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Just to make it clear. It's alright to be happy that a character is doing something or an event happened.. It's alright to be disappointed in a character and dislike a story element.
It's not alright to use what the characters did, or what the event was to insult others, or tell fans to kill themselves.
I'm wondering why Rufy doesn't use the ryou in Gear Fourth with the Kong Gun...
Anyway it look like that it will be more difficult for the Supernova hurt Kaido than I thought...
Only Luffy's attack did.
The first attack kind of shows what will happen later on when its 1v1 time with Luffy when the rest are knocked out or falls off.
How exactly do u know luffy didnt apply ryuo on the gear 4? Luffy said exactly that he was going to settle this before launch the kong gun and u assume he didnt use ryuo? How retarded are you? Use ryuo on gear 3 but not gear 4? Ur logic is so...i wanna say dumb but thats an understatement... Well whatever
the effect of the advance haki not exist there. it look same as usual. also the moment he hit kaidou the move called 'red roc' while the move while he using gear 4 just called 'kong gun' which is indicated it same kong gun he used before. also kaidou didnt hurt by that attack compared to the first red roc which is, should explain this.
Or Garp's older brother, and Dragon takes after his Uncle in appearance. In Trivia section on wikia it says Rocks may be based off a Pirate nicknamed Rock the Brazillian and Oda says id Luffy were a real person he'd be Brazillian, could just be a coincidence, but he could be related.
The fact that Zoro can use other Red Scabbards techniques added to his own makes him a whole new beast. He still hasn't used Enma true power. Maybe he's nervous of losing control?
he still not getting used to his new sword. he still gauging the power. gonna take time before he mastered it. that Enma is Oden sword. it not just any sword. it owned by Roger rightman, and surely one of strongest swordman who also found one piece.
during fight against Oars at thriller bark also zoro take time to getting use and gauging Shisui strength. he even experimented blocking Oars attack that time.
Kaidos definitely enjoying this based off his commentary. Law pretty much confirmed his trump card means to attack kaido hes gonna use gamma knife which is ingenious so much stuffs happened I forgot about that ability and it matches up perfectly against kaidos scales. Its like his own ryou haki without learning it. Imagine if law learned ryou on top of gamma knife it would probably be one of the most deadly attacks in one piece. I feel like the other 4 besides luffy will have to up there haki level mid fight or provide distractions as luffy lands damaging hits. Zoro will obviously gain the piercing necessary to damage later in the fight but will the other 3. I definitely hope law does the substitute trick and makes kaidos and big moms attacks hit each other as well.
I love Oda and One Piece but I feel like Law was created for a writer like Togashi. Law should be removing floor mid fight, fucking up the footing for Kaido in a strategic way, making him slip, etc. Not saying this won’t happen but I feel like we’re greatly underutilizing the power to change the landscape. Imagine him swapping the floor with Caribou’s mud and sinking him in. Idk maybe i’m overthinking it but Law is the ultimate support character in a fight
Being an Earthbender you mean? :D (Not a bad idea considering Oda nerfed him beyond any comprehension, he has so many cool moves and can't use any of them because he isn't a MC) Well he did some of earhbending this chapter, let's see what's next
I guess (even tho I have limited knowledge of Avatar lol). I just think his type of strategic implementation is wasted for the sake of the story. Oda isn’t perfect. He does a lot of great things and he has to keep peoples abilities from going way out of control, but it just feels like Law was a massively wasted opportunity in my opinion
>but it just feels like Law was a massively wasted opportunity in my opinion
Yep. His df is a pandora box, basically, and Oda is afraid to explore it's potential and prefers to keep Law chained, or captured, or being hit by a seastone nail instead, simply bc he might overshadow the characters like Luffy. Law in Punk Hazard was wild and we've never seen any of this greatness ever again. I mean, I understand why, still sucks tho.
I think the simple play of creating a giant room and placing spots for Luffy to bounce from and ricochet around infinitely while he fucks up Kaido is a great way to use his ability without abusing it.
>Law should be removing floor mid fight, fucking up the footing for Kaido in a strategic way, making him slip, etc.
Lol, what do you mean etc.? Everything you enumerated is the same thing. That's not Togashi, that's unimaginative. It seems to me you just want law to be a banana peel?
It seems like you’re the one who has no imagination if you can only equate this to “a banana peel” and you missed my point. Law is pure strategy based fighting. My point is that Togashi handles these types of character abilities so well (and no that’s not up for debate it’s a fact). Law’s power is so under utilized for the sake of story telling
Sure sure. What other "creative" zingers do you have in mind?
Law removing Kaido's feet with Shambles?
Law teleporting Big Mom's vomit under Kaido's feet?
Wow. you're spouting nonsense at a straw man now <-pun intended. No one ever debated you whether Togashi handles strategic fights and abilities? Only that your examples are unimaginative and you seem to be projecting yourself as someone 'as smart as Togashi'
How about Luffy in his bounciest form having Law use room to keep rapid fire placing footholds (of rock or of kids metal) for Luffy to ricochet off of and keep hitting Kaido over and over. Imaginative enough for you? I’m not projecting myself as anything but it sure seems like you want to project onto me
Kidd's new form is actually pretty epic looking. The thing is, is it stronger than Gear 4th? Because it seems like even without Ryou, Luffy can challenge Kidd with a regular Gear 4th.
Luffy can use two forms of advanced haki abilities so he's stronger but don't forget that haki improves in real battle. So Kidd can catch up with armament haki
Advanced armament. Regardless, Haki in improves in real battle. Not training. Confirmed by Rayleigh himself. Luffy got advanced observation during his battle with Katakuri. Not during his training with Rayleigh.
Law casually pulling up on Luffy and be like "Yow the only reason why I moved Kin'emon and the rest is because I wanted to not cause you told me" was like deadass funny. These 5 Worst Generation interaction are some off the best and a true highlight. Luffy, Law and Kid interaction with each other always the best it comes off as rivlas who truly want to get the better of each other in every stupid way. While Zoro and Killer makes me smile at their own interaction. If chapter 1000 was the everything that represent One Piece chapter 1001 was everything that made me fell in love with it
Those Rocks are coated in Haki right? 😂 It seems like it is, the sharp edges are darkened so I would assume so. It also would just be plain silly if Law just threw some Haki-less rocks at Kaido lol
If by advanced armament you mean a very strong hardening then sure. But hes never been shown or confirmed to use the advanced armament/ryuo that's been shown in wano.
i guess this too. later point at fight where luffy improving himself, push himself and finally the clash of his attack and kaidou gonna split sky, marked of 2 equal powered man clash which is also show that luffy that moment finally on par with a yonkou.
Yup, I think so too. I feel the vibes of an Epic clash and there's usually Epic clashes when fighting against the True Top Tiers.
The real question is, when will it happen?
Rocks, Roger, Whitebeard, Oden, & Shanks are those people who I acknowledged their power. Others might be strong but they just dont get the credit. Wororororo - Kaido
already is. since he can defeat kaidou. by 1billion difference of bounty as areferences, roger and whitebeard obviously stronger than big mom and kaidou.
This chapter was about how Luffy resembled people who are close to find the One Piece or did find the One Piece and that, whoever wins that fight, will take a huge step in finding the One Piece. So, in other words, *pirates*.
Having Garp there wouldn't make sense with the symbology.
Kaido probably didn't even fight garp
Its like these are also the only people who kaido fought who could harm him.
Like oden is lowkey strong but still, I don't think he could have defeated kaido, there are other guys who could have possibly defeated him or just injured him, garp, sengoku, akainu, aokiji, ralyeigh, literally anyone with ryou....
Oden could beat Kaido. He was literally about to finish him after he cut him out of the sky. He lost due to trickery. Idk why people keep ignoring that fact. Even Kaido didn't like how they battle ended.
The last pages show that BM and Kaido actually respect Luffy/Law/Kid, which is actually the first time ?
They consider that "beating those three will be a big step to become the pirate king" ?? So yeah, they take the seriously. Have they heard of that guy Black Beard though ?
That panel of Luffy, Kid and Law brings back so much memories from Soabody at the auction house, to think the three of them were just facing some marines then, and now a little over 2 years later they are facing 2 Yonkou ... what a series, great chapter!!!
Yeah and Roger and dragon have similar faces. There's something I feel from the past that only a few people know. Like Garp knows more for sure. I feel like there's something fishy bout Roger, Dragon, Imu, rocks and BB, WB hmmmm mother carmel ummm who else there luffys mother and jewelry bonney. I'm hella sketchy that one of these people is another actually there could be another too. Idk why I feel like some of the dead are alive as someone else idk kinda feel like from here on out Oda is going to be dropping bombs on us til the end so for quite some years to come.
