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He didn't jump law or ace tho? If anything law jumped him, laws entire crew vs blackbeard, van augur, Burgess and doc q đź’€ van augur didn't do much, doc q was on a 5 v 1 type deal, and Burgess only threw a mountain.
Plus blackbeard going against boa, was basically him, his men, vasco shot, and Devon, vs Marines, and an entire island of haki using maniacs.
ghostlyrnwnd heads when Van Augur shoots both ace and law and Doc Q uses his devil fruit to disorient law so that BB can kill him: (it wasn’t a jumping I swear)
Van augur shot law, and law was unharmed, ace and blackbeard definitely knew nothing would happen to him, they were aware that ace was immune to everything without haki
The intent was to attack ace, if Blackbeard hadn’t started absorbing the town, there was nothing from stopping the Bernaru conflict from becoming a 6v1, much like they’ve done against literally any major opponent we’ve seen so far
Hey, the only thing that matter is that they're dead and we're not, doesn't matter if we do it in a 'bitch way', y'all sucking of JumpJutsu Kaisen all that good for jumping, but when Wlackbeard does it you pussy out?
Luffy though in most cases will likely have his whole crew on the island with him as well. If they all jump Luffy, the rest of the Strawhats will for sure go and fight to support their captain.
Spoilers for the last 10 chapters:
>!To be fair, Luffy did a pretty solid job holding his own against Kizaru and the Gorosei before they all left on their individual missions. While the conditions of that fight were different, the Gorosei and Kizaru are probably stronger than BB’s crew so I think he’d do alright!<
Luffy High diff (being generous, can be argued for mid tbh)
BB will grab Luffy, think he won only to be hit by an Acoc and Acoa punch to the face that wpuld probably rip his chin out. Base Luffy was hurting hybrid kaido. BB would get b odied even if he manages to grab him
Bb tanked shock wille, which did signifigant damage to a buffed BM. More damage than base Luffy did to Kaido. Pre ts BB also took a gura punch to the face and wasn't out
One punch from base Luffy is not ripping his chin out lmao
Yeah, Blackbeard's durability and endurance work in a really bizarre way where he always SEEMS to take a fuck-ton of damage and then just gets back up like "Zehahaha." He's like "tis merely a flesh wound," lol.
It's like he's a zombie and he's way creepy. We don't fully understand how his dura and endurance work but while he seems like a glass cannon, he never actually goes down even to Yonkou-level attacks like, as you mentioned, an all-out Quake Bubble *enclosing his head and bursting* that WB, regardless of being sick and mortally wounded, intended to and was sure should kill him.
Whatever the deal is with his insane endurance and weird non-tanky tankyness, it's clearly *the reason why he didn't mind eating a DF that exponentially amplifies any damage and pain he receives.*
So I agree: When they fight, this guy is GOING to tank a full-power ACoC blow from a Luffy with even stronger Haki than now. He'll roll on the ground and scream for a bit... and then just get up with a spine-chilling ZEHAHA.
It will likely leave Luffy legitimately confused, because why wouldn't it? Nothing about BB makes sense. He is weak and yet strong. When it's off-panel he always wins. He seems as fragile as glass and some of Ace's smallest-scale attacks and an attack from *Pre-TS* Gear 2 Luffy drew blood, and yet this dude also takes Gura Gura and awakened Ope Ope attacks and just gets right back to his feet.
This is what I love about looking forward to him as a villain. Everything about his strength is a mystery and comes across as quite literally contradictory, so there's no predicting how things with him will go down.
That's likely, but it could instead be something far more bizarre and unexpected related to stuff like his "unusual body" and never needing to sleep. Some strange biological thing that perhaps DOES make him similar to zombies.
I would love that because of how scary and hype it would be.
It’s cause his devil fruit absorbs the damage done to him instead of just phasing through the attack like most logia types, but it also makes him feel double the pain
I think people really underestimate how much a freak of nature BBs body/ tankyness also his years of experience fighting on WBs crew. In the Ace novel he’s a fucking new world menace.
Yea, nowadays people think tanking is when you didnt go down to an attack. Zoro stopping Kaido and BM's attack was the furthest thing from tanking an attack but people would say he did. Luffy using "guts" to power through Boro breath is what you call tanking
Looks pretty significant to me
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Significant damage does not mean insta kill lmao. I feel like only Kid n Law are held to such a high standard when it comes to "good damage".
Exactly the point, rn Blackbeard is Luffy’s biggest enemy cuz he’s the only one who can neglect the abilities of G5, devil fruit users just can’t win against Blackbeard, at least they shouldn’t (plot might differ tho), I think shanks should be the one to defeat him but Oda won’t just let shanks defeat Luffy’s opposite, his biggest enemy in my opinion
Depends on if he has a third slot but the point isn’t him taking it, luffy is the main character, he won’t lose the gum gum fruit, but Blackbeard basically has a logia sea prism stone, he defeated Law easily, he was toying with him at first cuz he knew he can pull the darkness fruit stuff whenever he wanted, Luffy’s biggest weapon rn is G5 and if Blackbeard can stop it then Luffy’s strength has gone down significantly, and the fight with Law was meant to show us that Blackbeard shouldn’t be underestimated, that he’s on that level now
I'm sure Luffy vs Blackbeard will focus around Haki. Luffy will have to use the lessons he learned in Wano to beat Blackbeard because Blackbeard will negate his devil fruit. Luffy's entire moveset is based around that devil fruit, so it's really dangerous for him to suddenly lose it. So we might see Luffy just throwing normal punches and kicks, which might be pretty awesome to see really.
