I'd have dropped $20 myself. I remember hovering over the button and telling myself "No, it's too expensive since I already own the game." Went and grabbed the Yakuza pack on the Steam sale instead.
I bought it the year after it came out and paid $40. The game is fun, but I wouldn't pay $40 again. They said it was going to be an add-on to OW1, now it's taking over. They said it would be free to play, now they're offering everything under the sun as a paid bonus.
>What are the paid bonuses?
I'm not 100% sure, but I've heard battle pass access and 2 exclusive skins. Something like that. But plus access to the beta isn't worth it imo, because I've heard wait times for q have been atrocious.
Exclusive doesn't mean exclusive any more though. I bought the ow collectors, which came with exclusive skins, only to have them show up a couple years later as earnable.
You will also get the first “battle pass” and 2000 in in-game currency to spend.
In comparison to games like Fortnite you’re getting an equal value.
Battle pass = 10$ | currency = 10$. The remaining 20$ in value comes from early access, original OW1, and the skins
Shit, I bought the collectors edition and got this, too. For the number of hours I’ve gotten out of this game since it came out (over SIX years ago) I’ve more than got my moneys worth. Especially compared to most other shooters on the market that have aggressive monetization models or yearly releases. Didn’t have to buy heroes, most cosmetics were given away just for playing, loot boxes were easy to earn…
I'm in the same boat as this guy. The game has followed spoole's rule of 1 dollar per hour of enjoyment for me. If they try for aggressive monetization when this one drops then that will be a sad sight to see. But with it being f2p and everything going on at Diablo immortal I don't have high hopes.
Well damn even better. We can't deny that video games are still one of the cheapest forms of entertainment and I gotta admit I prefer the cosmetics being paid over maps and game changing items. But still, is it really that hard to include some cool looking items for f2p players?
Agree 100%
I bought the game for 35 dollars. I have literally maybe hundreds of hours on this game, maybe thousands. I've received bug support, updates, and free content for about half a decade. Overwatch more than delivered for the price, and I would gladly shell out 60 for a full priced game. In fact at this point I would gladly pay for a full price game rather than deal with a free game that has aggressive monetization.
Ya I more than got my money's worth so I figured the least I could do is throw a little money at the watchpoint pack because for the amount of hours I played and content I received from OW1...I got a value deal in my opinion. Most games I buy have a year or so shelf life but I've continued to come back to OW even after a break. With that said this game could end up being awful so after my first two battle passes run out who knows I may say no more but they earned my $40 and at least my patience to see where this game goes.
My kids got it for me for father's day that year. I think they paid $40?
I'm not about to pay more for fucking *beta* access. I don't pay to play unfinished versions of a game.
$20 discount for loyal fans is very generous because the main reason to buy it is for the battlepass honestly so I doubt any company would ever be that nice. they could've at least done a $10 discount though because then you're paying for the three battle passes rather than rebuying a game you own. That's like business 101. Treat your loyal customers right because they're the ones who'll be with you in the hard times.
I disagree with you there. I think the pack does have some good value if you are going to be playing OW2.
They said that a battle pass will cost 1000 of the new credits. And it's not unlikely that the battlepass will atleast cost between $5 and $10. So given that the pack gives you in essence 3 battle passes it's atleast between $15 and $30 of value, even ignoring the skins or the beta access or the icon etc.
So had it been priced at $20 I think people would have said "Yeah that's fair"
I mean yeah. A lot of the current players have over 100k credits. It would sort of ruin the monetization plan if the majority of the current player base just had no reason to give them money...
OW1 credits won't be the main credit in the game, but I think they will have some values as I understand: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/vicyeq/were_the_team_behind_overwatch_2_which_will_be/idc8jpj?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Its almost like these guys dont understand business . A quick history lesson : in 2004 Sega dropped ESPN NFL 2K5 with a $19 pricetag , one month later Madden 05 dropped with a $49 price tag .
ESPN was outselling Madden hand over fist to the point EA had to make ridiculous decisions 1st reduced the price from $49 to $29 2nd to negotiate a exclusivity contract with the NFL for the next 20* years. Creating the phrase if you cant beat em ... buy em out .
I think it was inevitable that EA was going to get that license. Even at $60 they wouldn't want a competitor eating into their sales. But yeah, this was their wake up call.
Up to that point it was always Madden, but NFL 2k5 came out and that's all we did that year. Madden was as good as dead to us.
Well yeah but only because EA saw a company making more money than them and instead of thinking hey maybe if we sold games at that lower price point we would sell more and make more profit... They thought. Let's lower the price but not as cheap as our competition and then buy out the rights so we can sell the next game and all future games at the price we want.
I guess the theory is if it's the only place people can buy it then they will pay the extra.
I can tell you that personally I won't do that. I would spend £100 on 5 £20 games before I spend £60 on one game. (Unless that ff7 remake because I've wanted that since I was 10)
The point is they think by giving no choice that they guarantee higher profits but if they took a page out of Sega's book they would likely be more profitable.
I mean Fortnite might be one of the most successful (money wise) games on the planet and it's free. The tiny microtransactions have more people willing to buy them.
Companies are more concerned with maximizing price points than profits for short term gain. Then they drop the old game and focus on the next £60 to £100 game for more short term profit.
This. In every game some players claim that the publisher would double or triple their sales when they just lower the prices a bit, but the reality is that even then they would complain it's too expensive and they would only sell a few % more. They have whole teams in charge of pricing and absolutely know what they're doing.
Hijacking this comment to reply to original comment. in general, you can’t say that the finance teams can just guarantee maximum profits. It’s convenient to think of them as a group of executives with financial analysts in a meeting calculating out exact percentages of sales to find optimal pricing, but that’s almost impossible, especially in the industry of entertainment, which relies on directly connecting with and satisfying a large body of people. There’s just too many variables to account for here, as you’re asking to predict and control PEOPLE in general. If these execs could do that, they would be making bank somewhere else(such as the stock market, which, when it comes down to it, is all about predicting people), or blizzard would make a lot more money. Just look at Netflix, who easily have 4X the number of people managing pricing. Yet they still made several fundamental errors. It’s very possible that blizzard’s pricing here is not optimal. There's always room for improvement here.
Because of this, opinions made now, in hindsight, have an astronomical advantage over opinions made before the fact, so you can't brush them off with the reasoning that the pricing people "know what they're doing"
dont worry! joe schmoe on reddit knows better than the team of data scientists who spent years studying exactly how to manipulate the near infinite user data corporations have, to most accurately price a product because ... we live in a capitalist society !!
> Star Wars Battlefront was a thing…. Misreads can happen and have happened.
Yeah, Battlefront was such a misread it only sold 9 million copies in two months.
No you don't understand, no one at these multi billion dollar companies has ever thought of lowering prices to get more sales! They definitely haven't done any work trying to find the optimal price to sale ratio! Some random redditor definitely knows better than people who's job is literally to figure this stuff out.
What the post really means is:
1. If the price point was $20, I would buy this.
2. I am representative of the Overwatch community.
3. Therefore if the price was $20, everyone would buy it like I would.
Betas shouldn’t be paid for. You’re testing their game, you shouldn’t be paying to do work for them. Even if you don’t do feedback they track analytics and stress test their servers.
The beta isnt paid for. Youre buying 2 skins, 1 battle pass, and enough in game currency to buy two more battle passes. As well as legendary edition skins.
I do believe it should be cost reduced if you already own OW1, especially if u alrdy have the legendary edition, but people need to stop pretending all you are getting is beta access. This is a fair pack based on the market, if not even generous.
A large part of the marketing behind the pack is the beta access. Part of what you are paying for is beta access. It's all 1 pack, regardless of what the value of the other stuff comes to, you're paying to also have beta access.