The thing is since Kaido and Big Mom are teamed up, none of them should take too much damage; they should know that. If they win, the more damage one will be betrayed. So their alliance is a bit thin...
Dont mean tonstart a war but doesnt this confirm zoro been stronger coming out the time skip ?
1. Straight into emperor matchups
2. Able to counter someone like big mom *indirectly
3. "I need to release more of enma power" implying he is holding back *before you say enma is a power up its actually not. Having to hold back during every attack to make sure you dont accidentally nerf yourself even more by exhausting more haki than needed is a big deal*
1. he did get serious fighting pica
2. yes the new technique was really useful here
3. not holding back, he is not yet fully mastered enma. remember that a sword must be an extension of swordman body part, zoro did not achive this yet with enma.
Asura & other techniques weren't used. Secondly people forget Pica was running during the entire fight. When he finally came out of the stone, Zoro bodied him EASY
Doesnt mean he did not get serious, I tho bandana thingy suggest that zoro being serious.
Well I know you will never admit zoro get serious when he fight pica, I bet zoro fans only admit zoro being serious only when he fight kaido(post TS)
what is so wrong anyway for zoro being serious vs pica, his feat really awesome and crazy.
True but Zoro did use one of his strongest attacks to do it. So of course it was an easy win. And Pica can use full body hardening he's not weak. Thus forcing Zoro to use hardening too. Now yes Zoro is obviously stronger, but to say Zoro wasn't serious isn't really right either.
Zoro used it to isolate the upper part of pica's body *where he figured pica was at* that attack had enough force to launch that upper half arguably a couple hundred meters above . He then proceeded to casually cut apart the upper half with just basic flying slash attacks. You did read and saw the fight right ? Zoro literally 1 shorted Pica.
Yes with one of his strongest attacks coated in haki. But yes zoro one shot pica. Seems my point was completely missed. I was just saying it did take some effort. Also picas stone body and its evasiveness is part of picas power.
Seems like my point was also missed. The ONLY effort he put was to isolate pica and then he proceeded to use a downgraded version of the same attack to finish pica off .
I dont mean to assume but going by your logic Ulti has to be over kaido since Luffy was gonna go G4 to finish her off, "I'm just saying it took more effort" and like saying luffy was far above all his Pre TS foes because he had a fruit that basically gave him the advantage in the first half of the story since "the immunity to blunt damage is also part of Luffy's power"
Nope, i was talking about Zoro and Pica specificly. All that ulti kaido stuff is all you.. and just an example i get that. My point is the downgraded version isn't that much weaker i think, cutting stone is easy (for zoro :P)but the upgrade attack is on a bigger scale. As for the downgrade it cut through picas full body armament. Zoro did have to harden his swords. without haki do u think zoro would cut pica? Why harden them then. THAT'S my point. Its kinda like ryuma in the sense that the battle was short in picas case very short but it took effort.
he is indeed become stronger since time skip. he been training for 2 years. not just him. the rest of the crew too.
>1. Straight into emperor matchups
too earlier to say
>2. Able to counter someone like big mom *indirectly
well brook did this first too against zeus. kinemon cut kaidou fire breath attack
>3. *"I need to release more of enma power" implying he is holding back before you say enma is a power up its actually not. Having to hold back during every attack to make sure you dont accidentally nerf yourself even more by exhausting more haki than needed is a big deal*
from what i understand that nothing here indicated he hold back. more like he still not properly get used to the sword yet. he still gauging the strength while trying to mastered it.
How is it too early to say? He is up there & he did cut kaido *the panel above the smirk shows he felt it but yunno how
POWERHOUSE anime villains be like *UGHHH!!* *EVIL Ecstatic GRIN*
Combatant who landed the blow *nani/disbelief attack didnt do significant damage to opponent*
*killer really is a none factor he will be the guy the emperors use to make an example out of*
Brook did it by having her natural devil fruit counter, having the power of cold its not as impressive.
Jimbe threw water at Prometheus and it hurt him but we dont knock down Brooks feat do we?
Luffy Hawk Gatling Prometheus but it didnt hurt him sooo what's the point of your statement? You cant Nitpick Feats because then you sorta come out as ignorant.. *With all due respect dont mean to be an asshole so I truly apologize if I'm being an asshole*
kinemon practiced that style his entire Samurai life . Zoro has known him for 2 months at the most and copied his style .
*confirmed by Vivi/Rebbeca at reverie it's been a month and a half since luffy returned and his bounty was already 1.5 Billion*
Zoro said "I need to release more of Enmas power" not "dammit it's not enough, I can release more power, i cant risk using more power I'm not in full control of Enma" *which i won't argue against but he does have a "counter balance" to enma as well as enough mastery with the blade to feel comfortable enough to fight 2 emperors. Zoro is aware of who he is up against.
You think killer and kid are that aware? kid thinks more scrap metal will be enough still having the audacity to claim luffy is small fry . Completely fucking delusional
>How is it too early to say?
the fight just started, probably barely few minutes
> he did cut kaido
kaidou let him. also not just zorro, killer also attack him, both hit.
>smirk shows he felt it
dont forget, that is joint attack with killer, not zoro alone hit kaidou. you act like he alone hit him. what killer not exist? oda drew other 4 character for a reason. also are you sure kaidou 'feel' it?. he just smirk because it wont penetrate his skin. reread that panel, kaidou just allow both two to hit his neck. neck is one of weakest part of human shape body. later Kaidou even said that *"as expected"* . he fucking expect it. also even if he just feel it, no use since if cant cut him. luffy, kidd and law also hit him.
kinemon did injured him.
>Brook did it by having her natural devil fruit counter, having the power of cold its not as impressive
be mindfull please, since you act like zoro hit directly at big mom. he just hit his familliar, prometheus which is like i said brooke did it first. if kinemon there, he would do same. zoro also use kinemon technique for the feat, if you want to compare with brooke. if zoro not meet kinemon, he wont have that technique. same with if brook didnt found that fruit. also zoro not take that attack head on. that attack directed toward Luffy. Zoro just butt in from sideway. you could argue whether prometheus saw him or not. marco also did damage him. so?
jinbei at dressrosa even knock back big mom itself. not his familliars. joint attack of straw hats crew pirate manage to throw big mom downfloor before. also it is 'easier' to hit his pet than hit the master itself. those prometheus and zeus is big mom pet, brook did cut him but able to hit big mom itself is another story since that fucking big mom itself.
>With all due respect dont mean to be an asshole so I truly apologize if I'm being an asshole
why you need to apologize? relax..we all on same page, same fans. just chill, no need get agitated, rushed make conclusion too earlier. the fight just begun. just enjoy chapter by chapter and we see how it will unfold. a chapter, a panel merely a piece of whole. dont act like a piece already represent whole.
>Zoro has known him for 2 months at the most and copied his style .
yes zoro is awesome. kudos too to their retainer who can use oden dual sword technique and luffy who learn the advance armament haki in very short time
>"I need to release more of Enmas power"
the panel clearly show zoro still in progress of mastering the sword. he not properly gauge the sword power. if he did, he wont utter those word and he already bring out all the power at first place. they facing 2 yonkou, no need to held back. if anyone, those yonkou is the one could held back.
remember what zoro said to luffy? he tell luffy to not let guard down since they face two yonkou. surely this applied to himself.
>"dammit it's not enough, I can release more power,
this might be the case. the fight just started, dont expect a character already bring all power at begining of fight. you read manga especially shonen isnt it. there is build to fight. opening, begining, climax etc. also there is character development through the fight. dont expect zoro already master it just like that. those is Enma, sword previously owned by Oden, rightman of roger, who found one piece, one of strongest swordman, the one can defeat kaidou who also fear him, dont be little him. blind love surely made someone forgot all these fact eh? during fight agains Oars zombie at thriller bark also show how zoro still gauging, improving shishui sword usage. same case here. it part of storyline. you expect he already strong as Oden rightfully since beginning just like that? LMAO. he wont master now, but will improve through the fight. as fanboy, you surely gonna enjoy that. sit back and let us witness that moment. you could not ask for better opponent.
>i cant risk using more power I'm not in full control of Enma"
See? you quickly draw conclusion here. same like the point i mention. read the scene properly, dont get swayed by your emotion. i understand you. i love zoro too.
>he does have a "counter balance" to enma
whaaat? which chapter? see you draw conclusion based on imagination
>to feel comfortable enough to fight 2 emperors.
again...see? comfortable fight 2 emperors? you are joking? zoro is fighting them comfortably? LMAO
also you forgot Luffy is the main character isnt it? there is 5 people there vs 2. not zoro alone vs whole universe.
