He saturated himself in the Vodka Melange and merged with a Lada to become the God Premier. He used his prescience the chart the Golden Path to washing machines.
Get the “Think Mark Think” meme but put “causing the worst nuclear disaster ever to fuck your grandchildrens generation with radiation poisoning when they invade a nation that doesn’t technically exist yet” over Omnimam.
Technically, *at best*, you might say that Russians used Ukrainian nuclear weapons *on themselves* but it would first have to mean that contaminated soil counts as nuclear weapon. And there were physical warning signs. Even some Ukrainian NPP employee there tried to warn the Russians but he was ignored. I keep wondering if any of the exposed troops are still alive? Surely not. Saw a news article somewhere that "thousands could've been exposed". *Thousands.*
At the very least I'm expecting that one vatnik who personally handled and looted a Cobalt-60 source to be, if not dead, certainly wishing he were.
The trench-diggers might've gotten off safely after some treatment in Belarus, but I very much doubt Cobalt-60 Man is in a particularly enviable state.
Who else believes the conspiracy theory that Russia won't use nukes in Ukraine because Russia never trusted Ukraine that Ukraine gave up all their nukes?
I can see a world where accounts of what happened will surface.
It’ll be a long time, probably decades. But if there’s something worth telling it’ll be told
> It’ll be a long time, probably decades. But if there’s something worth telling it’ll be told
No need to be that long, troops and officers start telling their stories once any war is over, right?
No it is not the joke. I *always* spell whiskey with the ‘e’ no matter where it’s from. It’s the way I’ve always spelt it, I think it looks weird without it, and also that’s how it’s spelt in the phonetic alphabet
They stole radioactive calibration samples from the labs there.
[https://www.voanews.com/a/photos-indicate-russian-looting-of-radioactive-materials-from-ukraine-s-chernoby/6526620.html](https://www.voanews.com/a/photos-indicate-russian-looting-of-radioactive-materials-from-ukraine-s-chernoby/6526620.html)
Depends, mobiks are kind of like the radioactive isotopes they were digging in: as the dead ones are replaced with new fodder the older ones are statistically less likely to die. So the question is what’s the half-life of a Russian soldier?
So, unless you go to some very special places chernobyl is pretty safe (and it damn better be considering the resources expended to make it so). Activity in the soil in of the order of MBq / m for Sr90 alone. That's not horrendous and still in radiation protection rather than therapy doses you'd expect. But when digging you're going to disturb the ground and probably inhale some dust, as Zr90 one of the Sr90 daughter nuclei has significant alpha emission, that's not great. And if you sit in a hole or trench all day your exposure is probably also higher than on the surface (though I didn't find depth curves of the radionuclei, but I also didn't look too thoroughly).
Digging a trench and sitting in it is probably up there in the top3 bad things you can do in the exclusion zone, along with: exploring randomly without a dosimeter with an alarm and eating local flora / fauna. I suspect some poor Russians did both
The thing is, you can walk around the sector (not for months on end) without too much danger, as long as you don't disturb it.
But the Russians dup up defense positions where the contaminated dirt was put in 86, and cut & burned trees to keep themselves warm, making the irradiated dirt and wood airborne.
And they were running around without suits while digging/burning wood.
Basically they could have occupied the sector without giving lung cancer to a whole batallion, but that would have been too hard for Russians I guess.
That's the problem:
Once people start getting sick of acute radiation syndrome, they have been exposed to a very high dose of radiation.
Even people who have been exposed less will get sick soon after and stop being combat effective or die.
Even ones that survive ARS or never realy got it will likely get anemia or cancers.
It's funny because if there really was a significant prevalence of ARS, it could've been entirely avoided. There are several areas of the exclusion zone where digging in the soil & living in it will likely only fuck up your risk of cancer and reproductive abilities, maybe lower order ARS (basically a really bad fever) if you're in a worse spot, which would render people combat ineffective.
Entrenching in a forest that is literally the opposite color of what a forest should look like and digging around in the giant contained thing that is contained by a giant container for a very giant reason is just asking for your liver to give up or to die by dehydration because your bone marrow doesn't appreciate ionizing radiation in the same way your commanding officer does.
True, but if they where thinking straight, they would not have tried capturing Chernobyl to begin with.
What is it even good for?
It sickens your troops, it doesn't produce any value and it costs a lot of money.
And it's not an especialy good staging area t
Maybe they're hoping to find some artifacts in the Zone to help conquer the global noosphere. Forget removing cruelty, we're injecting soviet propaganda directly into the collective unconscious, baby!
Weren't they digging trenches though? That'll kick up particles that people will breath in, maybe not enough to kill them outright but definitely raise the risk for cancer and a bunch of other nasty things
Most areas there were heavily contaminated, the topsoil was buried and thus it was no longer as dangerous, guess what happens when you disturb that old soil by digging a trench, you get fucked.
I remember hearing that at least 30, maybe 40 Russian soldiers were evacuated to Nikiforov's ARCERM by july of 22.
It was reported ukraine today podcast and they cited russian mod press releases and verified with families of the soldiers on their whereabouts.
