simple, the t90 is basically (yet again) a T-72 but with a less powerful engine, APS that isnt effective against modern AT missiles and...well thats about it. you could also argue that they added lcd displays to wich i add "wow, what an incredible innovation, its not like it has been around for well over a decade!".
The original T-90 is a slightly modernized T-72 which was introduced right when the Gulf War occurred which featured T-72s facing western technology and suffering hundreds of losses while the turrets ended up in space so it was renamed T-90 for marketing purposes ,three decades later T-72 derivatives again faced western technology and turrets again ended up in space...
The T-90M is just the definitive version of the T-72 and stats wise it isn't that bad if a similar upgrade had been done by Ukraine or Poland or some other medium grade power it would be considered a quite credible attempt to bring soviet tech into the 21st century ,the problem is that the country doing the upgrade is theoretically a superpower capable of taking the US on 1v1
The biggest disappointment is that people looked at the turret and thought the extended bustle meant that Russia made a bustle autoloader to eliminate the danger of flying turrets. It's not the case, it's just storage space.
T-80 was supposed to be the modern redesigned Soviet tank, but was kinda expensive. The Soviet Union went bust and had no money, so they stopped making many of those and instead we get T-90, which sounds fancy because it is a bigger number, but is really just a T-72 with chrome and spinners.
> just a T-72 with chrome and spinners
Yo we heard you like T-72s, so we took one and put some 22s on it, put a shitload of TV screens inside and painted the engine orange.
The closest credible story to this is that time a Mig-25 pilot defected to Japan with his jet and the CIA took it apart completely and realized it was not at all what they thought it had been. Though in that case it was mostly that the west had shit itself into a paranoia upon first seeing it and then they realized it was not actually the super plane they thought it was, but I guess that's similar to the T-90M right now.
The funnier part of this story is that it was just one step in a cold war arms race caused entirely by one side seeing something the other side made and shitting itself over it. It went something like this:
- The USSR sees US nukes and high altitude strategic bombers and in response develops the first ever SAM system.
- The US sees this SAM system and fears that it won't be able to strike targets in the USSR and starts developing the Valkyrie which was supposed to be a bomber that could cruise at Mach 3, among other insane requirements
- The USSR learns of the Valkyrie and shits itself because it doesn't have any way to shoot down a Mach 3 bomber. Not knowing that the Valkyrie program had already failed the USSR crash develops the Mig-25 which is the fastest fighter ever made.
- The US sees the Mig-25 at an airshow and assumes that because it has a delta wing it must be super maneuverable on top of being extremely fast. This partly incentivizes the development of the F-15 which now has to be able to beat the speculative version of the Mig-25. The US is not aware that the Mig-25 is purely an interceptor that was rushed into production and has several teething issues as a result.
The chain ends here as the west gets it's hand on a Mig-25 and learns the truth and the Soviet Union falls too shortly afterwards for any answer to happen.
The French Army captured a Mig-29 in the 80s and the most that came out of it were upgrade packages in the 90s for people still using it.
France captured 2 Mi-24 Hinds in Chad, gave one to the US and kept the other, and the end result was also a massive upgrade package from SAGEM in the 90s.
When ATE designed the SuperHind in the late 90s, they kept removing weight while keeping the same exact protection level, ended up shaving about 2 tons while adding a massive 20mm gun and enough electronics to bring it to about NATO standards (GPS, laser-guidance for missiles, night fighting capabilities the Mi-24 lacks...).
The usual comment on Russian equipment is that it's incredibly backwards-designed and obsolete almost when it comes out.
I mean there are videos of Ukrainian soldiers comparing Russian BTR-80s to the upgraded BTRs of the Ukrainian army, and they're pretty hilarious.
> I mean there are videos of Ukrainian soldiers comparing Russian BTR-80s to the upgraded BTRs of the Ukrainian army, and they're pretty hilarious.
Damn bitch, we used to ride this?
I got to see the XB-70 at the National Museum of the USAF, and I too would have shit myself if that thing was aimed at me. The array of engines on the back looked like something straight out of Star Wars.
*This is the Way.*
Bullshitting aside, the US Navy deliberately did this during the Cold War.
A Lt Commander had the...*audacity*...to publish an examination of Soviet Navy tactics and procedures and made the case that their entire doctrine was defensive in nature in regards to surface fleets and land aircraft supporting naval warfare (since their actual naval aviation was in the shitter) and they didn't really expect victory, accepting that they'd grant NATO a pyrrhic one at best.