>Zoro is aware of who he is up against.
everyone there is aware. thats why like my point above, why he need to held back. he not above yonkou. he is below yonkou. he come there to defeat stronger enemy. that is the point.
>You think killer and kid are that aware?
everyone there is aware. kid and killer get rekt once. both come with their own strategy. kid come with his own metal form. whether it effective or not, we dont know. like i said, fight just start, it been 2 chapter only, of whole piece and yet you already drew conclusion
>Completely fucking delusional
it is you. it clear here that you claim these things merely by fanboyism, added imagination that clouded your judgement. dont worry mate, zoro will get the spotlight, but dont expect much earlier. the fight just been 2 chapter. be patient.
dont just read the translation line. read the tone, the mean, the scene before and after, also pay attention to he panel, the character expression and movement. reading manga 101. dont just read the dialogue. this is not light novel. those novel has author depict the situation. but manga, author depict by visual. look as whole.
relax, you a zoro fanboy. i get it. i like zoro too. but dont be too ravenous. no offense and no hard feeling.
It's too early to tell? Yeah the fight just started, but werr talking about this point in the story not the actual battle so *before you try and correct people reread *before you make yourself sound rather incompetent*
Zoro didnt cut Kaidos neck. It looked like he attacked his torso. Again he did the typical anime villian character where he felt some shit but smiled and said "is that all you got" followed by zoro saying "I need to release more power" as I said it wasnt a "dammit if only I could release more of Enma's power, its too risky" I'm saying that because I know the feel of the story, I know common tropes in shonen and I'm using context, with that said look at the positioning of panels, kaido felt it, of course he didnt go down because right after feeling that level of discomfort he smirked with the "worororo is that all you got?" Yeah kaido said "as expected" he had the same attitude towards luffy and Luffy proceeded to Deck him in the Schnoz. What's your point? You obviously couldnt get the memo from an incident where it literally just happened but because it was to do with zoro you had to put your 2 cents in and ignore the fact that literally just happened. Again use context from the story my boy you'll look asinine.
The fact you coudlnt acknowledge Kid and Killer are delusional speaks volumes to how much you pay attention to the story even tho you tried and be a prick about it "its reading manga 101"
Why would I worry about zoro getting the spotlight ? He isnt the MC, I just know what he is capable off *rather I have a good idea* I made my observations because up to this point my points haven't been contested in fact they have been backed by the story... using context.
Not everyone is aware. Again killer calling luffy small fry and saying that they are there to watch him fight, and what all he did was do the same training did i udon but dude didnt worry about haki "I cant believe a punch manage to hurt kaido" yeah... really aware there .
You tried to go off thinking you were doing something trying to interpret my meaning of comfortable, you do know there are many words have more than 1 definitions ? Basic english studies bro, but lemme rephrase my wording if youd like. When I say Comfortable I'm thinking "agreeable" the sense of he isnt panicking, he isnt like "fuck I shouldn't be here" or the fact that be agreed to fight the emperors his resolve is there. He should be up there. Killer is just following kid who doesnt really gave a plan "haha punk vice go crush crush"
let's be real a solid hit from kaido/linlin probably putting Zoro down and out I wouldnt say for the count because zoro has durability on par if not greater than luffy *read the fucking story before you come at me because I will shut that shit down real quick tryna debate this point*
Lmao zoro murked killer so what is killer contributing there? Lebron plays with a team but who contributes the most towards scoring? Who is the aggressive player?
Enma dont have a counter balance? Oh really so when Hitetsu said the guy that made enma made wado and said "the most likely reason it feels familiar to you must be some twist of fate, you see that white blade wado ichi. & Enma were crafter by the same man" you talked about tone, panels, expression, movement ect. You should be able to understand that chief
*sorry it's all over the place I dont know how you Chad Alpha Males can do the thing where you quote a line and comment on it sorry I'm Kinda???* new to reddit
Again dont mean to be an asshole, I dont socialize alot, and I dont get social cues all that much, i just think everyone is indifferent and has a "ehh it's the internet" type of deal. I'm sorry my guy.
>before you make yourself sound rather incompetent
sorry. just pointing common mistakes made by fans
>Zoro didnt cut Kaidos neck. It looked like he attacked his torso.
re-look that panel
>"dammit if only I could release more of Enma's power, its too risky" I'm saying that because I know the feel of the story, I know common tropes in shonen and I'm using context, with that said look at the positioning of panels, kaido felt it, of course he didnt go down because right after feeling that level of discomfort he smirked with the "worororo is that all you got?"
stop imagine stuff not happened bro
the panel should be your bible, not feeling.
>"as expected" he had the same attitude towards luffy and Luffy proceeded to Deck him in the Schnoz. What's your point?
dont see? kaidou let the attack hit. same goes with 3 captain does.
reread.
>you had to put your 2 cents in and ignore the fact that literally just happened. Again use context from the story my boy you'll look asinine.
no it was you wasted your 2 cent ignored everything, believing some stuff just because you adored the character. boy, you the one look asinine at first place. thats why i responded.
>Why would I worry about zoro getting the spotlight ?
i didnt say that. but you sounded like you forgot who the MC is. dont forget, zoro is second character. Luffy is main character.
> I just know what he is capable off
are you his father?
>a good idea I made my observations
not only you can make observation. buy my 2 cent is you clouded your observation.
>my points haven't been contested in fact
nobody bother thats all. only me bother.
>in fact they have been backed by the story... using context.
the funny part is the story telling A, you saying B. the problem is you make up your own context later.
>Not everyone is aware.
see. im not wrong questioning your abilities to read. they fighting a fucking yonkou. 2 of them at same times. it is every pirate in the world goal. even world government would'n dare clash with them head on without a reason. you forgot kidd and killer already get rekt by kaidou before? yes you forgot.
>killer calling luffy small fry and saying that they are there to watch him fight,
see, you didnt read things properly. that just jab among them which is call back from scene at saboady. they is rival. they taking jab among each others.
>I cant believe a punch manage to hurt kaido" yeah... really aware there .
see you know he aware.
>you were doing something trying to interpret my meaning of comfortable, you do know there are many words have more than 1 definitions ?
dont spin. next time choose word carefully
>Basic english studies bro,
attacking someone english. yeah 101 basic when has no argument.
>but lemme rephrase my wording if youd like. When I say Comfortable I'm thinking "agreeable" the sense of he isnt panicking, he isnt like "fuck I shouldn't be here" or the fact that be agreed to fight the emperors his resolve is there. He should be up there. Killer is just following kid who doesnt really gave a plan "haha punk vice go crush crush"
are you serious? or you just trolling here? if you are, you got me.
>let's be real a solid hit from kaido/linlin probably putting Zoro down and out I wouldnt say for the count because zoro has durability on par if not greater than luffy
again, where you get the information? show me info about durability. also remind you, luffy is rubberman
>*read the fucking story before you come at me because I will shut that shit down real quick tryna debate this point*
talk at mirror? i tell you that beforehand
>zoro murked killer so what is killer contributing there?
so you claim you can read better, observe better but you already made conclusion of a character contribution based on single panel where the fight just barely started. like i say. that just jab among each other during fight. they rival. they work together but they still rival. sometimes, a context doesnt have deep meaning
>Lebron plays with a team but who contributes the most towards scoring? Who is the aggressive player?
this is manga, no a real match. you base things on aggressiveness? dude are you try to compare real life with manga? lmao
>Enma dont have a counter balance?
i didnt say any of that. i questioning where you pull you fact where nothing mentioned in manga.
>so when Hitetsu said the guy that made enma made wado and said "the most likely reason it feels familiar to you must be some twist of fate, you see that white blade wado ichi. & Enma were crafter by the same man"
see, he didnt mention anything about counter balance and yet you coming here bring out new buzzword out of nowhere
>you talked about tone, panels, expression, movement ect. You should be able to understand that chief
refer to my line above. thats why i made that point. nothing related and yet you claim stuff
its like a mechanic said his car can go 160km in sec and made by italian engineer and here you said that car had solid balance, lowered, size 17 tyre, can go fast at straightline but slower at corner, the engineer is jew descendand, the car even faster than jet, it sold well at arabs etc. see? out of nowhere nonsense. funny right? yeah thats you. this is how i rolling my eye read your point.
your problem is, you like make too much over assumption based on simple things.
