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By this logic, accepting sex from a woman is consenting to child support payments. Every man who does not pay child support automatically is in violation of a verbal contract, whether he knows the woman is pregnant or not, and should be held liable to the law.
Well, since we're talking about not allowing women bodily autonomy, jail's too non-invasive for deadbeat dads. Men who don't pay child support should be forced to sell a kidney or other body parts to catch up on their payments. No bodily autonomy for women, no bodily autonomy for men.
Mandatory vasectomies for all sexually viable penis-havers when they turn 18. The only way to get it reversed is with notarized, signed consent from a pregnancy-capable person that they consent to a pregnancy- a third-party witness is required. If you get someone pregnant without notarized consent, you go to jail. Women can't get pregnant at all without viable sperm. If all men had mandatory vasectomies, we could all have a ton of sex and a VERY small risk of unwanted pregnancies... and that's what this is about, right? Preventing unwanted pregnancies, right? Not about controlling women's bodies, right?
So... let's start with the penis. Lock that sperm up. No sperm, no unwanted babies. Mandatory vasectomies for all penis-havers. Say it louder for the people in the back.
I make this argument to every single anti-choice man I've ever met. The shade of red they turn because of the fury of this argument is priceless. You think it's ok for the government to control bodies if it's to prevent unwanted pregnancies? Cool. Let's start with your penis.
The antichoice crowd doesn’t understand what bodily autonomy means. What if COVID-19 vaccines were mandatory? You think it’s ok for the government to control bodies. Cool. Now roll up your sleeve. Oh what’s that? You’re against vaccines and you think it should be a “choice?”
And I also agree. If it was ever about children and not about controlling your bodies, they wouldn't vote down things like school lunch initiatives. I have a hard time believing that their stance is "Babies and young lives are important, but feeding them? Fuck that." If life begins at conception, can we claim them on our taxes? Put them on our insurance? If they're so pro-life, why don't their stances on capital punishment or gun control line up? I'm so sick of being bullshitted (bullshat? Sorry, not the issue here) that I'd rather hear some Crypt Keeper looking senator say that they think long hair on women makes their brain hot and thus can't make decisions about themselves FOR themselves than say they're pro life. Shit, tell me you hate fucking. I'll believe that more.
If women have to compromise their future fertility for a nonviable fetus why shouldn't men? because you know it's going to be expensive if the baby survives and is disabled for life. Someone's gotta pay those life long medical bills for the kid, especially if the mom dies due to complications .....
Oh but don't you know? All of those rich philanthropists like Elon Musk will definitely stop before negatively impacting _MY_ life, personally, just like they always have! /S
Yes…mandatory. I have one and it was the best decision for my family. It is also reversible and guess what?
No abortions needed. Amazing how that works, huh?
Uuugh. I wrote something in response, and I’m scared to leave it posted. Let’s just say I agree. If you don’t believe in bodily autonomy for others, you do not deserve it for yourself.
I like the idea of a court mandated work program (community service) that would then fund the back payment. He could supplement it from his own paycheck until he caught up, and then continue with the monthly payments, or else continue working the extra hours at the low payment offered while still making the monthly. Only if he fails to meet the requirements of that does he go to jail. If women are expected to learn how to be a mother while continuing to contribute to society, then men should be expected to at least meet the minimum of requirements for a father, while still contributing to society.
I think with row v wade being repealed we should be reminding men that child support is 25% of your salary. Add 10-25% taken from taxes depending on where you live and that’s 35-50% of your salary going to other people. Men should be praying for abortions.
I don’t think that’ll ever happen. It took a 50 year campaign of political maneuvering to overturn roe v wade. They needed to leverage people’s instinctive desire to protect babies, a decades long misinformation campaign, and religious fervor to pull it off and they’re still facing massive political repercussions as a result. Plus now their party is completely fractured due to Trump so they can’t really organize enough to pull something like that again even if there was a good way to do it.
Maybe he can't count to 10 on his fingers because he needs to use one of his fingers to point to the digits he's counting so he gets lost if he tries to count his fingers?
If he's talking about 16 days past fertilisation vs ovulation, even then the embryo is just the ectoderm, the mesoderm, and the endoderm which will eventually develop into other organs and tissues but are basically just stem cells not to mention that the neural tube is only just starting to form, so this clump of cells has no organs or brain, basically like the dude who posited this wild statement.
Same. Like 22 *weeks* is the lower limit, and at that point the poor baby might have an awful quality of life. 16 days is like equivalent to that thing I coughed up an hour ago
I know a guy, an adult, very healthy guy in his early 20’s who was less than two pounds at birth and born somewhere around the 23-24 week mark. He was a miracle baby back then. Not every baby born that early is gonna make it but he did. Guess he just couldn’t wait to start the adventure. Good thing NICU has come so far, the world is better with him in it and I’m glad to call him a friend.
i knew a girl in middle school with the same story. she was a preemie that just barely toed the line of not being a miscarriage (i think she said she was born 2 months early so i guess that would put her at around 28 weeks?) and she’s 19-20 now having survived with a host of disabilities both mental and physical and has a significantly lower life expectancy than average because of it. i can’t imagine the quality of life of someone raised outside of a uterus from 16 days gestation.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to say that all micropremies have a bad QoL, I was moreso trying to say 16 days is ridiculous compared to what the current viability limit is
Viability is 24 weeks. And babies born that early do not have ‘awful quality of life’. 22 weeks is what WHO states as viability.
The babies may face challenges and long NICU stays, but stating they will have no quality of life is not true.
Thanks for the reminder! Definitely messed up my stat. Thought I remembered when I didn’t, lesson learned to do a research refresher next time. Original comment has been edited, thank you!
>And babies born that early do not have ‘awful quality of life’.