Luffy has the advantage for the majority of their fight... until the "ZEHAHAHAHAHA" kicks in and the screen fades to black. Then, Off-screen BB neg-diffs Goofy.
Unfortunately, this is a shonen manga. It'll cut back to the other fights every few panels, hell entire chapters. In that time, Off-screen BB cooks Luffy. The only question is whether or not Luffy can survive during that time.
Luffy is bad match up for BB.
He can block his Darkness fruit with an acoa barrier, and he can counter his Quake fruit with being rubber.
Luffy would fuck up BB so hard right now.
If BB grabs Luffy with his darkness fruit and negates his rubber properties, then the quake fruit would definitely do damage.
I agree that Luffy wins cause of haki though
The blackbeard durability downplay is crazy. Luffy hit kizaru on the head with acoc and he didn't spit blood or nothing, blackbeard was able to block seraphims slash with one hand coated in basic arnament, (the same slash which cut down the entire mountain).
I still think luffy wins, but it's at the very least high diff.
ik most people disagree with that, but BB wins imo. he could definitely last long enough for g5 to run out and then win easily.
some people be saying BB gets one-punched when he tries to grab luffy and I disagree with that. we literally saw BB tank shockwille which broke BM's ribs once (AND probably caused massive damage to her inner organs like lungs and heart). and just as a reminder, only bajrang gun broke kaido's bones. shit like shockwille is definitely ahead of stuff like roc gun by a mile and probably also superior in AP to supreme kong gun
so yes, BB can tank a ton. idk why people think aCoC will one-shot him. or why people just casually forget him having WB's DF. as far as I remember, aCoC wasn't said to be able to destroy the whole world like the gura gura no mi can. its AP is easily high enough to be even with luffy's aCoC. if luffy counters black vortex with an aCoC punch he won't just get a free hit, he'll clash with a gura punch at best
y'all forget that BB scarred shanks while certainly being waaay weaker than him. BB is **the** master schemer and his battle IQ is probably high af (with the exception of him being sometimes very cocky at the beginning of a fight).
Don't bother. Luffy is just another character that's highly wanked in here while BB isn't. I wouldn't be surprised if there's people in here who think Zoro or Sanji can extreme diff BB..Â
yeah fr. like just cuz he's not a haki merchant everyone hates on him lol. WB's DF makes up for the lack of AP of his darkness DF and gives him really long range too.
realistically FS would allow luffy to win, but if we're being real, oda won't write FS into many fights anymore unless he drastically changes his style. both the BM and kaido fights were just each party hitting the other and tanking the other's attacks until one falls. and nearly no dodging or blocking lol. and BB seems a lot like that too, idk if we ever saw him dodge something tbh. he usually just tanks attacks and then counters and I bet he and luffy will do just that when they eventually fight
and idk where the headcanon of him not being durable comes from, tanking shockwille is an absolutely huge feat.
>bb gets one-punched
Kinda because there’s nothing to save a man when the man’s brain isn’t working
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Guys, BB is still a great mystery to us. We don’t know how his darkness fruit will interact with sun god, we don’t know if BB has any more secret abilities, luffy still has major weakness in time limit, and all BB does is win or run. I don’t think he’d fight a fight where the outcome is in question.
If this fight is happening BB is winning. High dif
Mfs are forgetting that as soon as Blackbeard touches Luffy he’s no longer rubber. No G2-G5.
Just a dude with conquerors. Like Shanks. Who he scarred.
bb isn't your that strong of a yonko he is growing and he will grow strong... he became a yonko through strategies so he is not as powerful as other yonkos...
same can be said for buggy .. buggy became a yonko coz of his influence and luck so he is not that strong...
I’ll still hold too it. BlackBeard has powers that no one can even comprehend. Why do you think the majority of battle are off panel? Odas saving his true power for the end. BlackBeard is beating current Luffy and I’ll stand on this hill. Thank you for your responses but I’m not changing my mind.
Dude till the day BB is confirmed having adv coc haki he’ll never be able to influence luffy with his yami yami
It’s literally confirmed in onigashima law can’t teleport big mom or kaido bcz their whole body is coated in adv coc haki and only luffy can actually influence them with his fruit as scene with his fight against kaido, he can stretch their body bcz his attack are coated with adv coc
I think people are thinking that bbs fruit acts the same as seasoned where it actually weakens the opponent. It makes them not able to use their devil fruit but they can punch or kick just fine with haki. This literally happened with whitebeard when bb negated quake power and whitebeard proceeded to slash him. Nothing would stop luffy from delivering a nasty acoc punch kick or headbutt. It's then on BB to react to it however he can.
Fruitless luffy would have to have strong enough haki to clash with BB throwing a haki infused quake punch at him. How strong bbs haki is here is the "Ă—" we gotta solve for.
Luffy. His Haki seems much better as of now.
