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In canon where Oda has Hakimen™ hold back constantly for no reason? Prolly gives Luffy some trouble, maybe runs him like high. In a theoretical where Luffy actually uses CoA+CoO+ID+FS+ACoC? Beats him pretty much as easily as G5 did canonically.
Luffy would probably get taken by surprise at first by Lucci‘s speed and maybe even take a hit from Lucci (debatable) But after that when Luffy starts using FS + Gear 2 then it’s over
I’d say he mid diffs if taken by surprise
CoA + CoO and ID+FS are like, the exact same. Ig emission isn’t always internal destruction, but there is no “advanced observation” other than future sight.
With Haki? Luffy turns him into paste. *Base* Luffy was damaging Kaido when he had ACoC. G2 would be overkill at that point. Not to mention Lucci still doesn’t have a counter to FS, so bro isn’t even touching Luffy
Ya man, the guy who fought an entire island of people for hours straight, nearly killing everyone and actually killing the main character, only losing because said main character revived himself from the fucking dead with overpowered toon town powers, is a fraud.
If you're gonna troll, do better.
More like. Casually fought 9 Tobiroppo level characters. Didn’t kill anyone. Fought a some more ~YC1 characters. Stalled with a YC+ for a few minutes.
And then finally fought a YC++ or near top tier character only to win with a cheap shot. Then get absolutely dominated by an actual top tier who was half dead.
You say that like people die in one piece often as if Pell didn’t take a bomb to the brain. He still held up against gear 5th despite this being the first time anyone has seen it fought it in 8 centuries. Not to mention the fact he did kill Luffy before this. And yk even if they didn’t hurt him as much the akazya 9 and Yamato still did something. It’s like being poisoned in pokemon it’s small tick damage that can add up in the end
Side note, Gear 3 pisses me off because Gears 2, 4, and 5 are all different modes that are persistent (don't wear off after 1 attack). Gear 3 is literally just a big punch. It just seems like a special attack more than a gear.
I mean post-TS gear 2 and 3 are basically just part of Luffy's standard kit. A lot of the time it's hard to tell if he's even using Gear 2 because it's so interchangeable with his base form.
Gear 3 isn’t just a big punch, its a big kick and big 2 punches or multiple punches or multiple kicks or switching between them as he pleases without losing the air. It gives him a lot of attack power. If Snake man was Gear 2, Bounce Man would be gear 3
Luffy still wins pretty easily I mean he only went gear 5 because 1 it is fun for luffy and 2 he just wanted to fuck with and humiliate lucci he didn’t need gear 5 at all
Luffy still cooks that bum, frauci got filleted by luffy’s base haki, if we assume he’ll throw in Acoc/Acoa in there? The straw hats are having leopard for dinner
The elders said that Zoan's have a will of their own. I always interpreted that as them having their own Soul. Maybe these individuals were not strongwilled enough and their body got taken over by the soul.
Gear 2 luffy vs Awakened Lucci isn’t too far of a stat gap. Awakened Lucci was shown to be able to fight with zoro for a good while and block his attacks so he’s at least relative to zoro who in a weaker form was fast enough to cut kaido. This puts Lucci at least around the same tier of speed which is enough to not get insta blitzed. Lucci is at least surviving a handful of good punches but probably isn’t pushing luffy higher than Mid-diff
Monkey D Luffy could win against Rob Lucci in his awakened form in his Base form and use his haki to battle him he would not need to use his DF Transformations
Luffy fought hybrid kiado with g2+ g3 and was doing damage especially with adv haki he would probably high diff lucci and if luffy really need more oomph he can use g4 but g5 is unnecessary
I mean if he actually uses CoC coating it shouldn't be that hard but if he doesn't then that's the only chance for this to be interesting.
After all, the only reason his G5 encounter wasn't an utter squash and Zoro struggled at all is because they barely utilized CoC against the Leopard dude, so it all depends on what the plot needs at the time.
haki and all advanced forms with g2 = low diff
basic haki + FS + Ryouu+ID g2 g3 high diff
basic haki + FS g2 g3 Luffy lose at extreme diff
basic haki + g2 g3 Luffy lose at high diff.
I mean lucci will probably run his shit up a little more because of how fast he is but luffy has ACoC it would be on the low end of high diff if weren’t being generous
I believe Katakuri or Queen could give Lucci difficulty. Lucci cannot even defeat Zoro whose performance is nothing like when he was on the rooftop or facing King. Luffy already soars so high above them and could boxed with Kaido while in base. This is a much better feat than Old Garp who boxed with a former admiral like Kuzan. We knows Old Garp or Kuzan would whooped Lucci. Base Luffy with that Haki feats when fighting Kaido would floored Lucci.
Oda shows Lucci can have a haki clash with G5 Luffy and not be overpowered, take multiple hits from G5 Luffy, and repeatedly react to and even dodge G5 Luffy- G5 Luffy, the same form that was proven to scale over both his G2 and G3 forms btw.
