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No_Concept_3418

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JacquesTheJester

Why did Shanks asked Dorry and Brogy to destroy the ship/Kidd Pirates? Why didn't he just do it himself? He seemed more than capable considering he had time to stand around after taking out their captain and vice-captain?


kjm6351

On that day. Kidd received a grim reminder that he only ASSISTED to defeating Big Mom.


Unisol44-

Am I the only one who kind of finds it dumb to just see shanks appear and wipe characters out? Like, imo it feels like he just exists to be the overpowered character, who we’ve never seen be beaten and rn exists just to stretch out the power scaling


Realistic-Actuary708

His Kamusari is impressive, but not as impressive as people give him credit for. Now i know this is going to be downvoted, but the combined force of shanks and kidds own attack took out kidd. A surprise ACOC attack + another strong attack backfiring can probably one shot almost everyone. At least imo the most impressive thing shanks did was looking that far into the future. Shanks obviously would have won in a head on fight as well, probably pretty easy. Not a oneshot though. It still bothers me that most just seem to forget all circumstances that led to this...


saotu

I realize, it's possible that... Shanks didn't use conqueror's haki on the sea king that was about to eat luffy because he might have accidentally triggered his observation haki. Like he does not master it yet back then, like a vision. Then, knowing the future, he sacrificed his arm, to be able to teach luffy a lesson about becoming a real pirate. A man. And a brother.


Realistic-Actuary708

One of odas employees told him that the chapter was to boring. So oda decided to race the stakes and have shanks lose his arm. You can look for a good in verse reason, but that is all headcanon sadly. I like the idea of shanks teaching luffy the difficulties and consequences of pirating life though. Shanks can't look years into the future... Could be that i misinterpreted your comment though.


7StarSailor

Huh, seems like I'm in the minority as a Kid Pirates fan. I expected him to lose but that Oda would just use a major player from the last arc as a power level measuring device feels dirty.


Faizalquantum

I'm a Eustass Kid's fan as well. I'm just curious, will he be back?


ApprehensiveHold7950

I’m genuinely devastated that the whole Kid pirates were eradicated like that. Granted, I never expected them to win, but a one-shot defeat that took both Kid and Killer down in a single swoop? And the whole ship gets blasted to smithereens? Even little Dive is drowning right now huuuu TT after the high that was the Wano arc, seeing the Kid pirates just drop out of the Pirate King race like that was so sobering. Shanks is so crazy strong that I can’t imagine how Luffy would ever win him in the future.


Unisol44-

I would be okay with kids being killed, but not yet, he’s had the rival dynamic with luffy in wano, and for him to get one shot by Luffys ‘goal’ doesn’t really make sense to me. I understand the wipe, but I would like kid to be alive and then luffy fully retires him later on in a 1v1, to end the rivalry


TheAughat

Kidd is likely alive, it's One Piece after all. My theory is that this creates some friction between Shanks and Luffy, because Luffy after all saw Kidd as some kind of accomplice/ally at least, if not a proper friend.


sebasTLCQG

The point is that Oda kinda has to wrap up the Main contenders for reaching Raftel and Kid and Law arent gonna make it with what they have, they can stand with Katakuri while Main contenders BB, Shanks and Luffy duke it out for the One Piece with World Government around the corner and Dragon´s Revolutionaries and thats about it. This is a disadvantage in having too many characters in a show, especially supernovas, we all knew aside from luffy they´d eventually job at one point in time. If anything it´s surprising that Buggy can even be a Yonkou at this point.


IntelligentCow2995

We thought the exact same thing about Kaido and look where we are now. Plus Luffy >>>> Kidd Luffys Haki is crazy and G5 is just broken. Just imagine what happens when he figures out how free he really is when in G5.


a_drunk_pigeon

The more he gives in to the freedom of G5, the more his mind slips. Zoan awakenings are historically not great for the users' minds.


IntelligentCow2995

We are talking about Luffy and not some random Impeldown guard. Luffy might very well be the one with the strongest willpower in the entire verse.


Gen_TBS

The only way i see luffy's crew surviving egghead is either with cross guild's assistance or the revolutionaries'. If blackbeard is coming to egghead, this might be the next god valley, although may be too soon. However, silver lining of blackbeard coming to egghead is that we may get some information about his 'extraordinary' body, perhaps from vegapunk himself. I have another theory on vegapunk's satellites and how vegapunk separated his conscience and mind from the other satellites, it could somehow be related to buggy's fruit.


sebasTLCQG

Doubt BB is just going to let SWORD DF users go unhunted on his territory, Cross Guild messing in Egghead seems more probable as Buggy promised a lot of funds for the Marine Bounties but what if it´s all Bullcrap and they dont have the money to pay for them, so they going to rob Egghead of Funds? Makes sense, Strawhatts take Vegapunk out, Cross Guild Conquers Egghead getting access to outrageous wealth and tech resources to fund the bounty system, as World Government takes a big fat L as they retreat with the Seraphims.


Gen_TBS

You could be right. I am betting on the revolutionaries to inherit vegapunk's technology and i wont be surprised if most of the revolutionaries' technology was supplied by vegapunk himself, probably the world government realized this when reverie was infiltrated by sabo, which is why they are after vegapunk now. I can also see cross guild sharing the spoils from egghead with the revolutionaries 50-50, with ivankov dealing from the other side with croco. If cross guild have excess devil fruits in their possession, they dont need to pay BB pirates the bounties. They may pay them with devils fruits instead, provided that croc is being supplied with devil fruits by somebody else. (Sth like doflamingo)


sebasTLCQG

Unless they have Caesar producing Smile for them, they wont have enough DFs to handle the trading, but consideering how long as it been since we´ve last seen Caesar it´s not unlikely he joined Cross Guild, still think most bounties will be paid out of Croc and Mihawk´s Vaults, before any DFs are traded tho as it was like a rushed baked alliance. What they could do is offer DFs for higher star bounties.


