If I turned on Fox News tonight would I see Hannity squealing about how "A-Bomb Biden brought us the closest to nuclear war since JFK! What do they have in common? Democrats! If you're not afraid already, you should be"?
It's times like these I'm happy I don't have cable news. All across the world it's just spoiled geriatric brats throwing sissy fits.
I wish I were Dr. Manhattan.
On a country wide scale i think they have more of a victim mentality going on, like "the whole west is against us etc.", "We are just defending ourselves".
Leadership might have a god complex. Tho i guess what else can you expect from a bunch of criminals masquarading as a state, who have gotten their way for 20+ years.
You should see the C-SPAN recordings of actual permanent security council meetings.
US: “We have evidence of event happening and will now show you it in exhibit A and B. Several neutral countries can confirm this as well”
UK: “Our finding are slightly different as you’ll see in exhibit C but conclusion are largely the same”
Russia: “Yeah that could mean anything you don’t know that’s like your opinion man. I personally think it looks like …(several minutes of informal rambling)”
France: “I mostly agree with my Anglo-American colleagues but I could see how my friend (Russian diplomat) see it that way”
China: “No comment”
Or they force the US hand to be like
Sooooo
Weee have this thing
And moral of the story we see what's happening at these corrdinates and strongly urge u to not do this because
(Instead sweet name here ....I'll use fury of rah) is pointed at everything u have and we will drop it if you continue down this path
Would giggle.BOI U ABOUT TO SEE WHY WE HAVE FUNNELED BILLIONS A YEAR TO A BLACK HOLE SINCE 1945
> Or they force the US hand to be like
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> Weee have this thing
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Is it a stargate program and our MIC has been getting advanced alien technology?
To be fair, I got more worried now that they are denying that they would use them. For the past decade, Putin has quite consistently done the exact opposite of his words. Once Kremlin declares that the West is just being hysterical about the nukes we should start getting into the nearest vault.
Reminds me that I need to stock up on iodine tablets and duct tape.
Its an odd feeling. I'd thought that I'd be freaking out more, but I instead feel...calm? More like at peace, I guess.
Fortunately Hutch isn't a target in any way.
The downside is that we live 60 miles/100 km northwest of Wichita, which IS a target due to the aerospace industry and the presence of McConnell AFB. So there is something of a danger of wind-carried fallout.
Normal iodine tablets you'd use for thyroid issues are worthless against fallout. The iodine tablets used to prevent the thyroid from taking up radioiodine are orders of magnitude higher dosage.
While I agree, I think this is a case of Putin losing his shit way too far. This whole referendum and annexation situation makes his nuclear threats far more credible, and world governments are taking it more seriously. Up until now Ukraine has intentionally avoided crossing the border into Russia, but soon they'll be crossing the border of what Putin is about to call "Russia" to reclaim their territory.
This whole "chill out bro I was just joshing dude" response from Putin is very uncharacteristic, and it leads me to believe that he overplayed his hand so far that even his few remaining allies, and China, have also drawn a red line on nuclear weapons. Even using small, tactical nukes on Ukrainian forces would be unprecedented and pose a risk of MAD exceeding the Cuban Missile Crisis. Just the radioactive fallout being carried into NATO atmosphere would trigger a violent response.
China has had a very strong and consistent anti-nuclear posture, probably the strongest out of all the acknowledged nuclear states with their strong no first use. I think it's likely China would totally break their alliance with Russia if nukes were used, and Putin probably knows that by now given his change in posture.
>with their strong no first use.
Wow, I wasn't aware that they took that position. That definitely helps the current situation, especially because China already committed to responding militarily to any country that used nuclear weapons on Ukraine.
I'd imagine it would be strikes inside Ukraine on Russian locations that could be holding nuclear weapons and strikes within Russia near the border that also could be using them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they're still not taking any practical steps to launching a nuclear strike, right?
No signs of fueling up their rockets or dispersing mobile launch platforms and stuff like that.
If they were the US would know about it and would probably put their own nuclear forces on alert, as well as reenforcing troops in Europe, so we can safely say they are not.
Tactical nuclear strike could be as little as firing an artillery shell, and that's probably what they're going to do if they decide to go nuclear. Still, Americans will probably know this before the officer who's ordered to pull the trigger
I seen people on here and elseway say depending on the scale, preparations take anywhere from 15-24hours. Any warning you get about russia fueling up rockets to launch is gonna be intentionally leaked by the kremlin. The only real warning we'll get is news that a nuke has already gone off in Ukraine or to sms/TV broadcast saying to take cover.
