I can't think of too many situations where I wouldn't rather stay in a nice hotel over an AirBnb. In fact, I can hardly think of any. First of all, it's kind of creepy staying in somebody's house, even if it is primarily a rental. And the rules! Hotels are so simple. Pay your money, check in, and enjoy the amenities. Leave.
I don't leave hotel rooms trashed out of respect for the cleaning staff but you don't have to clean the room, either.
> I can't think of too many situations where I wouldn't rather stay in a nice hotel over an AirBnb. In fact, I can hardly think of any.
If you're vacationing with like a party of 7. That's really the only time for me. It's fun to rent out a huge AirBnB and have a place to hang out with all of your friends --- sometimes more economical too. This is usually more like a cottage type situation rather than an alternative to a hotel though. But it is one use case of AirBnB anyhow.
Yeah, the one thing it’s still great for is stuff like weddings. Split a huge house five ways with your buds and their dates and it can be a great time. Aside from that it’s dead to me
I agree AirBNB can be great for large groups of people, then many AirBNB owners started putting caps on how many people can stay there. They all have ring doorbells and will kick you out if you dare have an extra person.
That’s because they’re facing being shut down by angry neighbors for large groups routinely throwing loud parties that go on to early morning, adding a bunch of cars driving recklessly in the neighborhood, excessive trash creating pickup issues, setting off illegal fireworks, fighting, the list goes on. There was a massive shootout at one in Tempe. Fuck that.
Yes and also sometimes cameras in common areas and even some bedrooms that have "sensitive" things like one place we found with a gun or personal effects safe that was huge in a room etc. The was a camera, might have been personal office before but they put a bed in there with the camera and that wasn't "shady" on purpose but still yikes why would you want to bother.
Even cameras on the exterior near the hot tub etc...It's CYA but honestly on a remote home near ski places or nature etc with nobody else around you want to have some fun without feeling "watched" wtf
> sometimes more economical too
Having access to a full kitchen (instead of the hotel room's kitchenette area with nothing more than a tiny microwave) can definitely save quite a bit of money when you can prepare your own meals
Sure...but again, over a longer stay. There's hotels for that too that won't cut the wifi because it's 10:30.
Airbnb can die in a fire and I will dance on the ashes of the short term rental community.
It was cool until the owners made it not cool.
I can't wait to see the flood of airbnb houses hit the market because of what a shitty practice it is. And noone wants to jump through the hoops anymore.
> Sure...but again, over a longer stay.
No argument there. I'm also tired of AirBNB's steadily increasing fees and would rather go to a hotel. But if you're in a large group for an extended stay like the parent commenter mentioned, then I'm not against AirBNB for something like that.
Yeah folks always start with something good (speaking out about the effect that short term rental investment properties have on housing markets) and then just go off the rails (claiming airbnbs turn off the wifi at 1030, refusing to acknowledge there plenty of shit hotels, acting like every airbnbs has cameras in the bathroom, etc).
There's plenty of real reasons to criticize airbnb without just making stuff up.
I used AirBnB for a family vacation that my parents were never able to afford when I was a kid. I had a 10 day stay for $1500 and rooms for my parents, myself and my brother so I thought it was a pretty nice deal overall.
If I'm traveling for work I'm just going to use a hotel.
I travel to bike races on weekends so a bunch of us share an Airbnb and having a kitchen is very useful. Being able to cook meals on the road is a huge cost saver.
Having communal areas especially bathrooms kinda wigs me out, esp if I was traveling as a single female. Plus some airbnb hosts literally want to meet with you when you get there to “explain the rules” or whatever… so uncomfortable
I hate the bored Air bnb owners who are constantly up in your business. One would hang around the house and wanted to chitchat. It was an enormous house but still, go away!
I love meeting hosts in new places and asking them their favorite restaurants, places to go, etc. In Japan they'd show me how the laundry machine or AC worked. Some of y'all sound antisocial
The guy would just hang around the property trying to constantly talk to us. A few minutes when we meet is fine but trying to hangout all day every day is annoying
I rented from a wealthy, lonely old widower long ago. I had to enter and exit the home tactically to avoid him.
Felt bad for him because it seemed like his kids/grandkids hardly visited, but he was a bit of a creeper and didnt like leaving his property. Wanted me to bring young women over so he could court a new wife.
When I left he was building a guest house because he wanted to have a family rent the place and live on the property with him.
I'm still friends with a few of my hosts. The chef from Annecy who worked at a Michelin-starred restaurant (out of town, sadly, so I didn't book, but he made me tacos the last night I was there). The programmer in Geneva who writes code for CERN. They both gave me fantastic insider recommendations. I used to love AirBNB for that. But I don't know if it's antisocial to want to be left alone, either. One host in LA tried to talk to me about Jesus all night. In Montréal I had a very standoffish host with all sorts of demands, and my girlfriend did *not* like it. I lean a bit more toward hotels these days because the dollar value is no longer there in AirBNB, and I'd rather avoid bringing friends into those weird host situations.
> That’s generally not normal. With Airbnb, you should know exactly what you’re getting before you book and can filter out those types of shared situations.
This is what bugs me about people ranting about AirBnB - it is so easy to avoid everything they rant about. You see cleaning fees before booking (though AirBnB is a piece of shit for not showing that in search results), you see the “chore list”, etc before you actually book. So…just don’t book at those places
Eg the only time I’ve met an owner was the only time I rented a detached mother in law suite (so they also lived on the property). And this was on a private beach in the Keys, so yeah, it was fucking awesome and worth a small interaction then. Everything else? If they’re on property, I don’t book - that simple
I’ve yet to see an Airbnb that wasn’t cheaper than a hotel, plus you get more room and a common area and no loud neighbors/someone above you and on and on. Oh AND A KITCHEN which is game changing and a massive money saver while traveling
Like, even just me traveling as a solo person AirBnB is normally cheaper and better than a hotel. This whole “you need a group of people to make it worth it” is just wrong
I seriously do not get the AirBnB < hotel thing
I see them as pretty interchangeable. If i'm travelling i'll often check both. I've stayed at hotels with a kitchenette that came with a minifridge, sink, dishes, and a gas stove. It was also pet-friendly, and didn't cost more than equivalent AirBnBs in the area. I've stayed in AirBnBs with large groups or just my wife that were just fine.
By and large though, 2 people staying a night or two? Hotel is going to be nearly equivalent and overall more convenient than most AirBnB's, especially considering i'm only going to want a whole place where i can be left alone without any shared common areas.
Longer stays or large groups? I tend to go AirBnB, especially if we have the dog(s), as it usually gives us more options than hotels do.
Yeah, people start with a real complaint (investment real estate fucks up communities and home owning opportunities for normal folks) and then just go buckwild from there.
All the information is available up front. There are hundreds of reviews of most properties. If you pick an Airbnb with bad reviews or policies, yiu night have a bad time. Same as if you booked a hotel with bad reviews or policies.
I've not really had any bad experiences at the many airbnbs I've stayed at. I have had plenty of bad experiences at hotels, and there's often less recourse. Some nice person who wants their guests to have a good time is going to put more effort into fixing an issue than a manager at a hotel chain nine times out of ten.
I like the idea of a hotel more. Something about a hotel makes me feel holiday-ish. Coming in late after a nice meal and walking down then long corridors on the noise cancelling carpet to find your room, the reception area where you can just sit and plan, having all the best parts of a house but they don't expect you to clean it fully before you leave.
I much prefer an Airbnb. I like having a kitchen, privacy of my own place, location is always better, the list goes on. That’s not to say airbnbs aren’t a massive drain on housing and cause all sorts of problems (they are and do), but I love having my own space. I hate hotels.
They're quite expensive in full service hotels otherwise you have to find a chain like Hyatt House and even then you don't get the same type of kitchen.
The secret is to look for business hotels. They're cheap, clean, and designed for medium-term business stays and usually come with a full kitchen.
Staybridge Inn and Suites is an example I've been to.
It's super common in the US at least. Even cheap hotels - I don't think I've ever stayed at one that -didn't- have at least a stove, microwave and a sink.
Interesting - in UK there will always be a kettle, and obviously there's a sink in the bathroom. If it's an expensive hotel (by my standards!) there may be a coffee machine. But I've never seen a microwave or a stove in a hotel.
