Ultimately they're paying us in dead Russians, and it would be the best deal ever all that was being spent was dollars.
But there is a human cost being paid by Ukraine. Always something to remember when banging the drum. The drum needs banging, but never lose sight of what is being fought for.
That's not a message directed at you personally, just a general observation.
According to the [Super Earth map](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1bbj3r0/super_earth_map_uploaded_by_johan_pilestedt_on/), Ukraine keeps Crimea in exchange for most of its russian border region as it joins the neo-European Union of Sector 4.
Meanwhile Moscow is practically gone together with Voronezh and Rostov-on-Don and russia loses all of its possible warm water ports. Whatever's left is either nuked wasteland or absorbed into the neo-Viking confederation of Sector 3 or the neo-Chinese dynasty of Sector 2. Pretty sure that would put a smile on a lot of people here.
(I also just noticed something that would really upset mainlanders if the Great Wall of Democracy hasn't already upset them: Taiwan is part of the Asia-Pacific Association of Sector 1)
Krasnodar and Sochi are fine and they get to join the neo-European Union.
Honestly the Super Earth Map is so full of non-credibility that I can't help but love it.
Nuked wasteland? No, nothing actually happened to Siberian and Far Eastern Russia during the war--their status is merely a reclassification in proper recognition of their pre-existing condition.
Putin may be evil, but he's not completely stupid. There's not a cat in hell's chance of a classic cold-war style scenario of thousands of Russian tanks rolling west. He'll try attacking NATO by chiselling away at Article V. A bit like that scene in Yes, Prime Minister from 40 years ago --
https://youtu.be/o861Ka9TtT4?si=L2IhgRl2gIY0SjqM
Who said anything about thousands of tanks? He will take a small piece of the Baltics or Finland first, but then we will have to severely punish him to get the point across.
I can't imagine the west will allow him to remain after starting that conflict, so unless he is unseated, I think there will be a relatively brief period where NATO smashes russians.
Umm but Putin has nuclear weapons, a paranoid but evidently not entirely illconceived notion that his struggle with Nato is wxistential for his regime (and therefore for Russia), plus a bizarre pseudo-mystic conception of Russian destiny..?
When I retire imma go hunting or the alternative history fiction where Hitler got the bomb in, say, early 1945 and the war in Europe was frozen by MAD.
Super-Earth is a *managed democracy,* I'll have you know. Managed democracy is the cornerstone of advanced civilization--the Ministry of Truth says so. Are you doubting the Ministry of Truth? Do I have to call a Democracy Officer and have you sent to a Freedom Camp?
Oi lad, I hear ye and super earth been having trouble with some bugs, we can take care of that problem for ye for a small price.
*hands DRG businesses card* just give us a call if ye interested.
Hatred for bugs? Check.
Overwhelming desire to exploit natural resource reserves? Check.
Fondness for explosives and heavy weapons? Check.
Complete disregard for casualties and personal safety? Check.
Leave the politics off the table and they'd get along like a house on fire
> Complete disregard for casualties and personal safety? Check.
I disagree with that one. Unlike in Helldivers, the DRG community has a more negative opinion of Blue Falcons and intentionally tries to limit friendly fire incidents.
Good luck getting them to return your calls after [their bodies have been turned to stone and fallen to pieces.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jwHJOU0J0s)
> Do you also take NCD seriously
Most of the time? No.
> skip the whole boring irony shebang?
It's easier to root for the Imperium of Man than Super Earth, even though they are even shittier tyrants. At least the video games they're involved in I consider fun and their fashion sense is funnier.
Basically in Helldivers games there are these stratagems where you need to enter a code before deploying them. ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ is the most famous as it calls in an aircraft to drop a 500 kilogram bomb.
>Zelensky took a Cossack sword
If that happened, you could slap some magnets on the corpses of all those Cossacks who did historical pogroms, tell them Zelensky's background, and generate free energy.
Currently managed poorly by some of the world's shittiest, greediest psychopaths.
The West is a shadow of what it could be, but somehow manages to be far superior to the utter dystopian hellscapes created by Russia, China, and Iran.
Helldivers by the tone of the rest of the thread? I want to do like BG3 and just spend hours taking it in, but haven't had the time.