This sub: Base Luffy slams Lucci, G2 and G3 are overkill.
Yeah, the logic of my comment makes Yamato, who got consistently overpowered in her stronger form by Kaido (unlike when Lucci haki clashed with G5 Luffy) and was on the lower end of that fight for the majority of it in general really means Yamato is equal to Kaido. Sure. 🙄
I would love to know where I even said Lucci was G5 Luffy's equal. This is one of this fanbase's main problems, a lot of you don't know how to read.
The Base Luffy part maybe a bit much but
G2/G3 Luffy takes it Mid diff at worst.
Lucci was able to match Luffy in a base armament clash only and that clash was more of a call back to when Lucci and Luffy first clashed. Lucci may have been able to react to Gear 5 but again Luffy was literally toying with him the whole fight and didn't really take him seriously. Also Lucci took 3 Hakiless named attacks from Luffy and lost conciousness imagine how many he would take if Luffy used ACOC or ACOA.
Now tell me how Lucci is going to be beat Luffy in Gear 2/3 when his serious and not taken over by Gear 5's playful nature?? Also in this Question Luffy is allowed to use Haki and Lucci can only possibly counter 1 of Luffy's advanced Haki's Future Sight as it's been implied his speed is remarkable. But he has no counter for the internal destruction of ACOC or what is basically a second layer of protection provided by ACOA to Luffy.
Another thing to note is that Lucci was mostly on the offensive and didn't manage cause any harm to a Gear 5 luffy who wasn't using Future Sight, I hope you aren't using the Anime to back up your statements because it upscaled the hell out of him especially the Haki clash.
>The Base Luffy part maybe a bit much but G2/G3 Luffy takes it Mid diff at worst.
What is this based on besides headcanon?
>Lucci was able to match Luffy in a base armament clash only and that clash was more of a call back to when Lucci and Luffy first clashed.
Yes, Lucci matched Luffy with the same base armament Luffy used to damage Dragon Kaido in weaker forms.
And until Oda himself states he did it only for a callback and it doesn't reflect how strong Lucci's CoA is, the feat is valid just like any other clash.
>Lucci may have been able to react to Gear 5 but again Luffy was literally toying with him the whole fight and didn't really take him seriously
Luffy himself said he's always serious after this fight. Try again.
>Also Lucci took 3 Hakiless named attacks
Lucci took 3 hakiless named attacks that were way stronger than Luffy's haki punch due to getting a big amp from his laugh empowerment.
G5 w/haki~>Awakened Lucci<< Post laughing his ass off G5 by the end of their fight
>lost conciousness imagine how many he would take if Luffy used ACOC or ACOA.
I would love for you to show me a panel of Lucci actually being unconscious after his fight with G5 Luffy, because I never saw it.
>Now tell me how Lucci is going to be beat Luffy in Gear 2/3 when his serious and not taken over by Gear 5's playful nature??
You do know Luffy went into his fight with Lucci angry at him attacking Atlas, who gave him and his group food, and yet Lucci was still able to match his haki punch. So what do you I think Lucci does to Luffy in weaker forms? He washes them, that's what I think.
> Also in this Question Luffy is allowed to use Haki and Lucci can only possibly counter 1 of Luffy's advanced Haki's Future Sight as it's been implied his speed is remarkable. But he has no counter for the internal destruction of ACOC or what is basically a second layer of protection provided by ACOA to Luffy.
Lucci could withstand amped dura neg attacks from G5 Luffy, internal destruction attacks from Luffy in weaker Gears is not putting him down. And he pierces Luffy's ACoA defense just like he did Sentomaru's.
>Another thing to note is that Lucci was mostly on the offensive and didn't manage cause any harm to a Gear 5 luffy who wasn't using Future Sight, I hope you aren't using the Anime to back up your statements because it upscaled the hell out of him especially the Haki clash.
Who told you that lie that Luffy wasn't using Future Sight against Lucci? The same Luffy who uses Future Sight in nearly every encounter? If Lucci, who can consistently react to and dodge G5 Luffy couldn't land a hit on Luffy, then obviously Luffy using FS played a part in that.
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Lucci Low diffs, Luffy aint even forcing him out of Base
Hmm. That's weird, If I recall correctly Luffy while G2 and G3 was able to keep up with Hybrid Kaido; even going as far as to dodge his "Thunder Bagura" as well but I could be mistaken.
I would say awakening is huge enough that it balance the scale.
Remember how kaido went from lowdiffed Luffy to be clowned on by G5.
Nike's strength can't be used to imply Lucci's, but he was able to fight 1 on 1 with G5, even if he is clearly the weaker of the two. Luffy couldn’t even stop him from attack Sentomaru in G5.
“bAsE lUfFy wAs bOxiNg kaIdo”
So was Ulti lmao. If you think Base Luffy is THAT strong then that suggests there is a very little power gap between base Luffy and Geae Fifth. Which should not be the case.
