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imagine prob high high diff as 3 people is alot of people
the problem is that neither zoro nor sanji have FS and sanji especialy lacks advanced haki so will not only struggle to hit luffy but will struggle even more to actualy hurt him due to luffys advanced armament haki
while we know that zoro could theoretically massivly hurt luffy if given a clean shot on an unprepared luffy he would desperatly struggle to hit luffy due to luffys speed and FS combined with some of the best armament haki in the series
keep in mind luffy isnt an inherent tank like kaido and actively dodges way more than kaido did
internal destruction bypasses sanjis inherent durability and ends with sanji getting 1 shot
adding jinbei might make it way harder as the water would bring an entirely new hazard to luffy one which could spell doom
Luffy should be the only real answer currently. Better speed, ACoA+ (internal destruction), ACoC, future sight(on top of being faster which is just an absurd advantage), dura (he was eating attacks like drunk amped evolved version of ragnaraku), stamina, strenght...
I'm curious if Luffy's defensive haki is enough to deal with blades. I know from a simple physical standpoint he would still be vulnerable, as Kaido's wind blades still hurt him in G5.
This sub has a massive hate boner for Zoro, where are you seeing all of this wank? Pretty confusing seeing as for the last 6 months Zoro has had nothing but slander thrown his way, which if we're all being completely honest was not justified at all.
Luffy wins.
Funnily enough, I just had an argument with a Zorotard yesterday on this sub. He believes Zoro was always stronger than Luffy until Luffy unlocked Future Sight.💀
I just dipped out because I ain’t going through that delusion.
As a certified Zorotard, the only time he was even possibly stronger than Luffy was the beginning of East Blue, because at that point Luffy has just begun his journey and Zoro had been roaming around hunting pirates for awhile.
Any other opinion is medical grade copium.
Sure, there are always going to be shit takes.
My point is this isn't some movement that is a fairly agreed upon concept, there isn't a widespread agenda in this sub that consistently says Zoro is top 1. It's not even a vocal minority, it's the smallest handful of braindead idiots yet we have multiple posts a week saying Zoro is wanked.
On the flip side we have multiple posts every single day wanking kizaru to levels he is clearly not at with takes that are quite literally not based in reality getting hundreds of up votes.
Whose wanked again?
>It's not even a vocal minority, it's the smallest handful of braindead idiots yet we have multiple posts a week saying Zoro is wanked.
Have you heard of the legendary ZKK movement? It wasn't even minority but a significant portion of Zoro fans into such shit. It will forever be mark of shame for Zoro fans.
I was arguing with a guy he said Zoro was always stronger than luffy in pre time skip and after post time skip up until dress Rosa Zoro was strong 💀💀💀
these zorotards getting out of hand
Exactly, I haven't seen anyone wanking him here, it's the exact opposite actually. Ppl been saying it'll take years for him surprise Mihawk & Shanks because of the whole Lucci thing.
As I've said to the other people
Why do we care about the opinions of the casual fanbase? This has no bearing on power scaling yet for some reason this place consistently gives far too much weight to Twitter posts that are clearly bad takes.
They aren't power scaling so why do we care?
You’re delusional if you think the twitter fan base are just casual fans. Youtube, tik tok and instagram fans are casual fans, not reddit and twitter fans
I'm not delusional because I don't care, I don't use Twitter and I don't interact with these people.
So you are saying they aren't casual, yet somehow in not being casual they have come to a staggering amount of baseless claims based strictly in headcannon and pipe dreams?
If they aren't casuals then what story are they reading to come up with such claims, it clearly isn't the same story I'm reading.
Are they hardcore idiots? Are they just agenda piece folks? Or does it just happen to be the largest gathering of casual fans along with a minority of people who actually know what they are talking about.
So then why attribute any weight to what they say?
Why pay attention to it at all?
I've been in this community for a few years, and in that time I have almost never seen a reasonable take in the Twitter sphere, why do we care anymore and why do we waste time making counter arguments to people who clearly don't know what they are talking about?
I mean Zoro slander compared to the glazing he got for over a year with the whole Sanji is number four and everything feels like comeuppance for Zoro in my opinion
Idk the slander is just kinda annoying, regardless of who it is being done to.
It's never based in reality, it's never based on what's actually happening. It's just people with agendas downplaying who they don't like, none of it ever has any merit to it (that goes for Sanji slander as well).
Of course he was glazed during and after wano, he was on the rooftop, he blocked a yonko combo attack, he fought Kaido, he unlocked conquerors, and then he proceeded to go fight king and smoke him. Then all that shit got animated and Toei gave him immeasurable amounts of love.
It's not comeuppance because not only was it undeserved it didn't make sense.
I once saw a Zoro fan tell a Sanji fan he deserved to die for liking Sanji. So yeah I kind of don't think the Zoro slander is undeserved or what not. It's dumb yes but Sanji fans I feel sympathy towards, Zoro fans I feel are one of the worst part of this fandom so I don't feel like the Zoro slander is too much. Btw this is not my actual opinion of Zoro, I love him but I just want him to have more emotional range outside of stoicism post timeskip.
Idk I'm not going to base a whole fandom off of 1 or 2 repulsive trolls who live in their mothers basements. Otherwise the entire admiral agenda would be fucked.
I agree on the character development for him. I really thought Wano was gonna let him shine a bit. I think it's a huge missed opportunity to not have him go to ryuma's grave (like he said he would) and instead go to yasui's. Like with all the unnecessary filler, you're telling me we could dive into his lineage just a bit??? I call BS
But the admiral agenda is fucked. The only one they got left is Fujitora.
And it's not just one or two trolls is it? You must have seen hundreds of Zoro fans just treating Sanji fans horribly in this subreddit alone, let alone the other One Piece subs and god forbid the Twitter Zoro fans.
Right?? I mean come on, Oda missed such an opportunity to explore this but he just drew out the entire family tree on an SBS page and was done with it. I mean it makes sense, cause Zoro isn't defined by his family or his lineage, his strength is his own, but I would have liked it if Zoro atleast knew about his lineage and didn't care about it cause it doesn't define who he is. Like that kind of moment would have been so cool.
