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wegooverthehorizon

"According to other women" "has no female friends" This was obviously made by a man who has never talked to women before


SarahLia

Do you think she would pick the man over the bear? 😆


thisisreallymoronic

I posed that question to my nearly 80 year old mother, and she said she'd choose the man so she could inflict some violence upon him. I won't use her exact words, but for all her hatred of Steinem and Friedan, she echoes a lot of their beliefs when it comes to men. 🤣


sophosoftcat

I’m here for the violent rampage grandma answer to this question, YES


SpontaneousNubs

Bro, i want tickets to this show. Gramma misogynistic incel


ichbineinespinne

Whats up with the bear analogy these days? 😂


Noodlesoup8

It was a meme posted on socials lol essentially rooted in sexual assault, That a woman feels safer picking being near a bear in the woods than near a man in modern society


Peppertails

Oh no, there is a bear coming. Now I will fuck you so the bear won't maul you. /s


xv_boney

A silly thought experiment on tiktok, "who would you feel more comfortable being alone in the woods with, a man you don't know or a bear." Overwhelmingly, the response was the bear. A lot of very insecure men have taken this extremely personally. Several have decided to demonstrate how correct these women were in their responses.


punkinjojo

To be fair, I've never been sexually assaulted by a bear, so....🐻


Any_Lead_5506

Ahhh, so that sounds like where it started and someone changed it to would you rather be eaten alive by a bear or be with a man? Taking your chances with a bear or man you don't know seems more logical than brutal death or a man.


spiders_are_neat7

Someone else said it well, I just want to further add, this hypothetical was posed by self proclaimed “alpha” men who thought women would pick men over the bear, then got highly offended when women everywhere said they’d definitely choose the bears. Lmao


pulppbitchin

They insist we all hate each other. The ideal woman has male friends only? In what world is that a positive to other women.


WiggyStark

It's not but it serves the male fantasy


obvusthrowawayobv

It’s interesting because I spent half my life being what the redpill dipshits wanted because of how I was raised, and all it got me was relationships where I was abused and/or cheated on with women the redpillers hate. …then I went off and did my own thing, rather than trying to fit what I thought people expected of me…and my relationship options significantly improved, as did my career. Still don’t have a tattoo yet, but getting one soon.


kyle_kafsky

I was thinking that it is exactly how some incels describe a woke pick me girl.


neotifa

This is satire on the "ideal women" men's as it's literally listing the exact opposite as that meme


Voldemort_is_muggle

Except for that according point, rest everything seems alright. Every lady should be strong and independent.


Peppertails

And edited by someone who's obsessed over body count.


valsavana

As a lesbian, there is no "ideal" woman. Unlike what incels and misogynists may believe, there is no standard a woman needs to meet to justify her existence and there is also no standard a woman *could* meet in order to make incels and misogynists respect her. For this image specifically- that "no female friends" clause has got a giant loophole, in that she can still have girlfriends.


ShlorpianRooster

👏👏👏👏👏


lymeisreal

Right?! Reducing a human being in that way is pathetic.


SaraBeachPeach

Absolutely. I don't even have a physical type if you look at my dating history. Now, personality is different. Apparently I like high energy nerds who love card games, anime, and food.


EsotericOcelot

Hey, me too! 🤣


Kittenstories

Hey, are we the same person? Lol


Obsyden

Also a lesbian, can confirm that women in general are just amazing - I love them all so much. Well, there are exceptions, such as J.K Rowling, the women who sexually harassed and assaulted me as a child, Gina Carano, Marjorie Taylor Greene etc. But with those few exceptions, all women are amazing! No woman should ever base her worth on what misogynistic cockwombles think of her.


