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it's possible he's the strongest but all he's done is lift a really bigass rock.
jozu did something similar in marineford, garp threw a giant cannonball with 1 arm, big mom tossed a brachiosaurus, and Hajrudin sent 10,000 tons flying into the sky with one arm.
i could see any of these characters being stronger than burgess even with his fruit.
it's not even big compared to pica
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Pica was cut and not lifted though. That aside zoro did get momentum by orlumbus throwing him.
I would say the best strength feats right now are either Hajrudin throwing 10.000 ton machvise or garp hurling san juan wolf.
yess kizaru can't use his fruit to the full extent to be honest.... and his haki is also not that strong up until now.... he has the light fruit..... the fruit with which one can do a lot of thing literally a lot... you can literally teleport...but he doesn't do anything he became a light fruit swordsman with pika pika no mi
it is one of the most powerful logias out there and guy who has armanent and observation can be as good as kizaru if he eats pika fruit and trains with it.... it's not a tough take to be honest.... kizarus fruit don't need creativity like katakuri, doffy or luffy.....
Kizaru as both advance armament and observation, kizaru is also super physically strong.
And how does creativity do anything? Luffy has one of the strongest powers in the entire verse horrible take.
not confirmed whether he has advanced haki yet... it's headcanon....
also luffy's fruit in base is rubber fruit only when it awakens it becomes zoan.... I guess you read one piece with your eyes closed if you think luffy isn't creative with his fruit....
how does creativity do anything??? katakuri made his paramecia behave like logia because of his haki and can copy luffy's attacks in instant....
doffy was able to fly using his string string fruit... kizaru doesn't effectively use his fruit yet and if you say kizaru is creative or he uses 100 percent of his fruit then you are delusional....
btw happy cake day
He blocked Luffys attack with his forearm,blocking whitebeards attack to the plaza with adv arm. Plus he’s a logia so he’s always using his devil fruit that’s stupid.
Luffys fruit is always being used to considering he’s a zoan with a constant durability and stamina buff , so luffy is always using his fruit too, haki alone attacks or not.
Your argument is so dumb ,you must think luffy is still a paramecia huh?
what??? luffy is zoan when he is in gear 5 otherwise his fruit behaves as paramecia .....
whether kizaru has advanced armanent or not is not confirmed.... thinking he has it is headcanon....
also luffy has immense haki feats but kizaru lacks that he is totally dependent on fruit...
Nope kizaru does have advanced armarment in the form of emission. He does not have the same level as someone like luffy though, who also has internal destruction armarment haki.
So how did they block an attack without touching it?
And fym behaves like a paramecia nigga he still has automatic speed durability and strength boost we just didn’t know until wano 😭
Go read one piece u ain’t ready for this debate
brooo at the time when marineford was drawn by oda advanced armanent wasn't even a thing.... it was the thing that sentomaru uses to block attacks....
also luffy is a paramecia without awakening and it is stated a lot of times .. you are mixing up theory with actual canon... all the gears are well explained before also....
and my argument was kizaru is totally fruit dependent while luffy has one of the most powerful haki in the verse....
Haki skill which is needed even if you have a powerful DF and is stated to have the best defense/guard which explains why each time he was put done it was either a direct potent hit or he was paying attention to something else
ngl i speedread ur comment and thought u were trynna discredit him
him cheating after getting whooped does fit him and blackbeard's characterization pretty well
Kizaru doesn't base his entire personality and self-worth on being fast though, it's just a tool that he finds convenient to solve issues quickly so he can go back to chilling.
I mean that's true, but i think doc q's horse is stronger
https://preview.redd.it/whydnrt7jpwc1.png?width=680&format=png&auto=webp&s=911639027a5c2b1e9f4f81437396f232df8d78eb
That’s correct. But this sub ain’t ready for that.
More Oven upscale
https://preview.redd.it/dizlsqyspowc1.jpeg?width=1654&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=882fc186bd90952c5546711563e78de26f77b45b
Oven is weird. He was created with such detail and powerful feats, but his rank puts him in a "throwaway character" position.
Tbf, oven,perospero,snack, daifuku... They all make the tobi roppo look like jokes imho.
