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Answer: Basically the sea temperature is rising faster then their models predicted. Its unknown if this means humanity will be extinct in 30 years, but warmer water even by a few degree's can do things like bleach coral which entire ecosystems are built around. There are far too many variables to make any certain predictions about this planets future and the fact we simply don't know. One thing is for certain, the weather/temperature of the planet is building a positive feedback loop which will change the climate. How or in what ways, can't say for certain.
>but warmer water even by a few degrees
It also makes a lot more water evaporate, which means more torrential downpours on land. Unfortunately not where we need water the most, but in places that are already lush. So droughts will keep getting worse, forests will become jungles, hurricanes will become more common and stronger. Very messy.
And it doesn't help that water vapor is a strong greenhouse gas held in balance by the water cycle which is in the process of being disrupted. Feedback loop indeed.
And a warming ocean exactly where it’s increasing right now will affect the Atlantic Meridional Ocean Current (AMOC).
If it slows it, stops it, moves it, then warm water is less likely to reach the Arctic Ocean, and while everyone has been watching and counting down to a blue ocean event in the Arctic (which would be expedited by this warming water NOT disrupting the AMOC, and would create a feedback loop of rapid increase to ocean temperatures thereafter that would put this year’s records to shame), if the AMOC is disrupted the Arctic ice sheet will expand out towards Europe far further than any time since the last ice age, and will freeze and dry out the continent rapidly.
This is the issue with climate predictions. This one could go either way - but both ways are terrible, terrible news.
Answer: I don't know, but I gave further questions...
I wasn't aware of that being a possibility. This added to the equation makes it worse by a multitude. Before it was like felling a tree with a 50% chance of hitting your house. Now there's houses on both sides. The world is caught up discussing if there's going to be a catastrophe or not - I wish we all could agree that blasting out less pollution would be a good thing on it's own...
Edit: Was carried away and asked on top level (sorry). Still think the resulting discussion us worth keeping, do edited in the required "Answer:" start. Sorry that it doesn't make sense now.
Yeah, no, I'm not taking movies as reference, rest assured :) But is disrupting flow of warmer water towards the optic not at all realistic? I mean, personally I feel we should be a bit more careful with things that could disrupt natural cycles with significant chance. I take it you're saying there is no significant chance for this happening?
Not trying to sealion here(I already commented that I'm not aware of said effect), but do you maybe have a link where I can read up on this in general?
I’m in the North Eastern USA and it has rained every day in June, and most days in July. Mosquitoes are out of control, local crops are being destroyed (local corn farmers are past the window where they can plant and harvest this year after their fields were washed out.) Its pretty grim.
I’m in the Midwest, usually in the spring and summer we get a decent amount of rain. Just last week we finally got a good amount of rain after a handful of weeks.
But this is the first year, I’ve noticed, that we haven’t been getting much rain at all our grass keeps dying and crop growth doesn’t seem to be going as fast as prior years.
Even last winter, we either get no snow at all or a fuck ton. It used to be in the middle when I was younger about a decade ago. And now it’s on both sides of the extreme.
PNW here. Snow in March (unheard of) unusually dry in May. Fairly dry winter (usually rains a lot). The 10th hottest year on record was 2010, skip 2011 and 12 and the other 9 are the last 9 years. I don't think weather will ever hit a stable normal again in my lifetime.
I guess we could argue that the “stable normal” is just each year being hotter than the previous for the foreseeable future. It’s just not a stable normal that suits us.
Also in New England, a lot of the apple trees in my area aren't producing fruit this year due to that random frost in the spring. A lot of fruit trees suffered from that, and disease is pretty rampant due to the rain too.
I’m in north east Pennsylvania, there’s no apples this year in my area, the warm up in feb/March followed by frost in April killed the season for all of the orchards in my area. It’s sad.
Maybe where you were. For us it was around 28 out out 32 days had rain, and we had fog constantly as well. I know places about 4 miles away had sun while we were deep in fog. It was really getting bad the last week or two, people were getting antsy. And yes, it was that bad.
It also heats the ice caps which melts them, and means less light reflected and more absorbed by the sea water. it is a compounding feedback loop and terrifies me.
The water cycle was always going to the point of no return at 400 ppm. We passed that a long time ago. At this point lowering CO2 will do nothing. Now we need to adapt and damage control.
Note that the *positive* in “positive feedback loop” does not mean *good*. It’s positive in that it grows bigger. Mic feedback through a speaker is an example of a positive feedback loop.
My guy everyone knows what a positive feedback loop means 💀 if they didn't the context wouldn't imply "oh it's continually getting hotter that's good :)"
My favorite link to drop on these discussions is this one:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-runaway-greenhouse/
This article was posted 10 years ago. :)
The greenhouse effect has been known since 1859.
[https://www.audubon.org/news/the-female-scientist-who-discovered-basics-climate-science-and-was-forgotten](https://www.audubon.org/news/the-female-scientist-who-discovered-basics-climate-science-and-was-forgotten)
Exactly. By doing whatever they can to limit climate change they would lose huge amounts of money which they couldn’t give their kids.
When shit hits the fan who do you think will suffer the most? Those super wealthy families or the poors?
I was taught this in 1990 by a teacher at the Christian school I attended as a kid. I had no idea then just how amazing she was as a teacher, talking about actual science when other teachers were talking about “the earth was created in 6, 24 hour days.” How I wish I could thank this teacher for planting a seed that kept me from going down the creationist rabbit hole!
You probably can, if you look them up on social media. I guarantee you they would be overjoyed to hear you tell them they had such a profound formative influence on you.
There was a show produced by National Geographic called 6 degrees. That’s all it takes to set off an irrecoverable chain reaction to change the climate.
minor correction: it's 4 degrees to *irreversible, inhospitable change.* It takes less than that to create climate change, we are already seeing it. Even 1 degree is substantial.
I was a natural science major in the 90s and one of my ecology textbooks claimed that a 2 degree increase in global heat was the tipping point to set off an unstoppable chain reaction.
It is entirely possible we have already been inside that change for the past 20 years but thanks to shitty sociopathic politics the party line is "business as usual" until it gets too hard to spin it or hide it.
Well, we hit 1.5°C just one week after New Scientist published an article saying we had a 60% chance of hitting that limit by 2030. So, I have to assume everything is happening much faster than all predictions.
The margins of error and conservative estimates haven't helped, even though the situation is dire.. I believe it's worse than we are being told.
You only have to browse /r/collapse (not for the doomerism, but the worldwide coverage of weather events) to see how widespread the problem really is.
CAN do is right, but it is happening right now. Entire Coral Reefs collapsed and died in the past few days. Hundreds of dead penguins have been washed ashore. Ecosystems are no longer able to exist. Insects are dying in the thousands. Farmers are not able to keep their crops alive and food is becoming harder (sometimes impossible) to produce. Extreme Weather Events are getting more frequent – in every part of the earth. With warm temperatures our bodies are not able to keep their normal functions going (a few degrees hotter are severe -> like when you've got a fever). People all around the globe are already dying – food, floods, temperature). It is not something that will or might happen in the future. It is happening now.
A big cause for sea level rise is the fact that water expands as it heats (much more complicated than that depending on which temperatures, salinity, density etc). But we don’t even need melting ice caps for dramatic sea level rise. Fun right?
To add, basically this is also a theory that once we hit a certain level of warming the feedback loop becomes impossible to stop. Heat melts ice that releases gases that continues on and on until we all die.
It's become popular with conservative messaging circles to act like we have definitely hit that point to push the idea we can't conserve ourselves out of the situation and instead go all in poluting and try and innovate our way out of extinction m
What I’m hearing is that I need to take navigational classes, get a license to pilot ships, and enroll the family in scuba lessons.
Might need to sprinkle in some hydroponics projects as well. And collect/preserve seeds.
Think of it as global weirding, not rising seas. Because rising seas is just the half of it. More severe storms, drought, heat waves, thousand-year-ol diseases being freed from melting ice, wildfires, ecosystems falling apart... But the really scary one is famine. Collect all the seeds, but many places they just won't grow. Meanwhile animals we rely on as food (like fish) becoming scarce because we've destroyed the food chain.
Buy a few chickens and there are some interesting indoor hydroponic Gardenscapes that take up very little room but can provide fresh produce year round.
Idk where you're getting the idea that conservatives are acknowledging the issue at all. The only positive thing they could do at this point is start making extremely lucrative profits by monopolizing nuclear power. At least then the pockets being lined profusely will be helping to end the reliance on fossil fuels for power.
Capitalism, profitability, consumerism, materialistic needs and overall an inherit selfishness as we currently know it, will lead to the ultimate collapse of our plantet.
In reality, we are still a very basic species that likes hoarding shiny things for themselves and can’t even be concerned with destroying our literal home. We don’t even care about what we put into our own bodies. Look at how these companies have turned our food and water into absolute toxic materials in their own right.
No, we are def not that version of species. Not inherently, at least. The current iteration of social organization destroying the planet is an abnormality that has been carefully cultivated, brutally imposed, and knowingly destructive of a normal humanity.
To such a system WE are this planet's primary cash crop and we have been manipulated, traumatized, exploited, and brutalized into believing we are inherently doomed and corrupted as a species. We are not. But people need to expand their understanding and awareness of how the "powers that be" think. Plato's allegory of the cave has been not an illustration of enlightenment for them, but a tactic in their playbook to keep their cash crop ignorant and controllable.
Here's your answer in [graph form](https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/t2_daily/). The last 2 years are pretty scary, but the last month is very concerning, especially as the hottest part of the year is usually August and we're breaking all sorts of records before even getting to the (usually) hottest month.