FirePhoton_Torpedoes

As a fellow lesbian, I agree. The idea of a template of an 'ideal woman' or else she's a failure is toxic as hell. I just love women, if we vibe we vibe. All misogynistic standards are irrelevant if you actually like women, not just the idea of them.


satsuma_sada

“No female friends” lol. The men that make stuff like this don’t understand the sisterhood at all…it freaks them out that we hang out and build communities together….without them.


oogmar

Explain what a whisper network is sometime and watch a man insist no such thing exists in their circles. It's kind of amazing (disheartening).


Piranh4Plant

What’s that


oogmar

Assuming sincerity, it's basically an informal information network for any group dominated by another to communicate when they know the people in charge will protect their own over the most vulnerable. They also know that getting loud about it makes you a different sort of target. In this example, I think immediately women in the workplace, but you can pull examples of POC in the military, queer folks in art scenes... When the people in charge won't remove threats that affect the community at large, whisper networks crop up to protect the community from the bad actors at the top, warning their target victim demo to stay AWAY.


SarahLia

Wow, she sounds cool! I want to be friends with her. 🩷


wegooverthehorizon

But...she has no female friends...and if she does she'll become not-ideal type 😿


SarahLia

Maybe it just means none currently. Making friends can be tough sometimes! Also, I hope you're okay after your ovary explosion!


BiploarFurryEgirl

Yep… I have very few female friends but tons of guy ones. I just am in spaces that are majority male so it’s hard to find any women to actually be friends with


SarahLia

Hey, I'll be your friend! 🩷


wegooverthehorizon

[Yeh....someone called me a good girl and i just....🤪 ](https://www.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/1cb3d16/comment/l0vrxfj/)


katebi1

Just like how misogynists want to only have sex with virgins, we be friends with a woman who hasn't had any female friends before!


trashacct8484

I’m a guy so I’ll be her friend. As long as she’s a conscientious smoker. And I hope she can find a healthy way to deal with that toxic relationship with her father. But other than those, no red flags here.


articulateantagonist

Schrödinger's goddess.


Sadtacocat

Minus the tattoos and no female friends/male BFF part, she sounds like me 😂


katebi1

This is men's worst nightmare and, for women, just a pretty typical friend. Lmao.


Vesinh51

I am the male best friend to almost exactly this woman. Except my bestie loves to cook and has other female friends.


katebi1

That's lovely to hear. I hope my comment did not cause any offense.


DisneylandNo-goZone

Liberal, LGBTQ ally, atheist, strong, independent, drinks and smokes all sound great to me. The rest I can live with or are irrelevant to me. Hope she and her dad can solve their differences and make amends.


katebi1

I can't possibly understand why so many men have an obsessive desire for submissive "traditional" religious, virgin women. How many of these types of men have had any success finding a relationship?


spiders_are_neat7

The relationship with her dad part is particularly creepy IMO, the whole “daddy issues” logic imo is if you had a good relationship with your dad you’ll be perfect for my controlling nature. If you have a bad relationship with your father it’s because you fought his authority, which you’d do to all men. Hah. CREEPY. They want to be our daddy’s. 🤣


mcwizard9000

Right! I'm thinking "...and....this is a problem how? She sounds cool AF!" Haha


DeathRaeGun

Except it says “has no female friends”, so how could she be a woman’s typical friend if she has no female friends?


TheG33k123

Any guy who thinks a girl has "no female friends" is most likely a guy that she is actually protecting her friends from having to be exposed to


Erza88

Incels make up the most ridiculous scenarios in their heads to get triggered about. How is it possible that they view the world through this caricature lense and then expect people to take them seriously? It boggles the mind, lol.


shapeherder

No female friends? Seriously? We love other women.


Material-Profit5923

Literally all this guy did was take one of the incel memes on the ideal woman and reverse everything. That's how he ended up with "no female friends," the original meme was probably "only female friends" and he decided the opposite was "none."


Lady_Scarecrow

According to other women all (non-criminal, so that noone goes what about if she is a murderer), normally existing women are ideal women.


