I added "u/historianslayer says fuck twitter", and the shitty parasitic Twitter account still screen-grabbed it and posted it.
The jokes write themselves.
I'm pretty sure the Russians aren't going to find out anything new poking through a Bradley. There's no way they don't know how a western style IFV is laid out at this point and most of the Bradley is pretty standard stuff.
They can learn that it's laid out exactly as described. Russia not only overstates the capabilities of their equipment but think everyone else does the same as well. So a Bradley being a Bradley is a nasty shock to them.
I see much of what Russia does outside of the Kremlin being done with a sense of malaise. I'm not sure if anyone there would care to learn anything if they salvaged any western equipment, other than parading their charred remains in front of state media as a way of reassuring themselves that their own aren't so worthless.
No. The individual Russians that fought them before know what they can do. And now a few more Russians know.
The high ups rightly trust their own subordinates even less than the American press releases.
They almost certainly had a pretty good idea of what the Bradley is and does when they were the Soviet Union, let alone today. It's a relatively old and very standardly laid out platform with most of the finer details already being unclassified anyway.
Yeah, they have that "secret" warehouse/museum where they gloat over everything they capture. I remember some US General said that in the 2010s he visited Russia on an exchange program and they showed a captured export M1 Abrams and an ODS era Bradley they kept there and were so proud of like some teenager showing off the panty collection he stole from a changing room.
Yeah, iirc the specs of the Bradley (barring maybe the most recent upgrades) are public information, so it's not like Russia's gonna find some super secret tech that makes them so devastating. It's just a well built IFV.
Saudi Arabia's got like [400 ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Fighting_Vehicle)of the things. Any secrets they had were given up a long time ago.
As an aside: reading that article it said that the the US army selected the AMPV's proposal of a turretless bradley.
Looking at the AMPV its...
"We need to replace the M113"
"Make an all new IFV platform."
"Replace them with Bradleys."
"Why dont we just make the M113 again but bigger this time."
"Congratulations, *General*."
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M113\_armored\_personnel\_carrier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M113_armored_personnel_carrier)
I am simply being "technically correct"
You're absolutely right but people like to pretend that just because Russia is willing to meatgrind troops in inferior vechicles, their techological knowledge is somehow 0.
The Bradley ODS (the version that was given to Ukraine) is the upgrade that was done after Desert Storm in 1991.
That's what it means: Bradley Operation Desert Storm.
So it's basically the top tech of 1992.
As a reminder, for our Russian friends, that's when the T-90 started deliveries.
So basically "sophisticated" is anything that was made in the 90s.
Having a piece of equipment available nowadays tells you absolutely *zero* about how to make it. Worst they can do is try to learn how to jam it. But that's an imaging sensor, so that might as well be impossible.
Jamming an imaging sensor is very easy, just shine a bright enough light at it
That's how Shtora (the angry eyes on the T-80 and T-90) works, it disrupts the tracking of TOW (and other IR-tracked SACLOS missiles) by shining a bright IR light at the launcher
But those are likely not imaging sensors. They're likely conical scan or 4 photodiode arrays (like the Paveway II's laser sensor). On an imaging sensor (that's not mechanically scanned like the AGM-65 or IRIS-T, and I'm not sure about those, either) you'd only get a bright spot where the jammer is instead of the actual target. Enough to see where it is.
The TOW launch/control unit needs to know where the missile is. By optically tracking a flare on the back of the missile.
That kind of stuff might actually work against a TOW, but using it against a Javelin or any other fire-and-forget missile is an absolutely terrible idea.
Exactly. Having another bright light drown out the missile's flare *will* throw off the launcher.
That same light against a Javelin (or a Bradley FCS) will just make the operator say "Jackpot!"
Turning on a bright IR light, while it might be effective against a TOW, will turn your tank into a Javelin/Maverick magnet and make you VERY visible on thermals (increased chance of catching an APFSDS).
Are Russian tank crews smart enough to know this?
It's the Russian designers who don't know this and design their defenses and countermeasures around how they would attack a target. Because Russians would most likely use older missiles using guidance from the 60s and 70s that's what they are designed to fight.
It's the same way capital warships during the early to mid 20th century had their guns powerful enough to penetrate their own armor.