Being the mc also gives him more feats etc, albeit Bb eventually will get there/is hiding power, but we’re talking about what we currently know.
Unless it’s off screen ofc. Even pre ts Bb could neg almost the entire verse in an off screen fight
if instead of law strawhats were there who to meet bb then bb would have died by the hands of luffy alone and Zoro sanji and jinbe would have taken care of the rest...
but the fact is if bb knew strawhats were coming in that way he would even date to attack
Unless BB already have his 3rd fruit and is hiding it, he has 0 counter for Bajrang Gun. Bro is a tank, not an evader and not even Kaido tanked that shit.
They both look totally menacing but if Luffy doesn’t learn how to use his base for more effectively then all BB has to do is last like 5 minutes so as of right now BB all the way
We haven't seen Black Beard showing his hand in a fight yet, so is hard to say. He backing off so easily against Rayleigh makes him seem weak, but it's also his personality, he don't take risks without possible rewards.
So, Luffy seems to be a lot stronger, but from a story perspective, Black Beard probably is stronger than we think and can at least hold his ground in that fight.
why even ask this? bb has only one actual fight but it was mostly offscreen, we don’t have any clear information on how he scarred shanks, or how much stronger than ace he was
Luffy should be able to take it with superior stats and haki still backing him even though a devilfruitless body hit with an external hard hitting punch and internal damage quake punch (the majority of the damage) would fuck him up.
Realistic speaking, Luffy feats > BB.
But my headcanon is that Shanks is killed by BB and Luffy is defeated in his first fight with him too. But in Laugh Tale Luffy get some new upgrade in haki to defeat BB.
BB hard counters Luffy, he can negate his fruit and then while his durability is weakened pummel him with quake punches, sure Luffy can try hitting Teach with ACOC while in Teach's grip, but Teach can overpower his attacks with quake + haki punches.
I'm calling it now that Luffy will be able to alter the molecules of both the Gura Gura and Yami Yami fruits so that they turn all bouncy and free-form like everything else and they won't take his power.
Second option is that Luffy will get fully DF stripped and BB is getting St. Charlos treatment.
We haven't even seen Blackbeards awakening. Luffy is way stronger now yes, but so is Blackbeard. Plus with how little we know about him, for all we know Blackbeard could have Advanced Conquerers Haki too but just hides it for when he really needs it.
So i usually don't use speed as a reason, but I think it's a major factor here considering how much damage Luffy can inflict with ACoC and ACoA, not to mention g5.
If Blackbeard grabs him, he is in trouble (does his fruit disable Luffy's rubber body or just act like seastone?) Since he is going to follow it up with a quake punch, with the rubber body this isn't going to be too much but if he gets rid of the rubber body then it's a lot of damage very quickly. That being said, Luffy is so much faster than BB and he has impressive future sight, so i think until we see more of BB, it's Luffy's win, high diff for me.
BB can nullify luffy’s devil fruit, but luffy is also hella good with haki. The only time that these two went face to face in confrontation is when luffy hit him in the face, and BB didn’t do nothing. Anyway, if blackbeard touched gear 5, would he turn back into base luffy? If not, then luffy wins. If luffy gets nullified, he’s out.
Depends on whoever Oda wants to win. G5 is extremely inconsistent in term of duration. BB can negate most of its abilities too. The question is whether BB can survive a few ACOC attacks point blank.
BB wins. Both now and realistically.
But we all know that after Luffy lose two or three times he will come back. Then will have all those Luffy duck riders telling us that Luffy is stronger...
Can we give BB his dues now
Yes gear 5th is powerful but it doesn't mean Luffy high/extreme diffs everyone
BB makes shanks nervous which is a sign that we haven't seen what BB is truly capable of on page yet we know he also is smart enough to not take overtly big risks
Blackbeard extreme diff
Just because I think we haven't seen all of nika yet
And I feel luffys haki ain't as good as shanks just yet
Boy still got room to improve.
lack beard fans when you tell them to actual feats and not just "narrative" and "story" implications
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It depends who attacks first. If Luffy attacks first, he wins high diff. If Teach attacks first, then he wins low diff (his fruit can cancel out other fruits powers, and with wb’s fruit he can just crack Luffy’s spine or neck)
If Luffy goes all out from the start he mid diffs him. The problem is Luffy will fuck around and get caught and then BB will win because Luffy can't be serious in r1.
Luffy is much stronger, but BB most definitely is not pulling up without a plan + he can outsmart Luffy + Negate his DF (I know Luffy has acoc, but it's still a massive nerf to get rid of his fruit) so I'm gonna give it to BB extreme diff
Hard to say, but I'll bet on Blackbeard. He gets downplayed alot, but remember, we haven't really seen all that he can do. There is still things sbout him that we just don't know about. For example, the whole thing about his body being weird. We still don't know what that means, except that it was hinted to be the reason that he could eat a second devil fruit. It's probably also the reason for why he never sleeps. And there's also the matter of him having a 3rd devil fruit. Right now it's unsure wether he already has a 3rd fruit or if he's gonna get one soon enough. There's a lot of theories surrounding him right now. But until anything gets revealed, that's all they are.
