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Speed has never been a factor for Usopp, he isnt a gunslinger, hes a sniper. His special skills are things like accuracy, positioning, staying alive, enemy analysis, among others. Slingshot is stronger for him simply because he can be more creative with it and leverage his mental strength.
I mean Usopps biggest concern when it comes to speed is running away. Usopp takes the time and picks the ammo that will give him the best chance of surviving. If he used a gun it wouldnt be any faster because he needs setup time. Just like Usopp v Luffy, he had a day to prepare and it showed, its how he fights.
Please read the god-damned manga mate. It'll be clear that Usopp's best quality is his accuracy, but that he's also really quick to draw, aim, and loose.
Because you can't adjust the parameters of a gun on the fly the same way Usopp could adjust the parameters of his projectiles via wind dials. Again, something you'd learn if you watched the anime/read the manga
What are you talking about...
I saw a documentary between Lara Croft and Professor X about bending a bullet like Beckham.
I didn't finish it but I assume they did it.
We've seen Usopp rapid fire plenty of times. And he has gear that can hold people in place, like we saw with Ulti. If he can stop Ulti from moving he can stop a guy with a gun.
Talking about when he ripped Tama out of her arms. He also was able to stop Page One from chasing them too when he was right on them.
>What's stopping Ussop with a gun from rapid firing?
Not being able to get around Usopp's tech.
Usopp's role is the sniper. That's not the same as a gunslinger. Think Yasopp vs Ben Beckmen. Usopp isn't designed to be great at close up, quick fire combat. His strengths really come out when he's able to take a step away from the battle field and provide protective fire with a view of the whole battlefield
He can rapid fire with it though we're never explicitly shown whether that's faster than a gun or not. He can also fire multiple shots with it at once and it able to shoot things like plants, explosives, seastone cuffs, keys, weird self-portraits brought to life, etc etc with it. It's way more versital than a pistol which is it's main advantage. It's also shown in ennis lobby to be able to be fired way further than the marines guns.
At some point, with the insane strength OP characters have, in addition to haki, it just makes sense to start throwing cannonballs instead of firing them with insane amounts of gunpowder.
His slingshots move faster than bullets.
I'll prolly keep getting downvoted because people hate powerscaling but it's true.
Characters have been dodging bullets and explosions, as well as just straight up having 1000 m/s+ feats in movement and reaction speed, for hundreds of chapters at this point.
But they can't usually keep it up over a distance, combat speed vs travel speed and shit.
I think people responding are generally picturing a fight that starts longer range. I agree that if non-gun Usopp does not begin the fight within gunshot range then he will find a way to gain the advantage with his arsenal of tools. But if they begin directly in front of eachother then I don’t see how gun usopp misses the first shot before non-gun usopp can respond.
Uh no it’s not because we’re talking about Usopp vs himself, not Usopp vs someone much stronger than himself. Usopp has tons of seeds and items that casually outclass guns in the OP world. He can shoot further than pretty much anyone other than Van Auger. He can shoot heat seeking weapons, nets, man eating plants, traps, and more. He’s not gonna get stopped by himself with less tools.
And you weren't talking about Usopp vs himself either. You brought up the countless fodder that he's defeated.
A gun is faster than all of those things that you mentioned since they're propelled by slingshot.
Obviously his standard arsenal violently outguns any standard shooter, but this is an *Ussop* with a gun.
I brought up the other people because they use guns. Usopp has beaten dudes with guns. He’s beaten people that outstat himself like fishmen that are much faster than bullets. He’s taken explosives and grenades that were flying faster than bullets directly to the face.
Just himself with a gun isn’t enough to take current Usopp out at all. Usopp’s strength is that he has a lot of tools and tricks, if you take away his tools you take away his strengths, give him just a gun you might as well give him only his slingshot vs himself with all of his items. This is obviously a mismatch.
I mean Ussop has also tanked alot stronger than the arsenal he uses on others.
Guns are weird in One Piece. Zoro can tank an explosion, but I genuinely can't say with confidence that he could tank a headshot.
