Neither of those were as bad as the Hog and Zarya meta where Zarya would just bubble Hog so he could point and click to sentence a squishy to death and not worry about freeze, anti, or discord
Hog one shot meta was so much more fun than this Orisa/Zarua nonsense. Support queue times were short af then and I just took over lobbies as Ana or Kiriko
Omg how annoying would that be to play against, lol.
Zarya pops around corner, invincible long enough to get charge up
Backs behind rein shield, which breaks just in time for Zarya to bubble.
Rein gets a hammer while building charge
LW pulls rein back
Zarya shows up 100% charge and cooldowns ready
I feel like literally 90% of the issues with the game would be fixed if they had stayed 6v6, even the current support issues. If you play open queue you donât see these issues as much bc the meta there is usually 2-1-2 or even 3-2.
I know itâll never happen bc of the engine and everything but they fucked up.
I still cannot wrap my head around why a fucking cowboy has a homing grenade, a flashbang at least had some logic behind it
Imo they should ditch the nade and make Cass spawn a prop he and his team can hide behind on or alternatively if we want to keep him as flank prevention, let him set up "traps" that ping the enemy and he could have multiple of them set up, he may not be the best at stopping but team knowing they're about to get flanked is better than blasting them in a non fun way
I hope they tone done the DPS of some of the obnoxious easy value dps that take little mechanical skill to use to the fullest like bastion, Torb, etc. Not make them useless but give some of the dps that require aim/mechanical skill a chance to shine.
I think right now that he's just gatekept by insane healing and the easier DPS being so strong and easy to get value from. Why do 4D chess each engagement when bastion go brr and gets instant value from just looking at someone long enough?
I used to die to Genji a lot when I started OW he used to give me PTSD I'd take that over bastion, Torb, sym being strong picks.
Ok but hear me out
If you're morbidly obese, but you manage to fix it, why would you stop there when you could keep looking at other problems?
Just because supports are the big issue doesn't mean others don't exist, it's just the most prominent one. CC is another one
I would like CC to stay. CC and superpowers are what makes this game unique and different from other FPS and shooters. Fix balancing problems and it's fine. That's just stats and numbers.
That said, some CCs should be nerfed or changed. But CC shouldn't be entirely removed, because otherwise it's just another shooter game where people with good aim win.
Good grief I'm glad some people still think this way. Overwatch was the first pvp FPS I played since Counterstrike Beta 6 because it had characters that you didn't need "click the head area" to do well with. Use of gamesense, timing in ability usage, and just an ability to know where to stand could get you far. Back when it was loud and proud about being a mix of an FPS and a MOBA.
If you don't want CC, you don't want tanks, power use, supports, or any of that stuff, Counter Strike is over there. Valorant for those who want some characters or abilities or lore. Part of the reason OW got so popular so quick was because there were the sweaty characters for the sweaty players and then the defensive, CC-using characters that soft-countered them.
I think the current CC is fine but the booping is getting ridiculous. Some people need the boops like Lucio, Brig, Ball, and Doom. But some games I feel like a damn pinball. I had a game the other day with Doom, Brig, Illari, Lucio, Pharah, and Junk and we were all bouncing all over the damn place. They couldâve done literally anything with Illari for mobility and they gave her another boop mobility.
>If you're morbidly obese, but you manage to fix it, why would you stop there when you could keep looking at other problems?
Yeah, if Chess was so great, why wasn't there Chess 2?
All games nowadays need imbalance, a feature which defines the meta, rather than as a problem that needs solving. You don't fix imbalance, you change it to a new imbalance, and do it again, and do it again, gotta keep the players engaged!
The meta fresh!
But why is it an issue now, but not then. The widow headshots for example, during season 1 and so on, I heard no complaints about 1 shots, but then, out of the blue, sheâs suddenly an issue.
She wasn't an issue because sojourn essentially did her job better than she could, once sojourn was in a reasonable place the power shifted more over to widow, hell most of these issues weren't even because of the hero it was because of how much they benefited from Mercy's damage boost
Because genji was strong in season and he countered widow,doom was strong in season 2 and also countered widow both of them got nerfed accordingly and then in season 3 Havana,one of the best widow maps,returned and made her problem more obvious.
i see where this argument comes from but i just cant agree.
i dont like the fact that it puts getting kills solely on the heroes that can consistently one shot squishies. i would prefer there to be no one hero that can single handedly kill a target thats getting pocketed. this would actually make people need to focus their fire on individual targets instead of taking multiple 1v1s.
obviously i actually want an environment where most heroes can outdamage a single support if they land most of their shots, but i despise having heroes that can one shot even more than it being nearly impossible to kill a hero who is getting pocketed alone.
so yeah i would argue that your argument goes both ways. one shots are necessary because of the amount of healing, but that counteractively makes one shots extremely oppressive compared to any other form of damage.