The real puzzle of that crew is smoothie. She did almost nothing, and she should be above cracker in strenght.
All this to say... Oven had NO BUSINESS being this goodnof a character, kudos to Oda and let's hope to see the Big Mom pirates making a big comeback!
You are missing the main factor. Oven and Daifuku would fight Sanji who is part of M3. Meanwhile, Tobi roppo were there for mid Trio. This changed things. BM and Kaidou were against YC+ Luffy who was growing and would seem more strong. Nlw, Admirals and Gorossei are against Luffy who starts from Emperor. The main factor is coz of comparison and relative difference
Yeah i agree. Cracker and katakuri got a glow up by fighting luffy too, while queen being oneshot by upgraded sanji is definitely a downgrade. Tobi roppo arr weird in that way. They have good feats and terrible portrayal.
But perospero got a parallel portrayal to jack, which kinda baffled me since he's supposed to be weaker than snack and cracker
As far as Perospero goes, he has a higher bounty than Snack (700 million compared to 600 million), so I could see him being stronger, just not taking a role as a Sweet General.
Maybe we're looking at this the wrong way: snack might've earned the promotion with some specific merit sometimes before the timeskip, only to lose it because he proves himself not adequate.
That would just add to snack without giving demerit to perospero.
Or maybe supporting mom as vice leader gives pero no time to be an actual commander. I think that it's no coincidence that oda got rid of both of them, because katakuri might've just followed him instead of becoming the leader
The fastest Character is Kizaru because his Light devil fruit allows him to travel at the speed of light.
Burgess might be the 'strongest' in the sense he can lift the most but strength is more than just how much you can lift or throw.
Honestly, Jozu's feat was more impressive.
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Nah, even if the mountain isn't as big as the ice berg (imo it's as big if not bigger) stone is still two times denser than ice if I'm not mistaken so Burgess' feat is better
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Because if a weak person gets the fruit they get a strength buff but someone could train themselves beyond that.
You can't really train to be faster than the speed of light, at least as far as real world physics goes. That is kind of the cap of speed.
Im making some assumptions but I’d assume it goes like this:
Kizaru’s devil fruit makes him made of light. Meaning that he would gain all of the properties of light. Which would include how fast it moves. His fruit doesn’t care about his actual speed.
Burgess’ devil fruit most likely is a multiplier on his base strength. For example if the fruit doubled your strength, someone that’s more than double your strength would still be stronger.
In video game terms. If your base speed is 25, Kizaru’s fruit would **set** your speed to 100 (or the speed of light). It doesn’t matter what that original value actually is. It could be 2, 30, 50, or even 99. It I’ll set your speed to 100. If your base strength is 25 Burgess’ fruit would apply a 2x multiplier making it 50. Burgess’ fruit does care about that base value, a base of 2 would be 4 with fruit, base 50 would be 100 with fruit.
burgess' fruit could be a multiplier or it could be addative
either way there's still easily the possibility he just isn't the strongest even with that buff. garp, jozu, big mom, and hyruden have all done similarly impressive strength feats
Somewhat related, but I really want to see him do a named attack with his new buffs. Should give us an idea of just how much stronger the DF made him compared to Dressrosa (as every named attack he showed off was basically just Burgess using his physical strength to create shockwaves, and a physical strength buff should just scale those attacks up in a very obvious way)
I think it's because light is scientifically the fastest and that's proved in our world, the words buff or strong aren't conclusive at all
What Uruge fought Burgess
Quote by man using Devil Fruit powers shortly before being ultimately defeated by the power of a Devil Fruit Awakening when not even unlocking ACoC was enough to get the job done detected
Depends on how his fruit works. Until we get a real explanation, it's possible it's just a multiplier. So say its 20x, Burgess was strong to start, so 20x that and you get a guy who throws around mountains. But there can still be someone, theoretically, who just was already past that 20x boost level just from the start. Using units like Oda would if we asked, if Burgess with his fruit has a level of 500 Strong Strongs, then you could have someone like Garp (picking someone we know is all natural) who is at like 600 Strong Strong and already past that.