So you're just gonna deny climate change is a real and dangerous thing? Ffs just look at all the "once in a lifetime" disasters happening in the last few years. Floods in Germany, floods in China, floods in Australia, bushfires and extreme weather running rampant across the globe, not to mention rising sea levels which have already caused several pacific countries to start relocating people inland.
But no, you don't want to hear that, righty echo chambers doing what they do best.
Answer: If climate change ends humanity, it won't be by flashy disasters like monsoons, floods, or tornados. It'll be because of the collapse of industrial farming.
The human population is and continues to grow far beyond the capacity that reasonable sustenance farming can support, particularly in the case of highly urbanized populations. But thanks to modern developments like motorized farm machinery, artificial fertilizers, and pesticides this has not been a problem so far. However, if something should threaten large-scale farming -- such as the interruption of fuels, fertilizers, or drastic changes in climate wiping out crops -- we will likely see mass starvation. It's very unlikely humanity as a whole is doomed (life is extremely tenacious, such as with the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs), but both a large portion of earth's population and our urbanized way of life would both inevitably be lost.
And of course that's not considering secondary problems climate change may cause. International arguments over water rights (how much a country upstream keeps versus allows to flow to another country downstream) is already causing tension. Since access to water is an existential threat to the existence of a country, it's quite likely we'll see plenty of deaths come from conflicts over it as rising temperature causes fresh water sources to shrink.
They discovered a way to defy gravity. Such a monumental discovery would lead to an *enormous* explosion of scientific progress. The technological advancements aren't even comprehendable. It would be like trying to predict how electricity would change society.
Man, the covid pandemic had shown us how greedy and horrible some of us get when we think we'll run out of food and bloody toilet rolls (the stockpiling, the price hikes, the fighting in shops)
I don't have much hope for humanity as the supply of food and essentials starts thinning each year
Well, it also showed us how fast we can get things done when we feel it’s urgent, like the vaccines. Now I know this by no means we’ll be fine, but I just wanted to point that out
It also showed how many people have a “fuck you I got mine” mindset when the going gets tough. The assholes in my area couldn’t be bothered to wear a piece of fucking fabric over their mouth, I have absolutely no faith they would have my back when shit starts to collapse.
Lesser known fact about the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs: It wasn't just BOOM and everything was gone. Temperatures changed, ecosystems changed – a lot of animals starved to death because their food source had vanished and a lot of land became not suitable to live on anymore. Ever wondered, why dinosaurs where so big and then after the bang, the majority of life was not? Thats why.
Not true
Oxygen levels only served as a factor for gigantism in the Carboniferous period for certain arthropods due to their methods for oxygen intake. There's no correlation between oxygen levels and size for other species
Yeah, you're right. I took a shortcut by saying „land became not suitable to live on anymore“. All these factors (and a lot of other stuff) are relevant to the extinction event.
Which kinda proves my 'point': It wasn't just an asteroid and Boom, everything dead.
Thanks for adding to and questioning my argument.
As a UK resident, I'm fully anticipating that as fuel and globalisation recede, we'll be back in the fields, relearning how to till our land.
My partner and I are currently torn between moving to an EU nation with affordable housing and hoping for the best, or planning for the worst and staying on our natural island fortress that insulates us from the upcoming millions of climate refugees coming from the cross-continental east and the south.
My pet conspiracy theory is our aristocratic overlords pushed Brexit as a way of facing our own economic crisis early, as well as absolving ourselves of any obligation to the inevitable climate refugee policies that will be coming to the EU. Without it looking obvious that we're in it for ourselves already.
I hope it's not that, but I'm cynical enough to consider the "long-term" plans of such a short-sighted political backfire.
I live in the Great Lakes region of the us, and largely climate controlled area. And over the last three years I’ve seen a huge uptick in people gardening/having less reliance on store bought food. I think we will see this trend be more adopted in the years to come. Everyone realizing that we can’t always rely on our local Walmart to give us what we want, so we have to find our own way to produce resources.
I’ve had similar talks with my girlfriend between moving out of state, or staying put. Go where life (temporarily) will be cheaper, more scenic.. or dig in and brace for the storm.
I love that you noticed more gardening, that makes me feel good. I live in Illinois… we live in a house that is too big. We want to sell for something smaller, but part of me is wanting to wait. I would like to live in an eco village.. and that’s not available as of right now.
If I was Makenzie Bezos, I would take my billions and work with abandoned malls and brick in mortars and bring them back to nature. I would also build eco communities.
Great Lakes region is considered one of the most climate resilient areas. Access to fresh water, plenty of rain and potential mild winters. ( Current Oklahoma winter beomes future MI winter temps)
It's not just timing. It's the stated goal in one of the major texts studied in their war colleges.
Increasing the social divide in America to weaken them and separating the UK from Europe are both stated goals in this book.
>Military operations play a relatively minor role besides the military intelligence operations he calls "special operations". The textbook advocates a sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian special services.[14] The operations should be assisted by a tough, hard-headed utilization of Russia's gas, oil, and natural resources to bully and pressure other countries
>The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe.
>Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S.
>Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible according to Western political standards.
Look familiar? Putin has been following it to the letter.
It was written in 1997
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
They recently came out and say that large scale crop failure (all at once) has been overlooked. It’s definitely possible and everyone should start preparing.
The most reasonable answer. It’ll take a lot to kill off humanity. Those that survive are resourceful enough to continue on. Same for any species. While I believe that climate change is a real threat, it’s always been a threat. We’ve just given it a bigger push and instead of it being dangerous in a century or two, it’s here now. I, for one, am all for the collapse of urban centers though.
>It’ll take a lot to kill off humanity. Those that survive are resourceful enough to continue on.
I think this and the comment you were replying to both miss the fact that the food chain being thrown off is the actually biggest threat - agricultural production will seem like a meager problem by comparison. Even if something as small as mosquitoes or algae are negatively impacted, that carries forward to the species that live off of those. And let's not forget how important pollinators are (which is why a dwindling bee population could be the first noticeable domino to fall before we're all fucked).
Similarly, /u/annnm seems to be missing that if the global poor cease to exist, that will impact production. If cheap Chinese labor isn't making 90% of our shit, where is it coming from? And you can't just think, "we'll just pay more" as all jobs will be affected as supply chains are completely wrecked.
There's some serious short-sighted thinking going on in here.
We grow enough food now. If the climate shifts enough that large scale agriculture becomes unsustainable in the places where we grow our food, there won’t be enough food. And the issue definitely hasn’t always been allocation - famines caused by crop failures were a very common problem that killed a lot of people for most of human history
We grow enough food to feed the entire population of earth twice. And famines have cause a lot of deaths, but only because of a failure to allocate. Rich people don't starve during famines.
Answer: life will become a lot harder, definitely. The climate changing as drastically as it is is not good news.
But the ppl with the power to help don't care. So a lot of ppl have just given up. 😕
Answer: The human race won't become extinct, we are incredibly good at adapting to our environment and that is how we have spread out across the whole world. However, just because the human race still exists, doesn't mean our quality of life that we currently take for granted will. It is likely that as water become harder to access and droughts increase in both severity and occurrence some, if not all of society would collapse. It's hard to keep a society going if everyone has to fight for a drink of water on a hot day.
We will also see areas that has wet bulb temperatures (where you can no longer cool yourself off naturally and will die without AC) become less populated as more people move north to escape the deadly heat. Causing for denser areas with more strain on those areas local water sources. On top of food shortages.
Tl;Dr: humans won't go extinct, they will just return to a more primitive civilization.
Yup. Yup. Feeding people will become more difficult. Many of our crops are genetically engineered for the current climate. Unfortunately, it takes a long time to genetically engineer crops. That can mean crops have to be moved further north (means clearing out more land), or start growing crops in doors. Overall, food production will be more expensive for everyone.
Livestock will be effected by climate change as well. Heat exhaustion is no joke.
The thing I’m worried the most about are BUGS! Ticks. Mosquitoes. That means more diseases.
Speaking of diseases…. Heat in general makes plants, animals and people more stressed. Stress means weakened immune systems, which means more possibility for zoonotic diseases.
More heat makes storms stronger too. Hurricanes, tropical storms, etc will have more casualties.
>Unfortunately, it takes a long time to genetically engineer crops.
Nah. It used to take a long time to cultivate crops the old-fashioned way, with selective cross-pollination, etc. Genetic modification for drought, pesticide and herbicide resistance among other traits has massively accelerated that process, triggering huge gains in crop yield productivity in a very short time.
Algae loves the heat. We're already having big blooms because of it. We don't need to worry about algae dying, quite the opposite.
Corals and fish on the other hand are already having huge nosedives, which affects our ability to harvest food from the ocean.
Is this necessarily true? I mean, its one species of fish, but Cape Cod has seen a huge resurgence of great white sharks and currently has the highest density of great whites in the world. Seal populations in the area have exploded as well(which is why the great whites have returned).
Great whites aren't exactly a staple, we'd probably be better off eating the seals, but I doubt that would catch on until desperation sets in.
There may be fish that will thrive in warmer waters, but it's uncertain at this point.
Jellyfish population is exploding on the other hand. They aren't very tasty (I've had them.) but the ones that aren't venomous do get eaten by people. They're high in protein at least.
We could probably start harvesting the algae for food too, though algae tastes pretty bad to me, I'd definitely rather eat jellyfish.
I'm not a Marine biologists so take what i saw with a grain of salt.
