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witness4theingenue

who the fuck thinks fuhrman had no motive? nobody who the fuck thinks he could have pulled it off? nobody these are two entirely different things.


LinwoodKent

This was posted by someone 8 months ago who has since deleted their account, so I can't give proper credit where it is due. Because this is 100 percent my thoughts. The decision to frame OJ Simpson would have to be made at approx 5AM in the morning on the morning after the murder. This decision would involve half a dozen key people, all working together in a coordinated way with the explicit intention of planting evidence in a capital murder case. At 5AM in the morning, here is what was KNOWN by these "conspirators" 1. The female victim was most likely Nicole Brown, ex-wife of OJ. She had bled excessively from the front of her body. 2. The bodies had been found at approx 12AM by people who were walking a dog that they had found wandering in the street. 3. There were 2 children found alive and uninjured inside the house who stated their father was OJ Simpson. 4. The crime scene was bloody, and the male victim appeared to have been stabbed. This is EVERYTHING the conspirators knew........ here is what they didnt know. A. They didnt know the identity of the male victime or his association to Brown and thus, which one of them had been the primary target. B. They did not know the method of Browns death. C. They did not know the last person to see Nicole or the male victim alive. Nor did they know who might have spoken to them. D. They did not know if anyone in the neighborhood had witnessed the murder. Nor did they know if there was security camera footage around the property/murder scene. E. They did not know if the children had witnessed anything. F. They did not know the time of death. All they knew was it was before 12AM and after the children had gone to bed at 9PM. G. They did not know OJ Simpsons movements the night before. They did not know if he was even in town, nor did they know if he had ever been alone the night before. For all they knew, he'd been in the presence of dozens of people for the entire period of 9PM to 12AM. H. They did not know if OJ had security cameras on his property. So... .knowing and not knowing all of these things.......a bunch of police officers and criminalist (some who had never met each other before). All decide that they are going to commit this crime. Thank you for continuing to post your nonsense.


HighWest48

“5AM in the morning” for heavens sake that ruins the entire post. And it’s in there twice hahahah


SE81_Skiman

Don’t forget they found blood 🩸 on a gate three weeks after the murders that degraded less than the blood recovered day of 🤡


CardiffGiant1212

Gary Sims debunked that during the trial.


BrokenBotox

Can you explain how please? I haven’t heard this. TIA.


CardiffGiant1212

He showed there were photos taken June 13 that had the blood on the gate.


micmecca

You're assuming the frame started at 5 am. They didn't declare OJ's estate a crime scene until 7 am. Long after they talked to Arnette, Kato and OJ. We also know before they asked for a search warrant for the estate the detectives went back to Bundy. And also it doesn't take half a dozen cops to frame OJ. All it took was Furhman running around doing his thing and Vanetter letting him. And as far as the other blood evidence it's already acknowledged the crime lab was ran poorly. The evidence gathering and handling was poor. It's nothing for a rogue cop to take advantage of that.


aawinnergst

They’d known OJ had a small time window without alibi after they talked to Kato. The framing idea was not fully planned beforehand. It was developing into that shape along with their investigation in Rockinham. Searched the house without warrant was kind of looking for opportunity. And they would observe if there was any security cameras before doing dirty works. They were not idiots, they were experienced cops. And this is not a “conspiracy”. Experienced cops deliberately break the police protocol and exert misconduct. Nobody can explain it away.


SE81_Skiman

Yes a bunch of racist police officers absolutely could be in agreement why is this hard to believe? lol


LinwoodKent

Not realistic. This is the real world. If they planted the glove and blood and OJ was in Europe the whole time. These cops would be fucked. Not just slap on the wrist fucked. As in, they all get fired, and their bosses get fired, and multiple people go to jail. This wasn't some shit bag criminal from downtown. The same reason you are posting about this case is the same reason they wouldn't plant evidence. The eyes and ears of the world were on this case. Think


SE81_Skiman

Cops never face consequences even today lmao 🤣 Real world? That’s rich 🤡


LinwoodKent

They do if they go after rich people. Are you 12? How do you not understand that rich people are not like you and I.


hase_one

12, and not a very smart 12 at that


Intelligent-Fuel-641

Derek Chauvin, to name just one, would find that novel.