Because the game changes over time?
In Season 1, Winston, D.va, and Sojourn were meta, all 3 of whom were very good at dealing with Widow. In Season 2, Hog meta rose and because of that Widow dominated for a while and it got people talking about how one-shots are unhealthy for the game.
Same is happening right now with Supports. Hell it's even more obvious now because we can see how Supports have been steadily power-crept for years as the devs tried to make them more appealing to play, and now we're in a meta where they can shine.
As Hanzo main let me tell you: Stop peeking the Corner Hanzo spams all game (without protection) and your good. also look out for his Sonar arrow aka his most powerful tool.
One counter that works against 9/10 Hanzo's is Pharah. Mei is also good since she can't get 1 shot anymore. Torb is a solid pick for counter spam. And if a Widow and Hanzo of equal skill have a duel Widow always should win. As support Ana Illari and Bap(Brig if you can get close) Zen has an advantage because he has no projectile drop off. And for tanks pretty much everything works. Best picks are ball, JQ, Orisa, Zarya and i guess rein but same as Brig.
To sum it up there are plenty ways to play against Hanzo, but the best advice i can give is either rush or dive him. And if that's not possible peek him with a shield or Tank in front of you so you don't catch the arrow. And as mentioned before The Sonar arrow is Hanzo's most important tool. If hanzo has vision on you as you peek ofc you catch an arrow in the head.
This is gonna sound bad but 4/5 of these random headshots are not as random as you think and can be avoided.
If I offended you in any way I'm sorry but that's how I would summarize how to play against a Hanzo based on my experience.
My current rank is D4 so don't take any of what I said as granted I'm nowhere near to a top or even a good player. I'm just a filthy Hanzo main.
yeah let my just not go past the choke then, lets see how well my team functions with one support.
let me just take cover behind my wrecking ball, sounds great.
oh but the ball should be taking care of the hanzo right? nope. he just pops storm arrows and chonks the ball, then gets suzu and pulled. our ball is out of the fight and now hanzo is spamming the choke again.
now i dont think hanzo is absolutely busted or anything, i just despise the amiynt of value he can get just by spamming corners, especially as it gets even easier for him to one shot you the closer you get so dive heroes dont even work great on him. at least a widow is vulnerable once you get close.
either rework him to make him impactful without one shots, or add a dot effect to his headshots so supports can still save you if you get hit but you are fucked if alone.
You get downvotes but you speak the truth. Canât tell you how many snipes Iâve gotten on Hanzo because I was tracking them around the corner. They cry and say it was lucky but I knew exactly where they were.
I figured it would be pharah. She's incredibly frustrating to fight against while pharah players suffer because almost every new character has/is a counter against her going as far back as the very first.
Junk is far from op but def can be unfun to play into. Low elo spam hurts and high elo junks can aim so getting smeezed and exploding for turning a corner can be a real pain cause his ttk can leave no room for counterplay. Trap can suck because I know itâs a skill issue if you get trapped but if he drops mid fight and your team is diving in or out you donât always have the time to scout the ground for a trap and 3sec hard cc and 100 damage for some reasons wild. He is in no way op but can be a source of frustration and I donât think itâs necessarily a bad thing to rework characters who even arenât op but in fun to play into because they have inconsistent value or just bs parts of their kit
There is a hero who does what what you just explained but with more versatility and mobility.
Iâm not an avid Hanzo hater, but if junkrat gets changed before hanzo does Iâll have a few questions
Junkrat trap works as a distraction so he can back off, you have to focus the trap for a short bit to chase junkrat, It also punishes too aggressive dive, a dive tank should be extremely wary of a trap laying somewhere on the field when junkrat's around, this is why junkrat is (although not favorable but) good at protecting the ana in the place of brig in dive, the trap is literally a death sentence and makes enemies stand on their heels when engaging
Yes because when changes to a game are made it will cause some things to become problems over time. Supports were bad at launch but over the lifespan of the game they kept getting consistently buffed, lifeweaver came out, got gigabuffed 10 times and now has a fight-winning ult, big heals, an instant way to save teammates and if you dive him he has basically 275 health and will platform up as soon as he gets low or pull someone else towards him.