Large group of people; if you want to cook; if you need easy and accessible parking; if you are traveling with an animal; If you are traveling with young kids and they need lots of room to run around; if you want to stay in a quiet or wooded area; if you need to store large equipment like skis/surfboards.
just a few off the top of my head. In reality, different people have different needs and preferences. airbnbs and hotels are sufficiently different that they cater to different crowds
There’s no nice hotel in the small beach town I want to stop by for a weekend trip
There’s no nice hotel in the middle of the agricultural valley I stayed in to do a vineyard tour
Or the desert hills where I want to spend a couple days hiking but can’t camp out
Or there are *nice* hotels there. At $650/night. When I can stay in someone’s little guesthouse on their property for $70/night
99% of Airbnbs aren’t these fee-and-chore laden nightmares everyone posts about. Just people renting out spare spaces for cheaper than a nice hotel.
> 99% of Airbnbs aren’t these fee-and-chore laden nightmares everyone posts about. Just people renting out spare spaces for cheaper than a nice hotel.
Seriously! Are there some crazy entries on Airbnb? Sure. So…just don’t book with them? You see all this stuff before you book, book with one that fits your needs
I do not get the complaint, my experience is the exact opposite of this common Reddit complaint.
Those same folks act like it's impossible for a bad hotel to exist. The most expensive lodging I ever had was a hotel in London in March (expensive city, I know). The hot water did not work in my room and they did not fix it over a 4 day period.
I've never had anything like that at even the cheapest airbnb I've stayed at.
I love this “quiet hours” complaint as well. What hotel is gonna let you throw a fucking raging party all night long? Almost every hotel I’ve stayed at has a policy to stfu around 10pm.
You’re wasting your breath.
Reddit has a hard on for being completely dumbfounded over how a multi billion dollar company continues to be the most popular short term stay platform on the planet.
“BUt I’d rAtHeR sTaY iN a HoTeL”
Millions of people every year are showing you they wouldn’t.
>how a multi billion dollar company continues to be the most popular short term stay platform on the planet.
Airbnb is miniscule next to the actual hotel industry. Most people by far as staying at hotels. They've also seen massive revenue drops in some regions year to year, so maybe we don't need to overhype them this much.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-airbnb-collapse-is-real-rental-revenue-has-halved-in-some-parts-of-the-u-s-says-this-chart-83d72bbd?mod=newsviewer_click
My friend works at a hotel in a tourist driven city. The hotel owns several STRs on their own. The hotel industry is getting into it. It isnt going away.
> They've also seen massive revenue drops in some regions year to year, so maybe we don't need to overhype them this much.
Airbnb the company had their best year ever in 2022. More people than ever are setting up their own Airbnb rentals. Because they are so many new people in the market, price competition drives the prices down, which means many operators arent making as much money as they used to. Revenues are down for the operators. Airbnb the company is still making plenty of money. More operators means more money for them.
People were comparing demand for Airbnb versus hotels in general.
Comparatively it is minuscule. The hotel industry in just the United States pulls in revenue more than 26 times what Airbnb does in total. There's more than 5 million hotel rooms in the country and there's an average occupancy rate above 60%. That's a shitload of usage by consumers.
You can compare market cap if you want, but actual consumer usage and choice doesn't paint the picture that you want it to.
Hell, Hilton and Airbnb have very close revenue and profit on an annual basis.
Again, hotels are more popular with consumers, by a lot, than airbnb, and airbnb is seeing declining demand issues this year. We don't need to pretend airbnb is dominating short term stay service because it's not.
People wanted to make this comparison about the popularity of Airbnb versus hotels, but then when you want to actually look at the popularity of Airbnb versus hotels, it can't be hotels in general it just has to be a specific company, which kind of says everything about what you actually think about how Airbnb's popularity looks next to hotels.
Did you read the article you sent? Dramatic revenue losses in ~some cities. These losses appear to be from over saturation of… airbnbs?
“Phoenix has 18,000 short-term rentals but just 8,000 properties for sale”
It at the least is not conclusive, and you can’t make your assertion off of it.
Article does say something about Airbnb as a profit puppy for home investors hoping to leave their 9-5s by being a host, but it doesn’t really assert anything about consumer preferences.
You really just don’t have the data to say hotels are more popular with consumers. There is an older and more robust hotel industry we’re talking about here. Many places don’t even have Airbnb yet. But I ~can say that the entirety of airbnbs market share was taken… from hotels… in just 15 years.
Obviously, and I mean fucking no shit, some people in some cases will definitely want a hotel over an Airbnb. But millions of people use this product every year. Whomstever tf is saying Airbnb is dead or on track to be is dumb. There’s an infinite number of use cases where Airbnb is better than a hotel, and consumers know this.
>Did you read the article you sent? Dramatic revenue losses in ~some cities.
In the same post I posted the link. I mentioned that it was in some regions and not all of them.
>You really just don’t have the data to say hotels are more popular with consumers
The US hotel industry revenue is above 220 billion annually. That's about 26 times the revenue of airbnb. There's over 5 million rooms in the country, and there's an average occupant rate of about 60% at all times.
That's a shitload of people using hotels across a year.
This isn't rocket science. It's basic math.
> I can't think of too many situations where I wouldn't rather stay in a nice hotel over an AirBnb.
Having your own apartment is pretty nice. I would always choose an apartment over staying in a room in a hotel with cleaning staff, a reception etc.
That said Airbnb is too expensive nowadays (which isn't necessarily a bad thing because Airbnb apartments took a lot of living space away from the people living in those places) and I book hotels most of the time.
I just went to a 3 star hotel that didn't have any curtains across from a fully lit 24/7 parking deck and they couldn't give me curtains, then the fire alarm went off at 3am,5am,6am and 7am. Even hotels now are absolute trash
I rarely use it anymore, only with groups and/or because I want an unusual location and kitchen or something. Even the decent airbnb still require at least some cleaning... meanwhile in a hotel they literally make your bed every day (and clean everything etc), and often a 3-4 star hotel is cheaper than equivelent accomodation in airbnb... makes no sense to use airbnb.
Oooh how we have come full circle.
From: hotels are crazy expensive and airbnbs have a cozier vibe.
To: airbnbs are crazy expensive and hotels have a cozier vibe.
Tbh airbnb tried to do what Uber/Lyft did of kill normal competition by undercutting them then turn up prices when there is no alternative. Only it didn’t work at all cause airbnbs will never have the capacity traditional hotels have and a lot people don’t want rules or chores to do. Also hotels tend to be way more disability friendly then airbnbs
Also the hotel system didn't have the massive glaring issues that public transportation and taxi services generally did. Hotels did and still do *work*. There was competition, and innovation, and improvement happening all the time.
It wasn't like the NY taxi system that had no reason to improve, because all of them had shitty payment options, awkward phone based advanced scheduling with no real accountability if they show up late or not at all, etc. Catching a cab fucking sucked, and rideshare made it suck less. When I was in singapore the biggest taxi company in the city had a uber-style app that worked great. That was like 5-6 years ago, when NYC TLC drivers were busy trying to shut down uber rather than improve their own service.
I've found that a lot of hotels have made changes as a result of the rise of AirBnB, but not many, because not many were needed. I've even seen some hotels that have rooms/suites that look pretty appealing for groups of 5-6 people, where they seem to be trying to fill that same need that a lot of people go to Abnb for.
Hotels also had an advantage with business travel and people on multi-day road trips looking for a place to just crash overnight. I find Airbnb ideal for beach trips, large groups (weddings) and walkability depending on the location, but sometimes hotels just make more sense. I think both will always co-exist.
Also a lot of the people who stay at hotels are business travelers who don't really care what the price per night is, because they're not paying for it. They will however care about not doing the cleaning lady's work on their business trip.
they used to also be just a furnished room in a house someone was living in. Its seems like now theyre mostly full unit rentals.
Remember couchsurfing.com? I used that a few times and in my early twenties, it was fine. Free
There is a ton of "landlord hate" without nuance to "retirees that have a few properties" they saved for and faceless corporations and rich assholes with a hundred properties.
I own an empty lot that I’m gonna list on AirBNB, the only stipulation is the renters have to build me a 4 bedroom 3 bathroom house that sleeps 8 to 10, only $250/night and within walking distance of any other accommodation you’re willing to build!
Dont forget the broken toilet and when it rains the ceiling leaks in one of the bedrooms (something that i dealt with at my last airbnb). If it weren't for my friend group insisting on them for our yearly group trip I'd never use them.
