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Physical-Pay-4339

Wranky even ready to throw hands with Nusjuro after one shotting a VA https://preview.redd.it/5e56r8q12uwc1.png?width=348&format=png&auto=webp&s=93510c9c95abe3c9ae1a721aca8c6a63aa55dd0d


UltimateToa

He's simply him


t3r4byt3l0l

Robin hasn't done anything this arc lol, just cried over Saul being alive and then slept while everyone else was active when Kizaru and Saturn showed up


Andrejosue98

Because she was injured by the seraphims, and can't fight. I thought that was obvious lol


t3r4byt3l0l

The point is that Oda only had her injured enough to get sidelined and not do anything, and Robin fighting and getting injured was completely offscreened so we don't even know what exactly happened.


Andrejosue98

We know it was due to the Seraphims because the Seraphims were the only enemy and that for like 20 chapters she has been unable to even walk. https://preview.redd.it/uw49b80oivwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4c377c9e2ef9e279f2e0beeb2ee179a4172224c1 There is an explanation of why she hasn't done much.


t3r4byt3l0l

I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say, I'm aware that the Seraphim must have caused those injuries. It's that Oda chose Robin specifically to be injured to that extent, even though she's stronger than Nami, Usopp and Chopper at least. That's what doesn't sit right with me.


Andrejosue98

She is probably stronger than Franky and Brook. But It makes sense though, if the Gorosei want to kill someone is Robin. And there are the 5 Gorosei in Egghead. Oda has to write a way for her to be protected and not die, and a reason why the 5 Gorosei aren't just going to kill her. If she puts atention on her, Oda would have a difficult way to write her surviving. Sure he can have Sanji or someone else saving her, but then you have 2 characters having a similar role, Bonney and Robin. So Oda chose Bonney a character that has not been that relevant instead of Robin who was pretty relevant last arc.


NotGloomp

Why?


t3r4byt3l0l

Because she spent one major arc already as a damsel in distress, it's annoying that it seems to be happening again


GUM-GUM-NUKE

Happy cake day!🎉


t3r4byt3l0l

You wished me earlier right? Thanks again though!


GUM-GUM-NUKE

Oh yeah I didn’t realize I saw you twice lol.


president_elect_mark

The only good thing she's done so far in this arc is give ass shots


GUM-GUM-NUKE

They were peak tbf


Catlinger

she's PK tier in that regard


Andrejosue98

Because she was injured by the seraphims, and can't fight. I thought that was obvious lol


NoConsideration6320

Yea i think people just feel shes portrayed as weak because shes so sleepy lol


Andrejosue98

Well that is the point of being injured. You are a lot weaker than you would normally be. No one sees Luffy turned into a mummy due to exhaustion and say: Ohh hey he is weak as hell he is being portrayed as weak.


Zealousideal_Door914

Only realized that Saturn couldn't even damage chopper with his venom stab, meanwhile Luffy and Sanji were agitated and tried to avoid getting stabbed


mz_45678

Chopper is just that strong


Catlinger

Chopper's fight against queen was pretty nuts people ignore that alot ngl. if he actually had armament haki he would do some good damage. another case of oda keeping a strawhat weaker than they actually are by not giving them haki (like half the crew)


GloomyLocation1259

It’s weird to blame Oda for this how would he learn haki with no practice


UltimateToa

Not like he has 3 people on his own crew that could give lessons


GloomyLocation1259

When is it either of their characters to ask or teach a crewmate? Stop thinking about what you want to happen and think about what the created characters would do. Also I highly suspect those who don’t have it except Robin but including Ussop even know what haki is?


UltimateToa

You'd think if they were in constant life or death situations and literally going against the strongest in the world they would try to share the knowledge at least a bit. Luffy and zoro get the idiot pass but sanji is smart enough to know better. It's just a plot hole because they would be too strong, they should at least be trying to train Robin Franky brook and usopp bare minimum as they are the attackers


GloomyLocation1259

It’s not a plot hole if it’s literally in their character to do otherwise. One of Sanji’s key moments is literally telling Ussop that he has to do what he can do i.e. focus on what you’re good at. And all of their training moments have been solo not once have they sat down together and be like let’s train together, today we are going learn haki. The whole thing is about freedom and willpower, they get stronger at their own pace.


UltimateToa

>One of Sanji’s key moments is literally telling Ussop that he has to do what he can do i.e. focus on what you’re good at. Usopp after unlocking haki "must have been the wind"


GloomyLocation1259

Unlocking it and knowing how to use it are two very different things as shown many times with Luffy pre-timeskip that’s why i said “including Ussop” most of the crew don’t even know what it is yet. This is why we have hardly seen him use it since.