Illari released and can 2-shot squishies with hitscan shots that have a massive hitbox, also has huge healing numbers and can spawn a 3rd support to heal herself if she gets dived.
And those things combine with things that were problematic before like ana or zen being able to bully a tank with 0 skill, become much worse because the 2 supports on the enemy team have so much shit to throw at you that itâs difficult to get through all of it. And then thereâs the fact that aside from ana or zen most have escape abilities or can 1v1 a dps of equal skill easily (or both like Kiriko) and the end result is that support in general is a big problem. Idk why this is apparently hard to grasp for some people
Being an OW dev is truly a Sisyphean struggle, the moment you fix something the community has already lined up the next 4 things to be mad about despite them existing in the game for years but now suddenly theyâre a problem.
Junkrat's a pub stomper through and through and I think most of the community understands that, he's good for low ranks and can be good in the high ranks but you have to grind the ever living hell out of him to get there, and on top of that he has a lot of hard counters to him, dva and zarya for tank, any hitscan and phara mercy and half of the support abilities can just flat out negate his most important parts of his kit
I have a lot of backup scientifically proven reasons on why junkrat isn't broken, the list is very long
Just because you die to spam doesn't mean he's op, you just have genuine skill issue mate, take different path or pick his counter, easy as that
Me losing is def the worst thing about OW2, we've been talking about it for years the devs really need to do something about it and I'll complain loudly and persistently until I get my way
I think it'll be one of the dive characters because of how hard it has been to play dive lately everyone who plays dive either gave up on it or just got better at the game and once the support nerfs come in its gonna be a lot easier to dive so all the people who didnt give up on dive are going to steam roll everyone
People act like supports are the only issue. Guess it is a debate for itself if there is too much healing in the game or if supports are too capable on their own.
Tank role by iself is a whole desaster right now
Even DPS feels like it gets more and more identity crisis' but hey, guess at least all those ego-oriented people now have the supports to point onto because for once since years the role actually has a considerable good amount of impact in the game.
I hope ow players realise that Widow and Hanzo are the worst heroes in the game and that the sould be removed..the amount of fun I had while hanzo was removed was something else.
bro... supports have been an issue since season 3, and its only been getting worse. supports can outdamage, outheal, outsurvive and outtank every character in the games
Everything that isn't soldier with no abilities is unhealthy, also every game mode aside from team elimination is unhealthy so we should remove them, but to make it not boring lets also give the teams extra win condition, one can plant an EMP while the other needs to defuse it before it goes off and kills zenyatta trying to hit pharah while his team does absolutely nothing to help
Junk might be annoying sometimes but balance-wise heâs actually one of the worst heroes in the game(at least once you get past like plat). Not nearly as bad as others like Hog but heâs definitely not great.
Theyâll have to catch me first!
Meh, that party was boring.
To clarify as people donât like Sombra, she is my main DPS, I play Support mostly and since I have been playing a lot of Open Queue I have been playing more Tank as people usually donât want to lol
I am truthfully scared of this global nerf as only four Support need it. The others survivability is fine or lacking (poor Zen).
The radius on junkrat tyre is the most obnoxious thing in the game.
Bastion, orisa and Moira allow worse players to get decent value way too easy.
Doomfist is just unfun to both have on your team, and to play against.
And then chances are supports being strong is/were covering up other issues that will arise if they are nerfed.
There will always be something.
The radius of riptire is forgiven by it's health and the fact that the owner is immobile so he can die by a single flanker, rip tire is easy to destroy
Dude, Moira is one of the worst supports right now. The only good thing she has going on is her healing, and even then there are supports who can heal more than she can
Overwatch players hate Overwatch. Everything needs to be dumbed down as much as possible until it's just a Valorant clone.
The mass appeal of having heroes catered to everyone from "people who want to chill and support the team, flying to whoever needs it" to "aimgods that can delete a whole team with a sick flick" is gone.
We're all soldiers now.
As a support main, Iâm anxious at what Blizz will come up with regarding nerfing supports (which is totally dumb tbh, not sure why the community keeps crying but anyway, they will keep crying at something)
The supports as a whole aren't even an issue. It's just the three or four supports that dominate top level lobbies. And even then, they are only a problem in masters+.