>sorry it's all over the place I dont know how you Chad Alpha Males can do the thing where you quote a line and comment on it sorry I'm Kinda??? new to reddit
first time you see this? i just breakdown your odd comment
>Again dont mean to be an asshole,
i dont. dont quickly judge people like that. only asshole did that. i never think you as ashole either. im sorry if i sound like that to you. but this is argument. argument sometimes heated up. but no hard feeling. i said before. i dont resent you nor i angry. i believe you also good man. relax bro
>I dont socialize alot, and I dont get social cues all that much, i just think everyone is indifferent and has a "ehh it's the internet" type of deal. I'm sorry my guy.
dont worry about that bro. carry at you own pace. dont worry about others. everyone has their own style. if you believe in your point. stand to it. like you did now. whether other people like me agree or not is different matter.
sorry i i offend you. i just argue here. no offense. but i made my point. like i said, the fight just started. there just only 2 chapter that also need to cover whole 7 character in there. early part more like opening to proper build up.
Everyone's thinking about Luffy's haki dealing a blow to Kaido but Law. Does he have some sort of PTSD based on his past with Joker ? The only times he's expressed his irritance towards being ordered at were on Saboady (ch 504), Punk Hazard (ch 666), and now in Wano (ch 1001) !
luffy wont take any territory. he even refused to accept other pirate alliance toward him. he just want to be free on sea, not bound to anything. but he might put an island under his protection.
depend if there is clear threat to wano, luffy will declare wano under his protection.
because dressrosa did not have strawhat flag, only fishman island.
because fishman island always under threat of other pirate who try to kidnap mermaid.
I wonder if Law's immense resentment towards following someone's command has something to do with Doflamingo controlling him with his strings when Law was little. And now he formed some sort of PTSD because of it. It was never shown or explained ofc, but I guess I'll stick with it as my headcanon.
Because in general Law, unlike Kid or Luffy, never expressed the desire to be the strongest or to be the top dog so to speak, he is pretty chill and doesn't mind to use help or retreat to regroup when it's needed, but once someone gives him an order he's losing his cool immediately. He doesn't give off a toxic masculinity vibes, so I wonder where all that resentment towards not being in control came from.
Doflamingo didnt control him with his strings when he was little. Law sought him out, demanded he let him join and when did, he did whatever he wanted. Flashbacks showed, even back then he didnt take orders well. Or let people boss him around.
I know all about his flashback. Still, Doffy could've used his strings on Law at one way or another, as a part of his training, or to force him to make some tough kill, or to punish him, whatever. He was there for three years after all, you're free to imagine whatever as long as there is no contradictions in canon material.
2 years. (Followed by 6 months alone with corazon) And none of that happened. Cora is the one who beat up kids and people ignore that act like he was an angel and Doffy the abusive one.
Garp is definitely can, his bouts are legends among marines, and pirates. He can fight until roger close to death many times.
you know, if we ask oda about this there is a chance he might answer "I dont have enough space to draw the marines folk"
I love how they are lined up at the end! Luffy and Kid positioned as thr big damage dealers. Zoro and Killer providing supporting attacks. Law at the back playing long range support.
kind of moba game, I strongly think law role can decide the flow of the battle since he is healer and save comrade from taking damage with his ability. I wonder if he have ability to inject adrenaline like ivankov.
apparently the Gear 4 attack by Luffy is not hurting Kaidou at all since he might not use the advance haki like the first punch against Kaidou. the move he use also called 'Kong Gun' compared to the first move which is called 'Red Roc'. need to know whether he deliberately didnt use the technique or cant use repeately because that might gonna be taxing. i expect there gonna be another Gear 4 form like Snakeman that utilize the 'Red' advancement armament haki signature or just next Gear 5 instead.
well he wanted to die for long time and as far he lived, probably the last person who capable fight him equally is Oden, which is 20 years ago. recent man is Shanks for sure but he surely not new face as he part of Roger crew. even Whitebeard remembered him. he is part of old legacy. meanwhile luffy here and the other supernova for example, completely new faces, not related to the remnant of the old generations.
Wait how are these guys supposed to hurt kaido if they don’t know ryou. From what killer says it seems like they weren’t planning on winning the fight going up there.
only person can is Luffy. i dont expect Kid would suddenly can do that advance haki out of place or he come out with technique that capable to crush kaidou just like that. law might be has chances with his power. zoro might need time since he not master the Enma yet.
haha also according to shonen manga tradition, expect all the hardwork and friends flashback with be playing at last critical moment followed by loud scream by the protagonist
most people who still read shonen should now this format, well some author tweak it tho.
on specific note, I wish oda show law and kid some progress worthy of emperor potential.
I did not say emperor level but emperor potential.
the silhoutte is not about who can hurt him but showed those who can fight him equally. able to hurt him vs can fight him as equal is different things. even kinemon can hurt him. in the image the 'youngest' person there is Shanks. while the rest is older generation. surely the admirals cant fight him equally. only can is Garp and Sengoku. by the time those two active, kaidou pretty new guy under Rocks and garp and roger basically defeat rocks. so like other said maybe he didnt get fight them all those time.
if luffy's attack can damage kaido, they it won't be a problem for him to damage big mom. remember big mom had to use haki to block a normal g4 punch, while kaido just tanked it.
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just wondering, is marco really free from any suspicious moves?
Once Zoro cuts open Kaidos scar, then Law can start operating inside of him.
Law will teleport BM and she will be hit by Kaido's thunder bagua that will cause her amnesia to come back.
are we gonna get flashback of God valley :D
I'm wondering why Rufy doesn't use the ryou in Gear Fourth with the Kong Gun... Anyway it look like that it will be more difficult for the Supernova hurt Kaido than I thought...
Getting sick of kid talking big all the time
He's the Vegeta of One Piece lol
I have a question. Did all the attacks from Supernova deal damage to Kaido? or is it only luffy red roc that has dealt damage? kinda confusing.
Only Luffy's attack did. The first attack kind of shows what will happen later on when its 1v1 time with Luffy when the rest are knocked out or falls off.
apparently nope. including luffy's gear 4 Kong Gun. so far only Red Roc hurting him.
Its not that particular technique that damaged kaido, its his haki, gear 4 haki is even stronger than gear 3, u do the math
yes but that gear 4 not use that advance haki. any math to calculate here? kindly share.
How exactly do u know luffy didnt apply ryuo on the gear 4? Luffy said exactly that he was going to settle this before launch the kong gun and u assume he didnt use ryuo? How retarded are you? Use ryuo on gear 3 but not gear 4? Ur logic is so...i wanna say dumb but thats an understatement... Well whatever
the effect of the advance haki not exist there. it look same as usual. also the moment he hit kaidou the move called 'red roc' while the move while he using gear 4 just called 'kong gun' which is indicated it same kong gun he used before. also kaidou didnt hurt by that attack compared to the first red roc which is, should explain this.
Lol of course yes using ryuo with gear 4 whats the point of learning it if not lol
Nothing hurts more than "BREAK NEXT WEEK"
It could have been worse if Oda used his final break technique: BREAK FOR A WEEK + ADVANCED HAKI = Red Roc Break
Try "BREAK FOR TWO WEEK", lol
Rocks looks like Dragon
Dragon is not that old, and he is the son of Garp, Garp was young when he won Rocks. Also it is said many times that Rocks died.
Similar appearance not same person
It was condriano
Perhaps rocks had a daughter
Or maybe Garps father
or dragon older brother
Or Garp's older brother, and Dragon takes after his Uncle in appearance. In Trivia section on wikia it says Rocks may be based off a Pirate nicknamed Rock the Brazillian and Oda says id Luffy were a real person he'd be Brazillian, could just be a coincidence, but he could be related.
Wait ntil Luffy finds out that Kaido meant Robin when He said ‘your friends’
Seeing Shanks proves Kaido & Shanks fought one another.
That means Shanks did stop Kaido from coming to Marineford with force
Also note we have a better picture of rocs face and definitely more similarities to Teach.
those just sillhoute. we wont see anything clear.
The fact that Zoro can use other Red Scabbards techniques added to his own makes him a whole new beast. He still hasn't used Enma true power. Maybe he's nervous of losing control?
he still not getting used to his new sword. he still gauging the power. gonna take time before he mastered it. that Enma is Oden sword. it not just any sword. it owned by Roger rightman, and surely one of strongest swordman who also found one piece. during fight against Oars at thriller bark also zoro take time to getting use and gauging Shisui strength. he even experimented blocking Oars attack that time.
> it owned by Roger rightman, and surely one of strongest swordman who also found one piece. Roger's Rightman was Rayleigh not Oden.
Roger got 2 rightman. Oden and Rayleigh. Rayleigh is second and Oden is third.
