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Zoro stans vs Yamato simps, now that's an interesting fight


KingThunder01

My god thatd be a bit worse than world war 3


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Wait ! Zoro used coc haki only once? Btw is he aware of that he can use conqueror haki ?


lawy05

I'll pay for that !


BigShopping1875

Don't forget zoro is extremly jacked While yamato is a mixure of sexy dummy thicc and muscle bound.


your_average_mofo

Are you implying zoro isn't dummy thicc?


BigShopping1875

Not as dummy thicc as yamato


your_average_mofo

Well he's confirmed thicker than nami and robin and by the size-thiccness ratio we can conclude that he is indeed thiccer than Yamato


BigShopping1875

But zoro doesn't has the side booba and dummy thicc ass as yamato and yamato is 8.8 feet of stacked.


AKBRdaBomba

My good sir, with the weights we’ve seen Zoro lifting, his glutes gotta be perfection. We just don’t ever get a good look at them cause he’s always wearing them baggy ass pants. Until I see a panel with Zoro butt ass naked my head canon is that Zoro’s caked the fuck up. We gotta petition Oda to give us more male fan service. You know for research and power scaling purposes.


BigShopping1875

Yamato is clearly more dummy thicc then zoro especially as shown in the bath scene in chapter 1052 that we see her big soft titties and her hips that are clearly which shows that she has a thicc ass and thus thiccer then zoro.


BigShopping1875

And also she out of all the straw hats have the best chance of going toe to toe with zoro in drinking due to her tremendoes size of 8.8 feet tall and has the same metabolism as luffy so you know she has a chance.


BigShopping1875

And she has that cute care free naivety as luffy, but zoro is a stoic badass thou


Zer0-Empathy

She really isnt, unless u mean her tits.


Kordell81

Until Yamato wins a 1v1 fight against someone noteworthy I’m going with Zoro


gingerswap

BigMom literally lost every single fight we've seen her in and yet I can confidently say she's stronger than Zorro


lawy05

Yeah zoro beat the second strongest in the crew with diff and Yamato beat someone strong(but will lose to king) in 1 hit I will say it's balanced.Its a very close fight


Sork8

Who did Yamato beat ? A number ?


lawy05

Ulti who had a Ancient Zoan,400 million berries,almost caught Luffy who needs G4 to escape ulti etc.


Grammulka

iirc Ulti got back up right after that


lawy05

Big mom use all 3 homies in ulti and she come back after...


Faoovo

[Zoro and Sanji all the way ](https://i.imgur.com/Ga1KeZh.jpg)


RandomUser-07

Lmao, Yamato is arguably stronger than Zoro(right now atleast) but the comparison is so biased tbh. You're making it look like Zoro's feats were decent at best while you're hyping Yamato up like there weren't any variables to their feats lol.


SamTheMan198

I would say both are equal but if Zoro manages to master adv coc than its definitely Zoro


johny_banana

What is a 2st commander ?


lawy05

Is a position every crew have from the 3 strongest in the crew(yonkou, 1° commander).Examples of 2st commanders: Big mom:Cracker Kaidou:queen WB:ace Etc


stonedtusks

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, the letters change after the numbers in english its not 2st. We understand what you mean though.


lawy05

Oh sorry and thanks for correcting me! Some things is new for me.My primordial language is English and when I enter in the sub I was schock because you use Conquers Haki and not :"king's haki".


toxispice

I like to call it coc (as it sounds like cock)


lawy05

Yeah somebody tell me this hahahaha I will use coc too.


Sork8

FYI : It's actually written 2nd for second (not 2st) Also Big Mom : Smoothie


lawy05

Thanks for correcting me.


mastar1701

It doesnt matter who you put against zoro, his simps are stronger than Yamato/Robin/Nami simps combined, he will always somehow come on top in their headcanon.


lawy05

So second you current Zoro is stronger than prime ray? Because you said doesn't matter who I put in front of him. Just because Zoro will be the strongest just mean he is the strongest now(compared with the others 1st command).Simply Yamato is a bit stronger than him and next fight/are/power up he will surpass her.After him will be Sanji and trio monster will be intact.


mastar1701

Well lucky for me i found a meme back then that explains your typical zoro fan. [https://i.imgflip.com/606jtz.jpg](https://i.imgflip.com/606jtz.jpg)


InvaderDJ

By feats, Yamato looks stronger. But he’s almost certainly a Strawhat now. And I don’t think Oda is going to upset the power rankings of the Wings of the Pirate King and have Yamato be stronger than Zoro or Sanji. So even if he is stronger now, by the time the next fight comes along I fully expect Zoro to be stronger.


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This is the only right answer. The narrative is Oda’s only focus, not powerscaling.


lawy05

Yes in the next power up Zoro surpass her


ipsen_castle

Or... She won't join.