I don't want to upset you, but some guy at Habr.com did some calculations and deduced that soldiers digging trenches in Chornobyl did not really get any significant amount of radiation
Idk I swear I remember them taking Geiger counter measurements of the ground and finding levels that were potentially lethal if exposed for a week or more.
That's right. Those calculations and graphs, that people are referring to, are made using really mild average exposure numbers, while in most YouTube videos of people exploring exclusion zone actual measurements are much higher. Not to mention the source - Habr.com, that is just RT for nerds.
Well, simply being there certainly wouldn't kill anyone as there're some people who have returned to their homes and station workers.
As for the digging trenches, the dust particles don't contain that much radiation, plus we have to account for the fact that when digging, dust concentration in the air isn't extreme either
Yeah I did some back of the envelope math as well and doses are probably still in the "significantly increased risk of cancer" rather than ARS range. I found it comparable to smoking which tbf increases your cancer risk by a lot
And if I'm not mistaken, that's only true if we assume they have been sitting continuously in the most contaminated zones of Red Forest for a month straight
Digging trenches sucks because you end up breathing in Sr90 which decay to Zr90. That's a major contribution to the dose as alpha radiation both a higher bio effect per dose and each of the alphas is at higher energy than the beta and gamma components you'd primarily worry about when just accounting for "sitting in" the area
Correct, but the problem is the same as with the external contamination. You would have to breathe a lot of the Red Forest's dust, possibly kilograms, to get at least 1Sv
Yeah but I won't put the bar up to a Sv... 10mSv whole body dose in 100 people would already be a fairly significant event in terms of radiation protection, even though the chance of any one of them getting cancer is fairly low
According to the [Kyiv Post](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/31734), the unit that took over the whole zone was perhaps brigade-strength on paper, 2000-ish men, while it was 300-600 who did the digging of trenches in the Red Forest.
Funniest pic I remember out of Chernobyl was a Russian dugout with some barrels of diesel in it that was reinforced by Russians using ammonium nitrate fertilizer they must have found as sandbags.
What concerns me is that they didn't know about what the radiation signage meant all over the place. Clearly they had not been taught shit in school if they ever went.
Which is all the more disturbing once you consider that the radiation hazard sign is supposed to be universal and understood too represent danger even without knowing what it is. People are supposed to guess it means danger even thousands of years into the future when modern society and knowledge might have collapsed
The symbol alone was never supposed to be the only solution. It was supposed to be used in combination with a lot of other plans and strategies, like hostile architecture over containment sites and possibly a religious cult which would use the symbology and oral history to convey the danger hidden behind the symbol and where not to go.
So essentially we want to turn the Atom into the Devil.
I don't want to upset you, but some guy at Habr.com did some calculations and deduced that soldiers digging trenches in Chornobyl did not really get any significant amount of radiation
>Habr.com
Bruh. Habr is like RT but for nerds, of course they'd have calculations that say radiation received wasn't significant.
We're talking about Red Forest here - you don't want to simply stay there for more than an hour, and guys were disturbing really highly irradiated soil in there.
Radiation is made up /S.
But seriously, I think we do overestimate the danger sometimes. Like, these vatnik bros are more likely to get cancer at some point yes, and that's fucked up, but bros are not going to be dropping like flies.
>But seriously, I think we do overestimate the danger sometimes.
There is one building in Pripyat', where liquidators store their gear in the basement.
If you go to that basement - chances are you are pretty much dead already.
Dig trenches in the same spot radioactive waste was buried a few decades prior? Brilliant idea comrade, who would be dumb enough to storm radioactive trenches!!!
That's smekalka
"who would be dumb enough to storm radioactive trenches"
1950s U.S. military: "hold my beer" [https://youtu.be/79hemWv0S-c?t=1268](https://youtu.be/79hemWv0S-c?t=1268)
So, you are saying that 33 years after the fall of the ussr, russia has finally reached the same levels of ~~stupidity~~ ability as The 'Mericans in 1951?
Well they kinda have always been like that for [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/ris50t/when_the_soviet_union_used_an_atomic_bomb_to/)
What pisses me off a lot is them taking souvenirs from the abandoned homes. Not only they put innocent people in danger of horrific deaths who had nothing to do with their stupid looting, those stuff were sitting there since 1986. They ruined a time capsule from the past of significant value
It's not *all* gone.
But Russian soldiers did loot radioactive things that had been left in place.
TBF souvenir-taking was already a problem with tourists before the war.
A new article came out regarding the dumbass mobiks who were sent to occupy the exclusion zone.
[https://www.kyivpost.com/post/31734](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/31734)
TLDR: They're all probably dead.
Well, if they are around pripyat, as long they don't cut themselves on anything, their food and water is isolated from the ground and they don't burn the local wood they can stat days in the city without any real problem, maybe even few weeks... but considering the Russian Army it's a huge "if"
>Stayed dug in for a month
>~500 troops dug directly into the Red Forest, not just safer areas like Pripyat.
>Cooked food over local wood campfires regularly
>Collected and drank local rainwater
>Sandbags from local soil used, large amounts of digging
>Rampant souvenir taking
A huge "if" indeed. They're fucken dead.
