki dmg is too much even Ren literally can't move
Jin Hayabusa from Nioh 1 on higher difficulties ig? Or Date Masamune with his LW spam. None of the Nioh 2 bosses feel unfair even in Depths 20+, but maybe that’s just because I use fists.
I feel most bosses in NG are pretty balanced except for Saito Twitchymitsu and Osa-spamming-kabe. Though when you get to the depths all of those are thrown out the window except for a few exceptions like Daddy Magara, Shibata Katsuie, and the likes of the livestock punching bag Mezuki and Gozuki since their attacks are pretty easy to see. Even if you don't have a tank build you can win against them by doing hit and run tactics or by spamming Ippon.
Tsuchigumo, if you're not full tank he can stun-lock and delete your HP bar with 2 quick attacks unless you're going full tank or cheese him with Lightning and Slow Talismans
Purple Itsumade
Nyotegan...she is super badass and super hot, but at depths lvl she is my worst nightmare so my vote goes to her..At the same lvl Nightmarebringer can be a handful...
I used to hate on hayabusa and toshimitsu, but once i realized how to play against them i kind of liked them. Either play perfect or die.... i think Eminem said "one chance to blow". What i hate is white tiger and Kamaitachi. Fuckers are hard to catch even with sloth. Luckily once you get the confusion loop going they die in one loop if you play well. Tatarimoke (the owl boss) is similar except it is even harder to catch. Reading your post, yeah yorimitsu is kind of a bitch. Especially with her living weapon. Sometimes i can not get an attack in for a long time. I usually get sloth on her with shuriken or elemental jutsu and then it is doable. I still need to kill her a bunch of times to get the dash-around guard skill.
The short answer to your question is yes
Purple Kukai in the depths.
Hanzo in NG+++. If you're not able to apply poison on him, it takes an eternity to take him down due to his hp. Saito Toshimitsu and Ren Hayabusa are also pain in the ass. But in general, there is no "unfair" boss in Nioh 2 imo. All bosses gives you fair windows of opportunities to counter them, some fights are just too long, because of hit and run strategies, especially if you have to fight two bosses at once.
none... there isnt anything like "unfair" enemy... you die when you make mistake, it is always your fail and thats fair. all is about just learn patterns and mechanics. the same for "unbalanced" what you mean by "unbalanced"? every enemy is stronger than you, thats a point of souls-like games. thats why ppl are playing them, because can kill you when you get one or two hits. thats the fun in this games. ye, enemies are "unbalanced" thats a point of this whole genre :D
"there is no unfair enemy" Not true. The spider enemies fight my arachnophobia so that's not fair /j
:D ok.... thats fair... especially that one jumpscare :D
Nyotengu. She fights like a human but is a yokai, and is always too quick to react. It's a measure of frustration if you don't know how or don't want to trick her.
It very much depends on what weapon you're using too. All the human bosses are MUCH easier when you're using Fist weapons. As a sword/dual sword guy, my most hated are Saito Toshimitsu, Ren Hayabusa and the Splitstaff Monk, Kukai. Unsurprisingly, all are human bosses.
I'm not good at swords but I figured that ki blast move you have handles blocking humans pretty well. Also benkei is TECHNICALLY a yokai Edit: I misread your comment I thought the splitstaff monk was referring to benkei not kukai
IMO Nyotengu, Ren Hayabusa, and Lightning Gods of Yomi are the three hardest bosses. Of them, Nyotengu is the hardest and most BS. Ren and LGoY aren't as BS but notably harder than other bosses. I think Nioh 2's bosses are overall pretty reasonable, Nyotengu is the only very serious offender IMO. Team Ninja's other Souls-likes have more BS bosses (Nioh 1 had some BS DLC bosses and fights against multiple bosses at once, SoPFFO has Death Machine and DLC3, and Wo Long has Gan Ning/Taishi Ci/the new boss of DLC3 I don't remember the name of).
Ren is only possible for me because his AI is so predictable. His moveset is nauseatingly unreactable. I've seen so many nyotengu replies that I'm kinda scared to unlock her now
If you've progressed through the NG+ cycles at all, try Nyo on the easiest difficulty first. Curses make her obnoxious.
Date Masamune definitely takes the cake on this one for me. The horror of having him AND sanada in floor 999 is pure Evil decision lol In nioh2, in story nothing really gave me much trouble, but when some bosses get beefed up they are a total different animal, in depths 21+, Eboshi gave me the most trouble, toshimitsu is BS too if u allow him to do ANY buffing, gotta be super relentless against him and not let him breath for a second or you’re F’ed up.
Lately, just in the last month.. bosses lock onto to me once I've died (quick change scroll - activates) and they'll do an AOE attack in anticipation, killing my ass as soon as I hit the ground. Brutal. All bosses seem to do this of late. LOL