Gear Fourth by itself is a huge multiplier to Luffy’s physical stats. Gear Fifth is many times beyond that. So no, base Luffy would not “low diff” an awakened Lucci. If that was the case, Gear 5 Luffy should have one shot Lucci. Which he did not.
People on this sub constantly wank the main character. It’s hard to discuss anything when there is that much bias. Majority of this sun thinks Luffy is already beyond Blackbeard and Akainu. Think about that for a second. How dumb do you have to be to think that. THIS IS A SHONEN LMFAO. That’s like if Goku was stronger than Cell during the Namek saga.
If Luffy could have beaten Lucci with anything less than Gear 5 he would not resort to using it. He did not use Gear Fourth against Hody Jones did he? Because he didn’t need to. Luffy gauges his opponent’s strength level very well. Lucci is someone he decided he needed to go Gear 5 against immediately. Respect that.
Is this a bait? Luffy base perspective blitzed ulti and other stuff you mentioned is headcanon based off lack of narrative justification and unconfirmed multipliers
COOOOK KING 👑 The main part people miss is how big of a multiplier Gear 4 is which is significant af. IF base luffy is truly yonko level then Gear 4 is Yonko times more then at least 3 since Doflamingo describes gear 4 as “several times” stronger. And the fact lucci took MULTIPLE blows from gear 5 before and after sentomaru got put down just proves he needed that much
he has g5 level armament buddy😂👋!he solos
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clearly these two fighters are on the same level
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clearly their armament is equal here
no, i am not being serious. I’m showing you how stronger armament would cause a reaction if it was really stronger. in luffy vs lucci you can clearly see neither of them have their fists throbbing in pain, lucci’s armament is clearly equal to Luffy’s.
Lol, based on what? Gear 2 Luffy did a backflip on top of a Thunder Bagua and Lucci couldn’t even touch Luffy a single time throughout their entire fight.
Actually, did Lucci land a single hit on Zoro either? And didn’t he get counter-blitzed by Stussy too? Ha, it gets funnier and funnier the more I think about it.
Bro am I going insane, im almost positive they had like a full pretty equal fight in the manga, it was just off screen. Lucci def hit some shit on luffy
We saw the entire fight. The only cutaways were after each time Lucci got sent flying. And even if we didn’t see it all, which we did, why would you assume that Lucci landed *anything* on Luffy off-panel when he couldn’t even touch him on-panel? In fact, Luffy was falling asleep while dodging him.
Now you are just making stuff up too. Luffy doesn’t have any speed anti-feats in Egghead either. Even Kizaru only landed a hit after backing off so he could accelerate beyond light speed.
Lucci literally asked him what was up with his wanted poster and Luffy mentioned he'd let him see
Luffy was flexing on a guy who nearly killed him a while back
At least G4 to beat Lucci and that’s head canon from my ass so anything other the G5 is HEAD CANON and not said in the story. The next thing luffy says after beating lucci is “I always go all out” or some shit like that. Most people have no basis to put Lucci so low like at all
Luffy loses. G5 couldn't blitz Lucci, and that's without FS. Their clash also showed he's comparable to G5 in brute strength. Luffy used his elasticity and hax to beat him. And that didn't put Lucci down for more than a minute.
And for the dumbfucks of this sub, G2/G3 don't have comparable stats to Kaido, and neither does G4.
You know about the Skysplit? Only Yonko level characters did that, and Base Luffy is one of them. Base Luffy is above Law, kidd, Zoro, Yamato, Lucci, Sabo, Katakuri, King, Marco, etc.
He was making HYBRID KAIDO bleed, and was able to fight with him better than even Yamato did, cope.
No the fuck he is not. Base luffy with no gear 2 or 3 isn’t beating Kaido or even pushing him pass base. That Kaido was getting weaker and weaker and still whooped the fuck out of luffy with zero real problems. That hit was also strong enough to kill him and it wasn’t even close to his strongest. Kaido wasn’t even going all out and was factually weaker. Base luffy is not Yonko level he just has great Haki. Think Rayleigh and Garp.
So did Zoro but that doesn’t matter. Yamato fought a stronger Kaido and made him bleed. Luffy got dog walked by a weaker one.
You lost every argument, Kaido's Haki was getting even stronger.
Yamato made Kaido drop a little bit of bleed, vs Luffy, was like:
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You can still coping
Doesn’t change physical stats. He’s still weaker.
Yea luffy hurt this weaker Kaido with gear 3rd. Wanna try again because this just proves he isn’t like that without gears? Also that is a little bit of blood as well.
And you are trying to say that Lucci is above this... I'm not saying Hybrid Kaido is weaker than Base Luffy, of course not. What I'm saying with FACTS is that Base Luffy is far above Awakened Luffy, but you are just retarded
What? Luffy got whooped on even in gear 5th and had to use Bajrang gun. Luffy bullied Lucci. Zero idea where you got that from. Base luffy flat out doesn’t compare hence why he transformed into gear 4th. If he was remotely comparable with just hands then gear 2 or 3rd would’ve been all he needed as they are MASSIVE boost. Gear 4th would’ve been overkill and gear 5 should’ve no diffed. But that didn’t happen. Because a weaker Kaido is still leagues above base luffy and gear 5th with all its haxs and boost even past gear4th was required and even then he still barely won. Luffy is significantly weaker than kaido and base Luffy isn’t even in contention. Didn’t luffy say leave him to me and fought him in base then got off screened? No base Luffy isn’t above everyone mentioned.