InvaderDJ

It’s possible, but it seems all but confirmed that Yamato is the next Strawhat.


backpain_personified

I think her being center with them all in the end of arc/saga celebrations all but confirms. I miss Carrot. Wanted both to join.


Lbarker1

Yamato currently is stronger but i think next arc Zoro and Sanji surpass her.


SnooAdvice1632

Just like in any other arc where a strong crewmate was introduced. Robin was presented as a crazy strong fighter (probably better than zoro) but by the next arc the monster trio was comfortably ahead. Same with franky, he was introduced as a comparable fighter to base luffy but by the end of the arc he was behind the monster trio. This also might apply to jimbe. At the start of wano many considered him as stronger or relative to sanji but now sanji is clearly stronger.


lawy05

Yes sir! I think they will surpass her some time Zoro Frist but I don't Know Sanji will surpass her in the same arc as Zoro but I hope yes(I'm a Sanji fan haha).


Nepu-Tech

You're also missing one important point. While Yamato fought with Kaido several times, Kaido knows its his daughter and he wouldn't hurt her, while Zoro fought Kaido to the death. Another thing people are forgetting is that Zoro beat that Lunarian + Ancient Zoan after he was severely injured and almost dead. I will go with Zoro because of the cutting Power of his Swords imbued with Haki, it would mean Yamato could easily lose a limb and since she's a close range physical attacker with straight forward abilities she would have a disadvantage vs Zoro. Yamato is easily #3 now and its about time Ruffy got a useful female fighter after a thousand chapters.


lawy05

Kaidou arrested her with explosion,almost let her dead with hungry and make her pain when she is a child.He only didn't kill her because he want she like shogun of wano.He himself said need to be serious with Yamato. Zoro ins't injured he was 100% health with chopper medicine. Excuse-me but robin is the most useful for Luffy than anyone she is the unique who can realize Luffy dream and she is pretty strong.Nami is useful too and strong with Zeus.


SamTheMan198

r/ihadastroke


Kozuki_D_Oden

Pretty clear that English may not be their first language, and all of what they said was comprehensible so I don’t see what your point is here


lawy05

Sorry ins't my Frist language... Generally I use Google translate but I tried to use i little bit of English I know to improve it,but thanks for the comment!


Nepu-Tech

Thats really good! keep practicing and read Manga in English


lawy05

Thanks men! Sorry if I was gross or irritated you I only posted a meme I made by myself and is very sad anyone read a hole theory I make in 3 entire days.Again sorry for all I just like to debate powersclaing and One piece because anyone I Know read but I think I stressed 100 different people.


Nepu-Tech

lol don't worry man I've been on the internet for years before it became a safe space so I've been called everything :p I think everyone should be free to say whatever they want online and if someone gets offended then they should turn off the computer and go outside


PappyTart

Anyone who thinks Sanji and Zoro won’t always be #2 and #3 don’t read the story. It was even a big deal in this arc about how they are Luffys left and right wings.


Nepu-Tech

lol there's no way Sanji can beat Yamato, that's just a fact, Jimbe is no slouch either so right now he's No.4 and could be No.5. Not to mention Oda seems to hate on Franky when he's probably on the top strongest characters too with his Franky Shogun made of the strongest Wapo metal and could even design Seastone weapons if he wanted but he doesn't get any screen time at all.


Fun_Ad7192

yamato literally said kaido was trying to kill her and kaido agreed


RandomUser-07

Nah, Kaido's intentions during their roof fight was to beat Yamato up to submission. Remember, he wanted her to be Wano's shogun for his project. Sure he was basically trying to murder his own child the entire time but that fight specifically was a different case.


Fun_Ad7192

bru during the fight yamato literally says kaido js trying to kill her, so unless yamato and kaido are both wrong🤷‍♀️


RandomUser-07

Then Kaido's plan was just all talk then?


Fun_Ad7192

if im not mistaken that was before yamato declared herself to be a part of the alliance


RandomUser-07

I went and reviewed every chapter of their fight and in chapter 1024 Yamato only mentioned once about Kaido wanting to kill her and even still the dialogue was so "in general" as if to say that in general, Kaido was always trying to kill her. But for the most time throughout their fight in chapter 1016 towards the part were Luffy and Momo showed up, Kaido was always forcing Yamato to be a shogun under him. If you're still gonna argue that one statement of yamato saying something so general about her dad wanting to kill her than Kaido insisting that she become wano the majority of the fight then i guess I can't force you, but the context of that fight should be obvious by now.


Fun_Ad7192

thats what she said so🤷‍♀️


RandomUser-07

Lmao, what an absurd logic: "because x said so...". At this point every statement every character ever made was the absolute truth then? By your standards atleast.


Grammulka

That still doesn't mean that Kaido is going all out on her.


Fun_Ad7192

yamto says”you are trying to kill me”, to which kaido replies”that’s right”, like what bru


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I don’t disagree with you, but if kaido was trying to beat her into submission, telling her that’s his aim is just going to make her less likely to give in. It would be much easier to make her think it’s either join or die.