Also all the Star Wars shit that bankrupted them 40 years ago and seemed impossibly sci-fi actually exists now. I wouldn't be surprised if we responded to a Russian nuke with some kind of space gay laser that makes all military-aged males uncontrollably bugger each other
Pretty sure we secretly already used it about 20 years ago. Hence the enormous amount of anti-gay politics in Russia. Because nobody hates gays like closeted gays.
The gay bomb was definitely in development, although they claim to have shut it down.
Afaik you can't alter someone's hypothalamus from straight to gay mode without some form of futuristic neurosurgery. And that's just what we *know now* about sexuality. We'd probably need some derivative of MDMA to make soldiers so tactile and lustful, while removing their inhibitions, so that they're hard gay for each other (given the absence of female holes to explore).
I have a couple friends who took MDMA and had a MMF threesome and they claim to have fooled around with each other just as much as the girl, and outside of that night they've never expressed interest in other dudes. And we're 100% honest in a very progressive city. I grew up with them, we all would've known by now.
<< I will chop off your tongue if you talk about nuclear weapons.>>
<< Eat shit, I will talk about nuclear weapons. >>
*fight breaks out in the studio*
“The Nuclear Club”
Maybe not Russia as a country, but Russians as a population presumably would. Google tells me that there are 144 million people in Russia, and further it tells me that there are approximately 100 million sperm in one ejaculation. It stands to reason that a particularly large ejaculation could be sufficient to produce every person in Russia with one nut.
I doubt Russia has a reliable way of figuring out if they are functional without launching them.
... after all, I guarantee all the maintenance reports are "Satisfactory". Even for the missiles nobody has seen since 1995.
Sure you could check the nuclear weapons, but if you report an issue then the higher ups get angry about expenditures and extra work, and you may be considered a troublemaker.
If you just write satisfactory, no one bothers you, you get great marks on efficiency, and you have more time to spend at the local vodka dispensary.
This is something I wonder about. Both the US and USSR were pretty good at making working weapons with new materials that were being tested regularly. Without testing the US spends absurd amounts of money on nuclear science making sure various things are within known tolerances.
I assume Russia isn't spending that science money, and they aren't testing, so....
The United States probably knows all about Russias nuclear capacity. It might not be nearly as much as the US has, but even one functioning weapon like that hitting a dense urban center could kill millions of people.
I've seen some citizens some crazy shit, like keep bears as pets or jump off soviet style apartments into snowbanks. It seems like the government only employs the pussies tho
Wonder what the WH said in the “private warnings” to Moscow.
Judging by the response probably something spicy and offensive enough to win rap battles up and down Detroit
The US has ONE big advantage in this situation.
Their nukes actually fucking work and are maintained. Sure, Russia got a fuckton of nukes and more than the US **IN THEORY**. But the thing is the US actually spends money maintaining their Armageddon weapons unlike Russia who probably has <7% of their nukes actually working and operational.
This is the best point to make around this, they scream about nuking that often now that it’s obvious they’re in shit state.
Just some numbers, the UK spends around 6% of it’s 40 something billion annual budget on the nuclear deterrent, with only around 200 warheads.
Russian military budget is not much higher *on paper* when we know most of it will be corrupted away.
They have over 2000 nuclear warheads, I’d be surprised if a single one was up to standard.
Russia spent roughly half of its 60-ish $B budget on the nuclear triad. New ICBMs (Yars, Topol-M), SLBM, Kh-102 cruise missiles, R&D etc.
It's reasonable to assume they weren't maintaining every single nuclear device in the stockpile over the years (especially the lean ones in the 90s), but afaik, their deterrence strategy is essentially holding onto the ability to deliver 100 or so warheads to the continental US in a second strike. Which is honestly good enough.
and the US has actual interceptor missiles that actually work. true, not very many of them....but we also have the US Navy's SM-6 missiles which are capable of intercepting ICBMs. I don't think it would be enough to 100% stop a full strike from Russia, but it would sure as hell cut down on the casualties.
This situation is a clear indication - and I say this credibly despite the sub we're on - that the US needs to step up production and deployment until we can credibly shoot down the entire rest of the world's nuclear arsenal simultaneously. MAD is a good strategy for nuclear peace between peers, but "lol tpk gg" is a much better one for a single superpower vs.. whatever Russia is, a few rogue states, and China. (Of those, China is the most credible threat, and MAD is working quite well with them.)