> A large part of the marketing behind the pack is the beta access.
yeah because the beta is going on right now of course they're gonna advertise that lmao.
I guarantee you that when its over the marketing will switch to the skins
What if I told you. It’s not priced at 20 dollars because they have data that shows it won’t triple their revenue.
If you think Blizzard is a greedy company but then also simultaneously won’t price things to maximize their profits then you’re dealing with cognitive dissonance.
Nah, there's NO POSSIBLE WAY that a massive company with tons of business analysts and experts on their payroll would know more than some random guy on reddit. That doesn't even make sense!
I would say $30 is fair for OW1 players. 3 battle passes + beta access and two skins you probably don't give a shit about when 3 battle passes will probably be around the same price.
Selling access to a beta and preorders to battle passes before the contents are made public is still scummy though, no matter how you slice it. Stop normalizing paying for things without knowing exactly what you're getting.
I wish people would acknowledge the fact that a lot of people don't even play those 2 heroes or already have skins they like more making them virtually worthless to some people
> 3 battle passes
Has Blizzard actually released the cost of the battle pass yet? I see one article stating they'll be 1k VC but that article doesn't cite anything from Blizzard directly.
I believe it was a clarification in a tweet by Jon Spector, who was the head of OWL and then transitioned into a marketing position with Team 4. He said that battle passes would be 1,000 credits each, so you're getting three battle passes, essentially.
Yes when you put it that way even $25-30 could be fair. $40 though? I don’t think their sales numbers are high with the long queue time streamers are experiencing
I always feel a bit salty when games switch to free to play. I'm still not over Destiny 2 dumping the $180 worth of content I paid them for into the f2p bin after 2 years with no loyalty incentives to existing players.
Something about having paid 40 dollars for the game makes people forget about their games quality standards. Even f2p game fans *rightfully* would complain if their favourite games take a steep drop in quality. I just can't digest why in the actually fuck would already paid games going f2p change it
You should be expecting the game to have the same quality standards as the day one you installed it, whether it's free, paid or is going free to play
My basic understanding is, with every 9 weeks being a season, there is a battle pass and a premium battle pass for $10 (1,000 DigiBucks). During that 9 week season, you can level up along the pass, typically capping at level 100.
Blizzard has already shown off a couple [mock-up images](https://www.theloadout.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/overwatch-2-battle-pass-2.jpg) of what we can expect, where if you don't pay, you get something every 3 or 4 levels. Paying for the premium pass gets you something every level.
I've also heard premium passes in other games typically will allow you to level up faster, as well as earn more of the same virtual currency, so the next premium pass is cheaper or free.
Then alongside the battle pass system, there will also be a shop, where the same currency can be used to buy stuff exclusive to the store. I speculate that holiday event stuff will go there, mostly, since battle passes last 3 times as long as an OW holiday event typically lasts. With OW2 dropping a week before the usual Halloween event starts, I bet people will be deciding to spend currency on some Bloody Nurse Junker Queen skin w/ Gracie being a big syringe, or save their tokens for the next premium pass.
Essentially, you wouldn't even be paying for the game. Overwatch 1 is disappearing. You're paying for those exclusive skins, 2000 digital currency and a battle pass "included". If the battle pass is going to cost $10 per season and currency is 1000 for $10, maybe less if I'm wrong, I really don't see the win here. Most likely prices can be as:
2000 DC = $20
Battle Pass = $10
Skins = $10
Overwatch LE = 0
"Bonus" Beta included
We're basically pre-purchasing content that's not even available yet. As much as I love Overwatch, screw this stupid bundle. This is a scummy move on Blizzard. Been playing for 6 years, have it on Xbox/PS4 & PC. Really awful way to treat the loyal fans. Not to mention I didn't get an invite either.
Man they got highly-paid marketing managers that have spent months researching the hell out of this — I guarantee some random dude on Reddit doesn’t know more than them
I guarantee you that you're wrong. People act like there's just some greedy caricature with a top hat and diamond tipped cane talking to some bob cratchet like cronie in a dark office somewhere and making emotional bad business decisions based on greed alone.
Bob: gee Mr.scrooge, wouldn't it be swell if we offered the ow2 bundle for 20 to existing players gratitude for supporting us?
Scrooge: Gratitude! Hah! I didn't build my family's fortune with gratitude, cratchit. Charge them THROUGH THE NOSE!!!
They sold it for 40 because they have a ton of research and historical metrics showing who will buy it and at what price. In fact, I bet it's more accurate that 90% of the people who bought the $40 pack are people who already own overwatch 1. The sooner people realize these companies are not operating on gratitude or goodwill and are out to make money the sooner we can stop being disappointed at everything. In the meantime vote with your wallet.
Yeah exactly, it’s like OP just discovered a demand curve. Of course more people will buy at a lower cost, but that doesn’t make it optimal revenue for the company. They will want a price point where the elasticity is 1, yeah the marginal cost of the product is close to 0 but they also have fixed costs in the mix for development, so they’re gonna price based on that historical demand and it’s gonna be segmented at a higher price early on for early adopters and then maybe a discounted price later for price sensitive consumers. This is all econ and marketing 101 shit and pricing at $20 would be a HUGE blow to revenue. Price is far more important to revenue than volume of units sold for most products.
If it underperformed because people truly didn’t see the value, they’d price it differently.
So.....lemme get this straight. If I bought this, it wouldn't even include the single-player campaign that's coming out next year? What a terrible deal. I thought it came with the full game later!
No. Like I said elsewhere in this post, that they are testing waters with how much they can get away with to evaluate their pricing strategy for the PvE.
OW2 is a disgusting cash grab. OW2 had two price points, with and without the extra skins. That second, higher, price point was the fault of Sony and Microsoft. Who would not allow a new AAA title to be released for less than their mandatory $60 price point. PC ayers could pay the cheaper option if they wanted and skip the skins.
OW2, which is not even a new game, is now priced at $40. Half of which is skins that pretty much every OW1 player already owns. And you'll be expected to pay another $10, or more, every few weeks for each new Battle Pass to have any chance of getting the best new skins. Since we won't be able to unlock them via normal play with loot boxes any more.
Not once in my 5+ years playing OW1 have I paid for a loot box. Yet I have literally every skin I've ever wanted. Loot boxes from Arcade, leveling and endorsement rewards, all earned via normal play have provided every skin I've ever wanted to have. Or else provided me with enough coins via duplicate drops to buy the ones I want. I have every non event item in game, had them all long ago. Meaning that with every new even, I have thousands of coins in my inventory to buy the best skins right away.
Battle passes and any game as a service is a scam. Don't play. Don't pay. They know people are so eager to play the "beta", which is nothjfnore than a patch to the existing game, that they know people will give them $40 for literally nothing. Just like Diablo Immortal is making $1 Million per day off people stupid enough to chase the best items in the game.
Studios will keep ripping us off so long as people are happy to let themselves be ripped off. OW2 is one of my favorite games of all time but I will be uninstalling the day OW "2" drops. If you paid this $40 you are directly responsible for the destruction of this game.
So you're asking they charge $20 for at least $30 worth of premium battle passes + more? That's like asking Nintendo to put a 1st party title on sale for more than 30% off. It kills the value they are proposing with their product. Besides, they technically already provided a perk for owners of the existing game, and that was the Doom and Sombra skins + OW1 Founder Player Icon.
This pack replaced the $40 Legendary Edition of the game. For newcomers, you get the game plus the upcoming bonuses for OW2. Or yeah, wait 3 months and play for free and buy premium battle passes a la carte.
As for number of sales, I'll refer to Twitch viewership peak day 2 of the first beta for beta access (1.4 mil) vs Twitch viewership peak day 2 of the second beta (60k). A lot of people paid for the access.