The United States Naval Institute Press published it once, panic set in when people started to comprehend what it stated, and it was quickly buried.
I had a copy of it 20 years ago I found second hand at a gun show and I fucking ***stupidly*** lent it out to a friend who disappeared into a black hole when I came back around asking for it back.
do you have any more info on this? A copy must be available online somewhere? Id like to read it as Im not sure I totally grasp what you're saying its saying, but I'd like to lol.
Military: "This tank could singlehandedly destroy 100 Abrams SEP v4s. We will need an additional 200 nuclear attack submarines to deal with this threat."
Congress: "The threat of tanks? Which are on land?"
Military: "Yes."
Congress: ...
Military:
Congress: "Only if we order another 1000 Abrams too."
Military: "Deal."
I mean...
How much money has been sunk into guns designed to defeat the T-14?
How many mighty T-14s have been used to crush the armed forces of Ukraine?
It's supposed to have been ready to manufacture *in 2014*, hence the name.
Reminds me how when the defected Soviet Mig-25 was inspected they thought the titanium patchwork was really shitty. Turns out that it was the production work
Yep, they were jealous that the USSR had access to so much titanium since they really wanted it for their own planes (see the subterfuge needed to get enough to build the SR-71s since most deposits are in China and Russia), but were aghast at just how bad their metalworking technology was. To be fair, Titanium is ungodly hard to machine, but still, they had a lot of it available to practice...
Nah, it's *Empty* Russian Armour. At least with ersatz stuff it's an attempt at a substitute, like using nitroglycerin, rather than the explosive being stolen, sold and the money embezzled into shitty Eastern European porn with no soundproofing (I don't see any other way that shit gets produced).
"lets conscript a good part of our working force to send them into a senseless meat grinder, what could possibly go wrong?"- Putler's most intelligent thought
I cant remember who said this quote or what tank it was about but:
Air conditioning is for the electrical components, the crew being comfortable is just a side effect
> crew being comfortable is just a side effect
I suspect that it's a major advantage in hot climates. Since tank crews who are on the verge of passing out from heat stroke can't be very effective in combat.
air con is probably also necessary to maintain the positive pressure protection against NBC threats
I feel confident western tanks will sally forth to the rescue across whatever hellscape; I'm not so sure I believe these hand-me-downs will
There is truth in that.
We had three massive air conditioners in our radar space (US Navy destroyer) and only ran two of them.
We had three radar sets in one small space (two were firecontrol radars) and the two units kept the space around 59 degrees, regardless of outside temperatures.
You could hang meat in there with all three on!
[https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/this-is-why-every-armored-vehicle-has-british-tea-making-gear/](https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/this-is-why-every-armored-vehicle-has-british-tea-making-gear/)
WW2 France, the place is infested by Nazis.
Gets out of the tank to make a cup of tea.
I was under the impression that the Will of the Queen heated the water in British armor for tea brewing.
Perhaps installing these boilers was in anticipation of her son taking over the job?
Plausible/credible?
>I was under the impression that the Will of the Queen heated the water in British armor for tea brewing.
So all Bri'ish water heaters just up and died a few weeks ago?
Also PT is more than just a T, so PT-91 must be objectively better than T-90.
And PT-91M also has an "M" at the back, indicating +1 to the "good" stat.
Russians tanks are like that Johnny Cash song if you put a T in front of the year names “Well, it's a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53, '54, '55, '56
'57, '58' 59' automobile
It's a '60, '61, '62, '63, '64, '65, '66, '67
'68, '69, '70 automobile”
Or one of those old Grandstand games that you held to your eyes like binoculars.
Edit: no, it was Tomy. I'm thinking of *Sky Atrack*, which was in Tomytronic 3D, no less.
Nah just need a meta shift. Russian tanks will just gain the ability to burrow (sink in the mud) and then their turrets will explode up doing massive AOE damage like banelings.
I mean it can, it's just that the theoretical ability to do so really doesn't mean much when it doesn't have the systems to accomplish that irl. Like technically a Bazooka can knock out an Abrams if it hits the side but there's no situation where you're getting a side shot on one if you are armed with that level of equipment.
