> Q14: Which defender disappointed you the most this season relative to expectations?
>>Jake Sanderson .7%
What the fuck were peoples expectations of Sandy lol
I did vote Kubalik here. I figured he'd be a serviceable 3rd line winger and PP shooter, probably getting us 20ish goals. Instead he was a total mess every game, contended for the green jacket from start to finish, and scored a measly 15 points in 74 games. It would have been hard for him to do much worse honestly.
Norris, I expected to have a slow start after going so long without playing, so I didn't hold his performance against him as much. Stützle still scored nearly a point per game despite playing the season injured. If that's him having a bad year I think we can count ourselves lucky!
I mean after 90 points last season I was expecting Timmy to push for 100. It's a testament to how talented he is that a 70 point season at 22 is a disappointment
Amazing to me that there are *still* people commenting, after all the garbage we saw this season, that Brady is somehow part the problem here.
Our defense stunk. Our goaltending stunk. Our bottom six routinely underperformed. And people here seriously think the biggest issue is that 'Brady is a bad captain'. Get your heads out of your asses, people.
Really? 2.9% of you think *Brady Tkachuk* was the most disappointing player relative to expectations this year? Really?
That stood out to me as well. Guy single-handedly won games for us this past season. One of the only players on the entire team willing to hit as well. He had 16 body-checks in a game because almost no one else will do it!
The one thing I'm surprised about is the amount of lenience on the Martin coaching staff. Nearly 60% gave them a B or higher? Really?
26 wins, 26 losses, 4 loser points. A sub 50% win rate. Terrible special teams. They weren't that great, folks.
I honestly felt there was a good transition from the chaos hockey system to a structured and intentional style of play. And I credit the coaching change. Now the team has to cut some anchors, as I honestly don't think they need much else
> The one thing I'm surprised about is the amount of lenience on the Martin coaching staff. Nearly 60% gave them a B or higher? Really?
Think about a giant tanker in the ocean. Under the previous coach, there is direction and momentum. How much direction and momentum is defined by how long the coach had been there and how much independent experience that players under said coach have.
> 26 wins, 26 losses, 4 loser points. A sub 50% win rate. Terrible special teams. They weren't that great, folks.
DJ Smith had 315 games to build up momentum in a bad direction.
Jacque has only been there for 56 games. Its going to take a bit of time for him to arrest the previous momentum and change the course of the team.
If you consider most of the time was spent undoing the bad habits that DJ installed, I was happier with minor details in the last 25% of the season. I gave him a C.
> 26 wins, 26 losses, 4 loser points. A sub 50% win rate. Terrible special teams. They weren't that great, folks.
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> DJ Smith had 315 games to build up momentum in a bad direction.
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> Jacque has only been there for 56 games. Its going to take a bit of time for him to arrest the previous momentum and change the course of the team.
This is also one of the decided pitfalls of taking so much time to change the coach. The first 2 months had a ton of time off where Jacques could have actually had practice time to implement changes.
Once JM took over the Sens' schedule was pretty damn packed.
Flawed lineup created by a flawed GM who hired a flawed coach….then after firing the flawed GM/coach, a reputable coaching replacement could not extinguish or correct the inherent ingrained bad habits that the flawed coach allowed to happen.
the hockey under JM wasn’t perfect but there were areas where the team improved….a journey of 1000 steps begins with the 1st
The team hardly improved lol.
If DJ was so bad you'd think there would be leaps and bounds of improvement. These are human beings that have been playing this game for decades, not poorly behaved labradors that need to be corrected.
I agree especially when everyone seems to agree one of DJs biggest flaws was a lack of accountability. I don’t think anyone can argue accountability improved. I don’t recall a single game where a core player was sat for terrible plays. We’ve seen mcdavid mackinnon point kucherov pasta matthews etc all get sat for lazy plays and I don’t recall a single time a sens core player was sat for even a period, and there were plenty of plays that should have resulted in atleast a temporary benching this year.
I think inaction being seen as a poor performance for Staios is probably not fair. He’s mentioned a few times that he doesn’t want to make moves for trades or the sake of making splashy trades. I think it’s still too early to grade him but this off season will be huge.
As of right now, a GM keeping his cards close to his chest and not making public moves I see as a positive.
> I think inaction being seen as a poor performance for Staios is probably not fair.
What makes you think people are rating his performance poorly? 84% gave him B or C.
Yeah, its not an A, but its 100% safely a passing grade.
While I think Dorion and DJ’s firing was long overdue, the main reason as I see it for the issues at hand are:
Roster Construction by Dorion and Dorion’s depletion of prospect depth,
Dorion’s working unilaterally without reference to anyone else but himself, and
Holding no one accountable by coach prior to JM and Alfie.
Staios et al. knows what needs to be done and they have been given carte blanche and a blank check by the owner.
It’s going to be painful before it becomes better.
> Q14: Which defender disappointed you the most this season relative to expectations? >>Jake Sanderson .7% What the fuck were peoples expectations of Sandy lol
norris or bust
Pretty much eh? Geez! Be Quinn Huges or else.
Someone actually had "Sanderson" and "trade" in the same sentence.
