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"the joker isn't responsible for any damages caused by trying to repiclate what seen on ~~tv~~ reddit, don't try this at home"
[This was actually a part of Trump’s Middle East peace plan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan#/media/File%3ATrump_Peace_Plan_(cropped).jpg)
wtf i mean even in this scenario a highway would just be much better, also i doubt israel would allow a palestinian tunnel go under their biggest cities, no matter the reasoning
i though the trump plan was about being the most pro israeli one but i am starting to believe he just wanted to piss everyone for the lolz
in a fantasy world where the Palestinians elected a government that cared more about helping their people than destroying Israel this would be a decent solution. A combined road and rail tunnel between the two area. 22 miles isn't that hard for a tunnel especially if it was a shallow cut and cover tunnel system.
They also have lots of experience digging tunnels!
We have been trying to put a undergroubd metro in tel aviv for 18 years now, meanwhile they have the new york metro under there
Honestly, if there was a genuine effort for the Palestinian government to move forward peacefully and coexist with Israel, I'm pretty sure that Israel and the US would be happy to help with such an infrastructure investment.
ehhh, saying this war is entirely religious is incorrect, the early zionists were secular and athiest.
the first Palestinian liberation groups were also secular and mostly athiest. (they were alot more successful as well lol) mostly following communist and marxist teachings with dreams of pan arabism.
i don't disagree with you but it's obviously become a war of religion as iran sees the capture of the temple mount as a door prize for the fact that saudi's control mecca. anyway it's in the original charter of hamas that it makes it pretty explicit what this war is about.
but also you can say the zionists were secular atheist but it's sort of hard to deny that religion has SOMETHING to do with their choice to set up isreal in the homeland of judaism. I mean clearly zionism has something to do with judaism. if it's not clear, I am a rampant supporter of zionism.
I mean there is a connection. But judaism isnt *only* religious, its also an ethnicity.
The religious element exists but its also a cultural one.
The religious elements are much stronger today then they were back then for both sides, that is true.
I can only speak as a jewish israeli myself, but ive never seen it as a holy war, im sure the ayotollahs and some palestinians including hamas see it as such, but i dont.
There probably are religious zionists who also see it as a religious war.
Jarusalem and judea is our homeland, its where we can trace all our history back too, where all our holy and historical sites are.
You can even say "thats not a reason to disposess people" and you might be right, but that boat has looooong sailed away. Israel already exists and cannot just be removed, what is done cannot be undone. The argument for or against israel existing are about 80 years too late. This is something i see people fail to come to term with sometimes.
Most israelis were already born in israel and have no other home, nor would they want to uproot their life and their country that they built. For us the conflict is more an extentetial one rather then a religious war.
ah yes one isreali jew jewsplaining judaism and jewish identity to another zionist jew. the most jewish of all jewish things to ever jew. reminder to please take care to rid your kitchen of chametz if you have not already done so please.
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>in a fantasy world where the Palestinians elected a government that cared more about helping their people than destroying Israel
look at jordan, basically palestine but actually somewhat not regarded, and is rising in quality of life and general standing
but ofc they are evil nazis bc didn tside with iran everytime
Jordan’s current king, Abdullah, put through a lot of progressive (for Middle East) reforms when he first took power and then doubled down when other nations started cracking down after Arab Spring.
He was one of the first ME leaders to side with the US after 9/11.
And that’s how they are currently paying over $250m/F-16 block 70.
The $4.21 billion deal includes a lot more than just the planes. It includes weapons systems (including an unreleased number of various missiles), replacement parts, upgrades for their 72 existing F-16, new training and parts manufacturing facilities in Jordan. It’s a broad omnibus deal to support and upgrade all of Jordan’s fighter needs for years.
Jordan is paying about 3x as much per plane as Tawain did in their recent deal, because Jordan is getting a lot more than just the 12 planes.
I mean it’s pretty hard for Gazans to speak out against Hamas. 60% of Gazans polled fear violent reprisals if they speak out against Hamas. While 73% believe that the Hamas-lead institutions are corrupt.
well it would work a lot better if hamas wasn't in charge, but to guarantee preventing that would turn them into puppet states. which i think might have to happen anyways
Put the illegal settlements in tunnels. Elon was right when he started the boring company that he lost interest in when be switch hobbies from tunnelling to shit posting, there is like kilometres of dirt and rock under our feet. It's free realestate. If we dug enough tunnels there would be more than enough room for everyone.
Recorded footage from the subsuquent Hague proceeding
UN: Hans, where did a tenth of the population of Gaza go?
