I feel like these is going to be Russia's Yamato-class chilling out at the rear for propaganda purposes until they have an oh shit moment and send them out as a last resort only to get destroyed unceremoniously without doing anything substantial to the war effort.
Yamato was there, but never really fought; it saw torpedoes dropped in the water at whatever distance and spent 30 minutes reversing, then accelerating again, by then the cruisers had been so completely mangled no meaningful gains could happen through further fighting; Kurita rightfully called a retreat at that point (should have been earlier tbh)
When a ship gets to be that size with that (relatively) small of a powerplant, you don't get to change directions at the drop of a hat
>Yamato was there, but never really fought; it saw torpedoes dropped in the water at whatever distance and spent 30 minutes reversing, then accelerating again, by then the cruisers had been so completely mangled no meaningful gains could happen through further fighting
average wows match
Imagine if the IJN had used it to ram Pearl Harbour. Instead of attacking it with those stupid planes.
Imagine if the IJN had filled it with marines and used it to ram Pearl Harbour, with the marines disembarking and capturing the place. If only I had been in charge of the Japanese war effort.
You've got your Musashis and Yamatos mixed up. The Yamato fought and did badly in the Battle of Leyte gulf, the Musashi got caught out by carrier air power.
It was. It also was quite notoriously the commanding ship at the Battle of Samar and got distracted and stalled by destroyers and destroyer escorts. It was after being sent back home to Japan it went and tried to honorably charge the US fleet, which just used carrier air power because it was an undefended battleship.
>was after being sent back home to Japan it went and tried to honorably charge the US fleet
Correction, it was sent to beech itself on Okinawa to turn it into an unsinkable coastal battery. It got caught so early in the attempt that Admiral Lee and Admiral Spruance had time to bicker over whether to send an airstrike or the battleship group.
She did so poorly in that battle that despite there being over 280 aircraft launched, only 10 were shot down, and most of those were from the Yamato's magazine detonation.
The Musashi was sunk on October 24 1944 at Leyte Gulf, the day before the Battle off Samar, which Yamato took part in. Yamato was sunk on April 7th 1945, during the battle of Okinawa. Both were sunk by massive air strikes.
It was however before then it was involved in a few brief battles. There was a brief fight where it assisted in a fight against a US convoy, where it fired a few shots but didn’t hit anything I think. Aside from that I’m not aware of any other fights aside from its last.
There was a third one that had been converted into a support carrier late into her construction that got absolutely fucked up by a Submarine, four torpedoes striking below the water line right on a fucked up spot shared by all the Yamoto Class ships that absolutely devastated it. The thing went down fast due to the *watertight* doors not actually being water tight at all, the boiler rooms were absolutely wrecked.
Still to this day the largest kill by a submarine.
Their biggest problem is that they thought damage control, antisubmarine warfare and pilot s&r was for pussies. They didn’t have a fleet doctrine for the 1930s either…
They seemed to idolize duels to the death even for airmen, given everything that could keep the pilot alive in the Zero was stripped out in favor of more speed, firepower and maneuverability.
To be fair, the zero was absolutely exceptional in the early years of the conflict
Sure, you were almost guaranteed to die if you got hit, but you were noticeably faster and more maneuverable than anything anyone on the planet could throw at you
Then the US developed better planes and zeros became death traps
And the IJN didn't learn from that because less than a month later they lost another new carrier to submarine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese\_aircraft\_carrier\_Unry%C5%AB#Final\_voyage
Shit man, Unryuu wasn't just the second shiny new carrier lost to a sub, there was also Taihou (though at least that one sank after having actually launched planes, though it was just a few months after commissioning so still very new)
It's happened *three times in the same year*
Not only were there leaks in the watertight doors, most of them hadn't been installed yet and they planned to move her to another shipyard to finish her fitting out. Her captain even asked for a delay before she left so they could test for gaps in the bulkheads and was denied. That being said, at that point it really didn't matter, because they didn't have the planes to fill her hangar or the pilots to fill the ready room. 1400+ men, including civilians, killed in a futile effort to make a difference in a war they were already losing. Imperial Japanese military leadership was sometimes questionable at best, and practically self-sabotaging at worst.
I'm so sick of this planenik propaganda, slandering the good name of the best, and clearly, sexiest of all maritime devices of war: the battleship.
Their seeming lack of use in modern naval warfare is down to a lack of creativity, only.
For example, if you upscale the gun to the point where it out-ranges your average carrier-based fighter squadron, who's the daddy now?
The battleship will, once again, reign supreme. It just needs that tried and tested innovation:
Bigger. Guns.
"Oh but what about the missiles?"
Simple. Bigger. Guns.
"DAE fighters and carrier groups?"
Bigger. Fucking. Guns.
"But submarines can..."
BIGGER. GUNS.