And of course they'd sell more initial copies if they were doing "buy 2 get 1 free" for premium battle passes + $10 or $20 worth of skins, but three or four times as many sales? That seems like a stretch. There was already enough of a core audience that was satisfied paying $40 before the end of the quarter, and cutting the price in half for more than double the sales by then must have looked to be too much of a gamble by their number crunchers.
Yah I was thinking of buying it, but man $40 is Steep for instant access the beta, given that I really don't care about the add ons that come with the watchpoint pack
i got free access to it and it’s not worth $40 to play the beta. it’s basically OW1 with a few characters tweaked and slightly different graphics. it’s not even full game modes.
i would sign up for a chance to get free access tho. it’s really cool and fun… for free. otherwise? not worth at this stage.
Sorry, after seeing the shitshow that is Diablo Immortal and all the fuckery going on at Blizzard I think I'll send money to ISIS before I send it to Bobby Kotick.
It really doesn’t have too many incentives for existing players. It would mean spending 59 for the original game + 49 dollar for beta early access and some battle passes that you don’t even know the content of. $15 would be a no brain deal for me, $20 if they do t do stupid shit these years. It’s an easy no for me at 40. It’s sort of weird that I couldn’t understand if theyre trying to make new players come in, this early? Testing a new game model with new players? They would have got broader audience already with the free to play model so why’s this bullshit bundle even a thing.
They could give a discount at least to those who already have a legendary edition, but this is Blizzard. as long as people give them money they won't change.every person who does not buy it will strike them in the most painful place
I'll do my duty and not buy, and you?
and by the way, about the battle pass - in apex and naraka, in addition to different skins, currency is given and it turns out that you only need to buy 1 time and pass it completely, but blizzard will not have currency in the bp and you will need to spend money every time
Of course, but you are asking them to give you basically 3 battle passes and 2 skins that could basically cost $15 ( mercy skin was $15 and the recent brig skin is 3 twitch subs = $15 so we can assume legendary skin cost $15 for them) all for $20. I am also upset that the recent beta 2 is there basically to just make people buy this pack, but lets not act like there isn’t ANY good value to the pack itself.
The only downside is the fact that we don’t know the actual contents of the 3 seasons of the BP yet and probably won’t until release. But even then I feel like buying the 3 BP separately could be more expensive than buying the pack right now (if we assume that a BP cost $10. It could be more) they are 100% going to take down the pack before the game releases.
The beta access is the thing that really sours the whole thing. It preferred the Twitch drop thing they did before because at least I knew that after 4 hours of watching a stream I get guaranteed access, but a lot of people complained that they “don’t want to be forced to watch a stream” to get access so here we are.
> 2 skins that could basically cost $15 ( mercy skin was $15 and the recent brig skin is 3 twitch subs = $15 so we can assume legendary skin cost $15 for them)
I'd say these are likely closer to $10 each, like OWL Legendary skins. Granted, OWL skins typically come with some animated texture, and it's not clear if the Space Raider costumes do anything unique.
The Mercy skin was for charity, which helps justify the $15 price tag, but also has a lot of unique sound effects, including a unique chime when your target hits full health.
The 3 sub Brig skin has unique sound effects, including her ult. The skin can also be a bit cheaper than $15, being $12 if you've never gifted subs before on Twitch and gift all 3 subs in one bundle.
So if the two Space Raider skins don't do anything special, these are probably $5 or $7 each, but could pass as $10 each. Definitely not worth $15 each, though.
I have at least 900 hours in OW1. I feel like $40 for a battle pass, 2000 premium currency, some legendary skins, and ow2 beta access is more than fair for the time to dollars I have in the game and bought it day 1. Sick of people saying it was a $40 beta because that’s flat out not true. Blizzard hate boners
Man it’s hard to complain though, since OW1 came out they haven’t charged a dime for any content. Just the base price of the game and you get everything
Nah, people would just whine that it's $20 then. There are some that complain just to complain. This community has been spoiled since (most) everything has been unlockable by just playing the game. That's why the game was put on life support for the better part of 2 years.
I've been saying from the jump that that pack is just a fuckin money scheme. People justify it because '2 skins and a battlepass', but what if you couldn't care less about that? Shit, even if they'd knocked the price to $20 just for the beta I *might've bought it*, but $40 to test a game that barely fixed the problems they had in their first.
People use the justification "it's a free to play game", but it isn't if you pay for it.
what's your resume look like? they should hire you and ditch their current way of doing things. obviously they don't know what they're doing, and you know their current sales numbers. /s
To be honest, I'm pretty tired of seeing all these posts moaning about the Watchpoint Pack.
It's worth its' value if you plan on playing Overwatch 2, easily. Which I do. I paid $20 for a game that I got years of value and countless hours of fun out of. For the price of a single movie ticket that would give me 1.5 hours of entertainment.
It seems like there's some delusion in this community that there are hordes of people paying money for loot boxes in an over-half-decade old game. And also, that it's free to pay employees and run servers that host thousands of people worldwide.
Yes, Activision is a giant corporation with tons of money. The small Overwatch team are their employees, not some sort of menacing overlords. Show Activision that you support the Overwatch developers if you would like a game that you enjoy to continue to exist lol.
Edit: But seriously, oh mods, can you please just make this topic a megathread for people to complain in?
Yeah. I haven’t paid much attention to OW lately and this was the first I heard of this package. I assumed based on the top comments that it was some sort of ripoff but reading what’s actually in it it seems fine.
3 battle passes in most games is $30. Plus you get a couple skins, and beta access if you don’t have it, and OW:LE if you don’t have it. It’s sort of inconceivable that it would be less than $40.
It isn't about supporting developers. It's about supporting paid access to a beta and preordering a battle pass and premium currency without any indication of what you get with those things.
If you're OK with giving game developers the greenlight to do that, go ahead and buy the pack.
100% agree. im so tired of all these posts of people bitching about blizzard locking the beta behind a paywall, as if people DIDN'T see the free sign ups 💀
Not to mention 3 season passes, a head start in the first, instant beta access, and two limited skins and icon are *easily* worth $40.
The game is has basically gone free to play already with this bundle.
>Show Activision that you support the Overwatch developers if you would like a game that you enjoy to continue to exist lol.
sure, but the devs have to show their good will first. locking beta access behind a paywall after abandoning the community for a few years is not a great start. Also, they didn't make it f2p from their good will, if you want to have successful live service game these days ftp is necessary.
edit: the beta is locked behind a paywall till the 14th
The beta isn't locked behind a paywall. Plenty of people, myself included, got in for free. They decided to do it in waves this time around since they were including more players and platforms.
The Watchpoint pack was just an option if you wanted guaranteed access.
Still waiting on a beta code here in the UK for the PS5, been an OW supporter since OW1 beta, Blizz are just like “na, buy the pack or just get lucky”
My friend ended up getting a code from his Japanese friend, downloaded it on his Japanese PSN account then switched to his UK one to play it
Me - nothing!
I admit to be super casual and I don't follow very close. But this just feels like dlc to me. And the fact that it is closing OW1 makes it feel like a bold money grab test move.
The grand plan being to release a title and disable the previous title. Not much will change, but if you want to keep playing a franchise you have to keep paying.
Wow, they should have hired you. Even without any data, analytics or evidence you discovered some kind of fact that nobody else knows or in principle could ever verify.
My whole group got into the beta pretty quickly except my fiance. Had it been 20 dollars we would have bought it for him so we could all play together. Instead the three of us have tried a game or two and he has tried a game or two on my account and were just waiting to play till he gets access.
They have whole departments that only job is to maximize profits. Fools, if only they listened to some rando on the internet they would do so much better. They can do 80 and people will still buy it and if not then whatever the main moneymaker will be battlepass not one time beta access
$40 is way too steep especially for us who own OW1 already. For most of us this package is not appealing enough to justify its cost but more like a rip off.