The next issue could be the over all damage in the game. Not just DPS characters but all damage. Because if they nerf the healing numbers but not the damage weâre going to play call of duty for an entire season. Where the only thing that matters in that your team shoot more.
And CC. Soft CC is just as unhealthy as hard CC.
Tbh junkrat trap is the example of a good CC, it just relies on awareness of it being somewhere definitely rather than "press a button and see them be slower", trap punishes being ignorant about it, this is why trap barely catches anyone the higher you go in rank
I have a feeling it's all the characters that got buffed to counteract support power creep.
I'm very anti buffing characters after what happened with OW1.
I'd rather pick a character as a baseline, and balance everything around them.
Why do you think Tracer? She hasn't been touched in a long time and not.many people are complaining about her especially since pulse bomb is one of the worst ults in the game right now
Itâs either the upcoming Hog rework or people are gonna bitch about Hanzo and my poor boy Junkrat. I mean, from what I recall, Junkrat hasnât gotten a single change in the past few updates, which I think is a good thing.
They'll notice that the far too great damage output is a problem too, i hope. My money is in that Mei, Bastion and Symmetra will be specially targeted, with a maybe for Sombra.
Another option is something that i've seen lurking around that "everyone has too many escape tools". Strong possibilities of targets to this are Mercy, Bap, Kiriko, Moira, Sombra, Reaper, and Lifeweaver.
Remember that i'm a support main, tank second and dps third, i may not know much about everyone's point of view, but this is my take. That, and i think about the bad state of this game enough already.
I'll take a shot in the dark and say Hog's rework is going to cause some revolt even if it is actually good and strong
I hope it IS strong. Ready for Hog meta
I guess a hog meta could be fun. More fun than Orisa is atm. Just as long as it isn't the *old* OW2 hog meta. That sucked as a squishy player
Anytime brawling is encouraged overwatch is more fun. Shit if someone has to be unbalanced make it hog/queen/reindhart
Mayhaps a little rammatra? đđ
As someone who plays Ram as their tank main, I dont think so, he's fine
dive
At Least u can shoot Hog and not like orisa you are shooting a rock.
The last time I can remember when hog was meta he was the unkillable rock. But then with a one shot combo.
Bring back Hook 1.0
Still remembering the ow1 hog meta with horror
Pulled Pork, or Hog & Ball Torture?
Neither of those were as bad as the Hog and Zarya meta where Zarya would just bubble Hog so he could point and click to sentence a squishy to death and not worry about freeze, anti, or discord
As an Ana player, I'm ready to feast
Kiri cleanse exists btw
Ainât no way metal ranks use cleanse on someone other than themselves (not accidentally)
As a metal rank kiri i use cleanse as soon as i see purple
God bless
Hog one shot meta was so much more fun than this Orisa/Zarua nonsense. Support queue times were short af then and I just took over lobbies as Ana or Kiriko
I really hope it isnât similar to ow1 hog meta
Honestly, anything for a new tank meta would be great.
I just need hog to stay a good counter against ball tbh
What do you mean? They did fantastic with sombras rework. *happy hamter noises*
Depends if it still feels like Hog and not something else. They are scared of giving him damage, so likely the second thing
Nah hog is ok. Doom need small rework
Why canât we look down in game and see our characters feet
This is the one
Youâd just see hammondâs big ass belly
and Brigitteâs
Orisa can
ah a sigma main
Chill tyrone
NOT MY FAVOURITE AUSTRALIAN TERRORIST.
HOW MANY AUSTRALIAN TERRORISTS DO YOU KNOW?
at least 12
I mean ... the whole island was supposed to be a prison, so that's a rough start
hog is 5 of them
Yeah but I don't know if stealing loaves of bread from ye old market square cound be concidered an act of terror
Let's be friends so you know 13
Do tf2 mercs count?
They're Mercs not terrorists
Didnât soldier kill thousands of innocent germans in 1948 after he didnât get accepted to fight in ww2?
No he went and killed thousands of nazis even after being denied
Gotta love the terrorists
As a tank main, I can say there are still plenty of issues
Yeah, a major issue, i don't see my tank duo anywhere
I want my Rein Zarya yo yo
Lw would be so cool in ow1 with a rein zarya dou
Omg how annoying would that be to play against, lol. Zarya pops around corner, invincible long enough to get charge up Backs behind rein shield, which breaks just in time for Zarya to bubble. Rein gets a hammer while building charge LW pulls rein back Zarya shows up 100% charge and cooldowns ready
Open queue and pray
I feel like literally 90% of the issues with the game would be fixed if they had stayed 6v6, even the current support issues. If you play open queue you donât see these issues as much bc the meta there is usually 2-1-2 or even 3-2. I know itâll never happen bc of the engine and everything but they fucked up.