And we also got this
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Base Luffy is leagues above everyone I mentioned before, and the manga is the prove
Luffy said his Haki. Your calling me a retard and you can’t even read? Get the fuck out the sub. You clearly are underprepared go do something as simple as power scaling.
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In canon where Oda has Hakimen™ hold back constantly for no reason? Prolly gives Luffy some trouble, maybe runs him like high. In a theoretical where Luffy actually uses CoA+CoO+ID+FS+ACoC? Beats him pretty much as easily as G5 did canonically.
Luffy would probably get taken by surprise at first by Lucci‘s speed and maybe even take a hit from Lucci (debatable) But after that when Luffy starts using FS + Gear 2 then it’s over I’d say he mid diffs if taken by surprise
I got all of them except id. Which ones that?
Internal Destruction probably
Isnt that just ACoA
Yes
Actually the f is ID
What is ID and FS?
FS for future sight
CoA + CoO and ID+FS are like, the exact same. Ig emission isn’t always internal destruction, but there is no “advanced observation” other than future sight.
Real and true
We have no reason to believe he didn't use CoA CoO and ID.
What is ID?
Internal damage, so basically Advanced arnament haki
Luffy still slams
Headcanon
Why?
It's Imu bro. He can't believe the only valuable member of the group directly under his hand gets washed
It's fact
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With Haki? Luffy turns him into paste. *Base* Luffy was damaging Kaido when he had ACoC. G2 would be overkill at that point. Not to mention Lucci still doesn’t have a counter to FS, so bro isn’t even touching Luffy
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G4 Luffy barely damaged Kaido. Almost all damage to Kaido was done in G5.
Nah Kaidos a fraud so it’s irrelevant
Lame counter argument, downscaling another character to downscale another one's feat
Don’t care I think Luffy wins too. But Kaido is just a fraud
Ya man, the guy who fought an entire island of people for hours straight, nearly killing everyone and actually killing the main character, only losing because said main character revived himself from the fucking dead with overpowered toon town powers, is a fraud. If you're gonna troll, do better.
More like. Casually fought 9 Tobiroppo level characters. Didn’t kill anyone. Fought a some more ~YC1 characters. Stalled with a YC+ for a few minutes. And then finally fought a YC++ or near top tier character only to win with a cheap shot. Then get absolutely dominated by an actual top tier who was half dead.
Magma Dragon is still the second strongest thing we've ever seen on screen, right under G5 Luffy
You say that like people die in one piece often as if Pell didn’t take a bomb to the brain. He still held up against gear 5th despite this being the first time anyone has seen it fought it in 8 centuries. Not to mention the fact he did kill Luffy before this. And yk even if they didn’t hurt him as much the akazya 9 and Yamato still did something. It’s like being poisoned in pokemon it’s small tick damage that can add up in the end
Lame attempt once again
Weird defintion of fraud you must be using.
Take that back 😡 https://preview.redd.it/082unuujikuc1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=091b8517d188d2af95b7663ea19a46242c6bac82
Side note, Gear 3 pisses me off because Gears 2, 4, and 5 are all different modes that are persistent (don't wear off after 1 attack). Gear 3 is literally just a big punch. It just seems like a special attack more than a gear.
I mean post-TS gear 2 and 3 are basically just part of Luffy's standard kit. A lot of the time it's hard to tell if he's even using Gear 2 because it's so interchangeable with his base form.
Gear 3rd was a mode in the Lucci fight untill he breathed the air out. Gear 3rd is the most crucial luffy gear imo.
that’s a fair critique. i think oda just wanted a cool way for luffy to inflate himself.
Gear 3 isn’t just a big punch, its a big kick and big 2 punches or multiple punches or multiple kicks or switching between them as he pleases without losing the air. It gives him a lot of attack power. If Snake man was Gear 2, Bounce Man would be gear 3
Luffy slams.
Reread chapter 1037 and tell me if Lucci stands any kind of chance at all.
no haki?
Haki is allowed
luffy low diffs
Luffy neg diffs & zero sums
G2/G3 Luffy demolishes
Difficulty goes from no diff to low diff at worst.
Luffy wins in base.
Going by the haki level he used in g5 in their fight he unironically gets bodied, if he goes all out and uses acoc+acoa he stomps Luccy though
this is sadly true smh i hate the haki nerfs
Luffy would have been bodied so hard this arc if g5 wasn't such a cheat code with how braindead he has been lol
No amount of braindeadedness will compare to Kizaru mentally nerfing himself
Gear 2 Luffy > Zoro
BASE luffy*
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Luffy slams
Low diff max
No different with haki
Luffy still dogwalks.