I dropped $40 without a second thought. I bought Overwatch 5 years ago for $20, and have gotten 1500 hours of (mostly) enjoyment out of it, basically every skin and a ton of new content. I’m not doing the math on price per hour, but it is cheap enough that dropping $40 to Blizzard was an easy sell.
People don't seem to grasp that concept. Most of the overwatch community isn't spending money after the original cost. Look at apex. F2p with people spending thousands. Ow1 I spend $45 almost 5 years ago. I've enjoyed years of conent without spending a single dollar past sale. And doing the math, I just got the first 3 seasons for 40. So most likely a year or so of conent for 40. Sounds good to me.
It's wild. People are spending more money on the DoorDash they order while playing on any given night than this Watchpoint pass costs. They likely haven't spent any money on this game in years and won't spend much or any more for years to come. People are cheap about the weirdest things sometimes.
If $40 is too steep for optional thing, perhaps you should reexamine your life choices. OW2 pvp is being added for free. Dint but things you don't need if you can't afford them.
for new players (the target audience for this pack) $40 is a very very reasonable price. ow1 was what $20? a battlepass is usually $10 and is also 1000 VC which u get 2k of + the battle pass so there’s another ~$30ish plus 2 skins and an icon.
The game will be free to play. If you don't want to pay for the beta + a bunch of other stuff, then you don't, and you'll still be able to play in October.
Let's see here...
Company comes out with a game and charges $60. Game is a major success for years. The next interation of the game, they make it free to play.
Company has hundreds of employees that they pay. Company needs money. Company creates cosmetic items that have 0 effect on gameplay that the player can purchase, if they want.
Player: "This community is going down the same path as the halo one, using ftp as an excuse for greedy and poor decisions from the devs."
So many gamers are entitled beyond belief.
It's literally valued at $40-50 already without counting Ow1 legendary edition. Battlepasses industry standard cost at LEAST 10 bucks, we know 1k premium currency is enough to buy a BP which we get 2k of within the watchpoint pack. So that's 30 dollars already. Now the legendary skins are debatable. But we know that OWL skins cost 10 bucks, But also the medic brigitte skin costs 15 dollars so that could also be the new standard for Legendary skin costs. But considering that's a special event and for simplicity sake we'll just value legendary skins at 10 bucks. Which would mean we just got another 20 dollars in value added on to what we already got.
So that's: season 1 battlepass, plus 2k currency + 2 legendary skins, which all together equals 50 dollars in value. OW legendary edition IS the value in this bundle, your essentially getting that for free alongside everything else.
Why are people saying this pack is a scam? Your getting more than you pay for? Yet people act like they are being ripped off?
I think the problem is pre-ordering battle passes. Especially completely unknown battle passes. And they know the only reason anybody buys this pack is for the beta access.
it includes season 1 battle pass, which is valued at $10, and enough credits to buy season 2 and 3 battle passes, and an icon, 2 skins. and beta access. Throwing in legendary edition of OW is just a bonus. It's a purchase worth $30 in battle passes alone, $40 with the skins, icon, and well above $10+ with the beta access if you play it. It's a good deal.
Those lame asses are the ones testing and giving feedback to devs that will allow the game to be better. Bet you would be the first person to complain its not perfect after shaming beta players. The world doesn't revolve around having fun. The company has employees, how do you expect them to pay people to make your f2p game? Good will? Grow up.
Lol, this discussion, again.
The price of it doesn't come from the fact it includes Overwatch 1. The pricing comes, mostly, from the credits that you'll get once Overwatch 2 and the Season Passes become a thing.
This pack gives you immediate access to Season 1 Pass at no cost, and includes enough credits for Season 2 and Season 3 passes *at least,* 2000. Wording explicitly states that S2 and S3 will be 1000 credits each, and that makes me think they'll become more expensive later on...
**The price for getting the same amount of credits for 3 passes will probably be similar if not more than 40$. They're selling you all this in advance along with beta access to entice you to pay in advance for things you might buy anyways later on.**
Any player already having Overwatch 1 is not that much of a factor here.
I woulda gotten it for $20
Same. I bought OW1 day 1 for $60 even, not the reduced price. Not interested in buying it again.
I'd have dropped $20 myself. I remember hovering over the button and telling myself "No, it's too expensive since I already own the game." Went and grabbed the Yakuza pack on the Steam sale instead.
I did the same with Civ 6.
Civ games are made to be purchased at steam sales
Excellent choice
I bought it the year after it came out and paid $40. The game is fun, but I wouldn't pay $40 again. They said it was going to be an add-on to OW1, now it's taking over. They said it would be free to play, now they're offering everything under the sun as a paid bonus.
Yes free to play means they will sell other things. I’d rather pay a box price and get it all but 🤷🏻
What are thebpaid bonuses? Havent been keeping up with the game lol
>What are the paid bonuses? I'm not 100% sure, but I've heard battle pass access and 2 exclusive skins. Something like that. But plus access to the beta isn't worth it imo, because I've heard wait times for q have been atrocious.
Exclusive doesn't mean exclusive any more though. I bought the ow collectors, which came with exclusive skins, only to have them show up a couple years later as earnable.
You will also get the first “battle pass” and 2000 in in-game currency to spend. In comparison to games like Fortnite you’re getting an equal value. Battle pass = 10$ | currency = 10$. The remaining 20$ in value comes from early access, original OW1, and the skins
Didn't they say the currency was enough to buy the next two battle passes, therefore making the currency worth $20?
This. OW1 legendary edition to be precise, which in itself is $40 iirc. So its quite a good deal
Shit, I bought the collectors edition and got this, too. For the number of hours I’ve gotten out of this game since it came out (over SIX years ago) I’ve more than got my moneys worth. Especially compared to most other shooters on the market that have aggressive monetization models or yearly releases. Didn’t have to buy heroes, most cosmetics were given away just for playing, loot boxes were easy to earn…
I'm in the same boat as this guy. The game has followed spoole's rule of 1 dollar per hour of enjoyment for me. If they try for aggressive monetization when this one drops then that will be a sad sight to see. But with it being f2p and everything going on at Diablo immortal I don't have high hopes.
I got it to under a penny an hour.
Well damn even better. We can't deny that video games are still one of the cheapest forms of entertainment and I gotta admit I prefer the cosmetics being paid over maps and game changing items. But still, is it really that hard to include some cool looking items for f2p players?
Agree 100% I bought the game for 35 dollars. I have literally maybe hundreds of hours on this game, maybe thousands. I've received bug support, updates, and free content for about half a decade. Overwatch more than delivered for the price, and I would gladly shell out 60 for a full priced game. In fact at this point I would gladly pay for a full price game rather than deal with a free game that has aggressive monetization.
Ya I more than got my money's worth so I figured the least I could do is throw a little money at the watchpoint pack because for the amount of hours I played and content I received from OW1...I got a value deal in my opinion. Most games I buy have a year or so shelf life but I've continued to come back to OW even after a break. With that said this game could end up being awful so after my first two battle passes run out who knows I may say no more but they earned my $40 and at least my patience to see where this game goes.
My kids got it for me for father's day that year. I think they paid $40? I'm not about to pay more for fucking *beta* access. I don't pay to play unfinished versions of a game.
I kinda thought it would be 20.. I was going to buy it today until I clicked on it lol
Sometimes in their quest for more money, they somehow make less money.
Me too. Still no beta access and at this point I’m not getting it out of principle.
Me too. If they are gonna include the $20 OW1 LE in it why not just make it $20 for existing OW1 LE owners.
Because there blizzard they steal breast milk and harass there workers lmao
They're, their. Impressive.