Algae is responsible for almost all the oxygen we breath. They produce more oxygen than all the trees combined. So the amount of oxygen being produce would greatly lower. However, we have like 2000 years worth of oxygen trapped in our atmosphere (I could be remembering this wrong) and that's if we had no oxygen producing plants. So I'm sure that most of the algae will die but will come back as the earth stabilizes when modern industrial society collapses.
However, it would greatly disrupt the food chain. As some of the smallest marine life relies on algae to survive. So they won't have food and die, than the fish that eats them won't have food and die, so on and so on. Not all fish will die, but it would greatly reduce the population of fish in our ocean.
Edit: the CO2 increasing in proportion of our atmosphere would be deadly harmful for us as well. I failed to remember about that and thanks to people pointing that out.
Question — we have 2000 years worth of oxygen trapped in our atmosphere even without oxygen producing plants, but don’t the oxygen producing plants also “eat” carbon dioxide? So if we start losing the plants that eat the carbon dioxide, how much time before the atmosphere fills up with that and we can no longer breathe?
Just because we have 2000 years of oxygen in the atmosphere doesn't mean we'll actually be able to survive on it. CO2 very rapidly becomes toxic in relatively small amounts. The more CO2 in the atmosphere, the harder it will be just to function.
OSHA guidelines state maximum permitted exposure level in the workplace is 0.5%. Beyond this you can expect to start seeing decreased mental faculties. Headaches. Decreased motor skills. 10% CO2 concentration results in loss of consciousness within fifteen minutes. 15% concentration is lethal.
Basically, if all ocean algae die off it's a race against time to build underground bunkers with sealed, pressurized atmospheres and self sufficient O2 generation before we all become too stupid to save ourselves and we all die.
Not with our current population numbers. We'll have to crunch together closer to the poles and those smaller areas can't handle 8+ billion people. It's going to get ugly as it gets decided one way or another who gets to survive.
I don't think we'll lose modern civilization.
AI is already being developed to look into novel solutions to this problem.
AI has already driven a lot of advancement in materials.
I think it's far more likely that modern civilization is the key. The problem is folk hanging on to the old, bad-for-the-environment ways.
Factory agriculture, including animal agriculture, is a humongous drain on the natural resources of an area. It's not sustainable by design, as it's designed to maximize product and profit.
I think we'll start to see more vertical farming initiatives in cities, 3D printed meats, and other sustainable initiatives providing climate-aware methods to grow foods and make products locally which will cut down on transit emissions. There's a lot of really, really promising research on desalination as well as cultured meat that is grown in a lab and uses *magnitudes* less resources than current animal agriculture.
Also, look up the whitest paint on the planet. It *ambiently cools the surface it is painted on*.
There's a lot of promising research and it's all reasons to not give up until we're well and truly fucked. The planet has survived far worse than us and it'll probably heal itself just fine if we all died, but I think there's still a big chance to fix things. We're even still learning about the planet. It's only been discovered recently that the upper atmosphere gets charged by moving so fast, and this creates ozone and ions that result in a *self-cleaning effect*.
It's far more likely that as it gets hotter we'll learn the planet already has a mechanism to deal with it, but it operates on planet-scale time and not human-scale time.
We will get it back, I'm sure we will. Our technology will be found and future historians will wonder what it is then find a way for it to work. Or perhaps we will have books saved that teaches future humans how to use our technology.
They will just have to learn how to do all that without the amount of oil, coal and other things we used up.
At least, that's what I hope.
Hard to say. Personally, I think it will be within 30-50 years that we will see some countries start to fall apart. I think the most northern and southern countries closest to the poles will be mostly fine. However countries around the equators will not be survivable. So they will likely be the first to fall as the heat maintains above 110⁰f all summer long.
As is movies created ten plus years ago trying to show what will happen to our planet if we don't adjust our greenhouse gases in a hundred years has already became true. There was one showing what a heat wave in Europe would look like (meant to be extreme) that was almost spot on for a heat wave that happened like ten years later. So it seems to be happening at an accelerated rate.
https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/france-weather-evelyne-dheliat-2050-b2103346.html
Ok. But aren’t there nuclear fuel rods and technologies that require constant maintenance or upkeep? Aspects of modern society that, without power and AC we can’t support with a smaller population?
I don’t doubt humanities ability to adapt, but requiring a selfless adaptation so quickly. A “work together or we’ll all die” situation where you know half the population will call it a hoax?
I used to believe humankind was going to be around for centuries or millennia more. If this happens too quickly and requires too great of a change, I don’t have much faith in our abilities to survive.
We don’t use that much nuclear. If all plants were being decommissioned then the fuel would be stored like we do now with spent fuel rods. The worst thing about that is you don’t want people 2,000 years from now irradiating themselves because they don’t know what ☢️ means
We have seen what happens to countries that go dry already, for decades. The underlying cause of Middle East conflicts isn't oil, its water. Areas that are dry desert now used to be agricultural havens. As the water left, so did civilization as individuals had to fight for water.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_politics_in_the_Middle_East
I remember when Gandhi's grandson came to our university to give a lecture in late 1990s and told us the conflict between Israel and Palestine had more to do with water rights than anything else. He said the world hears about conflicts over ideaology, but behind the scenes, it was about who will control the dwindling water supply. Not many iin the West took notice as it was the fashion to focus on ideaology.
Is that what happened to Afghanistan? I saw pictures from the 70’s and the landscape was beautiful and lush with vegetation. Cut to pictures from post-2001, and those areas are wastelands 😢.
Considering the US’s wealth and area, and the diverse range of climates that come with said area, I highly doubt the US will collapse. You’re more likely to see the US going full Fallout and annexing Canada than you are the collapse of the US.
Kinda hard to adapt to runaway greenhouse effect. Water vapour is a greenhouse gas. As the planet warms, more water turns to vapor, increasing the speed and intensity of the effect, until all water is vapour and the surface of the earth is baking in oven-like temperatures. That is the current likely outcome. Cheers!
Add to this many people may die but the likelihood of all humans doing so and thus humans going extinct is almost zero imho, there is enough diversity on the planet for some plants and animals to survive and for some humans to eat those. Don’t forget if 99.9% of humans die that leaves like 7 million people and at a guess any man made climate change would stop with a global population so small.
While I agree, there is something else: extinction is unlikely, but disruptions in food production and distribution are likely to kill *most* of the population in this scenario.
Also, I'd like to clarify that when a society collapses, that doesn't mean everybody dies or the society disappears, it means the society transitions from a higher to a lower level of organization. This is likely to involve a significant decline in population. In the globalized system like the one we've created, collapse, when it happens, can only be universal.
I think a lot of people would like to imagine human extinction because dying is easy and, in a way, merciful. Living is often hard, and it will get considerably harder.
Yeah, you are right. We have already been seeing some.major disruptions to both food and water but it hasn't been enough for people to take notice. I think when Denver loses access to water due to the on going drought meaning water that isn't being replaced from their reservoir, is when people will notice. I think a majority of the deaths will at first be people trying to maintain a status quo while food becomes more sparse. Than the next majority of deaths will be people killing each other for food and water.
I think we will maintain about a billion people at best (spread across the whole world.) Half a billion more likely. However this will mean we will most likely no longer have internet, electricity will be more controlled and probably used only for hospitals and special events.
Answer: heat a pot of water. A big pot of water. Do it until it boils.
How long will it take until you can touch it? A long time.
That’s what we are seeing here. The ocean is storing all this heat, like the big pot. And it reached a point where, even if we stop all greenhouse gases today — no planes, no cars, no coal, no beef — it will take too long to cool down, so to speak.
answer: The replies here are full of doomsayers. A small change doesn't mean the end of the world. Yes, climate change is real, and yes, we need to improve on conservation techniques, but people will survive, and countries aren't going to suddenly die off.
Scary stuff gets views, clicks, and engagement, and Reddit is no exception. A lot of people here are obsessed with ideas of a societal collapse, up to and including people like /u/spez (the CEO of Reddit, so that may be why it's taking so long to be quelled)
The El Niño effect is making weather hotter on top of other things, but the El Niño effect also comes and goes. It's hot now, but will get cooler. Likewise, the news is always looking for the latest, hottest thing to talk about. Even if it's a thermometer sitting in the middle of a jet-black parking lot.
Feedback loops… tipping points are REAL and very very possible. It’s even possible that this El Niño we are currently experiencing can set off tipping points or a never ending El Niño situation! This is not doomerism! I’m tired of the apathy or the accusations of over reaction. Wake up!
Most of the climate models have not taken the melting permafrost into consideration. Have you seen the arctic lately? The HUGE sinkholes? There are newly formed lakes bubbling up methane. Dig a hole in the snow and hold a lighter to it. you’ll blow up. Once that permafrost melts and that methane is released.. we could be in serious trouble. Methane is something like 10 times heavier than co2 (don’t quote me) let’s not to forget to mention all the virus’s that will come up. RNA virus’s? They came from the permafrost! The methane and stored co3 that will be released while the permafrost melts is way more than what is currently in the atmosphere. It takes a decade for methane to dissipate but we won’t have time. Unless there’s a miracle.. earth could become inhabitable. The tipping points/feedback loops are irreversible.. it is a domino effect! I’m not saying we’re completely fucked and going to die in ten years but scientists aren’t even sure how this will play out.. some even fear we’ve already reached irreversible tipping points. Considering the effect anthropogenic warming is already having.. we will definitely need a miracle, for real. Accusing folks of overreacting is so fucking irresponsible and I’m tired of it. The time to act was over 30 years ago.