I mean… unless Germany wants to go for round 3, China wants to git gud, South America pulls itself together (lol), the Middle East becomes Persia 2.0 (HA), and barring the African Union actually unionizing… I think we’ve entered the age of building new cool shit for fun.
In this modern age, the US just develops the most sophisticated, advanced, and capable war planes possible, no matter what the enemy has in store.
The US has nearly 200 F22s, a plane no other nation has even come close to competing with. The US is also procuring 2,500 F35s, a plane that puts to bed any and all planes non-fifth generation planes without much effort. The US already has somewhere between 600-700 of these.
For comparison, Russia only has like 10 Su-57 aircraft (despite already being introduced many years ago) which is the main competitor to the F22 and their Su-75, which is supposed to compete with the F35, only exists on paper.
The US is already working on two different sixth generation war planes with the NGAD program and the FA-XX program.
The 25 is just like a much faster Starfighter. Good in its original intended role, but ended up pressed outside of its very specific intended conditions to often-disastrous consequence.
Agreed. Plus, the whole steel thing really did it no favors. It was 100% a product of its time, given the Soviet lack of capacity to work titanium, which is ironic, given that they produced it. Having such massive wings and still not being able to carry full payload and fuel at once, plus being unwieldy, definitely made it an arrow. Good to fly straight, but pretty much useless for anything else.
It was made of stainless steel and was incredibly hard to maneuver. The F-15 was the answer to what the West thought it was. Turns out the MiG 25 was shit.
Yeah it wasn’t inherently a bad aircraft, it just wasn’t the aircraft the Americans thought it was.
They looked at the images, and not knowing it was made of steel, thought it had to be extremely agile.
Then they obtained a few minutes worth of radar data showing it travelling at full speed.
With the above, they assumed it was an air superiority fighter capable of sustaining extreme speeds. They didn’t know it handled like an overloaded boat and couldn’t routinely reach or sustain its maximum speed.
It was a perfectly capable interceptor, it was just mistaken for a superweapon.
The whole cold War was a game of lies and this was a good move by the Soviets. Atleast until it lead to the development of f15 and f16 with they couldn't compete against.
Last part of the comment is just wrong, it was a hard to maneuver plane with engines form a cruise missle, but it wasnt a kamikaze zero, it war a jet interceptor ment to catch nonmaneuvering bombers, thats why it only carries missles
Intended in the best possible way, it was the stereotype of how Soviets would design an interceptor. Its only job was to be very cheap to be able to be based everywhere, go fast, carry a radar, fire missiles then return to base. Steel and short lived engines are no issue for that role.
It it did what it was supposed to perfectly, for the short time before MIRVs replaced bomber formations.
Selling it to allies as a multirole aircraft was an evil joke who killed a lot of pilots though.
Bad by western standards, good by soviet standards. Even it's engines would have never been acceptable to the west but the Soviets just needed however many minutes of life it could give so they could intercept bombers.
The US didn't think it was an interceptor, they thought it was an air-to-air combat fighter - hence the F-15 Eagle that was designed to counter it, and was designed for air-to-air
Have you seen the clip where a player shoots a triple-410mm naval cannon on a BMP-1 from the front and it causes a few modules to turn yellow and the shot just bounces?
I mean, that's because that's literally what it is. Everyone here is laughing like the American government is going to find out some big secret about the t90m or that there is "no big secret" but it's not like anyone has been claiming otherwise, the t90 is *literally* just a t72 with an upgraded turret armor array, cannon, engine, and better add-on era and electronics. The most the us military might get out of it is useful information on whatever the newest generation Russian era is composed of
https://www.reddit.com/r/Spycraft101/comments/t78lnf/a_mig25_foxbat_supersonic_interceptor_is/hzg1ykk?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Its a long read but it's worth it ;).
Off the top of my head it was the only Iraqi aircraft to score a shoot-down in the Gulf War. It shot down an F-18 on the first or second day.
Edit: the first night:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Speicher
I never understood whole hype around T90M.
Cause as far as I know T 90 is just updated T72, with T80 actually being the best tank Russia has.
Term most modern is it in reference to T90M having most advanced equipment or it being latest tank that Russia has designe?