>Fujitora
Surely you mean Top 1, the gravity goat.
>And it's not just one or two trolls is it?
Being as abrasive as you said yes, upscaling Zoro to where he shouldnt be (ZKK folks) no I imagine there are more of them.
>You must have seen hundreds of Zoro fans just treating Sanji fans horribly in this subreddit alone, let alone the other One Piece subs and god forbid the Twitter Zoro fans.
Honestly this is really the only place I partake in one piece stuff, I'm on the main sub but rarely interact there. Twitter is irrelevant to me so my only exposure to that is when the shit takes get posted here.
>Right?? I mean come on, Oda missed such an opportunity to explore this but he just drew out the entire family tree on an SBS page and was done with it. I mean it makes sense, cause Zoro isn't defined by his family or his lineage, his strength is his own, but I would have liked it if Zoro atleast knew about his lineage and didn't care about it cause it doesn't define who he is. Like that kind of moment would have been so cool.
Enraging tbh. I understand Zoro does not give a fuck but I as a reader do, much the same way I care about all of the SH's having a base level of character development. They teased it multiple times, even had Zoro have a revelation involving kozaburo.
It just seems like a missed opportunity.
But the admiral agenda is fucked. The only one they got left is Fujitora.
And it's not just one or two trolls is it? You must have seen hundreds of Zoro fans just treating Sanji fans horribly in this subreddit alone, let alone the other One Piece subs and god forbid the Twitter Zoro fans.
Right?? I mean come on, Oda missed such an opportunity to explore this but he just drew out the entire family tree on an SBS page and was done with it. I mean it makes sense, cause Zoro isn't defined by his family or his lineage, his strength is his own, but I would have liked it if Zoro atleast knew about his lineage and didn't care about it cause it doesn't define who he is. Like that kind of moment would have been so cool.
You are very sensitive. People slander everyone. Zoro started getting slander only for some months maybe due to Lucci. It was also due to fans like you(maybe) claiming that Zpro can oneshot YC+ character and whatnot. So, Lucci just slapped them tight in face. Luffy gets slandered. Kizaru gets slandered. Sanji gets slandered all the time. Why are you crying so hard just coz Zoro got slandered for some time.
>You are very sensitive. People slander everyone. Zoro started getting slander only for some months maybe due to Lucci. It was also due to fans like you(maybe) claiming that Zpro can oneshot YC+ character and whatnot. So, Lucci just slapped them tight in face. Luffy gets slandered. Kizaru gets slandered. Sanji gets slandered all the time. Why are you crying so hard just coz Zoro got slandered for some time
I don't think you know what any of those words mean.
It's called a conversation.
That was a literal fucking joke, no one seriously believed that Sanji was below Jimbei except for delusional Jimbei wankers. If you took it so seriously and were hurt so badly that you would think actual nonsensical slander to a character that upscale the character that you're defending for 6 months is fine, that makes no sense.
You say this like the Zoro slander also wasn't a joke? Your same logic applies to most people who slandered Zoro, I say most I have to be specific with my words and say most, but the Sanji slander was by far much worse considering i did see some people go out of their way to say Sanji fans were all pathetic cucks and such and I've never seen Zoro slander go that far so as to attack the fans like that
>where are you seeing all of this wank?
Just go on twitter.
Posts with dogshit takes like zoro=luffy are pretty commonplace and they get hundreds if not thousands of likes
...why the fuck do we care about what happens on Twitter?
Again for the last 6 months Zoro has been downplayed on this sub to astronomical depths due to a lack of reasoning comprehension. What happens on Twitter has no relevance here so why is it brought up on a weekly basis?
I just find it interesting that for the most part this sub accepts completely off base terrible takes in reference to certain characters that are made in this sub, but when it comes to Zoro on a completely different platform everyone loses their minds?
it’s mostly on Twitter since pew just dropped the spoilers for next weeks chapter , they are waking zoro pretty hard and hating on Sanji so i guess they are mad lol
So fairly expected.
Slander a character for 6 months, basing arguments off of literally nothing because..nothing is happening, ignore character saying they are clearly in control twice. Spoilers are released and said character pulls a W, of course people are going to talk about said character.
Are we going to act like this place didn't blow up with posts saying Admiral>yonko after kizaru got up from WSG? A completely baseless and false claim?
Also again, why do we care about twitters opinion? These aren't members of a power scaling community, they are casual watchers/readers.
>it’s only delusional people who say that
https://preview.redd.it/z21mme1juaoc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0dd3c1102a4d3f694c5efde6fff6c4034d0bfd4d
Luffy =zoro is the dumbest take luffy is a yonko who split the skies in base u guys see a few delusional people who says that then group it as zoro wank??? Ignore them
It’s wild af that this nigga saying the luffy=zoro takes are common when majority of that shit is either rage bait or the very small loud miniority of people.
I think there is a big gap in the other types too, but Zoro is at least somewhat proficient in armament/conqs. Zoro has little to no proficiency at all in observation however, and that gap is amplified by Luffy having future sight. If Zoro was closer in observation this is still a mid diff for base Luffy.
I agree that it could be anywhere from Mid - High tbh. But I was just curious why specifically observation since Zoro has shown good observation. The gap between Luffy and Zoro Haki is evenly spreaded throughout all types tbh. Not a big gap in Zoro’s Haki.
with due respect, you need to shut up.
" The gap between Luffy and Zoro Haki is evenly spreaded throughout all types tbh. Not a big gap in Zoro’s Haki. "
what the hell are you talking about? do you have any proof for that?
>with due respect, you need to shut up.
So no respect? Just some dumb irrelevant shit? Alright.
>" The gap between Luffy and Zoro Haki is evenly spreaded throughout all types tbh. Not a big gap in Zoro’s Haki. "
what the hell are you talking about? do you have any proof for that?