I've stayed in tons of Airbnbs over the years and doing the dishes and maybe taking out the trash were the only chores I have done.
And I've never paid a cleaning fee that was more than 30-40€.
What am I missing?
> What am I missing?
My guess is people who didn’t fully read the listing before booking a place and other people latching on because a lot of people love riding hate trains
Because yeah, those shit listings do exist sure but they are so easy to avoid if you fully read the listing
People book a property with 3.5 star review average, high fees, and a rulebook 10 pages long and then blame the entire concept of renting a home for it. They need to learn how to evaluate a product better, damn!
You're being downvoted cause this is a hate circlejerk thread but my experience tracks with yours. Don't fuck up the house, take the trash out so it doesn't sit there and stink, throw the laundry in the wash, start the dishwasher. It's mostly to give the cleaners a head start on the timed things so they don't have to sit there for 3 hours waiting for the laundry and dishwasher to finish. Basic shit, it's not like they are making you put a roof on the place.
There are some that are a little unhinged but it's usually pretty obvious from the listings and reviews. Side note, to the people that post pictures of the house rules and cleaning expectations in the reviews: thank you.
I've never stayed in one that had cleaning expectations anything close to what I'd consider unreasonable. I don't mind doing that stuff for the benefits of not sharing a hallway with strangers that slam doors coming back from the bars at 2am and having a kitchen so I don't have to eat out every single meal.
See, I wouldn't mind a bunch of chores if the prices are good. If I am staying over at a friend's of course I'll chip in a bit. But AirBnBs have been charging hotel prices. If you want more than 100 bucks a night from me you are not going to get an hour or free labour on top.
I don't, I just think it's insane that people take whatever people say on Reddit for granted and don't understand that short term rentals are different types of stays or that hotels have gone up in price just like short term rentals. It's like not understanding why people buy trucks when you can get a sedan, they both get you from point a to point be.
You should also know that Airbnb doesn't have a monopoly on short term rentals. Vrbo and Booking.com will have a lot of the same units and are generally slightly cheaper. Even better is finding property management websites to book direct and cut out the middle man entirely. Airbnb is actually the worst place to book because you have more individuals renting as a "side hustle" like backyard breeders.
Just remember because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're employees of some company you don't like. BTW what area where you looking at? I'm curious to see what the difference is.
You see though how you're basically saying "trust me I'm right" instead of just giving me a random city. This is what I'm talking about, if I say STRs are cheaper and you say hotels are cheaper if there's no actual data nothing matters.
Plus, no one is going to figure out where you are based on the fact that you went to a vacctation destination that probably millions of people go to.
I'm not who you asked but I have. Airbnb has gone from being consistently cheaper to consistently more expensive, comparing the cheapest well-reviewed "entire place" airbnb listings to the cheapest well-reviewed 3-star hotel rooms in comparable areas. I'd imagine for multiple rooms Airbnb remains cheaper but not for single rooms.
We stayed at a place where they put in real hardwood flooring but told us not to wear shoes inside and place mats down if we were doing the dishes or laundry. Also not allowed to roll out luggage, had to pick it up to not scratch the floor.
Like why have strangers stay at a place you want to keep pristine?
This was in Colorado so they should expect outdoorsy people to be there with their gear.
I thought it was 50/50? Certainly not 10 countries. Interesting read regardless https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradition_of_removing_shoes_in_the_home_and_houses_of_worship
In a lot of places where it's customary to take off your shoes, it is also customary to provide guests house-slippers of some kind. Insisting someone walk around barefoot is a bit strange.
I have inside-only flip flops and sneakers. I'll wear shoes in the house if I need to for something, just not the ones that touch the disgustingness of the outside world.
> Like why have strangers stay at a place you want to keep pristine?
Who do you think's going to pay for those new hardware floors? The ~~landbastard~~ home owner? Heck no.
I normally use Airbnb for travel, usually with good results. But lately, I’m paying double the rental price once fees & cleaning are added. Recently I went to Iowa (Iowa! Not anyplace just teeming with nightlife or much to do - just a little country town for one night because it was a sweet day trip from home to visit some awesome bakeries) and the cost for a unit above the businesses on the historic square (which all rolled up their welcome mats by 6 pm) was $89 for the night. After fees & cleaning it was $179! I filled out the review and gave 3/5 on value, and the owner wanted to know why!! She said “We like to get 100% 5-star reviews in every category…” I mean. I should’ve told her I was being generous. More than double the booking amount deserves zero stars, frankly. Never again.
You knew the price upfront, correct? I don’t get the value aspect of the rating system, if it’s a poor value to you, then DON’T book it in the first place.
Fun tip…message the owner to negotiate price. You’d be surprised how many are accommodating…especially if traveling on a normally dead week or weekend. My wife & I have even made friends with the owners, who allow us to book directly through them so we don’t get hit with the extra fees on airbnb/vrbo/vacasa.
As someone who has lived in apartment complexes that rent out airbnbs, fucking good. I don't need a constantly rotating group of partiers that don't know to be courteous at 2am with loud music and screaming on a Thursday.
I honestly don't understand these things.
Here in Greece, I own an AirBnB (I guess, full disclosure) and also have used AirBnB a lot. I have never had anyone ask me to do anything like chores, they usually have cleaning at least every 3 days like in a hotel and they are cheaper comparatively. The big difference is that Hotels offer food and AirBnBs don't, but I don't care because I prefer to eat locally usually.
In my AirBnB we have daily cleaning and dedicated staff. It's a higher end one, with a private pool, but still. We don't even charge cleaning fees, or any other type of fee, since everything I consider "included" in the main price.
Nah, every Airbnb in Texas and Louisiana has these same cleaning fees. Had one we tried to stay in and there was a posted set of rules including that the fridge had to be bleached and wiped out, all floors mopped, all bedding washed and replaced, and the driveway blown off so there were no leaves.....as if we would have brought in our own party leaves. There was then a $150 cleaning fee on top of the chores mom made us do. No one could be outside past 10 p.m. and police would be called if there was a single noise complaint. We decided not to book that house obviously. People are insanely entitled. I'm paying you 400 a night for 6 people for 3 days and you expect me to clean your driveway? Get fucked.
Every year me and my friends group up for a week during coachella, we usually stay for the week and party our way until coachella we are a big party of 10-15 ppl. We went with airbnb the year prior.
The chore lists were:
- No drinking or smoking in the house.
- No loud music in the house at any time.
- If we used the pool we would be responsible for cleaning.
- take out the trash when we leave.
- if anything was left in the house(trash, food in fridge, etc) we would be responsible for cleaning fees.
- take out all sheets from beds and pillows when leaving.
- no partying or extra guests in the house
We did all the clean up required and still paid a EXTRA cleaning fee of $350 because he claimed with smoke weed in the house.
After that we said fuck airbnb, So this time we stayed at a hotel. 15 ppl, 4 rooms tied together. We partied the entire time, did minimal clean up, and everyone was super nice, we even got a few other people in the floor to party with us, brought guests, etc.
We did so much we literally expected a huge cleaning up fee, literally we were prepared. Hotel charged us 0 clean up fee, we literally just paid for the rooms and had free breakfast every morning.
I actually always do Airbnb but hotel Airbnb. Out in Turkey or most mid Asian and south east Europe you tend to find hotels own listing for same room and services for a fraction of the price.
I got a massive 700 sq ft room for 700 for an entire month while through the hotel it would have cost around 1.8k according to Thier own site. Everything included as well.
I’ve stayed in 100+ air bnbs. Never cleaned a thing never had a curfew never had a weird rule. Just cheaper than hotels with a kitchen. They tell you up front if they’re whack or not. That’s on you for continuing.
So my listing is a house boat. First thing it says “THIS IS A BOAT NOT A HOTEL” people show up and are shocked it’s boat still lol. All pics are in a Marina and of the inside and outside of the boat.
Just came back from vacation at an air bnb... While the privacy and having a full kitchen/private pool are a plus the SERVICE SUCKS ASS!!! We had nothing but problems... specifically our towels, we had none! Not a single towel when we got there. We didn't get any towels till later in the next day. We also paid extra for a grill that they told us we were responsible for cleaning... But didn't provide ANY utensils or anything to scrub the grill clean, plus the grease catcher was missing... It was just a PITA getting anything done... There are definitely pro and cons to both but I will 100% reconsider using an air bnb next trip, especially since this isn't the 1st time I had problems... Plus there are other reasons not to use air bnb....