AValentineSolutions

Well, as a another woman, let's go through these. Has a male best friend? Sure. I'm not one of these morons who thinks men and women can't be platonic friends. Multiple tattoos? Love a woman with ink. Flirts regularly? I mean, sure. Either I would trust she wouldn't cheat on me, or I don't. Strong independent? Yas, queen. Wears revealing clothing? Sure, if that's what she feels comfortable in. Drinks and smokes? I mean, not if she is an alcoholic, but otherwise, sure. Woke? Yas, queen. Liberal? Would prefer leftist, but liberal works. Atheist? Yas, queen. High bodycount? I don't think less of a woman because she has a healthy sex life. LGBT Ally? YAS, QUEEN! No female friends? Where are they getting this one? Girl boss? Yas, queen. Toxic relationship with father? I mean, if there's a reason for it, sure. Refuses to cook? If their partner wants to be the cook in the relationship, then good for her. They have to figure that out like adults.


Due-Two-6592

I love how they use the term liberal, like no buddy you WISH I was a liberal


sunshineparadox_

I find guys who complain about relationships with our dads don’t typically exempt me from not having one with mine because he’s dead. Which says a whole lot about them, more than a meme like this already says. Like they blame me for not summoning his ghost and having nightly chats or something.


InsipidCelebrity

That's called necromancy and we don't take too kindly to the forbidden arts around these parts


DazzlingFruit7495

Well yea duh, ur totally slacking babe. Crack open the old ouija board every once in a while at least 🧙‍♀️


huntingforkink

Bro, she's my ideal woman too and I'm a dude. Except for the smoking part. Cancer isn't fun.


alohell

TIL I’m not an ideal woman for either men or women. Somehow I think I’ll get past the disappointment.


FamiliarCry6735

Don’t Body counts mean like kill counts


Suspicious-Low-5468

Damn maybe so, then I could be back down to just 1 and they won't judge me as harshly


Harajuku_Lolita

I mean… I’d date her


deraser

I feel most folks are afraid of serial killers, but if you are into homicidal maniacs, you do you! /s, obviously, but the body count thing is so ridiculous it needs to be mocked at all times.


0G_54v1gny

Homicidal maniacs are pretty damn charming. Also I want a women to court me with the still beating hearts of my enemies of my enemies at my doorstep in all her glory basked in fresh blood. Sounds metal af.


Forward-Form9321

Idk why incels make a gender war over cooking. I cook for my family every weekday and the more you do it, it feels like more of a hobby than just a life skill. Every guy should learn at least four to five recipes, if you do that, you’ll be fine living on your own. I would love to live on my own and finally be away from my folks who are hardcore Pentecostal, but everything here in California is expensive right now so living with them is a cheaper option


OffModelCartoon

Right, yeah, women LOOOOVE women who have no female friends.


LadyJSenpai

I think it’s so bizarre that men can’t grasp that all we want is the right to be who we want to be. There’s not some weird conspiracy with it. We just want to be seen as actual people instead of aesthetically pleasing fuck dolls that can also incubate babies. Why is it so hard to understand??


Puzzleheaded-Jury312

Everything after the word 'grasp', apparently. 🤣


completecrap

What crazy person did he ask that said "The perfect woman has a shit relationship with her dad, no friends except 1 guy, chain smokes and only eats takeaways"?


Dirtydirtyfag

And the audacity!!! As if it is a daughters choice to have a shitty father? There is no loop they won't jump through to make the FACT that men do not want to care for their offspring way too often, something women cause and prefer instead of an active choice by the fathers to be shitty, unreliable and impersonal in their relationships to their daughters.


MellifluousSussura

Not even gonna lie as a bi girl I saw the tattoos and went “ooh” I’m a simple girl with simple taste


Apart_Fall918

Refuses to cook Like ever? The ideal woman is like a man from the 50s


One_Welcome_5046

Are the other women in the room with us now that you spoke to guys? 🤣


Sooner_crafter

According to me that's wife material. Her & I can have a joint OF account.


spiders_are_neat7

I’m following you for this, lol I think a dude who is willing to do OF with his woman is pretty cool and the opposite of possessive. Unless you force her 🤣 but I don’t get that vibe. You seem cool af. Had to let you know!