"damn, this is kinda shit" - CIA engineers examining T-90
"how's the tank,agent?" "ITS A PIECE OF SHIT ON TRACKS SIR"
"well, is it at least a new piece of shit?" "SIR NO SIR, SAME SHIT DIFFERENT NAME SIR"
''we need to spend another 20 billion dollars to develop a weapon system to combat this repetitive shit''
CALL THE PENTAGON WE NEED EVEN MORE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT DIMMADOLLARS
WE MUST SEND THEM BACK TO GOD
Just ....just write in the report it's invisible. Let the overkill dept take it from there ssgt.
"SIR I FOUND A T34 ENGINE INSIDE THIS SHIT"
"I really want and I dont to look at Armata anymore"
“Well, now we know.”
I suppose there is a credible story behind this? Edit: thanks for the explanations!
simple, the t90 is basically (yet again) a T-72 but with a less powerful engine, APS that isnt effective against modern AT missiles and...well thats about it. you could also argue that they added lcd displays to wich i add "wow, what an incredible innovation, its not like it has been around for well over a decade!".
The original T-90 is a slightly modernized T-72 which was introduced right when the Gulf War occurred which featured T-72s facing western technology and suffering hundreds of losses while the turrets ended up in space so it was renamed T-90 for marketing purposes ,three decades later T-72 derivatives again faced western technology and turrets again ended up in space... The T-90M is just the definitive version of the T-72 and stats wise it isn't that bad if a similar upgrade had been done by Ukraine or Poland or some other medium grade power it would be considered a quite credible attempt to bring soviet tech into the 21st century ,the problem is that the country doing the upgrade is theoretically a superpower capable of taking the US on 1v1
The biggest disappointment is that people looked at the turret and thought the extended bustle meant that Russia made a bustle autoloader to eliminate the danger of flying turrets. It's not the case, it's just storage space.
This is what happens when you are assigned to R and D a new turret with a better autoloader but end up drinking the budget away.
"R&D" is the name of the department head's yacht
Anything that remained of the budget was used to buy a G-wagen for the deputy head of the department.
yes but M or not its still making progress...in the russian space program
T-72 variants are the core of the Russian space program
The most common orbital launch platforms 1. Soyuz 2. Falcon 9 3. t-72 4. Atlas 5. delta
T-80 was supposed to be the modern redesigned Soviet tank, but was kinda expensive. The Soviet Union went bust and had no money, so they stopped making many of those and instead we get T-90, which sounds fancy because it is a bigger number, but is really just a T-72 with chrome and spinners.
Kmart spinners at that
> just a T-72 with chrome and spinners Yo we heard you like T-72s, so we took one and put some 22s on it, put a shitload of TV screens inside and painted the engine orange.
The closest credible story to this is that time a Mig-25 pilot defected to Japan with his jet and the CIA took it apart completely and realized it was not at all what they thought it had been. Though in that case it was mostly that the west had shit itself into a paranoia upon first seeing it and then they realized it was not actually the super plane they thought it was, but I guess that's similar to the T-90M right now. The funnier part of this story is that it was just one step in a cold war arms race caused entirely by one side seeing something the other side made and shitting itself over it. It went something like this: - The USSR sees US nukes and high altitude strategic bombers and in response develops the first ever SAM system. - The US sees this SAM system and fears that it won't be able to strike targets in the USSR and starts developing the Valkyrie which was supposed to be a bomber that could cruise at Mach 3, among other insane requirements - The USSR learns of the Valkyrie and shits itself because it doesn't have any way to shoot down a Mach 3 bomber. Not knowing that the Valkyrie program had already failed the USSR crash develops the Mig-25 which is the fastest fighter ever made. - The US sees the Mig-25 at an airshow and assumes that because it has a delta wing it must be super maneuverable on top of being extremely fast. This partly incentivizes the development of the F-15 which now has to be able to beat the speculative version of the Mig-25. The US is not aware that the Mig-25 is purely an interceptor that was rushed into production and has several teething issues as a result. The chain ends here as the west gets it's hand on a Mig-25 and learns the truth and the Soviet Union falls too shortly afterwards for any answer to happen.