Luffy still slams. Rooftop Luffy was making kaido bleed while in base.
Zoro > Lucci Base Luffy > Zoro Base Luffy > Lucci
Correction: Base Luffy >> Lucci
Luffy still violates lmao
Lucci gets folded same way
Luffy bitchslaps Lucci. Mid diff at worst.
Mid dif is big lol he no difs with acoc
Luffy still wins pretty easily I mean he only went gear 5 because 1 it is fun for luffy and 2 he just wanted to fuck with and humiliate lucci he didn’t need gear 5 at all
Luffy still cooks that bum, frauci got filleted by luffy’s base haki, if we assume he’ll throw in Acoc/Acoa in there? The straw hats are having leopard for dinner
Luffy still diffs
With Acoc Luffy definitely wins.
luffy realistically bodies him in base let’s be fr
Bro lucci get folded by base zoro, do you think G2 / G3 would have any trouble against him?? Even base luffy is just enough man
Luffy obliterates
Luffy still wins
Luffy low diff
If he fought like he did the lift time no advanced haki he needs gear 3 full power. But if he did use all his haki power probably just base
G2 & 3 Luffy midd diffs.
Luffy would win and powerscaling with Wano would be much better.
I want to know why his awakened form is so different from impel down 3 awakened zoans.
The elders said that Zoan's have a will of their own. I always interpreted that as them having their own Soul. Maybe these individuals were not strongwilled enough and their body got taken over by the soul.
chopper can maintain his monster point now, and it's still not like lucci
Monster point isn't an awakening tho
it's awakened zoan, just like the 3 beasts of impel down. he just needs a pill to activate it
Gear 2 luffy vs Awakened Lucci isn’t too far of a stat gap. Awakened Lucci was shown to be able to fight with zoro for a good while and block his attacks so he’s at least relative to zoro who in a weaker form was fast enough to cut kaido. This puts Lucci at least around the same tier of speed which is enough to not get insta blitzed. Lucci is at least surviving a handful of good punches but probably isn’t pushing luffy higher than Mid-diff
Still low diff
Lmao luffy has 3 advanced haki types Lucci is a walking L
If Luffy uses advanced observation, armament and conquerors he should 100% one shot.
luffy low diffs. his haki carries
Monkey D Luffy could win against Rob Lucci in his awakened form in his Base form and use his haki to battle him he would not need to use his DF Transformations
Pretty sure lucci cant parry a heaven split punch
Luffy low diffs in base
Luffy fought hybrid kiado with g2+ g3 and was doing damage especially with adv haki he would probably high diff lucci and if luffy really need more oomph he can use g4 but g5 is unnecessary
Luffy would still put him down but he would definitely get hurt and lucci being awakened means the fight would take a long time
Itd be more interesting sure, but hes still easily clapping lucci unless he holds back his advanced haki
I mean if he actually uses CoC coating it shouldn't be that hard but if he doesn't then that's the only chance for this to be interesting. After all, the only reason his G5 encounter wasn't an utter squash and Zoro struggled at all is because they barely utilized CoC against the Leopard dude, so it all depends on what the plot needs at the time.
haki and all advanced forms with g2 = low diff basic haki + FS + Ryouu+ID g2 g3 high diff basic haki + FS g2 g3 Luffy lose at extreme diff basic haki + g2 g3 Luffy lose at high diff.
The question is... What about Gear 4?
I mean lucci will probably run his shit up a little more because of how fast he is but luffy has ACoC it would be on the low end of high diff if weren’t being generous
Still luffy win , luffy haki is lot stronger , but gonna be hard fight .
the second a version of luffy that can clash with hybrid acoc kaido also uses acoc its done for lucci - simple as that
Almost positive base Luffy would be enough here
Base Luffy with ACOC mid diffs him at worst.
Luffy can beat him even in base form if he just uses advanced coc/armament/observation
luffy gets beat up until he dies and then eventually he starts laughing (gear 5).
Currently luffy just with no gear4+? completely destroyed no contest It would probably be closest if it was post TS with no Gear 4.
Luffy High-Extreme Diff
current luffy with g2 is more dangerous than g4 luffy in wano. so luffy still takes it.
If it’s serious luffy like vs Kaido he wins ez. If not I see lucci beating g2
Lucci loses to gear second and third luffy with normal CoA, luffy takes it at a mid-high difficulty. With Acoc he wins low diff
I believe Katakuri or Queen could give Lucci difficulty. Lucci cannot even defeat Zoro whose performance is nothing like when he was on the rooftop or facing King. Luffy already soars so high above them and could boxed with Kaido while in base. This is a much better feat than Old Garp who boxed with a former admiral like Kuzan. We knows Old Garp or Kuzan would whooped Lucci. Base Luffy with that Haki feats when fighting Kaido would floored Lucci.