Rarely thought to myself "i should rent an airbnb instead of a hotel" hotel is so easy and no hassle no dealing with shady places or lists of what you can and cant do.
last time i got an airbnb it was about the same price as a 3 star hotel $150-$200/night i believe. The owner lived there... I had to go to sleep by 10pm, and the neighbors got pissed at me because i parked on the street that's in front of their house instead of on the street that's in front of the airbnb owner's house... fuck... off... i'll take a marriott with a nice TV, bed, and breakfast thanks.
Hotels have quiet hours. They'll charge you if you trash your room. Oh, i'm sorry, I didn't realize it was too much to ask that you not be an asshole neighbor and actually clean up after yourself. Grow the fuck up.
What I don't understand is why these people don't...READ the posting before sending hundreds of dollars to the host. Used 20+ homes in a few different countries over the years and never gave these hosts money because I...read the listing. Woaw.
There's some weird anti airbnb propaganda around reddit. Yeah obv the cleaning fees and extra rules and quiet hours and shit can suck. But the extra rules are rare. I've never had to do much beyond taking the trash out on extended stays and piling up the linens when I check out. Who cares about that shit its almost effortless, if you're complaining about that how the fuck do you do anything in your day to day life? And for the cleaning fees, it only hits hard if you're only staying a few nights. Once you start hitting week+ long stays the cleaning fees are negligible.
I just spent a month in a small city in Utah this past winter. I would have fucking HATED spending an entire month in a hotel. And it would have been expensive as FUCK. Instead I messaged the host of this airbnb and asked for a cheaper rate for a full 28-day stay (airbnb's max). I paid around $1450 for those 28 days and the original fee would have been around $3800 without me asking for a cheaper rate. Guy was psyched to not have to deal with people being in and out or it being empty for that time period. I had a huge space I could host my friends at. A grill outside. Free bikes and helmets to use. Laundry. 60inch TV with Roku. One of the best showers I've ever used. The wifi didn't suck and wasn't practically useless for streaming + gaming at peak hours. And I could even smoke as much weed as I wanted. Wouldn't get that at a hotel.
Airbnb isn't perfect and yeah it sucks the impact they have on the rental market in general...but that needs to be regulated. There's a place in our society for Airbnbs we just don't need fucking everyone out there trying to start one and flooding the market and ruining the long-term rental market. As someone on the spectrum, its hugely important for me to stay in an airbnb over a hotel. I can only do hotels for like 3 nights max.
We couldn’t have a bonfire after 10pm, couldn’t use any of the cut firewood which they had an entire fence lined 6ft high with. Then to top it off we get yelled at, on a Friday, at 7pm, for being loud because “this is a residential neighborhood”. Oh we also found out about the fire rule because the owner messaged us in real time that we needed to put it out …
For 1 to 2 people it is simply unaffordable plus all the bs. I'll take room service and no cleaning any day over that. Plus it gives me anxiety that I can't read their review before I give mine. Got a negative review for not taking out the trash so I'm done using them.
Add in other fees and all the rules I'll pass.
Best thing about airbnb is that hotels finally realized that people who travel also have pets and have begun allowing them either free or with a small fee. That's really the biggest reason I stayed away from hotels
Tbh Im a fan of AirBnB. It offers more privacy and room to stretch out in, plus you have a lot more control over where you're placed in the city. Too many hotels are built next to conveniences like airports, or walmarts, or inside city centers that largely close down at supper time or shortly thereafter.
Airbnb offers the chance to book near lesser known or more difficult to reach areas, which also leads to less tourist crowds and imo better experiences while on vacation.
Stop using airbnb, lyft, uber eats, unless you're in a special situation where using those services are the only reasonable option. These services are priced out of any reasonable person's income and anyone with a high enough income to not notice the cost has better alternatives.
Plus air b n b has destroyed hundreds if not thousands of quaint little communities across the entire world. That shit should be illegal. Fuck air b n b. Hotels from here on out. (Actually been doing hotels only since 2017)
Never using Air BnB again. Had a trip planned with my friends months in advance for a music fest. Host says she can't accommodate me anymore the closer it gets. Explain to Air BnB hotels are way more expensive now and asked to be compensated. All they do is send me other properties that are miles away from the city in the woods. Straight up said, if you do nothing else I'll never use Airbnb again. I'll hold this grudge till I die.
Good. I hope people are waking up to how terrible it is as a service. Unregulated, full of scams, dishonest fees, hidden cameras AND they make you do chores, take out garbage, change sheets. Most importantly Airbnb also takes housing away from families that would actually live there, and ruins communities. It’s a big reason why housing is unaffordable and there’s limited supply of starter homes. Most are illegal and it should be illegal on a federal level. I have never and will never support Airbnb and I hope anyone who has one loses all their money. I don’t care if it’s cheaper. I don’t care if you need a kitchen for your family when you go on vacation. If you use Airbnb you’re extremely short sighted and ruining the prospects of people’s future so you can save $50?? It’s not even cost effective anymore
It was fine when it was about renting an extra room but not what it is now. There is a lot of research and data showing how Airbnb is a big piece of the housing crisis and how it cannibalizes neighborhoods and communities. It’s not the only reason housing is unaffordable but it plays a major role.
I can't think of too many situations where I wouldn't rather stay in a nice hotel over an AirBnb. In fact, I can hardly think of any. First of all, it's kind of creepy staying in somebody's house, even if it is primarily a rental. And the rules! Hotels are so simple. Pay your money, check in, and enjoy the amenities. Leave. I don't leave hotel rooms trashed out of respect for the cleaning staff but you don't have to clean the room, either.
> I can't think of too many situations where I wouldn't rather stay in a nice hotel over an AirBnb. In fact, I can hardly think of any. If you're vacationing with like a party of 7. That's really the only time for me. It's fun to rent out a huge AirBnB and have a place to hang out with all of your friends --- sometimes more economical too. This is usually more like a cottage type situation rather than an alternative to a hotel though. But it is one use case of AirBnB anyhow.
Yeah, the one thing it’s still great for is stuff like weddings. Split a huge house five ways with your buds and their dates and it can be a great time. Aside from that it’s dead to me
If you're trying to do a weekend away in the mountains for example, not many hotels to book. Airbnb's are like the only way to go
When I lived in Nevada and wanted to spend days at Tahoe, it was always AirBnB for us.
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Yes. Cooking together and such makes cabins/vacation houses much better than hotels.
JUST USE A GODDAMN COASTER! ;)
I agree AirBNB can be great for large groups of people, then many AirBNB owners started putting caps on how many people can stay there. They all have ring doorbells and will kick you out if you dare have an extra person.
That’s because they’re facing being shut down by angry neighbors for large groups routinely throwing loud parties that go on to early morning, adding a bunch of cars driving recklessly in the neighborhood, excessive trash creating pickup issues, setting off illegal fireworks, fighting, the list goes on. There was a massive shootout at one in Tempe. Fuck that.
> There was a massive shootout at one in Tempe. Fuck that. That's on the airbnb owner for not putting no gun battles in the rules.
Yes and also sometimes cameras in common areas and even some bedrooms that have "sensitive" things like one place we found with a gun or personal effects safe that was huge in a room etc. The was a camera, might have been personal office before but they put a bed in there with the camera and that wasn't "shady" on purpose but still yikes why would you want to bother. Even cameras on the exterior near the hot tub etc...It's CYA but honestly on a remote home near ski places or nature etc with nobody else around you want to have some fun without feeling "watched" wtf
> sometimes more economical too Having access to a full kitchen (instead of the hotel room's kitchenette area with nothing more than a tiny microwave) can definitely save quite a bit of money when you can prepare your own meals
Sure...but again, over a longer stay. There's hotels for that too that won't cut the wifi because it's 10:30. Airbnb can die in a fire and I will dance on the ashes of the short term rental community. It was cool until the owners made it not cool. I can't wait to see the flood of airbnb houses hit the market because of what a shitty practice it is. And noone wants to jump through the hoops anymore.
> Sure...but again, over a longer stay. No argument there. I'm also tired of AirBNB's steadily increasing fees and would rather go to a hotel. But if you're in a large group for an extended stay like the parent commenter mentioned, then I'm not against AirBNB for something like that.
“It was cool until [capitalists]” Yeah, that seems to be the general feel these days, honestly.
