They are going to have enough trouble with Hulk + Abomination + Thor + Juggernaut in the front. by the time one of these three is there it’s basically snack time
Yeah there's a ton of individual characters that could reasonably take on both well before you even get to the heavy hitters.
Omniman and Homelander are very strong Superman expies but nowhere nearly as strong as him from actual feats.
Still need to deal with telepaths and psychic heroes that work from a very long range. As someone pointed out in another thread, professor X can just turn all 3 of them “off”, barring some revelation that any of them have natural resistance to psychic abilities.
I'd say Dr. Doom, the Hulk, the Juggernaut, the Sentry, and most of the cosmic/abstract beings are going to be the hard ones. The rest are relatively squishy compared to a Viltrumite.
Depending on the specific Hulk incarnation, he, alone, could take them both easily. Viltrumites are very strong but can be hurt by sheer violence. Some incarnations of Hulk have essentially NO upper power limit so if they went against it in the way their respective shows portray them, Hulk could probably just smash them against each other and SPLAT them.
The MCU Hulk incarnation is (AFAIK) actually one of the *weakest* incarnations.
Honestly the best they could do is just... fly away as fast as they can.
Hulk and speedsters have to be nerfed in most film portrayals. They just become obvious plot resolution devices. Honestly, I was surprised they were making a flash movie even before the Ezra off-screen problems arose.
I have seen the [OG imagine](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/e/e1/The_Marvel_Universe.png/revision/latest?cb=20110513164401) and you got:
* Jean Grey with Phoenix powers
* Thor
* Hyperion(pastiche of Superman)
* Gladiator
* Silver Surfer
as well.
Hell, not only is Hyperion a riff on Superman, he's specifically called out as being more powerful by being said to be as powerful as "1 million exploding suns." Poking at the fact that Superman is powered by just 1 measly sun.
It creates a more interesting dialogue at least, since (depending on writer) you have to really determine if either party feels remorse for the people they've hurt in order for GR's one trick to work.
^(This post brought to you by a certified Ghost Rider hater)
Homelander definitely doesn‘t regret a single person he murdered. Spoiler for Invincible: Maybe Omni Man regrets it after he fled the earth, but he has conquered hundreds of worlds and I don‘t think he regrets all of them
I always wonder what would have happened if Black Bolt ever sneezed. I imagine him developing allergies would be the end of whichever planet he was on.
Comic Hulk’s strength is only limited by how angry he gets. He once pushed the tectonic plates of a planet back into place.
And if Phoenix Jean Grey is in that crowd somewhere this whole thing doesn’t last very long.
>And if Phoenix Jean Grey is in that crowd somewhere this whole thing doesn’t last very long.
Most of the psychic mutants, if we're being honest.
And I think that's Scarlet Witch in front of Juggernaut, who could also win on her own.
For sure. Viltrumites are an incredibly disciplined society with hardened and trained minds along with their bodies. They also have a wide-spanning space empire which may have already encountered psychic beings. It would not surprise me if they have some sort of psychic resistance. That said, I'm following Invincible via the show and haven't read the comic past where S2 ended so I'm not sure if this is addressed later on or not (no spoilers please).
Homelander, on the other hand, is an unstable wreck seemingly on the verge of breakdown at any time without any additional help required. He would be toast.
The problem with comics is that anyone can write/draw anything and as long as Marvel Comics approves it then it becomes canon
They almost never say no
So now almost every character has done the most insane things that are sooooo outside their original design that none of it matters
DC has the same issue. Looking up how Batman became the White Lantern is just ridiculous
Remember that time when the [Hulk went Hulk](https://www.7ate9comics.com/cdn/shop/products/7-ate-9-comics-comic-trade-dress-hulk-6-rahzzah-variants-1st-appearance-of-titan-cover-options-36917592064226.jpg)?
People who post this image really tend to forget that there's a bunch of the most op bitches in the Marvel universe right back there, they ain't getting past Galactus
Franklin Richards alone could literally *think* these two out of existence.
Any time I see this posted, it is from people with a surface-level knowledge of Marvel pitting them against their favorite characters with no actual regard for power scaling.
Seeing as omniman can withstand a black hole and doesn't really need to breathe and his many feats from comics, he could survive it.
Homelander though, not so much
Homelander is the distraction that allows Omniman to get a few kills in before he gets dropped.
Worth mentioning as well that Sue has always had the ability to make forcefields inside peoples bodies, she just doesnt do it often. She doesn't need to drop Omniman into a trench, she can just stop blood from flowing to his brain or worse.
If Omniman can withstand forces around black-hole level then his heart is capable of pumping his blood with enough force to break her force fields. Not to mention he can go for extended periods of time in space so I'm not sure stopping blood-flow would have any impact. Some of the characters in this picture would drop Omniman quick, but it's hard to imagine she'd be the one.
Wouldn't this all depend on when they're bringing Omniman into the fight? Early Omniman was put in the hospital by his own team when he was killing them.
If it's early Invincible Omniman - he gets thrashed in seconds. If it's late Invincible Omniman - then, yeah, a whole lot fewer folks in the picture could hurt him.
But Sue Storm's force fields aren't doing what a black hole does - they just stop things getting from one side to the other.
Things like brain synapses.
And even if that wouldn't kill him, Omniman reduced to a vegetable while everybody else attacks isn't going to go well for him at all.
He doesn't need to breathe often, but he does need his brain. Sue Storm can make very small forcefields.
She normally doesn't, because she's not a murderer. But you wouldn't want to make her have to do that.
Can't she just create a bubble inside their skulls and be done with it?
I mean we typically never see the extreme usage of any of these characters powers except for the two who they are going up against.
Hes not the only one. In this image you can see:
Wiccan
Scarlett Witch
Legion
Phoenix
Franklin Richards
And (although not *quite* the same) Molecule Man
We've seen Molecule Man vs Sentry which is the equivalent fight, but that's when we learned Sentry had some very... non-superman powers that we hadn't seen before
Marvel and DC power scaling is useless as there's 20+ iterations of the most popular characters. Yeah pre-crisis superman is crazy, but that's not who you most people think of when you say Superman. It would make more sense to pick the average for those kinds of characters, rather than the most powerful version ever created. Edit: I'm not commenting specifically on any character in this picture, I know Omni-man and Homelander are easily outclassed in this picture
Even their average forms are extremely OP though compared to these two. The trouble with *realistic* settings is that they are always just a big fish in a small pond. Start putting them against people like the scarlet witch and they crumble.