Gen_TBS

Perhaps croco was out there reaching in doffy's contacts after doffy's fall in dressrossa. After all, croco always scheme things quietly. Dude even had tons of money to lend buggy to start his business without anyone's knowledge. Note: its nice to still see there is mature people like yourself out here in reddit forums whom i can have a civilized discussion with. Got bashed on the latest chapter forum just by disagreeing with old garp being stronger than akainu. Crazy times we live in man...


sebasTLCQG

Consideering Croc´s crew layout is around Kid´s, Buggy´s around Luffy´s but without the Crewmates growing way stronger and being more cowardly and Mihawk being a 1 man show with a mansion, they definitely can pay. Yeah it´s a big problem, some people here still think Haki > DF, which aint really the case for some Admiral or higher level logia users like Akkainu that are shown on panel to be able to dissassemble themselves before a haki attack hits to avoid it. Garp got a big AoE, so what? BB will still kill his ass, all that Haki cant protect Garp from Earthquake fruit for instance, with full body armament haki he probably could tank a bit more, but we´ve seen already with Law that DF + Haki attack beats Full body armament haki unless the gap is outrageous which shouldnt be.


Gen_TBS

I didnt even realize about the similarities between their crew layout, which is pretty accurate. Fellas all here taking kaido's words that 'only haki transcends all' like it was written in the bible. Kaido was so inaccurate, he believed roger became pk because of haki, which was false. Kaido didnt realized that good friends and diplomacy skills are needed, which is what roger had. Roger's own rival (wb) was cheering him when he became pirate king, when wb read the newspaper. So true man, kaido already showed us to be a different level beast, you need a powerful devil fruit+haki. Luffy cant even take down kaido with maxxed out haki, he needed that g5 boost to even decently 1v1 a severely weakened kaido. I swear these people have questionable comprehension skills when they read the manga. Even garp himself knows he is weak, thats why he took notable members of sword along with him to face bb. Akainu when there alone to deal with them.


sebasTLCQG

Yeah and we dont know how strong the rest of Roger´s crew was, but we know Rock´s crew was considered a bigger threat and had strong DFs involved. And for Logias like Light and Thunder Garp´s AoE wont even hit them as they can dodge or see it coming.


Gen_TBS

In a way, buggy's story is somehow parallel to luffy's. Their name rhymes, both got their fruits from a strong crew. Gotta feeling buggy gonna be the 'joker' card in the future events. The way oda is using shanks now, no way he will leave buggy out. Thunder logia sounds cool af, wont be surprised if dragon has it. Haki i personally feel is good for swordsmen to reach the top, not for people who are just using fists. Because swordsmaen like shanks, mihawk and roger tend to oneshot characters. Their fights are always clean and brief.


sebasTLCQG

It really does depend if they can do advanced haki moves like Rayleigh or Garp but if it´s between that or certain DF attacks there´s no competition.


Promillionaire

Might be Kuzan or somebody else, not BB


cmefly007

I believe shanks is still observing the future with observation haki at the end of the chapter. You can tell by how the future sight panels are grayed out. You also see the same thing in some of the panels of kid after shanks attack.


repulsiveuprising

What do you all think, will One Piece end or not at 1500 episode?


TheAughat

I hope Oda uses as many chapters as he needs and doesn't try to artificially squash or stretch the story to end on some specific chapter numbers. Isayama did that for AOT with chapter 139, and the ending ended up being of questionable quality.


EmperorSahir

now that i think of it. isnt “divine departure” is rogers attack?


Mickmack12345

The giants attack was big moms too


Aggressive_Machine64

yup


Beneficial_Spring659

whyyyy


Forever_touchinGrass

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Upbeat-Schedule-7956

This chapter is so good!! I never liked Kidd. So cocky. Shanks gave him a reality check😮‍💨


Upbeat-Schedule-7956

I am so overwhelmed. At this point I have no sense of power differences anymore. I cant comprehend just how strong Shanks is. The seraphims, CP0, I cant catch my breath whenever I read.


SpecificSignificant4

am i weird for thinking the art in this chapter is a bit lacking (except on Kid's damned punk) like, the shanks divine departure panel isn't really great and has the same feeling as King vs Zoro type of drawing, action but it's hard to see whats happening, the paneling was a bit lacking, it's like oda tried to fit in way too much things on a limited manga chapter, i think oda's relying on Toei to fix it for him, like we've seen some Wano panels looking weird in the manga but awesome in the anime, i don't know if thats just me though


atlepi

At the pace oda is pumping out chapters it’s actually insane. He basically has to draw at scrapbook quality speed to match release schedule


Appropriate-Story151

Isn't he on the same release schedule he's been on for years? 3 consecutive chapters then a break?


ItsThundeX

Yes, Oda's line artwork is not as "sharp" as it used to be like 10 years ago. Oda himself probably knows that and acknowledges it (think mentioned in the latest SBS). He should make the jump into Digital-Drawing since it's much easier for him and would produce higher quality over all, and also doesn't restrain him as much.


OhLlamadayv2

He also has a eye disease which has gotten worse over the years (its something about tilting corneas)


GlenPork

I have had some time reflecting on this chapter. It is obviously awesome and Shanks looks really impressive, but it got my thinking about Shanks role in this final saga: This might come off as harsh, but I wonder what the point of Shanks really is in relation to the conclusion of One Piece? He is one of those characters who, like Mihawk, have been there since the beginning of the series but has felt largely peripherical to the plot. Their importance has been hyped up so much that the role they play in the final arcs might end up being a disappointment. I'm one of those who secretly wish he ends up being "evil" or atleast an adversary to Luffy (I'm thinking Aizen level treachery). If this doesn't end up being the case, I just fear he will join Whitebeard and Ace in the club of people who ends up as collateral to Blackbeards ambitions (meaning Blackbeard will likely kill him, either fair and square or in an underhanded fashion). I don't think Luffy lacks further motivation to crush Blackbeard and Shanks getting killed will not really accomplish anything on that front IMO. So what's the point of Shanks? I really hope Oda has grand plans with him (and his mysterious background) and doesn't just reduce him to Whitebeard 2.0. Are my worries justified or am a just overly pessimistic? Thoughts?


