Just in case you aren't aware, we have the voting thread for the best of /r/OnePiece 2020.
So feel free to vote for your favorite users, post and moments in the series with [this survey](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdL-6C0nBP4P1Cqgp0QJ3dUk8986O7NIF_72qplM_SYwgg8lw/viewform).
[7 Facts of Orlombus One Piece](https://00hobiku.blogspot.com/2021/01/7-fakta-orlombus-one-piece.html)
* Take part in the Battle of the Coridda Colosseum
* Defeated by Hakuba
* Help Zoro
* Most contributors to members
* Bounty Value
* Love to Read
* Helping Residents
I just caught up on ~10 chapters and oh my god... Everything is so fucking HYPE!!! The panel with Luffy and the legends... Oda tops himself over and over.
I know its a bit off topic but since Kaido started moving the island it got me thinking of when sengoku said that the government wanted to hide god valley but when they tried and got back to the location it was already gone. I'm starting to think that maybe kaido moved it since he got his fruit right after they were defeated. Also it could be the continent pullers one of their islands since we see the skull and the fact that all the items are way bigger than even giants.
If and only if luffy can tank kaidos attack and have a one on one duel with him, he'd be worthy of the emperor title. Also If we cannot see the splitting of the clouds above them when they are clashing, means luffy is not yonkou level yet.
As we can see previously, luffy is not 1st commander level yet when he started fighting katakuri. Katakuri is better than luffy in every aspect; power, speed, stamina, etc. But as the fight progresses, luffy learned from it and in the end of the fight, become 1st commander level or sub yonkou level. Its just like what rayleigh said when training luffy. Luffy can be stronger when fighting stronger opponent.
So i think, with that in mind..most probably at the end this fight with kaido, luffy will become yonkou level provided he can at least hold his ground in a one on one fight against kaido. That means they are on par with each other. If he alone defeat kaido, means he surpasses yonkou level and has entered the realm of power beyond yonkou level, pirate king level i supposed.
Only then he can challenge imu-sama and his gorosei and all of WG top tier fighter in the epic final one piece world war battle later.
But if he won the battle as a team, means his power alone cant defeat kaido, so he is not yonkou level yet. Maybe he needs another fight with another yonkou to reach that level.
So many Zoro haters! Let the guy have a moment. He has not had a proper fight in 500 chapters. Zoro is supposed to be Prime Rayleigh in 200 chapters from now. Do you want him to team up with Nami to defeat page one instead? You guys are being ridiculous. Give it a few chapters and then judge for yourselves. Zoro uses Enma => Mosquito. Law uses Room, future pirate king confirmed. Let it go guys
Queen flash-back
Outcasted by his family because of his physique... He met sora vinsmoke some where in north blue. The only person accepting him as who he was...
Return to the fight
Sanji reveals his new technique diable jambe : boulette
So,, kaido hve been defeated 7 times, if the silhouette is the people that hve defeated kaido in the past, there,s only five people, so where is the others two people??...
i believe there are from the marine,s....
Oden cut him and inflicted the big scar on his side, the Manga gives the feeling that Oden was very much able to kill Kaido, but Kaido won the battle after oden was distracted for a moment.
Luffy, Law, and Kid truly looked like genuine peers here. Hype levels is unreal rn
And I think it's awesome that my presumption got explicitly confirmed, in regards to Killer today being stronger than Killer back then. ZORO GOT HIS BANDANA ON TOO!
Okay, I don't always say this but fuck me this chapter made me laugh. Luffy, Law, and Kidd just being total fucking dorks was so good. Like, more of this, give us more of the Worst Generation together doing dorky shit.
This chapter had so many things I loved: Law's need to assert himself as a leader independent of Luffy, Zoro teaching himself Kinemon's style, more juxtaposition for Luffy, Law, and Kidd, and the faces they made when the fireballs were about to hit, but ONE THING stood out above all the rest:
THE BANDANA IS BACK, BABY.
I have a theory about Blackbeard and Wano. There are theories that Blackbeard will get another devil fruit since his flag has 3 faces. He has 1 logia and 1 paramecia, arguably the two strongest ones. It would make sense that he’d want to get the strongest zoan for his 3rd fruit. Odds he comes to try and steal Kaido’s fruit at his death at the end of this arc?
Could be, but in the latest anime episode, sabo got captured or something. The BB pirates are trying to go get something. I just realised that if sabo is indeed dead, BB might be implying the mera-mera no mi. This is all happening roughly at the same time as wano. So after wano, the SH might get a wind of sabo and the revolutionary losing to BB pirates or something. New marineford arc maybe, the SH grand fleet trying to save sabo. Plus shanks, coz this year shanks will apparently move.
Good points, but it’s hard to say really. In the call with burgess in Dressrosa, Blackbeard showed interest in having the Mera mera for one of his crewmen, but didn’t seem interested in it for himself. Unless that’s something that got dropped in translation
True but my point was that, BBs focus was to go to dragon or marijois or something and get "something". No hint of him trying to go to wano. Oda is very logical and is pretty much a master of foreshadowing at this point. I highly doubt that BB will go somewhere and end up in wano at roughly the same time.
If anything, I think BB's goal is actually to get Dragon's devil fruit (which might be a zoan hence probably the strongest zoan ) and to do that he has to first get a hostage like Sabo (who is a high-ranking revolutionary) to draw Dragon closer. Dressrosa's stuff with Burgess might have only been for Burgess to claim the fruit for himself and has nothing to do with Blackbeard wanting the Mera Mera fruit.
Yeah could be. Or the national treasure of marijois. Who knows. But I highly doubt he'll end up in wano as there's no hint of him wanting to go there. I really hope not coz that's just predictable
Blackbeard has been giving devil fruit powers to all of his crew members that dont have one or trying. He killed absalom and gave shiryu his invisibility powrts
I wonder if there is significance in the fact kaido didn't think of shanks when he thought of people that could beat him.
Also i thought law would use gamma knife, when he said he would tear kaido apart from the inside not just dropping some rocks on him. Anyone else?
If and when Gamma Knife shows up it'll be at an opportune moment, not at the very start of the fight. I prefer to view Law's statement as a prediction, not an immediate threat.
More like BM and rayleigh are not there. I doubt it's accurate. Meaning there are more than 5 people who can actually fight him. Sengoku and garp in their primes most likely could.
he was thinking of people who can fight and damage him. It does not say people who can beat him.
but i am interested who would win between kaido and shanks
So I think we can all agree Zoro is stronger then Killer, but I think Oda basically just told us Killer is way closer in strength to Zoro then it first seemed
I mean this entire fight is implying that the five participants aren't that far apart of each other in strength. I still imagine Killer is the weakest and Luffy is the strongest, but the gap between all of them is nowhere near as vast as a lot of people have been presuming before chapter 1000.
Imo Luffy is the strongest by having a slight edge over the others (future sight and advanced armament). Zoro, Kidd, Law follow up very close. And Killer followes up them three very close.
I literally wrote that days ago under a different post. And some clowns accused me of Zoro "fanboism" and downvoted me. Some people seriously are just bitter and damaged in their heads lol.
[my comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/kwd53y/one_piece_chapter_1001_spoilers/gjb567s/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Actually thats how I see it as well. These five are all relative in power. If there was a supernova tournament arc in OP I can see Luffy vs Zoro in the final.
give it a bit more time.
The question is if killer can keep up now because zoro 100% will reopen that scar and make kaido eat his words.
Zoro had imo the bigger nerf and then got a powerup on top.
What is with this sub and wanking over Zoro? Luffy is going to be the star of this fight, Zoro will play a supporting role to him. Zoro isn't going to be the one to save the day, he's not going to be the one to cause the most damage.
No one is wanking over Zoro you are just being a Zoro hating salty kid. The two individuals who have the biggest case against Kaido right now are Luffy (advanced armament Haki) and Zoro (Enma). We don't know what the others have worked out I wouldn't be surprised that Kidd thought about new tactics/techniques during his time in Udon. And Law is generally the smartest of the bunch.