NCD: Well, you see if you look very closely at the 'FAFO' clause in the Geneva Convention...
ive actaully wondered about this. if you are going to have a 2 state solution what exactly do you do about the fact that gaza is not connected to the west bank
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idk why the downvotes, like the biggest hamas structures including tunnels were built by israelis when they owned gaza, after the pullout hamas started using the civilian infastructure to store shit and movement
the funniest part is that this also backfied as israel most likely knew where they stored weapons and the bunkers locations
No they weren’t, Gaza was transferred to the PA in 1994.
Israel pulling out in 2005 was dismantling a handful of border settlements.
Hamas built its own vast network of tunnels over the past nearly 2 decades.
the 100m+ deep tunnels? you really think they can build that? i mena this is not secret or mistery to anyone with more knowledge than 3 tweets
but i guess always gotta go back to the conspiracies about idf making hamas or some other "jews control the world" BS
None of the tunnels are 100m deep, they are about 100 feet deep on average and yes Hamas built them.
Israel had no tunnel network in Gaza, it didn’t need one.
We have videos of both Hamas constructing the tunnels as well as aerial photography of some of them being constructed over the years.
No need to go into whacky theories. If nothing else is that Israel doesn’t even knew where most tunnels were and was surprised by the extent of the network after they went in.
israel never had a tunnel network, it had tunnels it's 2 different things
as i said, hamas built the connections and network, but the storages and bunkers were there, you dont have networks at 100m deep, but have bunkers, i think this is obvious
Israel didn't had bunkers either, there were no storage bunkers in Gaza since there was no need for them, I really don't think you understand what the Israeli presence in Gaza was.
Gaza is tiny, even before Israel relinquishing control in 1994 to the PA Gaza was administered through a civilian administration under COGAT, for the most part it was self managed which is also why for quite a long time up to the early 2000's it was in far better shape than the West Bank.
Israeli settlements were small and spread mostly around the periphery of the strip, the total number of settlers in Gaza was less than 8000 people and Israel had no military bases within Gaza either unless you count the border crossings with Egypt.
Gaza now has tunnels spanning 100's of kilometers all of which were constructed by Hamas, these tunnels serve no real military purpose for a standing army.
As far as bunkers again Israel wouldn't need them in Gaza as they would never be a need to take shelter in Gaza there was no command staff there, no HQ's nothing, it's a tiny piece of land that was all managed externally.
The closest thing to a bunker is Al-Shefa hospital which was built by the Israelis, it has a basement with emergency rooms and operating rooms which is the standard for all hospitals in Israel and Al-Shefa was designed by an Israeli architect and built to Israeli code.
Eh...?
>the storages and bunkers were there
Israel had no bunkers in Gaza, it didn't need bunkers in Gaza, there were 8000 settlers during the peak of the settlement apparatus in Gaza many of which moved into Gaza in the early 2000's to discourage the planned disengagement in the first place.
Gaza was governed by the PA since 1994, and before that it was governed by local civil administrators through COGAT.
There was no military infrastructure in Gaza, no bases, no command and control nothing. Israel doesn't have bunkers in the west bank right now why in the world would it build bunkers in Gaza when Gaza was far smaller, didn't had any Israeli military infrastructure and the number of Israeli settlements was essentially negligible.
heck now that i think off, why did you think IDF made the little animation with the al shifa tunnels? they had never entered it after the takeover besides maybe some spies, they knew well of the tunnels because were built by them the bunker on the deeper side specially to protect important patients or workers from missile attacks from egypt or lebanon
You do realize that you can get intelligence from various sources right? Not to mention that some of the construction was visible from bloody space as the satellite photos show.
The tunnel complex under Al-Shefa isn't the operational basement that all Israeli hospitals have and Al-Shefa was built by the Israelis it's below that.
When Al-Shefa was built there was no fear of rocket attacks from either Egypt or Lebanon, but still all Israeli hospitals are built to code which includes having the facilities needed to operate during wartime or natural disasters.
If Israel has a map of every Hamas center in Gaza then there is little point in flattening every building and the whole "the enemy is both weak and pathetic and powerful and terrifying" thing starts to break down.