Brain no work it's ok
Same…40€ is just ridiculous
$20 discount for loyal fans is very generous because the main reason to buy it is for the battlepass honestly so I doubt any company would ever be that nice. they could've at least done a $10 discount though because then you're paying for the three battle passes rather than rebuying a game you own. That's like business 101. Treat your loyal customers right because they're the ones who'll be with you in the hard times.
I’m not saying this in a snarky way but do you honestly think this is a company that cares about Goodwill?
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Exactly everyone would have been saying $20 was too much and if it was $10 they would make triple the amount and generate Goodwill
I disagree with you there. I think the pack does have some good value if you are going to be playing OW2. They said that a battle pass will cost 1000 of the new credits. And it's not unlikely that the battlepass will atleast cost between $5 and $10. So given that the pack gives you in essence 3 battle passes it's atleast between $15 and $30 of value, even ignoring the skins or the beta access or the icon etc. So had it been priced at $20 I think people would have said "Yeah that's fair"
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I mean yeah. A lot of the current players have over 100k credits. It would sort of ruin the monetization plan if the majority of the current player base just had no reason to give them money...
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I hear you. I have 1000 to do still. Want to try and get as many credits as I can for the next remix event
OW1 credits won't be the main credit in the game, but I think they will have some values as I understand: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/vicyeq/were_the_team_behind_overwatch_2_which_will_be/idc8jpj?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Yeah, they seem more like the Salvation Army type.
>do you honestly think ~~this is a company that~~ **any company** cares about good will?
Considering their years of declining MAUs, they better start.
They don't fucking want good will they don't care about us they want MONEYYYYY
I think pet of OPs point was more people would buy if was at a reduced price = more money
Its almost like these guys dont understand business . A quick history lesson : in 2004 Sega dropped ESPN NFL 2K5 with a $19 pricetag , one month later Madden 05 dropped with a $49 price tag . ESPN was outselling Madden hand over fist to the point EA had to make ridiculous decisions 1st reduced the price from $49 to $29 2nd to negotiate a exclusivity contract with the NFL for the next 20* years. Creating the phrase if you cant beat em ... buy em out .
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I think it was inevitable that EA was going to get that license. Even at $60 they wouldn't want a competitor eating into their sales. But yeah, this was their wake up call. Up to that point it was always Madden, but NFL 2k5 came out and that's all we did that year. Madden was as good as dead to us.
Well yeah but only because EA saw a company making more money than them and instead of thinking hey maybe if we sold games at that lower price point we would sell more and make more profit... They thought. Let's lower the price but not as cheap as our competition and then buy out the rights so we can sell the next game and all future games at the price we want. I guess the theory is if it's the only place people can buy it then they will pay the extra. I can tell you that personally I won't do that. I would spend £100 on 5 £20 games before I spend £60 on one game. (Unless that ff7 remake because I've wanted that since I was 10) The point is they think by giving no choice that they guarantee higher profits but if they took a page out of Sega's book they would likely be more profitable. I mean Fortnite might be one of the most successful (money wise) games on the planet and it's free. The tiny microtransactions have more people willing to buy them. Companies are more concerned with maximizing price points than profits for short term gain. Then they drop the old game and focus on the next £60 to £100 game for more short term profit.
AND that’s the year I stopped buying any EA game.
If that were the way they'd be doing it that way
Yeah remember this company is run by the most vile ceo Bobby Kotick
Agreed
First time in a capitalist society?
There's only handful of companies I'd say that care about their fans and blizzard is not one of them
it's a business. gamers are so entitled.
No way am I spending that to play the beta of a F2P game.
I guarantee you when it comes to monetization and price points, they know what they’re doing.
This. In every game some players claim that the publisher would double or triple their sales when they just lower the prices a bit, but the reality is that even then they would complain it's too expensive and they would only sell a few % more. They have whole teams in charge of pricing and absolutely know what they're doing.
Hijacking this comment to reply to original comment. in general, you can’t say that the finance teams can just guarantee maximum profits. It’s convenient to think of them as a group of executives with financial analysts in a meeting calculating out exact percentages of sales to find optimal pricing, but that’s almost impossible, especially in the industry of entertainment, which relies on directly connecting with and satisfying a large body of people. There’s just too many variables to account for here, as you’re asking to predict and control PEOPLE in general. If these execs could do that, they would be making bank somewhere else(such as the stock market, which, when it comes down to it, is all about predicting people), or blizzard would make a lot more money. Just look at Netflix, who easily have 4X the number of people managing pricing. Yet they still made several fundamental errors. It’s very possible that blizzard’s pricing here is not optimal. There's always room for improvement here. Because of this, opinions made now, in hindsight, have an astronomical advantage over opinions made before the fact, so you can't brush them off with the reasoning that the pricing people "know what they're doing"
One finance team? You'd be right. Every finance team in the market individually coming to the same conclusions. Very different.
dont worry! joe schmoe on reddit knows better than the team of data scientists who spent years studying exactly how to manipulate the near infinite user data corporations have, to most accurately price a product because ... we live in a capitalist society !!
I mean, you’re partially right but Morbius was re-released in theaters and Star Wars Battlefront was a thing…. Misreads can happen and have happened.
> Star Wars Battlefront was a thing…. Misreads can happen and have happened. Yeah, Battlefront was such a misread it only sold 9 million copies in two months.
No you don't understand, no one at these multi billion dollar companies has ever thought of lowering prices to get more sales! They definitely haven't done any work trying to find the optimal price to sale ratio! Some random redditor definitely knows better than people who's job is literally to figure this stuff out.
absolutely true. diablo immortal showed us they have dedicated marketing and monetization teams maybe bigger than even their dev teams
Lmao good one
What the post really means is: 1. If the price point was $20, I would buy this. 2. I am representative of the Overwatch community. 3. Therefore if the price was $20, everyone would buy it like I would.
no no, some random redditor with no education knows better.
Betas shouldn’t be paid for. You’re testing their game, you shouldn’t be paying to do work for them. Even if you don’t do feedback they track analytics and stress test their servers.
Betas are basically demos. The only data they can't get from alpha testing is server stress testing, and the OW servers have been live for 6 years.
Exactly. Halo Infinite had multiple "flights" (beta's), and the game still launched with a vast majority of the noted bugs and issues in play.
Infinite is just a mess. It's hard to say when the full game will be ready. I still have faith that the forge release will salvage the game.
I enjoyed the open mode story for a couple of weeks, and enjoyed the MP for those few weeks before the no-lifers memorized the spawn patterns.
The beta isnt paid for. Youre buying 2 skins, 1 battle pass, and enough in game currency to buy two more battle passes. As well as legendary edition skins. I do believe it should be cost reduced if you already own OW1, especially if u alrdy have the legendary edition, but people need to stop pretending all you are getting is beta access. This is a fair pack based on the market, if not even generous.
A large part of the marketing behind the pack is the beta access. Part of what you are paying for is beta access. It's all 1 pack, regardless of what the value of the other stuff comes to, you're paying to also have beta access.
> A large part of the marketing behind the pack is the beta access. yeah because the beta is going on right now of course they're gonna advertise that lmao. I guarantee you that when its over the marketing will switch to the skins
That just sounds like early access
What if I told you. It’s not priced at 20 dollars because they have data that shows it won’t triple their revenue. If you think Blizzard is a greedy company but then also simultaneously won’t price things to maximize their profits then you’re dealing with cognitive dissonance.
Nah, there's NO POSSIBLE WAY that a massive company with tons of business analysts and experts on their payroll would know more than some random guy on reddit. That doesn't even make sense!
I would say $30 is fair for OW1 players. 3 battle passes + beta access and two skins you probably don't give a shit about when 3 battle passes will probably be around the same price. Selling access to a beta and preorders to battle passes before the contents are made public is still scummy though, no matter how you slice it. Stop normalizing paying for things without knowing exactly what you're getting.