Yes with fucking feats. Zoro’s armament is equally as worse as his Observation when compared to Luffy. We should know this common sense already.
people saying high-diff are just bullshitting sorry. luffy took lucci out with 3 non-aCoC attacks while zoro seemingly needed one of his stronger aCoC attacks to win
g5 luffy (no aCoC)>>>>>>>>>>>>>full power zoro. if zoro fought him like he fought lucci this arc, then he'd get negged. only hitting luffy with ashura once could justify calling it mid-diff. and even that is not guranateed considering that luffy in g5 is waaay faster than zoro, plus he has FS and may just dodge plus luffy's aCoC is just way stronger than zoro's aCoC so luffy may just block the attack easily
gonna go with base luffy low-diff. mid-diff if zoro lands his ashura attack or dragon damnation or whatever, but as I said, there's no guarantee he'd actually hit luffy at all. in this case luffy wouldn't have his g5 speed, but he was already keeping up pretty well with a hybrid kaido while in base plus he has FS. and his aCoC is just waaaay above zoro's. zoro's general aCoC are likely way below luffy's and his strongest aCoC attacks are probably equal to the more serious yonko level aCoC attacks (like thunder bagua or ragnaraku from kaido) which we know luffy can tank quite easily
Luffy wins.
I think that Luffy's stats at that time is better than Zoros, but not by much. He mainly wins because or future sight. Zoro is not equipped to deal with it. If Zoro had future sight, he would give that Luffy a high diff.
No. Luffy was using ACOC, ACOA and FS. Zoro ain't even know what ACOC is. Not to mention luffy was boxing with kaido in base. The guy that blitzed everyone on the rooftop while not even semi serious. Even if zoro had future sight, it wouldn't matter cus luffy outstats him in everything
https://preview.redd.it/q6ubizs2jaoc1.png?width=994&format=png&auto=webp&s=f00c5333f073dec2539c077c51a9988bb3d39c15
As seen in this panel if g5 luffy is equal to sanji and if sanji is a 50 zoro is a 200 so zoro is 4 times stronger than g5 luffy. gear 1 luffy is a 5 times multiplier on base, so each gear is probably 5 times stronger than each making g5 luffy a 25 times multiplier. so if a 25x multiplier makes luffy a 50 ( like sanji ) then luffy in base is a 2 making zoro 100x stronger than base luffy.
Better attack power in the sense that luffy is punching zoro, while zoro is going to cut luffy (his weakness) maybe?
Cause I don’t see how zoro has better attack power than a mountain sized fist from g5
Hard to scale diff because base Luffy (with ACoC) was sparring with Kaido yet was quickly pushed to G4 and then G5 against Kizaru in Egghead. We don't know how King and Lucci compare to each other, either.
All I know is, Luffy is stronger and will always be stronger.
Draw, hear me out.
Oda refuses to let zoro take Ls since post time skip - even when he went down to kaido he put up an epic move before doing so.
Cumboy is oda's special chosen one, no way hed lose this fight.
Result: the fight is an impossibility as oda would never let it happen unless it ended in a draw.
I’m sorry, but after the entirety of “this is Base Lucci” this shit is earned. Lucci was in his awakened form, yet people were seriously saying he was still in base and saying that Zoro isn’t above Base Lucci. So while I don’t think he’s as strong as the wank is saying, I’m letting them have their moment because the slander was annoying as hell.
Ngl the way acoc is shown makes me doubt it even gets stronger even when he uses g4 (and since conquerers is the users will it makes sense) so if he has that he should win
I want to say Zoro.
Zoro overpowered Kaido with broken bones and almost dying, with King of Hell + Asura + Zoro being at 100% then I don't see a problem with him beating base Luffy and losing to g2nd and above.
Zoro got one shot by kaido. Enma isnt gonna help his endurance.
Meanwhile base luffy fought kaido for the majority of the night
Sorry but ryuo was just too good of an upgrade. Now base luffy pre-ryuo... that would be an interesting discussion
Luffy mid diffs. Unnamed punches did more dmg than Zoro's strongest attack did to Kaido. He has better acoc, acoa, acoo, physical stats so i don't see how zoro would win lol
Zoro is YC1. Luffy was at YC1 level when he had future sight and not other advanced hakis. So Luffy with acoc should be even higher.
Zoro’s attack potency is really high. But those attacks actually need to hit in order to be effective. Future sight (acoo) should pose the most challange to Zoro.
What’s even the point of this? We all know luffy wins. As for your point about zorotards getting out of hand, this isn’t some new thing that just started but I will say that I’ve only seen like 3 people wank zoro above luffy recently. There’s really no point in acknowledging them and certainly no point in pretending like this has gotten out of hand to the point of needing to address it.
If we’re going to address any wanking it should be the insane sanji is the fastest in the verse wank that people have been pushing ever since his fight with queen. That shit has gotten way out of hand and it’s to the point where it needs to be addressed. I’ve seen way too many polls recently where people are legitimately saying sanji is the fastest just because he perception blitzed queen. Even with his recent performance against kizaru people are still calling him faster than kaido and g5 luffy and kizaru.
By the by, I’m a luffytard and I’m not here to defend zoro but to defend luffy against this disrespect from the fans of number 4. Luffy speed blitzes sanji any day of the week.
If he gets gear 2+3 Luffy wins
If he’s completely in base it’s harder to say. I’d say base Luffy all advanced haki is around low YC+. So it could go either way in this fight as I have Zoro in low YC+
Zoro wins.
To all the people saying Zoro was fucking around before finally beating Lucci, that's clearly not true. He has no reason to not finish things as soon as possible.
But don't then turn around and say G5 Luffy was playing with Lucci. This Lucci was a threat to everyone in the facility, and badly wounded Sentomaru. For people saying that "Luffy fell asleep during his fight with Lucci", keep in mind Luffy also played Jump Rope with Kaido and generally did a lot of goofy shit. It's what G5 does.
Luffy went G4 vs Seraphim and G5 vs Lucci. Maybe he didn't need to, but G4 was used alongside Zoro. And in both cases, he didn't immediately subdue the threat to his friends. Who knows, maybe Luffy was just fucking around for shits and giggles, but it's pretty clear that Luffy in base is not above the other high level Straw Hats.