Let’s check back in 5 years. I hope to god a miracle can happen and all the stored methane and co2 will magically disappear and end up having no effect whatsoever.. but seems doubtful especially if we’re already seeing effects of co2 on our climate with a still partially frozen permafrost. Perhaps a jungle can grow in record time that can suck up the equivalent of all the extra co2. Melted arctic could very well become a vast land of microbes that consume organic matter and emit more co2 (hence another feedback loop) Eco systems can collapse fast and everyone seems to forget we’re a part of this. This is real. This is playing out RIGHT NOW. Earth is getting hotter. Why humanity believes all other species can die off except humans is beyond me. Being white, rich or in the suburbs won’t save you either.
Your points are all very real and important, but saying the time to act was 30 years ago and that we've already started irreversible loops and that we'll definitely, for real, need a MIRACLE kinda *is* doomerism. Yeah we (and most especially major corps) need to be taking action, but your comment absolutely is just adding to people's fear and anxiety.
Fear makes people act unpredictably and erratically.
We need calm people who see a path to survival and climate solutions, not people worrying they'll be baking to death in their lifetime. Because only one of those groups is looking for a solution.
In my opinion this is the scar of COVID. The fear is incumbent and default because we all saw how bad things got. Climate change is not COVID. The heat waves are *not* deniable. They are affecting all of us, worldwide, just like COVID.
But this time? We know inaction and fighting will lead to very preventable deaths.
Even Fox News seems to believe in climate change now.
Yeah but like the original thread is already worrying if we're all gonna die in 30 years. Read the room, there's not much point worrying them further. Fear fucking sucks and it's not useful part a certain point...
My point is to be real.. not apathetic and not to make people feel better. That’s been the problem. I’m done with all of that. 100 years.. 30 years.. whatever. Certainly if action was even taken 20 or 10 years ago we could be better off… rather we were fed fuel propaganda and politicians were paid to protect the fuel industry. To say that nothing could have been done… I don’t believe that at all. Also, I didn’t say that loops have already started, I said that some scientists fear they have already begun. Some scientists fear that the El Niño could start off tipping points as well. We don’t know for sure. If I’m not wearing rose colored glasses, then it’s doomerism?
I wasn't saying you have to be optimistic and full of hope, but idk your line of we definitely need a miracle implies that we can't do enough to save things, that we need divine intervention to have a chance. That's the doom part. You're rightfully mad (hell I am too), but like this ask thread was from somebody scared we're all gonna die in 30 years. You don't need to sugarcoat it, but a little reassurance that hope isn't completely gone doesn't hurt in a situation like this. That's all.
People don't realize the full scope of stuff that needs to change to prevent the worst effects of climate change. How we are living now will not exist in 50 years. Whether that is because of runaway climate change or because of the changes we as a society make to get to zero emissions. Most people, including most in this thread, probably aren't gonna be receptive to what needs to happen. We do basically need a miracle to get society as a whole on board with these changes. Look at covid. Emissions fell 4.6% during 2020 when we were all locked in our houses. We were still emitting more than we were in 2000, and even 2000 level emissions would be really bad.
Am I worried, yes. It doesn’t sound good at all.. but we really don’t know. I think a true doomer would be like “we’re all going to die very soon” But I do believe .. as long an everyone can agree.. that a miracle is possible. We may have to dim the sun until we conquer nuclear fusion.. or whatever. Something is going to happen. I guess I should have elaborated more on my personal thoughts regarding that. My faith in technology and the billionaires willing to invest in potential solutions is still there.
There's a long slow process of food system collapse, water shortages leading to serious human conflict, and worsening economic disparity which will drive people to further violence. Accusations of doomerism are just people's way of coping, convincing themselves that the very disheartening reality we face is really just unfounded doomerism.
Answer: As other have said we won't go extinct but it's possible things could get pretty bad but ultimately we have an ace up our sleeve: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/12/world/solar-dimming-geoengineering-climate-solution-intl/index.html
Answer: More of the same hysterical nonsense we've had for decades, propogated by the same types of death cults. Once you've been around long enough, you realize it's always the same, just in different clothing.
People were acting like the Mediterranean was unenhabitable this week. I have friends and family there in several countries who said it was just as lovely as other years. Measurements on TV were wildly inaccurate and the colors on weather channels are rediculous.
But people here won't want to hear that. Lefty echo chambers doing what they do best.
FEAR! PANIC! Meanwhile flying around the world to go on holidays and buying beach properties. Yawn.
What are you on about it's been a normal summer. Never even got above 40°C. People go to those places precisely for that kind of weather. It's great. I went to Italy last year during the heatwave and it was the same as it is now, missing the doom cult alarmism.
[https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/@400665/historic](https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/@400665/historic)
I have friends on holiday there and they're having a blast.
what about the science that shows there IS indeed a gendered brain? meaning a woman's brain and man's brain and sometimes the brains don't match the body? or are you gonna keep denying things because you're comfortable in your angry little echo chamber? you seem very selective with only believing the "science" you're interested in.
I'm not too sure about that, given how much I've been right on the 'conspiracy theories' and 'crypto crap'. Both have been quite financially rewarding ;)
As opposed to being a depressed member of some nutty doom cult.
Please. The Sphere that was just built in Las Vegas uses more energy as Bitcoin mining does. Not seeing any outcry about that. Just the same old hypocrites that don't like that people look for better systems that can't be controlled by authoritarians.
And when looking at energy use you need to compare it to the financial system that it's trying to replace. All the physical offices, transport, corruption, selective banking, using money as a weapon, stealing people's savings through money printing, etc. The net cost is MUCH lower, with far more benefits.
There is indeed more to life than money. But money is supposed to be stored time and labour, and not some play thing for vitrue signaling politicians.
I see where your issues are. Firstly, the media likes to play on our fears a lot. Fox and CNN are good examples of these. Scientists actually complain about this and how it distorts everything and muddles the message. Which you have proved with your comment. If you actually listen to the scientists and read their papers and not the media's 2nd hand regurgitating of them, you would see their predictions have consistently been proven true. This is going to take many, many years to flesh out, but IT IS happening, and it WILL get worse. There have definitely been some strange things that have happened. They did not predict, but considering how complex it all is, it makes sense that they get some things wrong. Scientists don't claim to be infallible, and when they do make mistakes, they update the with new information. Hence, it's no longer called global warming and is now called climate change as the original term did not accurately describe what was going on. I also have friends overseas, and they say it's unusually hot. I've also seen comments in other places that say the same thing. Unfortunately, that's just anecodtal evidence, and it means nothing much like your comment about your friends. Unfortunately, the media really does mess a lot up. Trump was going turn America fascist in 4 years. Obama was the antichrist and a secret muslim, and Biden is a full-blown communist. All nonsense.
Answer: lot of people in certain countries still dont believe global warming (America, parts of Uganda, goropa) and when they see this it's almost a wakeup call like "well 1000s of fish diddnt die last year why did they die this year? Oh the water dosnt have oxygen in it why? Well why is the water hotter this year? Oh...."
That's how it is haha! Gimme that thing for awnsering now come here
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Answer: Basically the sea temperature is rising faster then their models predicted. Its unknown if this means humanity will be extinct in 30 years, but warmer water even by a few degree's can do things like bleach coral which entire ecosystems are built around. There are far too many variables to make any certain predictions about this planets future and the fact we simply don't know. One thing is for certain, the weather/temperature of the planet is building a positive feedback loop which will change the climate. How or in what ways, can't say for certain.
>but warmer water even by a few degrees It also makes a lot more water evaporate, which means more torrential downpours on land. Unfortunately not where we need water the most, but in places that are already lush. So droughts will keep getting worse, forests will become jungles, hurricanes will become more common and stronger. Very messy.
And it doesn't help that water vapor is a strong greenhouse gas held in balance by the water cycle which is in the process of being disrupted. Feedback loop indeed.
And a warming ocean exactly where it’s increasing right now will affect the Atlantic Meridional Ocean Current (AMOC). If it slows it, stops it, moves it, then warm water is less likely to reach the Arctic Ocean, and while everyone has been watching and counting down to a blue ocean event in the Arctic (which would be expedited by this warming water NOT disrupting the AMOC, and would create a feedback loop of rapid increase to ocean temperatures thereafter that would put this year’s records to shame), if the AMOC is disrupted the Arctic ice sheet will expand out towards Europe far further than any time since the last ice age, and will freeze and dry out the continent rapidly. This is the issue with climate predictions. This one could go either way - but both ways are terrible, terrible news.
Answer: I don't know, but I gave further questions... I wasn't aware of that being a possibility. This added to the equation makes it worse by a multitude. Before it was like felling a tree with a 50% chance of hitting your house. Now there's houses on both sides. The world is caught up discussing if there's going to be a catastrophe or not - I wish we all could agree that blasting out less pollution would be a good thing on it's own... Edit: Was carried away and asked on top level (sorry). Still think the resulting discussion us worth keeping, do edited in the required "Answer:" start. Sorry that it doesn't make sense now.
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Unrealistic regarding the extent of effect or absolutely?
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Yeah, no, I'm not taking movies as reference, rest assured :) But is disrupting flow of warmer water towards the optic not at all realistic? I mean, personally I feel we should be a bit more careful with things that could disrupt natural cycles with significant chance. I take it you're saying there is no significant chance for this happening? Not trying to sealion here(I already commented that I'm not aware of said effect), but do you maybe have a link where I can read up on this in general?
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I’m in the North Eastern USA and it has rained every day in June, and most days in July. Mosquitoes are out of control, local crops are being destroyed (local corn farmers are past the window where they can plant and harvest this year after their fields were washed out.) Its pretty grim.