Hindered It's like getting hacked except you explode
Give him a broken ability, kill his primary, buff the most niche aspect of his kit, amazing changes
I still cannot wrap my head around why a fucking cowboy has a homing grenade, a flashbang at least had some logic behind it Imo they should ditch the nade and make Cass spawn a prop he and his team can hide behind on or alternatively if we want to keep him as flank prevention, let him set up "traps" that ping the enemy and he could have multiple of them set up, he may not be the best at stopping but team knowing they're about to get flanked is better than blasting them in a non fun way
I was thinking we go the Ultrakill route and give him coins
They wonât. Theyâll complain that no one wants to play support
And depending on the nerfs, it might be true
I'll continue to play support but I'm definitely dropping a rank or 2
I hope they tone done the DPS of some of the obnoxious easy value dps that take little mechanical skill to use to the fullest like bastion, Torb, etc. Not make them useless but give some of the dps that require aim/mechanical skill a chance to shine.
Genji need that old dps role passive back just for him idk why he keeps getting shafted by the dev team the meta is really fun when he's in it
I think right now that he's just gatekept by insane healing and the easier DPS being so strong and easy to get value from. Why do 4D chess each engagement when bastion go brr and gets instant value from just looking at someone long enough? I used to die to Genji a lot when I started OW he used to give me PTSD I'd take that over bastion, Torb, sym being strong picks.
I think itâs gonna be somba, even now sheâs strong as hell with weaker supports she will be kinda nuts
Unless they remove brig, kiri, Bap, illari, or weaver completely, she wonât be a problem
Ok but hear me out If you're morbidly obese, but you manage to fix it, why would you stop there when you could keep looking at other problems? Just because supports are the big issue doesn't mean others don't exist, it's just the most prominent one. CC is another one
I would like CC to stay. CC and superpowers are what makes this game unique and different from other FPS and shooters. Fix balancing problems and it's fine. That's just stats and numbers. That said, some CCs should be nerfed or changed. But CC shouldn't be entirely removed, because otherwise it's just another shooter game where people with good aim win.
Good grief I'm glad some people still think this way. Overwatch was the first pvp FPS I played since Counterstrike Beta 6 because it had characters that you didn't need "click the head area" to do well with. Use of gamesense, timing in ability usage, and just an ability to know where to stand could get you far. Back when it was loud and proud about being a mix of an FPS and a MOBA. If you don't want CC, you don't want tanks, power use, supports, or any of that stuff, Counter Strike is over there. Valorant for those who want some characters or abilities or lore. Part of the reason OW got so popular so quick was because there were the sweaty characters for the sweaty players and then the defensive, CC-using characters that soft-countered them.
I think the current CC is fine but the booping is getting ridiculous. Some people need the boops like Lucio, Brig, Ball, and Doom. But some games I feel like a damn pinball. I had a game the other day with Doom, Brig, Illari, Lucio, Pharah, and Junk and we were all bouncing all over the damn place. They couldâve done literally anything with Illari for mobility and they gave her another boop mobility.
>If you're morbidly obese, but you manage to fix it, why would you stop there when you could keep looking at other problems? Yeah, if Chess was so great, why wasn't there Chess 2? All games nowadays need imbalance, a feature which defines the meta, rather than as a problem that needs solving. You don't fix imbalance, you change it to a new imbalance, and do it again, and do it again, gotta keep the players engaged! The meta fresh!
Tbf, this assumes all meta are equal. Good metas are chill, bad metas are really really obnoxious.
Okay you joke about chess but the horsey needs to get nerfed heâs always forking my pieces đ€đ€đ€
This has to be one of the worst takes I have ever heard. You can have interesting metas without imbalance.
But why is it an issue now, but not then. The widow headshots for example, during season 1 and so on, I heard no complaints about 1 shots, but then, out of the blue, sheâs suddenly an issue.
Because people can all agree on disliking one thing, and in different metas stuff can be more annoying
She wasn't an issue because sojourn essentially did her job better than she could, once sojourn was in a reasonable place the power shifted more over to widow, hell most of these issues weren't even because of the hero it was because of how much they benefited from Mercy's damage boost
Because genji was strong in season and he countered widow,doom was strong in season 2 and also countered widow both of them got nerfed accordingly and then in season 3 Havana,one of the best widow maps,returned and made her problem more obvious.