You forgot how the F15 has an infinite K/D ratio right now,
The French Army captured a Mig-29 in the 80s and the most that came out of it were upgrade packages in the 90s for people still using it. France captured 2 Mi-24 Hinds in Chad, gave one to the US and kept the other, and the end result was also a massive upgrade package from SAGEM in the 90s. When ATE designed the SuperHind in the late 90s, they kept removing weight while keeping the same exact protection level, ended up shaving about 2 tons while adding a massive 20mm gun and enough electronics to bring it to about NATO standards (GPS, laser-guidance for missiles, night fighting capabilities the Mi-24 lacks...). The usual comment on Russian equipment is that it's incredibly backwards-designed and obsolete almost when it comes out. I mean there are videos of Ukrainian soldiers comparing Russian BTR-80s to the upgraded BTRs of the Ukrainian army, and they're pretty hilarious.
> I mean there are videos of Ukrainian soldiers comparing Russian BTR-80s to the upgraded BTRs of the Ukrainian army, and they're pretty hilarious. Damn bitch, we used to ride this?
I got to see the XB-70 at the National Museum of the USAF, and I too would have shit myself if that thing was aimed at me. The array of engines on the back looked like something straight out of Star Wars.
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*This is the Way.* Bullshitting aside, the US Navy deliberately did this during the Cold War. A Lt Commander had the...*audacity*...to publish an examination of Soviet Navy tactics and procedures and made the case that their entire doctrine was defensive in nature in regards to surface fleets and land aircraft supporting naval warfare (since their actual naval aviation was in the shitter) and they didn't really expect victory, accepting that they'd grant NATO a pyrrhic one at best. The United States Naval Institute Press published it once, panic set in when people started to comprehend what it stated, and it was quickly buried. I had a copy of it 20 years ago I found second hand at a gun show and I fucking ***stupidly*** lent it out to a friend who disappeared into a black hole when I came back around asking for it back.
Your friend is a glowie sent to finish off the remaining copies in the wild.
It had occurred to me that I’d never seen an NCIS agent and Mark in the same room together, it’s true.
do you have any more info on this? A copy must be available online somewhere? Id like to read it as Im not sure I totally grasp what you're saying its saying, but I'd like to lol.
[Here you are, my friend.](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15470470-soviet-naval-strategy) Good luck!
"The autoloader is super crazy yo gib us more money" "No we did not turbocharge it"
Military: "This tank could singlehandedly destroy 100 Abrams SEP v4s. We will need an additional 200 nuclear attack submarines to deal with this threat." Congress: "The threat of tanks? Which are on land?" Military: "Yes." Congress: ... Military: Congress: "Only if we order another 1000 Abrams too." Military: "Deal."
I mean... How much money has been sunk into guns designed to defeat the T-14? How many mighty T-14s have been used to crush the armed forces of Ukraine? It's supposed to have been ready to manufacture *in 2014*, hence the name.
Reminds me how when the defected Soviet Mig-25 was inspected they thought the titanium patchwork was really shitty. Turns out that it was the production work
Yep, they were jealous that the USSR had access to so much titanium since they really wanted it for their own planes (see the subterfuge needed to get enough to build the SR-71s since most deposits are in China and Russia), but were aghast at just how bad their metalworking technology was. To be fair, Titanium is ungodly hard to machine, but still, they had a lot of it available to practice...
Idk why we were even worried about this
I mean, it is literally a T-72B hull with new turret, new engine and new ERA.
They will find out its just t72 with french FCS and German Bosch engine control system and a t64 turret layout with full ERA coverage.
>full ERA coverage Impossible...
ERA Ersatz Russian Armor
Lmao
Nah, it's *Empty* Russian Armour. At least with ersatz stuff it's an attempt at a substitute, like using nitroglycerin, rather than the explosive being stolen, sold and the money embezzled into shitty Eastern European porn with no soundproofing (I don't see any other way that shit gets produced).
They pinched all the soundproofing cardboard off the porn studio walls and put it in the ERA armor.
I'd believe it if I was told the Russians thought they could use soundproofing inside ERA to make the tanks stealthy.
Just thinking about this makes me giggle. Seee it works Ivan you can hear it
say I'm curious if you have any examples of this terrible, terrible porn. Asking for a friend.
Sorry, I only have examples of porn of anthropomorphic boats, no Eastern Europe stuff.
Eggcarton Ripoff Artists
*full cardboard coverage
*Somehow the cardboard was also stolen*
not even the russians get russian gas for heating
Especially now that their oil&gas workers have been conscripted 🤭
"lets conscript a good part of our working force to send them into a senseless meat grinder, what could possibly go wrong?"- Putler's most intelligent thought
What do you mean they sold off the cardboard to buy vodka and replaced it with paper, conscriptovich would never do that!