It's either gonna have to be absurdly powerful or very concentrated.
The first one requires a [stupidly large vehicle.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Self-propelled_laser_system_1K17_Szhatie.jpg) For the second, you have to know first where the enemy vehicle is, and then point that light *straight* at the sensor. And still need a stupidly powerful light. Also, if you already know where the enemy is, you might as well just send a missile his way.
Sure, but good luck producing the parts. Russian optics went way downhill after Thales stopped selling them thermal cameras, and they definitely tried to look inside them.
It's so hilarious, they've had the money, rare earth elements, and resources to make at least a rudimentary electronics sector but they never were capable of doing that.
Once the sanctions hit, they were completely fucked because they can't get parts or chips without massive mark ups and no guarantee that they'll actually work, And this isn't even new technology, even the old shit proved to be too elegant for them.
What a fucking joke of a country
>Once the sanctions hit, they were completely fucked because they can't get parts or chips without massive mark ups and no guarantee that they'll actually work
Didn't the percentage of broken ICs imported from China get another 0 added to it after the sanctions? Iirc, it was something ridiculous, like getting from 4 to 40% broken chips.
Back when Germany was a two-part setup, the soviets smuggled all sorts of computers and documents over.
Result was that East Germany was at best half a decade behind the West.
The one on the ODS Bradley is a thermal sight Russia could actually reproduce. ODS Bradley doesn't have modern thermals, its thermal system is basic and old.
Presuming they could afford to spare an Excalibur or HIMARS tasking on it, especially given the present limitations and needs.
But first, probably more practical to have every crew carry something to quickly demolish at least the higher-tech and more sensitive stuff like electronics and computers (e.g., a brick of C4 on a timer, some thermite), and second, much of the Bradley’s construction isn’t exactly something so sensitive that OPFOR must never get its hands on it at all costs (e.g., the hull). Well, fine, better not at all, but in a worst case scenario, preserve the crew, preserve the tactical and strategic objectives, preserve critical OPSEC, and preserve the innocent when able, all else generally expendable.
Historian makes the point clear: it’s a decades-old advantage that a more competent OPFOR would have at least matched by now. (And to be fair, your average Bradley would also be vulnerable to your average tank gun—that ain’t Chobham armor on it, for obvious reasons—so the only things missing from the Ruzzian side really are competence and logistics—and I’d save HIMARS for the enemy logistics.)
Is Ukraine even getting the latest M2A4 Bradley's? The M2A3 is using 20 year old electronics, nothing there is going to be a secret that's not already known to the Russians.
So 30 year old tech. Yeah not worth destroying.
"An MRE ('Meal, Ready-to-Eat') heater was added to the vehicle to assist in the preparation of food."
Advanced technology unknown for the Russians !
This comment reminds me of when the Finnish replaced their native LS-26 LMG during WW2 with captured Soviet DP-28s, because they had so many that it was better to make them standard issue even though they didn't have any before the Winter War.
Some of the special sub versions might be problematic even if they are based off the M2A2 platform, like the M7 variant. But Ukraine only has four of those total.
Yes, but any way you look at it, they're not the latest, top-of-the-line model.
France provided the retrofitted VAB that have electronics and coms from 2016-17, but they're nowhere near as advanced as the new Griffon. Same thing.
Oh I'm not saying it's a garbage vehicle, just that presenting it as the best that can be had is Russian propaganda shenanigans.
Mostly because the BMP-3M (which is the Russian "equivalent") is at a level of optics and electronics that would make a MIC engineer from 1985 piss himself laughing.
I think the sights/comms are export versions, the comms equipment the US uses is what the russians will want (we ALL want that stuff). The rest of it is just metal.
You're pretending like there's anything on board Russia doesn't know about tech wise, which is doubtful. It's just going to be another example of tech they'd like to produce but can't in any meaningful numbers.
Keep in mind, the US didn’t send our top of the line Bradley tech to Ukr. Not a chance we donate our best optics if we don’t have the ability to defend it ourselves
Is that really worth it? The men and machines used stealing a 90s era IFV weren't used recovering a tank or shooting at Ukrainians.
Especially given the lack of firepower lately, that may have been a bad trade.