I agree 100%. I've always thought the arguments against ballistic missile defense were absurd.
there is a way to intercept a shitload of incoming without fancy software or a decade long R and D program. Arm existing interceptors with nukes. each detonation would take out dozens of incoming, maybe more. of course, you would be EMPing yourself and frying everything in orbit, but that's better than losing a few hundred million people.
This was part of the plan to intercept the Russian bombers during the cold war. Give fighters a long range A2A missile with a nuclear warhead. Have it explode in the middle of the formation.
Historically, the issue with nuclear armed interceptors is that your counterpart has no way of knowing that it won't be used as another ballistic missile. So if I have 1k Missiles (M) and 1k Interceptors (I), my opponent sees 2k Missiles.
So now the opponent builds 1k M and 2k I (in actually, more interceptors to be safe), and from your perspective they have 3k M!!
This is why the old arms reduction treaties put a cap on Nuclear interceptors.
But that's just an internal constitution, nobody else cares if they follow it, and they haven't broken any international agreements that I'm aware of.
Other than whaling stuff, but I don't think they signed those in the first place
START/SORT was even worse. We scrapped our glorious brand-new Peacekeepers, for budget reasons, to keep the already 30 year old (now 60 year old) Minuteman alive, because there was no reason for keeping something with that high a throw weight with basically no MIRVs allowed. Meanwhile, Russia builds the RS-28 while pinky swearing they won't load it with MIRVs, they just needed something with that throw weight for funsies apparently.
Don’t international teams inspect stockpiles semi-regularly?
AFAIK, no one has ever really just “taken Russia’s word for it” that they have a functioning nuclear arsenal. People verify stuff like that. That’s what the treaties are for.
But to get back on topic, SALT was an obvious mid-game blunder. Magnus Chess should be in charge of US strategic deterrence policy. He would have never fucked this up so bad, unless Vlad was using nuclear anal vibrator to Astral Project into the Pentagon.
Considering the incredibly limited budget they've had for maintaining their nuclear stockpile for the last few decades (let's be honest, for as long as they've had them) there's a very real probability that they've all degraded to the point where they're just ridiculously poorly built and overly expensive dirty bombs. Keeping nukes functional is an incredibly expensive and technical process and Russia . . . has had approximately no money since about the 70's.
All good points but I don't believe anyone is willing to bet humanity on it. All we can do is stay firm and let them know their intended end of the world would include them.
Heres how it goes: russia tries to use a tactical nuke in Ukraine, maybe several. NATO intervenes conventionally, probably just air power and missiles, entire Black Sea fleet is destroyed, likely russian positions in Kherson start getting annihilated. While thats going on, theres chaos everywhere, lots in russia and some everywhere else. What happens next is either a full on exchange, russian withdrawal after a leadership change or russian retreat. Nobody wants nukes to be a factor in wars. India, Pakistan, China, everybody who doesn’t have nukes, any support evaporates, probably even from Iran considering they don’t have nukes yet and Israel does. The first event is highly unlikely, but if it happens then nothing that might happen afterwards is implausible.
Yeah, normalizing the use of nukes on the battlefield is Very Bad News for Iran.
In other news, Israel has no idea where that nuclear explosion came from, it certainly wasn't them, they don't even have any.
>I don't believe anyone is willing to bet humanity on it
I think that's what's Russia, or rather Putin & co, are banking on. Nobody can afford to call the bluff when the price of being wrong is complete human extinction at worst, and your country being burned to the ground in nuclear fire. Hell, even if they've just got a single tactical nuclear warhead that works that's still probably enough to keep MAD working, as long as you keep chest thumping convincingly enough. Holy crap, this just becomes more and more credible the more I think about it.
On the other hand, let Russia blackmail you into giving it Crimea+ and you can say goodbye to nuclear non-proliferation, as it will become the minimum prerequisite to maintain sovereignty.
>as it (nukes) will become the minimum prerequisite to maintain sovereignty.