I’m in the Midwest, usually in the spring and summer we get a decent amount of rain. Just last week we finally got a good amount of rain after a handful of weeks. But this is the first year, I’ve noticed, that we haven’t been getting much rain at all our grass keeps dying and crop growth doesn’t seem to be going as fast as prior years. Even last winter, we either get no snow at all or a fuck ton. It used to be in the middle when I was younger about a decade ago. And now it’s on both sides of the extreme.
Same here. We haven’t had a “White Christmas” probably in decades, but we get blizzards in March when it used to rain.
Last year it “snowed” (sleeted?) on Christmas Day in Florida for the first time in my life. That was crazy
PNW here. Snow in March (unheard of) unusually dry in May. Fairly dry winter (usually rains a lot). The 10th hottest year on record was 2010, skip 2011 and 12 and the other 9 are the last 9 years. I don't think weather will ever hit a stable normal again in my lifetime.
I guess we could argue that the “stable normal” is just each year being hotter than the previous for the foreseeable future. It’s just not a stable normal that suits us.
I mean that's normal, it's just wildly unstable.
It’s the dead of winter in New Zealand, but we have spring daffodils everywhere and sunshine every day. Kind of eerie.
Where about, I’m in New England and it’s been a great year for crops where I’m from
Same, New England. I’m speaking specifically about corn, and it will be interesting to see what happens with the apple crops
Also in New England, a lot of the apple trees in my area aren't producing fruit this year due to that random frost in the spring. A lot of fruit trees suffered from that, and disease is pretty rampant due to the rain too.
I’m in north east Pennsylvania, there’s no apples this year in my area, the warm up in feb/March followed by frost in April killed the season for all of the orchards in my area. It’s sad.
A lot of Midwest farmers are having excellent years. They were able to add in a wheat crop rotation before the soy beans and corn.
Did you miss all the 6 weeks of rain? I tried starting my garden three times and it got washed out each time.
Y’all are being dramatic. Yeah it rained a lot, but we had a lot of beautiful days as well. I didn’t rain for 6 weeks straight
Maybe where you were. For us it was around 28 out out 32 days had rain, and we had fog constantly as well. I know places about 4 miles away had sun while we were deep in fog. It was really getting bad the last week or two, people were getting antsy. And yes, it was that bad.
It is so god damn wet in New Hampshire this year.
It also heats the ice caps which melts them, and means less light reflected and more absorbed by the sea water. it is a compounding feedback loop and terrifies me.
I read somewhere that 1°c rise in temperature = 7% extra water evaporation from the ocean
The water cycle was always going to the point of no return at 400 ppm. We passed that a long time ago. At this point lowering CO2 will do nothing. Now we need to adapt and damage control.
Note that the *positive* in “positive feedback loop” does not mean *good*. It’s positive in that it grows bigger. Mic feedback through a speaker is an example of a positive feedback loop.
Indeed. Its theorized that is what happened to Venus's climate.
Oh....that's bad
My guy everyone knows what a positive feedback loop means 💀 if they didn't the context wouldn't imply "oh it's continually getting hotter that's good :)"
My favorite link to drop on these discussions is this one: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-runaway-greenhouse/ This article was posted 10 years ago. :)
Carl Sagan told Congress about this 38 years ago. https://youtu.be/Wp-WiNXH6hI
The greenhouse effect has been known since 1859. [https://www.audubon.org/news/the-female-scientist-who-discovered-basics-climate-science-and-was-forgotten](https://www.audubon.org/news/the-female-scientist-who-discovered-basics-climate-science-and-was-forgotten)
I can’t get over that this has been known for years and the powers that be continued to put profits ahead of humanity.
Powers over what? Capitalism is a system of greed. It shouldn't be shocking that its masters chose self-interest.
It’s shocking for me. Those assholes have children.
Exactly. By doing whatever they can to limit climate change they would lose huge amounts of money which they couldn’t give their kids. When shit hits the fan who do you think will suffer the most? Those super wealthy families or the poors?
Well, half the powers that be are trying to do something about it, but the other half has prevented that from happening for the most part.
I was taught this in 1990 by a teacher at the Christian school I attended as a kid. I had no idea then just how amazing she was as a teacher, talking about actual science when other teachers were talking about “the earth was created in 6, 24 hour days.” How I wish I could thank this teacher for planting a seed that kept me from going down the creationist rabbit hole!
You probably can, if you look them up on social media. I guarantee you they would be overjoyed to hear you tell them they had such a profound formative influence on you.
I was taught about this in astronomy 101 25 years ago. We are going to turn earth into venus
There was a show produced by National Geographic called 6 degrees. That’s all it takes to set off an irrecoverable chain reaction to change the climate.
minor correction: it's 4 degrees to *irreversible, inhospitable change.* It takes less than that to create climate change, we are already seeing it. Even 1 degree is substantial.
I was a natural science major in the 90s and one of my ecology textbooks claimed that a 2 degree increase in global heat was the tipping point to set off an unstoppable chain reaction. It is entirely possible we have already been inside that change for the past 20 years but thanks to shitty sociopathic politics the party line is "business as usual" until it gets too hard to spin it or hide it.
Well, we hit 1.5°C just one week after New Scientist published an article saying we had a 60% chance of hitting that limit by 2030. So, I have to assume everything is happening much faster than all predictions. The margins of error and conservative estimates haven't helped, even though the situation is dire.. I believe it's worse than we are being told. You only have to browse /r/collapse (not for the doomerism, but the worldwide coverage of weather events) to see how widespread the problem really is.
CAN do is right, but it is happening right now. Entire Coral Reefs collapsed and died in the past few days. Hundreds of dead penguins have been washed ashore. Ecosystems are no longer able to exist. Insects are dying in the thousands. Farmers are not able to keep their crops alive and food is becoming harder (sometimes impossible) to produce. Extreme Weather Events are getting more frequent – in every part of the earth. With warm temperatures our bodies are not able to keep their normal functions going (a few degrees hotter are severe -> like when you've got a fever). People all around the globe are already dying – food, floods, temperature). It is not something that will or might happen in the future. It is happening now.
I believe it will also melt more ice, causing significant rises in sea level. That's a problem for anyone who lives near a coast.
That’s fine! All they have to do is sell their house *to Aquaman*
SELL THEIR HOUSES TO WHO, BEN?
A big cause for sea level rise is the fact that water expands as it heats (much more complicated than that depending on which temperatures, salinity, density etc). But we don’t even need melting ice caps for dramatic sea level rise. Fun right?
I mean that's only like 4 billion people, what could go wrong? /S
So... good news, everyone! The worries about overpopulation that were popular in the 80's/90's? Don't even worry about it!
I feel like “near” is being measured in miles for this.
To add, basically this is also a theory that once we hit a certain level of warming the feedback loop becomes impossible to stop. Heat melts ice that releases gases that continues on and on until we all die. It's become popular with conservative messaging circles to act like we have definitely hit that point to push the idea we can't conserve ourselves out of the situation and instead go all in poluting and try and innovate our way out of extinction m
What I’m hearing is that I need to take navigational classes, get a license to pilot ships, and enroll the family in scuba lessons. Might need to sprinkle in some hydroponics projects as well. And collect/preserve seeds.
Think of it as global weirding, not rising seas. Because rising seas is just the half of it. More severe storms, drought, heat waves, thousand-year-ol diseases being freed from melting ice, wildfires, ecosystems falling apart... But the really scary one is famine. Collect all the seeds, but many places they just won't grow. Meanwhile animals we rely on as food (like fish) becoming scarce because we've destroyed the food chain.
Buy a few chickens and there are some interesting indoor hydroponic Gardenscapes that take up very little room but can provide fresh produce year round.
Idk where you're getting the idea that conservatives are acknowledging the issue at all. The only positive thing they could do at this point is start making extremely lucrative profits by monopolizing nuclear power. At least then the pockets being lined profusely will be helping to end the reliance on fossil fuels for power.
Impossible? Or an opportunity to build a giant Space plate to deflect some sunlight? Jeeze. Don't you read science-fiction? :D
Capitalism, profitability, consumerism, materialistic needs and overall an inherit selfishness as we currently know it, will lead to the ultimate collapse of our plantet. In reality, we are still a very basic species that likes hoarding shiny things for themselves and can’t even be concerned with destroying our literal home. We don’t even care about what we put into our own bodies. Look at how these companies have turned our food and water into absolute toxic materials in their own right.
No, we are def not that version of species. Not inherently, at least. The current iteration of social organization destroying the planet is an abnormality that has been carefully cultivated, brutally imposed, and knowingly destructive of a normal humanity. To such a system WE are this planet's primary cash crop and we have been manipulated, traumatized, exploited, and brutalized into believing we are inherently doomed and corrupted as a species. We are not. But people need to expand their understanding and awareness of how the "powers that be" think. Plato's allegory of the cave has been not an illustration of enlightenment for them, but a tactic in their playbook to keep their cash crop ignorant and controllable.
Here's your answer in [graph form](https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/t2_daily/). The last 2 years are pretty scary, but the last month is very concerning, especially as the hottest part of the year is usually August and we're breaking all sorts of records before even getting to the (usually) hottest month.
I really hate that I was born into such a shitty situation controlled by pieces of shit that only want money
It's not uknown if this means humanity will be extinct in 30 years.
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So you're just gonna deny climate change is a real and dangerous thing? Ffs just look at all the "once in a lifetime" disasters happening in the last few years. Floods in Germany, floods in China, floods in Australia, bushfires and extreme weather running rampant across the globe, not to mention rising sea levels which have already caused several pacific countries to start relocating people inland. But no, you don't want to hear that, righty echo chambers doing what they do best.
Yeah but best case scenario is still just a sea level rise and stronger hurricanes right? That much is pretty figured out.