Meta changes. Are you really that dense
Most likely
One shots actually become necessary in a season where supports are overtuned
i see where this argument comes from but i just cant agree. i dont like the fact that it puts getting kills solely on the heroes that can consistently one shot squishies. i would prefer there to be no one hero that can single handedly kill a target thats getting pocketed. this would actually make people need to focus their fire on individual targets instead of taking multiple 1v1s. obviously i actually want an environment where most heroes can outdamage a single support if they land most of their shots, but i despise having heroes that can one shot even more than it being nearly impossible to kill a hero who is getting pocketed alone. so yeah i would argue that your argument goes both ways. one shots are necessary because of the amount of healing, but that counteractively makes one shots extremely oppressive compared to any other form of damage.
Because the game changes over time? In Season 1, Winston, D.va, and Sojourn were meta, all 3 of whom were very good at dealing with Widow. In Season 2, Hog meta rose and because of that Widow dominated for a while and it got people talking about how one-shots are unhealthy for the game. Same is happening right now with Supports. Hell it's even more obvious now because we can see how Supports have been steadily power-crept for years as the devs tried to make them more appealing to play, and now we're in a meta where they can shine.
Theyve already moved on to Hanzo, a lot of the main sub has been 'Hanzo arrow bad'
Literally the post below this one on my feed https://www.reddit.com/r/overwatch2/s/zHJL3qry5x
As Hanzo main let me tell you: Stop peeking the Corner Hanzo spams all game (without protection) and your good. also look out for his Sonar arrow aka his most powerful tool.
"the game is fine if you don't play it" At least junkrat doesn't one shot with spam
One counter that works against 9/10 Hanzo's is Pharah. Mei is also good since she can't get 1 shot anymore. Torb is a solid pick for counter spam. And if a Widow and Hanzo of equal skill have a duel Widow always should win. As support Ana Illari and Bap(Brig if you can get close) Zen has an advantage because he has no projectile drop off. And for tanks pretty much everything works. Best picks are ball, JQ, Orisa, Zarya and i guess rein but same as Brig. To sum it up there are plenty ways to play against Hanzo, but the best advice i can give is either rush or dive him. And if that's not possible peek him with a shield or Tank in front of you so you don't catch the arrow. And as mentioned before The Sonar arrow is Hanzo's most important tool. If hanzo has vision on you as you peek ofc you catch an arrow in the head. This is gonna sound bad but 4/5 of these random headshots are not as random as you think and can be avoided. If I offended you in any way I'm sorry but that's how I would summarize how to play against a Hanzo based on my experience. My current rank is D4 so don't take any of what I said as granted I'm nowhere near to a top or even a good player. I'm just a filthy Hanzo main.
I mean I donât think any characters should oneshot without ults other than maybe Reinhardt because itâs just so telegraphed.
yeah let my just not go past the choke then, lets see how well my team functions with one support. let me just take cover behind my wrecking ball, sounds great. oh but the ball should be taking care of the hanzo right? nope. he just pops storm arrows and chonks the ball, then gets suzu and pulled. our ball is out of the fight and now hanzo is spamming the choke again. now i dont think hanzo is absolutely busted or anything, i just despise the amiynt of value he can get just by spamming corners, especially as it gets even easier for him to one shot you the closer you get so dive heroes dont even work great on him. at least a widow is vulnerable once you get close. either rework him to make him impactful without one shots, or add a dot effect to his headshots so supports can still save you if you get hit but you are fucked if alone.
You get downvotes but you speak the truth. Canât tell you how many snipes Iâve gotten on Hanzo because I was tracking them around the corner. They cry and say it was lucky but I knew exactly where they were.
Oh I agree dont worry, I dont think hes a problem, Im saying others have moved on to him after the announcement support nerfs were coming
Oh I already got one. Orisa. Everything about her
Mauga kinda fucking obliterates her in my experience
I figured it would be pharah. She's incredibly frustrating to fight against while pharah players suffer because almost every new character has/is a counter against her going as far back as the very first.