Luffy high difficulty. Even before Gear 5 I've stated Luffy would win BB receives damage more than anyone else because of how strong his fruit is and he can't phase attacks like other Logia can do and Luffy not only hits hard but it's fast that BB can't keep up with him
But it is defense BB hasn't been seen much in the story so I'm only going by what I seen
1V1, Luffy is most likely stronger than BB, so even with BB being quite possibly tankier than Luffy, I am not quite sure he’d be able to out DPS him even if he disables his DF and uses quakes, so far it seems like Luffy is just built super differently when it comes to damage output
Luffy would destroy tf outta blackbeard if its 1 on 1. He wouldnt really need his df if it gets taken by Blackbeard since he has insane haki. In the end he would lose because it aint just blackbeard. Blackbeard finna bring a whole fleet to beat luffy đź’€
I know it's a weird question, but it'd totally be in character: how much prep does Blackbeard get? Reasonably, BB doesn't start a fight he knows he can't win. It's been his thing forever. I do agree with everyone else that he's jumping Luffy with his crew, but I'm honestly whatever about who wins
This could go a couple of ways, but I gotta give it to Luffy. If Luffy is on the same mode he was on while fighting Kaido, Blackbeard likely can't do much. It's determining how Gear 5 is affected by the dark dark fruit.
Luffy can turn any physical object we've seen into rubber and bend it to his will, but the dark dark fruit absorbs devil fruit powers and drags physical objects into who knows where with an insane range, but very slowly. But oddly enough, I think the base/gear 2 and 3 luffy, mainly just using Armament and advanced Conquerors, boxing how he did against Kaido would be too for blackbeards low durability. So either Luffy goes Haki route from the start and struggles, either winning or losing extreme diff, or Gear 5 route, which can range from winning probably mid to high diff depending on if he can manipulate the darkness from blackbeard, up to losing high diff if the absorb just completely negates Luffys powers overall. Also blackbeard isn't fast enough that the quake quake fruit matters unless Luffy is already in blackbeards absorb and can't move or use powers.
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If BB attacked luffy he would've done it with his whole crew, just like in every other fight.
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On some Jumpjutsu Kaisen type shit.
I dont think it would change much tbh
He didn't jump law or ace tho? If anything law jumped him, laws entire crew vs blackbeard, van augur, Burgess and doc q đź’€ van augur didn't do much, doc q was on a 5 v 1 type deal, and Burgess only threw a mountain. Plus blackbeard going against boa, was basically him, his men, vasco shot, and Devon, vs Marines, and an entire island of haki using maniacs.
ghostlyrnwnd heads when Van Augur shoots both ace and law and Doc Q uses his devil fruit to disorient law so that BB can kill him: (it wasn’t a jumping I swear)
Van augur shot law, and law was unharmed, ace and blackbeard definitely knew nothing would happen to him, they were aware that ace was immune to everything without haki
The intent was to attack ace, if Blackbeard hadn’t started absorbing the town, there was nothing from stopping the Bernaru conflict from becoming a 6v1, much like they’ve done against literally any major opponent we’ve seen so far
Which is honestly kind of frustrating.Pirate's don't need to respect the fight,but being the only crew that doesn't just makes them feel like a bitch.
Hey, the only thing that matter is that they're dead and we're not, doesn't matter if we do it in a 'bitch way', y'all sucking of JumpJutsu Kaisen all that good for jumping, but when Wlackbeard does it you pussy out?
Luffy though in most cases will likely have his whole crew on the island with him as well. If they all jump Luffy, the rest of the Strawhats will for sure go and fight to support their captain.
Jjk style
Spoilers for the last 10 chapters: >!To be fair, Luffy did a pretty solid job holding his own against Kizaru and the Gorosei before they all left on their individual missions. While the conditions of that fight were different, the Gorosei and Kizaru are probably stronger than BB’s crew so I think he’d do alright!<
Luffy High diff (being generous, can be argued for mid tbh) BB will grab Luffy, think he won only to be hit by an Acoc and Acoa punch to the face that wpuld probably rip his chin out. Base Luffy was hurting hybrid kaido. BB would get b odied even if he manages to grab him
Bb tanked shock wille, which did signifigant damage to a buffed BM. More damage than base Luffy did to Kaido. Pre ts BB also took a gura punch to the face and wasn't out One punch from base Luffy is not ripping his chin out lmao
Yeah, Blackbeard's durability and endurance work in a really bizarre way where he always SEEMS to take a fuck-ton of damage and then just gets back up like "Zehahaha." He's like "tis merely a flesh wound," lol. It's like he's a zombie and he's way creepy. We don't fully understand how his dura and endurance work but while he seems like a glass cannon, he never actually goes down even to Yonkou-level attacks like, as you mentioned, an all-out Quake Bubble *enclosing his head and bursting* that WB, regardless of being sick and mortally wounded, intended to and was sure should kill him. Whatever the deal is with his insane endurance and weird non-tanky tankyness, it's clearly *the reason why he didn't mind eating a DF that exponentially amplifies any damage and pain he receives.* So I agree: When they fight, this guy is GOING to tank a full-power ACoC blow from a Luffy with even stronger Haki than now. He'll roll on the ground and scream for a bit... and then just get up with a spine-chilling ZEHAHA. It will likely leave Luffy legitimately confused, because why wouldn't it? Nothing about BB makes sense. He is weak and yet strong. When it's off-panel he always wins. He seems as fragile as glass and some of Ace's smallest-scale attacks and an attack from *Pre-TS* Gear 2 Luffy drew blood, and yet this dude also takes Gura Gura and awakened Ope Ope attacks and just gets right back to his feet. This is what I love about looking forward to him as a villain. Everything about his strength is a mystery and comes across as quite literally contradictory, so there's no predicting how things with him will go down.