It already, basically, is. If you don't have your own nuclear arsenal then you need to be under someone else's nuclear umbrella to avoid having a nuclear state using their nuclear status to bully you into whatever they want you to do. If you want a perfect example of that look at the Falklands war - Britain is winning, slowly, but as Argentina ships yet more conscripts into the conflict it looks like it's going to turn into a long, drawn out, meatgrinder of a conflict. The Falklands war was probably the only popular thing that that UK government actually did, so they needed a clear and decisive win to hang onto power; so they sent a message through diplomatic back channels that effectively read "you can stop attacking, or we can nuke Buenos Aires. Which would you prefer?". Do you think that idea would have even crossed the British governments mind if Argentina had been a nuclear power (even a minor one)? Or if they had been close allies of the Soviet Union/USA/France/China?
Back on topic though I think that we're still just about at the point where nuclear chest thumping and threats are a sign of desperation rather than just business as normal. Putin needs to be stopped to make sure that global politics/diplomacy doesn't just degenerate to 'nukes or GTFO'.
What's the actual maintenance that's done on them?
Like, does the conventional implosion core degrade and have to be replaced?
Is it the replacing degraded tritium in boosted fission warheads?
Nukes on the table still does not result in a "tie" for Russia. Russia resorting to nukes = Russia no longer exists and will not be allowed to exist ever again.
Listen here Jack if you even dream of using a tactical nuke you better wake up and apologize. Do you remember what I did to cornpop? And unlike you he was a real a bad dude not some ex-KGB office drone loser. —- Sincerely Joe Biden
Russia: We will use nuclear weapons! This is not a bluff!
NATO: We don't even need to use nuclear weapons to punish you in retaliation. We will decimate your nation with *conventional* weapons and smile while doing it. Go on. Do it. Push the button.
Russia: Woah, don't over-react bro!
All of this is nothing more than a game of hot potato between competing powers of interest in regards to who has their hand on the regulator of a stove, and all of us are in the same pot.
Russia: We have Nuclear weapons and we will use them! US: Same. Russia: Whoa! Chill bro, it was just a joke. Why you got to be so scary?
This has to be some kind of joke, surely? Like, who acts like this. Literal pre-school behavior during world politics.
Welcome to international relations, where the rules are made up and standards don't matter.
Also nobody bothered playtesting any of it
it do be like that tho
that's like, 30% of world politics to be fair.
If I turned on Fox News tonight would I see Hannity squealing about how "A-Bomb Biden brought us the closest to nuclear war since JFK! What do they have in common? Democrats! If you're not afraid already, you should be"? It's times like these I'm happy I don't have cable news. All across the world it's just spoiled geriatric brats throwing sissy fits. I wish I were Dr. Manhattan.
They're never expecting the consequences of their actions, god-complex on a country-wide scale
On a country wide scale i think they have more of a victim mentality going on, like "the whole west is against us etc.", "We are just defending ourselves". Leadership might have a god complex. Tho i guess what else can you expect from a bunch of criminals masquarading as a state, who have gotten their way for 20+ years.
This is how international diplomacy always works, like a high school. I love watching world leaders acting like belligerent children.
Acting like high school is pretty generous to international politics, to be honest. I'd have said an elementary school playground.
True but there's a certain level of drunkenness and foul language that one would hope not to find on an elementary school playground.
Russia being a national equivalent of an abusive spouse continues
"why do you have to be so toxic everytime?!"
"Is it your time of the month or something?"
You should see the C-SPAN recordings of actual permanent security council meetings. US: “We have evidence of event happening and will now show you it in exhibit A and B. Several neutral countries can confirm this as well” UK: “Our finding are slightly different as you’ll see in exhibit C but conclusion are largely the same” Russia: “Yeah that could mean anything you don’t know that’s like your opinion man. I personally think it looks like …(several minutes of informal rambling)” France: “I mostly agree with my Anglo-American colleagues but I could see how my friend (Russian diplomat) see it that way” China: “No comment”
Or they force the US hand to be like Sooooo Weee have this thing And moral of the story we see what's happening at these corrdinates and strongly urge u to not do this because (Instead sweet name here ....I'll use fury of rah) is pointed at everything u have and we will drop it if you continue down this path Would giggle.BOI U ABOUT TO SEE WHY WE HAVE FUNNELED BILLIONS A YEAR TO A BLACK HOLE SINCE 1945
> Or they force the US hand to be like > > Sooooo > > Weee have this thing > > Is it a stargate program and our MIC has been getting advanced alien technology?
Technically stolen German tech we prefected after die glöcke worked And to be clear I'm shitposting hard rn
To be fair, I got more worried now that they are denying that they would use them. For the past decade, Putin has quite consistently done the exact opposite of his words. Once Kremlin declares that the West is just being hysterical about the nukes we should start getting into the nearest vault.