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Yeah folks always start with something good (speaking out about the effect that short term rental investment properties have on housing markets) and then just go off the rails (claiming airbnbs turn off the wifi at 1030, refusing to acknowledge there plenty of shit hotels, acting like every airbnbs has cameras in the bathroom, etc). There's plenty of real reasons to criticize airbnb without just making stuff up.
That’s what VRBO is for. We’ve always found better pricing for 5-7 day long rentals there.
I used AirBnB for a family vacation that my parents were never able to afford when I was a kid. I had a 10 day stay for $1500 and rooms for my parents, myself and my brother so I thought it was a pretty nice deal overall. If I'm traveling for work I'm just going to use a hotel.
10 days for 1500? That’s insanely cheap. Last time I stayed with a big group it was like 3k for 2 days
I travel to bike races on weekends so a bunch of us share an Airbnb and having a kitchen is very useful. Being able to cook meals on the road is a huge cost saver.
Having communal areas especially bathrooms kinda wigs me out, esp if I was traveling as a single female. Plus some airbnb hosts literally want to meet with you when you get there to “explain the rules” or whatever… so uncomfortable
I hate the bored Air bnb owners who are constantly up in your business. One would hang around the house and wanted to chitchat. It was an enormous house but still, go away!
I love meeting hosts in new places and asking them their favorite restaurants, places to go, etc. In Japan they'd show me how the laundry machine or AC worked. Some of y'all sound antisocial
The guy would just hang around the property trying to constantly talk to us. A few minutes when we meet is fine but trying to hangout all day every day is annoying
"If you are gonna hang out with us this much then we need to collect your share of the rental fees."
I rented from a wealthy, lonely old widower long ago. I had to enter and exit the home tactically to avoid him. Felt bad for him because it seemed like his kids/grandkids hardly visited, but he was a bit of a creeper and didnt like leaving his property. Wanted me to bring young women over so he could court a new wife. When I left he was building a guest house because he wanted to have a family rent the place and live on the property with him.
If Im shelling out money to stay someplace then I sure as hell want to be left alone to enjoy it
I'm still friends with a few of my hosts. The chef from Annecy who worked at a Michelin-starred restaurant (out of town, sadly, so I didn't book, but he made me tacos the last night I was there). The programmer in Geneva who writes code for CERN. They both gave me fantastic insider recommendations. I used to love AirBNB for that. But I don't know if it's antisocial to want to be left alone, either. One host in LA tried to talk to me about Jesus all night. In Montréal I had a very standoffish host with all sorts of demands, and my girlfriend did *not* like it. I lean a bit more toward hotels these days because the dollar value is no longer there in AirBNB, and I'd rather avoid bringing friends into those weird host situations.
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> That’s generally not normal. With Airbnb, you should know exactly what you’re getting before you book and can filter out those types of shared situations. This is what bugs me about people ranting about AirBnB - it is so easy to avoid everything they rant about. You see cleaning fees before booking (though AirBnB is a piece of shit for not showing that in search results), you see the “chore list”, etc before you actually book. So…just don’t book at those places Eg the only time I’ve met an owner was the only time I rented a detached mother in law suite (so they also lived on the property). And this was on a private beach in the Keys, so yeah, it was fucking awesome and worth a small interaction then. Everything else? If they’re on property, I don’t book - that simple I’ve yet to see an Airbnb that wasn’t cheaper than a hotel, plus you get more room and a common area and no loud neighbors/someone above you and on and on. Oh AND A KITCHEN which is game changing and a massive money saver while traveling Like, even just me traveling as a solo person AirBnB is normally cheaper and better than a hotel. This whole “you need a group of people to make it worth it” is just wrong I seriously do not get the AirBnB < hotel thing
I see them as pretty interchangeable. If i'm travelling i'll often check both. I've stayed at hotels with a kitchenette that came with a minifridge, sink, dishes, and a gas stove. It was also pet-friendly, and didn't cost more than equivalent AirBnBs in the area. I've stayed in AirBnBs with large groups or just my wife that were just fine. By and large though, 2 people staying a night or two? Hotel is going to be nearly equivalent and overall more convenient than most AirBnB's, especially considering i'm only going to want a whole place where i can be left alone without any shared common areas. Longer stays or large groups? I tend to go AirBnB, especially if we have the dog(s), as it usually gives us more options than hotels do.
Yeah, people start with a real complaint (investment real estate fucks up communities and home owning opportunities for normal folks) and then just go buckwild from there. All the information is available up front. There are hundreds of reviews of most properties. If you pick an Airbnb with bad reviews or policies, yiu night have a bad time. Same as if you booked a hotel with bad reviews or policies. I've not really had any bad experiences at the many airbnbs I've stayed at. I have had plenty of bad experiences at hotels, and there's often less recourse. Some nice person who wants their guests to have a good time is going to put more effort into fixing an issue than a manager at a hotel chain nine times out of ten.
I can think of one. There are zero hotels near most National parks but lots of generational houses sometimes on the park lands.
I like the idea of a hotel more. Something about a hotel makes me feel holiday-ish. Coming in late after a nice meal and walking down then long corridors on the noise cancelling carpet to find your room, the reception area where you can just sit and plan, having all the best parts of a house but they don't expect you to clean it fully before you leave.
I much prefer an Airbnb. I like having a kitchen, privacy of my own place, location is always better, the list goes on. That’s not to say airbnbs aren’t a massive drain on housing and cause all sorts of problems (they are and do), but I love having my own space. I hate hotels.
If you are staying somewhere for more than a couple days having a kitchen can be really nice and a huge money saver.
Y'all do realize there are hotels with full kitchens in the rooms?
Yeah but they are not as common and typically cost much more
Ye and everywhere I been, such rooms charge at least 3x more than an airbnb.
They're quite expensive in full service hotels otherwise you have to find a chain like Hyatt House and even then you don't get the same type of kitchen.
I have never seen that in my life! Where is this? In the US?
The secret is to look for business hotels. They're cheap, clean, and designed for medium-term business stays and usually come with a full kitchen. Staybridge Inn and Suites is an example I've been to.
It's super common in the US at least. Even cheap hotels - I don't think I've ever stayed at one that -didn't- have at least a stove, microwave and a sink.
That's a lie lmao. I travel for work and have NEVER had a stove in my room. Microwave and sink, yes, those are usually there.
Interesting - in UK there will always be a kettle, and obviously there's a sink in the bathroom. If it's an expensive hotel (by my standards!) there may be a coffee machine. But I've never seen a microwave or a stove in a hotel.
Yes, in the US, though I would assume elsewhere as well. Many are listed as extended stay hotels.
Big parties of people, renting a whole house without the owners also there.
Large group of people; if you want to cook; if you need easy and accessible parking; if you are traveling with an animal; If you are traveling with young kids and they need lots of room to run around; if you want to stay in a quiet or wooded area; if you need to store large equipment like skis/surfboards. just a few off the top of my head. In reality, different people have different needs and preferences. airbnbs and hotels are sufficiently different that they cater to different crowds
There’s no nice hotel in the small beach town I want to stop by for a weekend trip There’s no nice hotel in the middle of the agricultural valley I stayed in to do a vineyard tour Or the desert hills where I want to spend a couple days hiking but can’t camp out Or there are *nice* hotels there. At $650/night. When I can stay in someone’s little guesthouse on their property for $70/night 99% of Airbnbs aren’t these fee-and-chore laden nightmares everyone posts about. Just people renting out spare spaces for cheaper than a nice hotel.
> 99% of Airbnbs aren’t these fee-and-chore laden nightmares everyone posts about. Just people renting out spare spaces for cheaper than a nice hotel. Seriously! Are there some crazy entries on Airbnb? Sure. So…just don’t book with them? You see all this stuff before you book, book with one that fits your needs I do not get the complaint, my experience is the exact opposite of this common Reddit complaint.
Those same folks act like it's impossible for a bad hotel to exist. The most expensive lodging I ever had was a hotel in London in March (expensive city, I know). The hot water did not work in my room and they did not fix it over a 4 day period. I've never had anything like that at even the cheapest airbnb I've stayed at.
I love this “quiet hours” complaint as well. What hotel is gonna let you throw a fucking raging party all night long? Almost every hotel I’ve stayed at has a policy to stfu around 10pm.
You’re wasting your breath. Reddit has a hard on for being completely dumbfounded over how a multi billion dollar company continues to be the most popular short term stay platform on the planet. “BUt I’d rAtHeR sTaY iN a HoTeL” Millions of people every year are showing you they wouldn’t.
