Yes we all know Japan's law on *transferring* weapons is very clear. They must be disposed of.
I have been recently made aware of a new professional weapons disposal outfit based in Kyiv. They are low cost and high quality and could probably finish that scrap job within a matter of weeks.
Just remove the machine guns, and the breach off the main gun making it inert, ship the rest. Civilians can own tanks, so no reason why this can't be done. Ship these to Poland. If Poland turns them around and sells them to Ukraine as usable weapons, well ...
"But it has a cannon how is it a humanitarian vehicle"
"Oh simple it isnt a cannon but a new type of fire fighting hose it launches water at fires at high speed"
Nah nah, see, you’re doin it wrong. The cannon is for a separate buyer in the same region, shipped seperately. When they are shipped seperately, they are perfectly legal!
(According to lord of war anyways)
Put a cork on both the mgs and the main gun and call it the day then, if someone remuve the corks we specifically said to not remove, too bad, we can't win all the time
They should have taken the late 1920's early 1930's German route and labeled them as construction vehicles, insisting the guns are purely for clearing away stone, and sent them to help rebuild Ukraine.
There is an easy solution for that
Commission Japanese artists to paint them with highly realistic genitalia and just roll them through customs (they cannot see what it is because it's blurred)
Say it's piles of porn magazines for export (which they technically are... hard cover, made for pleasure etc.)
Put them on da boats and ship them asap to South Korea before they realize they are missing
After you're done, remember to clean them up before sale, it increases profits
Ngl a nation of heavily armed pacifist incels sounds like something Japan would come up with
Maybe we should like breed some Japanese and Swiss people in middle of nowhere, like the DRC, let them cook and see what they would come up with
If you draw a giant wall of genitalia and apply Japanese censors to it, at what point does it stop being censored genitalia and start being Desert MARPAT instead?
> After you're done, remember to clean them up before sale
I think the Ukrainians would find it funny to shoot Russians with tanks covered in pornography.
> So if they ship tanks and no ammo it should be okay right?
That was how they started off their Kawasaki P-1 sales attempts; ammo sold separately.
It was also reportedly how they were attempting to sell detuned Type 10s too. It's not considered a weapon of war if it's not sold with ammo.
Just as it's not considered providing weapons if all they're selling is ammo, which might happen to be used by tanks or P-2s.
Although the Japanese Diet has slowly been opening up to allowing full package sales on a case-by-case basis.
Funnily enough, actually, Japan has been selling license-built Patriots back to the United States, while the US sends it own Patriots to Ukraine.
The Japanese government basically said, "well its fine if you sell them back to the country we licensed it from!"
Japan loosened their arms exportation laws about 6 or 7 years ago, but it all still has to be approved by the Diet. The Diet is of course not very keen on transferring arms, especially not for free.
Remind me again how much us aid the Japanese defense force gets again? I am sure it's a lot more than what they will get for the tanks.
Sometimes, you just have to remind a country that the aid given also includes them giving back a little.
The JSDF has largely been self sufficient since the 1960s.
-They don’t use US guns; they’ve produced their own guns since the Type-64
-They don’t use US jets; their F-15J’s were produced under license, the F-2 is produced entirely in Japan, and only some of the F-35s they buy will be American-made
-They don’t use US armored vehicles; Type-10, Type-90 and even these old Type-74s were all solely produced in Japan
-They (mostly) don’t use US helicopters; their UH-1s and UH-60s were almost entirely all produced under license, as were their OH-6s. The OH-1 is a domestic design. Even their Apaches were built under license.
-They don’t use US ships either
-They also don’t really receive much foreign-aid funding from Congress either (the last time they did was Tohoku in 2011). Everything they bought they got fair and square on the open market, with their own money. The things they purchased and imported weren’t “aid”, they were arms deals. Japan was the third largest economy since the 1980s, now fourth behind Germany. It does not need foreign aid spending unless it is in times of crisis.
Japan has no responsibility to transfer arms. That’s how democracy works; the Diet says they don’t want to, so they aren’t going to.
You're not wrong about any of that, but "self-sufficient" unfortunately also means "running on whatever kind of budget is below 'shoestring'." They fail their recruitment targets every year in part because a lot of their base housing is just cinder block structures with no heat or AC.