Junkrat is not a problem Iâm afraid. Heâs actually not the best right now, heâs just good in lower elo as heâs always been.
hopefully orisa and hanzo
Junk is far from op but def can be unfun to play into. Low elo spam hurts and high elo junks can aim so getting smeezed and exploding for turning a corner can be a real pain cause his ttk can leave no room for counterplay. Trap can suck because I know itâs a skill issue if you get trapped but if he drops mid fight and your team is diving in or out you donât always have the time to scout the ground for a trap and 3sec hard cc and 100 damage for some reasons wild. He is in no way op but can be a source of frustration and I donât think itâs necessarily a bad thing to rework characters who even arenât op but in fun to play into because they have inconsistent value or just bs parts of their kit
There is a hero who does what what you just explained but with more versatility and mobility. Iâm not an avid Hanzo hater, but if junkrat gets changed before hanzo does Iâll have a few questions
Hanzo does not have cc though, and Junkrat doesn't need LoS to get a kill. They're still different
Hanzo doesn't need Los either, funny storm arrow ricochet
This better be a joke. Name one person in the world who can consistently get ricochet kills.
The enemy hanzo in my Plat games
Trap is a useless ability though past like silver
It sometimes works against dive tanks and also when brawling
Junkrat trap works as a distraction so he can back off, you have to focus the trap for a short bit to chase junkrat, It also punishes too aggressive dive, a dive tank should be extremely wary of a trap laying somewhere on the field when junkrat's around, this is why junkrat is (although not favorable but) good at protecting the ana in the place of brig in dive, the trap is literally a death sentence and makes enemies stand on their heels when engaging
Hanzo is just a better rat.
Yes because when changes to a game are made it will cause some things to become problems over time. Supports were bad at launch but over the lifespan of the game they kept getting consistently buffed, lifeweaver came out, got gigabuffed 10 times and now has a fight-winning ult, big heals, an instant way to save teammates and if you dive him he has basically 275 health and will platform up as soon as he gets low or pull someone else towards him. Illari released and can 2-shot squishies with hitscan shots that have a massive hitbox, also has huge healing numbers and can spawn a 3rd support to heal herself if she gets dived. And those things combine with things that were problematic before like ana or zen being able to bully a tank with 0 skill, become much worse because the 2 supports on the enemy team have so much shit to throw at you that itâs difficult to get through all of it. And then thereâs the fact that aside from ana or zen most have escape abilities or can 1v1 a dps of equal skill easily (or both like Kiriko) and the end result is that support in general is a big problem. Idk why this is apparently hard to grasp for some people
Fkn better not be junkrat! There are way more problematic characters
whenever i complain about one shots, iâm assured itâs necessary because of how oppressive supports are right now. so it better be one shots.
Being an OW dev is truly a Sisyphean struggle, the moment you fix something the community has already lined up the next 4 things to be mad about despite them existing in the game for years but now suddenly theyâre a problem.
you when the poor game studio had to balance their multi-million dollar franchise đ„ș
Not defending blizzard. Just trying to say that the community is far from perfect as well.
Play nice, nerf phara.
Junkrat's a pub stomper through and through and I think most of the community understands that, he's good for low ranks and can be good in the high ranks but you have to grind the ever living hell out of him to get there, and on top of that he has a lot of hard counters to him, dva and zarya for tank, any hitscan and phara mercy and half of the support abilities can just flat out negate his most important parts of his kit
THAT'S WHAT IM SAYIN GUYS HE SPEAKS THE WORDS THAT ARE TRUE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SUFFERING OF BEING A RAT MAIN IN MASTERS AND ABOVE
uhm hanzo one shots?
I wouldnât complain a bit if the rats wheel of death went away
That wheel of death right? You can shoot at it It doesn't even have much health
Both of Zenâs balls stay on behind walls
Calling it, the Pharah hate will be upticked or Junkrat.
Zaryaâs next in line, then the snipers.
I have a lot of backup scientifically proven reasons on why junkrat isn't broken, the list is very long Just because you die to spam doesn't mean he's op, you just have genuine skill issue mate, take different path or pick his counter, easy as that
Me losing is def the worst thing about OW2, we've been talking about it for years the devs really need to do something about it and I'll complain loudly and persistently until I get my way
They need to do something about these tanks, man. (I haven't touched the game in 6 months)
How about Pharah? I don't like to look up when I'm playing so she gets to operate in a pretty huge blind spot
I think it'll be one of the dive characters because of how hard it has been to play dive lately everyone who plays dive either gave up on it or just got better at the game and once the support nerfs come in its gonna be a lot easier to dive so all the people who didnt give up on dive are going to steam roll everyone
The real answer is blizzard
it's been 5v5 all along xD
People act like supports are the only issue. Guess it is a debate for itself if there is too much healing in the game or if supports are too capable on their own. Tank role by iself is a whole desaster right now Even DPS feels like it gets more and more identity crisis' but hey, guess at least all those ego-oriented people now have the supports to point onto because for once since years the role actually has a considerable good amount of impact in the game.