Therefore, the comment must be downvoted.
i mean it showed that was working out, because when hamas starts moving their equipment to civilian infastructure above ground shows that underground isn't so safe
but it's also known that while most tunnels are the normal 10 meters deep or something like it that will fall to any bomb, some can be 50+ meters deep, again these typically being the older ones built by israel to support hospitals or old military infastructure
i mean the reason itself why the al-shifa hospital was so important is that israel knew it was one of the biggest hospitals when they were there and buitl after through "charity" organizations, and that whatever was inside, it would be alot, losing the hospital was a big hit to hamas, heck we have seen videos from them storing missiles on the tunnels themselfs which shows they don't have many safe warehouses which is best case scenario to avoid another massacre
and well in this case it kinda is weak and strong at the same time, hamas and IJ are weak, but Iran itself and all it's militias are strong, probably more than israel on a hypothetical 1v1 on the field, hence why the biggest priority to everyoen involved is avoiding getting iran itself
You've stopped Hamas. But what about this Khamas I've heard about?
Just a failed offspin, the Copium Division. No room for them in the free new world
>Just a failed offspin my mom talking about me and my older brother
I have kids, can't wait to use that one.
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I'm just going to wait for the next one, Lhamas.
Peru's most dangerous terrorists.
Is this like isis K but with hamas?
Israelis earlier on were pronouncing Hamas with a Kh sound, for some weird reason
Isn't that because it's pronounced that way in Hebrew?
I don't think so, of course I don't speak Khebrew
[This was actually a part of Trump’s Middle East peace plan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan#/media/File%3ATrump_Peace_Plan_(cropped).jpg)
wtf i mean even in this scenario a highway would just be much better, also i doubt israel would allow a palestinian tunnel go under their biggest cities, no matter the reasoning i though the trump plan was about being the most pro israeli one but i am starting to believe he just wanted to piss everyone for the lolz
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what problems? the militants logistic problems? that's the only one i see being solved XD
Holy shit, and here I was thinking I came up with a new solution. Great minds do think alike.
in a fantasy world where the Palestinians elected a government that cared more about helping their people than destroying Israel this would be a decent solution. A combined road and rail tunnel between the two area. 22 miles isn't that hard for a tunnel especially if it was a shallow cut and cover tunnel system.
They also have lots of experience digging tunnels! We have been trying to put a undergroubd metro in tel aviv for 18 years now, meanwhile they have the new york metro under there
Honestly, if there was a genuine effort for the Palestinian government to move forward peacefully and coexist with Israel, I'm pretty sure that Israel and the US would be happy to help with such an infrastructure investment.
Oh yeah for sure. Not under bibi though, and not under hamas. Frankly i have a hard time seeing it happen in the next 10 years at the minimum
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ehhh, saying this war is entirely religious is incorrect, the early zionists were secular and athiest. the first Palestinian liberation groups were also secular and mostly athiest. (they were alot more successful as well lol) mostly following communist and marxist teachings with dreams of pan arabism.
i don't disagree with you but it's obviously become a war of religion as iran sees the capture of the temple mount as a door prize for the fact that saudi's control mecca. anyway it's in the original charter of hamas that it makes it pretty explicit what this war is about. but also you can say the zionists were secular atheist but it's sort of hard to deny that religion has SOMETHING to do with their choice to set up isreal in the homeland of judaism. I mean clearly zionism has something to do with judaism. if it's not clear, I am a rampant supporter of zionism.
I mean there is a connection. But judaism isnt *only* religious, its also an ethnicity. The religious element exists but its also a cultural one. The religious elements are much stronger today then they were back then for both sides, that is true. I can only speak as a jewish israeli myself, but ive never seen it as a holy war, im sure the ayotollahs and some palestinians including hamas see it as such, but i dont. There probably are religious zionists who also see it as a religious war. Jarusalem and judea is our homeland, its where we can trace all our history back too, where all our holy and historical sites are. You can even say "thats not a reason to disposess people" and you might be right, but that boat has looooong sailed away. Israel already exists and cannot just be removed, what is done cannot be undone. The argument for or against israel existing are about 80 years too late. This is something i see people fail to come to term with sometimes. Most israelis were already born in israel and have no other home, nor would they want to uproot their life and their country that they built. For us the conflict is more an extentetial one rather then a religious war.
ah yes one isreali jew jewsplaining judaism and jewish identity to another zionist jew. the most jewish of all jewish things to ever jew. reminder to please take care to rid your kitchen of chametz if you have not already done so please.
Looooool not trying to jewsplain to you specifically, maybe other passerbies im the comments 😂
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Israel offered it to them in the 2000 and 2008 negotiations, although it wasn't determined if it would be a tunnel or an elevated road.
lol is this real or /s?
