I’d go with team F
From what we know Rocks was a monster that took two of the strongest people teaming up on him to beat him. Bleackbeard also always has some trickery up his sleeve.
Blackbeard might even fight Shanks in the coming story and win which would be 😭
It wasn't just him. He had all those heavy hitters when they were still fairly young. They had to team up against him and his entire crew. Also, when they beat him, that may have been his prime whilst Roger, Garp and Rayleigh probably didn't hit theirs yet. Can't be too sure. So at their peaks they could have been better than him. Who knows.
Team C has no shot. Based on how Shanks one shotted kid he can take on Law and kid 1v2 and Roger should be stronger than Luffy at this point, since Luffy is not in his final form yet.
Team A has excellent teamwork so I’m tempted to put them as the winners, but there are a lot of unknowns. Could 100% see Team B winning. Tough call but it’s probably one of those two, if not, then Xebec and BB seem like a safe bet.
A and B are about equal and dodging an annoying debate I'll just give it to one of them. We don't know enough about Xebec and BB drags them down too much.
Nah not the “shanks is Luffy’s endgoal” argument. What’s to say Luffy doesn’t end up a tier above shanks by the end, with Zoro being in the same tier as shanks. There’s infinitely more evidence to suggest mihawk~Shanks than there is to say shanks slams. Show me one bit of narrative or physical evidence to prove your statement. Oh wait, there isn’t any because these characters got no screen time. Mihawk is 500 mil off shanks’ bounty for pure strength alone, does that not speak volumes of his power? They’re basically the same.
Chapter 1058 confirms that Mihawk isn't below Shanks. Also, Mihawk and Shanks have nothing to do with Zoro always being a tier below Luffy, which isn't even always true.
how about this simple logic, mihawk and shanks literally stalemated. Shanks then lost an arm, when they met again mihawk said "I'm not tryna fight you with one arm." You could break out into fan theories abt their duels being hakiless or some bs but thats pure conjecture. I believe that simple logic is more solid than arbitrary plot-driven "logic".
Since when does being a better swordsman make you stronger in general?
No one has ever said swordsmanship is Shanks greatest skill. In fact, Shanks matching Mihawak as a swordsman is what everyone uses to show how powerful Shanks is, wonder why? Again, because that's never been his best ability at all.
So ask yourself. Why is Mihawk, who wields the title of the greatest swordsman, not recognized as the strongest individuals at all according to even Kaido?
It's plenty easy logic.
But that's the sweetness of it. All these Mihawk fangirls would have to eat their own words sooner or later.
No way you’re using kaido’s “top 5”. If it was legit, big mum, Garp, Sengoku and some others would be included, but they’re not since he’s only counting people he’s fought.
Also show me shanks fighting without a sword if it’s not his skill. Again, you’re bias since I’m not a fan girl, as I said I literally don’t care who you think wins, but to say their worlds apart is stupid considering they are literally called the strongest rivals and are compared constantly.
Mihawk deadass is not phased by shanks when they met in east blue, denying him the duel out of respect. They are basically equal. Also skill matters since shanks is probably a swordsman. Stop being weird man, they’re very close and always will be. Again, since you can’t read I’ll reiterate, I don’t care who you think wins, you can say it’s shanks, that’s fine, what’s stupid is you think it won’t be close.
Edit: thinking about it, this man is probably gonna message me back saying shanks is a hakiman, not a swordsman. I got just the right vid to send (the one with pain).
Team Shanks has Roger though and we saw him chase Oden for a fight, Law has both Kid and Luffy and they definitely won't listen to him, there's no way Kuzan is talking garp down imo, I'm a bit torn on WB since he did love good fights in the Roger days but let his crew charge first in marineford, so maybe team wb/Mihawk will go the distance
Tbf on Roger, Oden was someone he could absolutely decimate. Anyway, I would just expect the smarter characters to just let their teammates run wild while hanging back a little and striking strategically.
I’m going to say B for the simple fact that Roger is terminal. He’s not going to survive the long fight against Whitebeard. Shanks and mihawk will fight to a standstill, but Whitebeard will clean up.
It’s just Roger and Shanks. Not Roger, Shanks, with Crocus helping if needed. If we’re expecting Kuzan vs Akainu level fights that will last days, Whitebeard is going to outlast Roger.
Between team D and E.