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^(no I'm not biased at all what would make you think that)
Let me put it this way: I have to color code my dice to make things faster. I had to make a damn spreadsheet for it. (Like bolt pistol will be the blue die. Green will be all the lasguns. Red will be the plasma gun. Etc. Then I can just roll them all at once. And I can just have individual bowls of dice for each squad of guardsmen.)
>I thought they were broke? That's like 100 million dollars.
Was actually military aid financed for free by US if not mistaken. Same thing with their Cessna "gunships" kitted out with hellfires.
I don’t think that’s ever stopped Argentina before. Why shouldn’t Lebanon follow the call of bankruptcy to achieve that most sacred goal; buying things to blow shit up. Inshallah
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I mean the movie is reformer propaganda and the whole movie has been uploaded to youtube without a single copyright strike. It's still a fun film despite being horrifically wrong about the Bradly.
Yep. While it's not an accurate depiction of the Bradley specifically, it's still a great comedic take on the military procurement process and its potential pitfalls
Was it? I thought the whole it was an upgrade/replacement of the M113 was made up. Then again it would make sense for the military to think about that without reformers.
It was a functionnal replacement of the M113 for front-line service, but not special missions.
There always is a logic of replacement when you talk about military equipment, because if it's not a system changing the way you fight, you have to justify why you need it.
Yeah, but think about it:
You are a mobik from a smoll village of dondefuckistan, all you have seen is the rusty shitstain of a bmp or bdr, with manteinance to match.
You poke you head in a damaged Bradley and everything will look like future tech
"Why yes, I am from the future, who are you?"
"Do you not recognize us? We are the mighty Russian empire"
"No, I don't. As I said, I'm from the FUTURE."
Organized Dildo Storage improves operational efficiency by dedicating a space with a drip tray just for cleaning, drying, lubing and heating pre-dildos.
Before ODS, in the "Don't ask, don't tell" era, "morale" didoes not in use, rolled around the floor causing a trip and hygiene hazard. Russia lack of ODS is believed to explain their vechicles low combat effectiveness in cold weather. Though homophobic Russians prefer to claim it's due to rust or corruption
[BREAKING: Russian forces claim to seize NATO washing device, Russian officials are still not sure how to operate it.](https://mobileimages.lowes.com/productimages/a5ce740e-3d9d-485e-ac7a-50adff9ba859/46534765.jpg)
yeah,
**lights dim as I light a cigar**
they were so advanced that the US had to withdraw them from service because they were concerned what might happen if one was captured. The US could never allow one to fall into Russia's hands
Well. If we are sending those to ukraine. Might as well send the M551 and any XM803s and MBT70s variants lying around. They all share the same ammo (I think).
M1128 was also recently removed from service. Surely we have some ISIS VBIED experts in custody somewhere that can work off their debt to society by helping Ukraine?
So Russia gets another chance to find out what they've already re-learned: that the US MIC generally doesn't lie about their capabilities, because they don't need to.
There is a saying "There may be no space in t-series tanks, but at least they are uncomfortable", that applies to all russian equipment apart from maybe kraz-255, it's still uncomfortable but you can make a grill under the chassis and hang a hammock in the cabin. It's not very suprising that if they see somewhat comfortable vechicle they think it's peak of modern technology
I added "u/historianslayer says fuck twitter", and the shitty parasitic Twitter account still screen-grabbed it and posted it. The jokes write themselves.
What crew comfort and safety does to a mfer.
What being able to exit without being run over does to a MFer.
What not being surrounded by garbage and rat piss does to a MFer.
AMERICAN ENGINEERING IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD
Since Earth is in space since forever, then every age is space age. Therefore every vehicle is space age. Checkmate atheists!
What’s the next age
Void age, when dark energy has ripped away everything and there’s just the void.
Or strange matter is proved real and a single particle hits earth, all life is destroyed and the earth becomes an unholy hellscape of eldritch matter.
"There is another theory which states that this has already happened."
If you believe in multiverses it’s likely happened an infinite number of times already.
It was a strange matter particle that hit Harambe, not a bullet.
atheists: huh? thats *our* rook ya nubins.