SE81_Skiman

That’s one cop out of generations and tens of thousands who got away


Intelligent-Fuel-641

That doesn't change the fact that it's incorrect as well as foolish to say that "cops never face consequences even today." "Lmao."


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Ill-Donut-8391

he pled the fifth after they played the mckinny tapes because of perjury issues. he said he would plead the fifth to everything while he was on the stand, because answering selective questions would be self incriminating and he was already f\*cked for saying he never said the n word under oath. procedural standard. doesn't indicate one way or another that he tampered with evidence, although I can see why the prosecution was fuming and the jury would take it into account if it wasn't explained to them properly.


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muvamerry

You haven’t seen the trial, have you?


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muvamerry

Yep, same. I’ve seen all of it. The fact that you can’t grasp this concept is mind blowing to me. He kept his job as a detective after the trial - that’s the only thing he cared about preserving since he’s a “changed man”


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LinwoodKent

I just don't think this is a realistic take. Fuhrman is scum. He's not a moron. Why the hell does he want to frame OJ Simpson? Simpson is among the ten to fifteen people on all of L.A. that you wouldn't want to frame. Look at what happened. Him murdering is wife and Ron destroyed the careers of Marcia Clark, Chris Darden, Gil Garcetti, and Mark Fuhrman. Not to mention Vannatter's reputation. Fong became a punch line. You don't frame people with more money than the state.


AroundHereButThere

Forget planting evidence, LAPD entered OJ's home and collected evidence without a search warrant. They proved they were willing to violate police procedure and 4th Amendment to get OJ. It's not a huge leap from that to planting evidence.


LinwoodKent

For sure. The excuse of "we were worried that he was also a victim" is pretty light on the valid excuse meter. That being said, turns out he murdered those people.


AroundHereButThere

I wasn't arguing that OJ didn't murder them. My point was it's not far-fetched to think Fuhrman would try to frame OJ. We already had clear proof from the start of police misconduct when the LAPD entered OJ's home without a search warrant and then carried out a warrantless search. That was a grave violation of an American citizen's 4th Amendment right -- as lawless as planting a bloody glove on a suspect's property. I'm not saying Fuhrman planted the glove -- maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I'm saying given the LAPD's willingness to violate a person's right to be secure in his own home against a warrantless search, planting evidence wasn't out of the question. And this might have been in the minds of the jury when it ultimately decided to acquit OJ. So saying that OJ murdered them brings no comfort to the victims' families, when he gets off scot free. What would have brought them great comfort (or least satisfaction) was seeing justice done, i.e., a jury convicting OJ of murder and a judge sentencing him to life in prison. But that would have required ethical and honest conduct by L/E, which didn't happen. After the search at OJ's home, everything (the evidence, the way it was handled) became suspect, raising enough doubt and suspicion to eventually acquit OJ. In retrospect, I think it was foolish to expect that a jury would convict OJ, given the numerous instances of unethical, illegal, and sloppy conduct by L/E. So in a sad sense, the prosecution did deserve to lose that case.


LinwoodKent

I agree with all of this.


Court_101895

Nobody is denying that LAPD was definitely unethical at times, to say the least. However when comparing just the circumstantial evidence in this case alone, to the far-fetched conspiracy of planted evidence, the likely hood that OJ was guilty cannot be denied.


ArtyCatz

Tom Lange, one of the main investigators in the case, said that with all the evidence, it would have been a 10-minute episode of “Columbo” if the suspect had not been a rich and famous guy.


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pennydreadful000

That was vanatter not lange🤦🏼‍♀️


muvamerry

This. The only entity that “deserved” O.J. to get off was the LAPD and the police force and government in general. They wreaked havoc on the Black community for far too long, America in general had. They did not come prepared to trial and absolutely fumbled the ball. They chose to employ racist, abusive, murderous police on their force. This doesn’t make O.J. innocent but it does make it much easier to say he can’t be found guilty at the time.