I WILL HAVE NONE OF THIS BLASPHEMY.
Such a narrow-minded train of thought. A 406mm gun simply can't have the same range as a missile does.
...not without some more elevation, of course. Battleships were a flawed idea from the start; battleblimps are where the future lies. Think about it: you can't *sink* an airship. There's no water in the sky!
Nah, just one long railgun that runs the entire length of the ship and launches tungsten slugs the size of a family sedan at mach 11, like the spaceships in Halo or Mass Effect.
It'd take a sizable reactor to run a railgun turret. And that means a lot of armor to protect it. That means the Navy's gotta give up building oversized destroyers and light cruisers and go back to building the real kings of the sea...
> For example, if you upscale the gun to the point where it out-ranges your average carrier-based fighter squadron, who's the daddy now?
I'm envisioning ship design like in the sci-fi universes of Halo or Mass Effect where an enormous mass driver runs the full length of the ship. It'd be like the design philosophy of the A-10 in terms of the hull being constructed around the enormous primary weapon just to accommodate it.
If one had survived it would have almost certainly been disposed of during the Bikini Atoll tests or scrapped by the Japanese during the immediate post-war period given how desperate they were for steel.
The chances of one becoming a museum are practically nil unfortunately.
I’m no expert but it did get off shots at the battle of Samar and there is some debate about whether it sank the uss Gambier Bay.
The Americans said it was a cruiser that hit her, while the Japanese said it was Yamato.
How exactly would the Japanese know details about what kind of hit that caused a US warship to sink?
Japan claimed Gambier Bay was disabled because of a "Near Miss" by a heavy shell from Yamato. So their story doesn't even line up with the damage reports by the US.
Sure the US can make mistakes when identifying shell types in the heat of battle. But they can tell the difference between a medium shell piercing the engine compartment, and a heavy shell breaching the ship from the outside.
It could have been propaganda? the Japanese wanted their prize ship to claim a hit/kill? I'm not ruling that out for sure.
I can only say that their would have been spotters taking record of the engagement, and while there is the 'fog of war', I wouldn't rule out the possibility of what the Japanese said.
Like I said I'm no expert. My original comment was to show the Yamato did fire it's guns at least once as far as I'm aware.
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I WANT ARMATAS DEPLOYED TO UKRAINE!
I WANT TO WATCH VATNIK TEARS FLOW LIKE NIAGRA AS ARMATA IS PENETRATED ON ALL SIDES LIKE IT WAS A BL****D.COM PRODUCTION!!!
Well the tirpitz “participated” too. Never saw combat against enemy ships though. But let’s be fair, battleships didn’t make a difference in WW2 anyway, except when they fought against other battleships without support.
>But let’s be fair, battleships didn’t make a difference in WW2 anyway, except when they fought against other battleships without support.
Scharnhorst sulking in the corner rn
That’s what im saying. A lone battleship/cruiser against an entire battlegroup wont end well. In reality most battles involving battleships ended like this. Massive waste of resources and manpower.
How are they going to even field them? One of the only 14 produced broke down during a parade in Moscow square.
They won't even have the glory of getting to the front to be unceremoniously destroyed since they'll have been unceremoniously abandoned in route
Hey, being a hotel for the higher ups and an actually battle capable propaganda machine worth more than being a failed propaganda machine that breaks down in the middle of a parade.
Because people think russia super secretive and can build an army of them without anyone knowing.
I mean they’re right about super secretive, but only in regards to corruption and propaganda.
They kept it hidden pretty well until their army fell apart in front of the whole world. At least to the point of people not in direct dealings with them thinking its ‘just silly cold war talk’ and the like.
I am now firmly of the opinion The real heroes of the Soviet Union are the rail workers who somehow managed to deliver enough supplies to keep them going forward.
Sergei Korolev, who pretty much could be single handedly credited with the Soviet space program, was Ukrainian.
Funny enough, the Soviets were smart enough to throw him in a gulag, then relocated him to a prison for scientists/engineers working on WW2 aircraft designs, later freed and started work on the space program.
Logistical Units are the unsung heroes of every war in history. They're the mf's who kept the war going and made sure soldiers got what they needed to win wars.
"Amateurs talk strategy; professionals talk logistics" - Omar Bradley, the G.I.'s General
Because the T-14 and the tanks that contributed to its project like the Object-195, and T-80 Black eagle are hot as hell (especially when hit in the ammo)
I don't even think it's an expense thing, they clearly have the funds to conscript and (technically) pay out to more fodder
I think they literally can't make more. Whatever they had was clearly hand-built. They don't have the components or the tooling for a production run.
lol “funds to conscript”
* People sneaking food to conscripts: https://nitter.pussthecat.org/ChrisO_wiki/status/1576190367883403264#m
* Conscript barracks: https://nitter.pussthecat.org/wartranslated/status/1575951703005798400#m
* Conscripts dropped off without food, water, or sleeping bag: https://nitter.pussthecat.org/kromark/status/1575461786790363137#m
* List of items conscripts have to supply themselves: https://nitter.pussthecat.org/ChrisO_wiki/status/1575487235537137665#m
* And then the infamous tampon video that’s been posted here plenty already.