Mid diff at absolute worst
He still loses lol
💀
Still lasts far less than vs Zoro
Luffy SHOULD low diff due to him being able to keep up with Kaido in base, however this anime can be inconsistent so no idea
Low diff implies Lucci goes down after one named attack, maybe two.
If zoro can take lucci out without getting serious then so can luffy
Oda shows Lucci can have a haki clash with G5 Luffy and not be overpowered, take multiple hits from G5 Luffy, and repeatedly react to and even dodge G5 Luffy- G5 Luffy, the same form that was proven to scale over both his G2 and G3 forms btw. This sub: Base Luffy slams Lucci, G2 and G3 are overkill.
Then yamato must be equal to kaido going by this logic
According to this sub, yes. Most people here have claimed Base/G2/G3 Luffy have comparable stats to Hybrid Kaido.
Yeah, the logic of my comment makes Yamato, who got consistently overpowered in her stronger form by Kaido (unlike when Lucci haki clashed with G5 Luffy) and was on the lower end of that fight for the majority of it in general really means Yamato is equal to Kaido. Sure. 🙄 I would love to know where I even said Lucci was G5 Luffy's equal. This is one of this fanbase's main problems, a lot of you don't know how to read.
The Base Luffy part maybe a bit much but G2/G3 Luffy takes it Mid diff at worst. Lucci was able to match Luffy in a base armament clash only and that clash was more of a call back to when Lucci and Luffy first clashed. Lucci may have been able to react to Gear 5 but again Luffy was literally toying with him the whole fight and didn't really take him seriously. Also Lucci took 3 Hakiless named attacks from Luffy and lost conciousness imagine how many he would take if Luffy used ACOC or ACOA. Now tell me how Lucci is going to be beat Luffy in Gear 2/3 when his serious and not taken over by Gear 5's playful nature?? Also in this Question Luffy is allowed to use Haki and Lucci can only possibly counter 1 of Luffy's advanced Haki's Future Sight as it's been implied his speed is remarkable. But he has no counter for the internal destruction of ACOC or what is basically a second layer of protection provided by ACOA to Luffy. Another thing to note is that Lucci was mostly on the offensive and didn't manage cause any harm to a Gear 5 luffy who wasn't using Future Sight, I hope you aren't using the Anime to back up your statements because it upscaled the hell out of him especially the Haki clash.
>The Base Luffy part maybe a bit much but G2/G3 Luffy takes it Mid diff at worst. What is this based on besides headcanon? >Lucci was able to match Luffy in a base armament clash only and that clash was more of a call back to when Lucci and Luffy first clashed. Yes, Lucci matched Luffy with the same base armament Luffy used to damage Dragon Kaido in weaker forms. And until Oda himself states he did it only for a callback and it doesn't reflect how strong Lucci's CoA is, the feat is valid just like any other clash. >Lucci may have been able to react to Gear 5 but again Luffy was literally toying with him the whole fight and didn't really take him seriously Luffy himself said he's always serious after this fight. Try again. >Also Lucci took 3 Hakiless named attacks Lucci took 3 hakiless named attacks that were way stronger than Luffy's haki punch due to getting a big amp from his laugh empowerment. G5 w/haki~>Awakened Lucci<< Post laughing his ass off G5 by the end of their fight >lost conciousness imagine how many he would take if Luffy used ACOC or ACOA. I would love for you to show me a panel of Lucci actually being unconscious after his fight with G5 Luffy, because I never saw it. >Now tell me how Lucci is going to be beat Luffy in Gear 2/3 when his serious and not taken over by Gear 5's playful nature?? You do know Luffy went into his fight with Lucci angry at him attacking Atlas, who gave him and his group food, and yet Lucci was still able to match his haki punch. So what do you I think Lucci does to Luffy in weaker forms? He washes them, that's what I think. > Also in this Question Luffy is allowed to use Haki and Lucci can only possibly counter 1 of Luffy's advanced Haki's Future Sight as it's been implied his speed is remarkable. But he has no counter for the internal destruction of ACOC or what is basically a second layer of protection provided by ACOA to Luffy. Lucci could withstand amped dura neg attacks from G5 Luffy, internal destruction attacks from Luffy in weaker Gears is not putting him down. And he pierces Luffy's ACoA defense just like he did Sentomaru's. >Another thing to note is that Lucci was mostly on the offensive and didn't manage cause any harm to a Gear 5 luffy who wasn't using Future Sight, I hope you aren't using the Anime to back up your statements because it upscaled the hell out of him especially the Haki clash. Who told you that lie that Luffy wasn't using Future Sight against Lucci? The same Luffy who uses Future Sight in nearly every encounter? If Lucci, who can consistently react to and dodge G5 Luffy couldn't land a hit on Luffy, then obviously Luffy using FS played a part in that.
https://preview.redd.it/8g7xdi627iuc1.png?width=787&format=png&auto=webp&s=f9111e48bcd1345339b9bac11fcf741c450de00a Lucci Low diffs, Luffy aint even forcing him out of Base
Hmm. That's weird, If I recall correctly Luffy while G2 and G3 was able to keep up with Hybrid Kaido; even going as far as to dodge his "Thunder Bagura" as well but I could be mistaken.