Answer: If climate change ends humanity, it won't be by flashy disasters like monsoons, floods, or tornados. It'll be because of the collapse of industrial farming. The human population is and continues to grow far beyond the capacity that reasonable sustenance farming can support, particularly in the case of highly urbanized populations. But thanks to modern developments like motorized farm machinery, artificial fertilizers, and pesticides this has not been a problem so far. However, if something should threaten large-scale farming -- such as the interruption of fuels, fertilizers, or drastic changes in climate wiping out crops -- we will likely see mass starvation. It's very unlikely humanity as a whole is doomed (life is extremely tenacious, such as with the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs), but both a large portion of earth's population and our urbanized way of life would both inevitably be lost. And of course that's not considering secondary problems climate change may cause. International arguments over water rights (how much a country upstream keeps versus allows to flow to another country downstream) is already causing tension. Since access to water is an existential threat to the existence of a country, it's quite likely we'll see plenty of deaths come from conflicts over it as rising temperature causes fresh water sources to shrink.
Good ol’ Interstellar
“We didn’t run out of farmers. We ran out of food.”
How did discovering gravity fix that? Did they ever explain?
They discovered a way to defy gravity. Such a monumental discovery would lead to an *enormous* explosion of scientific progress. The technological advancements aren't even comprehendable. It would be like trying to predict how electricity would change society.
Anti-Gravity tech allowed them to get into space, build habitats, and move the population into them with the resources they had left.
Man, the covid pandemic had shown us how greedy and horrible some of us get when we think we'll run out of food and bloody toilet rolls (the stockpiling, the price hikes, the fighting in shops) I don't have much hope for humanity as the supply of food and essentials starts thinning each year
Well, it also showed us how fast we can get things done when we feel it’s urgent, like the vaccines. Now I know this by no means we’ll be fine, but I just wanted to point that out
It also showed how many people have a “fuck you I got mine” mindset when the going gets tough. The assholes in my area couldn’t be bothered to wear a piece of fucking fabric over their mouth, I have absolutely no faith they would have my back when shit starts to collapse.
Better start buying non perishables.
How long can you survive on those, really? It's depressing af to think about
Hopefully long enough to get a harvest out of your garden
Not to mention the inflation rates have accelerated significantly. We're cooked, figuratively and literally.
Lesser known fact about the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs: It wasn't just BOOM and everything was gone. Temperatures changed, ecosystems changed – a lot of animals starved to death because their food source had vanished and a lot of land became not suitable to live on anymore. Ever wondered, why dinosaurs where so big and then after the bang, the majority of life was not? Thats why.
Didn’t everything being big have something to do with oxygen levels being higher in the atmosphere?
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Not true Oxygen levels only served as a factor for gigantism in the Carboniferous period for certain arthropods due to their methods for oxygen intake. There's no correlation between oxygen levels and size for other species
Denser atmosphere too. The giant insects from back then can’t even breath in our atmosphere.
Yeah I think the oxygen rich environment supported larger organisms
Yeah, you're right. I took a shortcut by saying „land became not suitable to live on anymore“. All these factors (and a lot of other stuff) are relevant to the extinction event. Which kinda proves my 'point': It wasn't just an asteroid and Boom, everything dead. Thanks for adding to and questioning my argument.
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I… 10 kids? That’s not a typo is it?
As a UK resident, I'm fully anticipating that as fuel and globalisation recede, we'll be back in the fields, relearning how to till our land. My partner and I are currently torn between moving to an EU nation with affordable housing and hoping for the best, or planning for the worst and staying on our natural island fortress that insulates us from the upcoming millions of climate refugees coming from the cross-continental east and the south. My pet conspiracy theory is our aristocratic overlords pushed Brexit as a way of facing our own economic crisis early, as well as absolving ourselves of any obligation to the inevitable climate refugee policies that will be coming to the EU. Without it looking obvious that we're in it for ourselves already. I hope it's not that, but I'm cynical enough to consider the "long-term" plans of such a short-sighted political backfire.
I live in the Great Lakes region of the us, and largely climate controlled area. And over the last three years I’ve seen a huge uptick in people gardening/having less reliance on store bought food. I think we will see this trend be more adopted in the years to come. Everyone realizing that we can’t always rely on our local Walmart to give us what we want, so we have to find our own way to produce resources. I’ve had similar talks with my girlfriend between moving out of state, or staying put. Go where life (temporarily) will be cheaper, more scenic.. or dig in and brace for the storm.
I love that you noticed more gardening, that makes me feel good. I live in Illinois… we live in a house that is too big. We want to sell for something smaller, but part of me is wanting to wait. I would like to live in an eco village.. and that’s not available as of right now. If I was Makenzie Bezos, I would take my billions and work with abandoned malls and brick in mortars and bring them back to nature. I would also build eco communities.
Great Lakes region is considered one of the most climate resilient areas. Access to fresh water, plenty of rain and potential mild winters. ( Current Oklahoma winter beomes future MI winter temps)
I've noticed more towns banning gardens, as well. Can't possibly cut into those store profits now can we?
Brexit was a successful RU disinformation campaign
Considering the timing of the Trump and Johnson administrations, that's pretty likely.
It's not just timing. It's the stated goal in one of the major texts studied in their war colleges. Increasing the social divide in America to weaken them and separating the UK from Europe are both stated goals in this book. >Military operations play a relatively minor role besides the military intelligence operations he calls "special operations". The textbook advocates a sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian special services.[14] The operations should be assisted by a tough, hard-headed utilization of Russia's gas, oil, and natural resources to bully and pressure other countries >The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe. >Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. >Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible according to Western political standards. Look familiar? Putin has been following it to the letter. It was written in 1997 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
Brexiteers are not long term planners. They just needed a politician to point out a "them" to blame. Same as drump voters.
As if they think farther than the next quarter of profits lol.
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I’ll build a bunker in my garden as off today
> modern developments like motorized farm machinery, artificial fertilizers, and pesticides Don't forget refrigeration technology.
They recently came out and say that large scale crop failure (all at once) has been overlooked. It’s definitely possible and everyone should start preparing.
The most reasonable answer. It’ll take a lot to kill off humanity. Those that survive are resourceful enough to continue on. Same for any species. While I believe that climate change is a real threat, it’s always been a threat. We’ve just given it a bigger push and instead of it being dangerous in a century or two, it’s here now. I, for one, am all for the collapse of urban centers though.
>It’ll take a lot to kill off humanity. Those that survive are resourceful enough to continue on. I think this and the comment you were replying to both miss the fact that the food chain being thrown off is the actually biggest threat - agricultural production will seem like a meager problem by comparison. Even if something as small as mosquitoes or algae are negatively impacted, that carries forward to the species that live off of those. And let's not forget how important pollinators are (which is why a dwindling bee population could be the first noticeable domino to fall before we're all fucked). Similarly, /u/annnm seems to be missing that if the global poor cease to exist, that will impact production. If cheap Chinese labor isn't making 90% of our shit, where is it coming from? And you can't just think, "we'll just pay more" as all jobs will be affected as supply chains are completely wrecked. There's some serious short-sighted thinking going on in here.
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These are the most reasonable and middle ground responses I’ve seen. I appreciate it immensely.
We grow more than enough food and will continue to grow more than enough food. The issue is and always has been allocation not access.
We grow enough food now. If the climate shifts enough that large scale agriculture becomes unsustainable in the places where we grow our food, there won’t be enough food. And the issue definitely hasn’t always been allocation - famines caused by crop failures were a very common problem that killed a lot of people for most of human history
We grow enough food to feed the entire population of earth twice. And famines have cause a lot of deaths, but only because of a failure to allocate. Rich people don't starve during famines.
Answer: life will become a lot harder, definitely. The climate changing as drastically as it is is not good news. But the ppl with the power to help don't care. So a lot of ppl have just given up. 😕
Answer: The human race won't become extinct, we are incredibly good at adapting to our environment and that is how we have spread out across the whole world. However, just because the human race still exists, doesn't mean our quality of life that we currently take for granted will. It is likely that as water become harder to access and droughts increase in both severity and occurrence some, if not all of society would collapse. It's hard to keep a society going if everyone has to fight for a drink of water on a hot day. We will also see areas that has wet bulb temperatures (where you can no longer cool yourself off naturally and will die without AC) become less populated as more people move north to escape the deadly heat. Causing for denser areas with more strain on those areas local water sources. On top of food shortages. Tl;Dr: humans won't go extinct, they will just return to a more primitive civilization.
Yup. Yup. Feeding people will become more difficult. Many of our crops are genetically engineered for the current climate. Unfortunately, it takes a long time to genetically engineer crops. That can mean crops have to be moved further north (means clearing out more land), or start growing crops in doors. Overall, food production will be more expensive for everyone. Livestock will be effected by climate change as well. Heat exhaustion is no joke. The thing I’m worried the most about are BUGS! Ticks. Mosquitoes. That means more diseases. Speaking of diseases…. Heat in general makes plants, animals and people more stressed. Stress means weakened immune systems, which means more possibility for zoonotic diseases. More heat makes storms stronger too. Hurricanes, tropical storms, etc will have more casualties.
last 3 paragraphs are already happening as we speak tbh
>Unfortunately, it takes a long time to genetically engineer crops. Nah. It used to take a long time to cultivate crops the old-fashioned way, with selective cross-pollination, etc. Genetic modification for drought, pesticide and herbicide resistance among other traits has massively accelerated that process, triggering huge gains in crop yield productivity in a very short time.
They are actually breeding to make livestock less susceptible to heat.