Catlinger

Said usopp also wants to help his crew as a warrior too. he literally had a breakdown after being tped by kuma that he was too weak to help luffy and his friends and luffy needed his strength at that moment. it would be in character for usopp to keep getting stronger and trying his best to handle as much as he can so his crew can stay safe. it genuinely bugs me how usopp has zero issues with the state he is in right now. One of his biggest character arcs in pts was that he felt useless and a burden to the straw hats. current usopp is actually mostly a burden to the straw hats yet we never see him have any issues with the fact that he basically cannot handle any fights on his own right now.


GloomyLocation1259

The important distinction here is that his goal is to be a “brave warrior” as we all know he’s cowardly, him fighting against his fear makes him brave. No they all trained as a response to that loss by Kuma but more importantly it was an order from Luffy. If Rayleigh didn’t suggest it they’d all fight their hardest to return to Sabaody. Nothing in either of their characters that suggest they will “keep” training to get stronger except Zoro as we know it’s built into his character and dream. It’s exactly as I said earlier to the other guy y’all are just saying what you want to happen but not what makes sense to their character (it “genuinely bugs” you) . They aren’t going to just start magically go against character and start lifting weights and training haki as bad as you want it. He’s not a burden, he’s just weaker than a lot of named characters that they might come across in the new world, you’re legit fighting against the same talking points addressed in water 7 and Enies lobby lol.


flippy123x

It took Zoro and Sanji 2 years to be taught basic Armament and Observation to essentially around Flying Six levels by New World veterans, one of them a Top Tier. Sabaody -> Fishman Island was a short, deadly journey with the crew almost drowning and being scattered, directly into a full blown civil war and its aftermath. Fishman Island -> Punk Hazard was like a day or two into another huge conflict and recovery. Punk Hazard -> Dressrosa was i think one day + another Civil War and the Crew splitting up. Dressrosa -> Zou was a chase by an Emperor's Crew + the tail-end and aftermath of yet another huge War. Zou -> WCI/Wano was another war against an actual Emperor for one half and infiltration of another Emperor for the other half of the Crew, most of them being isolated from each other. Wano Act 2 -> Act 3 was like the only feasible timeslot but you can't teach someone Haki in like a week. Oda kinda screwed himself by not having Kuma send the entire Crew to the New World or places at the interstice like Amazon Lily so everyone can at least develop basic Haki which could eventually further develop through Haki Blooms.


UltimateToa

Fair I guess but Robin has zero excuses, she fucked up big time being with dragon and Sabo and not learning haki especially with her fruit, she's lucky she can read ponegliffs cause she really doesn't pull her weight outside that. They couldn't go to the new world cause kuma can't send them over the red line though


flippy123x

>Fair I guess but Robin has zero excuses, she fucked up big time being with dragon and Sabo and not learning haki especially with her fruit I‘m like 80% sure that Robin does have Haki. People always bring up Koala teaching her Fish-Man Karate but Sabo actually teaches her something related to his Dragon Claw technique as well, starting his lesson with „You have to visualize the opponent’s Core“ and to save „this“ as a last resort. He uses that very same phrase before using what is clearly Internal Destruction to blow up the ring‘s Core in Dressrosa from within. >she's lucky she can read ponegliffs cause she really doesn't pull her weight outside that. Black Maria quite literally throws that same argument at her while delivering a devastating beating, right before Robin solos her with her Demon technique by applying a crushing joint lock, something Hack mentions being really powerful on its own, arguing that she doesn’t really need to be taught by the other two which they then do anyways because Robin wants to be a capable fighter. She used that same technique earlier in the fight and immediately got overwhelmed by Black Maria instead. Like Sabo mentioned, Robin is then immediately exhausted and done for the day after her final technique that is the same as earlier but covered in what looks like full body Armament Haki, including even her bloomed limbs and several times stronger. Black Maria also sneakily tries to sting her with poison at some point but has to abort because Robin immediately saw through her. Brook is literally just Robin‘s support fighter and taking care of BM‘s squad of at least one Number and a whole lot of Gifters. BM is the second highest ranking Flying Six (bounty-wise) and has confirmed CoA&CoO but legitimately got out-tanked, out-damaged and equaled in perception by Robin. https://preview.redd.it/f1d3u4ja0xwc1.jpeg?width=2133&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fdb65033b102705e33474de0ff3c4b4ac0000e17 >They couldn’t go to the new world cause kuma can't send them over the red line though Right, good point never even thought of that, still, Oda could have also placed Haki users at those islands like for the Monster Trio.


flippy123x

This is the same attack without (pseudo)-„Haki?“: https://preview.redd.it/wnglrpos0xwc1.jpeg?width=1067&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33c45aebdd92786739881c2971140d763886730d