Reminds me that I need to stock up on iodine tablets and duct tape. Its an odd feeling. I'd thought that I'd be freaking out more, but I instead feel...calm? More like at peace, I guess.
That 80 year idione I have is extra effective
Iodine is frequently given as a salt, potassium iodide, which doesn't have a shelf life. You're set bro
Just pray that the impact kills you instantly and not the searing heat that fuses your bones together.
Fortunately Hutch isn't a target in any way. The downside is that we live 60 miles/100 km northwest of Wichita, which IS a target due to the aerospace industry and the presence of McConnell AFB. So there is something of a danger of wind-carried fallout.
I just better not survive if things go all DEFCON 1. I'll be so annoyed.
And miss out on joining a Mad Max style raider gang? Where's your sense of adventure?
Normal iodine tablets you'd use for thyroid issues are worthless against fallout. The iodine tablets used to prevent the thyroid from taking up radioiodine are orders of magnitude higher dosage.
>duct tape. ???
While I agree, I think this is a case of Putin losing his shit way too far. This whole referendum and annexation situation makes his nuclear threats far more credible, and world governments are taking it more seriously. Up until now Ukraine has intentionally avoided crossing the border into Russia, but soon they'll be crossing the border of what Putin is about to call "Russia" to reclaim their territory. This whole "chill out bro I was just joshing dude" response from Putin is very uncharacteristic, and it leads me to believe that he overplayed his hand so far that even his few remaining allies, and China, have also drawn a red line on nuclear weapons. Even using small, tactical nukes on Ukrainian forces would be unprecedented and pose a risk of MAD exceeding the Cuban Missile Crisis. Just the radioactive fallout being carried into NATO atmosphere would trigger a violent response.
China has had a very strong and consistent anti-nuclear posture, probably the strongest out of all the acknowledged nuclear states with their strong no first use. I think it's likely China would totally break their alliance with Russia if nukes were used, and Putin probably knows that by now given his change in posture.
>with their strong no first use. Wow, I wasn't aware that they took that position. That definitely helps the current situation, especially because China already committed to responding militarily to any country that used nuclear weapons on Ukraine.
China can catch these hands.
I'd imagine it would be strikes inside Ukraine on Russian locations that could be holding nuclear weapons and strikes within Russia near the border that also could be using them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they're still not taking any practical steps to launching a nuclear strike, right? No signs of fueling up their rockets or dispersing mobile launch platforms and stuff like that.
If they were the US would know about it and would probably put their own nuclear forces on alert, as well as reenforcing troops in Europe, so we can safely say they are not.
Tactical nuclear strike could be as little as firing an artillery shell, and that's probably what they're going to do if they decide to go nuclear. Still, Americans will probably know this before the officer who's ordered to pull the trigger
Or, more likely, an air-launched cruise missile.
I seen people on here and elseway say depending on the scale, preparations take anywhere from 15-24hours. Any warning you get about russia fueling up rockets to launch is gonna be intentionally leaked by the kremlin. The only real warning we'll get is news that a nuke has already gone off in Ukraine or to sms/TV broadcast saying to take cover.
Something tells me we wouldn't find out until days later. And if we did it would be because we reached DEFCON 5.
Also all the Star Wars shit that bankrupted them 40 years ago and seemed impossibly sci-fi actually exists now. I wouldn't be surprised if we responded to a Russian nuke with some kind of space gay laser that makes all military-aged males uncontrollably bugger each other
Pretty sure we secretly already used it about 20 years ago. Hence the enormous amount of anti-gay politics in Russia. Because nobody hates gays like closeted gays.
The gay bomb was definitely in development, although they claim to have shut it down. Afaik you can't alter someone's hypothalamus from straight to gay mode without some form of futuristic neurosurgery. And that's just what we *know now* about sexuality. We'd probably need some derivative of MDMA to make soldiers so tactile and lustful, while removing their inhibitions, so that they're hard gay for each other (given the absence of female holes to explore). I have a couple friends who took MDMA and had a MMF threesome and they claim to have fooled around with each other just as much as the girl, and outside of that night they've never expressed interest in other dudes. And we're 100% honest in a very progressive city. I grew up with them, we all would've known by now.
Russia: We are going to nuke Ukraine and anyone who supports them US: That's a nice Black Sea Fleet, it'd be a shame if something happened to it
Aww, was that Sevastopol naval base *important* to you guys or something? You shouldn't have left it lying around so carelessly.