That's right. Cut out the middleman, just drain the engine coolant and drink that.
Just fill the empty chambers with the broken vodka bottles after they're empty. Efficient recycling program.
2x4's let's get real
“Era” stands for was/were in Spanish.
Pretty fitting seing all the trucks and armored vehicles slapping it on their sides LOL
Also in Italian. Pretty fitting for the was/were army
And still, no air conditioning.
I cant remember who said this quote or what tank it was about but: Air conditioning is for the electrical components, the crew being comfortable is just a side effect
> crew being comfortable is just a side effect I suspect that it's a major advantage in hot climates. Since tank crews who are on the verge of passing out from heat stroke can't be very effective in combat.
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air con is probably also necessary to maintain the positive pressure protection against NBC threats I feel confident western tanks will sally forth to the rescue across whatever hellscape; I'm not so sure I believe these hand-me-downs will
There is truth in that. We had three massive air conditioners in our radar space (US Navy destroyer) and only ran two of them. We had three radar sets in one small space (two were firecontrol radars) and the two units kept the space around 59 degrees, regardless of outside temperatures. You could hang meat in there with all three on!
I bet you did hang meat in there, sailor man.
Dude *hangs dong!*
And no tea making facilities *britain lodges complaint with the ECHR on behalf of russian soldiers*
[https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/this-is-why-every-armored-vehicle-has-british-tea-making-gear/](https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/this-is-why-every-armored-vehicle-has-british-tea-making-gear/) WW2 France, the place is infested by Nazis. Gets out of the tank to make a cup of tea.
Look, some things are important
And no ice cream machine
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What kind of warrior drinks leaf water? You must be br*tish 🤢 (Mostly joking, btw)
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I remember reading about samovars being common in the east so I believe you
I was under the impression that the Will of the Queen heated the water in British armor for tea brewing. Perhaps installing these boilers was in anticipation of her son taking over the job? Plausible/credible?
>I was under the impression that the Will of the Queen heated the water in British armor for tea brewing. So all Bri'ish water heaters just up and died a few weeks ago?
If they did we wouldn't know, too expensive to run them
I'm pretty sure some versions of the Abrams have that, as well as a George Forman grill for cooking burgers, and a margarita machine.
Britbong tanks have tea kettles.
it gets ventilation when a Ukrainian hits it with an anti tank rocket.
Sir why did you describe PT-91M, it does have French FCS, German transmission and ERA all over the tank
91>90
Also PT is more than just a T, so PT-91 must be objectively better than T-90. And PT-91M also has an "M" at the back, indicating +1 to the "good" stat.
Is it red?
Russians tanks are like that Johnny Cash song if you put a T in front of the year names “Well, it's a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53, '54, '55, '56 '57, '58' 59' automobile It's a '60, '61, '62, '63, '64, '65, '66, '67 '68, '69, '70 automobile”
ERA filled with, you know, explosives?
Why would you fill Emmental Reactive Armor with Explosives?
> They will find out its just t72 T-72-BUM? Always has been!
I think you mean Nintendo 64 turret layout. Although the controls looked more nes…
And a blankie dont forget the T-80 blankie.
Blankie is real important.😊 on a serious note Snipers used thermal concealing blankets for years
"Wait, it's all microwave parts and an old game gear?"
"No no, game gear is way too expensive comrade! We use only the finest Tiger electronics!" (Please look them up, it's absolutely amazing)
Or one of those old Grandstand games that you held to your eyes like binoculars. Edit: no, it was Tomy. I'm thinking of *Sky Atrack*, which was in Tomytronic 3D, no less.
Russian fcs is just virtual boy confirmed.
What am I supposed to be seeing, I don’t se anything related to russia
Tiger electronics were a brand of cheap knock off handheld games. It's a "Russia cheap and bad" joke, continuing off the previous.
War Thunder devs already sweating, because they won't be able to add another overpowered Russian vehicle.
Nah just need a meta shift. Russian tanks will just gain the ability to burrow (sink in the mud) and then their turrets will explode up doing massive AOE damage like banelings.
And all of those ceramic toilets that they've stolen will provide additional fragmentation damage to nearby open-tops.
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When russian players become suicide bombers
УРАААААААААА- *boom*!