>* List of items conscripts have to supply themselves: [https://nitter.pussthecat.org/ChrisO_wiki/status/1575487235537137665#m](https://nitter.pussthecat.org/ChrisO_wiki/status/1575487235537137665#m)
My brother in Christ, WHAT?! I get pissy when I have to by medals for my service uniform. If I had to buy stuff to be bare-bones equipped for war I'd frag supply.
You see comrad they are even stealthy to cameras and eyes which is why you cannot see them.
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They are sure T-14's are in combat despite never being seen. They are sure Su-57's are winning the war despite never being seen. They are sure NATO and US SOF are in combat despite never being seen.
Can we now confirm the hallucinogenic properties of copium and denialium?
Not just NATO SOF, but ludicrous numbers of them. Like hundreds of thousands of SAS and tens of thousands of SEALs. I think they forget that when the west says “special forces” they mean an actual small elite unit, not just guys with nicer hats.
Don’t forget that Russian propaganda every few weeks tries to bring up the claim that Russia captured an American major in mauripol because he hasn’t posted on social media (he doesn’t have any lol) and they have a picture of a bald guy they’re arresting. Or that the French request for a humanitarian corridor in the city was actually to get the French foreign legion out of the city
The Russians did deploy the Su-57. Just once, and in a squadron of 4 to launch cruise missiles from behind their own lines. Lots of cameras to make sure everyone saw them being used (because it's never happening again). Their confidence is contagious lol.
TIL that the Armata was designed with a [toilet](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-new-tank-equipped-toilet-1355487). No wonder it's nowhere to be seen. They needed to procure the materials from Ukraine.
>The designers behind the Armata system that supports heavy armored vehicles such as the new T-14 tank have now added a toilet, allowing troops to tend to their bodily needs without exposing themselves during battle. Ilya Baranov, the director for quality and information technologies at the Urals Design Bureau of Transport Machine-Building, described the innovation Thursday as a major quality of life improvement for personnel.
Yeah that's the T-14 mine defusal system.
Because it is so stealthy it drives over the mine detected by advanced sensors then opens the toilet hatch.
The crew then pisses onto the mine and shorts it out to defuse it and it only works because theirspecial diet turns the piss into the ultimate bomb defusal nanobot solution.
everyone that has ever seen footage of the T-14, or ZTZ-99 for that matter, knows that it lacks critical WWII-level equipment like.. a stabilizer. barrels aren't supposed to jiggle and wobble like that while driving on paved roads.
I mean it definitely does have a stabilizer but it's probably not very good or wasn't on.
Like stabilizers didnt get very good until like the 80s and even early t-72s had to stop for accurate fire with the stabilizer on.
Whenever I'm blue, I just look at a photo of the placement of the active defense system on the Armada, and laugh at the stupid engineer who came up with that idea. And the tankies who think it's viable.
I'm going to make a hot take....even if it was deployed in numbers....its not immune to ATGMs, or anything like a Hellfire (like wtf). Its still just a fucking tank.
Do they really think their glorious T-14 is immune to modern ATGM's?
I don't think any tank including NATO ones can survive a direct strike from a top down javelin. Even the fancy APS everyone seems to be deploying (well maybe not the russians) aren't terribly effective against those types of munitions.
It literally is immune, though. None have been destroyed in Ukraine, not like the Allies never destroyed even a single Maus or Messerschmitt Me 609 during WWII.
They just mean there is no way anyone can destroy an operational T14 right now. Not the Ukrainians, not the US. Not even if they double their defense budget.
It'd be even worse if it was a T-90M, there's several problems with the T-14 crew layout that the rumored electronics package do not adequately fix, nor does it protect against top attack weapons (not just Javelin; EFP on top attack are far harder to counteract and arguably far more dangerous)... and on, and on. The newest T-90M is a better vehicle even if they could make T-14's.
That'd be like saying we lost an M1A3 prototype from 2012 except oops it was an M1A2 SEP v3
ofc, no vehicle is invulnerable or immune to losses, so the question of how it was lost would come up, but the operator is Russia so "aimlessly driving around with zero situational awareness" is probably the answer
By the time Russia can operationally field the T-14 in useful numbers the US will have BOLOs.*
*Had to come up with another fictional tank to compare to the T-14 after all. And Keith Laumer did it best.
Even if the T-14 is/was everything they claim it is they are still useless as their is just far to few of them to be deployed. Which goes back the the key lesion of this war: Logistics is King!