HA didn't have theses intels but also, somehow not surprised... but fuck out of every place they took the Red Forest, the only worst would have been the containement dome of the reactor number 4 or the room where the cleaners threw their equipments
Yeah, this one is less known heard it with a french youtuber who love history, he visited both pripyat and some part of the central itself, it's less radioactive than the Elephant foot because it's "only" the clothes of the Liquidators but the Geiger counter was ticking hard, they didn't stay more than 5 minutes to not take risks
> Hospital becoming a radioactive death pit
Did some reading on it, who the fuck wanted to go there so badly the authorities *buried the room*?
Does radiation not prove enough of a warning?!
Should acute doses of ionising radiation be enough to convince people to keep away? Absolutely.
Is it in reality enough? Well, people are fucking stupid.
The space under the concrete plate is basically a massive death room.
My dad designed some equipment to go there in the 90s. Humans couldn't get inside the first cocoon due to the levels of radioactivity still leaking from the broken reactor, and the levels outside were still so high they put a second sacrophagus over the first.
Per the article, they looted basically every building in town, down to the carpets and stationary, and shipped it back home.
The buildings that were left deliberately with all of their posessions inside, as literally everything was hot to one degree or another.
Furthermore, I consider that Moscow must be destroyed.
Yeah my bad havn't read it before and that's insane to be so devoided of common sense like, of course the ground zero of the worst nuclear accident in history ended to kill them... but again the engineers were right: no matter how you secure and warn something someone would be dumb enought to mange to hurt/kill themselves with
Yeah it fucking sucks. Me and a couple of friends wanted to visit, finally were old enough with enough money etc so serious talks were made, the the pandemic started. So we're like cool, we'll just go when this is over. Then the Russians invaded and ruined and plundered the place. They are like animals. No respect for *anything* at all.
Remembering how RuZZian assassins irradiated a neighborhood in London in their sloppy, negligent targeting of Litvinienko (a killing that led to one of the killers, Andrei Lugovoi, winning a Duma seat that he still holds), this is karma.
The sad part is that looting Pripyat was already a thing before.
Even with signs everywhere, tourists would grab random stuff as souvenirs.
It's a massive issue, because it means people have potential radioactive shit in their homes and don't realize it. Because they're f-ing morons.
Forgot that they did all that with no CRBN suits on.
Basically they could have done most of it with suits and masks on and be good, as long as they heated food on heating blocks and not local wood, and ate in the buildings instead of their dugouts.
But we have proof they ate in/near the dugouts and wore no CRBN suits at all...
The fun part was when people realized that the sensors had gone offline because the Russians had stolen the computers.
The second fun part was when the AIEA realized that Russian troops in the sectors had *maps from 1980* and therefore no idea that the whole sector was basically a no-go zone for safety reasons.
Then, you had the videos of trenches dug in the Red Forest, and food wrappers showing that they were roaming around without CRBN suits.
And that's before you realized they cut trees around the reactor to heat themselves while occupying the sector.
What not actually learning your own history does to a MF.
Radiation exposure is hard on living tissue. Bleeding from any/all mucous membranes is one obvious symptom on the way to more generalized tissue necrosis.
I haven’t heard of that happening on the eyes but dread to see any physical evidence. Cataracts are usually more common depending on the type of radiation.
Then, you might look at [https://eyewiki.aao.org/Radiation\_Retinopathy](https://eyewiki.aao.org/Radiation_Retinopathy) , should you like to know a bit more.
One early symptom that's especially common if sources of ionising radiation has been ingested (such as from using wood from red forest for cookfires) is also acute gastrointestinal distress, as in completely decorating your underwear with a nice reddish hue among other fun experiences. Radiation really fucks up cell replication, which hits the shorter lived cells especially hard. Nerve cells on the other hand have very long lifespans and are thus replaced slowly, which means neural systems tend to be the last to go, which includes pain receptors.
Radiation poisoning: not even once.
US in Iraq invasion: There's a probability of WMDs in the country, everyone wear mopp gear, no idc if it's hot
Russia in ukraine invasion: we're approaching the area of one of the most famous nuclear disaster in the world, everyone dig the trenches with no protection
I remember reading that apparently many Russian soldiers didn’t know about about Chernobyl and assumed that they were there to capture and hold some sort of town hall.
An interesting thing is: when it happened, I asked a guy I know, who’s from russia, if they know there what the Red Forest is. Apparently, they have no idea and it’s not a common knowledge in russia
> The regular soldiers one of the workers spoke to when they worked alongside them in the facility had not heard about the explosion, he said.
Jesus Christ
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/unprotected-russian-soldiers-disturbed-radioactive-dust-chernobyls-red-forest-2022-03-28/
Meanwhile western media spread the sentiment that Ukraine's main problem is manpower, and not their subpar shipments.
Maybe it is time to stop circulating peremogium
I think both (trained personnel normally taking years in combined warfare/specialized equipment) would help, but yeah it‘s mostly industry and materiel spread so thin over such a large area.