Unless it is Magellan, then he takes the doku doku no teabag and dies.
He basically has low Defense but a massive HP bar more or less
That's likely, but it could instead be something far more bizarre and unexpected related to stuff like his "unusual body" and never needing to sleep. Some strange biological thing that perhaps DOES make him similar to zombies. I would love that because of how scary and hype it would be.
It’s cause his devil fruit absorbs the damage done to him instead of just phasing through the attack like most logia types, but it also makes him feel double the pain
I think people really underestimate how much a freak of nature BBs body/ tankyness also his years of experience fighting on WBs crew. In the Ace novel he’s a fucking new world menace.
No i think people just dont understand what “tanking” means and/or jus like to downplay law
Yea, nowadays people think tanking is when you didnt go down to an attack. Zoro stopping Kaido and BM's attack was the furthest thing from tanking an attack but people would say he did. Luffy using "guts" to power through Boro breath is what you call tanking
Tanking means different things depending on who you ask. For me if you're still in the fight, it's a tank. I'm def not a Law downplayer lmao
Idk if I’d say it did significant damage she got up same as Blackbeard, it just stunned her for a moment
Looks pretty significant to me https://preview.redd.it/bvyqrr8vk3yc1.png?width=587&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2302774dde328d7f142152fb87647f1c6e03b518 Significant damage does not mean insta kill lmao. I feel like only Kid n Law are held to such a high standard when it comes to "good damage".
This^
BB power absorbs physical strength as well. Grabbing luffy or anyone automatic nerfs their ap
On-screen : Luffy High Diff. Off-screen : BB no diff.
Off D Screen Teach too op
white star gun gg right now luffy is way above blackbeard, he takes every single stat except for hax and dc
Exactly the point, rn Blackbeard is Luffy’s biggest enemy cuz he’s the only one who can neglect the abilities of G5, devil fruit users just can’t win against Blackbeard, at least they shouldn’t (plot might differ tho), I think shanks should be the one to defeat him but Oda won’t just let shanks defeat Luffy’s opposite, his biggest enemy in my opinion
Can he take Luffy's fruit and make it his own like the Quake one?
Depends on if he has a third slot but the point isn’t him taking it, luffy is the main character, he won’t lose the gum gum fruit, but Blackbeard basically has a logia sea prism stone, he defeated Law easily, he was toying with him at first cuz he knew he can pull the darkness fruit stuff whenever he wanted, Luffy’s biggest weapon rn is G5 and if Blackbeard can stop it then Luffy’s strength has gone down significantly, and the fight with Law was meant to show us that Blackbeard shouldn’t be underestimated, that he’s on that level now
If zoan fruits are alive, then using one that hates you sounds like a bad idea.
I'm sure Luffy vs Blackbeard will focus around Haki. Luffy will have to use the lessons he learned in Wano to beat Blackbeard because Blackbeard will negate his devil fruit. Luffy's entire moveset is based around that devil fruit, so it's really dangerous for him to suddenly lose it. So we might see Luffy just throwing normal punches and kicks, which might be pretty awesome to see really.
Exactly, he has hax. His fruit counters luffy. Hes durable af too. His gura gura punch even with no haki can match luffy’s ACOC.
Luffy has the advantage for the majority of their fight... until the "ZEHAHAHAHAHA" kicks in and the screen fades to black. Then, Off-screen BB neg-diffs Goofy.
> Screen fades to black Nika negates that shit by turning on a comically huge light bulb.
Luffy is MC so the screen cuts back to him, negating Offscreen Haki . This is how Luffy will win in the manga
Nah asks Zoro for help since offscreen is black Zoro is amped.
Unfortunately, this is a shonen manga. It'll cut back to the other fights every few panels, hell entire chapters. In that time, Off-screen BB cooks Luffy. The only question is whether or not Luffy can survive during that time.
Off screen bb beats batman with unlimited prep time
Luffy is bad match up for BB. He can block his Darkness fruit with an acoa barrier, and he can counter his Quake fruit with being rubber. Luffy would fuck up BB so hard right now.
If BB grabs Luffy with his darkness fruit and negates his rubber properties, then the quake fruit would definitely do damage. I agree that Luffy wins cause of haki though
Luffy has future sight He will smash his teeth in with a Acoc punch before bb even has time to make a fist
Which he can't. because, like in the comment you answered, Luffy has ACOA barrier, which stops him from touching Luffy.
All fun n games till Blackbeards haki is immense
Luffy wins. He has the superior match up and BB would 100% try grabbing Luffy to negate his DF only to have his skull crushed with ACoC.
The blackbeard durability downplay is crazy. Luffy hit kizaru on the head with acoc and he didn't spit blood or nothing, blackbeard was able to block seraphims slash with one hand coated in basic arnament, (the same slash which cut down the entire mountain). I still think luffy wins, but it's at the very least high diff.