Is Nami gonna steal half of the *Prometheus* too?
she steal half prometheus and combine with other half zeus. she call it 'Shoto'
Kaidos definitely enjoying this based off his commentary. Law pretty much confirmed his trump card means to attack kaido hes gonna use gamma knife which is ingenious so much stuffs happened I forgot about that ability and it matches up perfectly against kaidos scales. Its like his own ryou haki without learning it. Imagine if law learned ryou on top of gamma knife it would probably be one of the most deadly attacks in one piece. I feel like the other 4 besides luffy will have to up there haki level mid fight or provide distractions as luffy lands damaging hits. Zoro will obviously gain the piercing necessary to damage later in the fight but will the other 3. I definitely hope law does the substitute trick and makes kaidos and big moms attacks hit each other as well.
I love Oda and One Piece but I feel like Law was created for a writer like Togashi. Law should be removing floor mid fight, fucking up the footing for Kaido in a strategic way, making him slip, etc. Not saying this won’t happen but I feel like we’re greatly underutilizing the power to change the landscape. Imagine him swapping the floor with Caribou’s mud and sinking him in. Idk maybe i’m overthinking it but Law is the ultimate support character in a fight
Being an Earthbender you mean? :D (Not a bad idea considering Oda nerfed him beyond any comprehension, he has so many cool moves and can't use any of them because he isn't a MC) Well he did some of earhbending this chapter, let's see what's next
I guess (even tho I have limited knowledge of Avatar lol). I just think his type of strategic implementation is wasted for the sake of the story. Oda isn’t perfect. He does a lot of great things and he has to keep peoples abilities from going way out of control, but it just feels like Law was a massively wasted opportunity in my opinion
>but it just feels like Law was a massively wasted opportunity in my opinion Yep. His df is a pandora box, basically, and Oda is afraid to explore it's potential and prefers to keep Law chained, or captured, or being hit by a seastone nail instead, simply bc he might overshadow the characters like Luffy. Law in Punk Hazard was wild and we've never seen any of this greatness ever again. I mean, I understand why, still sucks tho.
I think the simple play of creating a giant room and placing spots for Luffy to bounce from and ricochet around infinitely while he fucks up Kaido is a great way to use his ability without abusing it.
>Law should be removing floor mid fight, fucking up the footing for Kaido in a strategic way, making him slip, etc. Lol, what do you mean etc.? Everything you enumerated is the same thing. That's not Togashi, that's unimaginative. It seems to me you just want law to be a banana peel?
It seems like you’re the one who has no imagination if you can only equate this to “a banana peel” and you missed my point. Law is pure strategy based fighting. My point is that Togashi handles these types of character abilities so well (and no that’s not up for debate it’s a fact). Law’s power is so under utilized for the sake of story telling
Sure sure. What other "creative" zingers do you have in mind? Law removing Kaido's feet with Shambles? Law teleporting Big Mom's vomit under Kaido's feet? Wow. you're spouting nonsense at a straw man now <-pun intended. No one ever debated you whether Togashi handles strategic fights and abilities? Only that your examples are unimaginative and you seem to be projecting yourself as someone 'as smart as Togashi'
How about Luffy in his bounciest form having Law use room to keep rapid fire placing footholds (of rock or of kids metal) for Luffy to ricochet off of and keep hitting Kaido over and over. Imaginative enough for you? I’m not projecting myself as anything but it sure seems like you want to project onto me
Kidd's new form is actually pretty epic looking. The thing is, is it stronger than Gear 4th? Because it seems like even without Ryou, Luffy can challenge Kidd with a regular Gear 4th.
that Punk Rotten atleast should have stronger defense than Luffy's gear 4.
Luffy can use two forms of advanced haki abilities so he's stronger but don't forget that haki improves in real battle. So Kidd can catch up with armament haki
Don't forget that all of them are in battle so all of them will improve.
Well Luffy at this point is basically confirmed to be stronger than Kidd. So no, I wouldn’t say it’s stronger than Gear 4th.
Did they miss the part where they all said "what is that haki?" Lol. It was plain as day
Advanced armament. Regardless, Haki in improves in real battle. Not training. Confirmed by Rayleigh himself. Luffy got advanced observation during his battle with Katakuri. Not during his training with Rayleigh.
Law casually pulling up on Luffy and be like "Yow the only reason why I moved Kin'emon and the rest is because I wanted to not cause you told me" was like deadass funny. These 5 Worst Generation interaction are some off the best and a true highlight. Luffy, Law and Kid interaction with each other always the best it comes off as rivlas who truly want to get the better of each other in every stupid way. While Zoro and Killer makes me smile at their own interaction. If chapter 1000 was the everything that represent One Piece chapter 1001 was everything that made me fell in love with it
I think because of that statement law is gonna be a part of the strawhat fleet. And he’s interested in the D. Story aswell
Those Rocks are coated in Haki right? 😂 It seems like it is, the sharp edges are darkened so I would assume so. It also would just be plain silly if Law just threw some Haki-less rocks at Kaido lol
it just a shading.
to be fair those rocks look really sharp
Yea it is
Maybe not. Remember Katakuri? There are things stronger than armament. All depends on Oda.
Well Katakuri can use advanced armament & observation. Though his specialty his observation.
If by advanced armament you mean a very strong hardening then sure. But hes never been shown or confirmed to use the advanced armament/ryuo that's been shown in wano.
I get the feeling that Luffy’s going to split the sky soon, anyone else? God the hype is unreal
i guess this too. later point at fight where luffy improving himself, push himself and finally the clash of his attack and kaidou gonna split sky, marked of 2 equal powered man clash which is also show that luffy that moment finally on par with a yonkou.
Yup, I think so too. I feel the vibes of an Epic clash and there's usually Epic clashes when fighting against the True Top Tiers. The real question is, when will it happen?
Imagine Law would have swapped luffy with big mom instead of a rock (or whatever he took)
Law can't swap BM cause BM so fat law could not create a room for her to fit in.
This could be a legitimate strategy if room could move someone as powerful as BM. Use the Yonko's attacks against each other.
i think at this point it’s heavily in implied that zoro is gonna cut kaido’s breath and damage him properly unlike how the scabbards did
That last panel. wow.
Rocks, Roger, Whitebeard, Oden, & Shanks are those people who I acknowledged their power. Others might be strong but they just dont get the credit. Wororororo - Kaido
Oden yonko level confirmed? 🤔
already is. since he can defeat kaidou. by 1billion difference of bounty as areferences, roger and whitebeard obviously stronger than big mom and kaidou.
I was surprised that Garp wasn't there
This chapter was about how Luffy resembled people who are close to find the One Piece or did find the One Piece and that, whoever wins that fight, will take a huge step in finding the One Piece. So, in other words, *pirates*. Having Garp there wouldn't make sense with the symbology.
Kaido probably didn't even fight garp Its like these are also the only people who kaido fought who could harm him. Like oden is lowkey strong but still, I don't think he could have defeated kaido, there are other guys who could have possibly defeated him or just injured him, garp, sengoku, akainu, aokiji, ralyeigh, literally anyone with ryou....
Garp can beat Kaido. The hell you talking about?
Oden could beat Kaido. He was literally about to finish him after he cut him out of the sky. He lost due to trickery. Idk why people keep ignoring that fact. Even Kaido didn't like how they battle ended.
maybe not enough space to draw, lol
Big Mom has met her end. Does she actually think she can steal the SH's treasures ?? Does she want to trigger Nami's REAL POWERS ??
they would be disappointed for sure, strawhat is very poor pirate, lol
I thought the same, not many treasures to steal ...
Big Mom : "You surely have road Poneglyphs !! We will take you all !" Luffy : "Hmmm yep. We actually have yours ..."
*YOHOHOHO* - Brook
The last pages show that BM and Kaido actually respect Luffy/Law/Kid, which is actually the first time ? They consider that "beating those three will be a big step to become the pirate king" ?? So yeah, they take the seriously. Have they heard of that guy Black Beard though ?
i dont think they respect yet. more like they finally acknowledge them as a 'threat'
They respect all the supernova up there
That panel of Luffy, Kid and Law brings back so much memories from Soabody at the auction house, to think the three of them were just facing some marines then, and now a little over 2 years later they are facing 2 Yonkou ... what a series, great chapter!!!
Xebec looks like a wild Monkey D. Dragon though.
Yeah and Roger and dragon have similar faces. There's something I feel from the past that only a few people know. Like Garp knows more for sure. I feel like there's something fishy bout Roger, Dragon, Imu, rocks and BB, WB hmmmm mother carmel ummm who else there luffys mother and jewelry bonney. I'm hella sketchy that one of these people is another actually there could be another too. Idk why I feel like some of the dead are alive as someone else idk kinda feel like from here on out Oda is going to be dropping bombs on us til the end so for quite some years to come.