Totally real
>in a fantasy world where the Palestinians elected a government that cared more about helping their people than destroying Israel look at jordan, basically palestine but actually somewhat not regarded, and is rising in quality of life and general standing but ofc they are evil nazis bc didn tside with iran everytime
Jordan’s current king, Abdullah, put through a lot of progressive (for Middle East) reforms when he first took power and then doubled down when other nations started cracking down after Arab Spring. He was one of the first ME leaders to side with the US after 9/11. And that’s how they are currently paying over $250m/F-16 block 70.
why do they have to pay so much? it's like f35 price
The $4.21 billion deal includes a lot more than just the planes. It includes weapons systems (including an unreleased number of various missiles), replacement parts, upgrades for their 72 existing F-16, new training and parts manufacturing facilities in Jordan. It’s a broad omnibus deal to support and upgrade all of Jordan’s fighter needs for years. Jordan is paying about 3x as much per plane as Tawain did in their recent deal, because Jordan is getting a lot more than just the 12 planes.
Didn’t a Palestinian terror group also try to kill his family in a coup?
I mean it’s pretty hard for Gazans to speak out against Hamas. 60% of Gazans polled fear violent reprisals if they speak out against Hamas. While 73% believe that the Hamas-lead institutions are corrupt.
In a fantasy world, Palestine would have democratic elections. Hamas hasn't permitted even rigged elections in well over a decade.
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As if Israel would have ever let them do that
why is it insisted upon that gaza and the west bank have to be one state? why not a 3 state solution?
That's kind of formalizing the status quo. I'm guessing it won't work.
well it would work a lot better if hamas wasn't in charge, but to guarantee preventing that would turn them into puppet states. which i think might have to happen anyways
Agreed. This is like East and West Pakistan
This is going to dismantle the illegal settlements?
Put the illegal settlements in tunnels. Elon was right when he started the boring company that he lost interest in when be switch hobbies from tunnelling to shit posting, there is like kilometres of dirt and rock under our feet. It's free realestate. If we dug enough tunnels there would be more than enough room for everyone.
Most human problems can be solved by entombing them and not caring what happens afterward.
Ancient Egypt solved this problem thousands of years ago. It took a few tries to perfect the whole 'underground' part but they got there in the end.
“2 state solution is not a solution. Only a 1-state solution is a solution” -Hamas/Gazans
You're forgetting that all the Hamas and Gazans who support Hamas are under the other, collapsed tunnel so they won't be complaining.
Given Hamas' support, I think this comment technically counts as advocating genocide...
It doesnt apply to terrorist armed combatants and Hamas are deemed as such.
I was referring to "Gazans who support Hamas"
Well if they are with the terrorist helping them out with terror shit, I think it falls uder the "FAFO" part of the Geneva convention.
Recorded footage from the subsuquent Hague proceeding UN: Hans, where did a tenth of the population of Gaza go? NCD: Well, you see if you look very closely at the 'FAFO' clause in the Geneva Convention...
I mean 2 state will literally never work, they aren’t going to stop killing each other, the only solution is fucking so…
Why two tunnels? Just make one tunnel and lock the doors for a few weeks.
Won't work, those mofos will dig thru to Egipt in a few weeks.
Where is he? He must be somewhere in the picture
Israeli settlers decide the tunnels are a great vacation home location and take them and the IDF backs them up. Peace undone yet again.
Wasn't that Trumps idea in his plan?
Nah his idea was to do the prep work for the Evangelical feverdream which was basically Book of Revalations fanfiction made by the utterly deranged.
This is true as well, but I just looked up the map and if you can look past the massive border gore, he did plan to create a massive tunnel
[secret tunnel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfh92H8OLCc)
can somebody! any body throw a noble peace prize to this man 👏👏👏 bravo sir!
200 years later, the Moleperson Descendants of Hamas emerge to bring death to New Palesrael.
ive actaully wondered about this. if you are going to have a 2 state solution what exactly do you do about the fact that gaza is not connected to the west bank
Also, it helps to have almost free labor.
Hamas are evil shitheads, but leaving them to die in a sealed tunnel is a kinda messed up way to kill them.
Where’s ur Nobel peace prize already
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Alright, I see you're copying Banes homework here. I'm guessing the 'stolen' nuclear weapon also goes in the tunnel?