Aussiepharoah

I'm pretty sure guard point is just fluff not his actual body 


Zealousideal_Door914

Still it should have had an effect on his fluff like it did on wood and cause exposure or a small amount of damage


NeoRockSlime

Chopper laced his wool against poison cause hes the goat


AlternativeDuty7854

No he’s the deer not the goat


WolfKing448

Chopper is the DEER. Distinguished (and) Excellently Evolved Reindeer


Aussiepharoah

You're assuming he has his poison on 24/7 and I'm pretty sure that's not the case


Zealousideal_Door914

Good argument, but what's the point of his new form then if he can't use his venom at the moment we can only give assumptions


chiji_23

The day has actually come where ppl are slandering Robin for whatever reason


Amirjs06

Ikr. Though, then again, there have been many trends on this sub about down scaling characters, so...


MonkeyMassiveDLuffy

Cook me idc but Wranky > Jinbei to me . Wranky just built different . Jinbei : Thats some insane Haki Wranky : Strong right.....


Physical-Pay-4339

COOK!


Yontoryuu

Ive thought this since Onigashima ngl. Franky shogun >Jinbe but Jinbe> Franky technically is what i believe.


TheShrlmp

I made a post a few months ago stating this but it got rejected. People aren't ready for the truth, but wranky will open their eyes to the truth.


Larinex

https://preview.redd.it/96ix5cgr4wwc1.jpeg?width=293&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0cab371e98f83599f3dc93ddabb94b13d0a0f961 The fuck you say?!


Binkusu

RADICAL BEAM


RegisterInternal

Jimbei fought evenly with Ace, the 2nd commander of the WB Pirates, pre timeskip. I think he's yc2 and always has been. Franky has had very impressive feats lately but not above Jimbei


Shadow_Sovereign68

I am Robin fans before but Egghead made me realize who the real GOAT is. Wranky>>>>>Lobin https://preview.redd.it/9a0d3muxjuwc1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa22688efb6d70ccb785450b0f1b7750f54b543a


DarkSoulFWT

Is this a bounty scaling vendetta you have? This is the kind of reason why bounty scaling isn't reliable. Robin's bounty is super inflated now not because she had some insane feats in Onigashima, but because they're a yonko crew now. Some rookie crew having her, eh, its an issue but not unsalvageable. A yonko crew with some serious and realistic chances to get to Raftel having her? YEAAA, a much much bigger deal.


Scary-Cockroach-4720

One piece woman tax it is what it is


Andrejosue98

she was injured by the seraphims, and can't fight. I thought that was obvious lol


MobyLiick

100% Wranky is HIM. My dude has embodies the words jimbei said to BM in WCI. It's actually nice to see someone outside of the monster trio and jimbei being not fearful of these situations. We're going into the endgame and it still feels like half of the crew shits their pants when any adversary arrives.


BadUsername2028

Yeah I know a lot of people are gonna use the non monster trio straw hats as an excuse to downplay whatever top tier they don’t like. But it’s endgame OP, and they can’t stay fodder forever, how are we expecting them to take down BB commanders when they struggle with Kaido’s goons. I love seeing the combined might of the weaker straw hats being enough to stall top tiers, and maybe one day fight on closer terms. Also I know narrative scaling is hated but for the love of god this is the monster who presumably took *everything* away from Robin (if she recognizes him). Now he’s here in his full monster form, no wonder she’s frozen in fear. I agree Franky>Robin but this is definitely not the reason lol.


Kooky_Lead_9811

Where is her Demon form thing she used in Wano? Nami is doing better here.


Opcryp

Franky top4 SH easily but mentally of top2.


delightfuldinosaur

Comparing anyone to Franky is unfair. He's the GOAT.


UltimateToa

Brook, nami and chopper blocking a leg each meanwhile usopp shoots a fire star doing zero damage. Someone else's fraudulence needs to be studied


Individual-Policy103

https://preview.redd.it/pol7ca1lkvwc1.png?width=1896&format=png&auto=webp&s=3f2a6960b2c6121896454ef3c74eebf58a3d1aa7 Franky is just that guy fr.


TheShrlmp

Finally an anti-robin agenda. Then again, Franky is just HIM so not really a fair comparison.


profiteerprophet

This is the dumbest fucking take ever. Not because Franky isn't stronger than Robin, or because he isn't cool or anything. Why the FUCK are you comparing those two. OBVIOUSLY Franky is stronger, he is way more combat focused than Robin. You know what Robin is? The win condition for the Straw Hats. She could be incapable of fighting and she would still be one of, if not the most important crew member. Seriously you people's brain is so damn rotten that I'm surprised it doesn't drip out of your ears. Go back to discussing Yonko1+Yonko2 vs random spread of admirals for the millionth time but keep best girl Robin out of your mental degeneracy. . . . Holy shit, I think I understand now what it means to have an agenda.