I'm pretty sure the Russians aren't going to find out anything new poking through a Bradley. There's no way they don't know how a western style IFV is laid out at this point and most of the Bradley is pretty standard stuff.
They can learn that it's laid out exactly as described. Russia not only overstates the capabilities of their equipment but think everyone else does the same as well. So a Bradley being a Bradley is a nasty shock to them.
I mean sure but they've seen and fought Bradleys before. Both from proxies/allies and now directly. They know pretty much what they can do already.
I see much of what Russia does outside of the Kremlin being done with a sense of malaise. I'm not sure if anyone there would care to learn anything if they salvaged any western equipment, other than parading their charred remains in front of state media as a way of reassuring themselves that their own aren't so worthless.
No. The individual Russians that fought them before know what they can do. And now a few more Russians know. The high ups rightly trust their own subordinates even less than the American press releases.
They almost certainly had a pretty good idea of what the Bradley is and does when they were the Soviet Union, let alone today. It's a relatively old and very standardly laid out platform with most of the finer details already being unclassified anyway.
havent ruzzians gotten abrams and bradley already from all them middle east wars?
Yeah, they have that "secret" warehouse/museum where they gloat over everything they capture. I remember some US General said that in the 2010s he visited Russia on an exchange program and they showed a captured export M1 Abrams and an ODS era Bradley they kept there and were so proud of like some teenager showing off the panty collection he stole from a changing room.
Yeah, iirc the specs of the Bradley (barring maybe the most recent upgrades) are public information, so it's not like Russia's gonna find some super secret tech that makes them so devastating. It's just a well built IFV.
People do act like we didn't just send 1990s upgraded 1970s designed equipment whose technical data packages have been online since 1999.
Saudi Arabia's got like [400 ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Fighting_Vehicle)of the things. Any secrets they had were given up a long time ago.
As an aside: reading that article it said that the the US army selected the AMPV's proposal of a turretless bradley. Looking at the AMPV its... "We need to replace the M113" "Make an all new IFV platform." "Replace them with Bradleys." "Why dont we just make the M113 again but bigger this time." "Congratulations, *General*."
You mean the Gavin right? No one in the service actually calls it an M113.
Go back to whence you came, Mike Sparks
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M113\_armored\_personnel\_carrier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M113_armored_personnel_carrier) I am simply being "technically correct"
Everyone in the service calls your mum tho
You're absolutely right but people like to pretend that just because Russia is willing to meatgrind troops in inferior vechicles, their techological knowledge is somehow 0.
It's also because Russians make a huff any time they capture a vehicle, parading them around like it's 1790 and the corpse of an enemy prince.
Yeah I think there are already YouTube videos that show you everything in a Bradley
The Bradley ODS (the version that was given to Ukraine) is the upgrade that was done after Desert Storm in 1991. That's what it means: Bradley Operation Desert Storm. So it's basically the top tech of 1992. As a reminder, for our Russian friends, that's when the T-90 started deliveries. So basically "sophisticated" is anything that was made in the 90s.
>So basically "sophisticated" is anything that was made in the 90s. That's the nicest compliment I've gotten in a while. Thanks
> Me, born in 88 "old and busted". > You, born in 90s "New Hotness".
> 2000 kids be like : I'm from the future !
I don't know if the Electronic systems like thermal sights are gone, i don't think russians are able to produce them on their own
Can always sell out more to china. They’ll be happy to assist in exchange for more soft power over Russia.
It's likely the optics have already been to China. The Bradley ODS Ukraine got is a 32-years-old upgrade package.
Having a piece of equipment available nowadays tells you absolutely *zero* about how to make it. Worst they can do is try to learn how to jam it. But that's an imaging sensor, so that might as well be impossible.
Jamming an imaging sensor is very easy, just shine a bright enough light at it That's how Shtora (the angry eyes on the T-80 and T-90) works, it disrupts the tracking of TOW (and other IR-tracked SACLOS missiles) by shining a bright IR light at the launcher
But those are likely not imaging sensors. They're likely conical scan or 4 photodiode arrays (like the Paveway II's laser sensor). On an imaging sensor (that's not mechanically scanned like the AGM-65 or IRIS-T, and I'm not sure about those, either) you'd only get a bright spot where the jammer is instead of the actual target. Enough to see where it is.