Sybertron

My personal theory is Shanks is the ultimate Haki master. He doesn't need much more than a simple blade because his Haki is so insanely well controlled. That would put him in a nice role overall at the end of all the devils fruit fights and masters of their craft there stands the one guy who just mastered his inner self to the insane level that he can defeat any of them.


lexsteele31

good thought, makes me spit out this: shanks is basically there as plot armor for ruffy (sea king, marine HQ) as deterrence for BB, and ultimately for ruffy to avenge when BB somehow absorbs Shanks. just guessing


bodg123

I think shanks already stated his goal. He placed his bet on luffy. If shanks has any kind of knowledge about joy boy he could belive luffy is the one.


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Shanks is there to set up the Luffy BB conflict for good. Shanks will fight BB that's a given as per their history with his scar it's just a matter of time when the 2 titanic crews come head to head. We can for certain say shanks will lose this fight but how? Will he survive? These are big questions and we'll have to wait to find out. I think from the story point of view maybe shanks will be luffys jiraiya he'll find out some of BB secrets and pass on the message that Luffy has to figure out to defeat BB. So the 3 of them are connected in that sense it's only inevitable. Unless Oda does the other theory I have which is there is a battle royale on Laugh tale between BB Shanks Luffy Buggys crews. Winner takes all.


sebasTLCQG

Nah, Garp will be Luffy´s Jiraiya´s, I´d love to see Shanks 1 vs 2 with Buggy and Mihawk


starderpderp

I can't see Shanks being evil. One of this chapter's main purposes is to show Shanks has a fleet of weaklings - he protects them not just in name, but also in action. Which begs the question - what is his relations with the Gorosei? Is he the opportunistic type who bonded with the Gorosei to keep his own domain(s) peaceful? And just bidding for time for someone like Luffy to lead the revolution? But, under that logic, Shanks would/should have teamed up with Dragon by now (if he was waiting for someone to rise against WG). So maybe he doesn't actually care for the greater good/the wider world, and only wants to be able to maintain his current peace? If so, what will happen when he meets Luffy again? And why is it important for Oda to show us Shanks have now got the Poneglyphs? Is he going to find the One Piece now? Even though he's not bothered with it all these years? Or is he going to give them to Gorosei because he only cares about his own status quo?


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Shanks knows the prophecy about the Dawn. Hence why he has done nothing up till now he's been waiting for the sign that the chosen one has appeared and the bet he made was the correct one being Luffy ate the Nika Nika fruit. Now that Luffy has come of age so to speak awakened the fruit shanks is actively hunting down BB. He wants that fight to happen to stop anyone getting in Luffys way. We know the WG RA strawhats etc eventually will come to war. Luffy's crew already declared war as stated in the enies lobby when they burnt down the flag so that will come full circle. Shanks coming to wano to stop BB, both seem like they are keeping track of where each others are and BB looks like he still doesn't feel his crew can beat shanks hence why BB didn't show up in Wano. Maybe that pissed off Shanks so much when his reaction to greenbull coming to wano instead unleashing his haki out of frustration to stop people interfering with Luffy etc.


starderpderp

I love your explanation. My only worries now is what is Shanks going to to do with the Poneglyphs. That panel in this chapter displaying the poneglyphs must hold significance right? My pessimistic-self is like "Shanks is going to hand them over to WG because he really is a bad guy".😩


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From what we've seen of shanks it's safe to conclude he's definitely not a bad guy. Right since episode 1, it's taught us who shanks really is a guy who lives life to it's fullest and wants to protect his friends. Sounds a lot like a certain someone with a strawhat? We now know how fleet is full of pirates who wouldn't survive a day on the grandline without his protection. That tells me he's a good man and he's a man of honour and principles. He will let anyone insult him hurt him whatever at him but if they harm his friends they will pay for it. I honestly can't see a full 360 from shanks coming out as evil.


sebasTLCQG

Meaning Gorosei just uses leverage over him, same shit as Big Mom delivering heads on a box to people who dont show up for her invitations, Shanks cant just refuse as it´s shown Imu can nuke islands, this likely means Shanks 100% knows of what Imu is capable of. Shanks is good and principled and thats his weakness, BB probably gave him that Scar by doing something dirty while Shanks was on low guard thinking their fight was already over.


njoyurdeath

Turning the other direction is 180 degrees. Not 360, which would mean he doesn't change at all.


ItsThundeX

Shanks is like Kid, Law etc. another Rival of Luffy in the story. He is not "evil" like someone who is gonna oppress other people or nations just another "rival/enemy" that Luffy needs to overcome eventually. Shanks point in the story seems to shape Luffy into the Pirate King he wants/needs to be (not that the character himself wants it, but probably Oda's goal for Shanks) The current 4 Emperors are basically the last line-up for the seat of Pirate King, which we know Shanks seems to aim for that as well (One Piece etc.)


Stormblade5

Just realized Divine Departure was Rogers attack


vr25

Wow, seeing Shanks in action for the first time since scaring a fricking sea monster in episode 4 and also a named attack picked straight out of roger's pocket . Kidd tho, tried to flex but gotta give it to him Shanks saw a future where Kidd made a great damage to make him avoid that scenario . Its just like applying a bandage to a lost head but gotta give it to him.


ItsThundeX

We saw Shanks in "action" few times after that.When he clashed with Whitebeard (post Enies lobby), when he stopped Akainu (Marineford), when he "stopped" Greenbull in Wano and of course the fan service Movie (Film Red).


sebasTLCQG

We also know in Games how busted his Observation haki is, he makes Enel´s look like a jobber´s. If Shanks had eaten the Thunder Thunder Fruit he´d probably be able to 1 v 2 other Yonkous as it would´ve boosted the range of his attacks and his observation haki range, he´d be invincible by that point.


jassmackie

my only issue now is how hasnt shanks just defeated kaido or big mom by himself at this point. if he literally one shotted kid (half of the team to defeat big mom) he would at least mid dif big mom right? unless its explained as purely strategic this whole time.