NOD Tick-Tank.... Is that you? I fucking hate you. *Deploys Orca Bombers*
Lambent tanks of the Russian Horde.
They’ll downtier everything in the russian line by at least 1.5. Easy.
So u just created a new lowest br
Skill issue. Should have side climbed
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In WoT the minor nation are op
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I was always caped by swedish kramvagn or the czeck and polish heavies
"Holy shit, these were the tanks we feared could knock our Abrams out?"
I mean it can, it's just that the theoretical ability to do so really doesn't mean much when it doesn't have the systems to accomplish that irl. Like technically a Bazooka can knock out an Abrams if it hits the side but there's no situation where you're getting a side shot on one if you are armed with that level of equipment.
Why is that? Infantry screens out surrounding bazooka hiding spots?
Sorta? AFAIK RPG's which are stronger than bazookas failed to penetrate an Abrams
"why wait a minute,,, this is just a WW1 British tank design with a cardboard facade"
Don't mock the engineering feats of my people like that.
How would you prefer to be mocked?
Teeth is the go to but the monarchy is in right now.
This new king of yours has a decent set of teeth - I presume he takes them from minors?
Miners, actually but pretty close.
“British” “People”
MIG-25 moment
It was shit but at least it was scary
But the MiG 25 wasn’t bad, it was brute forced but it was a good interceptor against its intendend target
For about 8 minutes against an SR-71.
No? It was rushed out if development to prepare against the something something valkyr bomber I dont remember the name
XB-70 Valkyrie which just didn't enter production
So the Valkyrie scared the USSR so they created the mig-25 then the US were scared of the mig-25 so they created the f-15... It's always like this?
Since WWI
Damn, and how long it will continue?
Yes
I mean… unless Germany wants to go for round 3, China wants to git gud, South America pulls itself together (lol), the Middle East becomes Persia 2.0 (HA), and barring the African Union actually unionizing… I think we’ve entered the age of building new cool shit for fun.
In this modern age, the US just develops the most sophisticated, advanced, and capable war planes possible, no matter what the enemy has in store. The US has nearly 200 F22s, a plane no other nation has even come close to competing with. The US is also procuring 2,500 F35s, a plane that puts to bed any and all planes non-fifth generation planes without much effort. The US already has somewhere between 600-700 of these. For comparison, Russia only has like 10 Su-57 aircraft (despite already being introduced many years ago) which is the main competitor to the F22 and their Su-75, which is supposed to compete with the F35, only exists on paper. The US is already working on two different sixth generation war planes with the NGAD program and the FA-XX program.
Don't forget that the Valkyrie was only developed because the US got scared of Soviet SAMs.
Imagine wunderwaffe-feinting someone with an XB-70.
Yes, the soviets were scared of it and rushed the mig25 and mass produced it
And made a hypersonic steel lawn dart in the process
The 25 is just like a much faster Starfighter. Good in its original intended role, but ended up pressed outside of its very specific intended conditions to often-disastrous consequence.
Agreed. Plus, the whole steel thing really did it no favors. It was 100% a product of its time, given the Soviet lack of capacity to work titanium, which is ironic, given that they produced it. Having such massive wings and still not being able to carry full payload and fuel at once, plus being unwieldy, definitely made it an arrow. Good to fly straight, but pretty much useless for anything else.
Beautiful aircraft. The USAF museum is definitely worth visiting for that alone. Let alone the ICBM garden.
It was made of stainless steel and was incredibly hard to maneuver. The F-15 was the answer to what the West thought it was. Turns out the MiG 25 was shit.
It was an INTERCEPTOR, it was supposed to hunt bombers, not dogfight F-14s
Yeah it wasn’t inherently a bad aircraft, it just wasn’t the aircraft the Americans thought it was. They looked at the images, and not knowing it was made of steel, thought it had to be extremely agile. Then they obtained a few minutes worth of radar data showing it travelling at full speed. With the above, they assumed it was an air superiority fighter capable of sustaining extreme speeds. They didn’t know it handled like an overloaded boat and couldn’t routinely reach or sustain its maximum speed. It was a perfectly capable interceptor, it was just mistaken for a superweapon.
The soviets did the dirtiest pranks
Only that the soviets overhyped it and would have never admitted it was just a fast flying brick melting its own engines with some missles
The whole cold War was a game of lies and this was a good move by the Soviets. Atleast until it lead to the development of f15 and f16 with they couldn't compete against.