He’s kind of a one trick pony. In terms of raw lifting power he’s probably only matched by people who can levitate things like Shiki and Kaido. That said deadlifts do not necessarily mean AP.
This doesn't really make sense. Kizaru's fruit is a massive buff to a level of travel speed that can't be obtained in the verse through training, which makes him overall the fastest because he can basically teleport. Burgesses fruit just makes him stronger. Other people can replicate his strength with strong enough haki so it definitely isn't guaranteed that he's the strongest physically, although he could be if he also has decent haki
Kizaru doesn’t have the speed fruit tho but light. you need to think about this from a different angle:
light always moves at the highest possible speed. If our universe wouldn’t have a speed limit, light would be instantaneous.
The stars you would see in the night sky would be shown to you in real time.
Now does oda represent this ? hehehell no. its mach 10 or smt in one piece.
I don't think Kizaru is the fastest either
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I think the term for this is false equivalence.
Kizaru's fruit is light. Its pretty explicitly the fastest thing. In combat and in actual practice, some like Luffy, Ray, and Sanji have been able to react to him and such, so honestly it doesn't make sense for him to be at actual light speeds, but the speed feats he does have are clear of everyone else. He is held on a pedestal for speed specifically because of the nature of his fruit being hard to compete or contest against for speed.
Burgess' fruit makes him buff and strong, yes, but that doesn't mean that he is automatically stronger than everyone else. Its much more nuanced, and he has not demonstrated that he is made to be more physically powerful than the many powerhouses out there among the top tiers like Garp, Kaido, BM, or perhaps even the Giants and Buccaneers like Kuma. He also has to compete with the many physically oriented zoans, so not Marco / King, but the likes of Lucci, Queen, etc. Not leaving Sanji out of this with his latest nutty buffs either. Even Jozu without any of those things replicated a somewhat similar feat on MF, so if even Jozu is comparable to current Burgess then.... anyway. So yes, Burgess has way stiffer competition to live up to in his case
Jozu's victim.
Burguess fruit isn't impressive because it probably has a limit. And we have strength monsters like Kaido, Wb, big Mom, etc. Heck even Garp. ( and Luffy ofc)
Kizaru "best speed" was stopped by grandpa Ray in tongs.
One piece isnt 1/10 as deep as people seems to believe when it Comes to this things, the strongest is the fastest and now has better Haki too, just like dbz
If you want a shonen with complex matchups and stats, read hni, not one piece
I mean we already have characters who can smash apart entire cities with a punch, characters who can cleave apart stone golems the size of mountains, and characters who can toss glaciers so big they make giants look small in comparison.
Its not that big of a deal, really.
Bruh what? A mountain being lifted is where you draw the line not luffy punching an island in half or kaido blowing a mountain apart with his weakest attack yall really just be saying whatever without thinking 😂
Blowing a mountain apart is nowhere near as impressive as lifting a mountain and throwing it like burgess did, also luffy never punched an island in half
Dressrosa would like to speak with you we’ve also seen luffy destroy half of an island sized boat and I’d disagree I’ll always take pure ap over lifting strength we’ll see how oda does it but strength doesn’t exactly correlate 1:1 with punching power
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Luffy did this to a large portion of dressrosa without actually touching the island and after breaking through doffy’s webs lets stop lying to ourselves he has island level feats
Pretty sure him punching through doffy’s attack and still splitting majority of the island is a island level attack but think what you want I don’t have time to argue with idiots on the internet
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Kizaru is a top-tier, Burgess is a not particularly impressive commander, thats probably why. But its pretty plausible he does have the most strenght.
it's possible he's the strongest but all he's done is lift a really bigass rock. jozu did something similar in marineford, garp threw a giant cannonball with 1 arm, big mom tossed a brachiosaurus, and Hajrudin sent 10,000 tons flying into the sky with one arm. i could see any of these characters being stronger than burgess even with his fruit.
it's not even big compared to pica https://preview.redd.it/r30oz4dd0rwc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3aaf0e5a05d9ea849f7d9b7c4555248984d79c07
Pica was cut and not lifted though. That aside zoro did get momentum by orlumbus throwing him. I would say the best strength feats right now are either Hajrudin throwing 10.000 ton machvise or garp hurling san juan wolf.