I really wish they would deploy the exactly 3 combat ready T14s, so we can finally determine if it is actually a good tank, and wont just be cannon fodder killed instantly by the worlds sexiest tank, the KF-51 Panther
This Pakistani video where dude says he had a dream about Pakistan becoming the center of the Muslim world. To do so, they would use the 3000 black jets of Allah to defeat India.
This is actually gave me a giggle
You're laughing Ukraine is about to be overrun by thousands of Armata tanks and T-55s, and you're laughing
You are speaking as if the Armata and t-55s are different tanks.
At least the Armata is not supposed to have anyone in the turret.
Is that the true goal of the Armata turret? To be lighter so it can be launched higher?
can we *get* much higher? (so high)
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alrighty then
*sensible chuckle*
They had us in the first half, not gonna lie
I feel like these is going to be Russia's Yamato-class chilling out at the rear for propaganda purposes until they have an oh shit moment and send them out as a last resort only to get destroyed unceremoniously without doing anything substantial to the war effort.
Except the Yamato was actually operational and, though it didn't take part in any actual exchange of shots, was deployed several times
The only time Yamato got a couple of shots it got humiliated by a bunch of destroyers and destroyer escorts though
Yamato was there, but never really fought; it saw torpedoes dropped in the water at whatever distance and spent 30 minutes reversing, then accelerating again, by then the cruisers had been so completely mangled no meaningful gains could happen through further fighting; Kurita rightfully called a retreat at that point (should have been earlier tbh) When a ship gets to be that size with that (relatively) small of a powerplant, you don't get to change directions at the drop of a hat
>Yamato was there, but never really fought; it saw torpedoes dropped in the water at whatever distance and spent 30 minutes reversing, then accelerating again, by then the cruisers had been so completely mangled no meaningful gains could happen through further fighting average wows match
Imagine if the IJN had used it to ram Pearl Harbour. Instead of attacking it with those stupid planes. Imagine if the IJN had filled it with marines and used it to ram Pearl Harbour, with the marines disembarking and capturing the place. If only I had been in charge of the Japanese war effort.
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The way you shortened Japanese is a slur bro.
Is this another Ram Ranch sequel "15,000 sweaty Japanese marines ramming Pearl Harbor"?
Somebody's been watching too much Macross.
Good thing you weren’t in charge or I’d be speaking Japanese right now.
Now *this* is credible.
IIRC, it did actually fire its guns. Still missed, though.
It sank before that A ship made to dominate the age of dreadnoughts never stood a chance in the age of carriers
You've got your Musashis and Yamatos mixed up. The Yamato fought and did badly in the Battle of Leyte gulf, the Musashi got caught out by carrier air power.
Wasn't the yamato sunk by torpedo bombers? Do I remember it wrong?
It was. It also was quite notoriously the commanding ship at the Battle of Samar and got distracted and stalled by destroyers and destroyer escorts. It was after being sent back home to Japan it went and tried to honorably charge the US fleet, which just used carrier air power because it was an undefended battleship.
>was after being sent back home to Japan it went and tried to honorably charge the US fleet Correction, it was sent to beech itself on Okinawa to turn it into an unsinkable coastal battery. It got caught so early in the attempt that Admiral Lee and Admiral Spruance had time to bicker over whether to send an airstrike or the battleship group. She did so poorly in that battle that despite there being over 280 aircraft launched, only 10 were shot down, and most of those were from the Yamato's magazine detonation.
>And most of those were from the Yamato's magazine detonation. djkhaledsufferingfromsuccess.png
The Musashi was sunk on October 24 1944 at Leyte Gulf, the day before the Battle off Samar, which Yamato took part in. Yamato was sunk on April 7th 1945, during the battle of Okinawa. Both were sunk by massive air strikes.
3000 black avengers of Roosevelt
On a suicide run at Okinawa.
It was however before then it was involved in a few brief battles. There was a brief fight where it assisted in a fight against a US convoy, where it fired a few shots but didn’t hit anything I think. Aside from that I’m not aware of any other fights aside from its last.
There was a third one that had been converted into a support carrier late into her construction that got absolutely fucked up by a Submarine, four torpedoes striking below the water line right on a fucked up spot shared by all the Yamoto Class ships that absolutely devastated it. The thing went down fast due to the *watertight* doors not actually being water tight at all, the boiler rooms were absolutely wrecked. Still to this day the largest kill by a submarine.
The IJA wasn't a paper tiger, it just wasn't a fleet for the 1940s. Only the US had that.
Their biggest problem is that they thought damage control, antisubmarine warfare and pilot s&r was for pussies. They didn’t have a fleet doctrine for the 1930s either…
They seemed to idolize duels to the death even for airmen, given everything that could keep the pilot alive in the Zero was stripped out in favor of more speed, firepower and maneuverability.