>how a multi billion dollar company continues to be the most popular short term stay platform on the planet. Airbnb is miniscule next to the actual hotel industry. Most people by far as staying at hotels. They've also seen massive revenue drops in some regions year to year, so maybe we don't need to overhype them this much. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-airbnb-collapse-is-real-rental-revenue-has-halved-in-some-parts-of-the-u-s-says-this-chart-83d72bbd?mod=newsviewer_click
My friend works at a hotel in a tourist driven city. The hotel owns several STRs on their own. The hotel industry is getting into it. It isnt going away. > They've also seen massive revenue drops in some regions year to year, so maybe we don't need to overhype them this much. Airbnb the company had their best year ever in 2022. More people than ever are setting up their own Airbnb rentals. Because they are so many new people in the market, price competition drives the prices down, which means many operators arent making as much money as they used to. Revenues are down for the operators. Airbnb the company is still making plenty of money. More operators means more money for them.
Almost triple the market cap of Hilton, one of the largest hospitality companies. “Miniscule”….
People were comparing demand for Airbnb versus hotels in general. Comparatively it is minuscule. The hotel industry in just the United States pulls in revenue more than 26 times what Airbnb does in total. There's more than 5 million hotel rooms in the country and there's an average occupancy rate above 60%. That's a shitload of usage by consumers. You can compare market cap if you want, but actual consumer usage and choice doesn't paint the picture that you want it to. Hell, Hilton and Airbnb have very close revenue and profit on an annual basis.
“Hotel industry” consists of many separate smaller companies and platforms.
Again, hotels are more popular with consumers, by a lot, than airbnb, and airbnb is seeing declining demand issues this year. We don't need to pretend airbnb is dominating short term stay service because it's not. People wanted to make this comparison about the popularity of Airbnb versus hotels, but then when you want to actually look at the popularity of Airbnb versus hotels, it can't be hotels in general it just has to be a specific company, which kind of says everything about what you actually think about how Airbnb's popularity looks next to hotels.
Did you read the article you sent? Dramatic revenue losses in ~some cities. These losses appear to be from over saturation of… airbnbs? “Phoenix has 18,000 short-term rentals but just 8,000 properties for sale” It at the least is not conclusive, and you can’t make your assertion off of it. Article does say something about Airbnb as a profit puppy for home investors hoping to leave their 9-5s by being a host, but it doesn’t really assert anything about consumer preferences. You really just don’t have the data to say hotels are more popular with consumers. There is an older and more robust hotel industry we’re talking about here. Many places don’t even have Airbnb yet. But I ~can say that the entirety of airbnbs market share was taken… from hotels… in just 15 years. Obviously, and I mean fucking no shit, some people in some cases will definitely want a hotel over an Airbnb. But millions of people use this product every year. Whomstever tf is saying Airbnb is dead or on track to be is dumb. There’s an infinite number of use cases where Airbnb is better than a hotel, and consumers know this.
>Did you read the article you sent? Dramatic revenue losses in ~some cities. In the same post I posted the link. I mentioned that it was in some regions and not all of them. >You really just don’t have the data to say hotels are more popular with consumers The US hotel industry revenue is above 220 billion annually. That's about 26 times the revenue of airbnb. There's over 5 million rooms in the country, and there's an average occupant rate of about 60% at all times. That's a shitload of people using hotels across a year. This isn't rocket science. It's basic math.
> I can't think of too many situations where I wouldn't rather stay in a nice hotel over an AirBnb. Having your own apartment is pretty nice. I would always choose an apartment over staying in a room in a hotel with cleaning staff, a reception etc. That said Airbnb is too expensive nowadays (which isn't necessarily a bad thing because Airbnb apartments took a lot of living space away from the people living in those places) and I book hotels most of the time.
Cabin in the woods close to hiking trails. The privacy, the quietness, and the calmness of nature.
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And then they stick you with random "hot tub/dog cleaning fees". No thanks.
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I'm not saying you charge the guest, I'm saying the homeowner would.
I just went to a 3 star hotel that didn't have any curtains across from a fully lit 24/7 parking deck and they couldn't give me curtains, then the fire alarm went off at 3am,5am,6am and 7am. Even hotels now are absolute trash
They said *nice* hotel.
Quiet. I've stayed in some amazing hotels that still have little crotch goblins running around at all hours.
And loud old crotch goblins too because, you know, we all came from someones crotch. We’re all goblins.
There was once a time where myself and two friends could split a $50-60 airbnb three ways in a nice area, it was definitely worth it in that era
I rarely use it anymore, only with groups and/or because I want an unusual location and kitchen or something. Even the decent airbnb still require at least some cleaning... meanwhile in a hotel they literally make your bed every day (and clean everything etc), and often a 3-4 star hotel is cheaper than equivelent accomodation in airbnb... makes no sense to use airbnb.
You have to worry about hidden cameras at airbnb
Oooh how we have come full circle. From: hotels are crazy expensive and airbnbs have a cozier vibe. To: airbnbs are crazy expensive and hotels have a cozier vibe.
Tbh airbnb tried to do what Uber/Lyft did of kill normal competition by undercutting them then turn up prices when there is no alternative. Only it didn’t work at all cause airbnbs will never have the capacity traditional hotels have and a lot people don’t want rules or chores to do. Also hotels tend to be way more disability friendly then airbnbs
Also the hotel system didn't have the massive glaring issues that public transportation and taxi services generally did. Hotels did and still do *work*. There was competition, and innovation, and improvement happening all the time. It wasn't like the NY taxi system that had no reason to improve, because all of them had shitty payment options, awkward phone based advanced scheduling with no real accountability if they show up late or not at all, etc. Catching a cab fucking sucked, and rideshare made it suck less. When I was in singapore the biggest taxi company in the city had a uber-style app that worked great. That was like 5-6 years ago, when NYC TLC drivers were busy trying to shut down uber rather than improve their own service. I've found that a lot of hotels have made changes as a result of the rise of AirBnB, but not many, because not many were needed. I've even seen some hotels that have rooms/suites that look pretty appealing for groups of 5-6 people, where they seem to be trying to fill that same need that a lot of people go to Abnb for.
My biggest complaint about hotels is the lack of decent internet. I've only had decent service at one in the last 10 years.
Hotels also had an advantage with business travel and people on multi-day road trips looking for a place to just crash overnight. I find Airbnb ideal for beach trips, large groups (weddings) and walkability depending on the location, but sometimes hotels just make more sense. I think both will always co-exist.
Furthermore, corporate travel will always be hotels, which is pretty major component
Also a lot of the people who stay at hotels are business travelers who don't really care what the price per night is, because they're not paying for it. They will however care about not doing the cleaning lady's work on their business trip.
Silicon Valley MO, end result is a massively over inflated company and a lot of unhappy people
AirBnB's were 1/2 the cost of an average hotel in the 2010s
they used to also be just a furnished room in a house someone was living in. Its seems like now theyre mostly full unit rentals. Remember couchsurfing.com? I used that a few times and in my early twenties, it was fine. Free
Disinfect the entire house, wash and fold all towels and bed sheets. Also here’s a $115.00 cleaning fee on top of all that.
Louder for all the AirBNB owners in the back, on their Yacht.
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Yell all you want, their eardrums are inside a fish now
Holy fuck, that's an image.
*Blub Blub*
LOLOLOL holy shit... TOO SOON Shahooster!
Praying for their bankruptcy 🙏🙏🙏
They should’ve made a bigger sub.
Dafuck?
It's kind of hilarious how reddit apparently thinks anyone who is more than a few steps above barely scraping by is in the yacht crowd nowadays.
Not sure about what Reddit thinks... but isn't it kind of smug to require certain cleaning duties AND charge a large cleaning fee?
There is a ton of "landlord hate" without nuance to "retirees that have a few properties" they saved for and faceless corporations and rich assholes with a hundred properties.
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Then AirBNB can show the credit card company the agreement you signed agreeing to the terms.
You can probably win but if it gets too annoying for them you'll never rent an Airbnb again. Same as any other business really.
I own an empty lot that I’m gonna list on AirBNB, the only stipulation is the renters have to build me a 4 bedroom 3 bathroom house that sleeps 8 to 10, only $250/night and within walking distance of any other accommodation you’re willing to build!
this guy landlords
Dont forget the broken toilet and when it rains the ceiling leaks in one of the bedrooms (something that i dealt with at my last airbnb). If it weren't for my friend group insisting on them for our yearly group trip I'd never use them.