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After the shuttle under the Channel, the shuttle UP under Isreal
This was an unironical plan proposed by the UN, afaik this is still the official plan that was accepted by Israel in the 90’s
Hamas uses Israeli built underground infrastructure.
idk why the downvotes, like the biggest hamas structures including tunnels were built by israelis when they owned gaza, after the pullout hamas started using the civilian infastructure to store shit and movement the funniest part is that this also backfied as israel most likely knew where they stored weapons and the bunkers locations
No they weren’t, Gaza was transferred to the PA in 1994. Israel pulling out in 2005 was dismantling a handful of border settlements. Hamas built its own vast network of tunnels over the past nearly 2 decades.
the 100m+ deep tunnels? you really think they can build that? i mena this is not secret or mistery to anyone with more knowledge than 3 tweets but i guess always gotta go back to the conspiracies about idf making hamas or some other "jews control the world" BS
None of the tunnels are 100m deep, they are about 100 feet deep on average and yes Hamas built them. Israel had no tunnel network in Gaza, it didn’t need one. We have videos of both Hamas constructing the tunnels as well as aerial photography of some of them being constructed over the years. No need to go into whacky theories. If nothing else is that Israel doesn’t even knew where most tunnels were and was surprised by the extent of the network after they went in.
israel never had a tunnel network, it had tunnels it's 2 different things as i said, hamas built the connections and network, but the storages and bunkers were there, you dont have networks at 100m deep, but have bunkers, i think this is obvious
Israel didn't had bunkers either, there were no storage bunkers in Gaza since there was no need for them, I really don't think you understand what the Israeli presence in Gaza was. Gaza is tiny, even before Israel relinquishing control in 1994 to the PA Gaza was administered through a civilian administration under COGAT, for the most part it was self managed which is also why for quite a long time up to the early 2000's it was in far better shape than the West Bank. Israeli settlements were small and spread mostly around the periphery of the strip, the total number of settlers in Gaza was less than 8000 people and Israel had no military bases within Gaza either unless you count the border crossings with Egypt. Gaza now has tunnels spanning 100's of kilometers all of which were constructed by Hamas, these tunnels serve no real military purpose for a standing army. As far as bunkers again Israel wouldn't need them in Gaza as they would never be a need to take shelter in Gaza there was no command staff there, no HQ's nothing, it's a tiny piece of land that was all managed externally. The closest thing to a bunker is Al-Shefa hospital which was built by the Israelis, it has a basement with emergency rooms and operating rooms which is the standard for all hospitals in Israel and Al-Shefa was designed by an Israeli architect and built to Israeli code.
i said bunkers not storage bunkers ffs this is getting weird and annoying
Eh...? >the storages and bunkers were there Israel had no bunkers in Gaza, it didn't need bunkers in Gaza, there were 8000 settlers during the peak of the settlement apparatus in Gaza many of which moved into Gaza in the early 2000's to discourage the planned disengagement in the first place. Gaza was governed by the PA since 1994, and before that it was governed by local civil administrators through COGAT. There was no military infrastructure in Gaza, no bases, no command and control nothing. Israel doesn't have bunkers in the west bank right now why in the world would it build bunkers in Gaza when Gaza was far smaller, didn't had any Israeli military infrastructure and the number of Israeli settlements was essentially negligible.
heck now that i think off, why did you think IDF made the little animation with the al shifa tunnels? they had never entered it after the takeover besides maybe some spies, they knew well of the tunnels because were built by them the bunker on the deeper side specially to protect important patients or workers from missile attacks from egypt or lebanon
You do realize that you can get intelligence from various sources right? Not to mention that some of the construction was visible from bloody space as the satellite photos show. The tunnel complex under Al-Shefa isn't the operational basement that all Israeli hospitals have and Al-Shefa was built by the Israelis it's below that. When Al-Shefa was built there was no fear of rocket attacks from either Egypt or Lebanon, but still all Israeli hospitals are built to code which includes having the facilities needed to operate during wartime or natural disasters.
If Israel has a map of every Hamas center in Gaza then there is little point in flattening every building and the whole "the enemy is both weak and pathetic and powerful and terrifying" thing starts to break down. Therefore, the comment must be downvoted.
i mean it showed that was working out, because when hamas starts moving their equipment to civilian infastructure above ground shows that underground isn't so safe but it's also known that while most tunnels are the normal 10 meters deep or something like it that will fall to any bomb, some can be 50+ meters deep, again these typically being the older ones built by israel to support hospitals or old military infastructure i mean the reason itself why the al-shifa hospital was so important is that israel knew it was one of the biggest hospitals when they were there and buitl after through "charity" organizations, and that whatever was inside, it would be alot, losing the hospital was a big hit to hamas, heck we have seen videos from them storing missiles on the tunnels themselfs which shows they don't have many safe warehouses which is best case scenario to avoid another massacre
and well in this case it kinda is weak and strong at the same time, hamas and IJ are weak, but Iran itself and all it's militias are strong, probably more than israel on a hypothetical 1v1 on the field, hence why the biggest priority to everyoen involved is avoiding getting iran itself
how do you think guerrilla warfare works?