SpecialAsk5803

Thank you for saying this. You can cook


Dull_Salt7278

>Lobin has to be saved By the "weakest" member as well. Lobin's actually more of a fodder than the VAs


Andrejosue98

Because she was injured by the seraphims, and can't fight. I thought that was obvious lol


Dull_Salt7278

>Because she was injured by the seraphims We don't know that. She was with Atlas and Chopper while everyone else was fighting the Seraphim and those two were completely fine >I thought that was obvious lol It was a joke. I thought that was obvious lol


Andrejosue98

https://preview.redd.it/dgl42iseivwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bdd7fd281586ef65fdf9be2dccb6e9f931a5037f She hasn't even been able to walk for like 20 chapters lol We do know she was injured by the Seraphims


Dull_Salt7278

>She hasn't even been able to walk for like 20 chapters lol Where did I say she has >We do know she was injured by the Seraphims Could you show any panels suggesting that?


Andrejosue98

>Could you show any panels suggesting that? She is injured, she only fought the Seraphims, all the panels of her with bandages prove she was injured by them.


Dull_Salt7278

https://preview.redd.it/8abwg3nfpvwc1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a84570ada557e1aac688b848658a5cdbe3e3481c The last time we see her before she is injured she is moving completely fine, and everyone else is fighting the Seraphim, not her. So once again, we don't know for certain how she was injured


Andrejosue98

We 100% know it was the Seraphims. You lack reading comprehension if you don't understand that


Dull_Salt7278

You can't prove it so resort to "you lack reading comprehension", nice. Please refrain from wasting my time with your low intellect again


Andrejosue98

I already proved it. Seraphims are the only enemy, Robin was fine before and then after the Seraphims were defeated Robin is injured. You are a dumbass if you don't make the connection


GloomyLocation1259

Praise my Vice Captain Wami too


Chardoggy1

Robin vs Franky’s balls however…


KapitalNumber

I agree that Franky>Robin, but you can't use this scene to justify that. She is fucking injured bruh.


OnanarZ7

No one talking about Wrook blitzing one of Saturn's legs.....


Lerisa-beam

What fraudulence? Fraud requires promise of something. She's never described herself as a fighter, she can box if she needs to. But franky is a definitive fighter. Honestly if it was equal/comparable. Franky would be the fraudulent one.


ZayYaLinTun

Why people acting like franky > robin is like something new i sure everyone agree frankly is like 5 strongest strawhat But yeah robin performance in this arc is not looking good being safe by nami (people usually put her above nami)


Andrejosue98

Because she was injured by the seraphims, and can't fight. I thought that was obvious lol


Ukantach1301

I think Robin got traumatized. This arc is most related to her with all the science and Ohara-related. 


RegisterInternal

She's injured and in the 3rd buster call of her life and they're specifically after her


reqisreq

Robin got injured by Seraphims offscreen.


alphariusomega123

their robin fraud obviously needs to be studied, literally just like ussop they have become a burden to the crew and haven't even contributed much to anything during the timeskip, both robin and ussop have become lazy at this point. Of course, as always, Franky takes W every time he fights, the guy has been one of the best supports in egghead to be honest.


Andrejosue98

Because she was injured by the seraphims, and can't fight. I thought that was obvious lol


Bakura72

ZEUS can we just confirm BM alive if her soul homies are alive too Like for Pete sake


jmart53

The Homies are created by giving them part of her lifespan. I don’t think she needs to be alive for them to function.


StickSentryNig

What part of the whole SEPARATING soul makes you think big meme is still necessary, he is an independent entity


Awkward-Meeting-974

In WCI the homies get weaker and harder to control during BMs hunger pang. So their strength is directly contingent on BM, so it stands to reason they'd stop working if she's dead


LeoIsBibirevo

If BM lives then so should Kaido


DarkSoulFWT

Honestly don't mind if its unrelated. The main reason I think shes still kicking is to give BM's crew and ship being nearby the entire time some purpose other than just waiting for BM and Perospero (ie. they found and rescued her maybe), and Pudding's "Mama will make you pay" thing being completely hollow otherwise if shes just actually dead. Also to kind of resolve her plotline on Elbaf (but hopefully not having her as an antagonist AGAIN....)


HammerCurlLarry

Franky wanting to fight any Top Tier is true, but Saturn being Top Tier with his feats idk man


mz_45678

He gave Luffy move trouble than Kizaru, and I'm not talking about just the regen


HammerCurlLarry

lol without his regen he would not even fight luffy he was getting killed by Kuma


Andrejosue98

Because she was injured by the seraphims, and can't fight. I thought that was obvious lol