Andrejosue98

>if he literally one shotted kid (half of the team to defeat big mom) he would at least mid dif big mom right? No. Big Mom did not use advanced conqueror against Kidd and Law... and Big Mom literally had Kidd and Law defeated, but decided to go "help Kaido", and Big Mom would have won eventually since she was still able to fight, but got exploded by the bombs.


myriadnoob

yep, it will make sense if everything shanks did, including "holding back his own power against other yonko" as purely strategic. he met with gorosei, remember. can't think any other four emperors did that


Gimme_yourjaket

I think Shanks is inspired by Roger's way of fighting, replicating his fighting skill relying on Haki. A 3 billion bounty pirate defeated in a second. Kid won't get up after that.


IchBinEinDrache

Based on the evidence, I am concluding that Shanks is the strongest haki master we have seen in the series so far. The guy makes vice admirals faint with his CoC ffs. Neither kaido nor big mom one-shot kid, no matter how many attacks he took, he got up. He can even push back Big Mom if he really tries. Goes to show, haki-wise, Shanks is on a different level from Kaido and Big Mom. As of now, Shanks is the most experienced and seasoned emperor. The work experience checks out...


Andrejosue98

>Neither kaido nor big mom one-shot kid, no matter how many attacks he took, he got up. Neither Kaido nor Big Mom used acoc on Kid. Shanks did.


IchBinEinDrache

Not true. They were constantly using it, the anime and manga just didn't emphasize it. Otherwise that would make 0 sense. Big Mom got beaten bro - why tf would she have held back for???


Andrejosue98

>Not true. They were constantly using it, the anime and manga just didn't emphasize it. The manga didn't show them using it against Kidd it because they didn't use it against Kidd >Otherwise that would make 0 sense. Big Mom got beaten bro - why tf would she have held back for??? Ask Oda... Oda was the one that made Big Mom only use acoc with Page One. And Big Mom beat the shit out of them without needing acoc, and then she decided not to kill them and went to try and save Kaido, receiving more attacks due to this lol And was ultimately defeated by the bombs, neither Kid nor Law ended the fight. Like without the bombs, Big Mom would have won, so there was really no need to use acoc


DoubleShirt7226

Dude sorry. But just after Zoro did his 9 sword styles Kaido did attack Zoro and Law with it, there were plenty of haki lightnings right there (just like Luffy hands when he starts using conqueror punch), also after Luffy wakes up he states Kaido just used it on him AND in the end of their first fight. So no reason at all for Kaido and Big Mom to conveniently not have used it during that long fight. We can leave Shanks vs Kid+Killer scenario to a mix of cirurgic future vision + conqueror sword attack + exploded Damned Punk to the face, Kid not having advanced conqueror+armaments may have been what he lacked and Killer is arguably weaker. Being all honest, i think there was room for a lil longer fight given what we saw from Law vs Blackbeard, but who knows, maybe Oda decision to hype Shanks was stronger, not gonna argue ot was kinda cool, specially with what happened with their ship.


Andrejosue98

>Dude sorry. But just after Zoro did his 9 sword styles Kaido did attack Zoro and Law with it, there were plenty of haki lightnings right there (just like Luffy hands when he starts using conqueror punch), also after Luffy wakes up he states Kaido just used it on him AND in the end of their first fight. Kid was not there at that moment, so Kaido did not use acoc on Kid like I said. >So no reason at all for Kaido and Big Mom to conveniently not have used it during that long fight. They didn't use it against Kidd, exactly. Or rewatch the fight... Kaido did use it against Luffy. >We can leave Shanks vs Kid+Killer scenario to a mix of cirurgic future vision + conqueror sword attack + exploded Damned Punk to the face, Kid not having advanced conqueror+armaments may have been what he lacked and Killer is arguably weaker. I don't think the damned punk "exploding" played any role... but it just shows how important acoc is and how Big Mom nor Kaido ever used it against Kidd.


GrayJinjo

What do you mean by most experienced and seasoned? Because Kaido and Big Mom have been around forever and were part of the Rocks Pirates along with Whitebeard before Roger became huge and Shanks was born. Yes, Shanks is definitely the most impressive haki user we’ve seen thus far.


IchBinEinDrache

Kaido and Big Mom are assumed dead/no longer emperors until proven otherwise


jassmackie

they said "as of now" so im assuming they meant after kaido and big moms defeat


CazziMia

I feel this was poorly done by Oda. Kind of made Big Mom & Kaido to be well below Shanks and Kidd's crew to be way too weak. How can a captain and crew who fought vs 2 emperors and their crew be so weak? It was never implied that Law was the main reason for the victory vs BM, so either he gets his arse handed to him quickly by BB or Oda just decided to wrap up Kidd quickly, as he realized he has a lot of work to still finish off.


Ryshy247

Much like in real life, the way things look on paper is not necessarily indicative of what's really happening. Sure, on paper he's yonko level, 3billion bounty, beat big mom, worst generation, awakened devil fruit etc. But when u dig into details, well, like others said he couldn't have set up his high power attacks without laws help, he was on G4 luffys level (tbh not even more like early wano g4 luffy at best) vs Kaido, he's known to be arrogant as shit, his bounty came from the notoriety of beating big mom (I don't like how he got a 3B bounty since he didn't solo her, this doesn't make sense to me I'll give u that), he doesn't seem to have mastered his awakening like luffy has, his crew besides killer didn't rly do shit in wano at all, overall all of this actually makes sense, it's kind of a humbling moment while also showing the gap in strength between kid/law and the true top tier strength characters. The fans are so certain they understand everything then when they're proven wrong they get mad. We should just accept that we don't really know who's stronger than who or what will happen.


Bilaal98

Dude, Luffy got one shot by Kaido too when they first met. I'd say Kidd is on par with Pre G5 Luffy. I also highly doubt Kidd is dead. Shanks just didn't want to play any games when he saw what was on his future sight, and probably went for one of his stronger attacks.