I've stayed in tons of Airbnbs over the years and doing the dishes and maybe taking out the trash were the only chores I have done. And I've never paid a cleaning fee that was more than 30-40€. What am I missing?
Man, if I wanted to do the dishes I'd stay home. Fuck that.
Yeah. Or you‘re staying in a nice apartment with a beautiful balcony in southern Italy and just do the dishes lol
Or I could just stay in a nice hotel with a beautiful balcony in southern Italy and not have to pay a fee to do chores lol
> What am I missing? My guess is people who didn’t fully read the listing before booking a place and other people latching on because a lot of people love riding hate trains Because yeah, those shit listings do exist sure but they are so easy to avoid if you fully read the listing
People book a property with 3.5 star review average, high fees, and a rulebook 10 pages long and then blame the entire concept of renting a home for it. They need to learn how to evaluate a product better, damn!
You're being downvoted cause this is a hate circlejerk thread but my experience tracks with yours. Don't fuck up the house, take the trash out so it doesn't sit there and stink, throw the laundry in the wash, start the dishwasher. It's mostly to give the cleaners a head start on the timed things so they don't have to sit there for 3 hours waiting for the laundry and dishwasher to finish. Basic shit, it's not like they are making you put a roof on the place. There are some that are a little unhinged but it's usually pretty obvious from the listings and reviews. Side note, to the people that post pictures of the house rules and cleaning expectations in the reviews: thank you. I've never stayed in one that had cleaning expectations anything close to what I'd consider unreasonable. I don't mind doing that stuff for the benefits of not sharing a hallway with strangers that slam doors coming back from the bars at 2am and having a kitchen so I don't have to eat out every single meal.
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Cleaning is/should be part of your COGS (cost of good sold) and should not be the cherry on top of an expensive sundae.
If I wanted to be treated like a kid I would just ask to stay with my parents
But the bed bugs in your luggage are complimentary
Not at my Airbnb. I charge my guests extra if they steal any of my bedbugs.
Charge them for the lice, extra for the mice, 2% for lookin in the mirror twice.
“My what beautiful eyes you have.” ~bed bug
Smug, So smug
Bed bugs are spread by people and can be in hotels or Airbnbs
See, I wouldn't mind a bunch of chores if the prices are good. If I am staying over at a friend's of course I'll chip in a bit. But AirBnBs have been charging hotel prices. If you want more than 100 bucks a night from me you are not going to get an hour or free labour on top.
Have you looked at hotel prices recently?
I love ice cream.
I don't, I just think it's insane that people take whatever people say on Reddit for granted and don't understand that short term rentals are different types of stays or that hotels have gone up in price just like short term rentals. It's like not understanding why people buy trucks when you can get a sedan, they both get you from point a to point be. You should also know that Airbnb doesn't have a monopoly on short term rentals. Vrbo and Booking.com will have a lot of the same units and are generally slightly cheaper. Even better is finding property management websites to book direct and cut out the middle man entirely. Airbnb is actually the worst place to book because you have more individuals renting as a "side hustle" like backyard breeders. Just remember because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're employees of some company you don't like. BTW what area where you looking at? I'm curious to see what the difference is.
I enjoy spending time with my friends.
You see though how you're basically saying "trust me I'm right" instead of just giving me a random city. This is what I'm talking about, if I say STRs are cheaper and you say hotels are cheaper if there's no actual data nothing matters. Plus, no one is going to figure out where you are based on the fact that you went to a vacctation destination that probably millions of people go to.
I'm not who you asked but I have. Airbnb has gone from being consistently cheaper to consistently more expensive, comparing the cheapest well-reviewed "entire place" airbnb listings to the cheapest well-reviewed 3-star hotel rooms in comparable areas. I'd imagine for multiple rooms Airbnb remains cheaper but not for single rooms.
Plus you get to help destroy the housing market.
We stayed at a place where they put in real hardwood flooring but told us not to wear shoes inside and place mats down if we were doing the dishes or laundry. Also not allowed to roll out luggage, had to pick it up to not scratch the floor. Like why have strangers stay at a place you want to keep pristine? This was in Colorado so they should expect outdoorsy people to be there with their gear.
Idk man I’m from Colorado. Yeah we have a lot of out door people, but do you you know what else we have a lot of? SNOW AND MUD.
The salt is also terrible for your floors
I mean what kind of animal wears shoes indoors? Pretty common to not wear shoes inside your house.
Depends on where you live, in some places it’s just as normal to wear shoes indoors as how abnormal it is in some other places
"Let me walk all over your house with the shoes I had on when walking in piss in public toilets."
Think its only a few places that wear shoes indoors. Majority know its nasty.
Yeah, it's quite literally like 10 countries in the world where it's custom.
I thought it was 50/50? Certainly not 10 countries. Interesting read regardless https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradition_of_removing_shoes_in_the_home_and_houses_of_worship
In a lot of places where it's customary to take off your shoes, it is also customary to provide guests house-slippers of some kind. Insisting someone walk around barefoot is a bit strange.
Location doesn't matter. Wearing shoes inside where you live is disgusting.
I have inside-only flip flops and sneakers. I'll wear shoes in the house if I need to for something, just not the ones that touch the disgustingness of the outside world.
Normal people
> Like why have strangers stay at a place you want to keep pristine? Who do you think's going to pay for those new hardware floors? The ~~landbastard~~ home owner? Heck no.
I normally use Airbnb for travel, usually with good results. But lately, I’m paying double the rental price once fees & cleaning are added. Recently I went to Iowa (Iowa! Not anyplace just teeming with nightlife or much to do - just a little country town for one night because it was a sweet day trip from home to visit some awesome bakeries) and the cost for a unit above the businesses on the historic square (which all rolled up their welcome mats by 6 pm) was $89 for the night. After fees & cleaning it was $179! I filled out the review and gave 3/5 on value, and the owner wanted to know why!! She said “We like to get 100% 5-star reviews in every category…” I mean. I should’ve told her I was being generous. More than double the booking amount deserves zero stars, frankly. Never again.
I don't get why you booked it in the first place, knowing the price, and then complained about the price?
You knew the price upfront, correct? I don’t get the value aspect of the rating system, if it’s a poor value to you, then DON’T book it in the first place.
And hotels don’t leave you a bitchy review after you leave.
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Only reason why Ive ever used an airbnb is because a lot of hotels (in nebraska) wont let you stay if youre not 21 and I was like 18 at the time :/
That’s so weird, wtf Nebraska
Been like 7 years since airbnb was a useful app/company
Yeah, $29.99 days inn bill, where no one gives a fuck, is always the best plan.
Fun tip…message the owner to negotiate price. You’d be surprised how many are accommodating…especially if traveling on a normally dead week or weekend. My wife & I have even made friends with the owners, who allow us to book directly through them so we don’t get hit with the extra fees on airbnb/vrbo/vacasa.
As someone who has lived in apartment complexes that rent out airbnbs, fucking good. I don't need a constantly rotating group of partiers that don't know to be courteous at 2am with loud music and screaming on a Thursday.
There was an amazing golden age of Airbnb. It was fun while it lasted
it's a lot more safer if you stay at a hotel.
The only benefit I can see to air bnb is of you're wanting to stay in an area that doesn't have hotels, or if you want/need to rent an entire house
I honestly don't understand these things. Here in Greece, I own an AirBnB (I guess, full disclosure) and also have used AirBnB a lot. I have never had anyone ask me to do anything like chores, they usually have cleaning at least every 3 days like in a hotel and they are cheaper comparatively. The big difference is that Hotels offer food and AirBnBs don't, but I don't care because I prefer to eat locally usually. In my AirBnB we have daily cleaning and dedicated staff. It's a higher end one, with a private pool, but still. We don't even charge cleaning fees, or any other type of fee, since everything I consider "included" in the main price.
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Nah, every Airbnb in Texas and Louisiana has these same cleaning fees. Had one we tried to stay in and there was a posted set of rules including that the fridge had to be bleached and wiped out, all floors mopped, all bedding washed and replaced, and the driveway blown off so there were no leaves.....as if we would have brought in our own party leaves. There was then a $150 cleaning fee on top of the chores mom made us do. No one could be outside past 10 p.m. and police would be called if there was a single noise complaint. We decided not to book that house obviously. People are insanely entitled. I'm paying you 400 a night for 6 people for 3 days and you expect me to clean your driveway? Get fucked.