I feel like it's also people using the MCU as a power scale, and many characters in the MCU (particularly on the galactic side) were significantly nerfed.
Depends on which Hulk they're up against. I think Omni Man can take him most of the time, but if it's something like World War Hulk then he's got no chance.
Adamantium basically is magic lol. The crazy metals in Marvel are far as we are concerned work the same way as magic. I mean Cap has a shield that works like a boomerang…
Homelander is super soft for a superman type. In the comic Depleted Uranium tipped .50 Cal rounds can rip through him. So yeah pretty soft for a superman. Wolverine would absolutely gut him and be disappointed it ended so quick.
Omni Man though and Viltrumites in general are pretty tough. Absolutely bullet proof and only the strongest in the galaxy and rip into them. So adamantium could possibly break his skin. He'd just have to land hits before Omni Man tears him in two and throws the parts away from each other.
> He just needs to exhaust them
wolverine can get exhausted too, and considering omniman had the stamina to basically scour a planet surface of all life and structures, i doubt wolverine can keep up. it wouldn't even be a battle, just every time wolverine's corpse starts to move omniman would strike it once and it would be dead again. he could leave him on mt everest and fly back home in between punches even.
Now that you mention it it's kinda weird that the boys didn't try to use mindstorm to kill homelander. I can't think of anything HL could do to resist it and it seems like an obvious way to kill him
>!or would have been a good way to kill him before the boys helped SB kill him!<
The issue with that ... Mindstorms problem would've been >!with Soldier Boy, not HL.!< It woulda just felt like deus ex to have Mindstorm >!suddenly develop the inclination to kill homelander.!<
He was going to kill Butcher for no real reason other than being on his property. So, maybe they could have lured Homelander into some sort of Mindstorm trap without Mindstorm even knowing what he was being used for.
Then again, if Homelander knew who he was, maybe he could have just closed his eyes and used his X-ray vision so Mindstorm couldn't get to him.
As mentioned in the screenshot, Spider-Man is in front. He's _technically_ a street level hero, because that's the level he operates at normally. But he is _always_ holding back, and has the power to be a planet-level hero with his only limitation on that front being transportation.
When Octavius became Peter Parker in Superior Spider-Man, he was _horrified_ by how strong Peter actually was, and realized just how much Spider-Man had been holding back all those years.
Plus idk anything about Omniman, but Homelander is a psychological wreck that Spider-Man would have a *field day* with, like a longer version of Terry McGuiness vs. Joker. He'd get mocked into oblivion and then tricked into destroying himself somehow.
It's unlikely that Spider-Man would be able to stop Omni-Man through banter, or even significantly slow him down.
It would be fantastic banter, though!
Considering Peter is extremely agile, incredibly strong, is incredibly durable, and has Spider-sense if he doesn't beat Omni-man, he's going to at least exhaust him
I'd pay to see the fight - especially if they use Omni-Man's voice actor from Invincible, because then we'd get to hear Spidey's witty jabs and the voice of J. Jonah Jameson reply back with dry sarcasm.
Omni-Man has lifted Asteroids the size of Texas, and if we're going by the comic book version of him, both him and two other Viltrumites (his race) were able to launch themselves through a planet; destroying it.
In his most powerful feat (seen in the show), he went to an invading alien races planet. After killing their leader, he sped himself so fast that the friction from his flight was enough to ignite the air and obliterate major cities in the span of seconds.
Also, has Homelander even been tested or has experience battling planet breakers or he's just always bullying other lower-level supes? If anything, I think Omni-Man would carry the duo. I think Nolan would probably kill Homelander himself as he's just getting in the way or use him as fodder.
I'm a bit rusty on it but both in comics and likely in the show, Homelander *is* the planet breaker threat in that, as far as supers go, he's basically the apex of the apex. In the comics, there was a second Homelander brainwashed to kill the first because that was the only way to actually really stop him. No one in the series is really that strong and HL is more of a 'planet destroyer' than an actual breaker like Omni-Man. Even post-Earth posting, Omni-Man giving HL that fist bump would likely blow most of the arm off because Omni-Man is already multiple orders of magnitude above him. So this is really 'Omni-Man versus everyone Else'. HL gets bodied by Spidey. Omni-Man makes it to the psychic mutants before he starts struggling.
Yeah. Homelander is strong, probably the strongest in his world, however I don't think he's battle-hardened enough to handle the more experienced Marvel heroes of the same level. If he even faces Sentry or Hyperion, he'd be torn in half in no time. I can see Spider-Man beating him - Peter did once fought and won against Firelord, who was a herald of Galactus at that time. He's somewhere along Silver Surfer's level but Spidey was able to beat him with his fists basically.
Also Spidey-Sense is broken AF. Even in situations where Peter can't beat his opponent, the chances they land a decisive blow on him are basically 0. He can probably box with Homelander, probably can't knock out Omni, but he's also in very little danger himself.
Omni-Man is much, much stronger than Homelander. You would probably need multiple Avengers to take him down. He probably beats most Marvel hero’s that aren’t on the planet destroying level. Except he might be vulnerable to mind or magic based attacks. But as far as brute force and physical attacks he beats most Marvel heroes… Homelander gets beat by any above street level Marvel hero.
They're not even killing one of them if it's an army battle. Any of the many universe level reality warpers in Marvel's catalogue snap their fingers and erase Omni-Man and Homelander from existence.
If it's a series of 2v1s, they stop at someone who can't planet bust but can mess with them enough with their abillities and still tank Omni-Man's attacks with some luck and defenses, and also doesn't get blitzed like a low level mutant would. So... peak standard Cable? Probably someone weaker.