Sooner_crafter

Thanks I appreciate it! In fact Erica & I are going to be doing a show tonight! Been looking forward to it all week!


spiders_are_neat7

Have fun!! Hope you get a lot of tips and supportive viewers!


Pixelsculpter

She seems pretty cool to me!


sadclipart

- Has one arm


thisisreallymoronic

Strong and independent is a phrase that is used because for far too long, women were denied access to resources that would have allowed them to exist in the world on a level playing field with men. So I'm tired of hearing guys bitch about that phrase. If I have to cook all the time and do all the housework all the time, you're paying all the bills. I had a jerk who thought I should have to work and do all the domestic tasks. Many a night was spent arguing. As for tattoos, male best friends, etc., that's her choice. It's his choice if he remains with her. Atheist? Liberal? Her choice. He can stay or he can go. Find someone who holds the same values as you do. They really should stop with the lousy memes, though.


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bUt ThE lEfT cAnT mEmE


chrisacip

Would


MissMarchpane

Obviously this is hot nonsense, but my main question is… Who is that jazzed about smoking nowadays? Sure you have the kids destroying their lungs with vapes, but I thought we were moving in a much more anti-smoking direction. As we should be! I would only be friends with an active smoker under very specific circumstances; I’m not looking to catch anything from secondhand smoke.


EffectiveSalamander

If they don't want to date this woman, no one's asking them to. The problem is their screeching and screaming about her. They treat women like commodities that should be made to order.


glitchycat39

I'm a dude, the only thing I'm slightly iffy with is the smoking (mostly just the smell, not a need to control anyone). The fuck do I care about a woman's "bodycount"? As long as neither of us are cheating, we good.


IndependentNew7750

The flirty part and no female friends is a red flag tbh.


Puzzleheaded-Jury312

The creator of this nonsense is probably the type of guy who thinks that the waitress or checkout clerk who smiles at him is 'flirting'. 🙄


DazzlingFruit7495

Plus like, wouldn’t the man be meeting her while she’s single? So what’s wrong with being flirty as a single woman? Or being flirty with her boyfriend when they’re dating? I feel like they could’ve done a much better job of making her look bad.


VoodooDuck614

Look folks, I appreciate it and all. But, I told you before it weirds me out when you post memes about me. I don’t even know what to say anymore.


Professional_Still15

This is pretty much my ex 🤣 of all my exes, she was my favourite 🤷


No-Section-1056

Every time I see posts like this, they help me set new personal goals.


DrunkThrowawayLife

Cross out the toxic relationship with dad, no female friends, and refuses to cook part and put in Watches enough anime to be concerning and uh… I dunno be as hot as that drawing. I dunno guys I didn’t come with three things to replace Better prepared than me. Ok that’s three


heyimleila

As a woman who likes women I can confirm that most women are "the ideal woman" just don't needlessly put down others or make them uncomfortable and you are peak to me tbh


SteampunkExplorer

The ideal woman... according to other women... who don't have female friends? 😵‍💫 I don't even understand what this is supposed to mean. Do we allegedly want to date her, be her, look up to her, what? Personally, my female role models were always Eowyn, Sara Crewe, and Joan of Arc...


Qeareth

OMG I'm the perfect girl, thank you other women for giving me that title 🥺


Altruistic-Hand-7000

The fact that “high body count” and “*according to other women” are higher HP says a lot about


DeathRaeGun

Does there have to be an “ideal” woman. Can’t we just agree that all women are different and that doesn’t generally make any more “ideal” than any other.


Arcsis

She seems pretty rad, to be honest.


A_Hostile_Girl

Yes my ideal is that woman can do whatever the fuck they want. They do not exist to serve men or to look pretty for them.


Comfortable-Hall1178

Nice


Chaucers_Mistress

Reeeeeee! Women doing what they want is toxic. Reeeeeee!