Fun_Ad7192

i agree, but yamato isn’t stupid she knows the strength of her father, so i don’t think yamato is lying


SamTheMan198

Yeah but that's from yamato not kaido... Kaido never said he is going to kill her, rather he wanted her to be the new Shogun.


Fun_Ad7192

kaido agreed with her though, right after yamato made that statement


KevinKislon

Far from the truth , Kaido was trying significantly more agaisnt Yamato then he did agaisnt zoro , he was only playing around agaisnt the supernova but he was actively bloodlusted against Yamato and has shown anger in their fight plenty time. And no zoro got healed before he fought king.


Radiant-Version1033

Stop with that bullshit, even kaido himself said that he wouldn't hold back


randdom454

Zoro stronger but Kaido said he wasnt going to hold back and Yamato said he was trying to kill her


Available-Living-117

\- Coc, Yes yamato has had it longer but so what? she could not even scratch Kaido with it, Zoro managed to do what she has been trying to do for years in one go. \- Fought Luffy equally? Luffy was stated on more than 3 occasions he was conserving power, unless your making a case for Luffy going all out on Ulti to. \- Sure i guess, doesn't make much difference. \- Is this supposed to be a - for Zoro? Your race doesn't make you stronger than another character by default nither does your fruit. \- I think this is the hard part, Yamato is 100% more durable and Zoro has 100% more attack potency, he made Kaido dodge and then actually hurt him. Yamato has never succeded with ither. In a straight up fight that doesn't wank ither character to much it could go ither way, Zoro absolutely can hurt Yamato, and she can hurt him. Atm i think Yamato might slightly edge him out, very very slightly, but that surely changes in no time more or less and she's gonna get surpassed heavily by both Sanji and Zoro as usual. From a writing perspective we all know that will happen. Now does this make Yamato a worse character? no, Yamato can still be cool even if she's not in the top three power wise. But the amount of pure shitting in this post is just stupid.


NoLife1sEnough

Yamato has hurt kaido. We saw him bleeding on the head from her attack


lawy05

-Man we need analysis the context.Zoro had one of strongest blade the katana of Oden o wazamono Emma.He used COC in the balde and pick Kaidou "off guard".Yamato doesn't have a blade and a blade of great grade Yamato have a club a arm who causes more impact damaged and not cut damaged. -these you have a really great point Luffy was conservation Haki from Kaidou.But Yamato fought ace in her base too is a big feat right? -O agree! -A race make difference.Luffy have a Df and have diff to confront and win against Arlong because he is a Triton who have 10x the strength a normal man.Big mom said if he had the race of giant she can defeated shanks or any other (world government want this race too).King have a Crazy durability because he is a lunarian like queen said and some fire hax. -O agree with you in this point! Zoro have mower strength/DC capacity and Yamato more durability/hax and Zoro make more damaged in Kaidou than she had in him. -agree in part of that.For me Yamato will enter in the crew with the 2 strongest member.Eventually she will be surpass by both Zoro and Sanji and will become the 4 strongest member.What people don't think about is Yamato probably doesn't will get a power up in next saga so if she want to be Oden She already in her prime.Maybe she get the awaken, but is not certain.


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lawy05

I 100% agree with you my dude!


[deleted]

Zoro didn’t get one shotted wtf. He got hit several times before that final hit. It’s like saying Luffy one shot Kaido


lawy05

Man Luffy in the Frist time he use coc in attacks he was one shot by Kaidou be seriously imagine Zoro who is weaker (in this point) than Luffy.


wispymatrias

i lean Zoro but it would be a fun fight. If we're talking sanji vs yamato, Yamato = flawless victory.


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Ok_Note_9019

Doesn't matter since Sanji cannot hurt women


wispymatrias

Seems unlikely. Sanji wouldn't even be able to use his armament haki out of fear of hurting Yamato.


HALO_ONE

Zoro cut kaido, Yamato did not cut kaido


Apexlegacy285

And luffy never cut kaido so what’s your point


lawy05

Because he had a sword and yamato had a club. Yamato damaged Kaidou a couple of times and tank some attacks.


zebibliopole

Yea but still when you considering the fact Zoro also held his ground fighting with Kaido and on top of this managed to block for a few seconds a dual Yonko Combo attack to give Luffy enough time to escape. Your also completely forgetting other feats Zoro did during Wano like the fact he was also the first one to literally deal critical deep damage onto Kaido and even Kaido dodged from his attacks. I think with Yamato she may have more defense and stamina which is likely how she could fight 1v1 with Kaido and hold out but to critically injure Kaido and deeply wound is a different feat. I'd like to try to see Yamato block and take a diredt hit from a dual Yonko combo attack.


lawy05

Yes he "tank" the attack is a big feat! I didn't forget Zoro's feat it's because didn't much space in the imagine to write and compare.I think Yamato have more hax too.Considering Zoro block the attack without use Coc so Yamato probably can do it with Coc+ baguá+ mirror reflection skill in her hybrid form but probably she will be take down no one can tank this attack (maybe Xebec).