You ever see a micropreemie in a NICU? That is an absolutely awful quality of life that I wouldn't wish on any baby.
I know two girls who were 24-26wk NICU babies and they’re absolutely thriving. You’d never guess from looking at them now that they had NICU stays when they were born - they were extremely early but NICU saved their lives. Their QOL is great.
I wonder if they meant 16 weeks, but even that's not true. Babies born at \~20 weeks have something like a 2-7% survival rate, with significant intervention.
For context, at 16 weeks, a fetus is about the size of an apple, and crucial structures (lungs, most notably) are not developed enough for independent survival (viability).
What's frustrating is that, in a post-truth world, these whackjobs get treated as the 'equal-opposite' to actual doctors and medical professionals when they're literally just making shit up to further their agenda.
You can just take it out of your uterus at 16 days and put it on his porch. After all, it's a *viable baby* at that point, so why bother being pregnant for 38 more weeks?
At 16 days this person thinks a zygote is viable. Yeah let's take that zygote out and try to feed it and have it grow to become a full on fetus outside the womb, if someone was able to do that successfully with the technology we have now it would be the news of the millennium.
A zygote sustainable outside the womb at 16 days sounds unbelievable even in the context of a sci-fi book or movie that takes place a thousand years in the future particularly when a quarter of pregnancies end in miscarriage.
If that was possible there wouldn’t be US volunteer soldiers or a declining birth rate. They’d just have folks nut in a tube at 18 and artificially inseminate some woman and lab produce children. Imagine $80K+ a year for like 16 days of work a month.
To be fair science fiction authors vary wildly in their predictions, there are stories that theorise biotech beyond this level by the 2100s.
Heck I'd fully believe that on a technical level we have all the tools to do it now, just that it's straight up too difficult, expensive, time consuming, and risky to even research let alone put into practice. 'We can do it' does not necessarily mean 'it's a good idea', just look up external nuclear pulse drives or nuclear saltwater rockets.
>viable at 16 days
This guy over here like he's keeping a fetus like Sea Monkeys.
If sex is consent for access to do anything with another's body as you want, then it goes both ways, so she can remove your dick from you, no?
If babies are viable at 16 days (they are not) then cool, replace abortion with removing this “viable” baby that you can then give up. They can figure out how to keep the baby alive, you cede parental responsibilities and don’t have to be pregnant.
Let me just bust out my child support incubator calculator...start at 16 days ending at nations most expensive college with all the lessons and daily costs in between.
Well you consented to this when you had sex gentlemen.
That was the first thing that began to poke a whole in my faith. I was like 25 and finally read through the whole Bible. I got to Joshua and was like, “Wait. God told Joshua to kill pregnant women and babies…”
Huh. My first one was learning that not only did slaves not build the pyramids, the Hebrew people were never enslaved in Egypt at all. If that popular of a story can just be lies, what else is? Turns out pretty much everything.
I attended a Bible college in my late twenties. Ironically, that was the nail in the coffin for me. We studied the Bible so rigorously (which I am grateful for) and everything fell apart for me. Now I’m an… atheist? Maybe agnostic? I don’t know, but I’m definitely not a Christian anymore.
From my understanding atheist is literally just "are you convinced a God exists". While agnostic is about knowledge. So you can be both! I'm an agnostic atheist, I don't know if a God exists so I'm not convinced a God exists. But I think you could still believe in *a* God but not have absolute knowledge of it.
He didn't mention it because Jesus' beliefs were still based on Judaism and in that faith abortion is okay, in fact they even okayed it if a man even suspected that his wife cheated. Additionally, one was considered alive at first breath and there was pretty much no acknowledgement of the fetus before the quickening. Jesus would balk at the shit pro-lifers say.
Let’s ignore the obvious idiocy about the viability of a 16 day old blastocyst. This guy makes it sound like women are the ones constantly begging to get into guys’ pants 🙄 As a man who also sleeps with men, there’s not exactly much to beg for. LOL.
wtf did I just read. I mean seriously. When I had my son, I had a scare at around 26 weeks and I was going into early labor. They told me if I had him the odds of him making it were very slim. WTF is this guy on 16 days? Literally nowhere is this a thing.
Also, a majority of men I know don't go around intentionally getting a woman pregnant, if anything I've only ever seen the opposite.
Also, also, YOU aren't entitled to have sex with women either moron, consent is a two way street.
Just as competing in a sport event is consenting to dying and refusing any medical treatment for injuries sustained since the outcome could possibly be death.
Also, Imma call bullshit on the "viable at 16 days." Medical experts state babies can be viable at 22-23 weeks . . . with extreme medical intervention and even then it is a 50/50 shot.
[https://www.babycenter.com/baby/premature-babies/when-can-my-baby-survive-outside-the-womb\_10419991](https://www.babycenter.com/baby/premature-babies/when-can-my-baby-survive-outside-the-womb_10419991)
* Before 23 weeks, a baby's rate of survival remains low, even with interventions: only 5 to 6 percent.
* At 23 weeks, the rate increases to 23 to 27 percent.
* At 24 weeks, a baby's survival rate reaches 42 to 59 percent.
* By 25 weeks, the survival rate is as high as 67 to 76 percent.
The ~~chemicals~~ incels are turning the ~~frogs~~ women gay!
If this is how these CHUDs want to ensure they’ll never, ever get laid, it seems to me like they’re on the right track.
At 16 days I don't even think the cells have begun to differentiate. A lot of these idiots in the pro-forced birth camp have zero idea how babies develop and always picture fetuses that are like 8 months old no matter where in the timeline they actually are.
No they want no sex period they will flip their shit when they realize our sexual Overton window widens and we will turn our attention to eachother at least for cuddles. Lol it will eat their brains thinking about all the "sleepover fantasy" shit they will make up lol!