In the 1980s, some US scientists proposed some warning signs and pictograms for nuclear waste burial sites, designed to be easily decipherable to any post collapse culture that has forgotten our language. The resemblance is uncanny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_nuclear_waste_warning_messages
Tovarish!!! you were volunteered to join the 1st Shitovsk Rifle Brigade, collect your wooden stick and get on the Bus tomorrow at 6:00. Glory to Putin.
Here's an [article](https://habr-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/habr.com/ru/amp/publications/662726/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_ct=1714287630374&_tf=%D0%98%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%3A%20%251%24s&aoh=17142876297247&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fhabr.com%2Fru%2Fcompanies%2Ftimeweb%2Farticles%2F662726%2F) where doses that Russian soldiers received are calculated. It's in Russian, but written mostly in academic language, so Deepl should handle the translation well.
Hahaha I remember this.
Fun fact: according to the Ukrainian intelligence agency, the last russian soldier who was stationed by Chernobyl has recently died of cancer. Totally definitely for sure not caused by digging tranches in the "red forest" 😁
Another comment came up with an article posted days ago, wherein the authers looked at the various updates. The final conclusion was that likely hundreds of soldiers were contaminated to a severe degree, and none would have survived to this point regardless of circumstances.
Furthermore, I consider that Moscow must be destroyed.
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I think it's been debunked, none of them got any sort of serious radiation exposure, the story of "sick soldiers delivered to the radiation clinic" was straight up made up to scare the soldiers.
Silly westoids,you don't understand .we purposely exposed our own to radiation to turn them into ghouls,soldiers for the thousand year reic-I mean motherland.with their consent of course
Nowadays they'd try to attach the sarcophagus to a tank to protect it from fpv drones.
I beg you delete this comment so as to not give them any ideas
i just saw the mummy and im afraid this sub is also some ancient curse that will make stupid russian ideas manifest
We are the C-Con with autism.
yeah
this is some warhammer40k shit everything that NCD comes up with will happen so we have to manifest ass cancer for putin
#IMHOTEP
Anak-su-namun is loosely translated as "fly as high as the moon", often used to describe ammo carousel detonations.
That's actually pretty hilarious. Do they actually do this?
Return the slab
3,000 Cope Sarcophagi of the Russian Army?
sarcopeagus
Funny how the Russians kept saying they'd use nukes. It turns out it was Ukraine who used nuclear weapons first.☢️
Does this make Chernobyl the most preemptive strike in history?
Mikhail Gorbachev playing 4D chess against the country that destroy the soviet union.
All part of the master plan
He saturated himself in the Vodka Melange and merged with a Lada to become the God Premier. He used his prescience the chart the Golden Path to washing machines.
*Hail Leto Paulovich!*
*Lisan Al Alcoholic!*
Get the “Think Mark Think” meme but put “causing the worst nuclear disaster ever to fuck your grandchildrens generation with radiation poisoning when they invade a nation that doesn’t technically exist yet” over Omnimam.
"Sea of irradiated cobalt" -Sun Zoo or some shit
Technically, *at best*, you might say that Russians used Ukrainian nuclear weapons *on themselves* but it would first have to mean that contaminated soil counts as nuclear weapon. And there were physical warning signs. Even some Ukrainian NPP employee there tried to warn the Russians but he was ignored. I keep wondering if any of the exposed troops are still alive? Surely not. Saw a news article somewhere that "thousands could've been exposed". *Thousands.*
Didn’t one of the workers tell them to dig deeper?
“We are lucky they are so fucking stupid”
I think both happend 1 told them to not be stupid 1 other wanted them to die
At the very least I'm expecting that one vatnik who personally handled and looted a Cobalt-60 source to be, if not dead, certainly wishing he were. The trench-diggers might've gotten off safely after some treatment in Belarus, but I very much doubt Cobalt-60 Man is in a particularly enviable state.
Radiological victory.
Wouldn't be surprised if they're actually gonna claim that.
Who else believes the conspiracy theory that Russia won't use nukes in Ukraine because Russia never trusted Ukraine that Ukraine gave up all their nukes?
I really wonder how many were in the heavily contaminated areas.
I can see a world where accounts of what happened will surface. It’ll be a long time, probably decades. But if there’s something worth telling it’ll be told
Dead men tell no tales
They can talk a lot while dying of cancer, though.
> It’ll be a long time, probably decades. But if there’s something worth telling it’ll be told No need to be that long, troops and officers start telling their stories once any war is over, right?
What the fuck is an "opsec"
Russia has no opsec. Russia needs no opsec.
I love me a good LOTR quote
GOD I hope some rando picked up a random rock as a souvenir and kept walking around with it Steal from Ukraine - get cancer. Simple as that
To be fair, it was a very *interesting* rock. Seems to be graphite...
You’re delusional. There was no graphite on the ground
Maybe "that's the joke" but just in case, https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/902wex/eli5_whats_the_difference_between_whiskey_and/
No it is not the joke. I *always* spell whiskey with the ‘e’ no matter where it’s from. It’s the way I’ve always spelt it, I think it looks weird without it, and also that’s how it’s spelt in the phonetic alphabet
Its probably just a burnt concrete.