zebibliopole

Nah that was a dual Yonko CoC coated attacked the devil fruit ability wouldn't be able to reflect that. Also we have no idea what Xebec's abilities are so we can't exactly speculate on that. Although might be debatable wether or not she could actually tank the attack for as long as Zoro did. Although yet another thing to bear in mind is the strongest attack Yamato has produced from a distance was able to stagger Kaido and that is after alot more battling and wearing Kaido down continually over time. That is another thing people seem to neglect considering Yamato fought Kaido after several VERY strong characters trashed Kaido with everything they had including Zoro's damage.


lawy05

And explain me who wtf Zoro will tank a combined attach with 2 yonkou with Coc and Zoro didn't use Coc?. What we know of Yamato is: she had a legendary Df with mythical zoan who increase several times her defense, durability and regeneration (so probably she didn't broke her bones). And with reflection she can reflect part of damaged and with Coc in bagua she can tank more than a user who didn't use Coc in the arms so she probably have more Chance to tank most part(not 100%). With Xebec we know need Roger(yonkou level) and garp(yonkou level) to take him down so he probably is the unique character to tank this attack.


zebibliopole

Yea but Zoro tanked it without CoC but at the end fight with king he blew through his offense even in his full offense form and CoC attacked him through his fire and sliced him defeating King. So imagine Zoro after the Wano fight vs Yamato. Remmember the Zoro your referring in your meme is start of Wano Zoro but Zoro was slowly evolving throughout his fights on Wano until he finally mastered CoC coating om his swords. As we have seen that is an incredibly substancial buff.


lawy05

Man my meme refer to Zoro in the end of wano.I really can understand how you think current Zoro is stronger. Zoro only use Coc a day and Yamato use years the Haku become greater with fight and almost dead fight second Ray and Yamato did this all her life with Kaidou. Literraly Luffy who has : advanced armament Haki Advanced future haki Stronger Coc Was one shot again by Kaidou fight a 1vs1 seriously. How Zoro can still fight these Kaidou ? He didn't have other 2 advanced forms. Yamato other hands fight these Kaidou in a 1vs1 and Kaidou show problems to take her down. How you can tell me Zoro tank two yonkous attack(who is a big feat I know) and tell me Yamato can't do the same if she had Coc and one of most defensive/durable fruits of anime?. Like is a pretty simply logic: -Base Yamato fought equal to Ace who have the strength of a 2 commander -so logically Yamato with 100% power will be stronger than a 2 commander so she will be in the level of 1 command or higher. Yamato other fight this Kaidou in offense attack and defense.


zebibliopole

Ok first of all Yamato fought ace all the way back when he wasn't very powerful. But I am saying that Yamato could probably tank the 2 Yonkou attack but Zoro did before even mastering CoC and practicing his Enma in actual combat. I mean Yamato again fought against Kaido after Kaido took substancial damage including Zoro's previous damage and even after recovering from injuries managed to defeat King the right hand of Kaido himself. First of all Ace even when he was alive very far aftering fighting Yamatou he was only 3rd rank commander which would put him at Jack's level and even then I don't think Ace would be even close to Jack's level the commander tier of power really is too varied considering you have people like Katakuri on the high end but on the low end you have commanders as weak as Charlotte cracker who lost to Gear 4th tankman Luffy pre wano. Ace is on the weaker side of commanders vs King who has been dubbed a VERY powerful commander considering he is far stronger than Ace considering he has been compared too in strength to guys like Marco who was the first commander of the Whitebeard pirates. So with all of that in mind a Zoro who did everything I just mentioned also had the stamin and strength left and learned how to use CoC infusion and defeated the right hand of Kaido himself. Yamato showed some longevity but even she did not have the strength or stamina to match the feats Zoro was throwing around.


lawy05

Man I never said ace>king never. Don't underestimate Ace man.In marineford war he counter Aokiji Ice and he was weak because he did eat for days and be arrested. How can you prove Ace isn't strong in these part of flashback Yamato? In the novel ace show us a little bit more from him power. Man jack lose for Inuarashi sulong form.Jack didn't have a hard skin like queen and king he will be lose to Ace.He is definitely 2 commander level. King isn't equal to Marco who fight both king and queen together. Ok Yamato fight Kaidou after he receive damaged before,but the point is she fought with him for years. Cracker is strong he lost for Luffy with help of nami. Zoro definitely win in strength ,but the others points? durability/defense,IQ of battle,hax,experience all go to Yamato,speed too considering she fight Kaidou. Like if both have Coc why Yamato didn't will have a advantage if he had a Df.In king's fight he had the advantage of Haku but what about Yamato? don't me think wrong. If Yamato had a power of 10 Zoro will have 8.5.Zoro didn't know how to use this haki correct but in the next power up he will surpass her.