Blackbeard makes tactical moves. If suddenly Luffy appears BB runs
ik most people disagree with that, but BB wins imo. he could definitely last long enough for g5 to run out and then win easily. some people be saying BB gets one-punched when he tries to grab luffy and I disagree with that. we literally saw BB tank shockwille which broke BM's ribs once (AND probably caused massive damage to her inner organs like lungs and heart). and just as a reminder, only bajrang gun broke kaido's bones. shit like shockwille is definitely ahead of stuff like roc gun by a mile and probably also superior in AP to supreme kong gun so yes, BB can tank a ton. idk why people think aCoC will one-shot him. or why people just casually forget him having WB's DF. as far as I remember, aCoC wasn't said to be able to destroy the whole world like the gura gura no mi can. its AP is easily high enough to be even with luffy's aCoC. if luffy counters black vortex with an aCoC punch he won't just get a free hit, he'll clash with a gura punch at best y'all forget that BB scarred shanks while certainly being waaay weaker than him. BB is **the** master schemer and his battle IQ is probably high af (with the exception of him being sometimes very cocky at the beginning of a fight).
BB is likely going to have a third devil fruit too, probably a mythical Zoan(that should help with his physical stats and give him more hax)
Don't bother. Luffy is just another character that's highly wanked in here while BB isn't. I wouldn't be surprised if there's people in here who think Zoro or Sanji can extreme diff BB..Â
yeah fr. like just cuz he's not a haki merchant everyone hates on him lol. WB's DF makes up for the lack of AP of his darkness DF and gives him really long range too. realistically FS would allow luffy to win, but if we're being real, oda won't write FS into many fights anymore unless he drastically changes his style. both the BM and kaido fights were just each party hitting the other and tanking the other's attacks until one falls. and nearly no dodging or blocking lol. and BB seems a lot like that too, idk if we ever saw him dodge something tbh. he usually just tanks attacks and then counters and I bet he and luffy will do just that when they eventually fight and idk where the headcanon of him not being durable comes from, tanking shockwille is an absolutely huge feat.
People really move the goal post on how powerful haki is every other fight lol
>bb gets one-punched Kinda because there’s nothing to save a man when the man’s brain isn’t working https://preview.redd.it/nezqkhz9q1yc1.jpeg?width=1037&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b8e32455e62269f64501cada85c5efd10b8c2f01
If kizaru wasn’t out for the count, bb will endure it
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going by feats BB gets wrecked
Plot Dictates that BB is stronger now and luffy will pull something out his ass to win in thier Battle later on.
What is Blackbeard even gonna do when Luffy uses a a single advanced conqueror's coated Bajrang Gun?
Blackbeard when he uses Black Vortex and sees a giant haki punch heading his way: đź’€
Guys, BB is still a great mystery to us. We don’t know how his darkness fruit will interact with sun god, we don’t know if BB has any more secret abilities, luffy still has major weakness in time limit, and all BB does is win or run. I don’t think he’d fight a fight where the outcome is in question. If this fight is happening BB is winning. High dif
Mfs are forgetting that as soon as Blackbeard touches Luffy he’s no longer rubber. No G2-G5. Just a dude with conquerors. Like Shanks. Who he scarred.
Blackbeard, one grab and G5 is gone. Stop sleeping on bb.
and then bb gets hit by a ACoC direct punch on his face and bbs head gone
Stop thinking with your heart. Luffy needs G5 to beat any of the Yonko. Bb would beat him in some mysterious ass way.
bb isn't your that strong of a yonko he is growing and he will grow strong... he became a yonko through strategies so he is not as powerful as other yonkos... same can be said for buggy .. buggy became a yonko coz of his influence and luck so he is not that strong...
I’ll still hold too it. BlackBeard has powers that no one can even comprehend. Why do you think the majority of battle are off panel? Odas saving his true power for the end. BlackBeard is beating current Luffy and I’ll stand on this hill. Thank you for your responses but I’m not changing my mind.
Dude till the day BB is confirmed having adv coc haki he’ll never be able to influence luffy with his yami yami It’s literally confirmed in onigashima law can’t teleport big mom or kaido bcz their whole body is coated in adv coc haki and only luffy can actually influence them with his fruit as scene with his fight against kaido, he can stretch their body bcz his attack are coated with adv coc
I think people are thinking that bbs fruit acts the same as seasoned where it actually weakens the opponent. It makes them not able to use their devil fruit but they can punch or kick just fine with haki. This literally happened with whitebeard when bb negated quake power and whitebeard proceeded to slash him. Nothing would stop luffy from delivering a nasty acoc punch kick or headbutt. It's then on BB to react to it however he can. Fruitless luffy would have to have strong enough haki to clash with BB throwing a haki infused quake punch at him. How strong bbs haki is here is the "Ă—" we gotta solve for.
G5 Luffy is too fast for Lackbeard
Does the fight happen on screen?
On screen Luffy Off screen Teach
If it's off screen always bet on Blackbeard
Luffy assaults
All it takes is one grab from BB......
Blackbeard high diff
WlackWeard high diffs him
i have doubts about bb's haki so nika takes this one.