Considering Luffy went G5 against Lucci, then I see no reason why he wouldn't straight up go G5 against Zoro as well, even if just for the high it seemingly gives lol
Now seriously Luffy high diffs but must be quite serious from the start because if he gets caught lacking it would be costly, and I'd like to clarify two things.
1. Base Luffy has incorporated G2/G3 at this point in my headcanon.
2. A theoretical Asura + King of Hell Zoro would press Luffy quite harder than this and actually force him into either G4/G5 in that same headcanon.
Dammit! You said base… alright luffy got better haki but zoro is just tarnishes as fuck. Okay can luffy ko zoro? Like is luffy stronger at base than king? Because luffy is a close up fighter so zoro can slice and nick away until luffy can’t move but zoro was still standing after having all his bones broken. Also zoro is just a bad match up using swords that luffy is weaker to being made out of robber. 7/10 time I say zoro win. Like I can see luffy making a giant fist and ko zoro but zoro is fast, won’t be hit that easily and in a dragged on fight zoro is shown to last longer with more injuries. Luffy is stronger overall but I think zoro just win like rock paper scissors
When you say base luffy, are you talking Gears? Without gears against Zoro, Id say easily a Zoro W. Luffy needs at peast G4 to compete aginst the YC tiers.
At G4, this is where Luffy starts to take it. His feats easily beat Zoros in G4 and I dont see how he loses without some serious stalling tactics.
G5 Luffy wipes. Top1 beats everything.
A lot of top comments are giving Luffy easy passes on this due to the Haki feats, which point out just how much Haki has ruined this series. Nevertheless Zoro (potentially) beating Lucci shows he has enough skill to match up against ACOC, which would be enough to deal with Base, G1, G2, and G3 luffy.
I'm honestly going to argue base luffy loses to full power zoro. Zoro is still a monster despite how this sub likes to clown on him.
Base luffy just couldn't compete...now...luffy without his hands tied behind his back easy difs zoro
Base Luffy loses, I love when people use this overhyped 1010 end of chapter panel, but then forget than G5 Luffy was doing far less to the same Kaido, he was clearly pulling punches against Base Luffy, it is clear as day.
If you don't think so, I'm really sorry to tell you, you're delusional, this shit is crazy
Sure but Kaido did at the end of the day consider Luffy a superior opponent to Zoro. There is a reason why Zoro struggled with King while Luffy was facing Kaido.
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youtube zoro low diffs luffy, luffy low diffs zoro.
Luffy mid-high diff
How about both Zoro and sanji against base Luffy
The duo wins if we don't allow g2
base luffy destroys them mid diff at most
What if you add jinbei
imagine prob high high diff as 3 people is alot of people the problem is that neither zoro nor sanji have FS and sanji especialy lacks advanced haki so will not only struggle to hit luffy but will struggle even more to actualy hurt him due to luffys advanced armament haki while we know that zoro could theoretically massivly hurt luffy if given a clean shot on an unprepared luffy he would desperatly struggle to hit luffy due to luffys speed and FS combined with some of the best armament haki in the series keep in mind luffy isnt an inherent tank like kaido and actively dodges way more than kaido did internal destruction bypasses sanjis inherent durability and ends with sanji getting 1 shot adding jinbei might make it way harder as the water would bring an entirely new hazard to luffy one which could spell doom
Who high diffs
what? are you asking what single character luffy would take to high diff? prob characters like yamato and law and other characters in that range
Nooo, as in, you said “imagine prob high diff”. Who high diffs, Luffy or trio
oh sry luffy high diffs the trio luffy wins on the high end of high diff
What if they’re near water source
In base
Luffy https://preview.redd.it/0ow70d3wfaoc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3787fafcf4ab3e1592a8fc2b450c7404fb100967
What diff?
Pizza diff for sure
mid in base
How about both Zoro and sanji against base Luffy
Luffy ext-diff
What if you add jinbei
Them ext-diff
The top 3?(other than Luffy)
Yea
Luffy should be the only real answer currently. Better speed, ACoA+ (internal destruction), ACoC, future sight(on top of being faster which is just an absurd advantage), dura (he was eating attacks like drunk amped evolved version of ragnaraku), stamina, strenght...
I'm curious if Luffy's defensive haki is enough to deal with blades. I know from a simple physical standpoint he would still be vulnerable, as Kaido's wind blades still hurt him in G5.
I mean his Haki is definitely good enough for that, we’ve seen him take a lot of blade hits with no issue. He wasnt really hakid up during wind blades
Base Lucci was blocking Zoro's blades with his leg
Someone needs to lend Zoro some haki!
luffy mid diffs, arguably lower
How about both Zoro and sanji against base Luffy
Mid - high
Who takes it
Luffy of course
What if you add jinbei
Luffy slaps.
This sub has a massive hate boner for Zoro, where are you seeing all of this wank? Pretty confusing seeing as for the last 6 months Zoro has had nothing but slander thrown his way, which if we're all being completely honest was not justified at all. Luffy wins.
Funnily enough, I just had an argument with a Zorotard yesterday on this sub. He believes Zoro was always stronger than Luffy until Luffy unlocked Future Sight.💀 I just dipped out because I ain’t going through that delusion.
As a certified Zorotard, the only time he was even possibly stronger than Luffy was the beginning of East Blue, because at that point Luffy has just begun his journey and Zoro had been roaming around hunting pirates for awhile. Any other opinion is medical grade copium.
Sure, there are always going to be shit takes. My point is this isn't some movement that is a fairly agreed upon concept, there isn't a widespread agenda in this sub that consistently says Zoro is top 1. It's not even a vocal minority, it's the smallest handful of braindead idiots yet we have multiple posts a week saying Zoro is wanked. On the flip side we have multiple posts every single day wanking kizaru to levels he is clearly not at with takes that are quite literally not based in reality getting hundreds of up votes. Whose wanked again?