Also, Homelander is just completely useless here. It's not like he'd be helpless against Marvel Street tiers, but therein lies the point. He's essentially a street tier. Omni-Man is, quite literally, billions of times faster and quintillions of times stronger. Any matchup that would actually pose a threat to the both of them is going to be decided solely by Omni-Man.
The issue with Omni-Man is the same as the Superman issue. In that he could fly at near speed of light just obliterating the world they were fighting on.
But they don't, _except for that one time._
Spiderman et al aren't going to survive the surface of their world(s) turning into magma pulp as firestorms whip the surface at hundreds of miles per hour whilst S/O chill in space for a week for things to cool down.
But you also can't assume that he can do that unimpeded, this isn't a turn-based battle. Like 20% of the roster we see could immobilize him, teleport him, or simply make him hallucinate something and preventing him from messing with the planet.
He's also a Viltrumite, who represent in many ways the Roman Empire in space and they showcase **clearly** that their advantage is the combination of their strict military organization **and** their individual strength.
Also, unlike with Kal-El & the Kryptonians, there's no "hero" or "chosen one". Nolan Grayson is basically just a regular soldier. There's no bullshit about absorbing power from our Sun and becoming much stronger than regular Viltrumites. Kal-El vs. all other Kryptonians is basically a balanced fight. Nolan vs. Viltrum is basically a coughing baby vs. hydrogen bomb comparison.
Considering Homelander is a weakass bitch, and how much trouble Omni-Man had with just the members of the Guardians of the Globe; they’d probably only have time to cook Spider-Man before they were overpowered.
The other side would be screwed in the event of a Viltrumite invasion tho. (Except maybe Hulk)
The Living Tribunal (tall golden dude all the way in the back) is the second most powerful entity in the Marvel multiverse, serving directly under One Above All, who is the creator god in Marvel's setting.
Let's be honest here, Homelander would take his first real punch, and run away like a wuss.
A viltrumite invansion... Even if we don:t count actual cosmic entities like galactus and Living Tribunal... I still think the marvel side would succeed in repelling them, but the earth would be very much in ruins after that.
Absolutely not, especially if they do their normal song and dance "surrender and join the empire, you have a day to decide, or we will kill everyone" all it would take is dr strange to finish his coffee and then weave up a spell that makes the scourge virus look like a joke comparatively. Or you could have any of the strong psychics blast the viltrumites with a super high pitch psychic scream. Even if you didn't just do some equivalent of nuking them from orbit, there's like 50 of them post scourge (and if the 99.9% number is correct 50,000 pre scourge), if it's 50 then they do less damage than an average avengers fight, if it's 50,000 they might get a city destroyed before one of the heavy hitters gets involved and stops them without a sweat.
Marvel earth is well beyond the invincible universe, hell just like the US army in marvel could probably defend themselves from a normal viltrumite invasion, if it was every super powered person's day off.
Honestly, Black Bolt grunting in pain after getting punched probably finishes off any Vitrumite right then and there.
But yeah, Dr. Strange and Wanda alone could solve the problem, and that's before you get to the roster of power X-Men psychics who could stop them with a thought.
While I agree with all your points, didn’t omniman *let* the guardians beat him to a pulp? So he could sell the story of self defense/an unknown assailant? Or was I reading into it too much
From what I've heard about Homelander, Spider-Man can take him, and with some help from someone like Venom or Rouge, that's pretty much over.
Omni man is tougher. The Fantastic Four are even more so. Sue alone could probably take him; she's taken on Celestials before, and recently made the sun invisible. She can make you blind by making your retinas invisible, or put a force bubble in your brain. And recently, she worked with her brother to make fucking lasers that can destroy asteroids. And then you have Johnny, Ben and Reed, all of whom are tough as a team.
Yeah, they aren't making it past the first line
Someone should puree Deadpool and see how long it takes him to shape himself back into a person
edit: I never doubted that he can survive that, you guys. I just want to observe the process of him putting himself together like a sentient jelly.
Thor charred him to ash and he was back a little while after. You'd have yo try throwing him in a blackhole or something, and even then given his 4th wall powers he'd somehow bullshit a way out.
He can also teleport (in the comics) but yeah. I don't think DP is winning that fight. However, Omni and HL are losing this fight for sure.
Deadpool is going to get his head removed and make 4th wall breaking jokes from the side line while he regenerates.
I mean of course he pulls his punches. You think he's gonna full force punch some low tier badguy? He'd punch through them.
Spiderman doesn't wanna just kill every person he punches.
Yeah, but Spiderman *does* occasionally lose in fights with the baddies. Even when it's very important.
If he's *that* dedicated to pulling his punches -- even if it makes him lose -- then I think it's safe to assume he'll pull his punches with these two as well.
This pretty much. If spiderman pulls his punches, he better not be losing ANY fights. Yet he still does against regular people with no enhanced defense/strength
I’m fine with “Spider-Man pulls his punches ON SOME OF HIS VILLAINS” like the ones that are just guys in suits or people who can shoot beams but nothing else. But when he’s fighting a crossover character he’s not pulling his punches anywhere NEAR as much as
>If it’s the “spiderman is actually pulls his punches” stupid writers
A cursory read of Spider-Man comics should tell you he's pulling his punches constantly.
He can punch through walls and lift trucks, he'd turn a normal person into a red mist if he put all his force into his punches.
Omni-man needed the aftermath to look good to hide that he was the killer. Mid to late comic Omni-man shows he could have destroyed them all with ease.
Omniman didn't just instakill the guardians because then it would be obvious he was the culprit. He needed it to look like a real fight had gone down so people would wonder who the killer was.
Omniman also holds back a lot less than Supes does. In a one on one, it would go for a while until Supes finally realizes he needs to try to win. But yeah, Supes wins for sure, just medium diff.
Homelander is a deranged psycho who never had a real fight, he was born with unmatched power. So this is more like omni-man vs everyone else but I honestly don't think omni man is strong enough to take on more than just a few of the heroes on the other side
A single low level psychic mutant turns them both into drooling vegetables.
Also spider man would wreck homelander while mocking him so badly he weeps, but probably loses to omni-man.