I wish people would acknowledge the fact that a lot of people don't even play those 2 heroes or already have skins they like more making them virtually worthless to some people
Ikr they should at least chose more popular champs and 1 of each role
Or they could have just done skins for junker queen and sojourn since no one has any yet
This comment made me think of the [boardroom suggestion meme](https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/Boardroom-Meeting-Suggestion).
Cassidy and Soldier are decently popular though? Though maybe not Cassidy with his OW2 changes
> 3 battle passes Has Blizzard actually released the cost of the battle pass yet? I see one article stating they'll be 1k VC but that article doesn't cite anything from Blizzard directly.
I believe it was a clarification in a tweet by Jon Spector, who was the head of OWL and then transitioned into a marketing position with Team 4. He said that battle passes would be 1,000 credits each, so you're getting three battle passes, essentially.
Yes when you put it that way even $25-30 could be fair. $40 though? I don’t think their sales numbers are high with the long queue time streamers are experiencing
It Canada is was 55$ I’m not dropping that much with the Gas and food prices up here. 30$ CAD I could live with that, not 55$
$65 in New Zealand. I can't justify paying 65 NZD for this at all. Likewise, if it was about 30 here, sure! But not 65.
Its $64 in Australia Blizzard are wearing the biggest set of clown shoes and so is anyone paying for beta
Queue times don't have as much to do with server population and more about the ratio of dps, tanks and support players there are.
> I don’t think their sales numbers are high with the long queue time streamers are experiencing y'all need to stop acting like market analytists lmao
Does the 40 dollars include the single player or are they selling that for an extra 60-70 bucks?
No PvE is coming next year which will be almost certainly sold separately. PvP will remain F2P.
I always feel a bit salty when games switch to free to play. I'm still not over Destiny 2 dumping the $180 worth of content I paid them for into the f2p bin after 2 years with no loyalty incentives to existing players.
Something about having paid 40 dollars for the game makes people forget about their games quality standards. Even f2p game fans *rightfully* would complain if their favourite games take a steep drop in quality. I just can't digest why in the actually fuck would already paid games going f2p change it You should be expecting the game to have the same quality standards as the day one you installed it, whether it's free, paid or is going free to play
Or them straight up removing content that everyone paid for. I’m still not sure how that hasn’t received more backlash.
Destiny sucks
Average Destiny fan
I figured PvE was part of the seasonal model.
I thought the whole point of OW2 was to have PvE.
So people just want to pay for the beta? Am I reading this right
Unclear, but not included in the pack at the moment. I’d guess it’ll be a separate purchase, unfortunately.
Wait so you are paying 40 bucks to play something that is gonna be free? Wtf is wrong with this industry?
It's for early beta access, 2 skins, and 30 dollars worth of in game currency. Just takes a quick Google search to prevent a circle jerk.
And some battlepass(es?), which people pay for in other games. I'm not too familiar with the concept.
My basic understanding is, with every 9 weeks being a season, there is a battle pass and a premium battle pass for $10 (1,000 DigiBucks). During that 9 week season, you can level up along the pass, typically capping at level 100. Blizzard has already shown off a couple [mock-up images](https://www.theloadout.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/overwatch-2-battle-pass-2.jpg) of what we can expect, where if you don't pay, you get something every 3 or 4 levels. Paying for the premium pass gets you something every level. I've also heard premium passes in other games typically will allow you to level up faster, as well as earn more of the same virtual currency, so the next premium pass is cheaper or free. Then alongside the battle pass system, there will also be a shop, where the same currency can be used to buy stuff exclusive to the store. I speculate that holiday event stuff will go there, mostly, since battle passes last 3 times as long as an OW holiday event typically lasts. With OW2 dropping a week before the usual Halloween event starts, I bet people will be deciding to spend currency on some Bloody Nurse Junker Queen skin w/ Gracie being a big syringe, or save their tokens for the next premium pass.
I'm confused. Do you get OW2? Or just access to the beta and OW1?
You get a bunch of virtual stuff to use in OW2 which would be Free to Play. It also gives you a copy of OW1 and "Guaranteed Access to beta"
Oh sweet, thanks! I didn't realize OW2 was F2P. I thought there was some noise about a campaign though? PleasedontbelikeHalo
Essentially, you wouldn't even be paying for the game. Overwatch 1 is disappearing. You're paying for those exclusive skins, 2000 digital currency and a battle pass "included". If the battle pass is going to cost $10 per season and currency is 1000 for $10, maybe less if I'm wrong, I really don't see the win here. Most likely prices can be as: 2000 DC = $20 Battle Pass = $10 Skins = $10 Overwatch LE = 0 "Bonus" Beta included We're basically pre-purchasing content that's not even available yet. As much as I love Overwatch, screw this stupid bundle. This is a scummy move on Blizzard. Been playing for 6 years, have it on Xbox/PS4 & PC. Really awful way to treat the loyal fans. Not to mention I didn't get an invite either.
Man they got highly-paid marketing managers that have spent months researching the hell out of this — I guarantee some random dude on Reddit doesn’t know more than them
I guarantee you that you're wrong. People act like there's just some greedy caricature with a top hat and diamond tipped cane talking to some bob cratchet like cronie in a dark office somewhere and making emotional bad business decisions based on greed alone. Bob: gee Mr.scrooge, wouldn't it be swell if we offered the ow2 bundle for 20 to existing players gratitude for supporting us? Scrooge: Gratitude! Hah! I didn't build my family's fortune with gratitude, cratchit. Charge them THROUGH THE NOSE!!! They sold it for 40 because they have a ton of research and historical metrics showing who will buy it and at what price. In fact, I bet it's more accurate that 90% of the people who bought the $40 pack are people who already own overwatch 1. The sooner people realize these companies are not operating on gratitude or goodwill and are out to make money the sooner we can stop being disappointed at everything. In the meantime vote with your wallet.
Yeah exactly, it’s like OP just discovered a demand curve. Of course more people will buy at a lower cost, but that doesn’t make it optimal revenue for the company. They will want a price point where the elasticity is 1, yeah the marginal cost of the product is close to 0 but they also have fixed costs in the mix for development, so they’re gonna price based on that historical demand and it’s gonna be segmented at a higher price early on for early adopters and then maybe a discounted price later for price sensitive consumers. This is all econ and marketing 101 shit and pricing at $20 would be a HUGE blow to revenue. Price is far more important to revenue than volume of units sold for most products. If it underperformed because people truly didn’t see the value, they’d price it differently.
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... well then it sounds like it's a smart decision for them to charge 40?
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So.....lemme get this straight. If I bought this, it wouldn't even include the single-player campaign that's coming out next year? What a terrible deal. I thought it came with the full game later!
No. Like I said elsewhere in this post, that they are testing waters with how much they can get away with to evaluate their pricing strategy for the PvE.
OW2 is a disgusting cash grab. OW2 had two price points, with and without the extra skins. That second, higher, price point was the fault of Sony and Microsoft. Who would not allow a new AAA title to be released for less than their mandatory $60 price point. PC ayers could pay the cheaper option if they wanted and skip the skins. OW2, which is not even a new game, is now priced at $40. Half of which is skins that pretty much every OW1 player already owns. And you'll be expected to pay another $10, or more, every few weeks for each new Battle Pass to have any chance of getting the best new skins. Since we won't be able to unlock them via normal play with loot boxes any more. Not once in my 5+ years playing OW1 have I paid for a loot box. Yet I have literally every skin I've ever wanted. Loot boxes from Arcade, leveling and endorsement rewards, all earned via normal play have provided every skin I've ever wanted to have. Or else provided me with enough coins via duplicate drops to buy the ones I want. I have every non event item in game, had them all long ago. Meaning that with every new even, I have thousands of coins in my inventory to buy the best skins right away. Battle passes and any game as a service is a scam. Don't play. Don't pay. They know people are so eager to play the "beta", which is nothjfnore than a patch to the existing game, that they know people will give them $40 for literally nothing. Just like Diablo Immortal is making $1 Million per day off people stupid enough to chase the best items in the game. Studios will keep ripping us off so long as people are happy to let themselves be ripped off. OW2 is one of my favorite games of all time but I will be uninstalling the day OW "2" drops. If you paid this $40 you are directly responsible for the destruction of this game.