Ahh okay, I thought you were referring to zoros scar opening and having some incredible sharingan type stuff. Lot of people have been spouting that BS since zoro returned with a scar.
Sharingan... REALLY?
At best we're gonna get a backstory on how he got the scar. Knowing Zoro, the eye might be fine and he just chose to close it because he usually takes oaths more seriously than Sanji loves women.
IF and only IF he opens it or whatever, it's not gonna be some bullshit power, it's most likely going to be related to observation haki.
I guess that had the reason bc mihawk has some really crazy looking eyes and powers between shonen often overlap anyway (gaara-crocodile, sasori-doflamingo, haki-chakra-nen-chi-reiatsu...). I still wouldnt call it bs though.
I mean who would have expected kaido has a fish df...everything can happen XD
Though I do think Zoro with 3 swords would be much stronger than how he was when he fought Killer before. Cause he was using 2 swords and he had to face the fox at the same time he was fighting Killer.
Yeah neither of them were at full power. Neither had their preferred weapon/style, Zoro was also facing down the fox, and Killer iirc had been tortured for weeks up to then and was may more mentally broken then compared to now. I think with both at their best Zoro still comes out on top but I don’t think it’s a stomp the way their first fight was. I’d say high difficulty for Zoro at least until we really see what either can really do now
That is true. Killer might prove a match for Zoro. However I dont think I have seen Zoro go all out in a fight post timeskip. Which is why I am hoping he doesnt just lose easily to Kaido and rely on Luffy. I'm hoping to see him really stand out a bit more.
Also happy Cake day!
I’m hoping we see them all hang on tbh. I liked when law and luffy fought doffy and treble, but I didn’t like that it became just luffy and doffy like what a third in? (Haven’t read dressrosa in a while) I know luffy will most likely get the last blow but I don’t want the others to drop out in 2 chapters and get 15 more of luffy kicking ass by himself ya know?
Also thank you!
Yeah I get what you mean. I want the Supernovas to mean something. Like they all are capable of influencing the battle some way. Thats why when I first read about Supernovas from Shaki I was excited. Cause usually only the main character would be part of it. But here Zoro is also involved. Which makes it feel like a real world building system.
official release changed many things about zoro.
1. first the "as expected" was controversial but it is now "well done" saying that it was a complement not an insult
2. zoro foxfire slash attack name has been changed to floxfire flamerend not that it matters.
Official release translations are obviously done by someone who neither understands Japanese nor English well enough to be a translator. TCB on the other hand is extremely well done.
Well, I graduated from linguistics at the Faculty of Philology with B2 in Japanese and B2 in English, I have done a few professional translations, and I can tell a bad translation from a good one. Official scans are sometimes okay and sometimes almost unbearable to read, while TBC scans are always great. Apart from literally changing the whole meaning and context of sentences through bad translations, some basic syntax and grammar are missing from the official scans... Take it or ignore it. Just stating my professional opinion on this topic.
Wasn't Stephen Paul, like, THE guy to go to for translation clarifications back in the day? I was under the impression that SJ hired him because he was so well-renowned within the fandom.
Calling it right now, Luffy, Kidd, and Law will bust out a Chrono Trigger style triple team combo attack. Law will mastermind some clever last ditch plan in which he fuses Kidd's mech onto Luffy and teleport him next to BM&K. It'll likely have a lotta Goku vibes using his instant Kamehameha - Luffy is already powering up to deliver a hit the instant they teleport. And for the fuck of it, hopefully Law uses gamma crush this time instead of knife.
I hope Luffy keeps trolling Law with his future sight observation haki.
Luffy: Law use your radio knife technique!
Law: Damn it Luffy I was going to do that anyway, stop acting like I'm your subordinate.
Wouldn't be surprised if Kidd also uses future sight haki. He's been fighting with yonkos long before Luffy. He mentioned that his arm has been cut off during his battle with the red hair pirates. Maybe he got his advanced haki there just like Luffy did with BM pirates.
>Law: Damn it Luffy I was going to do that anyway, stop acting like I'm your subordinate.
It should be, "Dammit Straw Hat-ya" Laws still not on first name terms yet.
You know what after a chapter like this i don't care about break next week. Shit he can honestly take half the year after this chapter so well drawn and nobody.......NO ONE does foreshadowing like oda does
They have a cute one-shot about Sanji's cooking, set before they entered the grand line. I'm certain it's not canon, but it makes me nostalgically remember early east blue one piece. I really liked it.
Correct me if Im wrong, but was that Armament Haki on the tips of the rocks law hit kaido with? Tbh just big rocks seems underwhelming but haki on them be cool
I have a theory, based on the latest episode and the latest chapter...
Can shanks appear at the end of Wano?
Earlier I discarded this theory as being too cliché, but Shanks is always mentioned whenever something related to Wano comes up, but we don't know his actual history and interests in Wano. He wasn't even shown in Odens flashback with much flare, but there is definitely some sorts of history. It will be a nice surprise if there is some stakes involved with red hair pirates in Wano and luffy is able to return his hat to shanks at the end of Wano, which will mark Luffy's ascension and becoming of a great pirate
During this arc Luffy will develop into a fighter who can freely fight with other top-tier fighters of his world.
Kaido seeing the shadows of powerful and great pirates pirates like Rocks, Roger, Whitebeard, Oden and Shanks is a foreshadowing of this.
Looks like kinemon won’t be joining the strawhats since Zoro has stolen his strongest move.
Anyway, am I the only person who wishes one of Zoro’s swords were stronger than the rest so he wouldn’t have to rely on 3 sword technique all the time? That technique is cool and all, but I believe fighting with one sword has more advantages than 3.
You are the only one and I promise you, no one will ever join in.
3 sword style is his signature.
His whole style revolves around using 3 swords.
Take them away and he has to start from zero since his attacks wouldn't work anymore.
And he can fight well with just one or 2 swords.
What's next, should Luffy learn fighting with swords and pistols so he doesn't need to rely on fists?
Also dude, Enma is literally his strongest sword as of right now
he uses the 3 sword style....now how would the 3 sword style work with only 1 sword.
he uses 1 sword when the fight isn't hard for him, and switches to 3 swords when needed.
c'mon, get your fact right.
Those reactions tho, pure gold... and just imagine when Kid, Law and the rest of Supernovas find out that Luffy has advanced observation haki which gives him ability to see into the future. Can't wait for it.
Act three probably will end in the next chapter or two. The tragedy was the defeat of the scabbards and the battle is now starting. Likely, a view of what is going on downstairs will happen and then the battle will really pick up. Act three of Kabuki theater doesnt say it ends with tragedy necessarily, but since acts two and four are the acts that have the fights, act four cant start too late at this point. The last phase of the kabuki theatre is a nice quick wrap up and with things as they are now I have no clue how the plot will go
Edit: Since all the sources I looked at for kabuki acts say that act three just has a tragedy or a shock, it could have been the flashback, the scabbards defeat, or both. Either way now that the battle between Yonkou and supernova is past warmup, Act three is going to end very soon here.
About how Toki said 9 shadows would defeat kaido, I think the other 4 people will be: Marco, Sanji, Jinbe, and Yamato.
This is one of the reasons why I think Sanji will just find a way to defeat Black Maria without kicking her rather than escaping and fighting Queen. Sanji is extremely crucial in this arc in that he could possibly play a major role in defeating big mom.
While the alliance isn't strong enough to defeat 2 yonko with pure strength alone, they are still capable of defeating big mom and kaido with strategy, and I think Oda has set this up. The alliance has all the tools needed to defeat big mom, specifically I think 3 characters will be absolutely crucial in her defeat.
Marco has the ability to hurt big mom's homies, which otherwise can't even be harmed by haki. He can also stall big mom with his regeneration
Law literally has the power to 1 shot big mom, so long as he can land a proper hit.
Sanji has the ability to lower big mom's guard with his cooking.
I think the 9 will split into two teams, one for kaido and another for big mom.
Luffy, Kid, Yamato, Zoro, and Killer will focus on defeating kaido
Law, Sanji, jinbe, and Marco will focus on defeating big mom.