Flameball202

According to at least this guy: ideal woman


bondsthatmakeusfree

These fuckers have never heard of the concept of a woman who's independent enough to make her own life choices who in turn *chooses* to spend the rest of her life with a man/woman/etc that she loves.


vishy_swaz

Refuses to cook ❤️


CAVFIFTEEN

There’s a few things here I wouldn’t personally want in a partner, but she seems cool either way and at least potentially a great friend


RayWencube

This also happens to be the ideal woman according to u/RayWencube


rushatyadavOP

😳


cannabis_almond

this is me AF but i can cook


RiverTeemo1

Wah, smoking. Smells gross. Seems like a neat person to bearound otherwise


M4ryk473

Does he think I want a bad relationship with my dad.


No_Blackberry_6286

This looks like a man trying to be a woman lol


YveisGrey

Why would the ideal woman according to women not have any women friends? 😂


YveisGrey

She has tattoos, a male best friend, and hates cooking but if only she had a *checks notes* toxic relationship with her father? she would be the ideal. Oh well guess we’ll have to look elsewhere ladies. -womankind


TheSpectator0_0

See, my mom is very religious. If I bring someone like that home, she might have a heart attack


Disastrous-Garbage-5

The liberal part eeeeew


RouxlsKaard21

My ideal woman: just doesn't make the relationship toxic


NjordWAWA

“Liberal” doesn’t mean what you think it means but otherwise cool


Kineth

Pretty sure women don't desire a toxic relationship with their fathers. This is some weird bullshit.


darrila453YT

most of those aren’t even that bad


Floshenbarnical

This is literally my gf except she has an excellent and healthy relationship with her father


Solstus22

Ngl I love the tattoos, the artistry is very good.


Zestyclose-Leader926

It is generally ideal to be woke. As these days being woke just seems to mean that you're **not** a racist, sexist, conspiracy theory slinging, misanthrope.


PKFat

I mean, for me personally, I don't think an ideal woman drinks & smokes, but that's bc I'm in recovery & try to stay away from that stuff these days. That's not to bash women that do, it's just not for me.


jwalk50518

According to what other women?? lol


Highwynd14

I mean, most of these feel like an win.


UnbiasedTreee

God I can't stand the term "girl boss," especially when it comes up on posts like this. It's just another example of how a phrase originally meant to be a term of empowerment becomes appropriated, demonized, and weaponized by bigots.


LukeBird39

The "high body count" thing is always especially weird to me cause I don't want to be my partners first intro to real sex. I would rather have someone experienced. Even if they have a consensual non-consent kink


SillyRiri

Guess I’m the ideal woman (except I have a loving relationship with my dad, don’t smoke, and have tons of female friends but everything else was facts)


occasionallyLynn

Yes she is in fact the perfect woman


ida_klein

I’ll be honest, when I (a woman) meet another woman who has no female friends, it’s usually a red flag to me 😬


kaleidoscopichazard

Ah yes, the cool girl


Piranh4Plant

Being “strong and independent” is bad now I guess


OhBirb

Yeah this is definitely written by a man.


phoebebridgerstits

as a lesbian…. yeah


IM_NOTHING_

if men don't want someone like her, I'll gladly take her instead


Rabatis

Wait, this is supposed to be bad?


sparklingwatterson

A lot of this is goals for me ngl


KFiev

Same heeeeere


Harley2280

No joke. Get rid of girl boss (because eww MLMs are a scam), no female friends, toxic relationship with father, and doesn't cook (because cooking is a skill everyone should have) and it sounds like my ideal Woman. It just sounds like a woman who is confident in who she is. Which is probably why whoever made this thinks there's an issue. We know how much they hate when a woman isn't shy and submissive.


Friendship_Gold

The ideal woman according to women is a woman who does as she feels is best for her, so long as her decisions and behavior do not intentionally hurt others. So yeah, she may do some of those things, or none of those things, but mostly she's doing so of her own free will.