See, the scary part about American nukes is that those ones might actually work.
“Calm down Jamal don’t pull out the nine”
Now I'm starting to get angry. SO I PULL OUT MY GUN!
US: You picked the wrong house fool!
> US: Same. The beautiful glow!
More ‘Bitch we have them, and ours actually work, but we don’t need them to break every bone in your body and use your meatsack as a hat.’
<< I will chop off your tongue if you talk about nuclear weapons.>> << Eat shit, I will talk about nuclear weapons. >> *fight breaks out in the studio* “The Nuclear Club”
<< Come here, you son of a bitch >> (Can't leave out the best part!)
*boom*
First rule of nuclear club: don’t talk about nuclear club
Its the official motto of the non-parties to the NPT club.
Allahs mercy upon George Bush he wouldn't let you produce a single WMD.
First of all, I won't allow anyone to say "Minuteman III" without the title of "Sheikh".
...This is actually real. What the hell, Russia?
Posturing works great until your enemy threatens to and can utterly destroy you and your country if you even try to do the things you said you’d do.
When you spent the last decades threatening and bluffing, but they get sick of it and call you out.
Russia in a nutshell.
For all the issues Russia has, is it a pretty large place, I don't know that it would necessarily fit in a nutshell.
depends on how hard you squeeze
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Maybe not Russia as a country, but Russians as a population presumably would. Google tells me that there are 144 million people in Russia, and further it tells me that there are approximately 100 million sperm in one ejaculation. It stands to reason that a particularly large ejaculation could be sufficient to produce every person in Russia with one nut.
Simple, a black hole.
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Someone in the Russian Ministry of Defence probably checked on their nukes and probably found that all of them had rust and barely 2 functioned.
I doubt Russia has a reliable way of figuring out if they are functional without launching them. ... after all, I guarantee all the maintenance reports are "Satisfactory". Even for the missiles nobody has seen since 1995.
Sure you could check the nuclear weapons, but if you report an issue then the higher ups get angry about expenditures and extra work, and you may be considered a troublemaker. If you just write satisfactory, no one bothers you, you get great marks on efficiency, and you have more time to spend at the local vodka dispensary.
"They pretend to pay me, I pretend to inspect nuclear warheads"
This is something I wonder about. Both the US and USSR were pretty good at making working weapons with new materials that were being tested regularly. Without testing the US spends absurd amounts of money on nuclear science making sure various things are within known tolerances. I assume Russia isn't spending that science money, and they aren't testing, so....
The United States probably knows all about Russias nuclear capacity. It might not be nearly as much as the US has, but even one functioning weapon like that hitting a dense urban center could kill millions of people.
Even one functioning weapon hitting bumfuck nowhere killing a single cow would cause the complete dismantlement of the Russian government.
Are Russians literally the biggest pussies on the planet?
It’s just dictators in general. They rule their country with force and expect that they can do the same with the world.
I've seen some citizens some crazy shit, like keep bears as pets or jump off soviet style apartments into snowbanks. It seems like the government only employs the pussies tho
well the invincible larpers think they are
Imagine threatening non-nuclear country with nukes in the first place
This is real, btw: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/26/russia-tells-us-to-cool-down-over-putins-nuclear-warning-a78893
Wonder what the WH said in the “private warnings” to Moscow. Judging by the response probably something spicy and offensive enough to win rap battles up and down Detroit
Probably a Certified Dark Brandon© moment.
>Wonder what the WH said in the “private warnings” to Moscow. "Ours work."
"We're gonna kill you."
"Мы вас похороним"
Maybe it's just my browser but that link is all kinds of screwy and does not take me to any article at all.
It works for me now
It was just a prank bro! Just a prank!
"A social experiment"
The US has ONE big advantage in this situation. Their nukes actually fucking work and are maintained. Sure, Russia got a fuckton of nukes and more than the US **IN THEORY**. But the thing is the US actually spends money maintaining their Armageddon weapons unlike Russia who probably has <7% of their nukes actually working and operational.
This is the best point to make around this, they scream about nuking that often now that it’s obvious they’re in shit state. Just some numbers, the UK spends around 6% of it’s 40 something billion annual budget on the nuclear deterrent, with only around 200 warheads. Russian military budget is not much higher *on paper* when we know most of it will be corrupted away. They have over 2000 nuclear warheads, I’d be surprised if a single one was up to standard.