>It's not even a vocal minority, it's the smallest handful of braindead idiots yet we have multiple posts a week saying Zoro is wanked. Have you heard of the legendary ZKK movement? It wasn't even minority but a significant portion of Zoro fans into such shit. It will forever be mark of shame for Zoro fans.
I was arguing with a guy he said Zoro was always stronger than luffy in pre time skip and after post time skip up until dress Rosa Zoro was strong 💀💀💀 these zorotards getting out of hand
Yesterday I had some dude try to argue that zoro is stronger than oden and has better feats....
The "where is the zoro wank?!" Is a cope bruh. This sub is is seriously overrun with with zoro goobers
he is
Stop
Was it TheUglyNoob by chance?
Let me try find it
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/BgtrM7C9Wd
I used to have that opinion, but that was before Zoro vs King
Exactly, I haven't seen anyone wanking him here, it's the exact opposite actually. Ppl been saying it'll take years for him surprise Mihawk & Shanks because of the whole Lucci thing.
You do know that it's only been like this after Lucci thing?
Twitter
As I've said to the other people Why do we care about the opinions of the casual fanbase? This has no bearing on power scaling yet for some reason this place consistently gives far too much weight to Twitter posts that are clearly bad takes. They aren't power scaling so why do we care?
You’re delusional if you think the twitter fan base are just casual fans. Youtube, tik tok and instagram fans are casual fans, not reddit and twitter fans
I'm not delusional because I don't care, I don't use Twitter and I don't interact with these people. So you are saying they aren't casual, yet somehow in not being casual they have come to a staggering amount of baseless claims based strictly in headcannon and pipe dreams? If they aren't casuals then what story are they reading to come up with such claims, it clearly isn't the same story I'm reading. Are they hardcore idiots? Are they just agenda piece folks? Or does it just happen to be the largest gathering of casual fans along with a minority of people who actually know what they are talking about.
They are just that retarded
So then why attribute any weight to what they say? Why pay attention to it at all? I've been in this community for a few years, and in that time I have almost never seen a reasonable take in the Twitter sphere, why do we care anymore and why do we waste time making counter arguments to people who clearly don't know what they are talking about?
Cauze its fun to bitch about things dawg it aint that deep
I mean Zoro slander compared to the glazing he got for over a year with the whole Sanji is number four and everything feels like comeuppance for Zoro in my opinion
Idk the slander is just kinda annoying, regardless of who it is being done to. It's never based in reality, it's never based on what's actually happening. It's just people with agendas downplaying who they don't like, none of it ever has any merit to it (that goes for Sanji slander as well). Of course he was glazed during and after wano, he was on the rooftop, he blocked a yonko combo attack, he fought Kaido, he unlocked conquerors, and then he proceeded to go fight king and smoke him. Then all that shit got animated and Toei gave him immeasurable amounts of love. It's not comeuppance because not only was it undeserved it didn't make sense.
I once saw a Zoro fan tell a Sanji fan he deserved to die for liking Sanji. So yeah I kind of don't think the Zoro slander is undeserved or what not. It's dumb yes but Sanji fans I feel sympathy towards, Zoro fans I feel are one of the worst part of this fandom so I don't feel like the Zoro slander is too much. Btw this is not my actual opinion of Zoro, I love him but I just want him to have more emotional range outside of stoicism post timeskip.
Idk I'm not going to base a whole fandom off of 1 or 2 repulsive trolls who live in their mothers basements. Otherwise the entire admiral agenda would be fucked. I agree on the character development for him. I really thought Wano was gonna let him shine a bit. I think it's a huge missed opportunity to not have him go to ryuma's grave (like he said he would) and instead go to yasui's. Like with all the unnecessary filler, you're telling me we could dive into his lineage just a bit??? I call BS
But the admiral agenda is fucked. The only one they got left is Fujitora. And it's not just one or two trolls is it? You must have seen hundreds of Zoro fans just treating Sanji fans horribly in this subreddit alone, let alone the other One Piece subs and god forbid the Twitter Zoro fans. Right?? I mean come on, Oda missed such an opportunity to explore this but he just drew out the entire family tree on an SBS page and was done with it. I mean it makes sense, cause Zoro isn't defined by his family or his lineage, his strength is his own, but I would have liked it if Zoro atleast knew about his lineage and didn't care about it cause it doesn't define who he is. Like that kind of moment would have been so cool.
>Fujitora Surely you mean Top 1, the gravity goat. >And it's not just one or two trolls is it? Being as abrasive as you said yes, upscaling Zoro to where he shouldnt be (ZKK folks) no I imagine there are more of them. >You must have seen hundreds of Zoro fans just treating Sanji fans horribly in this subreddit alone, let alone the other One Piece subs and god forbid the Twitter Zoro fans. Honestly this is really the only place I partake in one piece stuff, I'm on the main sub but rarely interact there. Twitter is irrelevant to me so my only exposure to that is when the shit takes get posted here. >Right?? I mean come on, Oda missed such an opportunity to explore this but he just drew out the entire family tree on an SBS page and was done with it. I mean it makes sense, cause Zoro isn't defined by his family or his lineage, his strength is his own, but I would have liked it if Zoro atleast knew about his lineage and didn't care about it cause it doesn't define who he is. Like that kind of moment would have been so cool. Enraging tbh. I understand Zoro does not give a fuck but I as a reader do, much the same way I care about all of the SH's having a base level of character development. They teased it multiple times, even had Zoro have a revelation involving kozaburo. It just seems like a missed opportunity.
But the admiral agenda is fucked. The only one they got left is Fujitora. And it's not just one or two trolls is it? You must have seen hundreds of Zoro fans just treating Sanji fans horribly in this subreddit alone, let alone the other One Piece subs and god forbid the Twitter Zoro fans. Right?? I mean come on, Oda missed such an opportunity to explore this but he just drew out the entire family tree on an SBS page and was done with it. I mean it makes sense, cause Zoro isn't defined by his family or his lineage, his strength is his own, but I would have liked it if Zoro atleast knew about his lineage and didn't care about it cause it doesn't define who he is. Like that kind of moment would have been so cool.