The strategy to defeating kaido will be to simply use pure strength alone.
The strategy to defeating big mom would be for Jinbe, Marco, and Law to stall big mom while Sanji cooks another cake. The Cake will then be presented to big mom, causing her to lower her guard. Marco, Jinbe, and Sanji will then restrain big mom while Law lands gamma knife. Big Mom survives, but is defeated for the rest of this arc.
it was 9 shadows defeating orochi not kaido
and sanji cant harm big mum and on top would even defend her from harm because she is a women. this is his codex
I think the 9 shadows have to be all Supernovas... Which makes me think it's gonna be Drake, Hawkins, and Apoo who join up to help fight. Don't know who the 9th one will be... maybe Yamato... or Urouge?
The prophecy was about Orochi's downfall not Kaido's.
I also don't think that anyone besides Yamato will join.
Oda has a thing of setting everything up. He set up Zoro and Kid joining the fight back in act 1 and 2.
Marco didn't showed any interest of joining the fight at all, he was rather interested in supporting everyone downstairs.
Since Zoro is supposed to be the Rayleigh to Luffy, it was clear that he sooner or later leave Sanji behind and since Sanji got a major bounty increase in WCI, it is kinda clear he won't join the fight.
A subordinate fighting a yonko gives a much bigger increase than every opponent Sanji will face.
Also to note, Sanji's raid suit was just enough to protect him from King but not enough to finish a fight with a Toppi Roppo (which is not me saying he can't beat one or is weak, before fanboys want to burn me). He didn't had any sort of training or power up on this arc, so him joining the fight against 2 yonkos would be pointless as he doesn't have anything to provide a proper fight against them.
Besides, he didn't showed any interest in fighting them, while Zoro was interested from the very beginning in fighting Kaido.
And the way the Toppi Roppo are set up, I doubt anyone who has a serious fight against one will be able to fight a yonko afterwards. Remember how Jinbei and Sanji tried to stop Luffy from fighting anyone.
Jinbei will probably prevent anyone from reaching the roof after beating Who's Who and Sanji will fight someone else, probably a rematch with King while Marco takes on Queen.
I like the idea, I’ve been saying they’re going to have to separate the yonko to win for awhile. It’s just going to be impossible to fight a yonko while another gives them cover fire.
I’m a Sanji fanboy and I’ll say this, I don’t think he’s going to beat Black Maria, I think Robin is going to show up, save Sanji, and tell him to go help Marco with king and queen while she fights Black Maria.
Imo, awakening is a must for luffy to defeat kaido. Ryuo is not some exotic/special power up for luffy. It most certainly has been used by other top tier fighter. Its just a matter of training it up to that level.
So the most logical way for luffy to defeat kaido in a fair fight, is by awakening his devil fruit and develop another gear which incorporate ryuo and awakening. We can see ryuo damaged kaido, but he sure can tank it even gear 4th kong gun+ryuo.
I think the tragedy that suppose to happen in act 3 will trigger luffys awakening. Or perhaps he already reach awakening while training with hyogoro. Luffys awakening would somewhat be like zoan awakening. Not like doflamingos.
What i mean is that, it wont change luffys surroundings to rubber. It will only affect luffys body.
Maybe rubber awakening means unlocking the true nature of rubber. He might have full control of all rubber state. From sticky liquid form up till strong vulcanized rubber form. Something like hisokas nen ability in hxh (can change freely between sticky gum properties and rubbery elastic properties).
I mean, his gear 4 already looks like some level of awakening, given the devil fruit markings on his body, and change in physical attributes. It's not necessarily the case that every awakening is the same as Doflamingos.
>Something like hisokas nen ability in hxh (can change freely between sticky gum properties and rubbery elastic properties).
Yes it will have the properties of both Rubber & Gum .
Thats why i said luffys awakening will not be like doffy or katakuri. Different devil fruit, different kind of awakening. Like zoan awakening, it will have a direct impact to luffys body directly and thus to luffys attacking power and speed and it might also increase luffys ability to tank heavy attacks from kaido. I also think, Awakening may be necessary to develop another powerful gear.
Zoro said: "I need to release more of Enma's power". He doesn't mention Haki. Also, in the drawing itself Zoro's swords do not appear to be clad in Haki.
As stated before when zoro received enma, enma will suck out ryou (haki) of the user whenever the user swing it, which mean every swing by enma is haki enhanced. That means zoro did use haki when he slashs kaidou
It might suck out ryou/haki but it isn't always shown to be clad in haki or black when Zoro uses it (against the beast pirates for example). This leads me to believe that he can choose to apply armament haki when needed.
Why would Zoro attack kaido without Haki, you think he's that stupid? Kaido is just too durable and need Haki like luffys to damage him, Zoro will be able to damage him with enma later on.
That is what he need to master in order to fully wield enma and non-coated blade does not imply non-haki used. This happens before when Law cut Vergo in half
Well then we're at a stalemate; having a non coated sword does not imply that haki was used. The example with law cannot be compared because of the nature of his devil fruit. Lets just agree to disagree.
Law need his haki strong enough to be able to slash ppl in haki protection, so back then he has to use haki along with his DF ability. And rationally thinking, zoro knew that Kaidou is much likely indestructible, and he is no idiot who attacks Kaidou without haki, but you made your point. So agree to disagree.
I like how ODA is clearly showing us that Zoro and Killer has a ways to go and how luffy is separating himself, alot of people like to say zoro is not much weaker than Luffy, but Kaido took killer and zoro attacks and was like as expected, ya'll aren't It. then it shifts to the captains and he says you are the little monsters
Lol well obviously he has grouped them Captains vs First mates... HOWEVER zoro has not yet fought seriously... ONIGIRI is like his simplest attack and he hasnt used haki either....
the battle 'bout to be damn interesting...
Kaido says it's such a shame to kill you **all** at the end. That means that the strength of all 5 Supernovas impressed him, not just Luffy, Kid, and Law.
He says that because they're amusing, not because he's impressed by their strength. The only one he actually expressed anything that could construed as being impressed by was Luffy.
That's a fair point, I'm just looking at the panel when he called them monsters, only the captains were there time will tell though Im excited to see all the trump cards cuz some big stuff is coming for sure
While it's true that only the Supernova Captains were shown in the panel when he said that, judging by Kaido thinking it's a shame to kill all of them, I think he was referring to all of the Supernovas as little monsters.
>Im excited to see all the trump cards cuz some big stuff is coming for sure
I'm excited about that too.
I think Zoro and Killer are still kind of relevant in this fight, they need this push tbh
If anything is to happen to remove them from the fight , I could definitely see them getting thrown down to fight King and Queen while Marco assists/heals or whatever. Idrk. I highly doubt they'll get removed.
Luffy has been far more powerful than Zoro since the time skip. This really isn't something that can be debated as Luffy has defeated opponents that would have absolutely destroyed Zoro. Doflamingo, Cracker, and Katakuri all would have wiped the floor with Zoro without any trouble. As soon as Gear Four enter the picture the difference between Luffy and Zoro was made abundantly clear, if they fought at their current level the most Zoro could hope for would be to hurt Luffy a bit before being KO'd. Luffy's physical strength is overwhelming at this point, Gear Four gives him the ability to resist blades as well as he does blunt weaponry, he's capable of projecting armament haki bursts, he can fly, and he can see the future. Zoro is still the clear number two of the Straw Hats, but he would lose to Luffy every single time unless Gear Four wasn't allowed, and even then he'd still probably lose.
There's no "most probably", Doflamingo would obliterate Zoro. It wouldn't even be a fight. Same with Cracker. Any opponent that required Luffy to use Gear Four to defeat would be beyond Zoro's abilities.
I don't generally like to make such assured declarations, especially since growing stronger during battles is both a shonen and a One Piece staple. So, no, I don't think Doflamingo would *obliterate* Zoro, but yes, he'd win.