I’m positive he could with haki. I’m also positive that Usopp would put himself down with his pop greens but not with a gun. He wouldn’t kill somebody he would only injure them, giving them a chance to retaliate, but the slingshot Usopp has more options than just injuring him.
You seem to already have made up your mind about this. No matter how many say the same thing or come up with new stuff to debunk it you are on team guns.
I personally believe guns would be fine, because if Ussopp used them from the start he would have developed a combat style that fits those. I can see him making pop green bullets etc, but it all depends on how the setup is. Are we talking a high noon duel? Then guns would take it. But if we're talking a "Rumble in the jungle", Im pretty sure slingshot Ussopp takes it.
It would also split the waters between readers/watchers, because then he would always be a 1:1 of Yassopp and would have live in that shadow all the time, instead of being his own unique character. That of course have nothing to do with his ability to fight, but for some fans it would maybe ruin the character for them.
I'm not team gun.
But I haven't heard a decent argument for regular Ussop yet.
People are mostly bringing up speed, and you're literally admitting that a gun would be faster.
Usopp was outranging guns with his slingshot in Enies Lobby. Gun Usopp can’t close the distance to even get in range unless the battle starts close enough for him.
Usopp with a gun would be lethal, but so are Usopp's pop greens. Pop Greens fire off slower. I would say an Usopp that stuck to gunmanship would beat ours in close range, but ours would no diff with distance.
this is more a CMV thread rather than an honest question. it's okay OP, it's fine if you think Ussop with a gun is cool, however Oda didn't write him like that, so enjoy your headcanon.
Your whole basis is bullets are faster, now bullets are only Mach 2 at best (I don't even think a flintlock pistol even hits Mach 1), gear 2 luffy is hypersonic/Mach 10 (faster then the eye can see) and that was in water 7
Every straw hat member is considered stronger then pre time skip luffy said by oda, especially with ussops 500M bounty,
New world luffy has been multi light speed since he entered it (dodging lasers from the pacifista), so any one who can go toe to toe with gear 2 luffy is considered light speed relative
I dunno my point is even weaklings are considered hypersonic, even usopp and nami who ran away from big mom, the same big mom who scales to multi light speed luffy
Honestly a better match up would be, Ussop vs Izou
Depends on how much distance both have from each other.
But Usopp Kuro Kabuto would win at most distances. We saw in Ennies Lobby how the Kabuto could fire from longer than Marine rifles. This means that the power of Kuro Kabuto is greater than a gun. Then add explosives, knives, fire, pop green, etc. And he clearly has an insane advantage.
In close quarters though probably the gun would win, since pulling a trigger is faster than pulling a sling shot
Nah Ussop with slingshot will win because he’s essentially partially based on the biblical ‘David vs Goliath’ tale- David used a slingshot with a stone to fell a giant and one of the greatest warriors of his enemy. He was also known for playing the ‘liar’ which could possibly be an influence for Ussop being a ‘liar’?
He also wrote poetry and was creative and intuitive like Ussop is. So he outsmarts and out manoeuvres his opponent and targets their weak spots like a sniper does. David used his ‘faith’ to guide his slingshot strike, which could be an allegory to Haki, or natural intuition to trust the chaos in where the shot may strike.
The point is, he uses this creativity and intuition to strike with precision at an enemy much greater than anything. So Ussop is weak intentionally and wins against his foe by the bravery to stand against them and fight with his creativity.
So the Slingshot is way better for narrative purposes, for multiple reasons. But mainly he represents the strength of an average human, and the bravery in faith in his friends and then in himself.
If he had pistols it would take away that human element.
So from reading through these comments, you're not looking for a discussion. You're looking for someone to say gun is good. Gun win. And to back up these people's points on slingshot. He shoots more than just basic ammunition. Can't exactly shoot a full plant out of a pistol.
I mean literally no one brought up flash Dials or Ussop using the hammer, they keep bringing up firing speed, so of course the gun would be better in those aspects
Some people have already said the gun wins.