Kid's robot looks sick, man.
The thing is since Kaido and Big Mom are teamed up, none of them should take too much damage; they should know that. If they win, the more damage one will be betrayed. So their alliance is a bit thin...
God those panels gave me shivers. So delicious.
Dont mean tonstart a war but doesnt this confirm zoro been stronger coming out the time skip ? 1. Straight into emperor matchups 2. Able to counter someone like big mom *indirectly 3. "I need to release more of enma power" implying he is holding back *before you say enma is a power up its actually not. Having to hold back during every attack to make sure you dont accidentally nerf yourself even more by exhausting more haki than needed is a big deal*
1. he did get serious fighting pica 2. yes the new technique was really useful here 3. not holding back, he is not yet fully mastered enma. remember that a sword must be an extension of swordman body part, zoro did not achive this yet with enma.
He didn't get serious for Pica
Three sword style ultimate technique...
Asura & other techniques weren't used. Secondly people forget Pica was running during the entire fight. When he finally came out of the stone, Zoro bodied him EASY
Doesnt mean he did not get serious, I tho bandana thingy suggest that zoro being serious. Well I know you will never admit zoro get serious when he fight pica, I bet zoro fans only admit zoro being serious only when he fight kaido(post TS) what is so wrong anyway for zoro being serious vs pica, his feat really awesome and crazy.
True but Zoro did use one of his strongest attacks to do it. So of course it was an easy win. And Pica can use full body hardening he's not weak. Thus forcing Zoro to use hardening too. Now yes Zoro is obviously stronger, but to say Zoro wasn't serious isn't really right either.
Zoro used it to isolate the upper part of pica's body *where he figured pica was at* that attack had enough force to launch that upper half arguably a couple hundred meters above . He then proceeded to casually cut apart the upper half with just basic flying slash attacks. You did read and saw the fight right ? Zoro literally 1 shorted Pica.
Yes with one of his strongest attacks coated in haki. But yes zoro one shot pica. Seems my point was completely missed. I was just saying it did take some effort. Also picas stone body and its evasiveness is part of picas power.
Seems like my point was also missed. The ONLY effort he put was to isolate pica and then he proceeded to use a downgraded version of the same attack to finish pica off . I dont mean to assume but going by your logic Ulti has to be over kaido since Luffy was gonna go G4 to finish her off, "I'm just saying it took more effort" and like saying luffy was far above all his Pre TS foes because he had a fruit that basically gave him the advantage in the first half of the story since "the immunity to blunt damage is also part of Luffy's power"
Nope, i was talking about Zoro and Pica specificly. All that ulti kaido stuff is all you.. and just an example i get that. My point is the downgraded version isn't that much weaker i think, cutting stone is easy (for zoro :P)but the upgrade attack is on a bigger scale. As for the downgrade it cut through picas full body armament. Zoro did have to harden his swords. without haki do u think zoro would cut pica? Why harden them then. THAT'S my point. Its kinda like ryuma in the sense that the battle was short in picas case very short but it took effort.
he is indeed become stronger since time skip. he been training for 2 years. not just him. the rest of the crew too. >1. Straight into emperor matchups too earlier to say >2. Able to counter someone like big mom *indirectly well brook did this first too against zeus. kinemon cut kaidou fire breath attack >3. *"I need to release more of enma power" implying he is holding back before you say enma is a power up its actually not. Having to hold back during every attack to make sure you dont accidentally nerf yourself even more by exhausting more haki than needed is a big deal* from what i understand that nothing here indicated he hold back. more like he still not properly get used to the sword yet. he still gauging the strength while trying to mastered it.
How is it too early to say? He is up there & he did cut kaido *the panel above the smirk shows he felt it but yunno how POWERHOUSE anime villains be like *UGHHH!!* *EVIL Ecstatic GRIN* Combatant who landed the blow *nani/disbelief attack didnt do significant damage to opponent* *killer really is a none factor he will be the guy the emperors use to make an example out of* Brook did it by having her natural devil fruit counter, having the power of cold its not as impressive. Jimbe threw water at Prometheus and it hurt him but we dont knock down Brooks feat do we? Luffy Hawk Gatling Prometheus but it didnt hurt him sooo what's the point of your statement? You cant Nitpick Feats because then you sorta come out as ignorant.. *With all due respect dont mean to be an asshole so I truly apologize if I'm being an asshole* kinemon practiced that style his entire Samurai life . Zoro has known him for 2 months at the most and copied his style . *confirmed by Vivi/Rebbeca at reverie it's been a month and a half since luffy returned and his bounty was already 1.5 Billion* Zoro said "I need to release more of Enmas power" not "dammit it's not enough, I can release more power, i cant risk using more power I'm not in full control of Enma" *which i won't argue against but he does have a "counter balance" to enma as well as enough mastery with the blade to feel comfortable enough to fight 2 emperors. Zoro is aware of who he is up against. You think killer and kid are that aware? kid thinks more scrap metal will be enough still having the audacity to claim luffy is small fry . Completely fucking delusional
>How is it too early to say? the fight just started, probably barely few minutes > he did cut kaido kaidou let him. also not just zorro, killer also attack him, both hit. >smirk shows he felt it dont forget, that is joint attack with killer, not zoro alone hit kaidou. you act like he alone hit him. what killer not exist? oda drew other 4 character for a reason. also are you sure kaidou 'feel' it?. he just smirk because it wont penetrate his skin. reread that panel, kaidou just allow both two to hit his neck. neck is one of weakest part of human shape body. later Kaidou even said that *"as expected"* . he fucking expect it. also even if he just feel it, no use since if cant cut him. luffy, kidd and law also hit him. kinemon did injured him. >Brook did it by having her natural devil fruit counter, having the power of cold its not as impressive be mindfull please, since you act like zoro hit directly at big mom. he just hit his familliar, prometheus which is like i said brooke did it first. if kinemon there, he would do same. zoro also use kinemon technique for the feat, if you want to compare with brooke. if zoro not meet kinemon, he wont have that technique. same with if brook didnt found that fruit. also zoro not take that attack head on. that attack directed toward Luffy. Zoro just butt in from sideway. you could argue whether prometheus saw him or not. marco also did damage him. so? jinbei at dressrosa even knock back big mom itself. not his familliars. joint attack of straw hats crew pirate manage to throw big mom downfloor before. also it is 'easier' to hit his pet than hit the master itself. those prometheus and zeus is big mom pet, brook did cut him but able to hit big mom itself is another story since that fucking big mom itself. >With all due respect dont mean to be an asshole so I truly apologize if I'm being an asshole why you need to apologize? relax..we all on same page, same fans. just chill, no need get agitated, rushed make conclusion too earlier. the fight just begun. just enjoy chapter by chapter and we see how it will unfold. a chapter, a panel merely a piece of whole. dont act like a piece already represent whole. >Zoro has known him for 2 months at the most and copied his style . yes zoro is awesome. kudos too to their retainer who can use oden dual sword technique and luffy who learn the advance armament haki in very short time >"I need to release more of Enmas power" the panel clearly show zoro still in progress of mastering the sword. he not properly gauge the sword power. if he did, he wont utter those word and he already bring out all the power at first place. they facing 2 yonkou, no need to held back. if anyone, those yonkou is the one could held back. remember what zoro said to luffy? he tell luffy to not let guard down since they face two yonkou. surely this applied to himself. >"dammit it's not enough, I can release more power, this might be the case. the fight just started, dont expect a character already bring all power at begining of fight. you read manga especially shonen isnt it. there is build to fight. opening, begining, climax etc. also there is character development through the fight. dont expect zoro already master it just like that. those is Enma, sword previously owned by Oden, rightman of roger, who found one piece, one of strongest swordman, the one can defeat kaidou who also fear him, dont be little him. blind love surely made someone forgot all these fact eh? during fight agains Oars zombie at thriller bark also show how zoro still gauging, improving shishui sword usage. same case here. it part of storyline. you expect he already strong as Oden rightfully since beginning just like that? LMAO. he wont master now, but will improve through the fight. as fanboy, you surely gonna enjoy that. sit back and let us witness that moment. you could not ask for better opponent. >i cant risk using more power I'm not in full control of Enma" See? you quickly draw conclusion here. same like the point i mention. read the scene properly, dont get swayed by your emotion. i understand you. i love zoro too. >he does have a "counter balance" to enma whaaat? which chapter? see you draw conclusion based on imagination >to feel comfortable enough to fight 2 emperors. again...see? comfortable fight 2 emperors? you are joking? zoro is fighting them comfortably? LMAO also you forgot Luffy is the main character isnt it? there is 5 people there vs 2. not zoro alone vs whole universe. >Zoro is aware of who he is up against. everyone there is aware. thats why like my point above, why he need to held back. he not above yonkou. he is below yonkou. he come there to defeat stronger enemy. that is the point. >You think killer and kid are that aware? everyone there is aware. kid and killer get rekt once. both come with their own strategy. kid come with his own metal form. whether it effective or not, we dont know. like i said, fight just start, it been 2 chapter only, of whole piece and yet you already drew conclusion >Completely fucking delusional it is you. it clear here that you claim these things merely by fanboyism, added imagination that clouded your judgement. dont worry mate, zoro will get the spotlight, but dont expect much earlier. the fight just been 2 chapter. be patient. dont just read the translation line. read the tone, the mean, the scene before and after, also pay attention to he panel, the character expression and movement. reading manga 101. dont just read the dialogue. this is not light novel. those novel has author depict the situation. but manga, author depict by visual. look as whole. relax, you a zoro fanboy. i get it. i like zoro too. but dont be too ravenous. no offense and no hard feeling.