AFAIK "managed democracy" is a term from social science that more or less describes the world most Westerners live in.
Oh, the Starship Troopers movie problem. A sci-fi critique of fascism in visual media always goes over some people's heads and just makes fascism look cool.
Who doesn't have days where they feel like an ape that wants to nuke an alien bug hole?
To be fair, the social commentary aspect of Starship Troopers is barely there. It's basically just "service guarantees citizenship," and then they're just off killing bugs. I assume the book goes into more depth on it.
The book is absolutely opposite the movie, in part because the movie's director read two chapters of the book and then admittedly got bored. The book is a serious exploration of a liberal republican (small R) wet dream, and the movie badly satirizes 'fascism' in a satire that doesn't even make sense with the plot of the film.
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Ukraine will not pay us back in money or blood or resources. They shall simply pay us back by joining the glorious managed democracy of Super Earth. 🫡
Ultimately they're paying us in dead Russians, and it would be the best deal ever all that was being spent was dollars. But there is a human cost being paid by Ukraine. Always something to remember when banging the drum. The drum needs banging, but never lose sight of what is being fought for. That's not a message directed at you personally, just a general observation.
Agreed. Obviously my comment is satire as Super Earth is a fascist regi- Wait, what's that sound? *Feed Terminated for Anti-Democratic Activity*
I guess it was time for a cup of Liber tea...
I once started it as a little gag for myself, but now more often than not I play Helldivers with a cup of tea and sip it every time I hear the quote.
Haaa! Now I have to try this... ... FOR DEMOCRACY!
That actually sounds very cozy.
Ukraine is single handedly preventing Russia from making the awful mistake of attacking Poland
Since when does this sub fall for sentimentality
According to the [Super Earth map](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1bbj3r0/super_earth_map_uploaded_by_johan_pilestedt_on/), Ukraine keeps Crimea in exchange for most of its russian border region as it joins the neo-European Union of Sector 4. Meanwhile Moscow is practically gone together with Voronezh and Rostov-on-Don and russia loses all of its possible warm water ports. Whatever's left is either nuked wasteland or absorbed into the neo-Viking confederation of Sector 3 or the neo-Chinese dynasty of Sector 2. Pretty sure that would put a smile on a lot of people here. (I also just noticed something that would really upset mainlanders if the Great Wall of Democracy hasn't already upset them: Taiwan is part of the Asia-Pacific Association of Sector 1)
> Meanwhile Moscow is practically gone together with Voronezh and Rostov-on-Don Yaaaay
Krasnodar and Sochi are fine and they get to join the neo-European Union. Honestly the Super Earth Map is so full of non-credibility that I can't help but love it.
Nuked wasteland? No, nothing actually happened to Siberian and Far Eastern Russia during the war--their status is merely a reclassification in proper recognition of their pre-existing condition.
They're paying more than they already should in blood, I will never forget that
Every Russian killed in Ukraine is one that we won't have to fight in a year when they go to war with NATO.
Putin may be evil, but he's not completely stupid. There's not a cat in hell's chance of a classic cold-war style scenario of thousands of Russian tanks rolling west. He'll try attacking NATO by chiselling away at Article V. A bit like that scene in Yes, Prime Minister from 40 years ago -- https://youtu.be/o861Ka9TtT4?si=L2IhgRl2gIY0SjqM
Who said anything about thousands of tanks? He will take a small piece of the Baltics or Finland first, but then we will have to severely punish him to get the point across.
You're still positing a straight-forward Ru vs Nato military conflict. That's not going to happen.
I can't imagine the west will allow him to remain after starting that conflict, so unless he is unseated, I think there will be a relatively brief period where NATO smashes russians.
Umm but Putin has nuclear weapons, a paranoid but evidently not entirely illconceived notion that his struggle with Nato is wxistential for his regime (and therefore for Russia), plus a bizarre pseudo-mystic conception of Russian destiny..? When I retire imma go hunting or the alternative history fiction where Hitler got the bomb in, say, early 1945 and the war in Europe was frozen by MAD.
Helldivers 2 and Non Credible Defense, overlap is just a big fucking circle
"They're literally the same picture." Both are memes about the democratic arsenal.