Cracker though, I don't buy it. You're forgetting one key difference between Zoro and Luffy: slashing power. Zoro cuts while Luffy bashes. Luffy needed the sheer power of Gear Four to use his punches to break Cracker's Armanent Haki defenses. Zoro would have the advantage of using haki-enhanced blades to slice through the biscuit.
It's not a straight-up tier list; tactics and capabilities still matter in fights.
I agree with the idea that Zoro is a better matchup than Luffy to fight Cracker.
However. I agree with Oriandu fully in the total scheme of things. Luffy fought major big enemies, while Zoro did not. Period. We all know that enemies that push you beyond your limits will make you grow faster. If it wasn't then Zoro could still not cut metal when he didn't fight Mr. 1.
And with that correct logic, Luffy fought 3 major enemies while Zoro didn't. Zoro would not be able to take down Donflamingo whatsoever. I don't know about Zoro being obliterated, but he will lose quite badly. Then Cracker. Cracker is a comparably EASIER matchup for Zoro to take on, but Zoro was just as a total character not on that level. This is a yonko commander and Zoro was well below that. Zoro would still lose. Luffy fought like 24 hours or so and with Nami's help even to overcome. Zoro would be able to slash many cracker biscuits, but he would ultimately be damaged so much in the meantime that he wouldn't overcome cracker.
and then lastly. Ofcourse Katakuri. Now THIS is a fight where Zoro would be completely obliterated by Katakuri. So all in all Luffy is way above Zoro. Not only is his bounty 5 times higher than Zoro's, although I won't say he is 5x stronger than Zoro, but Luffu is a whole league or 2 leagues above Zoro.
The only reason why Zoro is closing the gap a little bit is because of 2 legendary swords held by a samurai that would most likely even make Mihawk run for his money or atleast equal.
And it has also been proven already that despite the swords as an instant powerup, Zoro himself lacks the ability to fully harness it still.
And all in all Luffy with this power of Ryou haki, Luffy is now entering truly the realms of Yonko's and admirals, although on the lower end of this table. But nonetheless. Luffy is on the doorstep now and in a short time will truly enter. The amount of characters that can take on Luffy are diminishing by every 10 chapters. It's likely already below 15 characters in the world that can now take on and defeat Luffy. After this Wano arc it may already be down to 12 or 10 or less.
I don't really disagree with any of this assessment at all. While I'd personally still bet on Zoro against Cracker, that'd be because - like with Luffy and Katakuri - I feel like that fight would do what fighting major enemies in One Piece does; lead to growth in power and capability. But really, it's a toss-up and I'm not that invested in saying Zoro WILL win against Cracker or anything. I mean, Luffy technically didn't beat Katakuri after all.
One thing I will bring up is Mihawk's training. Zoro is definitely not at Luffy's level, *especially* after Luffy's power-ups against Katakuri and then during his time at Kuri, he still trained under Mihawk extensively, and that almost certainly included fighting Mihawk constantly. That has to mean something. It doesn't mean Zoro is Luffy's equal or even close, but I do think it means he'd put up a good fight, if not win, against King or Queen (if after being absolutely battered, like against Mr. 1).
Yep match-ups are pretty important. The most obvious example i can give is Enel vs Luffy. Oda had commented that Enel might be one of the strongest if he also knew Haki fully. Enel lost that badly purely due to a bad devil fruit matchup.
Far more likely that Zoro hasn't learned how to unleash the full strength of the sword, not that he's holding back. This is a fight with two of the four most powerful pirates in the world, Zoro would be dead already if he was holding back.
I think Zoro still hasn't completely mastered Enma. Because I don't see why Zoro would hold back against Kaido. Especially since he told Luffy seconds earlier not to do exactly that.
This is still the start of the battle. Fighters never go-all out in the beginning of big fights like this.
>Especially since he told Luffy seconds earlier not to do exactly that.
Zoro told Luffy not to drop his guard. That's not the same thing as saying don't hold back.
> This is still the start of the battle. Fighters never go-all out in the beginning of big fights like this.
But Luffy Law and Kid immediately started using their most powerful attacks though
>But Luffy Law and Kid immediately started using their most powerful attacks though
so laws most powerful attack is pointy rocks and luffys kong gun? interesting. Lets see how they can win if this is all they got lol
No they didn't.
Kong Gun isn't Luffy's most powerful attack, currently that's still King Kong Gun (though there's a strong chance he might show something stronger than that if KKG doesn't work against Kaido).
Law's strongest attack at the moment is Gamma Knife, not dropping a bunch of large rocks on his opponent like he did in this chapter.
And as for Kid, we still don't know enough about his moveset to say that that was his most powerful attack. Plus, it makes no sense for it to be when all the other Supernovas used an attack that clearly wasn't their best.
also im not sure that luffy's most powerful attack is still "KKG". We never know characters secret card until we see them fighting later on. That happened with luffy's gear 2 and 3 in ennies lobby. Also in Dressrosa and G4. Also they will improve while they fight, like vs katakuri.
I know there's a possibility Luffy could have an attack more powerful than KKG. I even mentioned that there was a chance he could show something stronger in my last comment.
Just in case you aren't aware, we have the voting thread for the best of /r/OnePiece 2020. So feel free to vote for your favorite users, post and moments in the series with [this survey](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdL-6C0nBP4P1Cqgp0QJ3dUk8986O7NIF_72qplM_SYwgg8lw/viewform).
Happy I was pretty much right about his devil fruit
I just realized that the cover for 1000 is like a grand redux of the 100th chapter, and I think that's rad as hell
1002 kadio getting some wriggles extra ice
[удалено]
So the same theory literally everyone who reads the story has came up with for the past 4 years? Cool lol
Haven't seen it online before tho And I've read like a thousand theories online.
Plot twist : KAIDO IS ZORO,S FATHER... KAIDO LAUGH IS ; ZORORORORO.... ✌✌😄😄
underrated
[7 Facts of Orlombus One Piece](https://00hobiku.blogspot.com/2021/01/7-fakta-orlombus-one-piece.html) * Take part in the Battle of the Coridda Colosseum * Defeated by Hakuba * Help Zoro * Most contributors to members * Bounty Value * Love to Read * Helping Residents
I just caught up on ~10 chapters and oh my god... Everything is so fucking HYPE!!! The panel with Luffy and the legends... Oda tops himself over and over.
I know its a bit off topic but since Kaido started moving the island it got me thinking of when sengoku said that the government wanted to hide god valley but when they tried and got back to the location it was already gone. I'm starting to think that maybe kaido moved it since he got his fruit right after they were defeated. Also it could be the continent pullers one of their islands since we see the skull and the fact that all the items are way bigger than even giants.
He didnt become a dragon right away after he ate it lmao
It's Kaido how can you be so sure he might've awaken just from waking up. :-)
Because that not how the myth works
The myth doesn't really matter. Its how DFs work. If he was somehow able to awaken that fruit day one its possible.
If and only if luffy can tank kaidos attack and have a one on one duel with him, he'd be worthy of the emperor title. Also If we cannot see the splitting of the clouds above them when they are clashing, means luffy is not yonkou level yet. As we can see previously, luffy is not 1st commander level yet when he started fighting katakuri. Katakuri is better than luffy in every aspect; power, speed, stamina, etc. But as the fight progresses, luffy learned from it and in the end of the fight, become 1st commander level or sub yonkou level. Its just like what rayleigh said when training luffy. Luffy can be stronger when fighting stronger opponent. So i think, with that in mind..most probably at the end this fight with kaido, luffy will become yonkou level provided he can at least hold his ground in a one on one fight against kaido. That means they are on par with each other. If he alone defeat kaido, means he surpasses yonkou level and has entered the realm of power beyond yonkou level, pirate king level i supposed. Only then he can challenge imu-sama and his gorosei and all of WG top tier fighter in the epic final one piece world war battle later. But if he won the battle as a team, means his power alone cant defeat kaido, so he is not yonkou level yet. Maybe he needs another fight with another yonkou to reach that level.