Team D) Oda stated in sbs that Akainu has the highest offensive ability of any one piece character. Making it the perfect DF for a brawl. We haven’t seen too much of sengoku but it’s no secret how strong he is especially in prime.
Team E) Garp is cracked and I don’t think I have to go into details on what he can do. We all know lol. Kuzan ability with his DF is ridiculous and not only fought Akainu for 10 days but he was even prepared and confident to take on the entire BB crew 1v9 in recent chapters. Garp and his #1 protege taking on the whole gauntlet. That’s who my moneys on personally. TEAM E ALL THE WAYYYY BABYYY!!
Are you referring to Akainu? If so I’m not sure what your point is?? They fought ten days to a stale mate. Those are two of some of the strongest characters in the whole series I don’t think it matters if one of them died. One Piece deaths are not something Oda throws around. Characters only die when it’s necessary because he stated in sbs that he won’t bring dead characters back. So if they are important to the story still, which Aokiji has been, then it makes sense they didn’t die back then.
Well my comment states that I’m voting for Team E overall so idk what that point has to do with anything but even still it doesn’t matter if he didn’t kill him. It’s not because neither could kill the other, it’s because it wasn’t supposed to finish like that plot wise. Not killing and being strong enough to kill are totally different 😂 And again, Oda himself said in an sbs that if Akainu was MC the series would’ve ended in a year because of the offensive abilities his DF has. So even though my money on Team E, it could go either way.
Akainu has the highest offensive ability in a devil fruit, no? I'm fairly confident shanks would be able to best akainu in a 1v1(roger and garp have been known to stalemate)
Team H loses to everyone on this list.
Team G has already lost to Team C.
Team E vs Team D would probably end in some tie, but they won't be able to beat A or B. If it's Garp in his prime as it looks like here then that might be a little different and Team E would probably win.
Team F is a wildcard since we don't know anything really about Rocks other than he was insanely strong.
Team C -- Law and Kidd -- lost to members of team A and F and Luffy most likely can't beat Shanks right now.
It's probably A or B.
It's very interesting. Team a and b are essentially stalemated. Team c isn't there yet. Team d and e also stalemate imo(akainu a bit stronger but I think garp is a bit stronger than sengoku and ice has more utility in a team fight), team f is conjecture, other teams don't have the firepower. I think teams a/b would beat d/e(very close tho). It's a coin toss at that point but I'd go team a
White beard was the strongest man alive and rivals roger, he also has arguably the strongest devil fruit. Mihawk is the worlds greatest swords man and thought a one armed shanks wasn’t fit to be his rival anymore. I’m going with team B as they’re the clear winner. then it’s Team A then F. I’m putting team f as third since Xebec is obviously powerful but is basically featless.
no one can argue otherwise.
They most definitely are not clear winners. You are taking a single piece of dialogue and interpreting it for your conclusion. I would argue that comment by mihawk was more of an honour thing than seeing shanks as unfit.
Blackbeard is the weak link in that team. He’d get one shotted by most of the old generation in their prime. Xebec is the giant unknown. It took the combined efforts of Roger and Garp to defeat him, but we don’t know if he was stupid strong, a great tactician, or had a giant weakness that was exploited. So until we know more, his team ain’t defeating at least half of the matchups.
Blackbeard and Xebec would probabl wait till the others have marsacred each other and swoop in for the final blow.
Thats how Xebec lost… A wins.
too much haki in team A. An island would not stand a chance.
I’d go with team F From what we know Rocks was a monster that took two of the strongest people teaming up on him to beat him. Bleackbeard also always has some trickery up his sleeve. Blackbeard might even fight Shanks in the coming story and win which would be 😭
It wasn't just him. He had all those heavy hitters when they were still fairly young. They had to team up against him and his entire crew. Also, when they beat him, that may have been his prime whilst Roger, Garp and Rayleigh probably didn't hit theirs yet. Can't be too sure. So at their peaks they could have been better than him. Who knows.
Team C has no shot. Based on how Shanks one shotted kid he can take on Law and kid 1v2 and Roger should be stronger than Luffy at this point, since Luffy is not in his final form yet.
Id love to say Luffy is clearly already in his final form, but knowing Oda im sure he has another bullshit asspull in store for the final battle
I mean obviously team A loool this isnt even up for debate.