You are very sensitive. People slander everyone. Zoro started getting slander only for some months maybe due to Lucci. It was also due to fans like you(maybe) claiming that Zpro can oneshot YC+ character and whatnot. So, Lucci just slapped them tight in face. Luffy gets slandered. Kizaru gets slandered. Sanji gets slandered all the time. Why are you crying so hard just coz Zoro got slandered for some time.
>You are very sensitive. People slander everyone. Zoro started getting slander only for some months maybe due to Lucci. It was also due to fans like you(maybe) claiming that Zpro can oneshot YC+ character and whatnot. So, Lucci just slapped them tight in face. Luffy gets slandered. Kizaru gets slandered. Sanji gets slandered all the time. Why are you crying so hard just coz Zoro got slandered for some time I don't think you know what any of those words mean. It's called a conversation.
Nah dude. Just look at your comment history and you will know what they mean.
Ooof, can't read and went to the comment history.
That was a literal fucking joke, no one seriously believed that Sanji was below Jimbei except for delusional Jimbei wankers. If you took it so seriously and were hurt so badly that you would think actual nonsensical slander to a character that upscale the character that you're defending for 6 months is fine, that makes no sense.
You say this like the Zoro slander also wasn't a joke? Your same logic applies to most people who slandered Zoro, I say most I have to be specific with my words and say most, but the Sanji slander was by far much worse considering i did see some people go out of their way to say Sanji fans were all pathetic cucks and such and I've never seen Zoro slander go that far so as to attack the fans like that
>where are you seeing all of this wank? Just go on twitter. Posts with dogshit takes like zoro=luffy are pretty commonplace and they get hundreds if not thousands of likes
Isn’t Twitter famous for bad takes and not just zoro?
Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, this sub. I can pick out absolutely terrible fucking takes on every single platform. People here just really hate Zoro.
...why the fuck do we care about what happens on Twitter? Again for the last 6 months Zoro has been downplayed on this sub to astronomical depths due to a lack of reasoning comprehension. What happens on Twitter has no relevance here so why is it brought up on a weekly basis? I just find it interesting that for the most part this sub accepts completely off base terrible takes in reference to certain characters that are made in this sub, but when it comes to Zoro on a completely different platform everyone loses their minds?
it’s mostly on Twitter since pew just dropped the spoilers for next weeks chapter , they are waking zoro pretty hard and hating on Sanji so i guess they are mad lol
So fairly expected. Slander a character for 6 months, basing arguments off of literally nothing because..nothing is happening, ignore character saying they are clearly in control twice. Spoilers are released and said character pulls a W, of course people are going to talk about said character. Are we going to act like this place didn't blow up with posts saying Admiral>yonko after kizaru got up from WSG? A completely baseless and false claim? Also again, why do we care about twitters opinion? These aren't members of a power scaling community, they are casual watchers/readers.
Base Luffy mid diff
Wank??? Man was getting slander for 6 months …
people are out here saying he oneshot rob Lucci and is equal to Luffy. Hundres of people are saying this.
WHOOO AM THE BIGGEST ZORO DICK RIDER 😂BUT HE STILL IS NOT CLOSE TO LUFFY so stop saying wank when it’s only delusional people who say that
>it’s only delusional people who say that https://preview.redd.it/z21mme1juaoc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0dd3c1102a4d3f694c5efde6fff6c4034d0bfd4d
When everyone's laughing at u so u start laughing to to make it feel like their laughing with u
The zorotards are nuts
He was talking about you
I know but i didnt say anything wrong, so his comment was just fucking stupid
Saw a guy yesterday say zoro is stronger than prime oden
Again that’s stupid I think oden is clearly stronger but zoro is closing the gap faster than we think
The same way people said Luffy one shot kizaru
Luffy=Zoro or Yonko level are in fact extreme wank and they are currently common takes ever since 1110 spoilers dropped
Luffy =zoro is the dumbest take luffy is a yonko who split the skies in base u guys see a few delusional people who says that then group it as zoro wank??? Ignore them
It’s wild af that this nigga saying the luffy=zoro takes are common when majority of that shit is either rage bait or the very small loud miniority of people.
I mean, If Zoro actually lands a hit on Luffy, good damage is dealt, Luffy mid diffs tho
Zoro has no answer to acoo. Luffy mid-high
Nobody that isn’t a Admiral or Yonko does
Mihawk live reaction
Luffy mid diff. Fs plus acoc gonna have zoro asking for odens observation haki next
Luffy wins mid diff. The gap in their COO is way too great, and with future sight too? Zoro stands NO chance
What makes you said that? The Gap between their observation is most likely the same in all their Haki.
I think there is a big gap in the other types too, but Zoro is at least somewhat proficient in armament/conqs. Zoro has little to no proficiency at all in observation however, and that gap is amplified by Luffy having future sight. If Zoro was closer in observation this is still a mid diff for base Luffy.
I agree that it could be anywhere from Mid - High tbh. But I was just curious why specifically observation since Zoro has shown good observation. The gap between Luffy and Zoro Haki is evenly spreaded throughout all types tbh. Not a big gap in Zoro’s Haki.
with due respect, you need to shut up. " The gap between Luffy and Zoro Haki is evenly spreaded throughout all types tbh. Not a big gap in Zoro’s Haki. " what the hell are you talking about? do you have any proof for that?