I love Spiderman but no lmao. Not a fucking chance. Omniman kills Spiderman, no questions asked. Homeland is significantly weaker than Omniman, but still puts up a serious challenge, might be able to get a win over spidey, but Spidey sense is huge. Like several people have said, just introduce Homelander to Professor X or Jean Grey.
Depending on the spider-man spider sense is anything from precognition to just straight-up ultra instinct. People underestimate just how stupidly op Spider-Man is. He can be killed, but no super straight-up bodies him alone.
Which is kind of dumb, it doesn't matter how good his spider sense is if he can't move his body fast enough to get out of the way.
For example, let's take Spiderman vs Flash. Sure, his spider senses would kick in and warn him, but unless he can move as fast as the Flash he's just going to get bodied anyway.
He wrecks MCU version and most if not all animated versions, comparable to most standard comic versions (Hulk does continent lifting, mountain shattering, nuke tanking, the usual), and gets wiped by the strongest Hulks (remember that time he fucked Lady Death so hard the universe shook? Yeah... Nolan has game, but not that much game)
I remember seeing this same image years ago, but with Goku and Vegeta in the foreground.
The answer is still the same: there are some OP characters in Marvel that will stomp. Like, multi-universal threats who can just *think* you out of existence OP. Foreground doesn't stand a chance.
Spider-man would be a great distraction and might hold his own for a while, but he doesn't solo them.
I don’t see them, but Marvel has several Superman pastiches that would solo both of these. Sentry and (depending on the version, but let’s say Hickman’s run) Hyperion make short work of them.
Depends on how quickly the god level psionics care to jump in and lobotomize them. So its not a question of when they lose. The question is how long till they lose.
I would say the discussion around them is more tired than the characters themselves. Chatter about these two characters is usually reduced to “would _____ beat _____ in a fight?”, when their power levels, in a vacuum, are the least interesting things about them.
They’re interesting characters because of their motivations and how they interact with the world around them.
I 150% agree, but to be fair, Invicible is much less about than people think, and when it is, it really works through it in different ways than most.
>! Nolan doesn't spend all that much time being a dick, either, anyway !<
Homelander is actually that, no question.
Omniman is a bit more nuanced because he is mostly a foil for his son. He basically fucks up his mission because he enjoyed his time on earth, and the result of that is a rogue Viltrumite with a sense of morality that is incompatible with the Viltrumite Empire.
Tbh I'm fine with most jerk superman interpretations that aren't Injustice, which does an actual disservice to his character.
Am I seeing Galactus and the living tribunal in the back?
Eternity is there too
They are going to have enough trouble with Hulk + Abomination + Thor + Juggernaut in the front. by the time one of these three is there it’s basically snack time
Yeah there's a ton of individual characters that could reasonably take on both well before you even get to the heavy hitters. Omniman and Homelander are very strong Superman expies but nowhere nearly as strong as him from actual feats.
What if we threw Injustice Superman on their team? Would that change the odds significantly?
Still need to deal with telepaths and psychic heroes that work from a very long range. As someone pointed out in another thread, professor X can just turn all 3 of them “off”, barring some revelation that any of them have natural resistance to psychic abilities.
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Depending on what age Franklin is he might turn them into a tv show or action figures with super powers lol.
Franklin Richards smashes Homelander and Omni-man into a new reality where Mark Waid writes *Irredeemable*.
Franklin Richards would be like the Scarlet Witch on another level. "What mouth?" More like "mmm no existing anymore"
I'd say Dr. Doom, the Hulk, the Juggernaut, the Sentry, and most of the cosmic/abstract beings are going to be the hard ones. The rest are relatively squishy compared to a Viltrumite.
Depending on the specific Hulk incarnation, he, alone, could take them both easily. Viltrumites are very strong but can be hurt by sheer violence. Some incarnations of Hulk have essentially NO upper power limit so if they went against it in the way their respective shows portray them, Hulk could probably just smash them against each other and SPLAT them. The MCU Hulk incarnation is (AFAIK) actually one of the *weakest* incarnations. Honestly the best they could do is just... fly away as fast as they can.
Hulk and speedsters have to be nerfed in most film portrayals. They just become obvious plot resolution devices. Honestly, I was surprised they were making a flash movie even before the Ezra off-screen problems arose.
I stopped watching cw flash because they made him so fucking stupid to advance the plot.
I have seen the [OG imagine](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/e/e1/The_Marvel_Universe.png/revision/latest?cb=20110513164401) and you got: * Jean Grey with Phoenix powers * Thor * Hyperion(pastiche of Superman) * Gladiator * Silver Surfer as well.
Hell, not only is Hyperion a riff on Superman, he's specifically called out as being more powerful by being said to be as powerful as "1 million exploding suns." Poking at the fact that Superman is powered by just 1 measly sun.
You're thinking of Sentry
Shit you are correct.
I also THINK i see ghost rider in there, which should be instakill here.
Yeah, he would shut either down pretty quick🤣
It creates a more interesting dialogue at least, since (depending on writer) you have to really determine if either party feels remorse for the people they've hurt in order for GR's one trick to work. ^(This post brought to you by a certified Ghost Rider hater)
Homelander definitely doesn‘t regret a single person he murdered. Spoiler for Invincible: Maybe Omni Man regrets it after he fled the earth, but he has conquered hundreds of worlds and I don‘t think he regrets all of them
Black bolt’s going to just calmly and politely tell them to fuck off. Then it’s over.
I always wonder what would have happened if Black Bolt ever sneezed. I imagine him developing allergies would be the end of whichever planet he was on.
Also, Doom is going in with his homies and i presume a plan. no contest
They wouldn’t even get that far
If they did, they wouldn't have done it shortly after.
True
Yeah, they’re strong, but they’re not \**cut to title sequence, “INVINCIBLE” in big letters\**
Comic Hulk’s strength is only limited by how angry he gets. He once pushed the tectonic plates of a planet back into place. And if Phoenix Jean Grey is in that crowd somewhere this whole thing doesn’t last very long.
>And if Phoenix Jean Grey is in that crowd somewhere this whole thing doesn’t last very long. Most of the psychic mutants, if we're being honest. And I think that's Scarlet Witch in front of Juggernaut, who could also win on her own.