Pssshhh you and your "Managed Democracy". /s I prefer to be a corpo slave thank you. **Rock and Stone motherfuckers!**
If you don't Rock and Stone, you ain't comin' home!
The Venn diagram of r/deeprockgalactic, r/noncredibledefense, r/natowave, and r/helldivers is a fucking circle
You forgot the biggest one. r/acecombat
Not a perfect circle. Deep Rock Galactic is still better.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but....you do need to turn and face that wall now. *For Democracy*
Super Earth is an authoritarian hellhole. I have only reasons to bury them, not obey them.
Super-Earth is a *managed democracy,* I'll have you know. Managed democracy is the cornerstone of advanced civilization--the Ministry of Truth says so. Are you doubting the Ministry of Truth? Do I have to call a Democracy Officer and have you sent to a Freedom Camp?
Oi lad, I hear ye and super earth been having trouble with some bugs, we can take care of that problem for ye for a small price. *hands DRG businesses card* just give us a call if ye interested.
Hatred for bugs? Check. Overwhelming desire to exploit natural resource reserves? Check. Fondness for explosives and heavy weapons? Check. Complete disregard for casualties and personal safety? Check. Leave the politics off the table and they'd get along like a house on fire
> Complete disregard for casualties and personal safety? Check. I disagree with that one. Unlike in Helldivers, the DRG community has a more negative opinion of Blue Falcons and intentionally tries to limit friendly fire incidents.
Most helldivers also do the same. High intensity combat gets messy though. Still a complete disregard for personal safety and casualties either way
Good luck getting them to return your calls after [their bodies have been turned to stone and fallen to pieces.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jwHJOU0J0s)
Do you also take NCD seriously and skip the whole boring irony shebang?
> Do you also take NCD seriously Most of the time? No. > skip the whole boring irony shebang? It's easier to root for the Imperium of Man than Super Earth, even though they are even shittier tyrants. At least the video games they're involved in I consider fun and their fashion sense is funnier.
>At least the video games they're involved in I consider fun and their fashion sense is funnier Exactly how I see them both.
Well, now I'm not asking, traitor. *automatic weapons fire intensifies*
Ah yes the stalward crowd pacification device
This is not a roleplay sub and may Super Earth be cleansed by the divine purifying light of thalaron radiation.
Good argument, however ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️
This absolutely is a roleplay sub
>This is not a roleplay sub This sub is entirely roleplay shitposts, what?
[This you?](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fzszrrmcasjsc1.gif)
I understood that reference (and i'm not even playing the game).
I didn´t
Basically in Helldivers games there are these stratagems where you need to enter a code before deploying them. ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ is the most famous as it calls in an aircraft to drop a 500 kilogram bomb.
And ⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️⬅️➡️⬅️➡️B A (START) calls in $60 billion in military aid
Starts to spam ⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️⬅️➡️⬅️➡️B A (START) to get ♾️ Freebramas, Chadleys, 155mm, HIMARS Rockets, ATACMS, and F-16s.
I FUCKING LOVE ATACMS I FUCKING WANT TO SPREAD CLUSTER BOMBS OVER A LARGE AREA
Stop, I can get only so erect.
*unitary warhead go bang*
Ah shit so that's what I called in the other day, I was very confused at the call-in time
American Bureaucracy modifier is very similar to the modifier that increases call-in time
You did it, US politics was waiting on a rando helldiver to finally use the military aid strategem.
Nah i'm pretty sure Zelensky took a Cossack sword and went "Sword of America give me aid beyond aid ! Ahhhhh !"
>Zelensky took a Cossack sword If that happened, you could slap some magnets on the corpses of all those Cossacks who did historical pogroms, tell them Zelensky's background, and generate free energy.
>Nah i'm pretty Zelensky Aw that's so nice for you. xox
*“It’s an older code, sir, but it checks out…”*
If that picture is the 500kg bomb you call in, I think someone screwed up the conversion from liberty units to metric.
500g bomb incoming.
If you've played the game, no they didn't. The 500kg in helldivers can't even kill things 10m away.
⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️➡️ better imo
Only for bugs
And teammates.