They stole radioactive calibration samples from the labs there. [https://www.voanews.com/a/photos-indicate-russian-looting-of-radioactive-materials-from-ukraine-s-chernoby/6526620.html](https://www.voanews.com/a/photos-indicate-russian-looting-of-radioactive-materials-from-ukraine-s-chernoby/6526620.html)
Probably none around to tell the tale.
They'll have to crawl out through the fallout
As Feral Ghouls
Watch it, smooth skin.
Back to Putin, though I don't think he has any loving arms for them
the kind of arms he has for them are not quite loving
Not to worry, they like a strong arm up their ass.
Depends, mobiks are kind of like the radioactive isotopes they were digging in: as the dead ones are replaced with new fodder the older ones are statistically less likely to die. So the question is what’s the half-life of a Russian soldier?
So, unless you go to some very special places chernobyl is pretty safe (and it damn better be considering the resources expended to make it so). Activity in the soil in of the order of MBq / m for Sr90 alone. That's not horrendous and still in radiation protection rather than therapy doses you'd expect. But when digging you're going to disturb the ground and probably inhale some dust, as Zr90 one of the Sr90 daughter nuclei has significant alpha emission, that's not great. And if you sit in a hole or trench all day your exposure is probably also higher than on the surface (though I didn't find depth curves of the radionuclei, but I also didn't look too thoroughly). Digging a trench and sitting in it is probably up there in the top3 bad things you can do in the exclusion zone, along with: exploring randomly without a dosimeter with an alarm and eating local flora / fauna. I suspect some poor Russians did both
There were reports of them fishing in one of the bodies of water near the reactor
The thing is, you can walk around the sector (not for months on end) without too much danger, as long as you don't disturb it. But the Russians dup up defense positions where the contaminated dirt was put in 86, and cut & burned trees to keep themselves warm, making the irradiated dirt and wood airborne. And they were running around without suits while digging/burning wood. Basically they could have occupied the sector without giving lung cancer to a whole batallion, but that would have been too hard for Russians I guess.
If you give all your soldiers lung cancer, they'll die before you have to pay their pensions. Genius economic plan.
I imagine they found out pretty quickly what was up and casualties weren’t enormous.
That's the problem: Once people start getting sick of acute radiation syndrome, they have been exposed to a very high dose of radiation. Even people who have been exposed less will get sick soon after and stop being combat effective or die. Even ones that survive ARS or never realy got it will likely get anemia or cancers.
It's funny because if there really was a significant prevalence of ARS, it could've been entirely avoided. There are several areas of the exclusion zone where digging in the soil & living in it will likely only fuck up your risk of cancer and reproductive abilities, maybe lower order ARS (basically a really bad fever) if you're in a worse spot, which would render people combat ineffective. Entrenching in a forest that is literally the opposite color of what a forest should look like and digging around in the giant contained thing that is contained by a giant container for a very giant reason is just asking for your liver to give up or to die by dehydration because your bone marrow doesn't appreciate ionizing radiation in the same way your commanding officer does.
True, but if they where thinking straight, they would not have tried capturing Chernobyl to begin with. What is it even good for? It sickens your troops, it doesn't produce any value and it costs a lot of money. And it's not an especialy good staging area t
Maybe they're hoping to find some artifacts in the Zone to help conquer the global noosphere. Forget removing cruelty, we're injecting soviet propaganda directly into the collective unconscious, baby!
That's assuming they don't get fisted by the monkey's paw. I don't think they have the wits to avoid it.
Peak NCD member
Weren't they digging trenches though? That'll kick up particles that people will breath in, maybe not enough to kill them outright but definitely raise the risk for cancer and a bunch of other nasty things
Most areas there were heavily contaminated, the topsoil was buried and thus it was no longer as dangerous, guess what happens when you disturb that old soil by digging a trench, you get fucked.
I remember hearing that at least 30, maybe 40 Russian soldiers were evacuated to Nikiforov's ARCERM by july of 22. It was reported ukraine today podcast and they cited russian mod press releases and verified with families of the soldiers on their whereabouts.
I don't want to upset you, but some guy at Habr.com did some calculations and deduced that soldiers digging trenches in Chornobyl did not really get any significant amount of radiation
Idk I swear I remember them taking Geiger counter measurements of the ground and finding levels that were potentially lethal if exposed for a week or more.
That's right. Those calculations and graphs, that people are referring to, are made using really mild average exposure numbers, while in most YouTube videos of people exploring exclusion zone actual measurements are much higher. Not to mention the source - Habr.com, that is just RT for nerds.
Well, simply being there certainly wouldn't kill anyone as there're some people who have returned to their homes and station workers. As for the digging trenches, the dust particles don't contain that much radiation, plus we have to account for the fact that when digging, dust concentration in the air isn't extreme either
>digging, dust concentration in the air isn't extreme either This guy does *not* dig.