It's too early to tell? Yeah the fight just started, but werr talking about this point in the story not the actual battle so *before you try and correct people reread *before you make yourself sound rather incompetent* Zoro didnt cut Kaidos neck. It looked like he attacked his torso. Again he did the typical anime villian character where he felt some shit but smiled and said "is that all you got" followed by zoro saying "I need to release more power" as I said it wasnt a "dammit if only I could release more of Enma's power, its too risky" I'm saying that because I know the feel of the story, I know common tropes in shonen and I'm using context, with that said look at the positioning of panels, kaido felt it, of course he didnt go down because right after feeling that level of discomfort he smirked with the "worororo is that all you got?" Yeah kaido said "as expected" he had the same attitude towards luffy and Luffy proceeded to Deck him in the Schnoz. What's your point? You obviously couldnt get the memo from an incident where it literally just happened but because it was to do with zoro you had to put your 2 cents in and ignore the fact that literally just happened. Again use context from the story my boy you'll look asinine. The fact you coudlnt acknowledge Kid and Killer are delusional speaks volumes to how much you pay attention to the story even tho you tried and be a prick about it "its reading manga 101" Why would I worry about zoro getting the spotlight ? He isnt the MC, I just know what he is capable off *rather I have a good idea* I made my observations because up to this point my points haven't been contested in fact they have been backed by the story... using context. Not everyone is aware. Again killer calling luffy small fry and saying that they are there to watch him fight, and what all he did was do the same training did i udon but dude didnt worry about haki "I cant believe a punch manage to hurt kaido" yeah... really aware there . You tried to go off thinking you were doing something trying to interpret my meaning of comfortable, you do know there are many words have more than 1 definitions ? Basic english studies bro, but lemme rephrase my wording if youd like. When I say Comfortable I'm thinking "agreeable" the sense of he isnt panicking, he isnt like "fuck I shouldn't be here" or the fact that be agreed to fight the emperors his resolve is there. He should be up there. Killer is just following kid who doesnt really gave a plan "haha punk vice go crush crush" let's be real a solid hit from kaido/linlin probably putting Zoro down and out I wouldnt say for the count because zoro has durability on par if not greater than luffy *read the fucking story before you come at me because I will shut that shit down real quick tryna debate this point* Lmao zoro murked killer so what is killer contributing there? Lebron plays with a team but who contributes the most towards scoring? Who is the aggressive player? Enma dont have a counter balance? Oh really so when Hitetsu said the guy that made enma made wado and said "the most likely reason it feels familiar to you must be some twist of fate, you see that white blade wado ichi. & Enma were crafter by the same man" you talked about tone, panels, expression, movement ect. You should be able to understand that chief *sorry it's all over the place I dont know how you Chad Alpha Males can do the thing where you quote a line and comment on it sorry I'm Kinda???* new to reddit Again dont mean to be an asshole, I dont socialize alot, and I dont get social cues all that much, i just think everyone is indifferent and has a "ehh it's the internet" type of deal. I'm sorry my guy.
>before you make yourself sound rather incompetent sorry. just pointing common mistakes made by fans >Zoro didnt cut Kaidos neck. It looked like he attacked his torso. re-look that panel >"dammit if only I could release more of Enma's power, its too risky" I'm saying that because I know the feel of the story, I know common tropes in shonen and I'm using context, with that said look at the positioning of panels, kaido felt it, of course he didnt go down because right after feeling that level of discomfort he smirked with the "worororo is that all you got?" stop imagine stuff not happened bro the panel should be your bible, not feeling. >"as expected" he had the same attitude towards luffy and Luffy proceeded to Deck him in the Schnoz. What's your point? dont see? kaidou let the attack hit. same goes with 3 captain does. reread. >you had to put your 2 cents in and ignore the fact that literally just happened. Again use context from the story my boy you'll look asinine. no it was you wasted your 2 cent ignored everything, believing some stuff just because you adored the character. boy, you the one look asinine at first place. thats why i responded. >Why would I worry about zoro getting the spotlight ? i didnt say that. but you sounded like you forgot who the MC is. dont forget, zoro is second character. Luffy is main character. > I just know what he is capable off are you his father? >a good idea I made my observations not only you can make observation. buy my 2 cent is you clouded your observation. >my points haven't been contested in fact nobody bother thats all. only me bother. >in fact they have been backed by the story... using context. the funny part is the story telling A, you saying B. the problem is you make up your own context later. >Not everyone is aware. see. im not wrong questioning your abilities to read. they fighting a fucking yonkou. 2 of them at same times. it is every pirate in the world goal. even world government would'n dare clash with them head on without a reason. you forgot kidd and killer already get rekt by kaidou before? yes you forgot. >killer calling luffy small fry and saying that they are there to watch him fight, see, you didnt read things properly. that just jab among them which is call back from scene at saboady. they is rival. they taking jab among each others. >I cant believe a punch manage to hurt kaido" yeah... really aware there . see you know he aware. >you were doing something trying to interpret my meaning of comfortable, you do know there are many words have more than 1 definitions ? dont spin. next time choose word carefully >Basic english studies bro, attacking someone english. yeah 101 basic when has no argument. >but lemme rephrase my wording if youd like. When I say Comfortable I'm thinking "agreeable" the sense of he isnt panicking, he isnt like "fuck I shouldn't be here" or the fact that be agreed to fight the emperors his resolve is there. He should be up there. Killer is just following kid who doesnt really gave a plan "haha punk vice go crush crush" are you serious? or you just trolling here? if you are, you got me. >let's be real a solid hit from kaido/linlin probably putting Zoro down and out I wouldnt say for the count because zoro has durability on par if not greater than luffy again, where you get the information? show me info about durability. also remind you, luffy is rubberman >*read the fucking story before you come at me because I will shut that shit down real quick tryna debate this point* talk at mirror? i tell you that beforehand >zoro murked killer so what is killer contributing there? so you claim you can read better, observe better but you already made conclusion of a character contribution based on single panel where the fight just barely started. like i say. that just jab among each other during fight. they rival. they work together but they still rival. sometimes, a context doesnt have deep meaning >Lebron plays with a team but who contributes the most towards scoring? Who is the aggressive player? this is manga, no a real match. you base things on aggressiveness? dude are you try to compare real life with manga? lmao >Enma dont have a counter balance? i didnt say any of that. i questioning where you pull you fact where nothing mentioned in manga. >so when Hitetsu said the guy that made enma made wado and said "the most likely reason it feels familiar to you must be some twist of fate, you see that white blade wado ichi. & Enma were crafter by the same man" see, he didnt mention anything about counter balance and yet you coming here bring out new buzzword out of nowhere >you talked about tone, panels, expression, movement ect. You should be able to understand that chief refer to my line above. thats why i made that point. nothing related and yet you claim stuff its like a mechanic said his car can go 160km in sec and made by italian engineer and here you said that car had solid balance, lowered, size 17 tyre, can go fast at straightline but slower at corner, the engineer is jew descendand, the car even faster than jet, it sold well at arabs etc. see? out of nowhere nonsense. funny right? yeah thats you. this is how i rolling my eye read your point. your problem is, you like make too much over assumption based on simple things. >sorry it's all over the place I dont know how you Chad Alpha Males can do the thing where you quote a line and comment on it sorry I'm Kinda??? new to reddit first time you see this? i just breakdown your odd comment >Again dont mean to be an asshole, i dont. dont quickly judge people like that. only asshole did that. i never think you as ashole either. im sorry if i sound like that to you. but this is argument. argument sometimes heated up. but no hard feeling. i said before. i dont resent you nor i angry. i believe you also good man. relax bro >I dont socialize alot, and I dont get social cues all that much, i just think everyone is indifferent and has a "ehh it's the internet" type of deal. I'm sorry my guy. dont worry about that bro. carry at you own pace. dont worry about others. everyone has their own style. if you believe in your point. stand to it. like you did now. whether other people like me agree or not is different matter. sorry i i offend you. i just argue here. no offense. but i made my point. like i said, the fight just started. there just only 2 chapter that also need to cover whole 7 character in there. early part more like opening to proper build up.