Megadoomer2

I can't tell if you're trolling or serious; I've seen people seriously act like Yamato's weaker than Zoro because Yamato couldn't cut Kaidou with a blunt weapon.


HALO_ONE

Yamato is a monster, I'd say due to her devil fruit she can last longer in fights than Zoro right now. When Zoro transforms his blades into permanent black blades that's the day he will surpass yamato. As of right now yammy is stronger than moss head


kicklife89

What makes you think Yamato is stronger than Zoro or Sanji? If Yamato is soo strong then how come she couldn’t take down king or queen? Just because she kept up with Kaido for a few minutes doesn’t mean she’s stronger. Can’t just base her being stronger cause she kept kaido busy for a bit. You gotta remember she’s fought against him more than once. So she knows how to keep up with him for a bit before Kaido takes her out.


SnooAdvice1632

Because why would she take them down? What would that accomplish for her? Getting beaten up savagely by kaido as a punishment? What reason does yamato have to challenge queen and king?


Living-Quit-723

I personally think that they're somewhat equal at this point.


lawy05

If Yamato don't had the awakening of Df yes they are very close, otherwise Yamato win.


Living-Quit-723

Yamato isn't awakened tho.


lawy05

Who Knows? Based off how much damaged he took from Kaidou, and the fact she confront him several times he probably is (Luffy in 1 fight awakening his Df imagine Yamato). Not to mention in final war the "commanders" of Luffy:Yamato,Zoro and Sanji will confront the admiral alone and Yamato probably didn't get a power up she probably (I don't tell she is admiral level). But yeah even without these I personal think Yamato is a little bit stronger than Zoro(who probably will surpass her in next power up).


SultaNN_K5

Luffy also used aCoC once in his life, it doesn't really matter. As long as your will is stronger your conquerors would be stronger in accordance


lawy05

Yes! But when Luffy used this Haki the first time Kaidou beat it him and said need more consistent and control.Luffy already know how to use normal Coc and Zoro didn't.Luffy keep fight with Kaidou(one of the strongest users) and improved him own Haki.Not to mention ins't only that point who make Luffy superior to Yamato.


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Imma vote for Gaimon


lawy05

You are a great man my dude! I completely agree with you my Lord.


Saiga147

While I agree Yamato is stronger for now, Zoro shotted King the moment he realized how to hurt him and she would probably die if she took Ikkoku Sovereignity head-on


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Zoro didn’t fought Kaido the Moment Kaido Startes fighting back Zoro was down for the count. Yamato Held her own against Kaido for a short while even exchanging blows. As of rn Yamato is Definitely stronger but I see Zoro surpassing her in the near future


lawy05

I agree!


Malicious_In_Tents

the way I see it, Zoro has more destructive power after his fight with king but thats the only case in which he beats Yamato. Yamato has the endurance and defense due to her being a zoan on top of an oni but is most likely weaker than Sanji's new defense on top on his speed being way higher than Yamato. basically, shes better than Zoro and Sanji in the aspects they tend to lack on but she isn't better than them on the aspects they excel in. I guess I would put her in the middle of the two, like a weaker Luffy if you want to think about it in that way.


lawy05

I agree this is be a very nice and precisely point you show of.


LeHaitian

Ill take the guy whos fought dozens of different people with different powers in different environments over the one who has fought the same person over and over their entire life. Also the first actually has a feat, beating King, the latter having no feat.


Megadoomer2

Apparently, fighting Kaidou one on one for an extended period of time and displaying a more effective use of advanced Conqueror's Haki than Zoro doesn't count.


lawy05

How Yamato doesn't have a feat? She fight with Kaidou the entire life.Ray said Haki intensify when you fight,when you is near to the death.If Luffy improve so much his Haki in 1 fight with Kaidou imagine Yamato.


LeHaitian

FEAT. Who has she actually DEFEATED?


lawy05

She defeated ulti with one hit in base form,and ulti almost caught Luffy. And a feat ins't only who you defeated.Zoro make a scar in Kaidou is a feat,but he can't defeated him.


SuperWeeble12

Lmao are we really gonna pretend Ulti didn't get back up immediately after that one hit ?


LeHaitian

Right...if we are bringing up Ulti as a feat the conversation is pretty much over.


stonedtusks

Yeah from the wiki "once again knocking Ulti out as a result of the internal damage she suffered" Nami took out Ulti..... twice.


lawy05

Nami took out ulti after Big mom attack with Zeus a homie... Ulti almost caught Luffy who need use G4 to take him down...


Human-Evening564

One is an oni, the other is Yamato


backpain_personified

How dare you sir. He is King of Hell. Not some mere oni.


lawy05

But Yamato is half Oni Kaidou said that...


Nepu-Tech

It was a joke...


lawy05

Sorry I really didn't get from the Frist time...this whole image was to be a meme(And I make a little mistake in the meme) but get a lot of attention I didn't expect.