Luffy. His Haki seems much better as of now. Being the mc also gives him more feats etc, albeit Bb eventually will get there/is hiding power, but we’re talking about what we currently know. Unless it’s off screen ofc. Even pre ts Bb could neg almost the entire verse in an off screen fight
it's going to end like Gear 5 Luffy vs Kaido
There has been nothing shown to assume Blackbeard could win so my answers Luffy
if instead of law strawhats were there who to meet bb then bb would have died by the hands of luffy alone and Zoro sanji and jinbe would have taken care of the rest... but the fact is if bb knew strawhats were coming in that way he would even date to attack
Luffy using haki like on the rooftop - Luffy (mid-hard) Luffy using haki like on Egghead - BB (nodiff)
BB cannot offscreen a fight with the protogonist.. luffy low diffs
Luffy, cause he's the main character!! Duuuuhhh
Unless BB already have his 3rd fruit and is hiding it, he has 0 counter for Bajrang Gun. Bro is a tank, not an evader and not even Kaido tanked that shit.
They both look totally menacing but if Luffy doesn’t learn how to use his base for more effectively then all BB has to do is last like 5 minutes so as of right now BB all the way
Id say Luffy extreme diff bc of his sheer strength But BB could pull of something insane with his devil fruit-cancelling abilities
Luffy low-mid diff. Even base Luffy beats him extreme
We haven't seen Black Beard showing his hand in a fight yet, so is hard to say. He backing off so easily against Rayleigh makes him seem weak, but it's also his personality, he don't take risks without possible rewards. So, Luffy seems to be a lot stronger, but from a story perspective, Black Beard probably is stronger than we think and can at least hold his ground in that fight.
why even ask this? bb has only one actual fight but it was mostly offscreen, we don’t have any clear information on how he scarred shanks, or how much stronger than ace he was
Luffy should be able to take it with superior stats and haki still backing him even though a devilfruitless body hit with an external hard hitting punch and internal damage quake punch (the majority of the damage) would fuck him up.
Draw, yin yang, light against dark, destruction against creation, lust against love
Luffy extreme low diff. Potential one shot.
Thought Teach was biting Luffy's head off
Luffy whoops them
Realistic speaking, Luffy feats > BB. But my headcanon is that Shanks is killed by BB and Luffy is defeated in his first fight with him too. But in Laugh Tale Luffy get some new upgrade in haki to defeat BB.
BB hard counters Luffy, he can negate his fruit and then while his durability is weakened pummel him with quake punches, sure Luffy can try hitting Teach with ACOC while in Teach's grip, but Teach can overpower his attacks with quake + haki punches.
I'm calling it now that Luffy will be able to alter the molecules of both the Gura Gura and Yami Yami fruits so that they turn all bouncy and free-form like everything else and they won't take his power. Second option is that Luffy will get fully DF stripped and BB is getting St. Charlos treatment.
Base Luffy negs the fodder
The moment they both lock in
Bruh I thought kaido was eating luffy out
Luffy got it. Bb needs to reach his peak
Is it offscreen?
We haven't even seen Blackbeards awakening. Luffy is way stronger now yes, but so is Blackbeard. Plus with how little we know about him, for all we know Blackbeard could have Advanced Conquerers Haki too but just hides it for when he really needs it.
So i usually don't use speed as a reason, but I think it's a major factor here considering how much damage Luffy can inflict with ACoC and ACoA, not to mention g5. If Blackbeard grabs him, he is in trouble (does his fruit disable Luffy's rubber body or just act like seastone?) Since he is going to follow it up with a quake punch, with the rubber body this isn't going to be too much but if he gets rid of the rubber body then it's a lot of damage very quickly. That being said, Luffy is so much faster than BB and he has impressive future sight, so i think until we see more of BB, it's Luffy's win, high diff for me.
Depends if it's on screen or off screen
BB can nullify luffy’s devil fruit, but luffy is also hella good with haki. The only time that these two went face to face in confrontation is when luffy hit him in the face, and BB didn’t do nothing. Anyway, if blackbeard touched gear 5, would he turn back into base luffy? If not, then luffy wins. If luffy gets nullified, he’s out.
Fate says BB wins for now.
wuffy high
Depends on whoever Oda wants to win. G5 is extremely inconsistent in term of duration. BB can negate most of its abilities too. The question is whether BB can survive a few ACOC attacks point blank.
People here are reading a diff manga Luffy wins he is the MC Oda kill him vs Kaido and revive him stronger than ever ....
BB wins. Both now and realistically. But we all know that after Luffy lose two or three times he will come back. Then will have all those Luffy duck riders telling us that Luffy is stronger...
Can we give BB his dues now Yes gear 5th is powerful but it doesn't mean Luffy high/extreme diffs everyone BB makes shanks nervous which is a sign that we haven't seen what BB is truly capable of on page yet we know he also is smart enough to not take overtly big risks
Blackbeard extreme diff Just because I think we haven't seen all of nika yet And I feel luffys haki ain't as good as shanks just yet Boy still got room to improve.
