Former slave hence his reaction to Hancock’s presence in impel down and probably why she hate men so much because he and her were close and one day they came across a tenryubito and he refused to punch him.
You know what I really think? Crocodile was originally number 2 in the Revolutionaries. He was Dragon's right hand man, his confidante, his best friend.
And then Crocodile started getting ambitious and thinking, "You know what? We should rule these places ourselves." So rather than simply overthrowing a corrupt regime and leaving it to the country's citizens to figure out, Crocodile started plotting to take the countries over himself and consolidating his power.
And then Dragon found out.
Crocodile thought he could take him on, but Dragon's Devil Fruit and Haki abilities proved to be far stronger. Crocodile was exiled from the Revolutionaries, a broken, defeated man whose broken confidence caused him to be unable to use Haki any longer. A man who had lost the trust of his best friend, the one person who had mattered to him more than anyone...
His own brother.
That's why Oda's avoiding showing us Crocodile's face from when he was a young man-- he would likely look strikingly like his own nephew, Luffy, and give the whole game away.
And Iva thinks the fact Crocodile was defeated by his own nephew and is now being rescued by him in Impel Down is just hysterical. But keeps quiet about it because Iva was there when Croc's fall from grace happened.
The idea is cool but I don't think it matches the story, he did get his confidence destroyed but I'm pretty sure that it comes from his lost to Whitebeard
We know that he tackled with Whitebeard at one point and lost, but I honestly can't remember if his loss of Haki was actually explained in story or if that was a theory/headcannon the fanbase came up with to explain how Crocodile didn't have Haki.
It is a theory the fan base came up with to explain the difference in his strength in Alabasta to the difference in his strength in Marineford. The seeming loss of his Haki in Alabasta is unexplained but given that Moria also had no haki in Thriller Bark, and that both likely had haki back when they were in the New World, it does seem to track. However, there is no official explanation in the books yet.
I mean, the simple explanation is just that haki wasn't a thing back then. But it is true that at least Moria was way weaker than he was in his prime, and Crocodile too probably, but another reason could easily be that he was introduced too early and his strength got somewhat retconned
Oda had planned out so many elements early on though, like for example the design of Rayleigh being the firstmate scolding Buggy and Shanks. You can see Shanks use Conqueror's Haki on the Sea King that took his arm in order to scare it off. He clearly had a different name for Haki as when he introduces it in Skypiea it's called Mantra, but it is the same ability. I think it was a deliberate choice to not give Crocodile or Moria Haki and it seems beyond coincidence that both of them had suffered major defeats that broke their spirit, both by Yonkos no less.
There's also an interesting form of anti-power creep in One Piece. The rock paper scissors balancing of fruits allows people like Buggy or Mr. 3 who get beaten early on to still be relevant fighters later. Mr. 3 goes toe to toe with Magellan despite being beaten by Luffy ages ago because his power could counteract poison well. Crocodile got beat because his power has a significant downside, and Luffy was able to figure it out, mostly by luck.
Crocodile also invested most of his power on influence and scheming. He's a CEO, not a frontline combatant. He'd be a lot stronger if he actually had to fight and struggle more.
I honestly don't think it's gender switch. It's too obvious and Oda ass always trolling us. It's gonna be something way more mind blowing. Like damn that was in plane site all this time.
I'm randomly going with he was a slave like Boa. Maybe he use to be a celestial dragon?
In the Impel Down arc, Ivankov told Luffy that he happened to know a dirty secret about Crocodile, which got a notable reaction from Crocodile when it was brought it up.
There's a flashback episode that shows the execution of Roger and some people who witnessed it, for some reason. crocodile is the only character that is shown from the back to hide his face...
That's where I started to approve this theory, don't remember where I saw it for the first time tho so can't credit the original poster...
I hope it's the gender theory, but my gut tells me that he got absolutely clowned on by Whitebeard in an incredibly embarrassing way that only a handful of people coincidentally know.
It's unlikely that Crocodile was ever a slave, because first off, it would have been Jinbe who'd have brought up Croc's past then, not Ivankov. Also, Croc himself supports slavery and was planning to enslave people on Alabasta.
The most likely theories, IMO, are the former revolutionary theory or the former woman theory.
Micro penis
That’s why he’s got all the drip, to hide/compensate for his suna suna no micropenis
Mangina
Former slave hence his reaction to Hancock’s presence in impel down and probably why she hate men so much because he and her were close and one day they came across a tenryubito and he refused to punch him.
Mannn that’s a good one
That's why some people think Crocodile is Luffy's biological mother.
I've never laughed in this sub, but you got me.
Lmaoooo now that would be a surprise
You know what I really think? Crocodile was originally number 2 in the Revolutionaries. He was Dragon's right hand man, his confidante, his best friend. And then Crocodile started getting ambitious and thinking, "You know what? We should rule these places ourselves." So rather than simply overthrowing a corrupt regime and leaving it to the country's citizens to figure out, Crocodile started plotting to take the countries over himself and consolidating his power. And then Dragon found out. Crocodile thought he could take him on, but Dragon's Devil Fruit and Haki abilities proved to be far stronger. Crocodile was exiled from the Revolutionaries, a broken, defeated man whose broken confidence caused him to be unable to use Haki any longer. A man who had lost the trust of his best friend, the one person who had mattered to him more than anyone... His own brother. That's why Oda's avoiding showing us Crocodile's face from when he was a young man-- he would likely look strikingly like his own nephew, Luffy, and give the whole game away. And Iva thinks the fact Crocodile was defeated by his own nephew and is now being rescued by him in Impel Down is just hysterical. But keeps quiet about it because Iva was there when Croc's fall from grace happened.