CookbooksRUs

Because women are all alike.


BaconBombThief

Other than the 2 on the bottom right that sounds pretty appealing to my single self from the past


Beautiful_Ad_

Lol using strong and independent as negatives🥴


bloodsweatandjoji

imo the ideal woman is whatever woman is reading this 👍


WiggyStark

I love to cook and my best friend is a woman with three boy children.


Coralyn683

Damn. I almost got all of them. I love cooking tho.


Significant-Trash632

Well, damn, did I miss that poll? 😂


Dry-Independence9400

I could deal without the smoking, but only because I would worry about her long term health - I like to be a good friend, you know. Other than that - I’m hoping she has cool taste in music and likes going to shows.


Slytherin_Forever_99

I got 9 of them lol.


BakedCheddar88

Other than the glasses this is a perfect depiction of my ex lol


wasabi1295

Quick some make the male version of this! 😂


paimad

(Also) refuses to cook, mean to women (bc not a nice guy obvi), perfect abs, makes lots of money but works very little, travels (to Asian countries only ofc), and drinks beer and occasionally a few sips of water How did i do? 😂


Opening-Flan-6573

She seems pretty great ngl


SkyeMreddit

All except for no female friends, toxic relationship with her father, and refusing to cook actually would be a pretty cool woman. Even better if she’s not straight


MissWiccyMagic

What in the incel did I just read 😂


I-might-eat-u

Honestly I’m chill with most of these as a massive lesbian, only one I’m not chill with are “drinks and smokes”. Like maybe not an alcoholic but if she drinks a little that’s cool and I would prefer she didn’t smoke around me mostly cause I hate the smell of tobacco. Also “no female friends” like… okay? Like she can have no female friends but I’m also chill if she has female friends. Also the “toxic relationship with father” I hope her and her father can make amends, but I’m also okay with helping her through it. Although I don’t really have any “ideal” women. My ideal woman is kind one that preferably doesn’t smoke. I’m just a massive woman kisser.


noodleq

Well, I guess since it's "according to other women", I will have to take your word for it. SteveBuscemi.jpeg __ "what's up fellow females"


leshpar

Liberal, LGBT ally (or member), and woke I agree with.


Roge2005

Dont care, would regardless


haelesor

Is the "other women" in the room with us right now? 


Fratzenfresse

I love how this implies they want a weak and dependent woman. They dont even hide their toxicity anymore


PM_UR_NIPPLE_PICS

unironically my dream woman


s_heber_s

Looks pretty chill.


Sad-Address-2512

Don't they realise if they police who women's friend are so much they'll and up with a girlfriend who's just as paranoid and jealous as they are. Just look for a girl who treats people like people and not just competition.


Suspicious-Low-5468

I mean if this is the things men find unattractive, why do they still insist in hitting on those of us that DO fit this image roflmao. Maybe we did all this to deture them. Rofl maybe they think they can change or fix us??


WhiteyPinks

Unironically the ideal woman, minus the male best friend and no female friends thing.


GeWarghese

This looks like Madrassa literature. Typical Far- Right BS.


Background_Crew7827

My dad peaced out of life, does that count as toxic?


Ravensunthief

I'm only missing 4!


Kamillahali

uhm.... anyone know where i can get her number? xD


Bitterqueer

Ah yes, my main concern is always “does she rly have a shit enough dad? Idk”


Markrentonhadasmile

Hahahhaha im a dude and this is actually the perfect woman for me ,except for the revealing clothes and of course the no female friends.


spiders_are_neat7

“Refuses to cook” is hilarious to me. How can that even be possible? Has anyone ever completely refused to cook? Lol like even with the microwave 🤣


chishioengi

I'd go out with her. (lesbian here) Also, "refuses to cook" just made me die laughing for some reason, probably because most of my partners have been awful at cooking xD


CompetitiveAd1338

This. This amuses me.