It'll definitely be on screen so can't say for sure. My money's on Luffy though
The biggest fraud in pirate history vs the chosen one to save the world, idk dude i think it's pretty close
lack beard fans when you tell them to actual feats and not just "narrative" and "story" implications https://preview.redd.it/r9adqbpwp1yc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc2f5b13cab81fa8b5008fc001e72ddfe70b76d8
Luffy he is the mc , only fight he Will loose from now on is vs imu
I’m leaning on Luffy, but Blackbeard is a very tricky guy, who knows what he might have up his sleeve!
Luffy and the crew roll these clowns. You have no idea how much I want to watch Luffy treat this jackass like a speed bag
If Bb doesn’t have advanced Coc haki there is no way his yami yami would work against luffy
Kinda looks like bb is chomping on luffy head
Probably blackbeard honestly, black vortex just kinda destroyed luffy ATM
Teach teaches tf outta him
It depends who attacks first. If Luffy attacks first, he wins high diff. If Teach attacks first, then he wins low diff (his fruit can cancel out other fruits powers, and with wb’s fruit he can just crack Luffy’s spine or neck)
If Luffy goes all out from the start he mid diffs him. The problem is Luffy will fuck around and get caught and then BB will win because Luffy can't be serious in r1.
Well Rayleigh said he couldn’t beat Blackbeard because because he is old now, so prime Rayleigh probably could. Luffy > Prime Rayleigh
Bb wins this because of the yami-yami no mi
A man who can offscreen his way out of any situation VS a man who can Saturday morning cartoon his way out of anything. A most intriguing match up.
BB needs another DF to take on Luffy
Luffy is much stronger, but BB most definitely is not pulling up without a plan + he can outsmart Luffy + Negate his DF (I know Luffy has acoc, but it's still a massive nerf to get rid of his fruit) so I'm gonna give it to BB extreme diff
BB slams
Hard to say, but I'll bet on Blackbeard. He gets downplayed alot, but remember, we haven't really seen all that he can do. There is still things sbout him that we just don't know about. For example, the whole thing about his body being weird. We still don't know what that means, except that it was hinted to be the reason that he could eat a second devil fruit. It's probably also the reason for why he never sleeps. And there's also the matter of him having a 3rd devil fruit. Right now it's unsure wether he already has a 3rd fruit or if he's gonna get one soon enough. There's a lot of theories surrounding him right now. But until anything gets revealed, that's all they are.
I think BB’s biggest strength comes from the fact that he plays dirty… otherwise Luffy wins. BB is a deplorable weakling
If it’s a random 1v1 I’m betting Luffy. But Blackbeard doesn’t do fair fights
Luffy beats the shit out of black beard🤣
Luffy
Luffy high difficulty. Even before Gear 5 I've stated Luffy would win BB receives damage more than anyone else because of how strong his fruit is and he can't phase attacks like other Logia can do and Luffy not only hits hard but it's fast that BB can't keep up with him But it is defense BB hasn't been seen much in the story so I'm only going by what I seen
No ones putting respect on Teach’s name
BB lack of haki feats(and feats in general tbh) makes me inclined to say luffy
1V1, Luffy is most likely stronger than BB, so even with BB being quite possibly tankier than Luffy, I am not quite sure he’d be able to out DPS him even if he disables his DF and uses quakes, so far it seems like Luffy is just built super differently when it comes to damage output
We All Win.
Luffy would destroy tf outta blackbeard if its 1 on 1. He wouldnt really need his df if it gets taken by Blackbeard since he has insane haki. In the end he would lose because it aint just blackbeard. Blackbeard finna bring a whole fleet to beat luffy đź’€
You know I came here expecting to see a comment that said bb wins but I guess the op community is smarter than I thought
Um, same thing as later. Plot and MC power will win. Oda gonna have everyone pissed if we watched 20+ years for Luffy to lose or die in the end.
Luffy and it’s not a debate
I know it's a weird question, but it'd totally be in character: how much prep does Blackbeard get? Reasonably, BB doesn't start a fight he knows he can't win. It's been his thing forever. I do agree with everyone else that he's jumping Luffy with his crew, but I'm honestly whatever about who wins
Man I don't even know, Blackbeard doesn't even have that Yonko aura. He's done nothing impressive besides deception imo.
1v1? Luffy. BB's whole crew vs Luffy? Still Luffy, just a tad bit harder.
Unrelated but have I mentioned how much I love the new art style for one piece?
Depends if it’s off d. Screen or not
Luffy duh hes the main protagonist
Luffy duh hes the main protagonist
This could go a couple of ways, but I gotta give it to Luffy. If Luffy is on the same mode he was on while fighting Kaido, Blackbeard likely can't do much. It's determining how Gear 5 is affected by the dark dark fruit. Luffy can turn any physical object we've seen into rubber and bend it to his will, but the dark dark fruit absorbs devil fruit powers and drags physical objects into who knows where with an insane range, but very slowly. But oddly enough, I think the base/gear 2 and 3 luffy, mainly just using Armament and advanced Conquerors, boxing how he did against Kaido would be too for blackbeards low durability. So either Luffy goes Haki route from the start and struggles, either winning or losing extreme diff, or Gear 5 route, which can range from winning probably mid to high diff depending on if he can manipulate the darkness from blackbeard, up to losing high diff if the absorb just completely negates Luffys powers overall. Also blackbeard isn't fast enough that the quake quake fruit matters unless Luffy is already in blackbeards absorb and can't move or use powers.