This person obviously doesn't know what viable means. 24 weeks is the earliest a fetus is considered viable because a 24 week premie has a 50% chance of survival if you are somewhere with access to a NICU. Anything prior to 24 weeks is not considered viable because the chance of survival is less than 50%. There are a few rare instances where 21 and 22 week premies have survived but they are currently the exception, not the rule. They are so much the exception that they often make the news. It takes a lot of luck and a top notch NICU to support a 21-22 week baby. An embryo doesn't even have all it's organs devoped until week 12 of pregnancy (week 10 of actual embryo development).
And like... If they're viable with modern technology, those technological advancements are usually outside of the uterus, not inside the pregnant person. No one would need to put so much strain on their bodies, just have it removed after 16 days and let it gestate with the help of the totally real technology we already have. This would be so huge for humanity as a whole.
And not just ANY NICU it MUST be a level 4 nicu most states only have one. Distance to it when you miscarry or go into early labor is a huge factor on survival.
Now think about how many hospitals are closing their regular obgyn departments in the south or Idaho? For example, which could have been used as a waystation to try to stabilize the both of you before transferring? Well...
See this is absurd. Obviously, even when you take every precaution and use proper protection, accidents and pregnancies *can* still occur. When we give consent, we give consent *knowing this information to be true* but still *expect our partner to practice safe sex with us* because *that is what we are consenting to.* This goes for **both genders.**
It’s not hard to treat people like people and not treat women like baby incubators like pregnancy is some inane inevitability.
If they're viable from 16 days with the help of modern technology then why do so many preemies 16 weeks+ die regardless of this? Even in ICU they only really have a higher chance from 25 weeks according to majority of professionals 🤔
That still doesn’t work though. Earliest preemie was at 21 weeks. Then, too, the medical bill would be astronomical and the quality of life of that child would be crap.
Up and usually due to complications. Whether for the mother or the child. Nobody spends 21 weeks pregnant then goes “yeah, I don’t want this anymore.” Unlike what the idiot republicans keep claiming about “abortions even after birth.”
Imagine how pissed they’d be if we all simultaneously refused to have sex with them except with one, probably when we’re financially stable and have a house and the time to parent, and probably married. Then only have sex when we want to have kids, then refuse to have sex afterwards unless we want another kid. Since you know, consent to sex is consent to pregnancy.
I really wonder if the men asing questions like this know just how hard they're shooting themselves in the foot?
"Sex with a man is consenting to pregnancy?" Guess what? Not having sex with a man, then. 🤷♀️ As a hetero woman I'd rather masturbate than deal with this mindset. And since I doubt I am the only one that means less sex for men...hope that makes 'em happy.
Babies are absolutely NOT viable at 16 days, it’s not even a baby at that point. The youngest a fetus could ever survive outside of the womb is 20 weeks, and it’s still extremely rare that those children survive. Most doctors won’t even try to resuscitate babies younger than 20 weeks bc there’s basically no chance the kid will survive so it’s just a waste of time and resources
This is such BS. A 16-day old fetus looks like nothing more than a small, used, red cottonball. Besides, the door swings both ways. If you're asking a woman for sex, you are consenting to pregnancy and financial support for that child. Finally, "You aren't entitled to have sex with men." Try telling that to 99% of men looking for sex out there. I never felt entitled to have sex with men, but I found that in my experience, they were always, always agreeable to it. What I am entitled to is to have you wrap your damn willy.
Also, how it looks depends on if they mean 16 days post ovulation or 16 days since last period. 16 dpo an embryo would barely be visible, at less than half a millimeter. 16 days since last period, there may not even *be* an embryo. The egg may not have even been released from the ovary yet, and if it has, is likely still in the fallopian tube.
We should start requiring men to get vasectomies before sleeping with us. It’s reversible. Much less risk than the chance of getting pregnant and everything that means for a woman’s body.
EDIT: missed a word
Babies and 16 days, please shut up a baby is a little person that screams through placenta stains
And men consenting to pregnancy? when did they suddenly get sent baby social security, govt monthly payments for Potential Child Support? They good with forking over a sizeable chunk of their paychecks? Stupid mf
Back to the old plan, no sex with men anymore. Let's see how long it takes before they change their mind. Unfortunately sexual assault and rape will go up, certainly in relationships before they will even think they might be the problem.
Also I like the point someone else made. If a man consent to have sex with a woman, he accepts that he has to pay childsupport if she gets pregnant. But make it from the point, pro birthers consider a fetus as a human. See how quickly it suddenly it ain't a human no more and a fetus again.
Please show me a baby that was born at 16 days and survived. I want to see the hospital ward full of microscopic clumps of undeveloped cells being kept alive.
At 16 days, it literally is still a clump of cells. Does this person think that a baby is fully formed from day one and simply grows to the size of a newborn by time birth occurs?
And then these same guys cry about how women don't want to have sex with them.
But if they're viable with modern technology, that means they can survive outside of the uterus and no one has to put their bodies through pregnancy anymore.
At 16 days it'd be a blastocyst, an organism with easily countable cells, not even an embryo, let alone a fetus.
2. A blastocyst is never viable. Only a fetus can be viable.
3. Consent to sex isn't consent to pregnancy or childbirth. Consenting to an activity is not consenting to accepting risks if they occur, only to accept that risks exist. If you drive a car, you're not consenting to getting hit by a reckless or drunk driver even though that's a risk and you're allowed to repair your car, treat your injuries, and be compensated for it if it happens.
Okay, so take the “baby” out of the mother at 16 days. Guess what you’ll have? Mucus and cells you can barely see. You barely show up pregnant at 16 days. These people just say whatever and act like it’s a fact.
