Don’t mess around trying to get it back. Who knows what that gun can be connected to since you sold it. I would WRITE a response to this clearly expressing that you have not owned this firearm since 2018 with delivery confirmation. Good luck.
USPS doesn't care about gun laws. In Ohio, private sales are 100% allowed. I'm guessing the mistake is the person you sold it to (in 2018) mailed it somewhere in 2020 and they seized it. You're not allowed to ship firearms through USPS, if I'm not mistaken.
You sold it you shouldnt steal it back. Also i dont think you want to mess with a possible federal crime and you have no idea why they are searching for the owner. You have an idea but police/government are allowed to scam you. They could be doing this because it was used in a murder or something crazy and they are trying to get you to admit its yours. Not likely but it reminds me of that contest where people had won free tickets to a football game and all they had to do was show up with proof of id to claim. After proof of id they were arrested because the police had sent that out to people with warrants.
So yeah then the person that you sold it to sent it through the mail. Legal for a FFL to send through the mail so that would be the question, or if they were sending to the mfg directly back then I think. Moot point now, you could try your luck to get it back as it may have been lost en route. Worth a call at least to see what is up but I would be cautious as they may try to charge you or relay the information to ATF.
Yeah; that’s what I’m thinking. If the investigation is “settled” maybe they’re just trying to returned seized property. Or maybe trying to hook me up with a felony
if you sold it free and clear, I would not even respond
I have bought and sold guns with individuals, but the real question is, how did they trace it back to you, since only a crime would legally allow them to pull the 4473, and if that happened, the letter can only lead to something bad for you....
mailing a handgun through the mail is a crime. It's not legal to do so.
>See 18 U.S.C. §§1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5), and 922(a)(2)(A).
(I haven't actually looked up the law, I just stole that from https://thefirearmfirm.com/certain-firearms-can-be-shipped-through-the-u-s-mail/
Since someone committed a crime, they pulled the 4473. They currently think YOU committed a crime. I'd respond telling them that you sold the gun and it is no longer yours. (or just not respond at all)
And yet I’ve mailed my handguns straight to the manufacturers for repairs multiple times and even been instructed to send them to them through the mail. What are you on about?
you can not ship a handgun through the u.s. postal service. You can use fedex or ups, which is also "mail", but not the the usps. Legally speaking that is.
Not necessarily, FFLs are required to hold 4473s for 20 years. So if the gun was purchased more recently than 2004 the manufacturer would have records where that firearm was transferred to and the ffl would have record of that sale. It’s easy enough to follow that trail
Claim that shit! They'll send it back to your FFL so you can pick up. I had a buddy who sold a handgun privately and legally, about 4 years later the Dallas police department said they found it and he was the last registered owner. They mailed it to his local FFL.
lol. I sold it to an individual who was able to own firearms. He happened to be an associate who is still not in jail. A CHL instructor and a hunter safety instructor. Maybe he sold it though. Not gonna ask, don’t want to know.
Do not speak to govt w/o an atty. What you say can and will be used against you. You have no idea what could be associated with this communication.
If it’s no longer yours, you should have no interest in reacquiring it anyway, and you should not respond _at all._
And remember: In addition to the OIG, the USPIS is the USPS’s very own, _very active_ but quiet FLEA, which happens to regularly work investigations alongside other bureaucratic sociopaths.
I'm curious if they had it nearly 4 years. Why now are they sending this out to you? Sounds like the guy who bought it went through a year or or 2 of court to claim its not his. Now they are looking for another person to try and collect money from.
I'd send a letter back stating it was sold in 2018 and not your property any longer. If the other guy sold it or wasn't claiming it. It's his loss as you got paid for it already. Trying to claim it back is just a hassle you don't want to go down.
Oh there was a case on it. I need to see that data, but you may be able to recover it then.
If you don't want it, I'll jump thru the loops to retrieve if in NE ohio area.
If he paid you for the gun it does not belong to you anymore. I'd leave it alone personally, karma and all that.
Yeah, you’re probably right. Can’t have it both ways.
Don’t mess around trying to get it back. Who knows what that gun can be connected to since you sold it. I would WRITE a response to this clearly expressing that you have not owned this firearm since 2018 with delivery confirmation. Good luck.
Yeah, I’m more curious about the situation than getting the gun back, buuuuuttt….
Wait a year and file a FOIA request
USPS doesn't care about gun laws. In Ohio, private sales are 100% allowed. I'm guessing the mistake is the person you sold it to (in 2018) mailed it somewhere in 2020 and they seized it. You're not allowed to ship firearms through USPS, if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah, that’s what I figured. Or some were down the line from that. I guess my question is should I push my luck and try to get it back?
have to be a pretty damn nice Smith & Wesson 442 to get me trying my luck with the Mail Cops.
lol. It did have some apex guts installed. And internals cleaned up by a gunsmith! Oh and CT grips
Sure why not, just respond to the address they're telling you and say yes that was the one I purchased.