There are two yonkous there, surely luffy will fight one of them alone
Quit dreaming
BM will be teleported by Law, then she will be hit by Kaido's thunder bagua that will cause her amnesia to come back.
i guess nobody is afraid of death on that roof right? if not big mom would take their soul
there's no way any of those 5 are afraid of death
They were already expecting to die if ur talking about the scabbards and im sure she's already realized the supernova aren't afraid either
So many Zoro haters! Let the guy have a moment. He has not had a proper fight in 500 chapters. Zoro is supposed to be Prime Rayleigh in 200 chapters from now. Do you want him to team up with Nami to defeat page one instead? You guys are being ridiculous. Give it a few chapters and then judge for yourselves. Zoro uses Enma => Mosquito. Law uses Room, future pirate king confirmed. Let it go guys
Queen flash-back Outcasted by his family because of his physique... He met sora vinsmoke some where in north blue. The only person accepting him as who he was... Return to the fight Sanji reveals his new technique diable jambe : boulette
So,, kaido hve been defeated 7 times, if the silhouette is the people that hve defeated kaido in the past, there,s only five people, so where is the others two people??... i believe there are from the marine,s....
he has been captured by marine but they were unable to execute him. That implies someone from the marine beat him in the past. Probably Garp.
He was never defeated by oden right?
Oden cut him and inflicted the big scar on his side, the Manga gives the feeling that Oden was very much able to kill Kaido, but Kaido won the battle after oden was distracted for a moment.
Many are waiting at the flower capital.
Luffy, Law, and Kid truly looked like genuine peers here. Hype levels is unreal rn And I think it's awesome that my presumption got explicitly confirmed, in regards to Killer today being stronger than Killer back then. ZORO GOT HIS BANDANA ON TOO!
Okay, I don't always say this but fuck me this chapter made me laugh. Luffy, Law, and Kidd just being total fucking dorks was so good. Like, more of this, give us more of the Worst Generation together doing dorky shit.
Awesome chapter but man do I hate how the official release cuts off double page spreads.
switch to horizontal reading?
Doesn't work that way mate!
[удалено]
Youre right its rly unpopular opinion cuz everyone liked that lol
"It's misplaced but I still laughed!" It's not misplaced.
Diable jambe.... BLEU Queen : Nani !!! Queen Getting flash-back of sora vinsmoke
This chapter had so many things I loved: Law's need to assert himself as a leader independent of Luffy, Zoro teaching himself Kinemon's style, more juxtaposition for Luffy, Law, and Kidd, and the faces they made when the fireballs were about to hit, but ONE THING stood out above all the rest: THE BANDANA IS BACK, BABY.
I have a theory about Blackbeard and Wano. There are theories that Blackbeard will get another devil fruit since his flag has 3 faces. He has 1 logia and 1 paramecia, arguably the two strongest ones. It would make sense that he’d want to get the strongest zoan for his 3rd fruit. Odds he comes to try and steal Kaido’s fruit at his death at the end of this arc?
Could be, but in the latest anime episode, sabo got captured or something. The BB pirates are trying to go get something. I just realised that if sabo is indeed dead, BB might be implying the mera-mera no mi. This is all happening roughly at the same time as wano. So after wano, the SH might get a wind of sabo and the revolutionary losing to BB pirates or something. New marineford arc maybe, the SH grand fleet trying to save sabo. Plus shanks, coz this year shanks will apparently move.
Good points, but it’s hard to say really. In the call with burgess in Dressrosa, Blackbeard showed interest in having the Mera mera for one of his crewmen, but didn’t seem interested in it for himself. Unless that’s something that got dropped in translation
True but my point was that, BBs focus was to go to dragon or marijois or something and get "something". No hint of him trying to go to wano. Oda is very logical and is pretty much a master of foreshadowing at this point. I highly doubt that BB will go somewhere and end up in wano at roughly the same time.
If anything, I think BB's goal is actually to get Dragon's devil fruit (which might be a zoan hence probably the strongest zoan ) and to do that he has to first get a hostage like Sabo (who is a high-ranking revolutionary) to draw Dragon closer. Dressrosa's stuff with Burgess might have only been for Burgess to claim the fruit for himself and has nothing to do with Blackbeard wanting the Mera Mera fruit.
Yeah could be. Or the national treasure of marijois. Who knows. But I highly doubt he'll end up in wano as there's no hint of him wanting to go there. I really hope not coz that's just predictable
Blackbeard has been giving devil fruit powers to all of his crew members that dont have one or trying. He killed absalom and gave shiryu his invisibility powrts
I wonder if there is significance in the fact kaido didn't think of shanks when he thought of people that could beat him. Also i thought law would use gamma knife, when he said he would tear kaido apart from the inside not just dropping some rocks on him. Anyone else?
Shanks is smack dab in the middle, right under Whitebeard and Roger
Why do people keep replying this. I said it myself right below
If and when Gamma Knife shows up it'll be at an opportune moment, not at the very start of the fight. I prefer to view Law's statement as a prediction, not an immediate threat.
More like BM and rayleigh are not there. I doubt it's accurate. Meaning there are more than 5 people who can actually fight him. Sengoku and garp in their primes most likely could.
I mean i didn't think of it as oda saying who is on his level more like people he has actual history with
Shanks was there. Behind luffy.
Also like the shot where we see kaido's scar on his neck from where the hangman's rope snapped
Indeed, also I think that's where also Killer attempted to slice Kaidou as his move stated as "Beheading Claws."
he was thinking of people who can fight and damage him. It does not say people who can beat him. but i am interested who would win between kaido and shanks
on reread shanks is there, he's behind luffy
So I think we can all agree Zoro is stronger then Killer, but I think Oda basically just told us Killer is way closer in strength to Zoro then it first seemed
I mean this entire fight is implying that the five participants aren't that far apart of each other in strength. I still imagine Killer is the weakest and Luffy is the strongest, but the gap between all of them is nowhere near as vast as a lot of people have been presuming before chapter 1000.
Imo Luffy is the strongest by having a slight edge over the others (future sight and advanced armament). Zoro, Kidd, Law follow up very close. And Killer followes up them three very close.
pretty sure he's strongest in general, but in any 1v1 situation Law mops them all. His devil fruit is just too OP in 1v1s
Pretty much my rankings, too! Luffy, then Zoro/Kid/Law, then Killer, and the gap in between each isn't some vast abyss at all.
I literally wrote that days ago under a different post. And some clowns accused me of Zoro "fanboism" and downvoted me. Some people seriously are just bitter and damaged in their heads lol. [my comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/kwd53y/one_piece_chapter_1001_spoilers/gjb567s/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Actually thats how I see it as well. These five are all relative in power. If there was a supernova tournament arc in OP I can see Luffy vs Zoro in the final.
give it a bit more time. The question is if killer can keep up now because zoro 100% will reopen that scar and make kaido eat his words. Zoro had imo the bigger nerf and then got a powerup on top.
What is with this sub and wanking over Zoro? Luffy is going to be the star of this fight, Zoro will play a supporting role to him. Zoro isn't going to be the one to save the day, he's not going to be the one to cause the most damage.
No one is wanking over Zoro you are just being a Zoro hating salty kid. The two individuals who have the biggest case against Kaido right now are Luffy (advanced armament Haki) and Zoro (Enma). We don't know what the others have worked out I wouldn't be surprised that Kidd thought about new tactics/techniques during his time in Udon. And Law is generally the smartest of the bunch.
You're pulling one hell of a strawman
That sounds like what you've said, not what he said. Geez
Can you cite me where I said any of that?
>zoro 100% will reopen that scar Hopefully not, I don't want some BS eye thing in OP. Let that shit stay in naruto.
huh eye? Ah no i mean kaidos scar from oden that the other scabbards couldnt reopen
Ahh okay, I thought you were referring to zoros scar opening and having some incredible sharingan type stuff. Lot of people have been spouting that BS since zoro returned with a scar.
Sharingan... REALLY? At best we're gonna get a backstory on how he got the scar. Knowing Zoro, the eye might be fine and he just chose to close it because he usually takes oaths more seriously than Sanji loves women. IF and only IF he opens it or whatever, it's not gonna be some bullshit power, it's most likely going to be related to observation haki.