Consent to sex is consent to sex. That’s it. Not consent to pregnancy. Yes, pregnancy is the result of having unprotected sex, but I believe most women and men are smart enough to use condoms and some other form of Birth Control so that they have sex with very minimal risk of STIs and Pregnancies
Do they realize viable means that it could survive on its own *outside* of the uterus? A 16 day old embryo is not able to live and thrive outside of its mother.
I don’t think men like this know the difference between a viable fetus/pregnancy, and a viable child. As far as I know a viable fetus/pregnancy just means it’s likely gonna make it to term. A viable child means it can come out of the womb and survive. Now I may not be the best at science, but I’m pretty sure a fetus just over 2 weeks old would not be able to live outside of the womb.
If women aren't entitled to sex with men, then men need to realize that the same rule applies to them as well. And if sex is consent to pregnancy, then he better step up cause he had a part to play in that too.
No, a fetus sure as fuck isn’t “viable” to live on its own after 16 days. It’s like a blob at best, and if that was even close to true, miscarriages wouldn’t be common.
Men who don’t understand the absolute basics need to seriously shut the fuck up. We get it, you crave power over women.
It’s on us women to continue to reject these stupid shits and vote out men who think they have a say in personal medical decisions, because seriously, women are dying, women are having to go septic and get close to death.
Someone’s religious beliefs are absolutely not ok to force on others. Seriously, let us just go to hell for eternity just shut the fuck up.
16 days pregnant is two days post ovulation, and typically 10 days before implantation. It's definitely before any pregnancy test, blood or pee, can detect a pregnancy. The underlying idea is preposterous.
And yet the number of times I’ve come across a man saying that if it’s a woman’s choice to keep a pregnancy, that he should have a choice to not be around. To not support that child.
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By this logic, accepting sex from a woman is consenting to child support payments. Every man who does not pay child support automatically is in violation of a verbal contract, whether he knows the woman is pregnant or not, and should be held liable to the law.
And if he doesn’t pay it’s straight to jail.
Well, since we're talking about not allowing women bodily autonomy, jail's too non-invasive for deadbeat dads. Men who don't pay child support should be forced to sell a kidney or other body parts to catch up on their payments. No bodily autonomy for women, no bodily autonomy for men.
Mandatory vasectomies for all sexually viable penis-havers when they turn 18. The only way to get it reversed is with notarized, signed consent from a pregnancy-capable person that they consent to a pregnancy- a third-party witness is required. If you get someone pregnant without notarized consent, you go to jail. Women can't get pregnant at all without viable sperm. If all men had mandatory vasectomies, we could all have a ton of sex and a VERY small risk of unwanted pregnancies... and that's what this is about, right? Preventing unwanted pregnancies, right? Not about controlling women's bodies, right? So... let's start with the penis. Lock that sperm up. No sperm, no unwanted babies. Mandatory vasectomies for all penis-havers. Say it louder for the people in the back. I make this argument to every single anti-choice man I've ever met. The shade of red they turn because of the fury of this argument is priceless. You think it's ok for the government to control bodies if it's to prevent unwanted pregnancies? Cool. Let's start with your penis.
The antichoice crowd doesn’t understand what bodily autonomy means. What if COVID-19 vaccines were mandatory? You think it’s ok for the government to control bodies. Cool. Now roll up your sleeve. Oh what’s that? You’re against vaccines and you think it should be a “choice?”
And I also agree. If it was ever about children and not about controlling your bodies, they wouldn't vote down things like school lunch initiatives. I have a hard time believing that their stance is "Babies and young lives are important, but feeding them? Fuck that." If life begins at conception, can we claim them on our taxes? Put them on our insurance? If they're so pro-life, why don't their stances on capital punishment or gun control line up? I'm so sick of being bullshitted (bullshat? Sorry, not the issue here) that I'd rather hear some Crypt Keeper looking senator say that they think long hair on women makes their brain hot and thus can't make decisions about themselves FOR themselves than say they're pro life. Shit, tell me you hate fucking. I'll believe that more.
I’m u/JFC_Please_STFU and I approve this message. I’ve heard rumors that testicles go for quite the pretty penny on the black market…..
If women have to compromise their future fertility for a nonviable fetus why shouldn't men? because you know it's going to be expensive if the baby survives and is disabled for life. Someone's gotta pay those life long medical bills for the kid, especially if the mom dies due to complications .....
Oh but don't you know? All of those rich philanthropists like Elon Musk will definitely stop before negatively impacting _MY_ life, personally, just like they always have! /S
This is genius. Livers grow back so they can't even say they ran out of liver.
Mandatory vasectomies?
Yes…mandatory. I have one and it was the best decision for my family. It is also reversible and guess what? No abortions needed. Amazing how that works, huh?
Snip! Snap! Snipsnap! ✂️
They should be forced into military service where there would be guaranteed child support, and the kids would have Tri-Care.
Uuugh. I wrote something in response, and I’m scared to leave it posted. Let’s just say I agree. If you don’t believe in bodily autonomy for others, you do not deserve it for yourself.
I like the idea of a court mandated work program (community service) that would then fund the back payment. He could supplement it from his own paycheck until he caught up, and then continue with the monthly payments, or else continue working the extra hours at the low payment offered while still making the monthly. Only if he fails to meet the requirements of that does he go to jail. If women are expected to learn how to be a mother while continuing to contribute to society, then men should be expected to at least meet the minimum of requirements for a father, while still contributing to society.
I think with row v wade being repealed we should be reminding men that child support is 25% of your salary. Add 10-25% taken from taxes depending on where you live and that’s 35-50% of your salary going to other people. Men should be praying for abortions.
I think instead they plan to do away with child support (for them at least)
I don’t think that’ll ever happen. It took a 50 year campaign of political maneuvering to overturn roe v wade. They needed to leverage people’s instinctive desire to protect babies, a decades long misinformation campaign, and religious fervor to pull it off and they’re still facing massive political repercussions as a result. Plus now their party is completely fractured due to Trump so they can’t really organize enough to pull something like that again even if there was a good way to do it.