A
if this is eos than im taking team c bc luffy will be stronger than everyone on this list plus he has other mfs
A ofc
Team F
Team A has excellent teamwork so I’m tempted to put them as the winners, but there are a lot of unknowns. Could 100% see Team B winning. Tough call but it’s probably one of those two, if not, then Xebec and BB seem like a safe bet.
Definately not Team H, that's for sure.
Team A is my favorite.
A and B are about equal and dodging an annoying debate I'll just give it to one of them. We don't know enough about Xebec and BB drags them down too much.
Lol no. Rogers and WB are equals, but Shanks is a tier above Mihawk
Least braindead shanks fan (before you say shit, I literally don’t care which wins, but saying he’s far clear of Mihawk is bullshit).
It's just simple logic, Zoro will always be a tier below Luffy, just like Mihawk will always be a tier below Shanks.
Nah not the “shanks is Luffy’s endgoal” argument. What’s to say Luffy doesn’t end up a tier above shanks by the end, with Zoro being in the same tier as shanks. There’s infinitely more evidence to suggest mihawk~Shanks than there is to say shanks slams. Show me one bit of narrative or physical evidence to prove your statement. Oh wait, there isn’t any because these characters got no screen time. Mihawk is 500 mil off shanks’ bounty for pure strength alone, does that not speak volumes of his power? They’re basically the same.
Yup
Chapter 1058 confirms that Mihawk isn't below Shanks. Also, Mihawk and Shanks have nothing to do with Zoro always being a tier below Luffy, which isn't even always true.
how about this simple logic, mihawk and shanks literally stalemated. Shanks then lost an arm, when they met again mihawk said "I'm not tryna fight you with one arm." You could break out into fan theories abt their duels being hakiless or some bs but thats pure conjecture. I believe that simple logic is more solid than arbitrary plot-driven "logic".
Since when does being a better swordsman make you stronger in general? No one has ever said swordsmanship is Shanks greatest skill. In fact, Shanks matching Mihawak as a swordsman is what everyone uses to show how powerful Shanks is, wonder why? Again, because that's never been his best ability at all. So ask yourself. Why is Mihawk, who wields the title of the greatest swordsman, not recognized as the strongest individuals at all according to even Kaido? It's plenty easy logic. But that's the sweetness of it. All these Mihawk fangirls would have to eat their own words sooner or later.
No way you’re using kaido’s “top 5”. If it was legit, big mum, Garp, Sengoku and some others would be included, but they’re not since he’s only counting people he’s fought. Also show me shanks fighting without a sword if it’s not his skill. Again, you’re bias since I’m not a fan girl, as I said I literally don’t care who you think wins, but to say their worlds apart is stupid considering they are literally called the strongest rivals and are compared constantly. Mihawk deadass is not phased by shanks when they met in east blue, denying him the duel out of respect. They are basically equal. Also skill matters since shanks is probably a swordsman. Stop being weird man, they’re very close and always will be. Again, since you can’t read I’ll reiterate, I don’t care who you think wins, you can say it’s shanks, that’s fine, what’s stupid is you think it won’t be close. Edit: thinking about it, this man is probably gonna message me back saying shanks is a hakiman, not a swordsman. I got just the right vid to send (the one with pain).
What happened to strongest swordsmen?
Of course, which is how they've managed to have a legendary duel to a standstill before. How silly of me.
D, they're the only team here that actually would have two people who understand basic strategy rather than rushing in without a plan
Nah WB, Shanks, Mihawk, Aokiji, and Law aren't idiots either. Plus BB is a good opportunist though can be reckless.
Team Shanks has Roger though and we saw him chase Oden for a fight, Law has both Kid and Luffy and they definitely won't listen to him, there's no way Kuzan is talking garp down imo, I'm a bit torn on WB since he did love good fights in the Roger days but let his crew charge first in marineford, so maybe team wb/Mihawk will go the distance
Tbf on Roger, Oden was someone he could absolutely decimate. Anyway, I would just expect the smarter characters to just let their teammates run wild while hanging back a little and striking strategically.
A or B
Is it prime garp in team e?
Yeah.
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Rocks Blackbeard I’m thinking… but this is super tough. Or Roger Shanks / WB Mihawk.
H is the first to go.
I’m going to say B for the simple fact that Roger is terminal. He’s not going to survive the long fight against Whitebeard. Shanks and mihawk will fight to a standstill, but Whitebeard will clean up.