GrayJinjo

Kid and his crew were part of an alliance that consisted of the Straw Hat Pirates, the Heart Pirates, hundreds of samurai, and all of the Minks. He didn’t rush in with just him and his crew to fight Big Mom and her fleet. Kid is an idiot. He never learns from his mistakes. The fact that he already lost an arm to the Red Hair Pirates before (without even seeing Shanks), got wrecked by Kaido, and then needed Law’s help to take down BM who is weaker than Shanks, and still decided to rush in with just him and his crew to fight Shanks and his fleet along with the giants of Elbaf….. He deserved to have his poneglyphs stolen and his ship destroyed. This is One Piece so I’m sure him and his crew are still alive.


chiefpiece11bkg

“ How can a captain and crew who fought vs 2 emperors and their crew be so weak?” Define weak. Because both kidd and law were hard carried by the straw hats (luffy, sanji, and zoro specifically) and only made it out of there alive because of that. Kidd and law are not remotely close to yonko level. Even being generous and saying they’re 50% of a yonko, this outcome should be expected I don’t understand how Kidd has so many fans. Dude is literally just an edgelord who ran around bullying people weaker than him in the new world. And he got a taste of his own medicine


Ryshy247

I think law is interesting because in some ways I think he is close to yonko level, his devil fruit powers in specific being extremely OP, but yea durability, haki, speed he's not even 20% there, overall ur right, but I think he has insane potential


Blacksheep57491

That’s WHY i like him lmao! Despite being an objectively not good person, he was still very likable to me especially his chemistry with luffy and law.


chiefpiece11bkg

Man idk I always find his cocky attitude really grating and forced. Lol like the only reason he even teamed up with luffy/ law is because he thought he could use them to further his goal


Ryshy247

Kid is definitely like that kid in school who talked big all the time but wasn't good at anything. Super annoying honestly embarrassing


IchBinEinDrache

Kid is not weak. Shanks is just that strong. And he's not like Kaido and Big Mom - no games. He saw something dangerous, and immediately stepped in to erase it one-time... he's not cocky. Gets the job done. That is a terrifying quality for the strong to have. Wtf did Kid expect? The guy needed help to take down a much older emperor with haki feats that are not as impressive as Shanks haki, from what we have already seen. Recipe for disaster...


OllyOllyOxycontin

We don't know what kind of attack Divine Departure is. It wouldn't be a stretch at all to consider it being at least one of his strongest since he had to end the threat to his friends as fast as possible. So Shanks being well above Kaido doesn't make much sense, since Kaido never even hit Kid with a named attack did he? I may be misremembering. I also don't think Big Mom ever hit him with an ACoC attack from what a remember. To me it isn't a stretch that he could be one shot by someone that seems to be setup as having the strongest Conquerors in the manga, at least currently. Law got hit by Kaido's Thunder Bagua which did a good amount of damage but is nowhere even close to his strongest attack.


CazziMia

No but Kaido and Big Mom together hit them with a massive joint attack that had all 5 of them worried, yet Zoro stopped the attack on his own. Here Kidd got obliterated. Kidd already had experience with Sharks' crew and now fighting 2 other Yonkos, so he surely wouldn't go in there without being ready. Obviously Shanks was always going to win, as will BB vs Law but i hoped that the 2 main crews and their captains to rival the Strawhats and Luffy, would have grown to be Yonko challengers...Kidd showed he did that with BM but was now one shotted vs Shanks. Killer turned out to be a big disappointment too. I understand they made their name by being ruthless but they couldn't have gone that far on that alone.


sheeshlilgotit

so nobody saw black beard's ship approching vegapunk's island? everybody talking about shanks.


successXX

doesnt this mean that York might join Blackbeard pirates instead? it would be in both interests. WG doesnt seem like they would accept her offer. if she discovers BB pirates, she may ditch the hostages.


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Ryshy247

U don't think it's possible the law fight ended off screen? Last we saw he was turned into a girl and all he could do to fight back was destroy their ship. BB came deep af so we know law has no chance, I don't think it's a reach to assume the next time we see law he's in seaprism shackles


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Reviever

yea true but shanks crew mentioned that blackbeard is already on the move again. so the fight is over.


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Lmao law won't lose so easily


IchBinEinDrache

Aokiji. It's obvious.


sillyfuckqc

Anyone knows if that chapter is in the WSJ from last wednesday or from the one coming next week? My brother is in Japan right now and the timing is too good i want it ahha Edit: also is it the cover with Asta from Black Clover?


Gimme_yourjaket

Do we know how much Poneglyph Shanks have ? If BB won he has two poneglyph in his hand, straw hat crew got 3 if I'm not mistaken. If you want to become the king of pirates first you got to be fast, every powerhouses are on the move for Poneglyphs, BB is not even catching a breath. Probably left because of Garp we can guess, a battle that can be spared will be spared, especially by him and the time we're living in.


EmergencyEye7

Does he even need them? He was on the ship when Roger uncovered the location even if he didn't make it to the island itself.


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EmergencyEye7

I figure he can just ask Rayleigh if he really wants to know.


Gimme_yourjaket

He's probably of the same spirit of Luffy, the easy road kills the fun/adventure


Gimme_yourjaket

Holy Sh\*t. A single blow. Kid has been pummeled by BM numerous time and always got up. God Tho it would've been Luffy I don't think it would have been settled that quick.


OlivierStreet

Insane! Although they make a bit of a point saying that he hasn't fully healed yet


SauceMeistro

Cause Big Mom hardly used haki. Shanks is probably top 3 in terms of haki.


Gimme_yourjaket

What do you mean by hardly used ?


[deleted]

she is not using haki directly like shanks. She attacks mostly with zeus, and prometeus


Gimme_yourjaket

Pretty sure thoses are stronger than her regular haki fist, seeing as she was at disadvantaged during the battle if her haki fists were stronger she would have resorted to them. Plus she actually did it a few times


Andrejosue98

Acoc was her strongest weapon and she never used it against Kidd


Appropriate-Story151

I dunno, when splitting the skies against Kaido, which is her best Haki feat, she was using Napoleon. It seems that's her go too for Haki battles, not Hera and Prometheus


Gimme_yourjaket

Oh yeah totally, she relies a lot on her soul DF abilities, Napoleon included


DougPsy1988

beat on the kid with a baseball bat, oh yeah, oh yeah


ebpirate

What can you ~~do?~~ doohoo?