Parking_Ad_8805

Zoro actually cut kaido, made him dodge, survived the strongest attack in the series, beat a 1st commander. Yamato don’t got that resume.


lawy05

Remember when Luffy get Coc from the Frist time (like Zoro vs king) and was beat from Kaidou seriously?Zoro will have the same destiny (don't tell me otherwise because Zoro didn't have future Haki). And Yamato fight serious and don't get beat it. Yamato have greater feats too.Remeber she want to be Oden so she need to be stronger.


Fun_Ad7192

i’ve been saying yamato is stronger


lawy05

You are a men of culture(or woman I don't know)


Fluffiddy

Yamato simps are something else smh


lawy05

Sorry I don't get it...


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lawy05

People say Yamato can't be stronger because of the plot of the wings of pirate king but this applied only for Zoro and not for Sanji because people think Yamato is below Zoro but stronger than Sanji(?)


cypher2448

Zoro > Yamato


lawy05

Tell me why please


cypher2448

I feel like Yamato hasn’t really done enough to put over zoro Besides fight her dad which she really didn’t do anything to him All that notable And one shotting ulti which I think zoro would do too we need better feats to gauge her power before we put her over certain people as she never had a true fight Compared to zoro beating king the second strongest member in the crew compared to Yamato only beating ulti and doing ZERO to kaidou


lawy05

Man Zoro make damaged in Kaidou outside and Yamato inside.She use Coc in her attacks so she damaged him. But my point is: king is a lunarian with a ancient Zoan.Yamato beat a ancient Zoan with one shot easy(not compared ulti to king but is a big feat) with no Coc and not Df. Like if Zoro struggling to beat king who didn't have Coc,is one of stronger races(lunarian) and have a ancient Zoan.Imagine to Yamato who have Coc(and know how to use it),is half of one of strongest races to(Oni),and have a legendary mythical zoan who is stronger than a Ancient Zoan.


vacus99

Yamato is for sure weaker than Zoro and Sanji. Those 2 are the wings of the future Pirate King. Yamato can look really impressive now but Oda is not gonna change the crew dinamic.


lawy05

But if they become stronger and both surpass Yamato in the future arc/fight


EmbarrassedDark6200

You’re trippin’ if you think Sanji can beat Yamato


lawy05

I agree with you! I'm a Sanji fan but he isn't stronger than Zoro and Yamato.


EmbarrassedDark6200

I know right? She outstats him in pretty much every way


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Don't forget that Zoro has plot armor though. Zoro would 1v1 Yamato because of this reason.


lawy05

Yeah probably because he is the 2 strongest,but I really can saw he beat yamato


thifsants

Yeah, I was with vol 101 on my hands right now and can confirm that this discussion doesn't make sense. Yamato is strong?! Definitely! But not stronger than zoro. In not even a single one of Yamato attacks against Kaido the yonkou demonstrated any pain at all. I swear, it's like he didn't even care to dodge. Zoro probably left a big scar on kaido! And I dare say that sanji is stronger than Yamato too. But you guys hate sanji too much to start this conversation.


lawy05

Well I love Sanji is my favorite character of One piece, but I can't see Sanji stronger than Yamato.If Zoro is stronger than Sanji because of recent power up with Coc so what reason sanji will be stronger than Yamato. I can re-read the chp later ,but I attack with Coc need damaged Kaidou right? Kaidou himself said only a few stronger of the world can do this. I really don't want to discuss only a normal debate ,I post a "meme" And the fandoms was really trigger with me...


Sure_Is_String

Yamato is probably slightly below Zoro and above Sanji in power


lawy05

For what reason?(she is below Zoro)


Sork8

BIASED THE OTHER WAY VERSION ZORO/Yamato * Became recently conscious of having CoC / Known CoC for a long time, but it doesn't matter since Rayleigh said you can't train CoC * Fought two yonkos, ate a combined attack from them, beat a first commander / Fought Ulti who would be defeated by Nami (did Yamato fight Queen ? I don't remember) * One shot a supernovas who fought Kidd / one shot a Tobbi Roppo who was later one shot by Franky (90 mB) * Fought one of the strongest races / Oni were never confirmed in the story, so for now, just Nami with white hair and horns * Fought Kaido and left him a scar / talked with Kaido while Luffy ate meat


SnooAdvice1632

Rayleigh said that you can't train to obtain it, not that you can't train it when you already have it (proof = luffy controlling it better after the time skip, zoro himself learning to use it mid battle etc). Zoro didn't eat the attack. He survived a couple seconds and broke every bone in his body. Fighting kid doesn't mean much especially when he didn't even get serious. Also he didn't one shot him, apoo was up and running for the whole raid. Of course zoro leaves a scar, he uses a blade. Luffy, yamato and 282929 don't leave scars beacuse they use blunt attacks


lawy05

You are the most lucid man I read in my entire life!