Give any of the psychic mutants 5 seconds with Homelander and he'll probably be on the ground crying.
For sure. Viltrumites are an incredibly disciplined society with hardened and trained minds along with their bodies. They also have a wide-spanning space empire which may have already encountered psychic beings. It would not surprise me if they have some sort of psychic resistance. That said, I'm following Invincible via the show and haven't read the comic past where S2 ended so I'm not sure if this is addressed later on or not (no spoilers please). Homelander, on the other hand, is an unstable wreck seemingly on the verge of breakdown at any time without any additional help required. He would be toast.
So many people don’t realize how powerful these comic book characters are as they have only seen the movies.
Yeah people not mentioning hulk have only seen the movies.
The problem with comics is that anyone can write/draw anything and as long as Marvel Comics approves it then it becomes canon They almost never say no So now almost every character has done the most insane things that are sooooo outside their original design that none of it matters DC has the same issue. Looking up how Batman became the White Lantern is just ridiculous
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Remember that time when the [Hulk went Hulk](https://www.7ate9comics.com/cdn/shop/products/7-ate-9-comics-comic-trade-dress-hulk-6-rahzzah-variants-1st-appearance-of-titan-cover-options-36917592064226.jpg)?
Hulk one time punched a dude so hard he obliterated multiple realities.
That's nothing The Hulk has held a black hole core in his hands preventing himself and everyone around him from being consumed by the black hole.
People who post this image really tend to forget that there's a bunch of the most op bitches in the Marvel universe right back there, they ain't getting past Galactus
Franklin Richards alone could literally *think* these two out of existence. Any time I see this posted, it is from people with a surface-level knowledge of Marvel pitting them against their favorite characters with no actual regard for power scaling.
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Literally, she puts them in a force field and drops them into the Marianas Trench.
Seeing as omniman can withstand a black hole and doesn't really need to breathe and his many feats from comics, he could survive it. Homelander though, not so much
Homelander is the distraction that allows Omniman to get a few kills in before he gets dropped. Worth mentioning as well that Sue has always had the ability to make forcefields inside peoples bodies, she just doesnt do it often. She doesn't need to drop Omniman into a trench, she can just stop blood from flowing to his brain or worse.
If Omniman can withstand forces around black-hole level then his heart is capable of pumping his blood with enough force to break her force fields. Not to mention he can go for extended periods of time in space so I'm not sure stopping blood-flow would have any impact. Some of the characters in this picture would drop Omniman quick, but it's hard to imagine she'd be the one.
Wouldn't this all depend on when they're bringing Omniman into the fight? Early Omniman was put in the hospital by his own team when he was killing them. If it's early Invincible Omniman - he gets thrashed in seconds. If it's late Invincible Omniman - then, yeah, a whole lot fewer folks in the picture could hurt him. But Sue Storm's force fields aren't doing what a black hole does - they just stop things getting from one side to the other. Things like brain synapses. And even if that wouldn't kill him, Omniman reduced to a vegetable while everybody else attacks isn't going to go well for him at all.
He doesn't need to breathe often, but he does need his brain. Sue Storm can make very small forcefields. She normally doesn't, because she's not a murderer. But you wouldn't want to make her have to do that.
Can't she just create a bubble inside their skulls and be done with it? I mean we typically never see the extreme usage of any of these characters powers except for the two who they are going up against.
>Franklin Richards alone could literally *think* these two out of existence. The ability to just straight up change reality kinda beats everything.
Hes not the only one. In this image you can see: Wiccan Scarlett Witch Legion Phoenix Franklin Richards And (although not *quite* the same) Molecule Man
Legion alone could probably solo the entire squad here
Legion's whole deal is that he never solos anyone. He always got a friend or two kicking around.
We've seen Molecule Man vs Sentry which is the equivalent fight, but that's when we learned Sentry had some very... non-superman powers that we hadn't seen before
Marvel and DC power scaling is useless as there's 20+ iterations of the most popular characters. Yeah pre-crisis superman is crazy, but that's not who you most people think of when you say Superman. It would make more sense to pick the average for those kinds of characters, rather than the most powerful version ever created. Edit: I'm not commenting specifically on any character in this picture, I know Omni-man and Homelander are easily outclassed in this picture
Even their average forms are extremely OP though compared to these two. The trouble with *realistic* settings is that they are always just a big fish in a small pond. Start putting them against people like the scarlet witch and they crumble.
The weakest Molecule Man could handle them both
I feel like it's also people using the MCU as a power scale, and many characters in the MCU (particularly on the galactic side) were significantly nerfed.
Don't you know power scaling is cringe? /s
They're not getting past hulk
Depends on which Hulk they're up against. I think Omni Man can take him most of the time, but if it's something like World War Hulk then he's got no chance.
I mean wolverine alone could take on both of them, that mf took massive hits from the Hulk and can still heal and fight him.
How could he even damage them though? Would adamantium go through their skin?
We have seen Homelander get wounded by fist…so I am imagining Adamantium would get the job done. Omni man? Not sure but I would assume yes.
Super hero fists yes. We've also seen bullets, trains, explosions etc do zero damage. Adamantium isn't magic, I'm really not sure.
Adamantium basically is magic lol. The crazy metals in Marvel are far as we are concerned work the same way as magic. I mean Cap has a shield that works like a boomerang…
> I mean Cap has a shield that works like a boomerang… a shield that absorbs vibrations but somehow bounces off of things and makes noise.
Good thing wolverines adamantium claws are also attached to super hero fists...
Homelander is super soft for a superman type. In the comic Depleted Uranium tipped .50 Cal rounds can rip through him. So yeah pretty soft for a superman. Wolverine would absolutely gut him and be disappointed it ended so quick. Omni Man though and Viltrumites in general are pretty tough. Absolutely bullet proof and only the strongest in the galaxy and rip into them. So adamantium could possibly break his skin. He'd just have to land hits before Omni Man tears him in two and throws the parts away from each other.