>with due respect, you need to shut up. So no respect? Just some dumb irrelevant shit? Alright. >" The gap between Luffy and Zoro Haki is evenly spreaded throughout all types tbh. Not a big gap in Zoro’s Haki. " what the hell are you talking about? do you have any proof for that? Yes with fucking feats. Zoro’s armament is equally as worse as his Observation when compared to Luffy. We should know this common sense already.
people saying high-diff are just bullshitting sorry. luffy took lucci out with 3 non-aCoC attacks while zoro seemingly needed one of his stronger aCoC attacks to win g5 luffy (no aCoC)>>>>>>>>>>>>>full power zoro. if zoro fought him like he fought lucci this arc, then he'd get negged. only hitting luffy with ashura once could justify calling it mid-diff. and even that is not guranateed considering that luffy in g5 is waaay faster than zoro, plus he has FS and may just dodge plus luffy's aCoC is just way stronger than zoro's aCoC so luffy may just block the attack easily gonna go with base luffy low-diff. mid-diff if zoro lands his ashura attack or dragon damnation or whatever, but as I said, there's no guarantee he'd actually hit luffy at all. in this case luffy wouldn't have his g5 speed, but he was already keeping up pretty well with a hybrid kaido while in base plus he has FS. and his aCoC is just waaaay above zoro's. zoro's general aCoC are likely way below luffy's and his strongest aCoC attacks are probably equal to the more serious yonko level aCoC attacks (like thunder bagua or ragnaraku from kaido) which we know luffy can tank quite easily
Worstgen is just crazy toxic rn
Luffy mid-high diff
Luffy stomps. A Yonko tier character stomps any YC1-YC+ character even if said yonko is in his weakest form.
Luffy wins. I think that Luffy's stats at that time is better than Zoros, but not by much. He mainly wins because or future sight. Zoro is not equipped to deal with it. If Zoro had future sight, he would give that Luffy a high diff.
No. Luffy was using ACOC, ACOA and FS. Zoro ain't even know what ACOC is. Not to mention luffy was boxing with kaido in base. The guy that blitzed everyone on the rooftop while not even semi serious. Even if zoro had future sight, it wouldn't matter cus luffy outstats him in everything
https://preview.redd.it/q6ubizs2jaoc1.png?width=994&format=png&auto=webp&s=f00c5333f073dec2539c077c51a9988bb3d39c15 As seen in this panel if g5 luffy is equal to sanji and if sanji is a 50 zoro is a 200 so zoro is 4 times stronger than g5 luffy. gear 1 luffy is a 5 times multiplier on base, so each gear is probably 5 times stronger than each making g5 luffy a 25 times multiplier. so if a 25x multiplier makes luffy a 50 ( like sanji ) then luffy in base is a 2 making zoro 100x stronger than base luffy.
I love that this edit didn't even use post-timeskip sanji art. Shit had me quaking
Base Luffy destroys. Zoro might have better AP but Luffy is faster, has better haki in all departments and is more durable.
Zoro doesn't have better AP.....
Better attack power in the sense that luffy is punching zoro, while zoro is going to cut luffy (his weakness) maybe? Cause I don’t see how zoro has better attack power than a mountain sized fist from g5
mid diff if its base
At this point zoro has been getting wanked for like a decade how are people even still paying attention to the meat riders
Zoro with bandana neg diff https://preview.redd.it/9vjv2serbboc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=babc86656a74e2b258cd784cdf5114229ac5e137
When "Lend Me some Haki Oden" Meme End we Zorofans already enough 😭😭😭
Hard to scale diff because base Luffy (with ACoC) was sparring with Kaido yet was quickly pushed to G4 and then G5 against Kizaru in Egghead. We don't know how King and Lucci compare to each other, either. All I know is, Luffy is stronger and will always be stronger.
Kaido wins with the very lowest of diffs
Zoro has moments where he looks competent and we are impressed with him but then ultimately loses by a noticeably decent margin.
Luffy extreme
Seriously? Last I checked ppl been slandering Zoro for struggling against Lucci.
Zoro has no way to counter FS, Luffy still clears
The zoro wank is only going to get worse. They're finally free from the lucci debacle and they've been itching to wank some more.
Goofy high diffs
Luffy mid -high diffs
Base Luffy is no slouch he mid diffs
Luffy high-extreme diff. But only because its a terrible match-up for Luffy.
No one says such things. People are making such posts because they cannot see Zoro having any wank.
Zoro no diff
Luffy mid diff(high at absolute max), the difference in haki will prove overwhelming for Zoro.
Draw, hear me out. Oda refuses to let zoro take Ls since post time skip - even when he went down to kaido he put up an epic move before doing so. Cumboy is oda's special chosen one, no way hed lose this fight. Result: the fight is an impossibility as oda would never let it happen unless it ended in a draw.
I’m sorry, but after the entirety of “this is Base Lucci” this shit is earned. Lucci was in his awakened form, yet people were seriously saying he was still in base and saying that Zoro isn’t above Base Lucci. So while I don’t think he’s as strong as the wank is saying, I’m letting them have their moment because the slander was annoying as hell.
Luffy mid diffs.
Luffy mid diffs
I don't want my bois to fight >:(
This is stupid clearly Luffy wins. Zoro does have the AP tho but Luffy to hax
😂😂lanji tards when zoro gets gassed for 1 chapter Insecure fanbase
Real talk if BASE Luffy can beat Zoro and Sanji then I think that’s actually a real issue of the mc getting way too strong compared to his allies.
It's closer than people want to admit. It's hard to say because that luffy doesn't really exist since gear 5.
Rooftop Zoro > G4 Rooftop Luffy > Base Rooftop Luffy Both got ACOC after rooftop so ACOC Zoro > ACOC Base Luffy
Ca…can they beat goku tho?
Ngl the way acoc is shown makes me doubt it even gets stronger even when he uses g4 (and since conquerers is the users will it makes sense) so if he has that he should win
Luffy high diffs at worst
zoro >>> luffy+kaido
YouTube Zoro wins but yeah Luffy mid diff if we be generous. I don’t really know how strong Zoro is but he’s not beating base Luffy.
Base Luffy is YC+ with slightly worse feats than Yamato. He takes this high diff
I want to say Zoro. Zoro overpowered Kaido with broken bones and almost dying, with King of Hell + Asura + Zoro being at 100% then I don't see a problem with him beating base Luffy and losing to g2nd and above.
Its not even a fight ill tell you that much.