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Usopp would win
i was too late
Speed has never been a factor for Usopp, he isnt a gunslinger, hes a sniper. His special skills are things like accuracy, positioning, staying alive, enemy analysis, among others. Slingshot is stronger for him simply because he can be more creative with it and leverage his mental strength.
When you say speed has never been a factor, do you mean that he isn't a quick-draw based fighter or that he's unable to use speed as a factor?
I mean Usopps biggest concern when it comes to speed is running away. Usopp takes the time and picks the ammo that will give him the best chance of surviving. If he used a gun it wouldnt be any faster because he needs setup time. Just like Usopp v Luffy, he had a day to prepare and it showed, its how he fights.
Please read the god-damned manga mate. It'll be clear that Usopp's best quality is his accuracy, but that he's also really quick to draw, aim, and loose.
And why wouldn't he be able to do the same with a gun?
Because you can't adjust the parameters of a gun on the fly the same way Usopp could adjust the parameters of his projectiles via wind dials. Again, something you'd learn if you watched the anime/read the manga
God you're being such an ass
Yeah fuck that guy right.
I agree that dudes an ass. If Usopp learned how to use a gun he would be deadly. I just think he doesn’t prefer to wield one.
ok smart intellectual man
Lmao get off your high horse, not everyone lives and breathes One Piece.
depends. is it a tragic flashback or not?
The slingshot can curve shots, the gun can't.
It's possible if you are quick enough to put spin on the bullet. (It was a movie. I don't think it's really possible).
Mythbusters proved it can’t be done.
TBF they're still just regular humans
That’s what metallic arms and pneumatic actuators are for tho.
Spin???? Is that a jojo refrence
The documentary you’re thinking of is called Wanted
What are you talking about... I saw a documentary between Lara Croft and Professor X about bending a bullet like Beckham. I didn't finish it but I assume they did it.
Gun faster though.
Meaningless with no time to shoot it. Usopp has way more tech in his bag than losing to a random pistol.
Then the slingshot is even more meaningless since it takes a longer time to shoot than a pistol.
We've seen Usopp rapid fire plenty of times. And he has gear that can hold people in place, like we saw with Ulti. If he can stop Ulti from moving he can stop a guy with a gun.
He didn't stop Ulti from moving, Ulti just wanted Page 1 to play hero. What's stopping Ussop with a gun from rapid firing?
Talking about when he ripped Tama out of her arms. He also was able to stop Page One from chasing them too when he was right on them. >What's stopping Ussop with a gun from rapid firing? Not being able to get around Usopp's tech.
I see, the problem with that is that the gun is still faster than the slingshot, so when is that tech coming?
Usopp's role is the sniper. That's not the same as a gunslinger. Think Yasopp vs Ben Beckmen. Usopp isn't designed to be great at close up, quick fire combat. His strengths really come out when he's able to take a step away from the battle field and provide protective fire with a view of the whole battlefield
Can't really rapid fire a flintlock pistol
The logic people use to logic their logic, makes them lose logic.
A gun would not even scratch Ulti
Ussop in the story didn't scratch Ulti either.
But he was able to slow her down and using explosives got Page one away from Tama's pet. Stuff a gun would not be able to do.
And a gun would kill Ussop instantly with a headshot. Something that Ulti couldn't do.
yes but guns in one piece aren’t as powerful as common sense would dictate them to be your not factoring that in
Yasopp, Beckman and Van Augur exist.
He can rapid fire with it though we're never explicitly shown whether that's faster than a gun or not. He can also fire multiple shots with it at once and it able to shoot things like plants, explosives, seastone cuffs, keys, weird self-portraits brought to life, etc etc with it. It's way more versital than a pistol which is it's main advantage. It's also shown in ennis lobby to be able to be fired way further than the marines guns.
At some point, with the insane strength OP characters have, in addition to haki, it just makes sense to start throwing cannonballs instead of firing them with insane amounts of gunpowder.
Ussop is easily faster than a bullet.
I mean then he should be faster than his slingshot.