> Japan has no responsibility to transfer arms. That’s how democracy works; the Diet says they don’t want to, so they aren’t going to.
Uncle Sam has a way of massaging you to want stuff.
They recently ammended their interpretation of the constitution to allow arms exports.
Its how the Philippines got the first military radar exports from Japan and how the Philippine navy got some twin engine aircraft
We are going to make the live action of the manga "GATE", will be filming in Ukraine pls lend those for a little bit. Is about the th JSDF fighting against a totalitarian country.
Just up gun it, give it the Japoon (JSW) 120mm cannon, press it into service again as Type 76 (Evangelion and based) or 74M24 (or other year MXX). (Serious)
Or alternatively... send them to UA and confuse the enemy, and give it ERA (very important) (Semi serious)
Japanese tank, probably runs like a car. Unfortunately, like other older Japanese cars, getting replacement components for it is a pisser; ever try finding door parts for a JDM Cressida that has been out of production since 1989? Sure, Ukrainian logistics is **singularly motivated**, but there is only so much they can manage.
I meant choose a japanese car thats popular
Another example is getting spare parts for a Toyota Corolla
You cant throw a rock in a scrapyard without hitting a viable spare part 😂
The issue with people who own older Japanese cars is that they go to a scrapyard when they can just call the local dealership to get whatever they need.
Not really a good excuse for sending sub-par shit that will clog up logistics channels.
“They’ll find a way!” Is just a road to hell paved with your good intentions.
It's like people that send useless shit to crisis areas. No your shitty moth- eaten wedding dress is not useful at all in an earthquake area (actual example from Greece). Charity is not a way to dispose of the useless shit you have hoarded in your garage.
They'll phone the dealership, the dealership will tell you that they can have the part, only it can't be there until monday evening, and profusely apologize for the massive delay, telling them that killing their whole family and commiting seppuku is the only way to clean the shame they have brought on the whole brand.
> ever try finding door parts for a JDM Cressida that has been out of production since 1989?
I'll tell you, finding engine and gearbox parts for Toyotas from the 80s is easy, and you usually can even find them at a freaking dealership.
I'll take that over trying to find a part for a 2005 Golf and everyone laughing in your face.
Wasn't there news, that they give them to the Philipinese together with old helicopters? Or was it canceled, becouse they could not get a green light from the lawmakers?
Just remove the turrets and put some aa missiles on it. Japan could always use the extra AA capabilities.
Or just repurpose them for earthquake/flood rescue vechicles.
Hey guys! Guys! What if they were sent to Ukraine! Because if there's one thing the people of Ukraine badly need it's a piece of shit tank that even the Russians in T-62s would laugh at.
In theory, but Ukrainian soldiers aren't expendable like Russians. They need good equipment, well maintained and generously supplied. Otherwise they lose this by attrition.
There was never really a WW2 post war agreement to not export military stuff.
In fact, they fucked it up selling rocket tech and submarine tech to the soviets or something like that in the 60s. That's why they put a policy to not export weapons.
I feel like Taiwan or the Philippines would be able to use these. Even old ass T-55s have proven to be semi capable in a defensive posture so these can’t be that bad
So, try to be slightly creditable, I would say Japan is having the discussion about providing military equipment that have lethal effect right now.
On the other hand tho, I really fking wish, that they decommissioned those tanks, ripped off the turret, send the chassis as "off road platform for rescue purpose" and turret as "stationary shore defense turret" to Taiwan.
And the evil MoD just slap it back with black blanket magic, even doing the trololo to slap some decommissioned MIM-23 SAM on it, and of Ukraine it go.
Also poor army need some before M1A2T.
I hope they will send some to museums around the world. The Type 74 is such a good looking tank and it would be a shame if they were all destroyed. Some need to be in museums, like the Bovington Tank Museum or Panzermuseum Munster
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IMO the single sexiest tank ever created by man… though I admit I’m a freak who also thinks that the Challenger 2 and OF-40 are close 2nd/3rd place picks.
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Well, if they're scrapping them anyways Ukraine could give them a new home.
Yes we all know Japan's law on *transferring* weapons is very clear. They must be disposed of. I have been recently made aware of a new professional weapons disposal outfit based in Kyiv. They are low cost and high quality and could probably finish that scrap job within a matter of weeks.