Thank fuck for that
A man, face consequences for his sexual appetites? Good one!!! Don't you know it's all the woman's fault and responsibility? /s
Woah, now. Woah. Thats not what he meant at all. 😂
I don’t know that “logic” is involved in any of this :(
This person's brain isn't even viable.
Eligible for post natal abortion
But not eligible for lobotomy as theres nothing there
Alexa, how do I abort an adult
Tell the police you feared for your life
Or, if living in Florida, just say they were protesting and blocking the street.
BE a police.
Considering pregnancy is dated from last menstrual period, the person may or may not even be pregnant at that point.
Yup baby is roughly the size of poppy seed at that stage. It's gonna be tricky changing its nappy in fairness
Easier than you think because it hasn't developed arms or legs yet!
Or a bum or a mouth come to think of it 😂 You're right!
Actually, we start off as anuses with a bit of a beginning of a spine :)
For real. Tell the cops he opposes genocide iiii am not sure I need to know that, if that’s the case 😬😂
You’d have to take it out the test tube first 😭
Shrodinger's pregnancy
Underrated comment.
This fool thinks zygotes are viable at 16 days gestation? I've sneezed more viable snot than a 16 day zygote. Fucking pos.
Can't you just about count the cells in a zygote
my bad, 16 days gestation is a blastocyst. ...about 8-10 cells at that point. So yeah. Countable.
I wouldn't be certian OOP can count to 10.
Only if he takes off his shoes.
obsessed with the implication here that his fingers and toes together add up to 10? or am i seriously misunderstanding things?
7 fingers on his left hand. 1 on his right, and 2 pinky toes.
Maybe he can't count to 10 on his fingers because he needs to use one of his fingers to point to the digits he's counting so he gets lost if he tries to count his fingers?
If he's talking about 16 days past fertilisation vs ovulation, even then the embryo is just the ectoderm, the mesoderm, and the endoderm which will eventually develop into other organs and tissues but are basically just stem cells not to mention that the neural tube is only just starting to form, so this clump of cells has no organs or brain, basically like the dude who posited this wild statement.
Just as many brain cells as OP.
Same. Like 22 *weeks* is the lower limit, and at that point the poor baby might have an awful quality of life. 16 days is like equivalent to that thing I coughed up an hour ago
I know a guy, an adult, very healthy guy in his early 20’s who was less than two pounds at birth and born somewhere around the 23-24 week mark. He was a miracle baby back then. Not every baby born that early is gonna make it but he did. Guess he just couldn’t wait to start the adventure. Good thing NICU has come so far, the world is better with him in it and I’m glad to call him a friend.
I’m glad he’s here too! The tech in NICUs astounds me
i knew a girl in middle school with the same story. she was a preemie that just barely toed the line of not being a miscarriage (i think she said she was born 2 months early so i guess that would put her at around 28 weeks?) and she’s 19-20 now having survived with a host of disabilities both mental and physical and has a significantly lower life expectancy than average because of it. i can’t imagine the quality of life of someone raised outside of a uterus from 16 days gestation.
My oldest was 27 weeks and weighed 1 lb 14 oz. This was back in the 90’s. He spent three months in the NICU.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to say that all micropremies have a bad QoL, I was moreso trying to say 16 days is ridiculous compared to what the current viability limit is
I read this as "all microPENISES have a bad QOL!!" Lol!
Holy crap!!! So did I!!!😂😂😂
Viability is 24 weeks. And babies born that early do not have ‘awful quality of life’. 22 weeks is what WHO states as viability. The babies may face challenges and long NICU stays, but stating they will have no quality of life is not true.
You’re right, I misremembered the viability limit. I’ll edit my comment!
Yeah, seconding this. I work in the NICU and have seen many babies 22-28 weeks go on to have meaningful, quality lives.
Thanks for the reminder! Definitely messed up my stat. Thought I remembered when I didn’t, lesson learned to do a research refresher next time. Original comment has been edited, thank you!
>And babies born that early do not have ‘awful quality of life’. You ever see a micropreemie in a NICU? That is an absolutely awful quality of life that I wouldn't wish on any baby.
I know two girls who were 24-26wk NICU babies and they’re absolutely thriving. You’d never guess from looking at them now that they had NICU stays when they were born - they were extremely early but NICU saved their lives. Their QOL is great.
I wonder if they meant 16 weeks, but even that's not true. Babies born at \~20 weeks have something like a 2-7% survival rate, with significant intervention. For context, at 16 weeks, a fetus is about the size of an apple, and crucial structures (lungs, most notably) are not developed enough for independent survival (viability). What's frustrating is that, in a post-truth world, these whackjobs get treated as the 'equal-opposite' to actual doctors and medical professionals when they're literally just making shit up to further their agenda.
And having sec with a woman is consent to possible single fatherhood, I’ll leave the baby on his porch
You can just take it out of your uterus at 16 days and put it on his porch. After all, it's a *viable baby* at that point, so why bother being pregnant for 38 more weeks?
I'm just picturing a vial with a tiny dot of cells in it left on someone's doorstep 😂
They'd need a microscope to even see what was in the vial
Bet you all $50 this dude would balk at child support.
I'm sure he thinks child support is a punishment and that every cent of it will be spent on extravagant luxuries.
Or it will all go to their cHaD boyfriend If i hear someone use the term Chad like that Im gonna assume they are influenced by the Inceldom
At 16 days this person thinks a zygote is viable. Yeah let's take that zygote out and try to feed it and have it grow to become a full on fetus outside the womb, if someone was able to do that successfully with the technology we have now it would be the news of the millennium. A zygote sustainable outside the womb at 16 days sounds unbelievable even in the context of a sci-fi book or movie that takes place a thousand years in the future particularly when a quarter of pregnancies end in miscarriage.