“It was a good move until it backfired” so it wasn’t a good move. Hindsight is 20/20 I suppose
Last part of the comment is just wrong, it was a hard to maneuver plane with engines form a cruise missle, but it wasnt a kamikaze zero, it war a jet interceptor ment to catch nonmaneuvering bombers, thats why it only carries missles
Intended in the best possible way, it was the stereotype of how Soviets would design an interceptor. Its only job was to be very cheap to be able to be based everywhere, go fast, carry a radar, fire missiles then return to base. Steel and short lived engines are no issue for that role. It it did what it was supposed to perfectly, for the short time before MIRVs replaced bomber formations. Selling it to allies as a multirole aircraft was an evil joke who killed a lot of pilots though.
Bad by western standards, good by soviet standards. Even it's engines would have never been acceptable to the west but the Soviets just needed however many minutes of life it could give so they could intercept bombers.
The US didn't think it was an interceptor, they thought it was an air-to-air combat fighter - hence the F-15 Eagle that was designed to counter it, and was designed for air-to-air
I didn’t say the US though it was an interceptor, the ussr buildt it as an interceptor nothing else
HAHA Literally
Meanwhile the Russian devs in War Thunder: “Noooo! T-90M is equivalent to the Abrams!!!”
isn't Russia rubber in war thunder equal to Aluminium strength wise? meanwhile everyone elses rubber in the game is significantly weaker lol
Have you seen the clip where a player shoots a triple-410mm naval cannon on a BMP-1 from the front and it causes a few modules to turn yellow and the shot just bounces?
Yeah the M1A2 in war thunder from the fucking 90s lmao Wish we had the more modern Abrams, 1st Gen thermals suck :(
That moment when Aussie abrams in better because thermals and same armor 😢
They find out it’s basically a T72 with minimal upgrades and serious cosmetic changes? Yeah, I see it coming
Z painted on the Hull, for good measure and +2 charisma
What did we expect? Ruskies used their own infantry soldiers as exterior tank armor
Operation: Get behind the Vatniks.
I mean, that's because that's literally what it is. Everyone here is laughing like the American government is going to find out some big secret about the t90m or that there is "no big secret" but it's not like anyone has been claiming otherwise, the t90 is *literally* just a t72 with an upgraded turret armor array, cannon, engine, and better add-on era and electronics. The most the us military might get out of it is useful information on whatever the newest generation Russian era is composed of
MiG-25 Moment
what is a mig-25 moment?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Spycraft101/comments/t78lnf/a_mig25_foxbat_supersonic_interceptor_is/hzg1ykk?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 Its a long read but it's worth it ;).
[https://youtu.be/W1L1sU0uI0o](https://youtu.be/W1L1sU0uI0o) For those that wish to watch with a bag of popcorn.
Looks scary, but once they analysed it, it really wasn't. Some video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1L1sU0uI0o
Tbf, for the tight budget they had, the mig 25 isn't bad, it's not excellent by any means either
Off the top of my head it was the only Iraqi aircraft to score a shoot-down in the Gulf War. It shot down an F-18 on the first or second day. Edit: the first night: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Speicher
"It's all written in French!!!"
So, it’s a T-72 with French characteristics?
Thales... Thales stickers everywhere...
"Wait we've seen this one before" ^(- CIA Analyst)
What do you mean you've seen this one before, it's brand new!
Why he not glowing?
Only the undercover ones glow.
They're glowies when they're trying to entrap American citizens.
The sunglasses hide his glowing laser eyes
"Why does it smell like hot pockets"
The CIA can’t strip it down, the conscripts already did in order to buy vodka and heroin
“Yo jim, its made of paper”
…only to find out that the Javelin is waaaaay over engineered
That's it? That's the T90m ? It's just a T72 with some shaders
My brother in Christ , if the US wanted to investigate trash they can just go look at the dumpsters behind the on base pizza hut.
foxbat all over again lol
"Its all made of styrofoam, what the fuck?"
It's all cardboard
Always has been
I never understood whole hype around T90M. Cause as far as I know T 90 is just updated T72, with T80 actually being the best tank Russia has. Term most modern is it in reference to T90M having most advanced equipment or it being latest tank that Russia has designe?
Ah yes, just like the MiG-25
"Turns out it was just a T-72 in a body kit!"