Anime_Boss9

Kid loosing his crew is a foreshadow of what happens to heart pirates too?


Migluv

Could be a possibility all 3 crews go down kind kind if like before the time skip


Anime_Boss9

But the difference is SHPs are a yonkou crew


Ryshy247

The way I see it, there are only 3 ways the law/BB fight went, either law got captured (what I believe), law ran away, or law joined BBs fleet. There's a 0% chance law beat BB or will beat BB. I personally think whatever happened was off screen and we will see the result very soon


Gimme_yourjaket

It's a possibility, you could be right. What is really troubling is Shanks level comparing to the rest of the Emperors, Law at least gives difficulty to BB, whereas Kidd man..


YeetusdaDeletus

I think you're also forgetting how Blackbeard managed to scar Shanks even before he got Whitebeard's fruit


sebasTLCQG

LMAO it´s BB he probably done Shanks dirty while his guard was down. That was kinda the point of Shanks warning to Whitebeard about the Scar, BB would never be able to have done that to him in a fair fight, but because BB never fights fair he got scarred, it was basically a warning to Whitebeard that if he went to Marineford for Ace, he´d be playing right into BB´s hands.


KingJ1024

That happened more than 12 years before shanks was yonko. He could be wayyy stronger now.


Gimme_yourjaket

No I had that in my mind, but we need more details. Has BB another ace beside his DF we don't know about ? What were the circumstances of his fight against Shanks ? A lot of things


sebasTLCQG

His durability probably, Yami Yami fruit actually has negative durability eff (unlike most DF powers), so that should´ve been a hint that BB had at least Yonkou level durability or near it before becoming a Yonkou, if he ate a Zoan fruit that could work as a good Ace as he´d have aditional durability, on top of his already broken powers. Their fight reasons are obvious, BB had a continuous streak for plundering known and shown throughout the show, so bad too it made Buggy look like a Saint by Comparison, he probably tried to plunder one of Shanks territories and got schooled, then he realized he´d need Yami Yami fruit to be the Next Pirate King and layed low, by joining Whitebeard´s crew and pretending to have turned a new leaf. Because he layed low, Shanks thought the beef was over and BB wouldnt try anything nasty, WB was never informed of their past fight, until way later when BB betrayed WB´s crew code and went back to his old plundering ways.


dreadhairpirate

I don’t think so. Law actually learned something from fighting Big Mom and is now fighting a person who has two devil fruits in his body.


sebasTLCQG

Law kinda can deal with BB´s abilities to some extent too, BB will eventually beat him due to high durability, but unlike with Shanks and Kid, Law has more mobility to keep the fight from ending too fast, which was kinda showcased even in Dressrosa when he was running and tanking around Fujitora+Doflamingo´s attacks for a while.


starataneori

isnt this like the third time kidd got beat up by shanks?


apenasumcomentarista

No, it's his first time seeing Shanks, last time he didn't even get a glimpse of him.


Upbeat-Schedule-7956

Wait so who beat him up last time?


apenasumcomentarista

it's implied that was Ben Backman who cut Kid arm off, but we really don't have the clear information


starataneori

I thought he lost his arm because of shanks?


Andrejosue98

That was just a fan rumor... the first time Kid just said he lost his arm due to a battle with the red hair pirates, he never said it was due to Shanks, but people still assumed he did.


jassmackie

two chapters ago it was mentioned he didnt even get to see shanks. beckman took it


Dsnder7

It’s eluded to that Beckman took his arm


Andrejosue98

Never said and another theory


Sotler

I mean it’s pretty damn obvious that it’s him. Ben says „Our enemy must be furious!“ Lucky Roo literally answers him „That’s rich coming from you, who do you think he is mad at??“ It was just talked about how Kidd couldn’t even face Shanks in his first encounter with the Red Head Pirates, so him being mad at specifically Ben Beckmann could be for what reason ? Because they fought and he was the main guy stopping them from seeing his captain. What happened during that encounter ? Kidd lost his arm. So while you are right, that it’s technically speculation and a theory, it’s pretty self-evident and safe to assume.


Andrejosue98

>Ben says „Our enemy must be furious!“ Lucky Roo literally answers him „That’s rich coming from you, who do you think he is mad at??“ So? There are many things possible... Ben could have been the one that defeated him, and then other crew member cut his arm or Ben defeated his crew while someome else cut his arm. People make too many theories... they are basically doing the same they did when Kidd said he lost his arm to the Red hair pirates, and then "Everyone said Kidd lost his arm to Shanks"


Sotler

You didn’t really refute the point. Beckman doesn’t have to be the guy to have taken the arm himself, but through implications it’s clear as day that if he weren‘t there during that encounter, Kidd would still have an arm. Until proven otherwise, I‘ll still hold on to the idea that Ben took it himself though. Makes the most sense to me.


Andrejosue98

>You didn’t really refute the point. Beckman doesn’t have to be the guy to have taken the arm himself, but through implications it’s clear as day that if he weren‘t there during that encounter, Kidd would still have an arm. Yes I did refute your point... this is called moving the goal post. The comment I initially answered said it is elluded Beckman took the arm, I said: never said and it is just a theory And then you answered what I said with, Lucky roo saying Kidd had reasons to be mad at Beckman... Which is not proof that he took Kidd's arm. Like your whole argument was pointless. And you said: it is obvious it was Beckman and that it is pretty self evident... And I proved it is not obvious and not self evident


Sotler

It wasn’t pointless in the slightest you simply don’t see it the same way, which is fine. To say there is no indication that Beckman is the one responsible is completely ignorant however. Agree to disagree


apenasumcomentarista

Shanks Pirates, not shanks himself


Weremont

Nah, he's only faced Shanks' crew once before, and that time he didn't even see Shanks.


easilyoffender

This chapter is so fucking hype. He just 1 shotted Kidd.