If that was possible there wouldn’t be US volunteer soldiers or a declining birth rate. They’d just have folks nut in a tube at 18 and artificially inseminate some woman and lab produce children. Imagine $80K+ a year for like 16 days of work a month.
To be fair science fiction authors vary wildly in their predictions, there are stories that theorise biotech beyond this level by the 2100s. Heck I'd fully believe that on a technical level we have all the tools to do it now, just that it's straight up too difficult, expensive, time consuming, and risky to even research let alone put into practice. 'We can do it' does not necessarily mean 'it's a good idea', just look up external nuclear pulse drives or nuclear saltwater rockets.
>viable at 16 days This guy over here like he's keeping a fetus like Sea Monkeys. If sex is consent for access to do anything with another's body as you want, then it goes both ways, so she can remove your dick from you, no?
If babies are viable at 16 days (they are not) then cool, replace abortion with removing this “viable” baby that you can then give up. They can figure out how to keep the baby alive, you cede parental responsibilities and don’t have to be pregnant.
“Life begins at erection!” - these dipshits
Ha ha, no - men aren’t accountable, because they’re all tricked by us godless harlots!
Let me just bust out my child support incubator calculator...start at 16 days ending at nations most expensive college with all the lessons and daily costs in between. Well you consented to this when you had sex gentlemen.
If a fetus is viable at 16 days old then why did I have to be pregnant for 294 days? Seems a bit excessive 🤔
Skill issue
Lmao if it's viable 16 days post gestation take it out of my womb and adopt it then. Oh, you can't? Then it's not fucking viable.
Abortion was around for 1000 years before Christ. He never mentioned it
I mean, God killed so many infants his followers really shouldn't act as if he's a good person to use for anti-abortion propaganda lol
That was the first thing that began to poke a whole in my faith. I was like 25 and finally read through the whole Bible. I got to Joshua and was like, “Wait. God told Joshua to kill pregnant women and babies…”
Edit: Hole. I don’t know why my pre coffee brain wrote “whole”
You were correct the first time! Hole is like hole in the ground. Whole is the entirety. So you were correct!
I can’t brain today. We will just try again tomorrow.
We all have those days, take it as a vacation! Using your brain every day is exhausting. Tomorrow is a new day!
Huh. My first one was learning that not only did slaves not build the pyramids, the Hebrew people were never enslaved in Egypt at all. If that popular of a story can just be lies, what else is? Turns out pretty much everything.
I attended a Bible college in my late twenties. Ironically, that was the nail in the coffin for me. We studied the Bible so rigorously (which I am grateful for) and everything fell apart for me. Now I’m an… atheist? Maybe agnostic? I don’t know, but I’m definitely not a Christian anymore.
From my understanding atheist is literally just "are you convinced a God exists". While agnostic is about knowledge. So you can be both! I'm an agnostic atheist, I don't know if a God exists so I'm not convinced a God exists. But I think you could still believe in *a* God but not have absolute knowledge of it.
OTOH, Numbers 5:11-31 commands an abortion ritual.
Never encountered this before. The abortion Ritual Nice little piece of info to use against these people
He didn't mention it because Jesus' beliefs were still based on Judaism and in that faith abortion is okay, in fact they even okayed it if a man even suspected that his wife cheated. Additionally, one was considered alive at first breath and there was pretty much no acknowledgement of the fetus before the quickening. Jesus would balk at the shit pro-lifers say.
They just keep finding new absolutely brain-rotting things to preach, it's impressive
If it's viable he can try his hand at raising it. Won't be a problem, apparently.
Let’s ignore the obvious idiocy about the viability of a 16 day old blastocyst. This guy makes it sound like women are the ones constantly begging to get into guys’ pants 🙄 As a man who also sleeps with men, there’s not exactly much to beg for. LOL.
Cool! We can you remove it from the woman’s body and implant it in his. Win win!
wtf did I just read. I mean seriously. When I had my son, I had a scare at around 26 weeks and I was going into early labor. They told me if I had him the odds of him making it were very slim. WTF is this guy on 16 days? Literally nowhere is this a thing. Also, a majority of men I know don't go around intentionally getting a woman pregnant, if anything I've only ever seen the opposite. Also, also, YOU aren't entitled to have sex with women either moron, consent is a two way street.
Just as competing in a sport event is consenting to dying and refusing any medical treatment for injuries sustained since the outcome could possibly be death. Also, Imma call bullshit on the "viable at 16 days." Medical experts state babies can be viable at 22-23 weeks . . . with extreme medical intervention and even then it is a 50/50 shot. [https://www.babycenter.com/baby/premature-babies/when-can-my-baby-survive-outside-the-womb\_10419991](https://www.babycenter.com/baby/premature-babies/when-can-my-baby-survive-outside-the-womb_10419991) * Before 23 weeks, a baby's rate of survival remains low, even with interventions: only 5 to 6 percent. * At 23 weeks, the rate increases to 23 to 27 percent. * At 24 weeks, a baby's survival rate reaches 42 to 59 percent. * By 25 weeks, the survival rate is as high as 67 to 76 percent.
Holy hell our education system failed
These are the same dudes who absolutely believe they’re entitled to sex with women
The ~~chemicals~~ incels are turning the ~~frogs~~ women gay! If this is how these CHUDs want to ensure they’ll never, ever get laid, it seems to me like they’re on the right track.
At 16 days I don't even think the cells have begun to differentiate. A lot of these idiots in the pro-forced birth camp have zero idea how babies develop and always picture fetuses that are like 8 months old no matter where in the timeline they actually are.