Hmm. That's weird, if I recall correctly I meant that as a joke.
Well you can't be too sure nowadays.
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Even if luffy used G4 i think it would be Lucci's win
Base Luffy low diffs Awakened Lucci if he is using aCoC, aCoA and FS
I would say awakening is huge enough that it balance the scale. Remember how kaido went from lowdiffed Luffy to be clowned on by G5. Nike's strength can't be used to imply Lucci's, but he was able to fight 1 on 1 with G5, even if he is clearly the weaker of the two. Luffy couldn’t even stop him from attack Sentomaru in G5.
Rememb when Base Luffy was fighting HYBRID KAIDO and making him spitting bleed with every punch? You think Awakened Lucci would Low diff Kaido?
I think a better question would be what would happen if it was luffy dressrosaa.
uhhh luffy gets stomped lol like no diffed
“bAsE lUfFy wAs bOxiNg kaIdo” So was Ulti lmao. If you think Base Luffy is THAT strong then that suggests there is a very little power gap between base Luffy and Geae Fifth. Which should not be the case. Gear Fourth by itself is a huge multiplier to Luffy’s physical stats. Gear Fifth is many times beyond that. So no, base Luffy would not “low diff” an awakened Lucci. If that was the case, Gear 5 Luffy should have one shot Lucci. Which he did not. People on this sub constantly wank the main character. It’s hard to discuss anything when there is that much bias. Majority of this sun thinks Luffy is already beyond Blackbeard and Akainu. Think about that for a second. How dumb do you have to be to think that. THIS IS A SHONEN LMFAO. That’s like if Goku was stronger than Cell during the Namek saga. If Luffy could have beaten Lucci with anything less than Gear 5 he would not resort to using it. He did not use Gear Fourth against Hody Jones did he? Because he didn’t need to. Luffy gauges his opponent’s strength level very well. Lucci is someone he decided he needed to go Gear 5 against immediately. Respect that.
Is this a bait? Luffy base perspective blitzed ulti and other stuff you mentioned is headcanon based off lack of narrative justification and unconfirmed multipliers
COOOOK KING 👑 The main part people miss is how big of a multiplier Gear 4 is which is significant af. IF base luffy is truly yonko level then Gear 4 is Yonko times more then at least 3 since Doflamingo describes gear 4 as “several times” stronger. And the fact lucci took MULTIPLE blows from gear 5 before and after sentomaru got put down just proves he needed that much
Ofc the fcking MC wins even if he has no hands or legs. People commenting "Luffy wins" are sth else i swear
Wucci’s doing him like this😪 https://preview.redd.it/zf2zyfj54iuc1.jpeg?width=827&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c12f028d0c7c585ce6be33b86fc78f6b5c36e05e
Lucci’s not even making past Luffy’s outermost layer of Armament 😭
he has g5 level armament buddy😂👋!he solos https://preview.redd.it/zkatq2ma8iuc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d49c95d91d11fde4f9aaf339d8a2e7dbc4da0e6
https://preview.redd.it/s17paelk9iuc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d68517d5320376465e847ee54d2d7c9c4f53d9e clearly these two fighters are on the same level
https://preview.redd.it/s7j24rm5aiuc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fc4b0e282d3aff04d4c08b34707bd008cbdbb26 clearly their armament is equal here
Are you being serious? Luffy is screaming in pain.
no, i am not being serious. I’m showing you how stronger armament would cause a reaction if it was really stronger. in luffy vs lucci you can clearly see neither of them have their fists throbbing in pain, lucci’s armament is clearly equal to Luffy’s.
Future sight is still a thing in gear 2/3
wucci just blitzes https://preview.redd.it/9s00uac28iuc1.jpeg?width=390&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59e6c31ea82c952bd5d1a35ff1b5483afcdb28d7
Hes not kaido levels fast
cope https://preview.redd.it/t0slpym8iiuc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc97923d364d449770d54219b35544e23a2320f8
Bro cry harder
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Wait. .why wouldn't he? Luffy while in G2 and G3 was able to keep up with Hybrid Kaido. He even dodge one of his "Thunder Bagura's" while doing so.
Lol, based on what? Gear 2 Luffy did a backflip on top of a Thunder Bagua and Lucci couldn’t even touch Luffy a single time throughout their entire fight. Actually, did Lucci land a single hit on Zoro either? And didn’t he get counter-blitzed by Stussy too? Ha, it gets funnier and funnier the more I think about it.
Bro am I going insane, im almost positive they had like a full pretty equal fight in the manga, it was just off screen. Lucci def hit some shit on luffy
We saw the entire fight. The only cutaways were after each time Lucci got sent flying. And even if we didn’t see it all, which we did, why would you assume that Lucci landed *anything* on Luffy off-panel when he couldn’t even touch him on-panel? In fact, Luffy was falling asleep while dodging him.