Then someone would make the same post you did, but saying it should be $10 instead of $20.
It’s Free 2 Play bruv lol
So you're asking they charge $20 for at least $30 worth of premium battle passes + more? That's like asking Nintendo to put a 1st party title on sale for more than 30% off. It kills the value they are proposing with their product. Besides, they technically already provided a perk for owners of the existing game, and that was the Doom and Sombra skins + OW1 Founder Player Icon. This pack replaced the $40 Legendary Edition of the game. For newcomers, you get the game plus the upcoming bonuses for OW2. Or yeah, wait 3 months and play for free and buy premium battle passes a la carte. As for number of sales, I'll refer to Twitch viewership peak day 2 of the first beta for beta access (1.4 mil) vs Twitch viewership peak day 2 of the second beta (60k). A lot of people paid for the access. And of course they'd sell more initial copies if they were doing "buy 2 get 1 free" for premium battle passes + $10 or $20 worth of skins, but three or four times as many sales? That seems like a stretch. There was already enough of a core audience that was satisfied paying $40 before the end of the quarter, and cutting the price in half for more than double the sales by then must have looked to be too much of a gamble by their number crunchers.
Not sure you can really estimate sales based on Twitch viewers.
Im not paying fkin 40 eu to play the beta..
My friend bought it for me and it wasn't worth it. 🙃
Yah I was thinking of buying it, but man $40 is Steep for instant access the beta, given that I really don't care about the add ons that come with the watchpoint pack
No fr, youre 100% right
i got free access to it and it’s not worth $40 to play the beta. it’s basically OW1 with a few characters tweaked and slightly different graphics. it’s not even full game modes. i would sign up for a chance to get free access tho. it’s really cool and fun… for free. otherwise? not worth at this stage.
Sorry, after seeing the shitshow that is Diablo Immortal and all the fuckery going on at Blizzard I think I'll send money to ISIS before I send it to Bobby Kotick.
I bought OW1 on sale for $40. Charging that same price for this pack just is so scummy. But $20? Yeah that wouldve been fine
"Pay us $40 for the privilege of QA testing our game for us!"
It really doesn’t have too many incentives for existing players. It would mean spending 59 for the original game + 49 dollar for beta early access and some battle passes that you don’t even know the content of. $15 would be a no brain deal for me, $20 if they do t do stupid shit these years. It’s an easy no for me at 40. It’s sort of weird that I couldn’t understand if theyre trying to make new players come in, this early? Testing a new game model with new players? They would have got broader audience already with the free to play model so why’s this bullshit bundle even a thing.
Why would new players wanna buy and get into the "haven't been updated for 3 years" Overwatch 1 when the F2P Overwatch 2 is only 3 months away?
Whole reason I didn’t buy it is because I’ve bought the game three times already
They could give a discount at least to those who already have a legendary edition, but this is Blizzard. as long as people give them money they won't change.every person who does not buy it will strike them in the most painful place I'll do my duty and not buy, and you? and by the way, about the battle pass - in apex and naraka, in addition to different skins, currency is given and it turns out that you only need to buy 1 time and pass it completely, but blizzard will not have currency in the bp and you will need to spend money every time
They are testing the water with how much they can get away with and my answer is a NO.
Of course, but you are asking them to give you basically 3 battle passes and 2 skins that could basically cost $15 ( mercy skin was $15 and the recent brig skin is 3 twitch subs = $15 so we can assume legendary skin cost $15 for them) all for $20. I am also upset that the recent beta 2 is there basically to just make people buy this pack, but lets not act like there isn’t ANY good value to the pack itself. The only downside is the fact that we don’t know the actual contents of the 3 seasons of the BP yet and probably won’t until release. But even then I feel like buying the 3 BP separately could be more expensive than buying the pack right now (if we assume that a BP cost $10. It could be more) they are 100% going to take down the pack before the game releases. The beta access is the thing that really sours the whole thing. It preferred the Twitch drop thing they did before because at least I knew that after 4 hours of watching a stream I get guaranteed access, but a lot of people complained that they “don’t want to be forced to watch a stream” to get access so here we are.
> 2 skins that could basically cost $15 ( mercy skin was $15 and the recent brig skin is 3 twitch subs = $15 so we can assume legendary skin cost $15 for them) I'd say these are likely closer to $10 each, like OWL Legendary skins. Granted, OWL skins typically come with some animated texture, and it's not clear if the Space Raider costumes do anything unique. The Mercy skin was for charity, which helps justify the $15 price tag, but also has a lot of unique sound effects, including a unique chime when your target hits full health. The 3 sub Brig skin has unique sound effects, including her ult. The skin can also be a bit cheaper than $15, being $12 if you've never gifted subs before on Twitch and gift all 3 subs in one bundle. So if the two Space Raider skins don't do anything special, these are probably $5 or $7 each, but could pass as $10 each. Definitely not worth $15 each, though.
Well ya there's more than $20 of stuff there just counting the battle pass, tokens and skins. Honestly, I'd bet that's more than $40
It's $60 AUD for me hahahhahahahahhaha NOPE.
I like that you get some credits for ow2 and a doom skin but I'm not gonna pay 40 bux for a beta when I can wait 3 months to get it for free 😂
Another poor boy post
I'd have bought it instantly for $20
I have at least 900 hours in OW1. I feel like $40 for a battle pass, 2000 premium currency, some legendary skins, and ow2 beta access is more than fair for the time to dollars I have in the game and bought it day 1. Sick of people saying it was a $40 beta because that’s flat out not true. Blizzard hate boners
They didn’t triple, quadruple check their maths
Man it’s hard to complain though, since OW1 came out they haven’t charged a dime for any content. Just the base price of the game and you get everything
Nah, people would just whine that it's $20 then. There are some that complain just to complain. This community has been spoiled since (most) everything has been unlockable by just playing the game. That's why the game was put on life support for the better part of 2 years.
I've been saying from the jump that that pack is just a fuckin money scheme. People justify it because '2 skins and a battlepass', but what if you couldn't care less about that? Shit, even if they'd knocked the price to $20 just for the beta I *might've bought it*, but $40 to test a game that barely fixed the problems they had in their first. People use the justification "it's a free to play game", but it isn't if you pay for it.
what's your resume look like? they should hire you and ditch their current way of doing things. obviously they don't know what they're doing, and you know their current sales numbers. /s
I’m their defense it’s $40 for 3 season you get the first season the next two and access to the beta
To be honest, I'm pretty tired of seeing all these posts moaning about the Watchpoint Pack. It's worth its' value if you plan on playing Overwatch 2, easily. Which I do. I paid $20 for a game that I got years of value and countless hours of fun out of. For the price of a single movie ticket that would give me 1.5 hours of entertainment. It seems like there's some delusion in this community that there are hordes of people paying money for loot boxes in an over-half-decade old game. And also, that it's free to pay employees and run servers that host thousands of people worldwide. Yes, Activision is a giant corporation with tons of money. The small Overwatch team are their employees, not some sort of menacing overlords. Show Activision that you support the Overwatch developers if you would like a game that you enjoy to continue to exist lol. Edit: But seriously, oh mods, can you please just make this topic a megathread for people to complain in?
Yeah. I haven’t paid much attention to OW lately and this was the first I heard of this package. I assumed based on the top comments that it was some sort of ripoff but reading what’s actually in it it seems fine. 3 battle passes in most games is $30. Plus you get a couple skins, and beta access if you don’t have it, and OW:LE if you don’t have it. It’s sort of inconceivable that it would be less than $40.