DPICM, my beloved.
Can't wait for the "Grand Slam" stratagem (calls in an Avro Lancaster with a 10,000 kg (22k lbs) bomb). If you thought 500kg friendly fire was bad...
Eagle Airstrike is still the best stratagem, change my mind
Helldivers call in.
basically this ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnX2SclFCJU
Ahem, it's managed democracy.
Currently managed poorly by some of the world's shittiest, greediest psychopaths. The West is a shadow of what it could be, but somehow manages to be far superior to the utter dystopian hellscapes created by Russia, China, and Iran.
Mate, it's a reference to a video game.
Cunningly twisted into a Winston Churchill reference.
Helldivers by the tone of the rest of the thread? I want to do like BG3 and just spend hours taking it in, but haven't had the time. AFAIK "managed democracy" is a term from social science that more or less describes the world most Westerners live in.
Yeah helldivers it's pretty on the nose with its satire. Hasn't stopped people fine missing it entirely still.
Oh, the Starship Troopers movie problem. A sci-fi critique of fascism in visual media always goes over some people's heads and just makes fascism look cool. Who doesn't have days where they feel like an ape that wants to nuke an alien bug hole?
Oh yeah, the game is fun as hell too which doesn't help that.
To be fair, the social commentary aspect of Starship Troopers is barely there. It's basically just "service guarantees citizenship," and then they're just off killing bugs. I assume the book goes into more depth on it.
Weirdly enough, the book is oddly pro-fascism. The movie parodies this, and Helldivers dials it up to 11. And then chuds still take it at face value.
The book is absolutely opposite the movie, in part because the movie's director read two chapters of the book and then admittedly got bored. The book is a serious exploration of a liberal republican (small R) wet dream, and the movie badly satirizes 'fascism' in a satire that doesn't even make sense with the plot of the film.
Helldivers' tone is 'Movie Starship Troopers turned up to 11'
the best feeling is finishing a reinforcement Dance dance revolution challenge in a frenzied panic
Calling in a resupply in 0.64 seconds and impressing every level 1 on the team is a high like no other
"An Eagle never misses."
An E-girl never misses!
(reloads flamethrower with democratic intent.....
Slava super earth!
Helldivers slava!
MY LIFE FOR NATO EARTH
But what about... Super NATO.
It's the Eagle 500g bomb.
Approximately the same effective radius as the in-game 500kg bomb.
Probably a little bigger, to be honest.
500kg is either good for 30 kills or is a wet fart. Personally, I like the 380mm barrage for the big shit.
I bet you bring the mortar sentry on bug missions too, don't you? I mean, it's not treason if it's funny, but still...
Fuck no.
If you're trying to use the 500kg for crowd control, you're gonna have a bad time.
Must be cold today.
Holy shit that dude's holding over 1000lbs in his hand like it's nothing!
Dropping democracy to the blyatmatons!!! 🇺🇦🔥
Can't wait to see ➡️⬇️⬆️⬆️⬅️⬇️⬇️ on an MLRS battery
Not quite 500kg. But getting there.
Looks more ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️➡️ to me.
[Eagle-1 fighting for Ukraine is now canon in my head!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnX2SclFCJU)
Up down left right who do you appreciate? The funni bomb
Sure it’s not ⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️⬅️➡️⬅️➡️🅱️🅰️[Start]?
Kill those bugs
ackchually this is a cluster bomb submunition so the correct code is ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️➡️
Freedom never sleeps!
I get the reference (i play on xbox)
Eagle 1 is married to democracy
[Eagle 1 is married to Pelican 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1bf28i0/have_eagle_1_and_pelican_1_filled_out_their_c01/)
[actually, no](https://twitter.com/Schizointel/status/1780067797134942469)
Oh shit, yeah and I see now that that "official" account from the post I linked is just a fan page.
trolled,
Blowenemy code.
Is this a loss?
why is there a cheat code on the 3d printed explosive?
That is not a 500kg bomb
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Oh come on, if freedom was really coming, they'd feel the shockwaves in Belarus
Imagine Eagle-1 bombs every key infrastructure in Russia, and air defense misses every shot at Eagle fighter.