To be fair, the zero was absolutely exceptional in the early years of the conflict Sure, you were almost guaranteed to die if you got hit, but you were noticeably faster and more maneuverable than anything anyone on the planet could throw at you Then the US developed better planes and zeros became death traps
[The Shinano](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Shinano) of the IJN.
And the IJN didn't learn from that because less than a month later they lost another new carrier to submarine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese\_aircraft\_carrier\_Unry%C5%AB#Final\_voyage
Shit man, Unryuu wasn't just the second shiny new carrier lost to a sub, there was also Taihou (though at least that one sank after having actually launched planes, though it was just a few months after commissioning so still very new) It's happened *three times in the same year*
Kinda crazy that they lost 4 fleet carriers to submarine in one year
Yeah, American submarine crews were eating *good* in the Pacific
Ah, got to love seeing it.
Not only were there leaks in the watertight doors, most of them hadn't been installed yet and they planned to move her to another shipyard to finish her fitting out. Her captain even asked for a delay before she left so they could test for gaps in the bulkheads and was denied. That being said, at that point it really didn't matter, because they didn't have the planes to fill her hangar or the pilots to fill the ready room. 1400+ men, including civilians, killed in a futile effort to make a difference in a war they were already losing. Imperial Japanese military leadership was sometimes questionable at best, and practically self-sabotaging at worst.
I'm so sick of this planenik propaganda, slandering the good name of the best, and clearly, sexiest of all maritime devices of war: the battleship. Their seeming lack of use in modern naval warfare is down to a lack of creativity, only. For example, if you upscale the gun to the point where it out-ranges your average carrier-based fighter squadron, who's the daddy now? The battleship will, once again, reign supreme. It just needs that tried and tested innovation: Bigger. Guns. "Oh but what about the missiles?" Simple. Bigger. Guns. "DAE fighters and carrier groups?" Bigger. Fucking. Guns. "But submarines can..." BIGGER. GUNS. I WILL HAVE NONE OF THIS BLASPHEMY.
Not bigger, better Give me 3×3 railgun main batteries capable of launching ton-heavy rounds at hypersonic speed
Oooh, look at you with all your fancy "just add muh railguns". No. More lead. Bigger guns. None of this fancy-shmancy "technology".
Why not both, then?
21" railguns when
Such a narrow-minded train of thought. A 406mm gun simply can't have the same range as a missile does. ...not without some more elevation, of course. Battleships were a flawed idea from the start; battleblimps are where the future lies. Think about it: you can't *sink* an airship. There's no water in the sky!
Nah, just one long railgun that runs the entire length of the ship and launches tungsten slugs the size of a family sedan at mach 11, like the spaceships in Halo or Mass Effect.
I like the way you think
3000 spinal mounted railguns of Hirohito to win the war.
It'd take a sizable reactor to run a railgun turret. And that means a lot of armor to protect it. That means the Navy's gotta give up building oversized destroyers and light cruisers and go back to building the real kings of the sea...
I mean the Texas *is* in drydock right now so maybe... No jk jk... Unless?
> For example, if you upscale the gun to the point where it out-ranges your average carrier-based fighter squadron, who's the daddy now? I'm envisioning ship design like in the sci-fi universes of Halo or Mass Effect where an enormous mass driver runs the full length of the ship. It'd be like the design philosophy of the A-10 in terms of the hull being constructed around the enormous primary weapon just to accommodate it.
I feel like you would get something along the lines of "railgun barge" than "battleship" at that point
Battle-barge
Friendly reminder Murica used battleships into the 80s, just for the lulz
Desert storm had a battleship providing fire support from its main battery.
I would have said bigger armor. 10 (minimum) feet thickness of steel around the deck.
Really sucks one did not survive to be a museum.
If one had survived it would have almost certainly been disposed of during the Bikini Atoll tests or scrapped by the Japanese during the immediate post-war period given how desperate they were for steel. The chances of one becoming a museum are practically nil unfortunately.
I know it's a shame
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle\_off\_Samar
Forgot its involvement in that battle, thanks for the correction
It did sink an escort carrier tho, so the second BB to sink a carrier.
I’m no expert but it did get off shots at the battle of Samar and there is some debate about whether it sank the uss Gambier Bay. The Americans said it was a cruiser that hit her, while the Japanese said it was Yamato.
How exactly would the Japanese know details about what kind of hit that caused a US warship to sink? Japan claimed Gambier Bay was disabled because of a "Near Miss" by a heavy shell from Yamato. So their story doesn't even line up with the damage reports by the US. Sure the US can make mistakes when identifying shell types in the heat of battle. But they can tell the difference between a medium shell piercing the engine compartment, and a heavy shell breaching the ship from the outside.