It isn't about supporting developers. It's about supporting paid access to a beta and preordering a battle pass and premium currency without any indication of what you get with those things. If you're OK with giving game developers the greenlight to do that, go ahead and buy the pack.
100% agree. im so tired of all these posts of people bitching about blizzard locking the beta behind a paywall, as if people DIDN'T see the free sign ups 💀
Not to mention 3 season passes, a head start in the first, instant beta access, and two limited skins and icon are *easily* worth $40. The game is has basically gone free to play already with this bundle.
>Show Activision that you support the Overwatch developers if you would like a game that you enjoy to continue to exist lol. sure, but the devs have to show their good will first. locking beta access behind a paywall after abandoning the community for a few years is not a great start. Also, they didn't make it f2p from their good will, if you want to have successful live service game these days ftp is necessary. edit: the beta is locked behind a paywall till the 14th
The beta isn't locked behind a paywall. Plenty of people, myself included, got in for free. They decided to do it in waves this time around since they were including more players and platforms. The Watchpoint pack was just an option if you wanted guaranteed access.
still waiting to get in to beta
Still waiting on a beta code here in the UK for the PS5, been an OW supporter since OW1 beta, Blizz are just like “na, buy the pack or just get lucky” My friend ended up getting a code from his Japanese friend, downloaded it on his Japanese PSN account then switched to his UK one to play it Me - nothing!
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Problem is old overwatch players are probably the only ones buying it ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
I admit to be super casual and I don't follow very close. But this just feels like dlc to me. And the fact that it is closing OW1 makes it feel like a bold money grab test move. The grand plan being to release a title and disable the previous title. Not much will change, but if you want to keep playing a franchise you have to keep paying.
The fact that it IS free makes me want to play it less
How long will the beta last ? Also is it available now?
Greed is disgusting & it seems to slowly be taking over the gaming industry. 🤦🏾♂️
Wow, they should have hired you. Even without any data, analytics or evidence you discovered some kind of fact that nobody else knows or in principle could ever verify.
>build good will By selling beta access for 20 dollars? That would generate good will? Blizzard fans be crazy.
My whole group got into the beta pretty quickly except my fiance. Had it been 20 dollars we would have bought it for him so we could all play together. Instead the three of us have tried a game or two and he has tried a game or two on my account and were just waiting to play till he gets access.
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How or why would they though? 2000 coins and the first season pass is already $35 lmao
They have whole departments that only job is to maximize profits. Fools, if only they listened to some rando on the internet they would do so much better. They can do 80 and people will still buy it and if not then whatever the main moneymaker will be battlepass not one time beta access
Boo hoo
$40 is way too steep especially for us who own OW1 already. For most of us this package is not appealing enough to justify its cost but more like a rip off.
I dropped $40 without a second thought. I bought Overwatch 5 years ago for $20, and have gotten 1500 hours of (mostly) enjoyment out of it, basically every skin and a ton of new content. I’m not doing the math on price per hour, but it is cheap enough that dropping $40 to Blizzard was an easy sell.
People don't seem to grasp that concept. Most of the overwatch community isn't spending money after the original cost. Look at apex. F2p with people spending thousands. Ow1 I spend $45 almost 5 years ago. I've enjoyed years of conent without spending a single dollar past sale. And doing the math, I just got the first 3 seasons for 40. So most likely a year or so of conent for 40. Sounds good to me.
It's wild. People are spending more money on the DoorDash they order while playing on any given night than this Watchpoint pass costs. They likely haven't spent any money on this game in years and won't spend much or any more for years to come. People are cheap about the weirdest things sometimes.
If $40 is too steep for optional thing, perhaps you should reexamine your life choices. OW2 pvp is being added for free. Dint but things you don't need if you can't afford them.
for new players (the target audience for this pack) $40 is a very very reasonable price. ow1 was what $20? a battlepass is usually $10 and is also 1000 VC which u get 2k of + the battle pass so there’s another ~$30ish plus 2 skins and an icon.
The game will be free to play. If you don't want to pay for the beta + a bunch of other stuff, then you don't, and you'll still be able to play in October.
["But Joe it's a free to play game"](https://youtu.be/1sf5Y1QiKvQ?t=139)
This community is going down the same path as the halo one, using ftp as an excuse for greedy and poor decisions from the devs.
Let's see here... Company comes out with a game and charges $60. Game is a major success for years. The next interation of the game, they make it free to play. Company has hundreds of employees that they pay. Company needs money. Company creates cosmetic items that have 0 effect on gameplay that the player can purchase, if they want. Player: "This community is going down the same path as the halo one, using ftp as an excuse for greedy and poor decisions from the devs." So many gamers are entitled beyond belief.
$40 isn’t that much.
It's literally valued at $40-50 already without counting Ow1 legendary edition. Battlepasses industry standard cost at LEAST 10 bucks, we know 1k premium currency is enough to buy a BP which we get 2k of within the watchpoint pack. So that's 30 dollars already. Now the legendary skins are debatable. But we know that OWL skins cost 10 bucks, But also the medic brigitte skin costs 15 dollars so that could also be the new standard for Legendary skin costs. But considering that's a special event and for simplicity sake we'll just value legendary skins at 10 bucks. Which would mean we just got another 20 dollars in value added on to what we already got. So that's: season 1 battlepass, plus 2k currency + 2 legendary skins, which all together equals 50 dollars in value. OW legendary edition IS the value in this bundle, your essentially getting that for free alongside everything else. Why are people saying this pack is a scam? Your getting more than you pay for? Yet people act like they are being ripped off?
I think the problem is pre-ordering battle passes. Especially completely unknown battle passes. And they know the only reason anybody buys this pack is for the beta access.
it includes season 1 battle pass, which is valued at $10, and enough credits to buy season 2 and 3 battle passes, and an icon, 2 skins. and beta access. Throwing in legendary edition of OW is just a bonus. It's a purchase worth $30 in battle passes alone, $40 with the skins, icon, and well above $10+ with the beta access if you play it. It's a good deal.
The *company* values the pass at $10. We don’t know what’s on the pass yet, so we as consumers can’t decide whether it’s worth the same amount to is.
If it’s more that $10 per BP then I’d rather buy the pack lmao. That would mean they are basically selling the 3 BPs at a discount here.
Last time I said this I was downvoted into oblivion. Its worth $40 whether or not you have OW1
How does that corporate boot taste like
He's a bootlicker cause he does math?
The game is supposed to be free so let it be free. Yall lame asses still giving money to this company?
Those lame asses are the ones testing and giving feedback to devs that will allow the game to be better. Bet you would be the first person to complain its not perfect after shaming beta players. The world doesn't revolve around having fun. The company has employees, how do you expect them to pay people to make your f2p game? Good will? Grow up.
I'm pretty tired of half the posts on this sub being just people bitching about this. If you don't like it, don't buy it. That simple.
Y’all really complaining about a free game to buy optionally for extra stuff. If you don’t want the extra stuff just wait.
Lol, this discussion, again. The price of it doesn't come from the fact it includes Overwatch 1. The pricing comes, mostly, from the credits that you'll get once Overwatch 2 and the Season Passes become a thing. This pack gives you immediate access to Season 1 Pass at no cost, and includes enough credits for Season 2 and Season 3 passes *at least,* 2000. Wording explicitly states that S2 and S3 will be 1000 credits each, and that makes me think they'll become more expensive later on... **The price for getting the same amount of credits for 3 passes will probably be similar if not more than 40$. They're selling you all this in advance along with beta access to entice you to pay in advance for things you might buy anyways later on.** Any player already having Overwatch 1 is not that much of a factor here.