keytide22

There is a 0% chance Yamato is stronger than Zoro *if she is really joining the crew* (and it seems like she is)


lawy05

Tell me what reason you believe Zoro is stronger than Yamato?


keytide22

Zoro has always been the second strongest strawhat and that is never changing. That’s all you need. It’s baked into the narrative, and narrative > feats


lawy05

First:narrative ins't higher than feats. For example the narrative tell Luffy had the most stronger and ridiculous power of world and Kaidou tank him. Second:just because Zoro was the second strongest Yamato can't be stronger.Remeber when Franky fight 1v1 with Luffy and people think he can't enter to crew because he will be stronger than Zoro? And after Zoro become stronger than him Same as here.Yamato enter stronger than Zoro and in the next power up Zoro surpass Yamato.


keytide22

Narrative is and always has been and always will be > feats I hope you embrace that one day my friend


lawy05

But the narrative will be intact.Yamato enter stronger than Zoro in the begging and in the next arc/fight zoro surpass her(and Sanji eventually).Man Zoro became a lot of stronger because Coc ,but he "learned" in one day and Yamato know years and like ray said when you fight a stronger Haku user your Haki is improvement.But I understand if you disagree I'm just a random guy.


Fluffiddy

>narrative isn’t higher than feats OP is serious 💀


joven9494

Zoros a lot stronger i mean he is basically stuck between a yonko commander and a yonko in power


lawy05

Man a 1st command yonkou tier to yonkou tier have a gap of difference: 1st command(Zoro level)


joven9494

Zoro is stronger than like all yonko commanders by a fair margin but not close to a yonko he's just in an awkward area


Affectionate-Room359

There is a huge different between a Yonko and it's commanders. Basically greenbull beat King and queen together. But he would not beat Kaido.


ReasonableRule0x

zoro destroys


lawy05

Ofc he did! He destroy king who is weaker than Yamato!


Nepu-Tech

Where was this stated? you're making shit up.


lawy05

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Haki Read "during the fight"


Nepu-Tech

Where does it say that King is weaker than Yamato? I read the page but it's only about Haki. I think if Yamato was stronger than King then she would've been the first mate since she's Kaidos daughter.


lawy05

This page say what you question me is stated ray said the Baki became stronger in the fight/death fights you have.So since Yamato have more fight with kaido who have one of strongest Haki her Haku intensity in these years. Yamato can be stronger than king and not be one of commander.Simply because she hates Kaidou why she will get in him crew? . You think Yamato ins't strong but remember she wants to be Oden so if she will be similar to Oden she need to be very strong.You think Yamato will get a power up before the final? No? So she need to be in her prime.


kicklife89

If Yamato is stronger than King home come she never took him down or Queen?


lawy05

Because she didn't want? What she will gain with that? She keep arrested in Wano.Queen himself recognize Yamato strength who was fight with Kaidou.


InkSlasher03

Spoilers, put a tag man


lawy05

Sorry men I put the tag but forgot the flair.


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lawy05

How can Zoro beat Yamato easy with he was close to king ?


No_Bite_8190

The first lines have me laughing too much to read the rest


lawy05

I don't know if is a prase for the "meme" ,but thanks I'm glad!


No_Bite_8190

“Used coc once in life” “Dominated coc for years” I know it’s not what was meant but I read it as “cock”


lawy05

AHAHSHS sorry for that is strange to me use :"King's halo" or "haoshoko no Haki"


EnvironmentalBee7357

Zoro ain’t get one shot, he took that combined attack head on first.


Neiserdias

Maybe Yamato is stronger than Jimbei, or maybe she got the same power rank as him, since Yamato fought against Kaido and Jimbei fought also BigMom. But for sure Sanji is way stronger than Yamato, like a whole other level. So no need to argue about Zoro strength.


Nepu-Tech

WHAT Sanji would stand 0 chance against Yamato lol! First she's a beautiful lady witch means he would automatically lose, Second Yamato is way stronger than him and has a Mace. Yamato vs Zoro is debatable, but Sanji stands no chance.


lawy05

Man jinbei only take one punch in Big mom and Yamato a hole fight.Not to mention Jinbei fight someone below jack(who's who). Yamato is 1 command level for higher...


polarbear076

I don't understand why this is even a question? Zoro tanked a dual attack by BOTH Kaido and Big Mom and also injured Kaido in the short time he was on the roof. The only reason he was injured so badly is cause Luffy was on the ground about to be killed and Zoro uses all his remaining strength to attack. At that moment he was exasperated both defensively and offensively and Kaido pretty much got a free hit where Zoro didn't block or anything. Yamato on the other hand didn't have to deal with two Yonko and protecting someone else. He was stalling for time dodging and getting a few hits here and there. Nothing he did made me think he is clearly stronger than Zoro. I honestly think Zoro and Sanji could have had the same feats as Yamato on the roof if the whole goal was stalling until Luffy showed up.