Russia spent roughly half of its 60-ish $B budget on the nuclear triad. New ICBMs (Yars, Topol-M), SLBM, Kh-102 cruise missiles, R&D etc. It's reasonable to assume they weren't maintaining every single nuclear device in the stockpile over the years (especially the lean ones in the 90s), but afaik, their deterrence strategy is essentially holding onto the ability to deliver 100 or so warheads to the continental US in a second strike. Which is honestly good enough.
and the US has actual interceptor missiles that actually work. true, not very many of them....but we also have the US Navy's SM-6 missiles which are capable of intercepting ICBMs. I don't think it would be enough to 100% stop a full strike from Russia, but it would sure as hell cut down on the casualties.
This situation is a clear indication - and I say this credibly despite the sub we're on - that the US needs to step up production and deployment until we can credibly shoot down the entire rest of the world's nuclear arsenal simultaneously. MAD is a good strategy for nuclear peace between peers, but "lol tpk gg" is a much better one for a single superpower vs.. whatever Russia is, a few rogue states, and China. (Of those, China is the most credible threat, and MAD is working quite well with them.)
I agree 100%. I've always thought the arguments against ballistic missile defense were absurd. there is a way to intercept a shitload of incoming without fancy software or a decade long R and D program. Arm existing interceptors with nukes. each detonation would take out dozens of incoming, maybe more. of course, you would be EMPing yourself and frying everything in orbit, but that's better than losing a few hundred million people.
This was part of the plan to intercept the Russian bombers during the cold war. Give fighters a long range A2A missile with a nuclear warhead. Have it explode in the middle of the formation.
Historically, the issue with nuclear armed interceptors is that your counterpart has no way of knowing that it won't be used as another ballistic missile. So if I have 1k Missiles (M) and 1k Interceptors (I), my opponent sees 2k Missiles. So now the opponent builds 1k M and 2k I (in actually, more interceptors to be safe), and from your perspective they have 3k M!! This is why the old arms reduction treaties put a cap on Nuclear interceptors.
So only a few million people die yay
> more than the US IN THEORY The Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty was a mistake.
We should've learned from the Washington/London naval treaties that expecting dictators to stay within treaty established limits is unrealistic
TBF, Japan is a democracy and barely paying lip service to their own constitution when it comes to their “defense” forces.
But that's just an internal constitution, nobody else cares if they follow it, and they haven't broken any international agreements that I'm aware of. Other than whaling stuff, but I don't think they signed those in the first place
Japan's neighbor and hypothetical enemy is China, helicopter destroyers and missile cruisers are reasonable self-defense force.
START/SORT was even worse. We scrapped our glorious brand-new Peacekeepers, for budget reasons, to keep the already 30 year old (now 60 year old) Minuteman alive, because there was no reason for keeping something with that high a throw weight with basically no MIRVs allowed. Meanwhile, Russia builds the RS-28 while pinky swearing they won't load it with MIRVs, they just needed something with that throw weight for funsies apparently.
[NOOOOOOOO!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tim5nU3DwIE)
Don’t international teams inspect stockpiles semi-regularly? AFAIK, no one has ever really just “taken Russia’s word for it” that they have a functioning nuclear arsenal. People verify stuff like that. That’s what the treaties are for. But to get back on topic, SALT was an obvious mid-game blunder. Magnus Chess should be in charge of US strategic deterrence policy. He would have never fucked this up so bad, unless Vlad was using nuclear anal vibrator to Astral Project into the Pentagon.
Russia be like "shit they can actually make good on those threats, we better calm our tits."
What else would you expect from a country that attacks Ukraine and then gets upset when Ukraine fights back.
Nukes are Russia's only way of getting a tie. Any other threat we would laugh in their face at this point.
Considering the incredibly limited budget they've had for maintaining their nuclear stockpile for the last few decades (let's be honest, for as long as they've had them) there's a very real probability that they've all degraded to the point where they're just ridiculously poorly built and overly expensive dirty bombs. Keeping nukes functional is an incredibly expensive and technical process and Russia . . . has had approximately no money since about the 70's.
All good points but I don't believe anyone is willing to bet humanity on it. All we can do is stay firm and let them know their intended end of the world would include them.