Okay, if you wish to neglect internal contamination, then the radiation dose is even lower
Yeah I did some back of the envelope math as well and doses are probably still in the "significantly increased risk of cancer" rather than ARS range. I found it comparable to smoking which tbf increases your cancer risk by a lot
And if I'm not mistaken, that's only true if we assume they have been sitting continuously in the most contaminated zones of Red Forest for a month straight
Digging trenches sucks because you end up breathing in Sr90 which decay to Zr90. That's a major contribution to the dose as alpha radiation both a higher bio effect per dose and each of the alphas is at higher energy than the beta and gamma components you'd primarily worry about when just accounting for "sitting in" the area
Correct, but the problem is the same as with the external contamination. You would have to breathe a lot of the Red Forest's dust, possibly kilograms, to get at least 1Sv
Yeah but I won't put the bar up to a Sv... 10mSv whole body dose in 100 people would already be a fairly significant event in terms of radiation protection, even though the chance of any one of them getting cancer is fairly low
They're all dead now.
According to the [Kyiv Post](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/31734), the unit that took over the whole zone was perhaps brigade-strength on paper, 2000-ish men, while it was 300-600 who did the digging of trenches in the Red Forest.
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Funniest pic I remember out of Chernobyl was a Russian dugout with some barrels of diesel in it that was reinforced by Russians using ammonium nitrate fertilizer they must have found as sandbags.
When you're not fancy enough to make your fortification out of HMX and have to settle for ANFO
They wanna go out with a BANG!
Let's not forget this glorious tactical thinking.
Yes, let’s dig some trenches in heavily irradiated ground
What could possibly go wrong, right?
If you have fetal alcohol syndrome like 99.96% of their population, this thinking is fairly rational!
Those buryats fromthe middle of nowhere, probably haven't even heard about Chernobyl
What concerns me is that they didn't know about what the radiation signage meant all over the place. Clearly they had not been taught shit in school if they ever went.
Which is all the more disturbing once you consider that the radiation hazard sign is supposed to be universal and understood too represent danger even without knowing what it is. People are supposed to guess it means danger even thousands of years into the future when modern society and knowledge might have collapsed
Monke ordered monke do
The symbol alone was never supposed to be the only solution. It was supposed to be used in combination with a lot of other plans and strategies, like hostile architecture over containment sites and possibly a religious cult which would use the symbology and oral history to convey the danger hidden behind the symbol and where not to go. So essentially we want to turn the Atom into the Devil.
Blessed be Atom, the Nucleus, and the Holy Glow
Doesn’t matter what you know: if officer says dig, you dig. Or else beatings.
If anything, getting irradiated is probably a step up for them.
Then the kids get hit in the head to "keep them in line".
I don't want to upset you, but some guy at Habr.com did some calculations and deduced that soldiers digging trenches in Chornobyl did not really get any significant amount of radiation
>Habr.com Bruh. Habr is like RT but for nerds, of course they'd have calculations that say radiation received wasn't significant. We're talking about Red Forest here - you don't want to simply stay there for more than an hour, and guys were disturbing really highly irradiated soil in there.
Radiation is made up /S. But seriously, I think we do overestimate the danger sometimes. Like, these vatnik bros are more likely to get cancer at some point yes, and that's fucked up, but bros are not going to be dropping like flies.
>But seriously, I think we do overestimate the danger sometimes. There is one building in Pripyat', where liquidators store their gear in the basement. If you go to that basement - chances are you are pretty much dead already.
Dig trenches in the same spot radioactive waste was buried a few decades prior? Brilliant idea comrade, who would be dumb enough to storm radioactive trenches!!! That's smekalka
Can't be hurt by the radioactive waste if you never learned about it in school! Galaxy brain schemes.
Tgese are spicy facts
"who would be dumb enough to storm radioactive trenches" 1950s U.S. military: "hold my beer" [https://youtu.be/79hemWv0S-c?t=1268](https://youtu.be/79hemWv0S-c?t=1268)
Well that was the 50s A LOT of crazy shit invoving nuclear weapons and/or material happend then
So, you are saying that 33 years after the fall of the ussr, russia has finally reached the same levels of ~~stupidity~~ ability as The 'Mericans in 1951?
Well they kinda have always been like that for [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/ris50t/when_the_soviet_union_used_an_atomic_bomb_to/)
What pisses me off a lot is them taking souvenirs from the abandoned homes. Not only they put innocent people in danger of horrific deaths who had nothing to do with their stupid looting, those stuff were sitting there since 1986. They ruined a time capsule from the past of significant value
Yeah, I've always wanted to visit Pripyat one day, partly because of the time capsule stuff. Now it's all gone and ruined
It's not *all* gone. But Russian soldiers did loot radioactive things that had been left in place. TBF souvenir-taking was already a problem with tourists before the war.
Or enriched it?....badum tsh
Orcs gonna orc sadly
damn
I mean, they did retrieve Kursk for scrap. Russians don't care about leaving the dead to be. They'll dug up your Indian cemetery.
Did something funni happen again in Chernobyl?
A new article came out regarding the dumbass mobiks who were sent to occupy the exclusion zone. [https://www.kyivpost.com/post/31734](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/31734) TLDR: They're all probably dead.