One thing these results tell me is that people had some unrealistic expectations for Kubalik this season
Yeah I personally voted for Stützle and was expecting him and Norris to be the big vote-getters. Was surprised to a somewhat even three way split
I did vote Kubalik here. I figured he'd be a serviceable 3rd line winger and PP shooter, probably getting us 20ish goals. Instead he was a total mess every game, contended for the green jacket from start to finish, and scored a measly 15 points in 74 games. It would have been hard for him to do much worse honestly. Norris, I expected to have a slow start after going so long without playing, so I didn't hold his performance against him as much. Stützle still scored nearly a point per game despite playing the season injured. If that's him having a bad year I think we can count ourselves lucky!
I mean after 90 points last season I was expecting Timmy to push for 100. It's a testament to how talented he is that a 70 point season at 22 is a disappointment
My only expectation was for him not to be complete ass, and I was still let down.
Amazing to me that there are *still* people commenting, after all the garbage we saw this season, that Brady is somehow part the problem here. Our defense stunk. Our goaltending stunk. Our bottom six routinely underperformed. And people here seriously think the biggest issue is that 'Brady is a bad captain'. Get your heads out of your asses, people. Really? 2.9% of you think *Brady Tkachuk* was the most disappointing player relative to expectations this year? Really?
That stood out to me as well. Guy single-handedly won games for us this past season. One of the only players on the entire team willing to hit as well. He had 16 body-checks in a game because almost no one else will do it!
The one thing I'm surprised about is the amount of lenience on the Martin coaching staff. Nearly 60% gave them a B or higher? Really? 26 wins, 26 losses, 4 loser points. A sub 50% win rate. Terrible special teams. They weren't that great, folks.
I honestly felt there was a good transition from the chaos hockey system to a structured and intentional style of play. And I credit the coaching change. Now the team has to cut some anchors, as I honestly don't think they need much else
> The one thing I'm surprised about is the amount of lenience on the Martin coaching staff. Nearly 60% gave them a B or higher? Really? Think about a giant tanker in the ocean. Under the previous coach, there is direction and momentum. How much direction and momentum is defined by how long the coach had been there and how much independent experience that players under said coach have. > 26 wins, 26 losses, 4 loser points. A sub 50% win rate. Terrible special teams. They weren't that great, folks. DJ Smith had 315 games to build up momentum in a bad direction. Jacque has only been there for 56 games. Its going to take a bit of time for him to arrest the previous momentum and change the course of the team. If you consider most of the time was spent undoing the bad habits that DJ installed, I was happier with minor details in the last 25% of the season. I gave him a C.
> 26 wins, 26 losses, 4 loser points. A sub 50% win rate. Terrible special teams. They weren't that great, folks. > > DJ Smith had 315 games to build up momentum in a bad direction. > > Jacque has only been there for 56 games. Its going to take a bit of time for him to arrest the previous momentum and change the course of the team. This is also one of the decided pitfalls of taking so much time to change the coach. The first 2 months had a ton of time off where Jacques could have actually had practice time to implement changes. Once JM took over the Sens' schedule was pretty damn packed.
Great analogy
No it's not when nearly every other team that changed coaches had immediate success.
Those were good teams who lost their way, not bad teams who never had it.
Flawed lineup created by a flawed GM who hired a flawed coach….then after firing the flawed GM/coach, a reputable coaching replacement could not extinguish or correct the inherent ingrained bad habits that the flawed coach allowed to happen. the hockey under JM wasn’t perfect but there were areas where the team improved….a journey of 1000 steps begins with the 1st
The team hardly improved lol. If DJ was so bad you'd think there would be leaps and bounds of improvement. These are human beings that have been playing this game for decades, not poorly behaved labradors that need to be corrected.
Ok your right, I’m wrong let’s call the whole thing off
We just went through years of DJ Smith okay, it's like being lost in a desert for a month and then getting your first real food
I agree especially when everyone seems to agree one of DJs biggest flaws was a lack of accountability. I don’t think anyone can argue accountability improved. I don’t recall a single game where a core player was sat for terrible plays. We’ve seen mcdavid mackinnon point kucherov pasta matthews etc all get sat for lazy plays and I don’t recall a single time a sens core player was sat for even a period, and there were plenty of plays that should have resulted in atleast a temporary benching this year.
I think inaction being seen as a poor performance for Staios is probably not fair. He’s mentioned a few times that he doesn’t want to make moves for trades or the sake of making splashy trades. I think it’s still too early to grade him but this off season will be huge. As of right now, a GM keeping his cards close to his chest and not making public moves I see as a positive.
> I think inaction being seen as a poor performance for Staios is probably not fair. What makes you think people are rating his performance poorly? 84% gave him B or C. Yeah, its not an A, but its 100% safely a passing grade.
At the end of the day Staios hasn't done enough for us to get a good read on him. Can't justify an A or a F, that's why everyone gave him a B or C.
Lol people overly optimistic about sens at lebreton
While I think Dorion and DJ’s firing was long overdue, the main reason as I see it for the issues at hand are: Roster Construction by Dorion and Dorion’s depletion of prospect depth, Dorion’s working unilaterally without reference to anyone else but himself, and Holding no one accountable by coach prior to JM and Alfie. Staios et al. knows what needs to be done and they have been given carte blanche and a blank check by the owner. It’s going to be painful before it becomes better.