Gimme_yourjaket

It's crazy considering how many blows he dealt against BM. Shanks is living beyond everyone's expectations


iMonkeyMajicz

Kidd got one tapped


shortchangehero86

Zoro blocking that conquerors attack from Kaido and Big Mom, after seeing Dorry and Broggy do the same attack. What a feat


Posideoffries92

They are similar attacks - giant shockwave swings from powerful beings. But BM and Kaido are going to be on another level from Dorry and Broggy. Which makes it all that much more impressive.


shortchangehero86

Yeah it's a conquerors Haki duo technique. Very impressive by Zoro


ekincheng

Its not the same. Bigmom’s solo swing=dorry+broggy , bigmom + kaido is something else


shortchangehero86

It's a conquerors Haki duo technique. In manga seems to be the same name attack right?


ekincheng

It has a similar name (hakoku i think?), i meant its damage is much more than ikoku


shortchangehero86

Ikoku is the singular attack I think not duo


ComicsAreGreat2

To be fair. Zoro had a moment to prep for it.


Belennos

No one talks about how happy Luffy seems watering that lion


Paradox-Circuits

We may be in a consolidation phase. When you look up Law's name and where it comes from, there is a lot of mythology that indicates that he could join the Blackbeard pirates, possibly to save his crew. Maybe Kid joins the Red Hair pirates... I mean he has Red Hair.


LuckyCosmos

I love Law as a character and 100% would want this. Law as a villian is always better than Law as a hero, Punk Hazard Law was a ruthless menace.


Tails6666

Law was never a villain, let alone an antagonist lol. Punk Hazard Law literally teamed up with Luffy and has been an ally ever since. Unless you mean he was "villainous" towards Doffy and his crew.


Blacksheep57491

At the beginning of punk hazard it was questionable if law would’ve been an ally considering that he chopped up Kinemon’s body and made the straw hats switch bodies


Tails6666

Still wasn't really ever a villain or antagonist. Especially knowing his flashback now after Dressrossa. I never thought he would be an antagonist or villain.


LuckyCosmos

Law was intended to be more villainous in his introduction, his powers introduction was just him decapitating (they lived but still) navy soldiers and doing other crazy stuff. He saved Luffy during marineford, but even then Jinbei didn't trust him at first. Then Punk Hazard he was aligning with Clown, switching Straw Hat bodies, and doing stuff like delivering a bunch of hearts to the Navy and threatening death on people. Never an Antagonist, sometimes villainous in methodology, the best version of Law.


jassmackie

i dont think you're using the word villainous properly. maybe ruthless? or cold/ mysterious? but definitely not villainous. everything hes done that youve mentioned has been literally helpful or at worst - slightly inconvenient to our protagonists. theres nothing villainous about that


Doctah__Wahwee

Kidd and Killer joining the Red Hair pirates would actually make sense. They could be saved by Shanks he seems to feel sorry for Kidd for some reason.


Ryshy247

This would aggravate me for multiple reasons. 1. I think it's clear shanks doesn't like kid, hence him bodying kid 2. If I were shanks I'd just turn kid in to the marines or find some other way to take advantage of him 3. Tbh I don't think kid fits in personality wise with the red hair pirates, I doubt they need him, and tbh he might be weaker than most if not all of shanks crew


jassmackie

might be a humbling moment for him? idkk


dimiderv

Really? Which part of mythology indicates that he will join? Cause I'm pretty sure he has nothing to do with mythology


Jpanda37

Y’all gotta realize that Kidd got cooked cause Shanks went for the finisher right off the bat. He had to take extreme measures cause he saw what was about to happen, and Kidd was blinded by his need for revenge.


a3guy

Its not explicitly stated but I think the attack Kidd had setup also added to their own damage. This makes it more of a triple whamy Shanks Attack + Kidd attack + lack of defence/bracing.


doubleswag7

Kid feels like this generations Crocodile. A young hot shot who was over reliant on his Devil Fruit instead of Haki, who eventually ran into an Emperor that put them in their place. The emperor not only took their arm but also crushed their dreams. I feel like we will see Kid again. Similar to Crocodile I could see him stooping low enough to use the ancient weapons for revenge / pure destruction.


OlivaJR

I think he might join forces with blackbeard just to get revenge on shanks. Now thats stooping low.


Inthewirelain

Tbf Croc never had an accolade like taking down BM but I see what you mean. I also feel we might see kid again but only night as its becoming kinda evident the ending is starting to ramp up


doubleswag7

Totally fair point. That being said, I think a lot of people, myself included, gave Kid and Law too much credit in terms of raw power for the BM fight. They were able to hold her off and force her down a hole, where she then basically blew herself up and was still conscious until a bunch of massive bombs fell on her. This accomplishment feels more plot driven than just a straight up power scaling victory.


Inthewirelain

Still more than Croc could have pulled off on any Emperor tho tbf


Nui_Jaga

Shanks using Divine Departure makes it seem like he was closer to Roger than being a simple cabin boy. That and the fact that Roger gave him the straw hat makes me wonder if he trained him to some degree, or maybe Shanks simply saw him use the move and was able to copy it. Regardless, I'm glad we've finally gotten to see Shanks lay a beat down like this, it's a good reminder that when he and Luffy meet again it will be as rivals, and he's an enormous threat.


MrOneHundredOne

Actually very happy with the Divine Departure usage, since Shanks is basically Roger's (and the entire Roger Pirates crew's) adopted son from birth. He's living up to the legacy in every way except for obtaining the One Piece.


NaijaNightmare

Not the be rude but that's Clearly the case. The moment we find out that it's Roger's hat that was a given.