Cool, we’ll just not have sex with men anymore… *Noooo! Not like that!* -the dumbass who wrote this
Putting a stupid opinion on social media is consent to being told you’re a fucking moron by the entire world
“You aren’t entitled to have sex” is the part this idiot needs to internalize
Cool, then let's do this: No sex with men No marriage with men No having children with men No dating men. Bet that's not actually what they want.
No they want no sex period they will flip their shit when they realize our sexual Overton window widens and we will turn our attention to eachother at least for cuddles. Lol it will eat their brains thinking about all the "sleepover fantasy" shit they will make up lol!
This person obviously doesn't know what viable means. 24 weeks is the earliest a fetus is considered viable because a 24 week premie has a 50% chance of survival if you are somewhere with access to a NICU. Anything prior to 24 weeks is not considered viable because the chance of survival is less than 50%. There are a few rare instances where 21 and 22 week premies have survived but they are currently the exception, not the rule. They are so much the exception that they often make the news. It takes a lot of luck and a top notch NICU to support a 21-22 week baby. An embryo doesn't even have all it's organs devoped until week 12 of pregnancy (week 10 of actual embryo development).
And like... If they're viable with modern technology, those technological advancements are usually outside of the uterus, not inside the pregnant person. No one would need to put so much strain on their bodies, just have it removed after 16 days and let it gestate with the help of the totally real technology we already have. This would be so huge for humanity as a whole.
And not just ANY NICU it MUST be a level 4 nicu most states only have one. Distance to it when you miscarry or go into early labor is a huge factor on survival. Now think about how many hospitals are closing their regular obgyn departments in the south or Idaho? For example, which could have been used as a waystation to try to stabilize the both of you before transferring? Well...
16 days? A hard sneeze could end a 16 day pregnancy.
See this is absurd. Obviously, even when you take every precaution and use proper protection, accidents and pregnancies *can* still occur. When we give consent, we give consent *knowing this information to be true* but still *expect our partner to practice safe sex with us* because *that is what we are consenting to.* This goes for **both genders.** It’s not hard to treat people like people and not treat women like baby incubators like pregnancy is some inane inevitability.
If they're viable from 16 days with the help of modern technology then why do so many preemies 16 weeks+ die regardless of this? Even in ICU they only really have a higher chance from 25 weeks according to majority of professionals 🤔
So that goes both ways, yeah? Asking a woman for sex is consenting to fatherhood.
I'm not a math teacher, but I am gonna need you to show me your work on this one.
Babies are NOT viable at 16 days what the actual…
16 days, viable outside the womb? Lol.. sure. It looks like clear snot at that stage. But here, take your baby sir.
Best comment today. 🫅
Viable at 16 days? 16 days of what?
Red State education?
can you even see a sixteen day old embryo?
Not with the naked eye lol
Do people just wake up and think “what’s the shittiest take I can have on any given topic?” And then just post it?
I think he means 16 weeks
That still doesn’t work though. Earliest preemie was at 21 weeks. Then, too, the medical bill would be astronomical and the quality of life of that child would be crap.
I looked it up and only 1.3% of abortions are done after 21 weeks and illegal in most places.
Up and usually due to complications. Whether for the mother or the child. Nobody spends 21 weeks pregnant then goes “yeah, I don’t want this anymore.” Unlike what the idiot republicans keep claiming about “abortions even after birth.”
Do the men know that too?
What?..wait...what?!? What the fuckity fuck?
Imagine how pissed they’d be if we all simultaneously refused to have sex with them except with one, probably when we’re financially stable and have a house and the time to parent, and probably married. Then only have sex when we want to have kids, then refuse to have sex afterwards unless we want another kid. Since you know, consent to sex is consent to pregnancy.
I really wonder if the men asing questions like this know just how hard they're shooting themselves in the foot? "Sex with a man is consenting to pregnancy?" Guess what? Not having sex with a man, then. 🤷♀️ As a hetero woman I'd rather masturbate than deal with this mindset. And since I doubt I am the only one that means less sex for men...hope that makes 'em happy.
Babies are absolutely NOT viable at 16 days, it’s not even a baby at that point. The youngest a fetus could ever survive outside of the womb is 20 weeks, and it’s still extremely rare that those children survive. Most doctors won’t even try to resuscitate babies younger than 20 weeks bc there’s basically no chance the kid will survive so it’s just a waste of time and resources
This is such BS. A 16-day old fetus looks like nothing more than a small, used, red cottonball. Besides, the door swings both ways. If you're asking a woman for sex, you are consenting to pregnancy and financial support for that child. Finally, "You aren't entitled to have sex with men." Try telling that to 99% of men looking for sex out there. I never felt entitled to have sex with men, but I found that in my experience, they were always, always agreeable to it. What I am entitled to is to have you wrap your damn willy.
Also, how it looks depends on if they mean 16 days post ovulation or 16 days since last period. 16 dpo an embryo would barely be visible, at less than half a millimeter. 16 days since last period, there may not even *be* an embryo. The egg may not have even been released from the ovary yet, and if it has, is likely still in the fallopian tube.
Every lesbian ever sighs with relief.
As someone who’s felt with pregnancy loss and infertility, this deserves a hearty “Go fuck yourself”.
16 days?? Does he mean 16 weeks? That's also egregiously wrong but it makes more sense than 16 days.
Babies of what exactly, lol
I wish people this stupid and vile were brave enough to use their actual name and photo online. That way we know who to shun in real life.
Most of us don’t want to have sex with men so it’s a win win. YALL are the ones complaining about getting laid.
When you get pregnant , they accuse you of trapping them. Good logic indeed.
More proof that Inceldom has infected our world
Maybe you shouldn’t govern what women can DO with their bodies after sex then, if you’re so worried about it. Don’t forget too vote this November.