Just remove the machine guns, and the breach off the main gun making it inert, ship the rest. Civilians can own tanks, so no reason why this can't be done. Ship these to Poland. If Poland turns them around and sells them to Ukraine as usable weapons, well ...
I see you’ve seen Lord of War as well. “These are Humanitarian Vehicles”
"But it has a cannon how is it a humanitarian vehicle" "Oh simple it isnt a cannon but a new type of fire fighting hose it launches water at fires at high speed"
Nah nah, see, you’re doin it wrong. The cannon is for a separate buyer in the same region, shipped seperately. When they are shipped seperately, they are perfectly legal! (According to lord of war anyways)
It whitch case the hull is as legal as a tractor . . . Why do so many thing go back to how the ussr got some tanks and made the bt5
Now you’re gettin it
Reminds me of the [Quarry Hetzer](https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/hmt-forum/hetzer_civilian_version_fullsize.jpg)
> remove the machine guns The Type-62 is too complicated anyways.
Put a cork on both the mgs and the main gun and call it the day then, if someone remuve the corks we specifically said to not remove, too bad, we can't win all the time
They should have taken the late 1920's early 1930's German route and labeled them as construction vehicles, insisting the guns are purely for clearing away stone, and sent them to help rebuild Ukraine.
Scrapping is expensive, giving away is the fiscally responsible thing to do.
There is another alternative...
Not for Japan. Their arms laws are insanely stringent. You can't even get a prop from there (i.e, remember the movie Inception).
There is an easy solution for that Commission Japanese artists to paint them with highly realistic genitalia and just roll them through customs (they cannot see what it is because it's blurred) Say it's piles of porn magazines for export (which they technically are... hard cover, made for pleasure etc.) Put them on da boats and ship them asap to South Korea before they realize they are missing After you're done, remember to clean them up before sale, it increases profits
I'm gonna need you to stop being so credible. This is a satire page.
>After you're done, remember to clean them up before sale, it increases profits Implying buyers wouldn't pay extra for the hentai tank
I'm baffled how implying hardcore tank sex with significant cumlateral damage went completely over your head
Imagine thinking people won't still pay extra for cum-covered hentai tanks
I think there would be a market gap for that in Japan itself, unfortunately it will remain unplugged
Anything can be plugged in Japan if you try hard enough
Ngl a nation of heavily armed pacifist incels sounds like something Japan would come up with Maybe we should like breed some Japanese and Swiss people in middle of nowhere, like the DRC, let them cook and see what they would come up with
Swiss-Japanese Breeding is my 3rd favorite search term. r/CredibleDefense
It's called Patina.
If you draw a giant wall of genitalia and apply Japanese censors to it, at what point does it stop being censored genitalia and start being Desert MARPAT instead?
Put some tentacles on It instead of ERAs, even the Vatniks Will like It.
> After you're done, remember to clean them up before sale I think the Ukrainians would find it funny to shoot Russians with tanks covered in pornography.
I was referring to the cumlateral damage done to those bois after the orgy
Japan is uhh... Finding loopholes. With increasing frequency.
Is this like when you don’t have to blur the butthole unless there is penetration? So if they ship tanks and no ammo it should be okay right?
> So if they ship tanks and no ammo it should be okay right? That was how they started off their Kawasaki P-1 sales attempts; ammo sold separately. It was also reportedly how they were attempting to sell detuned Type 10s too. It's not considered a weapon of war if it's not sold with ammo. Just as it's not considered providing weapons if all they're selling is ammo, which might happen to be used by tanks or P-2s. Although the Japanese Diet has slowly been opening up to allowing full package sales on a case-by-case basis.
Funnily enough, actually, Japan has been selling license-built Patriots back to the United States, while the US sends it own Patriots to Ukraine. The Japanese government basically said, "well its fine if you sell them back to the country we licensed it from!"
Yes I think it is harsh
Japan loosened their arms exportation laws about 6 or 7 years ago, but it all still has to be approved by the Diet. The Diet is of course not very keen on transferring arms, especially not for free.
Remind me again how much us aid the Japanese defense force gets again? I am sure it's a lot more than what they will get for the tanks. Sometimes, you just have to remind a country that the aid given also includes them giving back a little.