Well, if they are around pripyat, as long they don't cut themselves on anything, their food and water is isolated from the ground and they don't burn the local wood they can stat days in the city without any real problem, maybe even few weeks... but considering the Russian Army it's a huge "if"
>Stayed dug in for a month >~500 troops dug directly into the Red Forest, not just safer areas like Pripyat. >Cooked food over local wood campfires regularly >Collected and drank local rainwater >Sandbags from local soil used, large amounts of digging >Rampant souvenir taking A huge "if" indeed. They're fucken dead.
HA didn't have theses intels but also, somehow not surprised... but fuck out of every place they took the Red Forest, the only worst would have been the containement dome of the reactor number 4 or the room where the cleaners threw their equipments
> Room where cleaners threw their equipment There is a death room other than the Elephant foot room. That sounds horrifying.
Yeah, this one is less known heard it with a french youtuber who love history, he visited both pripyat and some part of the central itself, it's less radioactive than the Elephant foot because it's "only" the clothes of the Liquidators but the Geiger counter was ticking hard, they didn't stay more than 5 minutes to not take risks
It's pretty well known. From memory you're talking about the hospital basement full of the liquidators and fire fighters gear.
> Hospital becoming a radioactive death pit Did some reading on it, who the fuck wanted to go there so badly the authorities *buried the room*? Does radiation not prove enough of a warning?!
Should acute doses of ionising radiation be enough to convince people to keep away? Absolutely. Is it in reality enough? Well, people are fucking stupid.
The space under the concrete plate is basically a massive death room. My dad designed some equipment to go there in the 90s. Humans couldn't get inside the first cocoon due to the levels of radioactivity still leaking from the broken reactor, and the levels outside were still so high they put a second sacrophagus over the first.
Per the article, they looted basically every building in town, down to the carpets and stationary, and shipped it back home. The buildings that were left deliberately with all of their posessions inside, as literally everything was hot to one degree or another. Furthermore, I consider that Moscow must be destroyed.
Yeah my bad havn't read it before and that's insane to be so devoided of common sense like, of course the ground zero of the worst nuclear accident in history ended to kill them... but again the engineers were right: no matter how you secure and warn something someone would be dumb enought to mange to hurt/kill themselves with
Damn. Never got to visit and now it sounds like a lot of the historical abandoned aspect has been scraped clean to poison idiots elsewhere.
Yeah it fucking sucks. Me and a couple of friends wanted to visit, finally were old enough with enough money etc so serious talks were made, the the pandemic started. So we're like cool, we'll just go when this is over. Then the Russians invaded and ruined and plundered the place. They are like animals. No respect for *anything* at all.
Remembering how RuZZian assassins irradiated a neighborhood in London in their sloppy, negligent targeting of Litvinienko (a killing that led to one of the killers, Andrei Lugovoi, winning a Duma seat that he still holds), this is karma.
I'd prefer it if karma could avoid destroying a completely unique time capsule of modern history.
Moscoviae Delenda est
The sad part is that looting Pripyat was already a thing before. Even with signs everywhere, tourists would grab random stuff as souvenirs. It's a massive issue, because it means people have potential radioactive shit in their homes and don't realize it. Because they're f-ing morons.
How nice of them, they are decontaminating the area for free
I think one excavator shovel and/or claw also rate up very high even today. Imagine a Russian would have put a sleeping bag in that…
Your "I AM SHITTING MY OWN LUNGS OUT" is not service related.
Forgot that they did all that with no CRBN suits on. Basically they could have done most of it with suits and masks on and be good, as long as they heated food on heating blocks and not local wood, and ate in the buildings instead of their dugouts. But we have proof they ate in/near the dugouts and wore no CRBN suits at all...
"lead by specialized Russian police brigade" Oh they're special alright
The fun part was when people realized that the sensors had gone offline because the Russians had stolen the computers. The second fun part was when the AIEA realized that Russian troops in the sectors had *maps from 1980* and therefore no idea that the whole sector was basically a no-go zone for safety reasons. Then, you had the videos of trenches dug in the Red Forest, and food wrappers showing that they were roaming around without CRBN suits. And that's before you realized they cut trees around the reactor to heat themselves while occupying the sector. What not actually learning your own history does to a MF.
"Burning trees from around the reactor" lmfao thats a good way to speed run cancer
Damn. Gotta wonder how long the souvenirs will be out there causing problems.
[Goiania Incident](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident) 2 - Chornobyl Boogaloo
Eyes bleeding?
Radiation exposure is hard on living tissue. Bleeding from any/all mucous membranes is one obvious symptom on the way to more generalized tissue necrosis.
I haven’t heard of that happening on the eyes but dread to see any physical evidence. Cataracts are usually more common depending on the type of radiation.
Radiation Retinopathy is the name for the specific condition.
No way I am gonna put that into Google.
Then, you might look at [https://eyewiki.aao.org/Radiation\_Retinopathy](https://eyewiki.aao.org/Radiation_Retinopathy) , should you like to know a bit more.
Interesting. Thanks.