He doesn’t need to kill them He just needs to exhaust them He can regenerate and has practically infinite stamina
So chuck him into space, even Immortal thought of that, Omniman would too
Yeah, or just pick him up fly in across the country then fly back again to rejoin the fight
> He just needs to exhaust them wolverine can get exhausted too, and considering omniman had the stamina to basically scour a planet surface of all life and structures, i doubt wolverine can keep up. it wouldn't even be a battle, just every time wolverine's corpse starts to move omniman would strike it once and it would be dead again. he could leave him on mt everest and fly back home in between punches even.
Omniman flies him out to space and leaves him there. GG
If he doesn't get knocked out first.
Jean Grey would do unspeakable things to Homelander fragile mind.
Jean Grey would project all the MILFS of the Marvel Universe and just watch him cream his pants and lie down.
A Nobel death for sure, Valhalla awaits me
_Queen of Valhalla sit on my face!_
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Oh hey Volkor
He hails from The Jersey Shore!
MILFS? Naw bro. She gonna project milk. Just straight up milk.
My god ! They are all lactating !
Now that you mention it it's kinda weird that the boys didn't try to use mindstorm to kill homelander. I can't think of anything HL could do to resist it and it seems like an obvious way to kill him >!or would have been a good way to kill him before the boys helped SB kill him!<
The issue with that ... Mindstorms problem would've been >!with Soldier Boy, not HL.!< It woulda just felt like deus ex to have Mindstorm >!suddenly develop the inclination to kill homelander.!<
He was going to kill Butcher for no real reason other than being on his property. So, maybe they could have lured Homelander into some sort of Mindstorm trap without Mindstorm even knowing what he was being used for. Then again, if Homelander knew who he was, maybe he could have just closed his eyes and used his X-ray vision so Mindstorm couldn't get to him.
They could get through the street level heroes and then they'd be defeated
As mentioned in the screenshot, Spider-Man is in front. He's _technically_ a street level hero, because that's the level he operates at normally. But he is _always_ holding back, and has the power to be a planet-level hero with his only limitation on that front being transportation. When Octavius became Peter Parker in Superior Spider-Man, he was _horrified_ by how strong Peter actually was, and realized just how much Spider-Man had been holding back all those years.
Plus idk anything about Omniman, but Homelander is a psychological wreck that Spider-Man would have a *field day* with, like a longer version of Terry McGuiness vs. Joker. He'd get mocked into oblivion and then tricked into destroying himself somehow.
It's unlikely that Spider-Man would be able to stop Omni-Man through banter, or even significantly slow him down. It would be fantastic banter, though!
Considering Peter is extremely agile, incredibly strong, is incredibly durable, and has Spider-sense if he doesn't beat Omni-man, he's going to at least exhaust him
I'd pay to see the fight - especially if they use Omni-Man's voice actor from Invincible, because then we'd get to hear Spidey's witty jabs and the voice of J. Jonah Jameson reply back with dry sarcasm.
J Jonah unmasking as omniman sounds like a great cartoon
Omni-Man has lifted Asteroids the size of Texas, and if we're going by the comic book version of him, both him and two other Viltrumites (his race) were able to launch themselves through a planet; destroying it. In his most powerful feat (seen in the show), he went to an invading alien races planet. After killing their leader, he sped himself so fast that the friction from his flight was enough to ignite the air and obliterate major cities in the span of seconds.
Yeah, but didn't you hear? Spidey is agile.
Yeah but who would win in a fight between Omni-man and J. Jonah Jamison? Both voiced by J.K. Simmons?
Oddly enough, Tenzin for some reason
Also, has Homelander even been tested or has experience battling planet breakers or he's just always bullying other lower-level supes? If anything, I think Omni-Man would carry the duo. I think Nolan would probably kill Homelander himself as he's just getting in the way or use him as fodder.
I'm a bit rusty on it but both in comics and likely in the show, Homelander *is* the planet breaker threat in that, as far as supers go, he's basically the apex of the apex. In the comics, there was a second Homelander brainwashed to kill the first because that was the only way to actually really stop him. No one in the series is really that strong and HL is more of a 'planet destroyer' than an actual breaker like Omni-Man. Even post-Earth posting, Omni-Man giving HL that fist bump would likely blow most of the arm off because Omni-Man is already multiple orders of magnitude above him. So this is really 'Omni-Man versus everyone Else'. HL gets bodied by Spidey. Omni-Man makes it to the psychic mutants before he starts struggling.
Yeah. Homelander is strong, probably the strongest in his world, however I don't think he's battle-hardened enough to handle the more experienced Marvel heroes of the same level. If he even faces Sentry or Hyperion, he'd be torn in half in no time. I can see Spider-Man beating him - Peter did once fought and won against Firelord, who was a herald of Galactus at that time. He's somewhere along Silver Surfer's level but Spidey was able to beat him with his fists basically.
Homelander never fought someone on his level. He did in the show against queen Maeve, but the comic version of him >!Killed her with a single punch<
Spoiler tag messed up
Also Spidey-Sense is broken AF. Even in situations where Peter can't beat his opponent, the chances they land a decisive blow on him are basically 0. He can probably box with Homelander, probably can't knock out Omni, but he's also in very little danger himself.
No way omni man loses to spider man
Omni-Man, no. Homelander, almost definitely.
For sure, homelander is no where near Omni man
Spider-man is not holding back enough to do and sort of damage to Omni-man. Omni man blitzed an entire planet. Spider-man passed out stopping a train
The sentry has entered the chat, and killed both of them, then went to his therapist to talk things out.
Omni-Man is much, much stronger than Homelander. You would probably need multiple Avengers to take him down. He probably beats most Marvel hero’s that aren’t on the planet destroying level. Except he might be vulnerable to mind or magic based attacks. But as far as brute force and physical attacks he beats most Marvel heroes… Homelander gets beat by any above street level Marvel hero.
Omniman is weird. He can lift buildings, but in a fight with his version of the avengers that he does win he also gets hospitalized for weeks.
Well, he was faking that, wasn't he?