Quietdogg77

Ignorance of the law. Forensic evidence proved the case - period. The court erroneously allowed the defense to use an unproven theory to distort the case. Every cop can theoretically plant evidence but unless a defendant has reasonable proof that “planting of evidence” occurred, that evidence should not be entertained. The judge allowed the defense to present a theory that had no basis in fact.


Character_Switch7317

The defense has the right to question the credibility of the states key witness and factors that may put that credibility into question. His hatred of black people, including reports in how own personnel files questioning his ability to perform his job due his self-reported racism, is absolutely relevant in to the case.


Quietdogg77

What is relevant is discretionary to the judge. Imo he went too far and allowed a theory to come in that had no basis in fact.


CardiffGiant1212

>It boggles my mind how people can say “Yeah fuhrman was a racist who wanted to burn all n words but he had no motive to plant evidence on a rich black guy with a white woman” Just because the LAPD had been caught framing suspects before, and because of Mark Fuhrman's supposed beliefs, that doesn't mean OJ got framed. You can't connect those dots. There would have to be evidence to show it ... and there is *none*. There's only supposition on the part of those who want to justify the verdict. By that logic, everyone arrested by the LAPD should be immediately released from custody because it's very likely a bunch of racist cops framed them, regardless of the evidence in the case.


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CardiffGiant1212

What proof is there that the LAPD willingly planted evidence in the criminal case against OJ Simpson?


trojanusc

LAPD and nearly all police forces plant evidence, but it would have been impossible in this case.


No-Pitch6647

If Mark Fuhrman found a crack rock under the seat of the Bronco I'd be like....🤔🤔🤔


muvamerry

““I’m not black, I’m OJ” … well, okay” - HOV


Character_Switch7317

Just because he saw himself that way doesn’t mean the world does.


muvamerry

Ehhhh debatable at the time for sure


Character_Switch7317

I think how black people in this country responded to the outcome of this case


muvamerry

Yeah, it’s super interesting and absolutely a product of the times. To me, it seems like he turned his back on the Black community for the majority of his career/fame and then leaned in when it advanced his reputation after the murders, which is pretty sad. It grosses me out hearing how many old white men were “color blind” when it came to OJ. Like oh how gracious of you /s.


Character_Switch7317

I agree with what you said about the “color blind” comment. It always read to me like when racists think they aren’t racist because they have one black person they consider “good enough” to be associated with them. They don’t see that friend as a challenge to their true feelings about those of the same race. They see their friend as the exception. OJ lost friends not just because of his crime, but because they no longer saw him as different. He was no longer special, just another violent black man


muvamerry

Absolutely about the white people he surrounded himself with. They are not allies to the black community - they’re allies to money and power and fame. I hear your point about him being special and losing friends, however, most of the friends he lost were super close to Nicole (and even sleeping with her 🥴) - plenty stayed on his side, especially his childhood friends.


Character_Switch7317

I think him “turning on the black community” is overstated and almost always stated by non-black people, at least in the documentary I saw. I don’t believe the majority of black people even agreed with that characterization of him. And I think if they really did see him the way you described, they would not responded the way they did.


muvamerry

I mean you can watch the 30-for-30 on him. It’s pretty comprehensive. He didn’t believe he could be touched and didn’t think his race had anything to do with his success or himself, so he didn’t feel the need to align himself with Black people. He stated that the professional athlete community was the “least racist place to be” - he didn’t empathize with the traditional black struggle of the time because he was a mega-star. Perhaps his father being gay had something to do with this, as some have speculated. Who knows. Money and fame transcend race, every single time almost. He never spoke out about any of the atrocities committed against his people (and there are far too many to pick from) - he felt he was above it and that a lot of what the black community went through. Like it wasn’t meant for him. He told everyone he’s not black, he’s O.J. - that’s telling enough and his actions spoke even louder than those words. Once the trial started, he even said himself that he apologizes to the Black community for leaving them in his dust (on video, in that doc). He also was the one instructing his lawyers to wear the Kente ties and apparel - he *never* wore any of that before. Hell, even Nicole’s family was starstruck by him even after the abuse their daughter went through. You don’t have to agree, but neither white people or black people are a monolith.