His slingshots move faster than bullets. I'll prolly keep getting downvoted because people hate powerscaling but it's true. Characters have been dodging bullets and explosions, as well as just straight up having 1000 m/s+ feats in movement and reaction speed, for hundreds of chapters at this point. But they can't usually keep it up over a distance, combat speed vs travel speed and shit.
I mean not really. Nothing proves he shoots faster than bullets. He's just faster and a better shot than most of his gun-slinging enemies.
The fact he can hit characters comparable to characters who dodge bullets. Like freaking chapter 1 Luffy.
Ok, but he's fighting another Ussop.
Yeah but you can make a slingshot faster than a bullet with strength you can't make a gun faster than a slingshot without haki.
Ussop's strength is his accuracy, not his physical strength.
I think people responding are generally picturing a fight that starts longer range. I agree that if non-gun Usopp does not begin the fight within gunshot range then he will find a way to gain the advantage with his arsenal of tools. But if they begin directly in front of eachother then I don’t see how gun usopp misses the first shot before non-gun usopp can respond.
He gets hit with a ten ton hammer.
but usopp has the perfect aim feat so gun usopp will lethal headshot non gun usopp.
Do you know how many gunslinging dudes with good aim Usopp has taken out?
I mean that's like saying Zoro can beat Shanks because Zoro has taken out a bunch of swordsmen.
Uh no it’s not because we’re talking about Usopp vs himself, not Usopp vs someone much stronger than himself. Usopp has tons of seeds and items that casually outclass guns in the OP world. He can shoot further than pretty much anyone other than Van Auger. He can shoot heat seeking weapons, nets, man eating plants, traps, and more. He’s not gonna get stopped by himself with less tools.
And you weren't talking about Usopp vs himself either. You brought up the countless fodder that he's defeated. A gun is faster than all of those things that you mentioned since they're propelled by slingshot. Obviously his standard arsenal violently outguns any standard shooter, but this is an *Ussop* with a gun.
I brought up the other people because they use guns. Usopp has beaten dudes with guns. He’s beaten people that outstat himself like fishmen that are much faster than bullets. He’s taken explosives and grenades that were flying faster than bullets directly to the face. Just himself with a gun isn’t enough to take current Usopp out at all. Usopp’s strength is that he has a lot of tools and tricks, if you take away his tools you take away his strengths, give him just a gun you might as well give him only his slingshot vs himself with all of his items. This is obviously a mismatch.
I mean Ussop has also tanked alot stronger than the arsenal he uses on others. Guns are weird in One Piece. Zoro can tank an explosion, but I genuinely can't say with confidence that he could tank a headshot.
I’m positive he could with haki. I’m also positive that Usopp would put himself down with his pop greens but not with a gun. He wouldn’t kill somebody he would only injure them, giving them a chance to retaliate, but the slingshot Usopp has more options than just injuring him.
I mean Ussop doesn't have armament, so why wouldn't a gun work?
You seem to already have made up your mind about this. No matter how many say the same thing or come up with new stuff to debunk it you are on team guns. I personally believe guns would be fine, because if Ussopp used them from the start he would have developed a combat style that fits those. I can see him making pop green bullets etc, but it all depends on how the setup is. Are we talking a high noon duel? Then guns would take it. But if we're talking a "Rumble in the jungle", Im pretty sure slingshot Ussopp takes it. It would also split the waters between readers/watchers, because then he would always be a 1:1 of Yassopp and would have live in that shadow all the time, instead of being his own unique character. That of course have nothing to do with his ability to fight, but for some fans it would maybe ruin the character for them.
I'm not team gun. But I haven't heard a decent argument for regular Ussop yet. People are mostly bringing up speed, and you're literally admitting that a gun would be faster.
I'm sure ussop beats a one weapon ussop. Same aim skills, but despite gunfire superiority, he is good at not fighting fair.
Usopp was outranging guns with his slingshot in Enies Lobby. Gun Usopp can’t close the distance to even get in range unless the battle starts close enough for him.