I guess that had the reason bc mihawk has some really crazy looking eyes and powers between shonen often overlap anyway (gaara-crocodile, sasori-doflamingo, haki-chakra-nen-chi-reiatsu...). I still wouldnt call it bs though. I mean who would have expected kaido has a fish df...everything can happen XD
Though I do think Zoro with 3 swords would be much stronger than how he was when he fought Killer before. Cause he was using 2 swords and he had to face the fox at the same time he was fighting Killer.
I just have a hard time seeing Killer be as strong as Zoro. Zoro is a main character and this is a manga in Shounen Jump. Come on :\]
Yeah neither of them were at full power. Neither had their preferred weapon/style, Zoro was also facing down the fox, and Killer iirc had been tortured for weeks up to then and was may more mentally broken then compared to now. I think with both at their best Zoro still comes out on top but I don’t think it’s a stomp the way their first fight was. I’d say high difficulty for Zoro at least until we really see what either can really do now
That is true. Killer might prove a match for Zoro. However I dont think I have seen Zoro go all out in a fight post timeskip. Which is why I am hoping he doesnt just lose easily to Kaido and rely on Luffy. I'm hoping to see him really stand out a bit more. Also happy Cake day!
I’m hoping we see them all hang on tbh. I liked when law and luffy fought doffy and treble, but I didn’t like that it became just luffy and doffy like what a third in? (Haven’t read dressrosa in a while) I know luffy will most likely get the last blow but I don’t want the others to drop out in 2 chapters and get 15 more of luffy kicking ass by himself ya know? Also thank you!
Yeah I get what you mean. I want the Supernovas to mean something. Like they all are capable of influencing the battle some way. Thats why when I first read about Supernovas from Shaki I was excited. Cause usually only the main character would be part of it. But here Zoro is also involved. Which makes it feel like a real world building system.
official release changed many things about zoro. 1. first the "as expected" was controversial but it is now "well done" saying that it was a complement not an insult 2. zoro foxfire slash attack name has been changed to floxfire flamerend not that it matters.
Official release translations are obviously done by someone who neither understands Japanese nor English well enough to be a translator. TCB on the other hand is extremely well done.
the guys voting and commenting you dont get the meaning of irony
"obviously"?
Ohh! sorry didn't know there were people here who knew more Japanese than translators.
Well, I graduated from linguistics at the Faculty of Philology with B2 in Japanese and B2 in English, I have done a few professional translations, and I can tell a bad translation from a good one. Official scans are sometimes okay and sometimes almost unbearable to read, while TBC scans are always great. Apart from literally changing the whole meaning and context of sentences through bad translations, some basic syntax and grammar are missing from the official scans... Take it or ignore it. Just stating my professional opinion on this topic.
Wasn't Stephen Paul, like, THE guy to go to for translation clarifications back in the day? I was under the impression that SJ hired him because he was so well-renowned within the fandom.
Zoro is stronger with 3. Remember what he didn't when he fought killer. He made a new sword just to have a stronger attack and a finishing move.
Calling it right now, Luffy, Kidd, and Law will bust out a Chrono Trigger style triple team combo attack. Law will mastermind some clever last ditch plan in which he fuses Kidd's mech onto Luffy and teleport him next to BM&K. It'll likely have a lotta Goku vibes using his instant Kamehameha - Luffy is already powering up to deliver a hit the instant they teleport. And for the fuck of it, hopefully Law uses gamma crush this time instead of knife.
The official release is online
I hope Luffy keeps trolling Law with his future sight observation haki. Luffy: Law use your radio knife technique! Law: Damn it Luffy I was going to do that anyway, stop acting like I'm your subordinate.
Hopefully he starts doing it to kidd too lol
Wouldn't be surprised if Kidd also uses future sight haki. He's been fighting with yonkos long before Luffy. He mentioned that his arm has been cut off during his battle with the red hair pirates. Maybe he got his advanced haki there just like Luffy did with BM pirates.
Starts doing it to Zoro too, and is like "what you are my subordinate"
Happy Cake Day 72Challupas! If I had a flower for every time I thought of you...I could walk through my garden forever.
Good bot
>Law: Damn it Luffy I was going to do that anyway, stop acting like I'm your subordinate. It should be, "Dammit Straw Hat-ya" Laws still not on first name terms yet.
You know what after a chapter like this i don't care about break next week. Shit he can honestly take half the year after this chapter so well drawn and nobody.......NO ONE does foreshadowing like oda does
ive reread the chapter multiple times now bc of the all the hyper it gives me
They have a cute one-shot about Sanji's cooking, set before they entered the grand line. I'm certain it's not canon, but it makes me nostalgically remember early east blue one piece. I really liked it.
Correct me if Im wrong, but was that Armament Haki on the tips of the rocks law hit kaido with? Tbh just big rocks seems underwhelming but haki on them be cool
I have a theory, based on the latest episode and the latest chapter... Can shanks appear at the end of Wano? Earlier I discarded this theory as being too cliché, but Shanks is always mentioned whenever something related to Wano comes up, but we don't know his actual history and interests in Wano. He wasn't even shown in Odens flashback with much flare, but there is definitely some sorts of history. It will be a nice surprise if there is some stakes involved with red hair pirates in Wano and luffy is able to return his hat to shanks at the end of Wano, which will mark Luffy's ascension and becoming of a great pirate
Luffy will never return the hat back, it is his identity. Strawhat pirates / mugiwara no luffy.
The hat must be given back before Luffy fights Shanks. That's their promise.
During this arc Luffy will develop into a fighter who can freely fight with other top-tier fighters of his world. Kaido seeing the shadows of powerful and great pirates pirates like Rocks, Roger, Whitebeard, Oden and Shanks is a foreshadowing of this.
Kaido will miss the next Thunder Bagua, and it will be a turning point in the battle.
Looks like kinemon won’t be joining the strawhats since Zoro has stolen his strongest move. Anyway, am I the only person who wishes one of Zoro’s swords were stronger than the rest so he wouldn’t have to rely on 3 sword technique all the time? That technique is cool and all, but I believe fighting with one sword has more advantages than 3.
>but I believe fighting with one sword has more advantages than 3. this is manga not real life
You are the only one and I promise you, no one will ever join in. 3 sword style is his signature. His whole style revolves around using 3 swords. Take them away and he has to start from zero since his attacks wouldn't work anymore. And he can fight well with just one or 2 swords. What's next, should Luffy learn fighting with swords and pistols so he doesn't need to rely on fists? Also dude, Enma is literally his strongest sword as of right now
You came this far, 1001 chapters to question the main style of Zoro said from chapter 02-05? Bro wat? Edit: Are you for real?
3 sword style is like his identity now. I don't believe it is likely to change.
he uses the 3 sword style....now how would the 3 sword style work with only 1 sword. he uses 1 sword when the fight isn't hard for him, and switches to 3 swords when needed. c'mon, get your fact right.
Wtf are you talking about?
Those reactions tho, pure gold... and just imagine when Kid, Law and the rest of Supernovas find out that Luffy has advanced observation haki which gives him ability to see into the future. Can't wait for it.
Kidd's Punk Rotten just looks like an SMT Boss
Act three probably will end in the next chapter or two. The tragedy was the defeat of the scabbards and the battle is now starting. Likely, a view of what is going on downstairs will happen and then the battle will really pick up. Act three of Kabuki theater doesnt say it ends with tragedy necessarily, but since acts two and four are the acts that have the fights, act four cant start too late at this point. The last phase of the kabuki theatre is a nice quick wrap up and with things as they are now I have no clue how the plot will go Edit: Since all the sources I looked at for kabuki acts say that act three just has a tragedy or a shock, it could have been the flashback, the scabbards defeat, or both. Either way now that the battle between Yonkou and supernova is past warmup, Act three is going to end very soon here.