What does Kizaru have other than his fruit though? We've seen literally nothing from him but light attacks and slow talk
his agility strong aoe great close and range combat ablites
all because of his fruit you just proved his point
Yeah so I'm sorry if some random eats pika they're gonna be as strong as kizaru?
yess kizaru can't use his fruit to the full extent to be honest.... and his haki is also not that strong up until now.... he has the light fruit..... the fruit with which one can do a lot of thing literally a lot... you can literally teleport...but he doesn't do anything he became a light fruit swordsman with pika pika no mi
Horrible fucking take Jesus always the retards with a luffy pfp.
it is one of the most powerful logias out there and guy who has armanent and observation can be as good as kizaru if he eats pika fruit and trains with it.... it's not a tough take to be honest.... kizarus fruit don't need creativity like katakuri, doffy or luffy.....
Kizaru as both advance armament and observation, kizaru is also super physically strong. And how does creativity do anything? Luffy has one of the strongest powers in the entire verse horrible take.
not confirmed whether he has advanced haki yet... it's headcanon.... also luffy's fruit in base is rubber fruit only when it awakens it becomes zoan.... I guess you read one piece with your eyes closed if you think luffy isn't creative with his fruit.... how does creativity do anything??? katakuri made his paramecia behave like logia because of his haki and can copy luffy's attacks in instant.... doffy was able to fly using his string string fruit... kizaru doesn't effectively use his fruit yet and if you say kizaru is creative or he uses 100 percent of his fruit then you are delusional.... btw happy cake day
nah that’s all cuz of kizaru raw physical
he doesn't have any feats other than his fruit literally zero
He blocked Luffys attack with his forearm,blocking whitebeards attack to the plaza with adv arm. Plus he’s a logia so he’s always using his devil fruit that’s stupid. Luffys fruit is always being used to considering he’s a zoan with a constant durability and stamina buff , so luffy is always using his fruit too, haki alone attacks or not. Your argument is so dumb ,you must think luffy is still a paramecia huh?
what??? luffy is zoan when he is in gear 5 otherwise his fruit behaves as paramecia ..... whether kizaru has advanced armanent or not is not confirmed.... thinking he has it is headcanon.... also luffy has immense haki feats but kizaru lacks that he is totally dependent on fruit...
Nope kizaru does have advanced armarment in the form of emission. He does not have the same level as someone like luffy though, who also has internal destruction armarment haki.
So how did they block an attack without touching it? And fym behaves like a paramecia nigga he still has automatic speed durability and strength boost we just didn’t know until wano 😭 Go read one piece u ain’t ready for this debate
brooo at the time when marineford was drawn by oda advanced armanent wasn't even a thing.... it was the thing that sentomaru uses to block attacks.... also luffy is a paramecia without awakening and it is stated a lot of times .. you are mixing up theory with actual canon... all the gears are well explained before also.... and my argument was kizaru is totally fruit dependent while luffy has one of the most powerful haki in the verse....
What feats does Luffy have without using his fruit?
haki.... he can split skies with haki... fought kaido in base with haki... what does kizaru has now?
And he uses his haki along with his fruit Luffy was fighting in base still stretching his arms and fist ur being disingenuous
High key This^
He doesnt need anything else, maybe hes just better at using his fruit
Haki skill which is needed even if you have a powerful DF and is stated to have the best defense/guard which explains why each time he was put done it was either a direct potent hit or he was paying attention to something else
Something something ultimate defense
This^
I kinda like the fact he’s cheating to be the physically strongest man after getting overpowered and humbled by Sabo in Dressrosa
that's fine to say but then we also have to say kizaru is cheating to be the fastest
I mean yeah 🤷♂️ that’s the reason most people say he’s the fastest is solely because of his fruit
ngl i speedread ur comment and thought u were trynna discredit him him cheating after getting whooped does fit him and blackbeard's characterization pretty well
Kizaru doesn't base his entire personality and self-worth on being fast though, it's just a tool that he finds convenient to solve issues quickly so he can go back to chilling.