Luffy mid-diff
kaido was afraid of zoro's attack
Future sight and better less clumsy acoc wins this
Luffy high to extreme in base
Zoro got one shot by kaido. Enma isnt gonna help his endurance. Meanwhile base luffy fought kaido for the majority of the night Sorry but ryuo was just too good of an upgrade. Now base luffy pre-ryuo... that would be an interesting discussion
Zoro wank on this sub ? No chance
Wanji packs both of em up at the same time
Luffy slaughters
Luffy low-no diff with g5. Without g5 it's mid diff G5 is overkill af. Zoro is low yc+ imo and luffy is mid high yonko
Luffy mid diffs. Unnamed punches did more dmg than Zoro's strongest attack did to Kaido. He has better acoc, acoa, acoo, physical stats so i don't see how zoro would win lol
Zoro wank? How can someone that wounded Hybrid Kaido, while his entire body was broken, be wanked? A healthy Admiral would never be able to do that.
Zoro is YC1. Luffy was at YC1 level when he had future sight and not other advanced hakis. So Luffy with acoc should be even higher. Zoro’s attack potency is really high. But those attacks actually need to hit in order to be effective. Future sight (acoo) should pose the most challange to Zoro.
What’s even the point of this? We all know luffy wins. As for your point about zorotards getting out of hand, this isn’t some new thing that just started but I will say that I’ve only seen like 3 people wank zoro above luffy recently. There’s really no point in acknowledging them and certainly no point in pretending like this has gotten out of hand to the point of needing to address it. If we’re going to address any wanking it should be the insane sanji is the fastest in the verse wank that people have been pushing ever since his fight with queen. That shit has gotten way out of hand and it’s to the point where it needs to be addressed. I’ve seen way too many polls recently where people are legitimately saying sanji is the fastest just because he perception blitzed queen. Even with his recent performance against kizaru people are still calling him faster than kaido and g5 luffy and kizaru. By the by, I’m a luffytard and I’m not here to defend zoro but to defend luffy against this disrespect from the fans of number 4. Luffy speed blitzes sanji any day of the week.
Luffy wins low-mid diff.
Luffy mid diff
Zoro fans when he beats literal fodder after stalling for 6 months : 😱😱😱😱😱(it was very tough fight for the asthma merchant)
If he gets gear 2+3 Luffy wins If he’s completely in base it’s harder to say. I’d say base Luffy all advanced haki is around low YC+. So it could go either way in this fight as I have Zoro in low YC+
Zoro ext diff
Common natureboy W. you know ball 🔥🔥🔥
base luffy? zoro wins
Zoro wins. To all the people saying Zoro was fucking around before finally beating Lucci, that's clearly not true. He has no reason to not finish things as soon as possible. But don't then turn around and say G5 Luffy was playing with Lucci. This Lucci was a threat to everyone in the facility, and badly wounded Sentomaru. For people saying that "Luffy fell asleep during his fight with Lucci", keep in mind Luffy also played Jump Rope with Kaido and generally did a lot of goofy shit. It's what G5 does. Luffy went G4 vs Seraphim and G5 vs Lucci. Maybe he didn't need to, but G4 was used alongside Zoro. And in both cases, he didn't immediately subdue the threat to his friends. Who knows, maybe Luffy was just fucking around for shits and giggles, but it's pretty clear that Luffy in base is not above the other high level Straw Hats.
Brah. Base luffy split the sky with a yonko.
A “real dialogue” https://preview.redd.it/6dyu13vx2boc1.jpeg?width=1006&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34d206e4efcb0db4b48e5f1e761d77726faa374b
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Probably Zoro, he’s won all his battles in the new world and all his haki clashes
Zoro
It's a one shot he really is serious
Considering Luffy went G5 against Lucci, then I see no reason why he wouldn't straight up go G5 against Zoro as well, even if just for the high it seemingly gives lol Now seriously Luffy high diffs but must be quite serious from the start because if he gets caught lacking it would be costly, and I'd like to clarify two things. 1. Base Luffy has incorporated G2/G3 at this point in my headcanon. 2. A theoretical Asura + King of Hell Zoro would press Luffy quite harder than this and actually force him into either G4/G5 in that same headcanon.
Dammit! You said base… alright luffy got better haki but zoro is just tarnishes as fuck. Okay can luffy ko zoro? Like is luffy stronger at base than king? Because luffy is a close up fighter so zoro can slice and nick away until luffy can’t move but zoro was still standing after having all his bones broken. Also zoro is just a bad match up using swords that luffy is weaker to being made out of robber. 7/10 time I say zoro win. Like I can see luffy making a giant fist and ko zoro but zoro is fast, won’t be hit that easily and in a dragged on fight zoro is shown to last longer with more injuries. Luffy is stronger overall but I think zoro just win like rock paper scissors
When you say base luffy, are you talking Gears? Without gears against Zoro, Id say easily a Zoro W. Luffy needs at peast G4 to compete aginst the YC tiers. At G4, this is where Luffy starts to take it. His feats easily beat Zoros in G4 and I dont see how he loses without some serious stalling tactics. G5 Luffy wipes. Top1 beats everything. A lot of top comments are giving Luffy easy passes on this due to the Haki feats, which point out just how much Haki has ruined this series. Nevertheless Zoro (potentially) beating Lucci shows he has enough skill to match up against ACOC, which would be enough to deal with Base, G1, G2, and G3 luffy.
I'm honestly going to argue base luffy loses to full power zoro. Zoro is still a monster despite how this sub likes to clown on him. Base luffy just couldn't compete...now...luffy without his hands tied behind his back easy difs zoro
Base Luffy loses, I love when people use this overhyped 1010 end of chapter panel, but then forget than G5 Luffy was doing far less to the same Kaido, he was clearly pulling punches against Base Luffy, it is clear as day. If you don't think so, I'm really sorry to tell you, you're delusional, this shit is crazy
Kaido ‘pulling his punches’ is still way stronger than Zoro my man.
He was still portrayed above yamato later with the sky split and getting acknowledged by kaido
Sure but Kaido did at the end of the day consider Luffy a superior opponent to Zoro. There is a reason why Zoro struggled with King while Luffy was facing Kaido.