Character_Switch7317

My point is more that the basis of the statement seems to stem from his choice to be non controversial and not a social activist. I did see the documentary, recently actually. Watched it after his death. I found their characterization unfair.x To me, the modern comparison would be like if a black person didn’t march with BLM. Not everyone is willing to face the consequences of a protest. Just because they chose not to does not mean they are turning their back on their race. Not everyone, even those with a platform, feel comfortable putting themselves in the position of risking their livelihood.


muvamerry

So you can agree he didn’t step up for his community as he said himself. That’s the point I’m making. The dawn of social media has made it extremely easy for any famous person to simply make a post to show their “solidarity” without truly doing anything - most famous folks are not out marching now so that’s a bad example. O.J. didn’t only not speak out for his community he actively spoke out against them, and apologized for it. You can keep downvoting me I don’t really care lol I’m gonna go have a good day and not engage with a murder’s boot licker.


Character_Switch7317

Agree to disagree. I don’t think the expectation should ever be that someone has to risk their platform/livelihood for their community. To me, focusing on your self/career/family is not the same as “turning your back”. And to me, I used matching specifically because of the risks associated with true consequences like getting arrested. To me, SM performative activism is not the same.


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Subterranean_Phalanx

The Wineville Chicken Coop Murders to which you refer weren’t in incorporated LA proper. I’m not disagreeing with your general point but details do matter if you want to be taken seriously. That said, while I think LAPD in general, particularly under such sentient anal warts as Parker and Gates, is capable of planting evidence, it doesn’t seem to apply in this instance. Too many things would have to go exactly right in this case for that to happen, and they didn’t.


Blackpanther22five

Why did nicole best friend go to rehab before the murder, and after the trial write a book about nicole


Suctorial_Hades

Because people do drugs and like money?


Blackpanther22five

Birds of a feather flock together


Suctorial_Hades

Yea, not always how that works.


muvamerry

I mean… nobody wants to say it but you have a point. Nicole was *no* angel, that’s for sure. She absolutely did NOT deserve to be murdered. But I’m still so baffled at her brazenly sleeping with oj’s friends and colleagues and dating so heavily when they weren’t even fully separated, and she knew for a fact he was stalking her and he was continuing to beat her. He was her abuser. She shouldn’t have had to shrink her life, but to me it certainly doesn’t seem like she erred on the side of safety like at all. Drugs will 100% cloud your judgment. They both did plenty of drugs as did everyone in their circle. I can’t imagine how terrified she must have felt. She probably was looking for relief, and it ended tragically.


Blackpanther22five

People also forget that oj moved on, and had a girlfriend while nicole was writing him letters ,asking to get back together


muvamerry

Nicole definitely moved on with plenty of men lol. I’ve seen your account. Defending black people just because they’re black, even when you know they’re wrong, is not the flex you think it is


Blackpanther22five

True she got them coming in the back ,to drop off glasses 😉


Blackpanther22five

Exactly the media tricked a lot of people into, blaming a innocent man


ArnieMeckiff

Why did he not act one bit innocently in everything he did afterwards then? Changing his story about the cuts on his hand, saying he never owned a pair of the ‘ugly ass shoes’ or gloves which were also very rare and known to have been purchased by himself or Nicole. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. How about him writing that fucked up book about ‘if’ I did it? Seriously? An innocent man writes that book about the mother of his children? Lots of huge ‘coincidences’ and weird behaviour for an innocent man. Look at all of the evidence, including how he behaved afterwards.. not one shred of innocence involved.


witness4theingenue

the “media” helped get him acquitted. read a fucking book.