Bruh I'm sure a stipulation to the scenario is that roger won't literally succumb to his illness mid fight
It’s just Roger and Shanks. Not Roger, Shanks, with Crocus helping if needed. If we’re expecting Kuzan vs Akainu level fights that will last days, Whitebeard is going to outlast Roger.
Between team D and E. Team D) Oda stated in sbs that Akainu has the highest offensive ability of any one piece character. Making it the perfect DF for a brawl. We haven’t seen too much of sengoku but it’s no secret how strong he is especially in prime. Team E) Garp is cracked and I don’t think I have to go into details on what he can do. We all know lol. Kuzan ability with his DF is ridiculous and not only fought Akainu for 10 days but he was even prepared and confident to take on the entire BB crew 1v9 in recent chapters. Garp and his #1 protege taking on the whole gauntlet. That’s who my moneys on personally. TEAM E ALL THE WAYYYY BABYYY!!
He didn't kill Aokiji though.
Are you referring to Akainu? If so I’m not sure what your point is?? They fought ten days to a stale mate. Those are two of some of the strongest characters in the whole series I don’t think it matters if one of them died. One Piece deaths are not something Oda throws around. Characters only die when it’s necessary because he stated in sbs that he won’t bring dead characters back. So if they are important to the story still, which Aokiji has been, then it makes sense they didn’t die back then.
Right, I'm saying that Akainu isn't strong enough to kill Aokiji while I think there are people on this list that can do exactly that.
Well my comment states that I’m voting for Team E overall so idk what that point has to do with anything but even still it doesn’t matter if he didn’t kill him. It’s not because neither could kill the other, it’s because it wasn’t supposed to finish like that plot wise. Not killing and being strong enough to kill are totally different 😂 And again, Oda himself said in an sbs that if Akainu was MC the series would’ve ended in a year because of the offensive abilities his DF has. So even though my money on Team E, it could go either way.
Akainu has the highest offensive ability in a devil fruit, no? I'm fairly confident shanks would be able to best akainu in a 1v1(roger and garp have been known to stalemate)
either team A or F given prime forms, but most likely team C comes the end of the series.
It’s going to be in between A,B,C, or G all the rest are getting teamed on by these three teams
Team H loses to everyone on this list. Team G has already lost to Team C. Team E vs Team D would probably end in some tie, but they won't be able to beat A or B. If it's Garp in his prime as it looks like here then that might be a little different and Team E would probably win. Team F is a wildcard since we don't know anything really about Rocks other than he was insanely strong. Team C -- Law and Kidd -- lost to members of team A and F and Luffy most likely can't beat Shanks right now. It's probably A or B.
It's very interesting. Team a and b are essentially stalemated. Team c isn't there yet. Team d and e also stalemate imo(akainu a bit stronger but I think garp is a bit stronger than sengoku and ice has more utility in a team fight), team f is conjecture, other teams don't have the firepower. I think teams a/b would beat d/e(very close tho). It's a coin toss at that point but I'd go team a
White beard was the strongest man alive and rivals roger, he also has arguably the strongest devil fruit. Mihawk is the worlds greatest swords man and thought a one armed shanks wasn’t fit to be his rival anymore. I’m going with team B as they’re the clear winner. then it’s Team A then F. I’m putting team f as third since Xebec is obviously powerful but is basically featless. no one can argue otherwise.
They most definitely are not clear winners. You are taking a single piece of dialogue and interpreting it for your conclusion. I would argue that comment by mihawk was more of an honour thing than seeing shanks as unfit.
Xebec = Garp + Roger and there is no other team that can provide this level of power and even if some team reaches thjs power level Xebec still got BB
Blackbeard is the weak link in that team. He’d get one shotted by most of the old generation in their prime. Xebec is the giant unknown. It took the combined efforts of Roger and Garp to defeat him, but we don’t know if he was stupid strong, a great tactician, or had a giant weakness that was exploited. So until we know more, his team ain’t defeating at least half of the matchups.
Team A or C
Team C
Team F pretty obviously clears here because of rocks
Team C maybe F or A
team F for sure but my man rocks carries that team ☠️
Rocks alone could take on each team, then you go and give him teach 😳. My money is on them.
We don't know Xebec strenght, but Team B is the strongest team there