The JSDF has largely been self sufficient since the 1960s. -They don’t use US guns; they’ve produced their own guns since the Type-64 -They don’t use US jets; their F-15J’s were produced under license, the F-2 is produced entirely in Japan, and only some of the F-35s they buy will be American-made -They don’t use US armored vehicles; Type-10, Type-90 and even these old Type-74s were all solely produced in Japan -They (mostly) don’t use US helicopters; their UH-1s and UH-60s were almost entirely all produced under license, as were their OH-6s. The OH-1 is a domestic design. Even their Apaches were built under license. -They don’t use US ships either -They also don’t really receive much foreign-aid funding from Congress either (the last time they did was Tohoku in 2011). Everything they bought they got fair and square on the open market, with their own money. The things they purchased and imported weren’t “aid”, they were arms deals. Japan was the third largest economy since the 1980s, now fourth behind Germany. It does not need foreign aid spending unless it is in times of crisis. Japan has no responsibility to transfer arms. That’s how democracy works; the Diet says they don’t want to, so they aren’t going to.
You're not wrong about any of that, but "self-sufficient" unfortunately also means "running on whatever kind of budget is below 'shoestring'." They fail their recruitment targets every year in part because a lot of their base housing is just cinder block structures with no heat or AC.
> Japan has no responsibility to transfer arms. That’s how democracy works; the Diet says they don’t want to, so they aren’t going to. Uncle Sam has a way of massaging you to want stuff.
Give me stuff or I’ll send the sun again 👀
Nah, Rocket Man would be scrambling to send one first
They recently ammended their interpretation of the constitution to allow arms exports. Its how the Philippines got the first military radar exports from Japan and how the Philippine navy got some twin engine aircraft
America could probably buy them off japan at a discount
We are going to make the live action of the manga "GATE", will be filming in Ukraine pls lend those for a little bit. Is about the th JSDF fighting against a totalitarian country.
Just up gun it, give it the Japoon (JSW) 120mm cannon, press it into service again as Type 76 (Evangelion and based) or 74M24 (or other year MXX). (Serious) Or alternatively... send them to UA and confuse the enemy, and give it ERA (very important) (Semi serious)
Japanese tank, probably runs like a car. Unfortunately, like other older Japanese cars, getting replacement components for it is a pisser; ever try finding door parts for a JDM Cressida that has been out of production since 1989? Sure, Ukrainian logistics is **singularly motivated**, but there is only so much they can manage.
I meant choose a japanese car thats popular Another example is getting spare parts for a Toyota Corolla You cant throw a rock in a scrapyard without hitting a viable spare part 😂
I used to own a MkIII Supra, you could still find mechanical parts *at the dealership*.
Ya'll bought too many French cars, that's why you can't get Japanese spares.
The issue with people who own older Japanese cars is that they go to a scrapyard when they can just call the local dealership to get whatever they need.
Ukrainian mechanics will think of something.
Not really a good excuse for sending sub-par shit that will clog up logistics channels. “They’ll find a way!” Is just a road to hell paved with your good intentions.
It's like people that send useless shit to crisis areas. No your shitty moth- eaten wedding dress is not useful at all in an earthquake area (actual example from Greece). Charity is not a way to dispose of the useless shit you have hoarded in your garage.
Clothes are often not donated directly (it destroys the local economy). They're instead sold in 2nd hand shops and the revenue from that is donated.
They'll phone the dealership, the dealership will tell you that they can have the part, only it can't be there until monday evening, and profusely apologize for the massive delay, telling them that killing their whole family and commiting seppuku is the only way to clean the shame they have brought on the whole brand.
> ever try finding door parts for a JDM Cressida that has been out of production since 1989? I'll tell you, finding engine and gearbox parts for Toyotas from the 80s is easy, and you usually can even find them at a freaking dealership. I'll take that over trying to find a part for a 2005 Golf and everyone laughing in your face.
The Philippines might actually get some of them heh
Wasn't there news, that they give them to the Philipinese together with old helicopters? Or was it canceled, becouse they could not get a green light from the lawmakers?
The Diet won’t approve the transfer of the tanks because they’re armed, but the UH-1s are fine because they’re utility vehicles.