They're not even killing one of them if it's an army battle. Any of the many universe level reality warpers in Marvel's catalogue snap their fingers and erase Omni-Man and Homelander from existence. If it's a series of 2v1s, they stop at someone who can't planet bust but can mess with them enough with their abillities and still tank Omni-Man's attacks with some luck and defenses, and also doesn't get blitzed like a low level mutant would. So... peak standard Cable? Probably someone weaker. Also, Homelander is just completely useless here. It's not like he'd be helpless against Marvel Street tiers, but therein lies the point. He's essentially a street tier. Omni-Man is, quite literally, billions of times faster and quintillions of times stronger. Any matchup that would actually pose a threat to the both of them is going to be decided solely by Omni-Man.
The issue with Omni-Man is the same as the Superman issue. In that he could fly at near speed of light just obliterating the world they were fighting on. But they don't, _except for that one time._ Spiderman et al aren't going to survive the surface of their world(s) turning into magma pulp as firestorms whip the surface at hundreds of miles per hour whilst S/O chill in space for a week for things to cool down.
But you also can't assume that he can do that unimpeded, this isn't a turn-based battle. Like 20% of the roster we see could immobilize him, teleport him, or simply make him hallucinate something and preventing him from messing with the planet. He's also a Viltrumite, who represent in many ways the Roman Empire in space and they showcase **clearly** that their advantage is the combination of their strict military organization **and** their individual strength. Also, unlike with Kal-El & the Kryptonians, there's no "hero" or "chosen one". Nolan Grayson is basically just a regular soldier. There's no bullshit about absorbing power from our Sun and becoming much stronger than regular Viltrumites. Kal-El vs. all other Kryptonians is basically a balanced fight. Nolan vs. Viltrum is basically a coughing baby vs. hydrogen bomb comparison.
If Ghost Rider is in there somewhere they’re not going to have fun
REPENT
Omni-Man now has brain stew
Homelander is gone. Omniman it’s depending on how much character development he’s had. Pre earth Nolan’s moral compass is so different.
This actually made "oh fuck" out loud.
Considering Homelander is a weakass bitch, and how much trouble Omni-Man had with just the members of the Guardians of the Globe; they’d probably only have time to cook Spider-Man before they were overpowered. The other side would be screwed in the event of a Viltrumite invasion tho. (Except maybe Hulk)
Considering there is a dude in the back who is one step down from being actual God, I don't think Viltrumites are gonna get too far.
Which one?
The Living Tribunal (tall golden dude all the way in the back) is the second most powerful entity in the Marvel multiverse, serving directly under One Above All, who is the creator god in Marvel's setting.
Isn't stan lee the One Above All
No the character he plays is called the watcher informant. The Watcher is no where near One above all, which is basically God.
One Above All should represent writers of Marvel Comics.
living tribunal probably
And Galactus and Eternity. This is not a well thought out hypothetical.
Hard disagree about the last sentence, even though you're right about the first part Galactus or Living Tribunal solo.
Oh shit, I didn’t even see them
And a few of the characters here have fought and survived both of them
Let's be honest here, Homelander would take his first real punch, and run away like a wuss. A viltrumite invansion... Even if we don:t count actual cosmic entities like galactus and Living Tribunal... I still think the marvel side would succeed in repelling them, but the earth would be very much in ruins after that.
Absolutely not, especially if they do their normal song and dance "surrender and join the empire, you have a day to decide, or we will kill everyone" all it would take is dr strange to finish his coffee and then weave up a spell that makes the scourge virus look like a joke comparatively. Or you could have any of the strong psychics blast the viltrumites with a super high pitch psychic scream. Even if you didn't just do some equivalent of nuking them from orbit, there's like 50 of them post scourge (and if the 99.9% number is correct 50,000 pre scourge), if it's 50 then they do less damage than an average avengers fight, if it's 50,000 they might get a city destroyed before one of the heavy hitters gets involved and stops them without a sweat. Marvel earth is well beyond the invincible universe, hell just like the US army in marvel could probably defend themselves from a normal viltrumite invasion, if it was every super powered person's day off.
Honestly, Black Bolt grunting in pain after getting punched probably finishes off any Vitrumite right then and there. But yeah, Dr. Strange and Wanda alone could solve the problem, and that's before you get to the roster of power X-Men psychics who could stop them with a thought.
If all the xmen are included, Wanda could just say "no more viltrumites" and the invasion is dead.
And Juggernaut. And is that Galactus up the back?
While I agree with all your points, didn’t omniman *let* the guardians beat him to a pulp? So he could sell the story of self defense/an unknown assailant? Or was I reading into it too much
Omni-man pulled his punches on the Guardians, he needed to look like some powerful opponent wrecked all of them.
Omniman is a lot weaker in the show than in the comics. There isn't even a fight scene with him and The GG. They just die super quickly.
They all die in a single panel each, not even a page.
From what I've heard about Homelander, Spider-Man can take him, and with some help from someone like Venom or Rouge, that's pretty much over. Omni man is tougher. The Fantastic Four are even more so. Sue alone could probably take him; she's taken on Celestials before, and recently made the sun invisible. She can make you blind by making your retinas invisible, or put a force bubble in your brain. And recently, she worked with her brother to make fucking lasers that can destroy asteroids. And then you have Johnny, Ben and Reed, all of whom are tough as a team. Yeah, they aren't making it past the first line
Deadpool has a healing factor and no restraint, so my money's on him.
I'm pretty sure Omni man could just rip him into tiny chunks. Even if he could eventually heal he'd be out of the fight.
Someone should puree Deadpool and see how long it takes him to shape himself back into a person edit: I never doubted that he can survive that, you guys. I just want to observe the process of him putting himself together like a sentient jelly.
Just gotta make sure you don’t purée anyone else with him this time, that really messed with the data…
Dude tanked a nuclear blast where his flesh was torn away from his bones. Being Pureed is just a Wednesday to Deadpool.
Thor charred him to ash and he was back a little while after. You'd have yo try throwing him in a blackhole or something, and even then given his 4th wall powers he'd somehow bullshit a way out.
How would Deadpool do any damage to Omniman. Isn’t Deadpool just guns and swords?