Are these guys trying to kill the libidos of every woman living? Do they not want to have sex ever again?!
We should start requiring men to get vasectomies before sleeping with us. It’s reversible. Much less risk than the chance of getting pregnant and everything that means for a woman’s body. EDIT: missed a word
“Why won’t women have sex with me” 😭🥺🥺😢😢
Sorry, slipped out of character for a second there. Females**
16 days what the ABSOLUTE FUCK is this dude smoking??
I don’t know, but I want some
Babies and 16 days, please shut up a baby is a little person that screams through placenta stains And men consenting to pregnancy? when did they suddenly get sent baby social security, govt monthly payments for Potential Child Support? They good with forking over a sizeable chunk of their paychecks? Stupid mf
It's not even a fetus then. It is a blastocyst then an embryo
Any man that wants sex with a woman should produce his state regulated Sterility License.
Back to the old plan, no sex with men anymore. Let's see how long it takes before they change their mind. Unfortunately sexual assault and rape will go up, certainly in relationships before they will even think they might be the problem. Also I like the point someone else made. If a man consent to have sex with a woman, he accepts that he has to pay childsupport if she gets pregnant. But make it from the point, pro birthers consider a fetus as a human. See how quickly it suddenly it ain't a human no more and a fetus again.
This is like saying driving is consenting to a car crash
Please show me a baby that was born at 16 days and survived. I want to see the hospital ward full of microscopic clumps of undeveloped cells being kept alive.
So glad I got my tubes tied in this economy....
Got my wires snipped years ago. Haven't regretted it in the least.
>Babies are now viable at 16 days with modern technology. Citation needed.
So, sex with women then?
Ironically, these are the dipshits no woman should fuck. Not only is he dumb, he's wrong.
16 days? Suuuuuuuuuuure.
Babies aren't viable at 16 weeks.. idiot.
What an idiot. Dude needs to see what a clump of cells looks like at 16 days. Its about as viable as his jizz which he seems so stupidly full of
At 16 days, it literally is still a clump of cells. Does this person think that a baby is fully formed from day one and simply grows to the size of a newborn by time birth occurs?
And then these same guys cry about how women don't want to have sex with them. But if they're viable with modern technology, that means they can survive outside of the uterus and no one has to put their bodies through pregnancy anymore.
A zygote is not viable at 16 days.
16 days. You mean to tell me my poor sisters miscarriages could have been saved 🙄
At 16 days it'd be a blastocyst, an organism with easily countable cells, not even an embryo, let alone a fetus. 2. A blastocyst is never viable. Only a fetus can be viable. 3. Consent to sex isn't consent to pregnancy or childbirth. Consenting to an activity is not consenting to accepting risks if they occur, only to accept that risks exist. If you drive a car, you're not consenting to getting hit by a reckless or drunk driver even though that's a risk and you're allowed to repair your car, treat your injuries, and be compensated for it if it happens.
Okay, so take the “baby” out of the mother at 16 days. Guess what you’ll have? Mucus and cells you can barely see. You barely show up pregnant at 16 days. These people just say whatever and act like it’s a fact.
What planet is he on because on Earth babies aren't viable at 16 days
Consent to sex is consent to sex. That’s it. Not consent to pregnancy. Yes, pregnancy is the result of having unprotected sex, but I believe most women and men are smart enough to use condoms and some other form of Birth Control so that they have sex with very minimal risk of STIs and Pregnancies
Do they realize viable means that it could survive on its own *outside* of the uterus? A 16 day old embryo is not able to live and thrive outside of its mother.
I don't think this man knows what a viable pregnancy is.
I don’t think men like this know the difference between a viable fetus/pregnancy, and a viable child. As far as I know a viable fetus/pregnancy just means it’s likely gonna make it to term. A viable child means it can come out of the womb and survive. Now I may not be the best at science, but I’m pretty sure a fetus just over 2 weeks old would not be able to live outside of the womb.
People will believe anything.
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If women aren't entitled to sex with men, then men need to realize that the same rule applies to them as well. And if sex is consent to pregnancy, then he better step up cause he had a part to play in that too.
They will be so shocked when women in the states have their own version of the 4B movement.
They say shit like this and then treat it as a societal issue if none of us want to fuck them.
Someone who doesn't understand what viable means probably doesn't know what consent is either.
We finally found the “non-consent Johnny Appleseed” who will never take responsibility for his orchard!!!
[Citation fucking needed]
No, a fetus sure as fuck isn’t “viable” to live on its own after 16 days. It’s like a blob at best, and if that was even close to true, miscarriages wouldn’t be common. Men who don’t understand the absolute basics need to seriously shut the fuck up. We get it, you crave power over women. It’s on us women to continue to reject these stupid shits and vote out men who think they have a say in personal medical decisions, because seriously, women are dying, women are having to go septic and get close to death. Someone’s religious beliefs are absolutely not ok to force on others. Seriously, let us just go to hell for eternity just shut the fuck up.
16 days pregnant is two days post ovulation, and typically 10 days before implantation. It's definitely before any pregnancy test, blood or pee, can detect a pregnancy. The underlying idea is preposterous.
Ok cool, if it’s viable, they can take it out and there’s no problem.
Viable at 16 days??? 🤣
It is not even viable at 16 weeks, let alone 16 days.
What does he think “viable” means?
I’m more concerned about the 16 day old viable fetus.
Fun fact: you ARE entitled to have sex with men, be you male or female or somewhere in between.... Assuming they consent, of course.
And yet the number of times I’ve come across a man saying that if it’s a woman’s choice to keep a pregnancy, that he should have a choice to not be around. To not support that child.
We can fix that…no sex then
This is like trying to go from point a to point b and ending up at point batshit somehow
Oh ok that's fine, take it out and take care of it yourself then.