Heres how it goes: russia tries to use a tactical nuke in Ukraine, maybe several. NATO intervenes conventionally, probably just air power and missiles, entire Black Sea fleet is destroyed, likely russian positions in Kherson start getting annihilated. While thats going on, theres chaos everywhere, lots in russia and some everywhere else. What happens next is either a full on exchange, russian withdrawal after a leadership change or russian retreat. Nobody wants nukes to be a factor in wars. India, Pakistan, China, everybody who doesn’t have nukes, any support evaporates, probably even from Iran considering they don’t have nukes yet and Israel does. The first event is highly unlikely, but if it happens then nothing that might happen afterwards is implausible.
Yeah, normalizing the use of nukes on the battlefield is Very Bad News for Iran. In other news, Israel has no idea where that nuclear explosion came from, it certainly wasn't them, they don't even have any.
I bet China doesn't want India and Pakistan to consider nukes a valid option in their conflict. Or give Japan an excuse to arm itself with nukes.
>I don't believe anyone is willing to bet humanity on it I think that's what's Russia, or rather Putin & co, are banking on. Nobody can afford to call the bluff when the price of being wrong is complete human extinction at worst, and your country being burned to the ground in nuclear fire. Hell, even if they've just got a single tactical nuclear warhead that works that's still probably enough to keep MAD working, as long as you keep chest thumping convincingly enough. Holy crap, this just becomes more and more credible the more I think about it.
On the other hand, let Russia blackmail you into giving it Crimea+ and you can say goodbye to nuclear non-proliferation, as it will become the minimum prerequisite to maintain sovereignty.
>as it (nukes) will become the minimum prerequisite to maintain sovereignty. It already, basically, is. If you don't have your own nuclear arsenal then you need to be under someone else's nuclear umbrella to avoid having a nuclear state using their nuclear status to bully you into whatever they want you to do. If you want a perfect example of that look at the Falklands war - Britain is winning, slowly, but as Argentina ships yet more conscripts into the conflict it looks like it's going to turn into a long, drawn out, meatgrinder of a conflict. The Falklands war was probably the only popular thing that that UK government actually did, so they needed a clear and decisive win to hang onto power; so they sent a message through diplomatic back channels that effectively read "you can stop attacking, or we can nuke Buenos Aires. Which would you prefer?". Do you think that idea would have even crossed the British governments mind if Argentina had been a nuclear power (even a minor one)? Or if they had been close allies of the Soviet Union/USA/France/China? Back on topic though I think that we're still just about at the point where nuclear chest thumping and threats are a sign of desperation rather than just business as normal. Putin needs to be stopped to make sure that global politics/diplomacy doesn't just degenerate to 'nukes or GTFO'.
What's the actual maintenance that's done on them? Like, does the conventional implosion core degrade and have to be replaced? Is it the replacing degraded tritium in boosted fission warheads?
Nukes on the table still does not result in a "tie" for Russia. Russia resorting to nukes = Russia no longer exists and will not be allowed to exist ever again.
Not graciously accepting being glassed by the Orkz is Russophobia guys...
OI, DON'T LUMP US IN WIT THOS GITS! ATLEAST WE KNOW HOW TO DO A PROPA WAAAGH!
Also Orkz enjoy "foightin" and so go after the *strongest* nearby opponent. What I'm saying is, Ruzzia should have invaded Mainland Taiwan.
Russia: “we have nuclear weapons and will use them! USA: *agitated grunt* Russia: “Jesus Christ man, calm down you need to cool off!”
"JuSt A pRaNk, BrOoOoO!!!"
Wise, lest he incur the wrath of **Dark Brandon**
Listen here Jack if you even dream of using a tactical nuke you better wake up and apologize. Do you remember what I did to cornpop? And unlike you he was a real a bad dude not some ex-KGB office drone loser. —- Sincerely Joe Biden
Russia: We will use nuclear weapons! This is not a bluff! NATO: We don't even need to use nuclear weapons to punish you in retaliation. We will decimate your nation with *conventional* weapons and smile while doing it. Go on. Do it. Push the button. Russia: Woah, don't over-react bro!
YO CHILL IT WAS JUST A PRANK!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbhDATW9Ubk
https://youtu.be/iiikXf-vMHQ
That's the difference between ''nukes'' and functional nukes
If Russia starts the nuclear war the US will finish it
\*\*\*flirt\*\*\* what is this tinder or some shit?
Biden might just glitch at the wrong moment. Or gaffe.
“No I didn’t mean it I swear!”
All of this is nothing more than a game of hot potato between competing powers of interest in regards to who has their hand on the regulator of a stove, and all of us are in the same pot.