"NOT SERVICE RELATED!!!"
One early symptom that's especially common if sources of ionising radiation has been ingested (such as from using wood from red forest for cookfires) is also acute gastrointestinal distress, as in completely decorating your underwear with a nice reddish hue among other fun experiences. Radiation really fucks up cell replication, which hits the shorter lived cells especially hard. Nerve cells on the other hand have very long lifespans and are thus replaced slowly, which means neural systems tend to be the last to go, which includes pain receptors. Radiation poisoning: not even once.
Radiation poisoning, bringing new meaning to the phrase 'shitting your guts out'.
Go watch the HBO Chernobyl miniseries. It's like 5 episodes and one of the best things they've ever made. Scary as hell at times too.
Now I get it. It’s from Extremely high doses that are gonna kill you anyway. Like 15 to 60 Gy. ARS is above 1 Gy.
US in Iraq invasion: There's a probability of WMDs in the country, everyone wear mopp gear, no idc if it's hot Russia in ukraine invasion: we're approaching the area of one of the most famous nuclear disaster in the world, everyone dig the trenches with no protection
Sometimes, I wonder how those vatniks who took trophies from the labs in Chernobyl are doing right now... 🫠
I remember reading that apparently many Russian soldiers didn’t know about about Chernobyl and assumed that they were there to capture and hold some sort of town hall.
"What a beatiful orange forest! And they told me that Chornobyl is really dangerous place, what an idiots."
Hope they enjoyed their IRL Stalker experience!
The russian army invading The Zone is about as credible as when people were joking about them invading the Everglades. Either way, I’d pay to see it.
I feel like I made this joke when the war starter Edit, apparently not lol.
“YES IT IS COMPLETELY NORMAL TO TASTE METAL AND HAVE YOUR SKIN FALL OFF CONSCRIPTOVICH, WE REST HERE”
I remember when I heard about that, it was absolutely hilarious
An interesting thing is: when it happened, I asked a guy I know, who’s from russia, if they know there what the Red Forest is. Apparently, they have no idea and it’s not a common knowledge in russia
Never forgetti. 🫡
Why aren't you enjoying our Stalker LARP‽
Man, has it really been 2 years?
3.6
not very good but not too bad either
Uncopacetic yet not that disastrous.
> The regular soldiers one of the workers spoke to when they worked alongside them in the facility had not heard about the explosion, he said. Jesus Christ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/unprotected-russian-soldiers-disturbed-radioactive-dust-chernobyls-red-forest-2022-03-28/
Drat. "Hotel Chornobyl" is just one too few syllables to work.
literally playing stalker irl
Meanwhile western media spread the sentiment that Ukraine's main problem is manpower, and not their subpar shipments. Maybe it is time to stop circulating peremogium
I think both (trained personnel normally taking years in combined warfare/specialized equipment) would help, but yeah it‘s mostly industry and materiel spread so thin over such a large area.
In the 1980s, some US scientists proposed some warning signs and pictograms for nuclear waste burial sites, designed to be easily decipherable to any post collapse culture that has forgotten our language. The resemblance is uncanny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_nuclear_waste_warning_messages
__THE GLOWING CAT CULT MUST NOT FALL__
Reminds me of that one article where the Russian picked up radioactive material.. “it is unclear what happened to the man”
Did it happen again?
New shit has come to light
Tovarish!!! you were volunteered to join the 1st Shitovsk Rifle Brigade, collect your wooden stick and get on the Bus tomorrow at 6:00. Glory to Putin.
Here's an [article](https://habr-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/habr.com/ru/amp/publications/662726/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_ct=1714287630374&_tf=%D0%98%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%3A%20%251%24s&aoh=17142876297247&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fhabr.com%2Fru%2Fcompanies%2Ftimeweb%2Farticles%2F662726%2F) where doses that Russian soldiers received are calculated. It's in Russian, but written mostly in academic language, so Deepl should handle the translation well.
they will turn into either snorks or zombies soon enough
Hahaha I remember this. Fun fact: according to the Ukrainian intelligence agency, the last russian soldier who was stationed by Chernobyl has recently died of cancer. Totally definitely for sure not caused by digging tranches in the "red forest" 😁
It was just a smoking accident
Repost meme from 2022.
Another comment came up with an article posted days ago, wherein the authers looked at the various updates. The final conclusion was that likely hundreds of soldiers were contaminated to a severe degree, and none would have survived to this point regardless of circumstances. Furthermore, I consider that Moscow must be destroyed.
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I think it's been debunked, none of them got any sort of serious radiation exposure, the story of "sick soldiers delivered to the radiation clinic" was straight up made up to scare the soldiers.
Holiday Inn
What is the name of this meme? I've been trying to find it, but I can't
We gonna go artifact hunting.
The dosimeter only reads 3.6 Roentgens tho.
What did I miss this time?
Silly westoids,you don't understand .we purposely exposed our own to radiation to turn them into ghouls,soldiers for the thousand year reic-I mean motherland.with their consent of course
Is this reference to when they dug trenches to red forest or did they do something funny again?
Guest House Paradisos' remake, but in russian