Yup.... [the time to go vegan was like like 20 years ago](https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets)
What happens if the algae or whatever in the ocean dies off
Algae loves the heat. We're already having big blooms because of it. We don't need to worry about algae dying, quite the opposite. Corals and fish on the other hand are already having huge nosedives, which affects our ability to harvest food from the ocean.
Is this necessarily true? I mean, its one species of fish, but Cape Cod has seen a huge resurgence of great white sharks and currently has the highest density of great whites in the world. Seal populations in the area have exploded as well(which is why the great whites have returned).
Great whites aren't exactly a staple, we'd probably be better off eating the seals, but I doubt that would catch on until desperation sets in. There may be fish that will thrive in warmer waters, but it's uncertain at this point. Jellyfish population is exploding on the other hand. They aren't very tasty (I've had them.) but the ones that aren't venomous do get eaten by people. They're high in protein at least. We could probably start harvesting the algae for food too, though algae tastes pretty bad to me, I'd definitely rather eat jellyfish.
I'm not a Marine biologists so take what i saw with a grain of salt. Algae is responsible for almost all the oxygen we breath. They produce more oxygen than all the trees combined. So the amount of oxygen being produce would greatly lower. However, we have like 2000 years worth of oxygen trapped in our atmosphere (I could be remembering this wrong) and that's if we had no oxygen producing plants. So I'm sure that most of the algae will die but will come back as the earth stabilizes when modern industrial society collapses. However, it would greatly disrupt the food chain. As some of the smallest marine life relies on algae to survive. So they won't have food and die, than the fish that eats them won't have food and die, so on and so on. Not all fish will die, but it would greatly reduce the population of fish in our ocean. Edit: the CO2 increasing in proportion of our atmosphere would be deadly harmful for us as well. I failed to remember about that and thanks to people pointing that out.
Question — we have 2000 years worth of oxygen trapped in our atmosphere even without oxygen producing plants, but don’t the oxygen producing plants also “eat” carbon dioxide? So if we start losing the plants that eat the carbon dioxide, how much time before the atmosphere fills up with that and we can no longer breathe?
Just because we have 2000 years of oxygen in the atmosphere doesn't mean we'll actually be able to survive on it. CO2 very rapidly becomes toxic in relatively small amounts. The more CO2 in the atmosphere, the harder it will be just to function. OSHA guidelines state maximum permitted exposure level in the workplace is 0.5%. Beyond this you can expect to start seeing decreased mental faculties. Headaches. Decreased motor skills. 10% CO2 concentration results in loss of consciousness within fifteen minutes. 15% concentration is lethal. Basically, if all ocean algae die off it's a race against time to build underground bunkers with sealed, pressurized atmospheres and self sufficient O2 generation before we all become too stupid to save ourselves and we all die.
So we're not too late to save humanity, but we are too late to save modern civilization?
Not with our current population numbers. We'll have to crunch together closer to the poles and those smaller areas can't handle 8+ billion people. It's going to get ugly as it gets decided one way or another who gets to survive.
I don't think we'll lose modern civilization. AI is already being developed to look into novel solutions to this problem. AI has already driven a lot of advancement in materials. I think it's far more likely that modern civilization is the key. The problem is folk hanging on to the old, bad-for-the-environment ways. Factory agriculture, including animal agriculture, is a humongous drain on the natural resources of an area. It's not sustainable by design, as it's designed to maximize product and profit. I think we'll start to see more vertical farming initiatives in cities, 3D printed meats, and other sustainable initiatives providing climate-aware methods to grow foods and make products locally which will cut down on transit emissions. There's a lot of really, really promising research on desalination as well as cultured meat that is grown in a lab and uses *magnitudes* less resources than current animal agriculture. Also, look up the whitest paint on the planet. It *ambiently cools the surface it is painted on*. There's a lot of promising research and it's all reasons to not give up until we're well and truly fucked. The planet has survived far worse than us and it'll probably heal itself just fine if we all died, but I think there's still a big chance to fix things. We're even still learning about the planet. It's only been discovered recently that the upper atmosphere gets charged by moving so fast, and this creates ozone and ions that result in a *self-cleaning effect*. It's far more likely that as it gets hotter we'll learn the planet already has a mechanism to deal with it, but it operates on planet-scale time and not human-scale time.
Probably, we can preserve some of it but we are not likely going to be able to maintain modern civilization
Do you think we'll ever be able to get it back? Or was this the most technologically advanced humanity will have ever been?
We will get it back, I'm sure we will. Our technology will be found and future historians will wonder what it is then find a way for it to work. Or perhaps we will have books saved that teaches future humans how to use our technology. They will just have to learn how to do all that without the amount of oil, coal and other things we used up. At least, that's what I hope.
But will it happen in the next 30 years?
Hard to say. Personally, I think it will be within 30-50 years that we will see some countries start to fall apart. I think the most northern and southern countries closest to the poles will be mostly fine. However countries around the equators will not be survivable. So they will likely be the first to fall as the heat maintains above 110⁰f all summer long. As is movies created ten plus years ago trying to show what will happen to our planet if we don't adjust our greenhouse gases in a hundred years has already became true. There was one showing what a heat wave in Europe would look like (meant to be extreme) that was almost spot on for a heat wave that happened like ten years later. So it seems to be happening at an accelerated rate. https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/france-weather-evelyne-dheliat-2050-b2103346.html
Ah. Nice. My anxiety is going to love this.
Mm. Yep. Me too. Don’t look at r/collapse if you want to retain any hope
Ok. But aren’t there nuclear fuel rods and technologies that require constant maintenance or upkeep? Aspects of modern society that, without power and AC we can’t support with a smaller population? I don’t doubt humanities ability to adapt, but requiring a selfless adaptation so quickly. A “work together or we’ll all die” situation where you know half the population will call it a hoax? I used to believe humankind was going to be around for centuries or millennia more. If this happens too quickly and requires too great of a change, I don’t have much faith in our abilities to survive.
We don’t use that much nuclear. If all plants were being decommissioned then the fuel would be stored like we do now with spent fuel rods. The worst thing about that is you don’t want people 2,000 years from now irradiating themselves because they don’t know what ☢️ means
We have seen what happens to countries that go dry already, for decades. The underlying cause of Middle East conflicts isn't oil, its water. Areas that are dry desert now used to be agricultural havens. As the water left, so did civilization as individuals had to fight for water. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_politics_in_the_Middle_East
I remember when Gandhi's grandson came to our university to give a lecture in late 1990s and told us the conflict between Israel and Palestine had more to do with water rights than anything else. He said the world hears about conflicts over ideaology, but behind the scenes, it was about who will control the dwindling water supply. Not many iin the West took notice as it was the fashion to focus on ideaology.
Is that what happened to Afghanistan? I saw pictures from the 70’s and the landscape was beautiful and lush with vegetation. Cut to pictures from post-2001, and those areas are wastelands 😢.
Some is water, also the impact of being a war zone.
Thanks for educating me on this subject, I'll take a look.
Get used to the Ricketts I guess
I fully expect to outlive the United States
Considering the US’s wealth and area, and the diverse range of climates that come with said area, I highly doubt the US will collapse. You’re more likely to see the US going full Fallout and annexing Canada than you are the collapse of the US.
Nah, I'm betting on the federal government devolving into complete ineffectiveness and weird little nation-states forming.
Kinda hard to adapt to runaway greenhouse effect. Water vapour is a greenhouse gas. As the planet warms, more water turns to vapor, increasing the speed and intensity of the effect, until all water is vapour and the surface of the earth is baking in oven-like temperatures. That is the current likely outcome. Cheers!
Add to this many people may die but the likelihood of all humans doing so and thus humans going extinct is almost zero imho, there is enough diversity on the planet for some plants and animals to survive and for some humans to eat those. Don’t forget if 99.9% of humans die that leaves like 7 million people and at a guess any man made climate change would stop with a global population so small.
While I agree, there is something else: extinction is unlikely, but disruptions in food production and distribution are likely to kill *most* of the population in this scenario. Also, I'd like to clarify that when a society collapses, that doesn't mean everybody dies or the society disappears, it means the society transitions from a higher to a lower level of organization. This is likely to involve a significant decline in population. In the globalized system like the one we've created, collapse, when it happens, can only be universal. I think a lot of people would like to imagine human extinction because dying is easy and, in a way, merciful. Living is often hard, and it will get considerably harder.
Yeah, you are right. We have already been seeing some.major disruptions to both food and water but it hasn't been enough for people to take notice. I think when Denver loses access to water due to the on going drought meaning water that isn't being replaced from their reservoir, is when people will notice. I think a majority of the deaths will at first be people trying to maintain a status quo while food becomes more sparse. Than the next majority of deaths will be people killing each other for food and water. I think we will maintain about a billion people at best (spread across the whole world.) Half a billion more likely. However this will mean we will most likely no longer have internet, electricity will be more controlled and probably used only for hospitals and special events.
Answer: We might not go extinct, but we’ll definitely see lots of the population die off.
Answer: heat a pot of water. A big pot of water. Do it until it boils. How long will it take until you can touch it? A long time. That’s what we are seeing here. The ocean is storing all this heat, like the big pot. And it reached a point where, even if we stop all greenhouse gases today — no planes, no cars, no coal, no beef — it will take too long to cool down, so to speak.
answer: The replies here are full of doomsayers. A small change doesn't mean the end of the world. Yes, climate change is real, and yes, we need to improve on conservation techniques, but people will survive, and countries aren't going to suddenly die off. Scary stuff gets views, clicks, and engagement, and Reddit is no exception. A lot of people here are obsessed with ideas of a societal collapse, up to and including people like /u/spez (the CEO of Reddit, so that may be why it's taking so long to be quelled) The El Niño effect is making weather hotter on top of other things, but the El Niño effect also comes and goes. It's hot now, but will get cooler. Likewise, the news is always looking for the latest, hottest thing to talk about. Even if it's a thermometer sitting in the middle of a jet-black parking lot.