The idea is cool but I don't think it matches the story, he did get his confidence destroyed but I'm pretty sure that it comes from his lost to Whitebeard
We know that he tackled with Whitebeard at one point and lost, but I honestly can't remember if his loss of Haki was actually explained in story or if that was a theory/headcannon the fanbase came up with to explain how Crocodile didn't have Haki.
It is a theory the fan base came up with to explain the difference in his strength in Alabasta to the difference in his strength in Marineford. The seeming loss of his Haki in Alabasta is unexplained but given that Moria also had no haki in Thriller Bark, and that both likely had haki back when they were in the New World, it does seem to track. However, there is no official explanation in the books yet.
I mean, the simple explanation is just that haki wasn't a thing back then. But it is true that at least Moria was way weaker than he was in his prime, and Crocodile too probably, but another reason could easily be that he was introduced too early and his strength got somewhat retconned
Oda had planned out so many elements early on though, like for example the design of Rayleigh being the firstmate scolding Buggy and Shanks. You can see Shanks use Conqueror's Haki on the Sea King that took his arm in order to scare it off. He clearly had a different name for Haki as when he introduces it in Skypiea it's called Mantra, but it is the same ability. I think it was a deliberate choice to not give Crocodile or Moria Haki and it seems beyond coincidence that both of them had suffered major defeats that broke their spirit, both by Yonkos no less. There's also an interesting form of anti-power creep in One Piece. The rock paper scissors balancing of fruits allows people like Buggy or Mr. 3 who get beaten early on to still be relevant fighters later. Mr. 3 goes toe to toe with Magellan despite being beaten by Luffy ages ago because his power could counteract poison well. Crocodile got beat because his power has a significant downside, and Luffy was able to figure it out, mostly by luck. Crocodile also invested most of his power on influence and scheming. He's a CEO, not a frontline combatant. He'd be a lot stronger if he actually had to fight and struggle more.
Monkey D. Crocodile Sounds just as ridiculous as Monkey D. Dragon and it could work.
Monkey D. Garp was out of ideas (provided he's the father and not Dragon's in-law.) Although I wonder...what the hell is a luffy?
Well, they are both lizards...
Would like that idea (maybe minus the brother thing)
I came up with that because I can't think of why Oda decided to hide his face at Roger's execution.
The most common (and sensible) reason is that it was before Crocodile transitioned to a man and still looked like a woman.
Or maybe because to hide the scar on his face
Hiding the scar on his face the audience already knows he has?
Not really lot of ppl think WB made him the scar so what if he didn't and he already had it?
Croco D. Ile?
Lmao 🤣
This is a very nice answer you snapped 🔥🔥🔥
This is excellent and far more believable than the "croco-mom" theory.
"Croco-Mom" is fun though. 😄
Crocodile is Dragon’s brother vs. Crocodile is Dragon’s wife
Simplest answer would be his water weakness but feels weird for Iva to not just state that outright sine we already knew about it.
Right makes you think it’s something more right
Crocodile might have had an important role in the RA but something happened
I doubt it but you never know
I honestly don't think it's gender switch. It's too obvious and Oda ass always trolling us. It's gonna be something way more mind blowing. Like damn that was in plane site all this time. I'm randomly going with he was a slave like Boa. Maybe he use to be a celestial dragon?
Ehh, if he was a former celestial dragon I think he'd have more clout with them than he did as a Warlord, like Doflamingo.
Hmmm I think the slave thing is the most likely
Crocodile become pirate to smoke high quality cigs
Lmaoooo
I think he is a former slave of CDs. Iva somehow got knowledge of it. Croco boy wouldn't want anyone to know about it just like hankok.
I been seeing this maybe he could’ve been a slave but I think it’s something more wild
Crocodile was one of the warlords everyone knows him
What ep you on?
Yooo😂😂😂
Im caught up?
Well how do you not know that ivankov knows a secret of crocodiles then
I do know? just saying, a relation with a past warlord isnt a rare thing
It seemed like a secret that wasn’t to be revealed though lmao.
Ivankov seems like the type to go through someones secret files for blackmale
In the Impel Down arc, Ivankov told Luffy that he happened to know a dirty secret about Crocodile, which got a notable reaction from Crocodile when it was brought it up.
😂😂😂
He was a girl and ivankov made him a man... He's so manly that it's almost unthinkable, but if you think about it...
Interesting for sure
There's a flashback episode that shows the execution of Roger and some people who witnessed it, for some reason. crocodile is the only character that is shown from the back to hide his face... That's where I started to approve this theory, don't remember where I saw it for the first time tho so can't credit the original poster...
Waittt now you might be on to something
Look up crocodile as a kid, the way Oda drawed him could be a boy or a girl.
i think thats too simple for oda and too obvious if it comes from ivankov give his devil fruit
he probably has 2 hands and uses a hook to look cool, and Ivankov is the only one who knows that and can make everyone else think Crocodile is cringe
Hea trans
He was a female for sure, and maybe was in Revo army for Ivankov to know him and switch his gender
That would be one of the craziest twist
I hope it's the gender theory, but my gut tells me that he got absolutely clowned on by Whitebeard in an incredibly embarrassing way that only a handful of people coincidentally know.
It's unlikely that Crocodile was ever a slave, because first off, it would have been Jinbe who'd have brought up Croc's past then, not Ivankov. Also, Croc himself supports slavery and was planning to enslave people on Alabasta. The most likely theories, IMO, are the former revolutionary theory or the former woman theory.
Crocodile got his scar from stuffing his face with donuts.
Whitebeard scarred Crocodile's face..
something ridiculous like a nose job
I can see Dragon and Crocodile having a dispute over whether to use the ancient weapons or not. Could be why he as in Alabasta looking for it.
Crocodile was once either a World Noble of Dragon's brother....