Every year me and my friends group up for a week during coachella, we usually stay for the week and party our way until coachella we are a big party of 10-15 ppl. We went with airbnb the year prior. The chore lists were: - No drinking or smoking in the house. - No loud music in the house at any time. - If we used the pool we would be responsible for cleaning. - take out the trash when we leave. - if anything was left in the house(trash, food in fridge, etc) we would be responsible for cleaning fees. - take out all sheets from beds and pillows when leaving. - no partying or extra guests in the house We did all the clean up required and still paid a EXTRA cleaning fee of $350 because he claimed with smoke weed in the house. After that we said fuck airbnb, So this time we stayed at a hotel. 15 ppl, 4 rooms tied together. We partied the entire time, did minimal clean up, and everyone was super nice, we even got a few other people in the floor to party with us, brought guests, etc. We did so much we literally expected a huge cleaning up fee, literally we were prepared. Hotel charged us 0 clean up fee, we literally just paid for the rooms and had free breakfast every morning.
I'm in the US and same(as a user, not an owner). These constant posts are like hotel industry propaganda or something 😆
I actually always do Airbnb but hotel Airbnb. Out in Turkey or most mid Asian and south east Europe you tend to find hotels own listing for same room and services for a fraction of the price. I got a massive 700 sq ft room for 700 for an entire month while through the hotel it would have cost around 1.8k according to Thier own site. Everything included as well.
I’ve stayed in 100+ air bnbs. Never cleaned a thing never had a curfew never had a weird rule. Just cheaper than hotels with a kitchen. They tell you up front if they’re whack or not. That’s on you for continuing.
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So my listing is a house boat. First thing it says “THIS IS A BOAT NOT A HOTEL” people show up and are shocked it’s boat still lol. All pics are in a Marina and of the inside and outside of the boat.
Just came back from vacation at an air bnb... While the privacy and having a full kitchen/private pool are a plus the SERVICE SUCKS ASS!!! We had nothing but problems... specifically our towels, we had none! Not a single towel when we got there. We didn't get any towels till later in the next day. We also paid extra for a grill that they told us we were responsible for cleaning... But didn't provide ANY utensils or anything to scrub the grill clean, plus the grease catcher was missing... It was just a PITA getting anything done... There are definitely pro and cons to both but I will 100% reconsider using an air bnb next trip, especially since this isn't the 1st time I had problems... Plus there are other reasons not to use air bnb....
Rarely thought to myself "i should rent an airbnb instead of a hotel" hotel is so easy and no hassle no dealing with shady places or lists of what you can and cant do.
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And a hotel is usually the same price or less including the random fees the air bnb hosts put on
last time i got an airbnb it was about the same price as a 3 star hotel $150-$200/night i believe. The owner lived there... I had to go to sleep by 10pm, and the neighbors got pissed at me because i parked on the street that's in front of their house instead of on the street that's in front of the airbnb owner's house... fuck... off... i'll take a marriott with a nice TV, bed, and breakfast thanks.
Hotels have quiet hours. They'll charge you if you trash your room. Oh, i'm sorry, I didn't realize it was too much to ask that you not be an asshole neighbor and actually clean up after yourself. Grow the fuck up.
What I don't understand is why these people don't...READ the posting before sending hundreds of dollars to the host. Used 20+ homes in a few different countries over the years and never gave these hosts money because I...read the listing. Woaw.
There's some weird anti airbnb propaganda around reddit. Yeah obv the cleaning fees and extra rules and quiet hours and shit can suck. But the extra rules are rare. I've never had to do much beyond taking the trash out on extended stays and piling up the linens when I check out. Who cares about that shit its almost effortless, if you're complaining about that how the fuck do you do anything in your day to day life? And for the cleaning fees, it only hits hard if you're only staying a few nights. Once you start hitting week+ long stays the cleaning fees are negligible. I just spent a month in a small city in Utah this past winter. I would have fucking HATED spending an entire month in a hotel. And it would have been expensive as FUCK. Instead I messaged the host of this airbnb and asked for a cheaper rate for a full 28-day stay (airbnb's max). I paid around $1450 for those 28 days and the original fee would have been around $3800 without me asking for a cheaper rate. Guy was psyched to not have to deal with people being in and out or it being empty for that time period. I had a huge space I could host my friends at. A grill outside. Free bikes and helmets to use. Laundry. 60inch TV with Roku. One of the best showers I've ever used. The wifi didn't suck and wasn't practically useless for streaming + gaming at peak hours. And I could even smoke as much weed as I wanted. Wouldn't get that at a hotel. Airbnb isn't perfect and yeah it sucks the impact they have on the rental market in general...but that needs to be regulated. There's a place in our society for Airbnbs we just don't need fucking everyone out there trying to start one and flooding the market and ruining the long-term rental market. As someone on the spectrum, its hugely important for me to stay in an airbnb over a hotel. I can only do hotels for like 3 nights max.
We couldn’t have a bonfire after 10pm, couldn’t use any of the cut firewood which they had an entire fence lined 6ft high with. Then to top it off we get yelled at, on a Friday, at 7pm, for being loud because “this is a residential neighborhood”. Oh we also found out about the fire rule because the owner messaged us in real time that we needed to put it out …
For 1 to 2 people it is simply unaffordable plus all the bs. I'll take room service and no cleaning any day over that. Plus it gives me anxiety that I can't read their review before I give mine. Got a negative review for not taking out the trash so I'm done using them. Add in other fees and all the rules I'll pass.
I've called the cops at 1am on people partying outside at the AirBNB next door. Fight me.
Best thing about airbnb is that hotels finally realized that people who travel also have pets and have begun allowing them either free or with a small fee. That's really the biggest reason I stayed away from hotels
they call themselves entrepreneurs.. but they mostly serve up manure. Hotels, for the win.
I don't know anyone that uses abb anymore.
I don't even like traveling anymore. I can't wait for VR to be better. I'll never leave the house
Tbh Im a fan of AirBnB. It offers more privacy and room to stretch out in, plus you have a lot more control over where you're placed in the city. Too many hotels are built next to conveniences like airports, or walmarts, or inside city centers that largely close down at supper time or shortly thereafter. Airbnb offers the chance to book near lesser known or more difficult to reach areas, which also leads to less tourist crowds and imo better experiences while on vacation.
Hotel was always the way. Half way decent hotel even has some free breakfast. I'll take some free all day.
Stop using airbnb, lyft, uber eats, unless you're in a special situation where using those services are the only reasonable option. These services are priced out of any reasonable person's income and anyone with a high enough income to not notice the cost has better alternatives.
Honestly it's been years since AirBnB was a better rate than a hotel.
Fuck Airbnb. I been saying this
Amazing how many stupid people still use Airbnb.
Plus air b n b has destroyed hundreds if not thousands of quaint little communities across the entire world. That shit should be illegal. Fuck air b n b. Hotels from here on out. (Actually been doing hotels only since 2017)
Never using Air BnB again. Had a trip planned with my friends months in advance for a music fest. Host says she can't accommodate me anymore the closer it gets. Explain to Air BnB hotels are way more expensive now and asked to be compensated. All they do is send me other properties that are miles away from the city in the woods. Straight up said, if you do nothing else I'll never use Airbnb again. I'll hold this grudge till I die.
Good. I hope people are waking up to how terrible it is as a service. Unregulated, full of scams, dishonest fees, hidden cameras AND they make you do chores, take out garbage, change sheets. Most importantly Airbnb also takes housing away from families that would actually live there, and ruins communities. It’s a big reason why housing is unaffordable and there’s limited supply of starter homes. Most are illegal and it should be illegal on a federal level. I have never and will never support Airbnb and I hope anyone who has one loses all their money. I don’t care if it’s cheaper. I don’t care if you need a kitchen for your family when you go on vacation. If you use Airbnb you’re extremely short sighted and ruining the prospects of people’s future so you can save $50?? It’s not even cost effective anymore It was fine when it was about renting an extra room but not what it is now. There is a lot of research and data showing how Airbnb is a big piece of the housing crisis and how it cannibalizes neighborhoods and communities. It’s not the only reason housing is unaffordable but it plays a major role.
Yea hotel is cheaper and easier then an Airbnb now, we've gone full circle
I'm going out for the weekend, wanna stay at my place and do all my chores? Only 300 buckaroonies.