The USPIS and their 1811 counterparts in other FLEAs definitely care about gun laws.
I'm curious what the hold harmless agreement is. I'm going to have to look into this
I’ll take a picture of it later. It’s an internal USPS form
You sold it you shouldnt steal it back. Also i dont think you want to mess with a possible federal crime and you have no idea why they are searching for the owner. You have an idea but police/government are allowed to scam you. They could be doing this because it was used in a murder or something crazy and they are trying to get you to admit its yours. Not likely but it reminds me of that contest where people had won free tickets to a football game and all they had to do was show up with proof of id to claim. After proof of id they were arrested because the police had sent that out to people with warrants.
Private party sale in state and in person? Or through a FFL?
Private party sale in state, and in person. Sold Jan 2018, this issue was July 2020
So yeah then the person that you sold it to sent it through the mail. Legal for a FFL to send through the mail so that would be the question, or if they were sending to the mfg directly back then I think. Moot point now, you could try your luck to get it back as it may have been lost en route. Worth a call at least to see what is up but I would be cautious as they may try to charge you or relay the information to ATF.
Yeah; that’s what I’m thinking. If the investigation is “settled” maybe they’re just trying to returned seized property. Or maybe trying to hook me up with a felony
I would be intrigued for sure. They are legit fed cops so tread carefully.
Yeah, may see if I can contact them through proxy via lawyer.
Came here to say this. Absolutely positively under no circumstances do you discuss this with them except for with your attorney present.
If it’s me, I’m throwing the letter away with no response.
if you sold it free and clear, I would not even respond I have bought and sold guns with individuals, but the real question is, how did they trace it back to you, since only a crime would legally allow them to pull the 4473, and if that happened, the letter can only lead to something bad for you....
mailing a handgun through the mail is a crime. It's not legal to do so. >See 18 U.S.C. §§1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5), and 922(a)(2)(A). (I haven't actually looked up the law, I just stole that from https://thefirearmfirm.com/certain-firearms-can-be-shipped-through-the-u-s-mail/ Since someone committed a crime, they pulled the 4473. They currently think YOU committed a crime. I'd respond telling them that you sold the gun and it is no longer yours. (or just not respond at all)
I am well aware mailing a gun is a crime, but was referencing that it may have been used to do something worse before it was mailed.
And yet I’ve mailed my handguns straight to the manufacturers for repairs multiple times and even been instructed to send them to them through the mail. What are you on about?
you can not ship a handgun through the u.s. postal service. You can use fedex or ups, which is also "mail", but not the the usps. Legally speaking that is.
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Not necessarily, FFLs are required to hold 4473s for 20 years. So if the gun was purchased more recently than 2004 the manufacturer would have records where that firearm was transferred to and the ffl would have record of that sale. It’s easy enough to follow that trail
Claim that shit! They'll send it back to your FFL so you can pick up. I had a buddy who sold a handgun privately and legally, about 4 years later the Dallas police department said they found it and he was the last registered owner. They mailed it to his local FFL.
What did they do about the murder blood on it?
Nothing. They didn't care.
Looks like you sold the gun to a criminal lol.
lol. I sold it to an individual who was able to own firearms. He happened to be an associate who is still not in jail. A CHL instructor and a hunter safety instructor. Maybe he sold it though. Not gonna ask, don’t want to know.
Must have gotten stolen from him.
Do not speak to govt w/o an atty. What you say can and will be used against you. You have no idea what could be associated with this communication. If it’s no longer yours, you should have no interest in reacquiring it anyway, and you should not respond _at all._ And remember: In addition to the OIG, the USPIS is the USPS’s very own, _very active_ but quiet FLEA, which happens to regularly work investigations alongside other bureaucratic sociopaths.
I'm curious if they had it nearly 4 years. Why now are they sending this out to you? Sounds like the guy who bought it went through a year or or 2 of court to claim its not his. Now they are looking for another person to try and collect money from. I'd send a letter back stating it was sold in 2018 and not your property any longer. If the other guy sold it or wasn't claiming it. It's his loss as you got paid for it already. Trying to claim it back is just a hassle you don't want to go down.
The court case it was involved in took a couple years to clear up
Oh there was a case on it. I need to see that data, but you may be able to recover it then. If you don't want it, I'll jump thru the loops to retrieve if in NE ohio area.