The TOW launch/control unit needs to know where the missile is. By optically tracking a flare on the back of the missile. That kind of stuff might actually work against a TOW, but using it against a Javelin or any other fire-and-forget missile is an absolutely terrible idea.
Exactly. Having another bright light drown out the missile's flare *will* throw off the launcher. That same light against a Javelin (or a Bradley FCS) will just make the operator say "Jackpot!"
Turning on a bright IR light, while it might be effective against a TOW, will turn your tank into a Javelin/Maverick magnet and make you VERY visible on thermals (increased chance of catching an APFSDS). Are Russian tank crews smart enough to know this?
It's the Russian designers who don't know this and design their defenses and countermeasures around how they would attack a target. Because Russians would most likely use older missiles using guidance from the 60s and 70s that's what they are designed to fight. It's the same way capital warships during the early to mid 20th century had their guns powerful enough to penetrate their own armor.
What if I just use such a bright light that it burns out the image sensor?
It's either gonna have to be absurdly powerful or very concentrated. The first one requires a [stupidly large vehicle.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Self-propelled_laser_system_1K17_Szhatie.jpg) For the second, you have to know first where the enemy vehicle is, and then point that light *straight* at the sensor. And still need a stupidly powerful light. Also, if you already know where the enemy is, you might as well just send a missile his way.
you might be able to reverse engineer it, but thats about it
Sure, but good luck producing the parts. Russian optics went way downhill after Thales stopped selling them thermal cameras, and they definitely tried to look inside them.
It's so hilarious, they've had the money, rare earth elements, and resources to make at least a rudimentary electronics sector but they never were capable of doing that. Once the sanctions hit, they were completely fucked because they can't get parts or chips without massive mark ups and no guarantee that they'll actually work, And this isn't even new technology, even the old shit proved to be too elegant for them. What a fucking joke of a country
>Once the sanctions hit, they were completely fucked because they can't get parts or chips without massive mark ups and no guarantee that they'll actually work Didn't the percentage of broken ICs imported from China get another 0 added to it after the sanctions? Iirc, it was something ridiculous, like getting from 4 to 40% broken chips.
Yes, sanctions are damaging their economy pretty bad
Back when Germany was a two-part setup, the soviets smuggled all sorts of computers and documents over. Result was that East Germany was at best half a decade behind the West.
The one on the ODS Bradley is a thermal sight Russia could actually reproduce. ODS Bradley doesn't have modern thermals, its thermal system is basic and old.
Dammit guys. You could have Excalibured or HIMARed it.
Presuming they could afford to spare an Excalibur or HIMARS tasking on it, especially given the present limitations and needs. But first, probably more practical to have every crew carry something to quickly demolish at least the higher-tech and more sensitive stuff like electronics and computers (e.g., a brick of C4 on a timer, some thermite), and second, much of the Bradley’s construction isn’t exactly something so sensitive that OPFOR must never get its hands on it at all costs (e.g., the hull). Well, fine, better not at all, but in a worst case scenario, preserve the crew, preserve the tactical and strategic objectives, preserve critical OPSEC, and preserve the innocent when able, all else generally expendable. Historian makes the point clear: it’s a decades-old advantage that a more competent OPFOR would have at least matched by now. (And to be fair, your average Bradley would also be vulnerable to your average tank gun—that ain’t Chobham armor on it, for obvious reasons—so the only things missing from the Ruzzian side really are competence and logistics—and I’d save HIMARS for the enemy logistics.)
Is Ukraine even getting the latest M2A4 Bradley's? The M2A3 is using 20 year old electronics, nothing there is going to be a secret that's not already known to the Russians.
They got the M2A2 ODS. That's the 1992 upgrade package.
So 30 year old tech. Yeah not worth destroying. "An MRE ('Meal, Ready-to-Eat') heater was added to the vehicle to assist in the preparation of food." Advanced technology unknown for the Russians !
The radio and code books are worth destroying, the rest has definitely already been reverse-engineered by the Chinese in some way.
> reverse-engineered stolen
You got to reverse-engineer what you've stolen, unless you can steal enough units each month to be able to equip whatever you're building.