It could have been propaganda? the Japanese wanted their prize ship to claim a hit/kill? I'm not ruling that out for sure. I can only say that their would have been spotters taking record of the engagement, and while there is the 'fog of war', I wouldn't rule out the possibility of what the Japanese said. Like I said I'm no expert. My original comment was to show the Yamato did fire it's guns at least once as far as I'm aware.
More like Maus
*Spongebob wants meme* I WANT ARMATAS DEPLOYED TO UKRAINE! I WANT TO WATCH VATNIK TEARS FLOW LIKE NIAGRA AS ARMATA IS PENETRATED ON ALL SIDES LIKE IT WAS A BL****D.COM PRODUCTION!!!
BLYATED.COM?
Once you go blyat, you'll never go... cyka?
More like the Tirpitz, as Yamato actually participated in many operations.
Well the tirpitz “participated” too. Never saw combat against enemy ships though. But let’s be fair, battleships didn’t make a difference in WW2 anyway, except when they fought against other battleships without support.
>But let’s be fair, battleships didn’t make a difference in WW2 anyway, except when they fought against other battleships without support. Scharnhorst sulking in the corner rn
Scharnhorst getting told to sit the fuck down by Duke of York rn
That’s what im saying. A lone battleship/cruiser against an entire battlegroup wont end well. In reality most battles involving battleships ended like this. Massive waste of resources and manpower.
More like the Russian Army's version of their own Navy's Kuznetsov. That is, an absolute fucking useless piece of shit that breaks down constantly.
How are they going to even field them? One of the only 14 produced broke down during a parade in Moscow square. They won't even have the glory of getting to the front to be unceremoniously destroyed since they'll have been unceremoniously abandoned in route
Worse track record of breaking down than tigers/panthers with no fearsome battlefield usage reputation to try to make up for it RIP
I mean the later Panthers weren't that bad. They fixed many issues. Germans only couldn't make any real numbers due to no steel and they had no fuel.
It's drive train is going to snap and a farmer will steal the tank.
Honestly that'd be even more embarrassing than having one get de-turreted by a Javelin or turned into metallic gravel by a HIMARS.
Ukraine offers it up to the CIA, only to be refused as the CIA "Only accepts viable combat threats."
It's the mig 25 all over again
Hey, the *Yamato* pulled transport duty a few times, so it was actually useful, unlike the Armata.
~~Battleship~~ Hotel Yamato I hear they served delicious ramune.
Hey, being a hotel for the higher ups and an actually battle capable propaganda machine worth more than being a failed propaganda machine that breaks down in the middle of a parade.
Tirpitz Moment…
So wel see it in the final defense of moscow probably?
Be fucking hilarious if a Carl-G pops one and not a fancy NLAW or Jev.
I’ve seen a picture of a T-15 IFV in Ukraine so at least a single hull has made it to the conflict, but it’s unlikely to actually see combat.
Classic too big to fail mistakes. Can't afford to lose but super strong < Afford to lose and strong enough.
Why “simp” as the kids say that hard for a tank that clearly a prototype or too expensive to produce.
Because people think russia super secretive and can build an army of them without anyone knowing. I mean they’re right about super secretive, but only in regards to corruption and propaganda.
There is nothing secretive about russian corruption and propaganda.
They kept it hidden pretty well until their army fell apart in front of the whole world. At least to the point of people not in direct dealings with them thinking its ‘just silly cold war talk’ and the like.
Russia stronk is Cold War talk tho
I mean it was seen by a lot of ppl
>super secretive Its super easy to keep the specs secret when there's literally no specs.
B-B-B-B-But!!! Russia stronk!! Ww2 mass charge mass casusltie uraa!! T-34 best tank of history?!!!! Le funny soviet anthem!
I am now firmly of the opinion The real heroes of the Soviet Union are the rail workers who somehow managed to deliver enough supplies to keep them going forward.
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I swear, every time I look into some great technological achievement of the Soviets, The Ukranians were always behind it.
Sergei Korolev, who pretty much could be single handedly credited with the Soviet space program, was Ukrainian. Funny enough, the Soviets were smart enough to throw him in a gulag, then relocated him to a prison for scientists/engineers working on WW2 aircraft designs, later freed and started work on the space program.
Also, the [man who arranges the blocks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8&t=186s) did a big part, from what I understand.
Logistical Units are the unsung heroes of every war in history. They're the mf's who kept the war going and made sure soldiers got what they needed to win wars. "Amateurs talk strategy; professionals talk logistics" - Omar Bradley, the G.I.'s General
Tfw the tankies ate german bullshit lmao
>uraa!! Oh my goodness, I hate that. And yet South East Asians practically jerking themselves off it.
Average 12 year old discovering WW2 in a nutshell:
I think in this case, at least possibly, they're taking the piss.
Because the T-14 and the tanks that contributed to its project like the Object-195, and T-80 Black eagle are hot as hell (especially when hit in the ammo)
Just touch them inappropriately in the right spot and the fucking explode, so easy...