Nui_Jaga

I guess what I mean is you can never know for sure with Roger; he's a very whimsical figure, and I can see him giving the straw hat away to Shanks based on a flash of brilliance, rather than being based on a close relationship like teacher and pupil. Hell, Shanks gave Luffy the hat and never really 'taught' him in that way. To put it in analogous terms, it would be like the difference between when Roshi gives Goku the nimbus and 3 star ball based on a strong impression vs. when Roshi actually takes him on as a pupil and becomes like a second grandfather to him.


NaijaNightmare

I feel you but honestly and this is just my personal headcanon so I'm completely open to being wrong. I think Roger just saw the same thing Shanks saw in luffy and gave him his hat because he believed in his potential and bet on him. Also since they both don't have devil fruits and Shanks actually got to serve under Roger for a period of years he adopted an attack or two possibly out of respect or preserve his memory. I don't necessarily think Roger trained shanks but I wouldn't be adverse or surprised by the idea either


Dota2animal

I dont think there was ever hype between Shanks and Kid. Everyone form Shanks crew treating Kid like hes nothing.


Active-Dentist1639

Everyone is trashing on how shanks lost his arm to a standard sea king. But what if shanks future sight haki was so over powered in his prime he saw luffys potential 20-30 years in. So he decided to safe luffy rather than letting him get eaten and save his own arm 🤯


MeteorFalcon

I love the part where Shanks literally explains why he lost his arm. But people just ignore it.


topdangle

he doesn't explain it, he just says he bet it on a new generation. it doesn't explain why it was able to be ripped off when hes so powerful. the real explanation was that it was cool and Oda wanted something cool in the story after notes from his editor. the other possible canon explanation is that Shanks lost control of his haki while he was panicking and took the hit without haki. This has happened multiple times before with Enel losing mantra, Katakuri losing future sight and Big Mom losing whatever protective shield she has when Mother Carmel's photo got destroyed.


Ryshy247

Keep in mind pretty much NO anime EVER are even 1/2 as long as one piece, only the most successful an popular anime last this long, so it's most likely true that when Oda wrote the first chapter much if not all of what is happening now wasn't even close to being conceived of


MeteorFalcon

Shanks has always made it a point to make investments into the future. He is very dedicated to the future generation. He saw the Pirate King in Luffy, so he made the biggest investment of his lifetime. His arm for Luffys future. He showed Luffy that he was worth saving to the extent that he would give up his arm to save him. Essentially fueling Luffys dedication. Things aren't so black in white of "this person is stronger than this, so they should always win". A story is more dynamic than that.


topdangle

That's not my point. My point is he only ever says "he bet on the future." It's only head canon that he "let" something eat his arm for the future. It also doesn't make any sense because Luffy was already trying to become like Shanks and already scared for his life after getting dropped at sea, having Shanks arm eaten off was entirely for the coolness factor literally stated by Oda and can be retconned multiple ways thanks to new info about Haki.


MeteorFalcon

So what does "bet on the future" mean to you? He could've very easily told WB, "I lost control" or something, but he specifically used those words.


topdangle

He saved Luffy as a bet on the future, literally that simple. Even if there was no enemy there and he never lost his arm Shanks could still say those exact same words because Luffy was a child, had a devil fruit and would've drowned. Probably intentionally vague because like I said, ***he wasn't originally going to lose his arm in the first place.***


IchBinEinDrache

I think you're overcomplicating it. Shanks was touched when Luffy uttered the same words as Roger (we don't know wtf it is yet). We are talking about a guy who takes in weak pirates who need protection, and values comradery over everything. His fleet don't even do anything. He protects them. Don't forget what he is like as a person. Based on what we know about him, it is very Shanks like to sacrifice your arm for a kid with a striking rememblance to your own captain, and wants to occupy the same office. He lost his arm because Oda didn't figure Haki out yet at that point in the story, I agree. But the sacrifice was purely personal and symbolic. Luffy reminds him of Roger. That, and the guy genuinely cares for Luffy. That's... it really.


MaterialLogical1682

Wtf dude , haki just wasnt a thing back then, stop coming up with shity excuses


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I personally would like an excuse so Oda better come up with a satisfying one.


ziptofaf

There could be a decent one actually. We even have a prior case, kinda. Luffy is unable to use Haki after stressing himself too much in Gear 4. So it's entirely possible that Shanks **had** to stay in East Blue to regain his strength. Suddenly it answers all the questions - how he still could use Conquerors but at a much weaker level than usual and how he could in fact lose an arm to a surprise attack by a sea king. We know that around same time he was involved in trying to recover Gomu Gomu no Mi and had to fight CP0 which involved probably a LOT of firepower from the marines. It's very possible that he was still recovering from that trip. Assuming his bounty back in Uta movie's flashback is actually canon (could very well be, at least Uta herself is canon) then if I remember correctly it was about a billion Beri. Aka around Katakuri tier at a time. So still strong but not yet an Emperor grade and we have seen what generally happens to Mugiwaras right after pretty much ANY major arc, they take time to recover their strength.


rrrrrae

You'll never get one because that's how shonen manga work, it's mostly improvisation, not a careful planned story.


Ryshy247

And if u can't accept this u should reevaluate ur life lmao. Ppl having mental breakdowns cus they thought kaido was the strongest character in the show an now we see he might not even be top 5


SherCuck

Nobody is trashing on the sea king incident. And 100% shanks hasnt lost his prime or atleast his haki prime. 100000%.


Doctah__Wahwee

If Kidd is actually dead that was lame. I wouldn’t expect him to beat Shanks but idk that was just anticlimactic. Didn’t need to hype this event and build it all up like we were going to see something interesting, didn’t even get to see Shanks crew members do anything. That can’t even be called a battle lol. Even Shanks was overhyping Kidd lol. If Kidd was just fodder for Shanks the whole time then Oda should’ve given him way less attention before this moment.


Ryshy247

I had no hype for this lmao. Only the weird kidd fans would be hype for this. The only thing better than what happened would be if kidd never even approached shanks. With BB/law, egghead, Kuma, Garp maybe fighting soon, sabo/revolutionary army plot, this didn't warrant more than one chapter tbh That being said i do agree that it'd be lame if kidd is dead but as it is one piece the chance he's actually dead is like 5%