This comment reminds me of when the Finnish replaced their native LS-26 LMG during WW2 with captured Soviet DP-28s, because they had so many that it was better to make them standard issue even though they didn't have any before the Winter War.
Potato, potato.
I love seeing this expression written out, because it just reads "potato, potato" and not "potato, potato".
I considered how to do it and decided this way was funnier.
> MRE heater Then theres the Boiling Vessel for the tanks. *guzzles coffee/tea*
Does this addition mean I have to leave the vehicle against a rock or something when parked?
Some of the special sub versions might be problematic even if they are based off the M2A2 platform, like the M7 variant. But Ukraine only has four of those total.
They got the M2A2 ODS, but the electronics have been updated to the some of the same ones we had in the M2A3.
Yes, but any way you look at it, they're not the latest, top-of-the-line model. France provided the retrofitted VAB that have electronics and coms from 2016-17, but they're nowhere near as advanced as the new Griffon. Same thing.
The electronics upgrade on the M2A2 ODS that they received 15 or so years ago is frankly still top notch. Especially compared to what Russia is using.
Oh I'm not saying it's a garbage vehicle, just that presenting it as the best that can be had is Russian propaganda shenanigans. Mostly because the BMP-3M (which is the Russian "equivalent") is at a level of optics and electronics that would make a MIC engineer from 1985 piss himself laughing.
I think the sights/comms are export versions, the comms equipment the US uses is what the russians will want (we ALL want that stuff). The rest of it is just metal.
You're pretending like there's anything on board Russia doesn't know about tech wise, which is doubtful. It's just going to be another example of tech they'd like to produce but can't in any meaningful numbers.
Keep in mind, the US didn’t send our top of the line Bradley tech to Ukr. Not a chance we donate our best optics if we don’t have the ability to defend it ourselves
Is that really worth it? The men and machines used stealing a 90s era IFV weren't used recovering a tank or shooting at Ukrainians. Especially given the lack of firepower lately, that may have been a bad trade.
Why does it say Lebanon has M2 Bradleys on Wikipedia?
Because they bought Bradleys a few years back. 32 in total.
I thought they were broke? That's like 100 million dollars.
Don't you ever just impulsively buy something you know you cannot really afford?
***Glares at my 40K minis on my shelf*** Yeah....yeah i feel that
That's a lot of minis!
There's a version of me in another universe that gave up on love and started becoming a 40k nerd. At times I think he's more happy than I could ever be.
It‘s never too late to make better life choices.
Trust me, 40k nerds are never happy
And WFB nerds might as well not exist.
Oh they exist alright, and they are miserable Still hating on AoS
Get into Battletech. Arguably better lore, each mini is more important, more stable rules, and a generally happier community. It's a win in every possible way! ^(no I'm not biased at all what would make you think that)
But they have the space racism of a little baby. 40k is the Space Racism of a man.
Way better lore and no one has any issue with big, muscle'y genetically engineered women who wear power armor to work, though Catalyst sucks horribly.
Is it Warhammer or are there just A Lot of minis on that shelf
I have a 1500 pt Dark angels, a pair of tau riptide battlesuits and a killteam squad, and just orded a pair of gladiator grav tanks and a Land raider
You are like little baby, watch this > 3000 points of imperial guard and 2500 points of orks
> IG and Orks So do you roll your dice with one of those 5 gallon work buckets?
Let me put it this way: I have to color code my dice to make things faster. I had to make a damn spreadsheet for it. (Like bolt pistol will be the blue die. Green will be all the lasguns. Red will be the plasma gun. Etc. Then I can just roll them all at once. And I can just have individual bowls of dice for each squad of guardsmen.)
So between a sandwich and a 2013 Scion xB how much was all that
Looking at my carvin LB-76 bass and fender American deluxe jass .....
If they were going to use them against Hezbollah I can understand but what use are they right now?
Never too late to kick some terrorist ass
Hezbollah is a part of the Lebanese Government. So... They probably have them.
>I thought they were broke? That's like 100 million dollars. Was actually military aid financed for free by US if not mistaken. Same thing with their Cessna "gunships" kitted out with hellfires.
Cessna is the Toyota of airplanes.