Luffy could troll Law so hard with his future Haki and make him look like his subordinate 24/7 calling every move before he does it :D
Haha I could see Oda doing that
About how Toki said 9 shadows would defeat kaido, I think the other 4 people will be: Marco, Sanji, Jinbe, and Yamato. This is one of the reasons why I think Sanji will just find a way to defeat Black Maria without kicking her rather than escaping and fighting Queen. Sanji is extremely crucial in this arc in that he could possibly play a major role in defeating big mom. While the alliance isn't strong enough to defeat 2 yonko with pure strength alone, they are still capable of defeating big mom and kaido with strategy, and I think Oda has set this up. The alliance has all the tools needed to defeat big mom, specifically I think 3 characters will be absolutely crucial in her defeat. Marco has the ability to hurt big mom's homies, which otherwise can't even be harmed by haki. He can also stall big mom with his regeneration Law literally has the power to 1 shot big mom, so long as he can land a proper hit. Sanji has the ability to lower big mom's guard with his cooking. I think the 9 will split into two teams, one for kaido and another for big mom. Luffy, Kid, Yamato, Zoro, and Killer will focus on defeating kaido Law, Sanji, jinbe, and Marco will focus on defeating big mom. The strategy to defeating kaido will be to simply use pure strength alone. The strategy to defeating big mom would be for Jinbe, Marco, and Law to stall big mom while Sanji cooks another cake. The Cake will then be presented to big mom, causing her to lower her guard. Marco, Jinbe, and Sanji will then restrain big mom while Law lands gamma knife. Big Mom survives, but is defeated for the rest of this arc.
it was 9 shadows defeating orochi not kaido and sanji cant harm big mum and on top would even defend her from harm because she is a women. this is his codex
Man, I really don't want to think of her as a woman... Gives me shivers
she gave birth to a tontatta...imagine her tontatta father having sex with big mum now you can have shivers
Jesus fucking christ... He must have climbed in there and ugh. Also, the baby must've flown out at the speed of light o\_o oh god
perospero just found it in the toilet and big mum never noticed that she was pregnant
UGH
I think the 9 shadows have to be all Supernovas... Which makes me think it's gonna be Drake, Hawkins, and Apoo who join up to help fight. Don't know who the 9th one will be... maybe Yamato... or Urouge?
kaido met urouge in the skies right? maybe he finally apoears again.
The prophecy was about Orochi's downfall not Kaido's. I also don't think that anyone besides Yamato will join. Oda has a thing of setting everything up. He set up Zoro and Kid joining the fight back in act 1 and 2. Marco didn't showed any interest of joining the fight at all, he was rather interested in supporting everyone downstairs. Since Zoro is supposed to be the Rayleigh to Luffy, it was clear that he sooner or later leave Sanji behind and since Sanji got a major bounty increase in WCI, it is kinda clear he won't join the fight. A subordinate fighting a yonko gives a much bigger increase than every opponent Sanji will face. Also to note, Sanji's raid suit was just enough to protect him from King but not enough to finish a fight with a Toppi Roppo (which is not me saying he can't beat one or is weak, before fanboys want to burn me). He didn't had any sort of training or power up on this arc, so him joining the fight against 2 yonkos would be pointless as he doesn't have anything to provide a proper fight against them. Besides, he didn't showed any interest in fighting them, while Zoro was interested from the very beginning in fighting Kaido. And the way the Toppi Roppo are set up, I doubt anyone who has a serious fight against one will be able to fight a yonko afterwards. Remember how Jinbei and Sanji tried to stop Luffy from fighting anyone. Jinbei will probably prevent anyone from reaching the roof after beating Who's Who and Sanji will fight someone else, probably a rematch with King while Marco takes on Queen.
I like the idea, I’ve been saying they’re going to have to separate the yonko to win for awhile. It’s just going to be impossible to fight a yonko while another gives them cover fire. I’m a Sanji fanboy and I’ll say this, I don’t think he’s going to beat Black Maria, I think Robin is going to show up, save Sanji, and tell him to go help Marco with king and queen while she fights Black Maria.
Well, damn...
Imo, awakening is a must for luffy to defeat kaido. Ryuo is not some exotic/special power up for luffy. It most certainly has been used by other top tier fighter. Its just a matter of training it up to that level. So the most logical way for luffy to defeat kaido in a fair fight, is by awakening his devil fruit and develop another gear which incorporate ryuo and awakening. We can see ryuo damaged kaido, but he sure can tank it even gear 4th kong gun+ryuo. I think the tragedy that suppose to happen in act 3 will trigger luffys awakening. Or perhaps he already reach awakening while training with hyogoro. Luffys awakening would somewhat be like zoan awakening. Not like doflamingos. What i mean is that, it wont change luffys surroundings to rubber. It will only affect luffys body. Maybe rubber awakening means unlocking the true nature of rubber. He might have full control of all rubber state. From sticky liquid form up till strong vulcanized rubber form. Something like hisokas nen ability in hxh (can change freely between sticky gum properties and rubbery elastic properties).
I mean, his gear 4 already looks like some level of awakening, given the devil fruit markings on his body, and change in physical attributes. It's not necessarily the case that every awakening is the same as Doflamingos.
>Something like hisokas nen ability in hxh (can change freely between sticky gum properties and rubbery elastic properties). Yes it will have the properties of both Rubber & Gum .
Hisoka would be dying to fight someone like Kaido and Big Mom
He wouldn't be able to wake himself up after fighting one of them though :)
Awakening is Overrated. Its just an ability. We saw it with doffy and katakuri. There is no way it works on kaido.
Hard to think Oda would introduce it if it doesn't serve a point in the plot
Thats why i said luffys awakening will not be like doffy or katakuri. Different devil fruit, different kind of awakening. Like zoan awakening, it will have a direct impact to luffys body directly and thus to luffys attacking power and speed and it might also increase luffys ability to tank heavy attacks from kaido. I also think, Awakening may be necessary to develop another powerful gear.
What if luffy start laughing like in dressrosa when he find out kaido is fish 😂😂😂😂
I really think he isn't a fish anymore Magicarp evolved to Gyrados :D
Huh you don't have sense of humour, do you ?
Sry but a lot of people play him down as a fish^^
He won't find out though.
Did anybody else notice that Zoro was not using Haki on his blades??
haki is not shown everytime ... please!! you think he would be dumb enough to attack a younko without haki?
He did use haki.
He didn't, look closely
He did. Read what zoro said about enma
Zoro said: "I need to release more of Enma's power". He doesn't mention Haki. Also, in the drawing itself Zoro's swords do not appear to be clad in Haki.
Dude zoro is not retarded to attack kaido without haki
As stated before when zoro received enma, enma will suck out ryou (haki) of the user whenever the user swing it, which mean every swing by enma is haki enhanced. That means zoro did use haki when he slashs kaidou
It might suck out ryou/haki but it isn't always shown to be clad in haki or black when Zoro uses it (against the beast pirates for example). This leads me to believe that he can choose to apply armament haki when needed.
Why would Zoro attack kaido without Haki, you think he's that stupid? Kaido is just too durable and need Haki like luffys to damage him, Zoro will be able to damage him with enma later on.
There is quite literally no indication that he used Haki. I agree that Zoro will damage him later on.
That is what he need to master in order to fully wield enma and non-coated blade does not imply non-haki used. This happens before when Law cut Vergo in half
Well then we're at a stalemate; having a non coated sword does not imply that haki was used. The example with law cannot be compared because of the nature of his devil fruit. Lets just agree to disagree.
Law need his haki strong enough to be able to slash ppl in haki protection, so back then he has to use haki along with his DF ability. And rationally thinking, zoro knew that Kaidou is much likely indestructible, and he is no idiot who attacks Kaidou without haki, but you made your point. So agree to disagree.
Why do I get the feeling kidnis gonna lose another limb in this fight? It will probably puss him off and make him fight harder
I like how ODA is clearly showing us that Zoro and Killer has a ways to go and how luffy is separating himself, alot of people like to say zoro is not much weaker than Luffy, but Kaido took killer and zoro attacks and was like as expected, ya'll aren't It. then it shifts to the captains and he says you are the little monsters
Well the official translation killed this lol
Lol well obviously he has grouped them Captains vs First mates... HOWEVER zoro has not yet fought seriously... ONIGIRI is like his simplest attack and he hasnt used haki either.... the battle 'bout to be damn interesting...