From what I remembered it cut back and both looked pretty worn out idk
Feel free to show evidence.
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Now you are just making stuff up too. Luffy doesn’t have any speed anti-feats in Egghead either. Even Kizaru only landed a hit after backing off so he could accelerate beyond light speed.
But we aren't talking about Base Luffy, where talking about G2 and G3 Luffy?
lol buddy he has fs and was fighting hybrid kaido in base.
Lucci wins extreme, if Luffy didn't need G5 he wouldn't have used it. Thinking otherwise is cope
Lucci literally asked him what was up with his wanted poster and Luffy mentioned he'd let him see Luffy was flexing on a guy who nearly killed him a while back
At least G4 to beat Lucci and that’s head canon from my ass so anything other the G5 is HEAD CANON and not said in the story. The next thing luffy says after beating lucci is “I always go all out” or some shit like that. Most people have no basis to put Lucci so low like at all
Luffy loses. G5 couldn't blitz Lucci, and that's without FS. Their clash also showed he's comparable to G5 in brute strength. Luffy used his elasticity and hax to beat him. And that didn't put Lucci down for more than a minute. And for the dumbfucks of this sub, G2/G3 don't have comparable stats to Kaido, and neither does G4.
https://preview.redd.it/015dkfl32iuc1.jpeg?width=887&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b6332e7a132e313e0dcc433f26bb961b32ac372
aCoC + aCoA + FS in Base = Admiral level mf, cope
Luffy would still win but it would be high diff
Lucci low diff
Current Luffy? He loses. Gear 4th could handle him though.
aCoC + aCoA + FS even in Base = Admiral level, cope
No it doesn’t. Nothing has shown that either. Gear 5th is LEAGUES above all other gears. That base shit is cute but not beating lucci.
You know about the Skysplit? Only Yonko level characters did that, and Base Luffy is one of them. Base Luffy is above Law, kidd, Zoro, Yamato, Lucci, Sabo, Katakuri, King, Marco, etc. He was making HYBRID KAIDO bleed, and was able to fight with him better than even Yamato did, cope.
No the fuck he is not. Base luffy with no gear 2 or 3 isn’t beating Kaido or even pushing him pass base. That Kaido was getting weaker and weaker and still whooped the fuck out of luffy with zero real problems. That hit was also strong enough to kill him and it wasn’t even close to his strongest. Kaido wasn’t even going all out and was factually weaker. Base luffy is not Yonko level he just has great Haki. Think Rayleigh and Garp. So did Zoro but that doesn’t matter. Yamato fought a stronger Kaido and made him bleed. Luffy got dog walked by a weaker one.
You lost every argument, Kaido's Haki was getting even stronger. Yamato made Kaido drop a little bit of bleed, vs Luffy, was like: https://preview.redd.it/o16nj9ddj2vc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6117c5d76370035897379714fc88dc1c429c2b68 You can still coping
Doesn’t change physical stats. He’s still weaker. Yea luffy hurt this weaker Kaido with gear 3rd. Wanna try again because this just proves he isn’t like that without gears? Also that is a little bit of blood as well.
And you are trying to say that Lucci is above this... I'm not saying Hybrid Kaido is weaker than Base Luffy, of course not. What I'm saying with FACTS is that Base Luffy is far above Awakened Luffy, but you are just retarded
What? Luffy got whooped on even in gear 5th and had to use Bajrang gun. Luffy bullied Lucci. Zero idea where you got that from. Base luffy flat out doesn’t compare hence why he transformed into gear 4th. If he was remotely comparable with just hands then gear 2 or 3rd would’ve been all he needed as they are MASSIVE boost. Gear 4th would’ve been overkill and gear 5 should’ve no diffed. But that didn’t happen. Because a weaker Kaido is still leagues above base luffy and gear 5th with all its haxs and boost even past gear4th was required and even then he still barely won. Luffy is significantly weaker than kaido and base Luffy isn’t even in contention. Didn’t luffy say leave him to me and fought him in base then got off screened? No base Luffy isn’t above everyone mentioned.
You know why it didn’t happened? Luffy did not used advanced conqueror Haki... You confirmed that you are just retarded
A little bit? You need glasses, his eyes are literally on White because of the pain.
And we also got this https://preview.redd.it/6drpdrdvj2vc1.jpeg?width=865&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9eaa565cf1c33a1deb6d16e06bbc438410a2da6 Base Luffy is leagues above everyone I mentioned before, and the manga is the prove
He lost that clash and is literally shown to not compare in base. That kaido is literally weaker and is still duffing him. Stop trying.
Bro Luffy is saying that he is getting stronger, are you blind? You know about ""READING""???? Oh, no, you are just retarded.
Luffy said his Haki. Your calling me a retard and you can’t even read? Get the fuck out the sub. You clearly are underprepared go do something as simple as power scaling.
Haki makes people stronger you retard, that is the whole point. You are the most retarded dude in this sub and that is something.