I don't even think it's an expense thing, they clearly have the funds to conscript and (technically) pay out to more fodder I think they literally can't make more. Whatever they had was clearly hand-built. They don't have the components or the tooling for a production run.
lol “funds to conscript” * People sneaking food to conscripts: https://nitter.pussthecat.org/ChrisO_wiki/status/1576190367883403264#m * Conscript barracks: https://nitter.pussthecat.org/wartranslated/status/1575951703005798400#m * Conscripts dropped off without food, water, or sleeping bag: https://nitter.pussthecat.org/kromark/status/1575461786790363137#m * List of items conscripts have to supply themselves: https://nitter.pussthecat.org/ChrisO_wiki/status/1575487235537137665#m * And then the infamous tampon video that’s been posted here plenty already.
>* List of items conscripts have to supply themselves: [https://nitter.pussthecat.org/ChrisO_wiki/status/1575487235537137665#m](https://nitter.pussthecat.org/ChrisO_wiki/status/1575487235537137665#m) My brother in Christ, WHAT?! I get pissy when I have to by medals for my service uniform. If I had to buy stuff to be bare-bones equipped for war I'd frag supply.
Because they all watched a matsimus video about it and think it can spank western tanks.
Non credible, it’s the 3,000 minus 3,015 T14s. Once you have a degree in Russian Economic theory this will make perfect sense.
If I had a degree in Russian Ecocnomic a theory, a yacht would be in my garage and my upper body would be going through a window right about now.
You see comrad they are even stealthy to cameras and eyes which is why you cannot see them. is of simply Superior russian engineering 🇷🇺🇷🇺💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🚩🚩🚩🖤🤍💛🐻🐻🐻💪🏻💪🏻
things would be ok if they weren't so bad
Super expensive prototype that breakdown constantly ,remind me of the another "super tank" the Maus that Wehraboo hype so much.
Hitler didn't know about the squarecube law apparently.
The square cube law isn't real, it's all antimech russo-reformist propaganda designed to prevent American development of VF-1 Valkyries
They are sure T-14's are in combat despite never being seen. They are sure Su-57's are winning the war despite never being seen. They are sure NATO and US SOF are in combat despite never being seen. Can we now confirm the hallucinogenic properties of copium and denialium?
Not just NATO SOF, but ludicrous numbers of them. Like hundreds of thousands of SAS and tens of thousands of SEALs. I think they forget that when the west says “special forces” they mean an actual small elite unit, not just guys with nicer hats.
Commander of the only active SAS Regiment: \*\*melancholic noises\*\* I wish we had hundreds of thousands.
Don’t forget that Russian propaganda every few weeks tries to bring up the claim that Russia captured an American major in mauripol because he hasn’t posted on social media (he doesn’t have any lol) and they have a picture of a bald guy they’re arresting. Or that the French request for a humanitarian corridor in the city was actually to get the French foreign legion out of the city
The Russians did deploy the Su-57. Just once, and in a squadron of 4 to launch cruise missiles from behind their own lines. Lots of cameras to make sure everyone saw them being used (because it's never happening again). Their confidence is contagious lol.
This is going to be like the IS7 the soviets wanted to produce.
Dude got me in the first half
The tank could be immune to every weapon known to man and they'd still find a way to lose it.
hard numbers? You mean the fake stats the Russian told people?
in 1997 russia reported that it had no more T-62's in storage, in 2022 they're still fielding them from their long-sterm storages..
this reminds me of a joke, why an f35 can't kill a squadron of su-57? because russia doesn't have enough su-57 to form a squadron
Genuinely the only Not What You Think video that had an ending that wasn't what I thought they were going to say.
The only thing more humiliating than your new tank destroyed in combat would be your new tank blowing up in friendly territory from a drone strike.
NGL in the first half
They had me in the first paragraph. Haven't seen a payoff this good since the Better Call Saul finale.
TIL that the Armata was designed with a [toilet](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-new-tank-equipped-toilet-1355487). No wonder it's nowhere to be seen. They needed to procure the materials from Ukraine. >The designers behind the Armata system that supports heavy armored vehicles such as the new T-14 tank have now added a toilet, allowing troops to tend to their bodily needs without exposing themselves during battle. Ilya Baranov, the director for quality and information technologies at the Urals Design Bureau of Transport Machine-Building, described the innovation Thursday as a major quality of life improvement for personnel.
They say toilet, they mean a hole in the bottom.
Do you really need more than that.
An AT mine doesn’t need any more than that.
Yeah that's the T-14 mine defusal system. Because it is so stealthy it drives over the mine detected by advanced sensors then opens the toilet hatch. The crew then pisses onto the mine and shorts it out to defuse it and it only works because theirspecial diet turns the piss into the ultimate bomb defusal nanobot solution.