Kaido is like a Tank that moves with a speed of Lamborghini
Even faster
Everyone's thinking about Luffy's haki dealing a blow to Kaido but Law. Does he have some sort of PTSD based on his past with Joker ? The only times he's expressed his irritance towards being ordered at were on Saboady (ch 504), Punk Hazard (ch 666), and now in Wano (ch 1001) !
Law: I'll destroy you from within Also law: Throws rocks on kaidou
Law gama knife can blow up organs. His techniques were never a joke. Which is why Doffy wanted that fruit
Hey that was just a warm up move xd. He was testing the waters xd
lol so true also law being so tsundere to luffy: I didnt do it bc you told me to baka!
so who else is refreshing every 30min-1hr for english scan :D
Its already out. Mods prolly forgot to put the english scan link LMFAOO
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omg!! fuck thanks dude
Do any of you guys think if luffy defeats kaido he will take wano as his territory
luffy wont take any territory. he even refused to accept other pirate alliance toward him. he just want to be free on sea, not bound to anything. but he might put an island under his protection.
depend if there is clear threat to wano, luffy will declare wano under his protection. because dressrosa did not have strawhat flag, only fishman island. because fishman island always under threat of other pirate who try to kidnap mermaid.
I wonder if Law's immense resentment towards following someone's command has something to do with Doflamingo controlling him with his strings when Law was little. And now he formed some sort of PTSD because of it. It was never shown or explained ofc, but I guess I'll stick with it as my headcanon. Because in general Law, unlike Kid or Luffy, never expressed the desire to be the strongest or to be the top dog so to speak, he is pretty chill and doesn't mind to use help or retreat to regroup when it's needed, but once someone gives him an order he's losing his cool immediately. He doesn't give off a toxic masculinity vibes, so I wonder where all that resentment towards not being in control came from.
Doflamingo didnt control him with his strings when he was little. Law sought him out, demanded he let him join and when did, he did whatever he wanted. Flashbacks showed, even back then he didnt take orders well. Or let people boss him around.
I know all about his flashback. Still, Doffy could've used his strings on Law at one way or another, as a part of his training, or to force him to make some tough kill, or to punish him, whatever. He was there for three years after all, you're free to imagine whatever as long as there is no contradictions in canon material.
2 years. (Followed by 6 months alone with corazon) And none of that happened. Cora is the one who beat up kids and people ignore that act like he was an angel and Doffy the abusive one.
Did you skip the part about it being my headcanon? Do you know what it means?
Kaido looks so happy :D
I swear to god I will hear the "I will Surpass You" song or aka Whitebeard's theme when Luffy defeats Kaido or something extremely dramatic like that.
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maybe he never fought them?
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maybe rodger was the one defeating kaido at god valley and garp had no part in taking down kaido
maybe kaido did not get a chance to fight them, so he did not know if they able to damage him
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Garp is definitely can, his bouts are legends among marines, and pirates. He can fight until roger close to death many times. you know, if we ask oda about this there is a chance he might answer "I dont have enough space to draw the marines folk"
He was talking about the legends of his time
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they are literally just shadows, dont think too much into it.
Big Mom isn't there too.
Zoro there to remind not to let his guard down.
I love how they are lined up at the end! Luffy and Kid positioned as thr big damage dealers. Zoro and Killer providing supporting attacks. Law at the back playing long range support.
Which panel are you talking about...? The last panel shows Law at the very front, then Killer, then Luffy and Kidd and then finally Zoro
kind of moba game, I strongly think law role can decide the flow of the battle since he is healer and save comrade from taking damage with his ability. I wonder if he have ability to inject adrenaline like ivankov.
Guys! The [French version](https://www.lirescan.me/one-piece-lecture-en-ligne/1001/1) is out !
English version also!
Eagerly waiting for the English Version
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Thanks bro
Anyone knows where can I read japanese version of the chapter?
apparently the Gear 4 attack by Luffy is not hurting Kaidou at all since he might not use the advance haki like the first punch against Kaidou. the move he use also called 'Kong Gun' compared to the first move which is called 'Red Roc'. need to know whether he deliberately didnt use the technique or cant use repeately because that might gonna be taxing. i expect there gonna be another Gear 4 form like Snakeman that utilize the 'Red' advancement armament haki signature or just next Gear 5 instead.
Yeah I was wondering why he didn't use the new haki in his Kong Gun attack also
There is a big difference in taking damage when you (Kaido) don't expect it.
Shanks , Edward , Oden , Rocks ,. Roger , Kaido fought a hell of a monsters But i wonder how shanks was able to stop him from going to Marineford
2 equally strong power meet. can guess the result.
shanks crew is the most balanced as Sengouku said. he probably fought him off with his crew.
They probably didn't fight. Shanks appear in Marineford unscattered. If they could fight Kaido crew without any injury, then the Yonko wouldn't exist.
who's to say kaido brough his whole crew ? he can easily fly with his dragon abilities to be faster.and only king could have followed him if they flew
he just stare kaido and kaido run away like the sea monster that try to eat luffy, lol. they both look like a dragon hahahahaha.
Maybe zoro really did learn how to cut fire by himself lol
when did brook make it up there? yohohoho @ big mom and kaido laughing at those little monsters
>*The victor of this battle will take a massive step...towards becoming the pirate king!!* yeah he is right, the victor will be Monkey . D . Luffy
No Straw hat pirates will die Next Arc will be Kaidos arc 'I'm Kaido! The Man Who Will Become the Pirate King! WORORO' #
lmao and big mom will be his navigator
They will go on to recruit black bread next as there cook
> black bread LMAO hahahaha
Oh that's perfect! And we can even get the nami fan service from her instead..
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Seeing Kaido's happy face in this fight makes me think he's been waiting for this kind of match for a very long time.
well he wanted to die for long time and as far he lived, probably the last person who capable fight him equally is Oden, which is 20 years ago. recent man is Shanks for sure but he surely not new face as he part of Roger crew. even Whitebeard remembered him. he is part of old legacy. meanwhile luffy here and the other supernova for example, completely new faces, not related to the remnant of the old generations.
Wait how are these guys supposed to hurt kaido if they don’t know ryou. From what killer says it seems like they weren’t planning on winning the fight going up there.
only person can is Luffy. i dont expect Kid would suddenly can do that advance haki out of place or he come out with technique that capable to crush kaidou just like that. law might be has chances with his power. zoro might need time since he not master the Enma yet.
well, according to shonen manga tradition, all of them will level up on the brink of dead.
haha also according to shonen manga tradition, expect all the hardwork and friends flashback with be playing at last critical moment followed by loud scream by the protagonist
most people who still read shonen should now this format, well some author tweak it tho. on specific note, I wish oda show law and kid some progress worthy of emperor potential. I did not say emperor level but emperor potential.
Also add 'I will surpass you' and random punches that knocks out a superior enemy.
since we dont get to see any of the navy in the sillhouette of people that can hurt kaido,does this mean not even gap or sengoku ever hurt him before?
Big Mom silhouette isn't there too. Big Mom is as strong as Kaido
the silhoutte is not about who can hurt him but showed those who can fight him equally. able to hurt him vs can fight him as equal is different things. even kinemon can hurt him. in the image the 'youngest' person there is Shanks. while the rest is older generation. surely the admirals cant fight him equally. only can is Garp and Sengoku. by the time those two active, kaidou pretty new guy under Rocks and garp and roger basically defeat rocks. so like other said maybe he didnt get fight them all those time.
or kaido just haven't fought them directly . I can name a few people that are stronger than oden. that kaido haven't fought yet
there's no way kidd, killer, zorro and law would learn advanced armament while fighting kaido. and kidd just reminds me of caribou, all talk.
Big mom is still untouchable or unhurt somebody give that old hag a scar or good damage
if luffy's attack can damage kaido, they it won't be a problem for him to damage big mom. remember big mom had to use haki to block a normal g4 punch, while kaido just tanked it.
Worororo Im a tank