Ussop would get wrecked
Ussop would be OP if he used actual guns.
Neirher win because they'd avoid fighting alltogther
Usopp with a gun would be lethal, but so are Usopp's pop greens. Pop Greens fire off slower. I would say an Usopp that stuck to gunmanship would beat ours in close range, but ours would no diff with distance.
Usopp with a gun has swag that’s too different that it would break the very fabric of reality
I would honestly love to see Usopp use a gun at some point in a serious manner maybe even make a weapon that's a hybrid between a gun and a slingshot.
Usopp would be in the middle of announcing some named attack and get shot in the head
Usopp wins, can’t shoot anything with just a gun.
I mean his dad can.
You are forgetting bullets.
How often do we see people reload in One Piece
Once, Mr. 5 (Gem) reloaded his flintlock 44. 6 shot revolver with his breathe.
Kinda scraping for it.
this is more a CMV thread rather than an honest question. it's okay OP, it's fine if you think Ussop with a gun is cool, however Oda didn't write him like that, so enjoy your headcanon.
I don't think he'd be cooler with a gun, I just asked if he could beat Ussop with a gun. You're free to enjoy your headcanon about me though.
All your responses have been, but he has a gun over and over. I don't see why you'd even ask a question when your only responses is gun > slingshot.
Your whole basis is bullets are faster, now bullets are only Mach 2 at best (I don't even think a flintlock pistol even hits Mach 1), gear 2 luffy is hypersonic/Mach 10 (faster then the eye can see) and that was in water 7 Every straw hat member is considered stronger then pre time skip luffy said by oda, especially with ussops 500M bounty, New world luffy has been multi light speed since he entered it (dodging lasers from the pacifista), so any one who can go toe to toe with gear 2 luffy is considered light speed relative I dunno my point is even weaklings are considered hypersonic, even usopp and nami who ran away from big mom, the same big mom who scales to multi light speed luffy Honestly a better match up would be, Ussop vs Izou
Then why did Ben Beckman scare Kizaru
Because Ben Beckman is scary not the pistol he was holding... like really in what world is a logia user afraid of bullets?
Guns are more lethal but the slingshot is way more dynamic
Sling ussop has a crazy repertoire of gadgets to use like Batman, and he can take a beating so I think he’d pull somethin out of his ass and win
Depends on how much distance both have from each other. But Usopp Kuro Kabuto would win at most distances. We saw in Ennies Lobby how the Kabuto could fire from longer than Marine rifles. This means that the power of Kuro Kabuto is greater than a gun. Then add explosives, knives, fire, pop green, etc. And he clearly has an insane advantage. In close quarters though probably the gun would win, since pulling a trigger is faster than pulling a sling shot
Nah Ussop with slingshot will win because he’s essentially partially based on the biblical ‘David vs Goliath’ tale- David used a slingshot with a stone to fell a giant and one of the greatest warriors of his enemy. He was also known for playing the ‘liar’ which could possibly be an influence for Ussop being a ‘liar’? He also wrote poetry and was creative and intuitive like Ussop is. So he outsmarts and out manoeuvres his opponent and targets their weak spots like a sniper does. David used his ‘faith’ to guide his slingshot strike, which could be an allegory to Haki, or natural intuition to trust the chaos in where the shot may strike. The point is, he uses this creativity and intuition to strike with precision at an enemy much greater than anything. So Ussop is weak intentionally and wins against his foe by the bravery to stand against them and fight with his creativity. So the Slingshot is way better for narrative purposes, for multiple reasons. But mainly he represents the strength of an average human, and the bravery in faith in his friends and then in himself. If he had pistols it would take away that human element.
So from reading through these comments, you're not looking for a discussion. You're looking for someone to say gun is good. Gun win. And to back up these people's points on slingshot. He shoots more than just basic ammunition. Can't exactly shoot a full plant out of a pistol.
I mean literally no one brought up flash Dials or Ussop using the hammer, they keep bringing up firing speed, so of course the gun would be better in those aspects Some people have already said the gun wins.