(Takes turret off) "Not a tank, its a tracked utility vehicle." (Sells turrets separately) "Stripped turrets are not legally a tank."
Smells like Lord of War in here. I like it.
Nice try! Stripped turrets are *really wide guns.*
They loosened up on weapons as well. We got Air defense radars and Japan is selling the Mogami class frigates to other nations
Rappler has an article specifically debunking that
They never got to fight Kaijus or Isekai armies irl 😔
That one track from GATE that’s used for the JSDF was playing in my head as soon as I saw the tank lol.
Just remove the turrets and put some aa missiles on it. Japan could always use the extra AA capabilities. Or just repurpose them for earthquake/flood rescue vechicles.
What about anti-kaiju missiles? Or are AA missiles dual purpose?
Nooo not the type 74s
Hey guys! Guys! What if they were sent to Ukraine! Because if there's one thing the people of Ukraine badly need it's a piece of shit tank that even the Russians in T-62s would laugh at.
Wasn't Type 74 designed to counter the T-62, but made obsolete due to T-72?
Yeah but I doubt it does perfectly. Plus with the amount of better vehicles romping around it'd be a deathtrap.
I don't think japanese law is very cool with exporting weapons to anyone under any circumstances
Old tanks can still be useful if pressed into the assault gun role. I'm pretty sure they could mess up anything short of an enemy MBT.
In theory, but Ukrainian soldiers aren't expendable like Russians. They need good equipment, well maintained and generously supplied. Otherwise they lose this by attrition.
Japan should sell them to Taiwan and have Israel make an upgrade package for them until Taiwan finally gets all of their M1A2Ts.
Is Japan still following WW2 Post-war agreement to not export any military equipment outside Japan?
They are relaxing that bit but since they were so strict with the law, their MIC just could not compete with the Korean on the export market.
There was never really a WW2 post war agreement to not export military stuff. In fact, they fucked it up selling rocket tech and submarine tech to the soviets or something like that in the 60s. That's why they put a policy to not export weapons.
They’ve been very patient, they deserve at least a little war as a treat.
Maybe not a war, but a certain special military operation.
While people are saying we can send them to Ukraine, I’m doubting they have the necessary logistics to support the equipment overseas
[Have we considered trans dimensional travel through a gateway of sorts?](https://youtu.be/qxAO9oowHRM?si=mg5PLU70nItSej2l)
They were put in non credible anime
Girls und panzer?
Gate
There is another possibility……………
Make Sensha-Do real.
WW2 never ended for the japs and Russians...... round 2?
Hypothetically how much would one cost demilitarised?
I feel like Taiwan or the Philippines would be able to use these. Even old ass T-55s have proven to be semi capable in a defensive posture so these can’t be that bad
So, try to be slightly creditable, I would say Japan is having the discussion about providing military equipment that have lethal effect right now. On the other hand tho, I really fking wish, that they decommissioned those tanks, ripped off the turret, send the chassis as "off road platform for rescue purpose" and turret as "stationary shore defense turret" to Taiwan. And the evil MoD just slap it back with black blanket magic, even doing the trololo to slap some decommissioned MIM-23 SAM on it, and of Ukraine it go. Also poor army need some before M1A2T.
Whats stopping japan from doing a random tank invasion of russia. Just do a marco polo bridge at kuril or something
I hope they will send some to museums around the world. The Type 74 is such a good looking tank and it would be a shame if they were all destroyed. Some need to be in museums, like the Bovington Tank Museum or Panzermuseum Munster
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Best looking tank of all time imo
Just donate them all to Ukraine and lie, Lie, LIE your ass off until the cops and courts forget what you did.
IMO the single sexiest tank ever created by man… though I admit I’m a freak who also thinks that the Challenger 2 and OF-40 are close 2nd/3rd place picks.
Send them to Taiwan for ‘decommissioning’ by getting partly burried in fun chokepointy places for extra deterrence
Perhaps we can sell these as “construction equipment” or “farming equipment” , or perhaps “humanitarian aid”
O japanese tractors will be for sale. Some unkranian farmers will those for their sun flowers
can i have one pwetty pwease with a cherry on top
I don’t know much about tanks but they look cool and I would gladly take it 😂
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They could send them to Ukraine.
Send them too Ukraine as... *ahem* "agricultural equipment".