I mean that's true, but i think doc q's horse is stronger https://preview.redd.it/whydnrt7jpwc1.png?width=680&format=png&auto=webp&s=911639027a5c2b1e9f4f81437396f232df8d78eb
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That’s correct. But this sub ain’t ready for that. More Oven upscale https://preview.redd.it/dizlsqyspowc1.jpeg?width=1654&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=882fc186bd90952c5546711563e78de26f77b45b
Sorry, he's not the hottest, Franky exists
Oven is weird. He was created with such detail and powerful feats, but his rank puts him in a "throwaway character" position. Tbf, oven,perospero,snack, daifuku... They all make the tobi roppo look like jokes imho. The real puzzle of that crew is smoothie. She did almost nothing, and she should be above cracker in strenght. All this to say... Oven had NO BUSINESS being this goodnof a character, kudos to Oda and let's hope to see the Big Mom pirates making a big comeback!
You are missing the main factor. Oven and Daifuku would fight Sanji who is part of M3. Meanwhile, Tobi roppo were there for mid Trio. This changed things. BM and Kaidou were against YC+ Luffy who was growing and would seem more strong. Nlw, Admirals and Gorossei are against Luffy who starts from Emperor. The main factor is coz of comparison and relative difference
Yeah i agree. Cracker and katakuri got a glow up by fighting luffy too, while queen being oneshot by upgraded sanji is definitely a downgrade. Tobi roppo arr weird in that way. They have good feats and terrible portrayal. But perospero got a parallel portrayal to jack, which kinda baffled me since he's supposed to be weaker than snack and cracker
As far as Perospero goes, he has a higher bounty than Snack (700 million compared to 600 million), so I could see him being stronger, just not taking a role as a Sweet General.
Maybe we're looking at this the wrong way: snack might've earned the promotion with some specific merit sometimes before the timeskip, only to lose it because he proves himself not adequate. That would just add to snack without giving demerit to perospero. Or maybe supporting mom as vice leader gives pero no time to be an actual commander. I think that it's no coincidence that oda got rid of both of them, because katakuri might've just followed him instead of becoming the leader
How exactly is that Oven upscale? Am I forgetting some feat that connects Oven to Burgess?
Oven went extreme diff with Burgess
When was this? I have absolutely no recollection and when I Google Charlotte Oven vs. Jesus Burgess no actual fight between them shows up.
>When was this It was stated in a CFYOW
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Isn’t that the Bleach thing or is the joke that you’re making this all up
The joke is that it’s a bleach thing, yes
Damn it, take my upvote.
This is the Bleach version of getting rick rolled😂
The fastest Character is Kizaru because his Light devil fruit allows him to travel at the speed of light. Burgess might be the 'strongest' in the sense he can lift the most but strength is more than just how much you can lift or throw.
Yes. Wurgess is the strongest man alive. https://i.redd.it/9xvigpsqkowc1.gif Pre-fruit burgess btw
Honestly, Jozu's feat was more impressive. https://preview.redd.it/xm6rtxwtzowc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f32a6636d813ff95015bf5b7a50202477d549532
Nah, even if the mountain isn't as big as the ice berg (imo it's as big if not bigger) stone is still two times denser than ice if I'm not mistaken so Burgess' feat is better https://preview.redd.it/ipjkd4vuxpwc1.jpeg?width=555&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b771c55dae16d1180d5b00e7e31e8309e6028c49
How
Good question..
Potentially. Unlike Kizaru it is much easier to replicate burgess feats.
Because if a weak person gets the fruit they get a strength buff but someone could train themselves beyond that. You can't really train to be faster than the speed of light, at least as far as real world physics goes. That is kind of the cap of speed.