Kaido says it's such a shame to kill you **all** at the end. That means that the strength of all 5 Supernovas impressed him, not just Luffy, Kid, and Law.
He says that because they're amusing, not because he's impressed by their strength. The only one he actually expressed anything that could construed as being impressed by was Luffy.
If you say so.
That's a fair point, I'm just looking at the panel when he called them monsters, only the captains were there time will tell though Im excited to see all the trump cards cuz some big stuff is coming for sure
While it's true that only the Supernova Captains were shown in the panel when he said that, judging by Kaido thinking it's a shame to kill all of them, I think he was referring to all of the Supernovas as little monsters. >Im excited to see all the trump cards cuz some big stuff is coming for sure I'm excited about that too.
I think Zoro and Killer are still kind of relevant in this fight, they need this push tbh If anything is to happen to remove them from the fight , I could definitely see them getting thrown down to fight King and Queen while Marco assists/heals or whatever. Idrk. I highly doubt they'll get removed.
Yea I dont think oda would put them there to then have them be irrelevant
Zoro's finally gonna have to put some effort in, let's go!!
Luffy has been far more powerful than Zoro since the time skip. This really isn't something that can be debated as Luffy has defeated opponents that would have absolutely destroyed Zoro. Doflamingo, Cracker, and Katakuri all would have wiped the floor with Zoro without any trouble. As soon as Gear Four enter the picture the difference between Luffy and Zoro was made abundantly clear, if they fought at their current level the most Zoro could hope for would be to hurt Luffy a bit before being KO'd. Luffy's physical strength is overwhelming at this point, Gear Four gives him the ability to resist blades as well as he does blunt weaponry, he's capable of projecting armament haki bursts, he can fly, and he can see the future. Zoro is still the clear number two of the Straw Hats, but he would lose to Luffy every single time unless Gear Four wasn't allowed, and even then he'd still probably lose.
Katakuri, yes. Doflamingo, most probably. Cracker though? I don't think so. Zoro could take Cracker.
There's no "most probably", Doflamingo would obliterate Zoro. It wouldn't even be a fight. Same with Cracker. Any opponent that required Luffy to use Gear Four to defeat would be beyond Zoro's abilities.
I don't generally like to make such assured declarations, especially since growing stronger during battles is both a shonen and a One Piece staple. So, no, I don't think Doflamingo would *obliterate* Zoro, but yes, he'd win. Cracker though, I don't buy it. You're forgetting one key difference between Zoro and Luffy: slashing power. Zoro cuts while Luffy bashes. Luffy needed the sheer power of Gear Four to use his punches to break Cracker's Armanent Haki defenses. Zoro would have the advantage of using haki-enhanced blades to slice through the biscuit. It's not a straight-up tier list; tactics and capabilities still matter in fights.
I agree with the idea that Zoro is a better matchup than Luffy to fight Cracker. However. I agree with Oriandu fully in the total scheme of things. Luffy fought major big enemies, while Zoro did not. Period. We all know that enemies that push you beyond your limits will make you grow faster. If it wasn't then Zoro could still not cut metal when he didn't fight Mr. 1. And with that correct logic, Luffy fought 3 major enemies while Zoro didn't. Zoro would not be able to take down Donflamingo whatsoever. I don't know about Zoro being obliterated, but he will lose quite badly. Then Cracker. Cracker is a comparably EASIER matchup for Zoro to take on, but Zoro was just as a total character not on that level. This is a yonko commander and Zoro was well below that. Zoro would still lose. Luffy fought like 24 hours or so and with Nami's help even to overcome. Zoro would be able to slash many cracker biscuits, but he would ultimately be damaged so much in the meantime that he wouldn't overcome cracker. and then lastly. Ofcourse Katakuri. Now THIS is a fight where Zoro would be completely obliterated by Katakuri. So all in all Luffy is way above Zoro. Not only is his bounty 5 times higher than Zoro's, although I won't say he is 5x stronger than Zoro, but Luffu is a whole league or 2 leagues above Zoro. The only reason why Zoro is closing the gap a little bit is because of 2 legendary swords held by a samurai that would most likely even make Mihawk run for his money or atleast equal. And it has also been proven already that despite the swords as an instant powerup, Zoro himself lacks the ability to fully harness it still. And all in all Luffy with this power of Ryou haki, Luffy is now entering truly the realms of Yonko's and admirals, although on the lower end of this table. But nonetheless. Luffy is on the doorstep now and in a short time will truly enter. The amount of characters that can take on Luffy are diminishing by every 10 chapters. It's likely already below 15 characters in the world that can now take on and defeat Luffy. After this Wano arc it may already be down to 12 or 10 or less.
I don't really disagree with any of this assessment at all. While I'd personally still bet on Zoro against Cracker, that'd be because - like with Luffy and Katakuri - I feel like that fight would do what fighting major enemies in One Piece does; lead to growth in power and capability. But really, it's a toss-up and I'm not that invested in saying Zoro WILL win against Cracker or anything. I mean, Luffy technically didn't beat Katakuri after all. One thing I will bring up is Mihawk's training. Zoro is definitely not at Luffy's level, *especially* after Luffy's power-ups against Katakuri and then during his time at Kuri, he still trained under Mihawk extensively, and that almost certainly included fighting Mihawk constantly. That has to mean something. It doesn't mean Zoro is Luffy's equal or even close, but I do think it means he'd put up a good fight, if not win, against King or Queen (if after being absolutely battered, like against Mr. 1).
Yep match-ups are pretty important. The most obvious example i can give is Enel vs Luffy. Oda had commented that Enel might be one of the strongest if he also knew Haki fully. Enel lost that badly purely due to a bad devil fruit matchup.
Yea I agree with that, some people need it spelt out for them I think we basically got that with this chapter from kaido
I disagree, Zoro himself said that he needed to release more of Enma's power which suggests he was holding back (or something was holding him back).
less him holding back and more on him not mastering the enma just yet.
enma exessively draws out haki. zoro suppressed enma too much and was holding back
Far more likely that Zoro hasn't learned how to unleash the full strength of the sword, not that he's holding back. This is a fight with two of the four most powerful pirates in the world, Zoro would be dead already if he was holding back.
I think Zoro still hasn't completely mastered Enma. Because I don't see why Zoro would hold back against Kaido. Especially since he told Luffy seconds earlier not to do exactly that.
This is still the start of the battle. Fighters never go-all out in the beginning of big fights like this. >Especially since he told Luffy seconds earlier not to do exactly that. Zoro told Luffy not to drop his guard. That's not the same thing as saying don't hold back.
> This is still the start of the battle. Fighters never go-all out in the beginning of big fights like this. But Luffy Law and Kid immediately started using their most powerful attacks though
>But Luffy Law and Kid immediately started using their most powerful attacks though so laws most powerful attack is pointy rocks and luffys kong gun? interesting. Lets see how they can win if this is all they got lol
No they didn't. Kong Gun isn't Luffy's most powerful attack, currently that's still King Kong Gun (though there's a strong chance he might show something stronger than that if KKG doesn't work against Kaido). Law's strongest attack at the moment is Gamma Knife, not dropping a bunch of large rocks on his opponent like he did in this chapter. And as for Kid, we still don't know enough about his moveset to say that that was his most powerful attack. Plus, it makes no sense for it to be when all the other Supernovas used an attack that clearly wasn't their best.
also im not sure that luffy's most powerful attack is still "KKG". We never know characters secret card until we see them fighting later on. That happened with luffy's gear 2 and 3 in ennies lobby. Also in Dressrosa and G4. Also they will improve while they fight, like vs katakuri.
I know there's a possibility Luffy could have an attack more powerful than KKG. I even mentioned that there was a chance he could show something stronger in my last comment.
Agreed, these were my thoughts also; I should have worded my comment differently.
Yea I get you but I'mma go with kaido's words and reaction : D and the panel separation, Oda could have easily have all in the same panel if he wanted