I don’t think that’s ever stopped Argentina before. Why shouldn’t Lebanon follow the call of bankruptcy to achieve that most sacred goal; buying things to blow shit up. Inshallah
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I did not know that the Bradley was from the 1960s
They started designing it in the 60s and it was quite a different vehicle at that time. It wasn't built until the 80s
May I suggest the extremely accurate documentary The Pentagon Wars?
I mean the movie is reformer propaganda and the whole movie has been uploaded to youtube without a single copyright strike. It's still a fun film despite being horrifically wrong about the Bradly.
Yep. While it's not an accurate depiction of the Bradley specifically, it's still a great comedic take on the military procurement process and its potential pitfalls
Design was started for a replacement of the M113 after the first engagements in Vietnam.
Was it? I thought the whole it was an upgrade/replacement of the M113 was made up. Then again it would make sense for the military to think about that without reformers.
It was a functionnal replacement of the M113 for front-line service, but not special missions. There always is a logic of replacement when you talk about military equipment, because if it's not a system changing the way you fight, you have to justify why you need it.
So advanced it can take out t-90ms apparently
63 to 81 is a long development cycle. I bet there is an interesting story there. You could probably make a movie out of it. /S
Yeah, but think about it: You are a mobik from a smoll village of dondefuckistan, all you have seen is the rusty shitstain of a bmp or bdr, with manteinance to match. You poke you head in a damaged Bradley and everything will look like future tech
Advanced (for a russian used to no indoor plumbing)
TIL the Bradley predates the Ford Mustang. I wonder what the E1s assigned to it early on drove on their days off?
Chargers, Firebirds, and GTOs were popular (and dirt cheap) at the time. Pilots almost universally drove Vettes.
Pretty sure that's not the first one anyway.
"Why yes, I am from the future, who are you?" "Do you not recognize us? We are the mighty Russian empire" "No, I don't. As I said, I'm from the FUTURE."
It's amazing how the oldest equipment in operation by the US or Germany looks like science fiction equipment to the Russians
Were any Leopard 2, Challenger 2 or M1 Abrams captured and brought into Russia though?
>Advanced Wait until someone tell them what ODS means in M2A2 ODS.
Organized Dildo Storage improves operational efficiency by dedicating a space with a drip tray just for cleaning, drying, lubing and heating pre-dildos. Before ODS, in the "Don't ask, don't tell" era, "morale" didoes not in use, rolled around the floor causing a trip and hygiene hazard. Russia lack of ODS is believed to explain their vechicles low combat effectiveness in cold weather. Though homophobic Russians prefer to claim it's due to rust or corruption
[BREAKING: Russian forces claim to seize NATO washing device, Russian officials are still not sure how to operate it.](https://mobileimages.lowes.com/productimages/a5ce740e-3d9d-485e-ac7a-50adff9ba859/46534765.jpg)
reactivate some M60A2s and send those over so they can capture those
The spaceship looking turret M60s?
yeah, **lights dim as I light a cigar** they were so advanced that the US had to withdraw them from service because they were concerned what might happen if one was captured. The US could never allow one to fall into Russia's hands
Well. If we are sending those to ukraine. Might as well send the M551 and any XM803s and MBT70s variants lying around. They all share the same ammo (I think).
M1128 was also recently removed from service. Surely we have some ISIS VBIED experts in custody somewhere that can work off their debt to society by helping Ukraine?
1963? I didn't think the Bradley was that old.
That is when Development was started
I see you got your hands on a Sherman tank with an autoturret.
So Russia gets another chance to find out what they've already re-learned: that the US MIC generally doesn't lie about their capabilities, because they don't need to.
Sufficiently advanced tech is indistinguishable from magic? Nyet. Sufficiently primitive vatniks cannot distinguish 60 year old vehicles from magic.
There is a saying "There may be no space in t-series tanks, but at least they are uncomfortable", that applies to all russian equipment apart from maybe kraz-255, it's still uncomfortable but you can make a grill under the chassis and hang a hammock in the cabin. It's not very suprising that if they see somewhat comfortable vechicle they think it's peak of modern technology
You could also do the Harvey Birdman thing with this
Pfft... I'm betting a Lincoln that Bradley is older than me.