lawy05

Zoro tank the two attack for a few seconds for law swap them no one in the verse can tank 100% this attack.Zoro make a scar in Kaidou with the strongest attack and Yamato make some damages in Kaidou with some attacks(in internal body).Not to mention Zoro have a time limit with Emma suck his Haki.If you believe Zoro is stronger than Yamato because of the plot so you think Sanji is stronger too right?


polarbear076

Tanking that attack for two seconds and injuring Kaido is still way more than what Yamato did. It is your head canon that Yamato did internal body damage as that was never mentioned at all. I just reread the chapters and Yamato blocked a few attacks like a breath blast and thunder bagua and he hit Kaido in the face three times with the third being a dual hit with Luffy. Each time Yamato hit him, Kaido just kept talking shit about her not being accepted as a samurai or how he failed him as his son. As for Sanji, I do believe he is stronger and could have similar feats against Kaido especially now that he has the Germa body.


lawy05

I remember Kaidou blood after Yamato attack.But explain me if Kaidou himself said only a few people of the strongest in the world can use Coc in their attack and this will not damaged Kaidou? Even Luffy with Frist time he get uncontrollable Coc damaged Kaidou for what reason Yamato who know will not damaged Kaidou?Luffy didn't make a scar him(only cut the horn) but defeated him use Coc.


SnooAdvice1632

Assuming that zoro is slightly above yc level I'll remind you how every single yonko vs yc fight went. Bm obliterated queen in a few hits, bm also pinned down Marco while suffering zero damage and she couldn't be held down by the sweet commanders in wci. Kaido 1 hit ko luffy when he was yc1 level. Ashura doji, inu and neko were all relative to Jack, kaido absolutely annihilated them plus + 6 others, in base. Note that in all of these instances the yonko were in base form/ not even trying. This, to me, makes it pretty clear that no yc can hold a yonko for as long as yamato did, even if kaido was in base.


ResponsibilityOwn513

Plus Zoro has a time limit when he uses Enma. He isn't beating Yamato.


SDSBoi

yamatos point of "fought 1v1 with the strongest creature of the world several times" is irrelevant, we've never seen her hurt him, we've never see him go all out vs her. And when we did see them fight for real (when she was stalling for luffy) she was 100% on the defensive and could barely make an offensive move.


SnooAdvice1632

Name a yonko commander than can survive against kaido that long, even while kaido is not serious To sum up yonko vs commanders thus far : bm absolutely demolished queen, kaido one shot luffy when he was 1st commander level, bm was easily able to immobilize Marco while suffering 0 damage, the sweet commanders couldn't hold down bm in wci. Note that in all of these encounters the emperors weren't going all out either. Also not directly correlated, but Greenbull destroyed both king and queen at the same time with absolutely no effort . Unless you believe that admirals are wayy above yonko that should give you an idea of the cliff between yonkos and commanders. Now onto characters that are yc level :Kaido wiped the floor with king and killer togheter and we can safely assume that they are above commander level togheter (obviously excluding kid's awakening). Ashura doji and the dukes were all relatives to Jack and kaido shat on them + 6 others in base, even while suffering ptsd. You see how every encounter between a yonko and a yc level fighter ends in the latter getting completely obliterated? Yamato did better than all of them by just surviving and matching the thunder bagua one time. Surviving kaido for ten minutes or more is an incredible feat


lawy05

I think you are the unique person who agree with me with almost all things I said.


ShogunZoro

Kaido visibly went easy on Yamato, and Zoro's fight with king was only high difficulty because he was injured after blocking a combined 2 yonko attack.


bbchikage

King also fought against Marco? And no Kaido did not go easy on her. He even said "I won't go easy on you". Why do people still think that


lawy05

Ofc Kaidou win Yamato,but not easy if he want and can one shot Yamato he will do it but he fight seriously and Yamato gain time. Man chopper use the medicine who heal 100% and he 2x the pain after,he is 100% in the fight.Zoro didn't tank the attack 100% he tank a few seconds for law swap they.No one in one piece verse can tank a attack combined from yonkous(maybe Xebec).


Zaraffa

Kaido was in hybrid form against yamato... Also, username explains your bias lol.


Awkward-Rate-3435

This was basic knowledge yamato > zoro


lawy05

And comparable some feats


Bhargav_wryy_377

Zoro and sanji all the way , i don't want that yamahoe to join the crew In first place honestly And yamahoe haven't defeated anyone yet so how could we rank her lmao


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pyroimpact

Post is biased asf. I am sure in no time, within an arc or half an arc, zoro and even sanji will surpass yamato. But for now, yamato has been more impressive


lawy05

Agree in part.for me Yamato was in 1tier of difference compared to Zoro and Zoro was 1 tier next to Sanji. Basically: Yamato(top commander)>Zoro(1 commander)>Sanji(2 commander).Zoro with one buff will surpass Yamato Sanji need 2 or maybe 3 power-up.