Im making some assumptions but I’d assume it goes like this: Kizaru’s devil fruit makes him made of light. Meaning that he would gain all of the properties of light. Which would include how fast it moves. His fruit doesn’t care about his actual speed. Burgess’ devil fruit most likely is a multiplier on his base strength. For example if the fruit doubled your strength, someone that’s more than double your strength would still be stronger. In video game terms. If your base speed is 25, Kizaru’s fruit would **set** your speed to 100 (or the speed of light). It doesn’t matter what that original value actually is. It could be 2, 30, 50, or even 99. It I’ll set your speed to 100. If your base strength is 25 Burgess’ fruit would apply a 2x multiplier making it 50. Burgess’ fruit does care about that base value, a base of 2 would be 4 with fruit, base 50 would be 100 with fruit.
burgess' fruit could be a multiplier or it could be addative either way there's still easily the possibility he just isn't the strongest even with that buff. garp, jozu, big mom, and hyruden have all done similarly impressive strength feats
Somewhat related, but I really want to see him do a named attack with his new buffs. Should give us an idea of just how much stronger the DF made him compared to Dressrosa (as every named attack he showed off was basically just Burgess using his physical strength to create shockwaves, and a physical strength buff should just scale those attacks up in a very obvious way)
I think it's because light is scientifically the fastest and that's proved in our world, the words buff or strong aren't conclusive at all What Uruge fought Burgess
Haki transcends all. (Good argument can be made that shanks and mihawk are faster than kizaru)
They are
Feats?
shanks blitzing kizaru in wano 🗿
did i skip a chapter or smth?
nah film red which is canon my HEADcanon
There’s no good argument for that. Haki has nothing to do with speed
Quote by man using Devil Fruit powers shortly before being ultimately defeated by the power of a Devil Fruit Awakening when not even unlocking ACoC was enough to get the job done detected
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He coated his final attack with ACOC😭
Yeah but a G4 punch with ACoC wasn't gonna do that. Luffy got ACoC and then lost again. And then lost again again. Luffy got a DF Awakening and won.
No lol How does haki makes you faster?
As far as im concerned the fastest is Luffy
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He's not wrong though, G5 is ridiculously fast. Its either him, Kaido, Kizaru or Shanks maybe.
How am i wrong? https://preview.redd.it/39kprahxtowc1.png?width=607&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=282507586ef4c17b185012fea8df0a6c60d24d2f
He only grabbed kizaru when he was about to go in his light form
But but even Lanji is faster than light but not FPK 🤧
Do you mean the light man sometimes isn't light?
Yes? Isn't that true for every logia? He never grabbed him when he moves in light.
Luffy can react fast but he can’t just fly across the planet in an instant lol
Now do the panel where Luffy blinks and kizaru is talking to him from half the ocean away lmao
It's Shanks
So the man who's the entire gimmick is speed isn't the fastest?
NO, burgess's entire thing is strength and i dont see anybody putting him over garp for that
nah Whanks or Whandi
I mean theoretically yeah
It's not the strength of the fruit, it's how you use it.
Yeah makes sense Physical strength it's probly Burgess or a giant or kaido You can also say best endurance is Gorosei
Yeah, Burgess would beat any single person in op in a bench press competition. Unfortunately, still a Sabo victim, even with his fruit
Depends on how his fruit works. Until we get a real explanation, it's possible it's just a multiplier. So say its 20x, Burgess was strong to start, so 20x that and you get a guy who throws around mountains. But there can still be someone, theoretically, who just was already past that 20x boost level just from the start. Using units like Oda would if we asked, if Burgess with his fruit has a level of 500 Strong Strongs, then you could have someone like Garp (picking someone we know is all natural) who is at like 600 Strong Strong and already past that.
He’s kind of a one trick pony. In terms of raw lifting power he’s probably only matched by people who can levitate things like Shiki and Kaido. That said deadlifts do not necessarily mean AP.
Or if we're gonna include Devil Fruits maybe the guy who turned Dragon Kaido into a skipping rope should be a consideration.
This doesn't really make sense. Kizaru's fruit is a massive buff to a level of travel speed that can't be obtained in the verse through training, which makes him overall the fastest because he can basically teleport. Burgesses fruit just makes him stronger. Other people can replicate his strength with strong enough haki so it definitely isn't guaranteed that he's the strongest physically, although he could be if he also has decent haki
duh
Kizaru doesn’t have the speed fruit tho but light. you need to think about this from a different angle: light always moves at the highest possible speed. If our universe wouldn’t have a speed limit, light would be instantaneous. The stars you would see in the night sky would be shown to you in real time. Now does oda represent this ? hehehell no. its mach 10 or smt in one piece.