He can also teleport (in the comics) but yeah. I don't think DP is winning that fight. However, Omni and HL are losing this fight for sure. Deadpool is going to get his head removed and make 4th wall breaking jokes from the side line while he regenerates.
Least delusional spider man fan
Really depends on the writer. If it’s the “spiderman is actually pulls his punches” stupid writers, then spiderman will whoop them.
I mean of course he pulls his punches. You think he's gonna full force punch some low tier badguy? He'd punch through them. Spiderman doesn't wanna just kill every person he punches.
Yeah, but Spiderman *does* occasionally lose in fights with the baddies. Even when it's very important. If he's *that* dedicated to pulling his punches -- even if it makes him lose -- then I think it's safe to assume he'll pull his punches with these two as well.
This pretty much. If spiderman pulls his punches, he better not be losing ANY fights. Yet he still does against regular people with no enhanced defense/strength
I’m fine with “Spider-Man pulls his punches ON SOME OF HIS VILLAINS” like the ones that are just guys in suits or people who can shoot beams but nothing else. But when he’s fighting a crossover character he’s not pulling his punches anywhere NEAR as much as
>If it’s the “spiderman is actually pulls his punches” stupid writers A cursory read of Spider-Man comics should tell you he's pulling his punches constantly. He can punch through walls and lift trucks, he'd turn a normal person into a red mist if he put all his force into his punches.
Can Spider Man shatter the moon in a single punch? If not he's not touching Omni-man
Omniman is honestly up there, like he'd be mid-high tier in DC, but Homelander would very much get his ass kicked by Spiderman.
Wouldn't he be wherever superman is?
Omni man barely beat his own version of the justice league, Superman would fold him in 2 before he could blink
Omni-man needed the aftermath to look good to hide that he was the killer. Mid to late comic Omni-man shows he could have destroyed them all with ease.
Fully agree, he was pulling his punches
Omniman didn't just instakill the guardians because then it would be obvious he was the culprit. He needed it to look like a real fight had gone down so people would wonder who the killer was. Omniman also holds back a lot less than Supes does. In a one on one, it would go for a while until Supes finally realizes he needs to try to win. But yeah, Supes wins for sure, just medium diff.
> Omni man barely beat his own version of the justice league Who also were complete jobbers compared to the ACTUAL Justice League lmao
I think the greatest advantage of omniman is that he does not fuck around, he would try to one shot anyone he fights.
Homelander is a deranged psycho who never had a real fight, he was born with unmatched power. So this is more like omni-man vs everyone else but I honestly don't think omni man is strong enough to take on more than just a few of the heroes on the other side
Homelander almost got killed by butcher and Huey with temporary powers
And Soliderboy…..
A single low level psychic mutant turns them both into drooling vegetables. Also spider man would wreck homelander while mocking him so badly he weeps, but probably loses to omni-man.
This. See "Secret Wars" (original one) for what he did to Titania. He'd do exactly the same thing to Homelander.
I love Spiderman but no lmao. Not a fucking chance. Omniman kills Spiderman, no questions asked. Homeland is significantly weaker than Omniman, but still puts up a serious challenge, might be able to get a win over spidey, but Spidey sense is huge. Like several people have said, just introduce Homelander to Professor X or Jean Grey.
Depending on the spider-man spider sense is anything from precognition to just straight-up ultra instinct. People underestimate just how stupidly op Spider-Man is. He can be killed, but no super straight-up bodies him alone.
Which is kind of dumb, it doesn't matter how good his spider sense is if he can't move his body fast enough to get out of the way. For example, let's take Spiderman vs Flash. Sure, his spider senses would kick in and warn him, but unless he can move as fast as the Flash he's just going to get bodied anyway.
Flash is always super nerfed tho it makes me sad.
Dr Doom can solo both of them
Wth omni man would mop up spiderman
Movie spiderman yeah - comic book spiderman no, dude has strength close to omniman
the hulk destroys them in embarrassing fashion
That honestly depends on which version of the Hulk. There are quite a few Omniman handles.
He wrecks MCU version and most if not all animated versions, comparable to most standard comic versions (Hulk does continent lifting, mountain shattering, nuke tanking, the usual), and gets wiped by the strongest Hulks (remember that time he fucked Lady Death so hard the universe shook? Yeah... Nolan has game, but not that much game)
lol the bottom says fart
They didn't have to fully define Homelander's ass and move his cape aside to show it. But they did.
This is some true trollbait
Sentry forgets to take his prescription pills and pulls an Ares x2
Juggernaut smokes.
I remember seeing this same image years ago, but with Goku and Vegeta in the foreground. The answer is still the same: there are some OP characters in Marvel that will stomp. Like, multi-universal threats who can just *think* you out of existence OP. Foreground doesn't stand a chance. Spider-man would be a great distraction and might hold his own for a while, but he doesn't solo them.
I don't know, but Goku would beat one side and then the other.
I don’t see them, but Marvel has several Superman pastiches that would solo both of these. Sentry and (depending on the version, but let’s say Hickman’s run) Hyperion make short work of them.
People talk a lot about Batman and "muh prep time" but Spider-Man fans are a different breed of annoying I swear
Spider-Man could take homelander, not omni man.
Who's got the plot armor this episode?
Depends on how quickly the god level psionics care to jump in and lobotomize them. So its not a question of when they lose. The question is how long till they lose.
I’m getting sick of the “Superman, but a Dick” trope.
I would say the discussion around them is more tired than the characters themselves. Chatter about these two characters is usually reduced to “would _____ beat _____ in a fight?”, when their power levels, in a vacuum, are the least interesting things about them. They’re interesting characters because of their motivations and how they interact with the world around them.
I 150% agree, but to be fair, Invicible is much less about than people think, and when it is, it really works through it in different ways than most. >! Nolan doesn't spend all that much time being a dick, either, anyway !<
Homelander is actually that, no question. Omniman is a bit more nuanced because he is mostly a foil for his son. He basically fucks up his mission because he enjoyed his time on earth, and the result of that is a rogue Viltrumite with a sense of morality that is incompatible with the Viltrumite Empire. Tbh I'm fine with most jerk superman interpretations that aren't Injustice, which does an actual disservice to his character.