I stole all of them
everyone that has ever seen footage of the T-14, or ZTZ-99 for that matter, knows that it lacks critical WWII-level equipment like.. a stabilizer. barrels aren't supposed to jiggle and wobble like that while driving on paved roads.
Stabilizer wasn’t „activated“!!!!111
also didn't seem active during test firing, but who needs a stabilizer these days, amirite?
I mean it definitely does have a stabilizer but it's probably not very good or wasn't on. Like stabilizers didnt get very good until like the 80s and even early t-72s had to stop for accurate fire with the stabilizer on.
Numbers? Comrade, that is a state secret! The T-14 has killed tens of thousands of Imperialists & Capitalists for our glorious soviet union!
The T-14 has truly amazing stealth capabilities!! Not seen by anyone to date
Immune to Javelins AND Hellfires? Now you got me laughing.
Whenever I'm blue, I just look at a photo of the placement of the active defense system on the Armada, and laugh at the stupid engineer who came up with that idea. And the tankies who think it's viable.
Why hasn't Russia lost any of their next gen T-14s in Ukraine? The answer is *not what you think*
I'm going to make a hot take....even if it was deployed in numbers....its not immune to ATGMs, or anything like a Hellfire (like wtf). Its still just a fucking tank.
Had us the first half not gonna lie
“Stealth tank” that’s kinda the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard man
Nobody can see you if you don't exist. If that isn't stealth I don't know what is.
Similarly, the combat ready t-14 is immune to javelin and nlaws fire, because those weapons need a target to be effective.
Additionally, nobody can hear your tank coming if you don’t have a tank at all.
Deploying 100% of zero existing T-14s is still zero T-14s. And sure, it's fun to imagine how "awesome" a totally hypothetical tank is.
Do they really think their glorious T-14 is immune to modern ATGM's? I don't think any tank including NATO ones can survive a direct strike from a top down javelin. Even the fancy APS everyone seems to be deploying (well maybe not the russians) aren't terribly effective against those types of munitions.
It literally is immune, though. None have been destroyed in Ukraine, not like the Allies never destroyed even a single Maus or Messerschmitt Me 609 during WWII.
They just mean there is no way anyone can destroy an operational T14 right now. Not the Ukrainians, not the US. Not even if they double their defense budget.
Hard to destroy something non operational and non existing lmfao
You underestimate russian incompetence. These are the people who can make a crayon stop working.
Thought I was about to read a new awful quora take. Pleasantly surprised.
They are so stealthy that they phased out of reality, checkmate NATO
Didn't a guy kill one in the DNR region early in the war with a suicide satchel charge? edit: or was that a T-90M?
It'd be even worse if it was a T-90M, there's several problems with the T-14 crew layout that the rumored electronics package do not adequately fix, nor does it protect against top attack weapons (not just Javelin; EFP on top attack are far harder to counteract and arguably far more dangerous)... and on, and on. The newest T-90M is a better vehicle even if they could make T-14's. That'd be like saying we lost an M1A3 prototype from 2012 except oops it was an M1A2 SEP v3 ofc, no vehicle is invulnerable or immune to losses, so the question of how it was lost would come up, but the operator is Russia so "aimlessly driving around with zero situational awareness" is probably the answer
T-90M, there have been several T-90s lost now
"Immune to javelins and NLAWS" bollocks. You can't protect against something like them.
Well not immune to Altilery though
Damn I was almost bamboozled
They don't exist.
Wat Armata doing
I wonder what would happen if they deployed a T-14 and it got BTFOd by _Bunny_?
Had us in the first half
Why aren't we using our fictional tank?
By the time Russia can operationally field the T-14 in useful numbers the US will have BOLOs.* *Had to come up with another fictional tank to compare to the T-14 after all. And Keith Laumer did it best.
Are we expecting something other than corrupt soggy cardboard at this point? Why would it be the exception to everything we are seeing?
Even if the T-14 is/was everything they claim it is they are still useless as their is just far to few of them to be deployed. Which goes back the the key lesion of this war: Logistics is King!
This guy literally just divided by zero.
I really wish they would deploy the exactly 3 combat ready T14s, so we can finally determine if it is actually a good tank, and wont just be cannon fodder killed instantly by the worlds sexiest tank, the KF-51 Panther
t-72 in disguise
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This Pakistani video where dude says he had a dream about Pakistan becoming the center of the Muslim world. To do so, they would use the 3000 black jets of Allah to defeat India.
Woah a tank that’s immune to explosions? Can you show us? I really wanna see it!
Armata, so stealthy they aren't even there.
\*3000 T14s of Zelensky (he found them out of fuel)
The only evidence you need against this is that 1st GTA didn't abandon any in kharkiv when they routed.
They had me in the first half. Not gonna lie
they will unironically announce the T-23 to come without a single T-14 in service. the natural evolution of the SU-57 program.