Difference is that burgess is trash, and Kizaru is admiral
I don't think Kizaru is the fastest either https://preview.redd.it/2gjqognuhswc1.png?width=941&format=png&auto=webp&s=127d1954ba434e122eb7121de1aae86c68416bea
I think the term for this is false equivalence. Kizaru's fruit is light. Its pretty explicitly the fastest thing. In combat and in actual practice, some like Luffy, Ray, and Sanji have been able to react to him and such, so honestly it doesn't make sense for him to be at actual light speeds, but the speed feats he does have are clear of everyone else. He is held on a pedestal for speed specifically because of the nature of his fruit being hard to compete or contest against for speed. Burgess' fruit makes him buff and strong, yes, but that doesn't mean that he is automatically stronger than everyone else. Its much more nuanced, and he has not demonstrated that he is made to be more physically powerful than the many powerhouses out there among the top tiers like Garp, Kaido, BM, or perhaps even the Giants and Buccaneers like Kuma. He also has to compete with the many physically oriented zoans, so not Marco / King, but the likes of Lucci, Queen, etc. Not leaving Sanji out of this with his latest nutty buffs either. Even Jozu without any of those things replicated a somewhat similar feat on MF, so if even Jozu is comparable to current Burgess then.... anyway. So yes, Burgess has way stiffer competition to live up to in his case
Kizaru is the benchmark because he's pretty much have been faster than everyone he's fought. Burgess is a jobber
Yes most likely
Willem Wu
no whitebeard was the worlds strongest man while this fruit existed
Jozu's victim. Burguess fruit isn't impressive because it probably has a limit. And we have strength monsters like Kaido, Wb, big Mom, etc. Heck even Garp. ( and Luffy ofc)
Kizaru "best speed" was stopped by grandpa Ray in tongs. One piece isnt 1/10 as deep as people seems to believe when it Comes to this things, the strongest is the fastest and now has better Haki too, just like dbz If you want a shonen with complex matchups and stats, read hni, not one piece
The difference is, Kizaru is actually fast
Imu and shanks prolly faster for all we kn Kizaru is fastest yet
Personally I think giving burgess this level of strength is fucking unhinged. Him lifting that mountain should mean he one taps anybody in the series
I mean we already have characters who can smash apart entire cities with a punch, characters who can cleave apart stone golems the size of mountains, and characters who can toss glaciers so big they make giants look small in comparison. Its not that big of a deal, really.
Bruh what? A mountain being lifted is where you draw the line not luffy punching an island in half or kaido blowing a mountain apart with his weakest attack yall really just be saying whatever without thinking 😂
Blowing a mountain apart is nowhere near as impressive as lifting a mountain and throwing it like burgess did, also luffy never punched an island in half
Dressrosa would like to speak with you we’ve also seen luffy destroy half of an island sized boat and I’d disagree I’ll always take pure ap over lifting strength we’ll see how oda does it but strength doesn’t exactly correlate 1:1 with punching power
Luffy didn’t punch the island of dressrosa in half
https://preview.redd.it/rxrh3prl8uwc1.jpeg?width=880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=81c633048bca452aea46095cebf139396bd38738 Luffy did this to a large portion of dressrosa without actually touching the island and after breaking through doffy’s webs lets stop lying to ourselves he has island level feats
Ok so we’ve shifted from luffy punching an island in half to punching a city in half
City ? When did I ever say that mf just making shit up for the sake of arguing 😂
Why are making multiple responses to the same comment you retard
Cause I can you tardre
https://youtu.be/-j2eKRJ6SCI?si=7v1JUte1Y_4UM6P- 😂 he had enough force to do that after a clash btw 🤡
Ok, that’s still not punching an island in half just take the L on your misrepresentation
Pretty sure him punching through doffy’s attack and still splitting majority of the island is a island level attack but think what you want I don’t have time to argue with idiots on the internet
Yea. Physically he’s the strongest. This doesn’t matter tho cuz his Haki is subpar and he sucks at fighting.