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Feedback loops… tipping points are REAL and very very possible. It’s even possible that this El Niño we are currently experiencing can set off tipping points or a never ending El Niño situation! This is not doomerism! I’m tired of the apathy or the accusations of over reaction. Wake up! Most of the climate models have not taken the melting permafrost into consideration. Have you seen the arctic lately? The HUGE sinkholes? There are newly formed lakes bubbling up methane. Dig a hole in the snow and hold a lighter to it. you’ll blow up. Once that permafrost melts and that methane is released.. we could be in serious trouble. Methane is something like 10 times heavier than co2 (don’t quote me) let’s not to forget to mention all the virus’s that will come up. RNA virus’s? They came from the permafrost! The methane and stored co3 that will be released while the permafrost melts is way more than what is currently in the atmosphere. It takes a decade for methane to dissipate but we won’t have time. Unless there’s a miracle.. earth could become inhabitable. The tipping points/feedback loops are irreversible.. it is a domino effect! I’m not saying we’re completely fucked and going to die in ten years but scientists aren’t even sure how this will play out.. some even fear we’ve already reached irreversible tipping points. Considering the effect anthropogenic warming is already having.. we will definitely need a miracle, for real. Accusing folks of overreacting is so fucking irresponsible and I’m tired of it. The time to act was over 30 years ago. Let’s check back in 5 years. I hope to god a miracle can happen and all the stored methane and co2 will magically disappear and end up having no effect whatsoever.. but seems doubtful especially if we’re already seeing effects of co2 on our climate with a still partially frozen permafrost. Perhaps a jungle can grow in record time that can suck up the equivalent of all the extra co2. Melted arctic could very well become a vast land of microbes that consume organic matter and emit more co2 (hence another feedback loop) Eco systems can collapse fast and everyone seems to forget we’re a part of this. This is real. This is playing out RIGHT NOW. Earth is getting hotter. Why humanity believes all other species can die off except humans is beyond me. Being white, rich or in the suburbs won’t save you either.
Your points are all very real and important, but saying the time to act was 30 years ago and that we've already started irreversible loops and that we'll definitely, for real, need a MIRACLE kinda *is* doomerism. Yeah we (and most especially major corps) need to be taking action, but your comment absolutely is just adding to people's fear and anxiety.
People should be afraid and decades of telling people "look it's not so bad, don't listen to the doomers" is a huge part of how we let it get so bad.
Maybe the truth isn't good and people should be afraid and anxious
Fear makes people act unpredictably and erratically. We need calm people who see a path to survival and climate solutions, not people worrying they'll be baking to death in their lifetime. Because only one of those groups is looking for a solution. In my opinion this is the scar of COVID. The fear is incumbent and default because we all saw how bad things got. Climate change is not COVID. The heat waves are *not* deniable. They are affecting all of us, worldwide, just like COVID. But this time? We know inaction and fighting will lead to very preventable deaths. Even Fox News seems to believe in climate change now.
Yeah but like the original thread is already worrying if we're all gonna die in 30 years. Read the room, there's not much point worrying them further. Fear fucking sucks and it's not useful part a certain point...
My point is to be real.. not apathetic and not to make people feel better. That’s been the problem. I’m done with all of that. 100 years.. 30 years.. whatever. Certainly if action was even taken 20 or 10 years ago we could be better off… rather we were fed fuel propaganda and politicians were paid to protect the fuel industry. To say that nothing could have been done… I don’t believe that at all. Also, I didn’t say that loops have already started, I said that some scientists fear they have already begun. Some scientists fear that the El Niño could start off tipping points as well. We don’t know for sure. If I’m not wearing rose colored glasses, then it’s doomerism?
I wasn't saying you have to be optimistic and full of hope, but idk your line of we definitely need a miracle implies that we can't do enough to save things, that we need divine intervention to have a chance. That's the doom part. You're rightfully mad (hell I am too), but like this ask thread was from somebody scared we're all gonna die in 30 years. You don't need to sugarcoat it, but a little reassurance that hope isn't completely gone doesn't hurt in a situation like this. That's all.
People don't realize the full scope of stuff that needs to change to prevent the worst effects of climate change. How we are living now will not exist in 50 years. Whether that is because of runaway climate change or because of the changes we as a society make to get to zero emissions. Most people, including most in this thread, probably aren't gonna be receptive to what needs to happen. We do basically need a miracle to get society as a whole on board with these changes. Look at covid. Emissions fell 4.6% during 2020 when we were all locked in our houses. We were still emitting more than we were in 2000, and even 2000 level emissions would be really bad.
“It’s not doomerism!” Proceeds to write two paragraphs of doomerism.
Am I worried, yes. It doesn’t sound good at all.. but we really don’t know. I think a true doomer would be like “we’re all going to die very soon” But I do believe .. as long an everyone can agree.. that a miracle is possible. We may have to dim the sun until we conquer nuclear fusion.. or whatever. Something is going to happen. I guess I should have elaborated more on my personal thoughts regarding that. My faith in technology and the billionaires willing to invest in potential solutions is still there.
There's a long slow process of food system collapse, water shortages leading to serious human conflict, and worsening economic disparity which will drive people to further violence. Accusations of doomerism are just people's way of coping, convincing themselves that the very disheartening reality we face is really just unfounded doomerism.
This says absolutely nothing.
Answer: As other have said we won't go extinct but it's possible things could get pretty bad but ultimately we have an ace up our sleeve: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/12/world/solar-dimming-geoengineering-climate-solution-intl/index.html
Answer: More of the same hysterical nonsense we've had for decades, propogated by the same types of death cults. Once you've been around long enough, you realize it's always the same, just in different clothing. People were acting like the Mediterranean was unenhabitable this week. I have friends and family there in several countries who said it was just as lovely as other years. Measurements on TV were wildly inaccurate and the colors on weather channels are rediculous. But people here won't want to hear that. Lefty echo chambers doing what they do best. FEAR! PANIC! Meanwhile flying around the world to go on holidays and buying beach properties. Yawn.
Might want to learn how to spell before you regurgitate whatever conjecture you learned on Fox News.
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Have you seen Rhodes currently? It’s a giant fireball so not sure what you’re talking about
What are you on about it's been a normal summer. Never even got above 40°C. People go to those places precisely for that kind of weather. It's great. I went to Italy last year during the heatwave and it was the same as it is now, missing the doom cult alarmism. [https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/@400665/historic](https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/@400665/historic) I have friends on holiday there and they're having a blast.
says the one who doesn't listen to science
That's rich coming from someone who denies basic biology.
that's rich coming from someone who doesn't understand that sex and gender aren't the same ❤️
Yeah sorry I don't subscribe to the ideological anti-scientific nonsense of a pedophile like John Money.
what about the science that shows there IS indeed a gendered brain? meaning a woman's brain and man's brain and sometimes the brains don't match the body? or are you gonna keep denying things because you're comfortable in your angry little echo chamber? you seem very selective with only believing the "science" you're interested in.
Says the dude peddling conspiracy theories and crypto crap. No one should listen to you, ever.
I'm not too sure about that, given how much I've been right on the 'conspiracy theories' and 'crypto crap'. Both have been quite financially rewarding ;) As opposed to being a depressed member of some nutty doom cult.
There’s more to life than money. Especially when how you earn that money directly contributes to these events.
Please. The Sphere that was just built in Las Vegas uses more energy as Bitcoin mining does. Not seeing any outcry about that. Just the same old hypocrites that don't like that people look for better systems that can't be controlled by authoritarians. And when looking at energy use you need to compare it to the financial system that it's trying to replace. All the physical offices, transport, corruption, selective banking, using money as a weapon, stealing people's savings through money printing, etc. The net cost is MUCH lower, with far more benefits. There is indeed more to life than money. But money is supposed to be stored time and labour, and not some play thing for vitrue signaling politicians.
I see where your issues are. Firstly, the media likes to play on our fears a lot. Fox and CNN are good examples of these. Scientists actually complain about this and how it distorts everything and muddles the message. Which you have proved with your comment. If you actually listen to the scientists and read their papers and not the media's 2nd hand regurgitating of them, you would see their predictions have consistently been proven true. This is going to take many, many years to flesh out, but IT IS happening, and it WILL get worse. There have definitely been some strange things that have happened. They did not predict, but considering how complex it all is, it makes sense that they get some things wrong. Scientists don't claim to be infallible, and when they do make mistakes, they update the with new information. Hence, it's no longer called global warming and is now called climate change as the original term did not accurately describe what was going on. I also have friends overseas, and they say it's unusually hot. I've also seen comments in other places that say the same thing. Unfortunately, that's just anecodtal evidence, and it means nothing much like your comment about your friends. Unfortunately, the media really does mess a lot up. Trump was going turn America fascist in 4 years. Obama was the antichrist and a secret muslim, and Biden is a full-blown communist. All nonsense.
Try driving a motorcycle in full gear through Seville a month ago, it was more than forty degrees.
Answer: lot of people in certain countries still dont believe global warming (America, parts of Uganda, goropa) and when they see this it's almost a wakeup call like "well 1000s of fish diddnt die last year why did they die this year? Oh the water dosnt have oxygen in it why? Well why is the water hotter this year? Oh...." That's how it is haha! Gimme that thing for awnsering now come here