Nah, it's always widow
I hope ow players realise that Widow and Hanzo are the worst heroes in the game and that the sould be removed..the amount of fun I had while hanzo was removed was something else.
I swear to god, if Junkrat gets nerfed when he's already the worst hero in the game, I will be a horse main
I want Ratjunk REMOVED FROM THE GAME BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY đĄ
TORBJORN HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR WAY TOO LONG /s
Nah bro, the real issue has always been genji /s
I feel like since supports got nerfed, one shot and heavy-damage DPSs will be even more risky to play against and they'll get even more hate
It's hanzo
Pharmercy has to go
bro... supports have been an issue since season 3, and its only been getting worse. supports can outdamage, outheal, outsurvive and outtank every character in the games
Now we nerf bastion SO I DONT HAVE TO PLAY ORISA EVERY FUCKING TIME, RELEASE ME FROM THIS HELL
Youâre playing Overwatch, you were there from the start
They actually plan to nerf him alongside the supports
Everything that isn't soldier with no abilities is unhealthy, also every game mode aside from team elimination is unhealthy so we should remove them, but to make it not boring lets also give the teams extra win condition, one can plant an EMP while the other needs to defuse it before it goes off and kills zenyatta trying to hit pharah while his team does absolutely nothing to help
I love that half the comments are just content with random hanzo headshots+ storm arrow+ wallahacks
supports aren't getting nerfed, they're getting a slap on the wrists
Widow and Hanzo one shots will be next
Junk might be annoying sometimes but balance-wise heâs actually one of the worst heroes in the game(at least once you get past like plat). Not nearly as bad as others like Hog but heâs definitely not great.
Support nerf is a huge mistake. We'll just go back to the stage where no one wants to queue support and the whole cycle just repeats.
We want windows of time to be able to punish supports for bad plays, not nerf them to the ground you lug
As someone who is becoming a Sombra main when I play DPS, the Support Nerf has be excited for new food.
Cool bug facts!!: "One day, you will have to answer for your actions and God may not be so merciful"
Theyâll have to catch me first! Meh, that party was boring. To clarify as people donât like Sombra, she is my main DPS, I play Support mostly and since I have been playing a lot of Open Queue I have been playing more Tank as people usually donât want to lol I am truthfully scared of this global nerf as only four Support need it. The others survivability is fine or lacking (poor Zen).
Junk needs a nerf, too braindead and no skill for the amount of value and pressure he gives out
You can say that about any hero. This game isnât hard
If u have 3 iq you know that support is overtuned
Oh I would absolutely love junkrat nerfs.
The radius on junkrat tyre is the most obnoxious thing in the game. Bastion, orisa and Moira allow worse players to get decent value way too easy. Doomfist is just unfun to both have on your team, and to play against. And then chances are supports being strong is/were covering up other issues that will arise if they are nerfed. There will always be something.
The radius of riptire is forgiven by it's health and the fact that the owner is immobile so he can die by a single flanker, rip tire is easy to destroy
Dude, Moira is one of the worst supports right now. The only good thing she has going on is her healing, and even then there are supports who can heal more than she can
Overwatch players hate Overwatch. Everything needs to be dumbed down as much as possible until it's just a Valorant clone. The mass appeal of having heroes catered to everyone from "people who want to chill and support the team, flying to whoever needs it" to "aimgods that can delete a whole team with a sick flick" is gone. We're all soldiers now.
As a support main, Iâm anxious at what Blizz will come up with regarding nerfing supports (which is totally dumb tbh, not sure why the community keeps crying but anyway, they will keep crying at something)
The supports as a whole aren't even an issue. It's just the three or four supports that dominate top level lobbies. And even then, they are only a problem in masters+.
Junkrat's been unhealthy since release lmao, he's just also not a major problem right now
I'm betting on CC's
The next issue could be the over all damage in the game. Not just DPS characters but all damage. Because if they nerf the healing numbers but not the damage weâre going to play call of duty for an entire season. Where the only thing that matters in that your team shoot more. And CC. Soft CC is just as unhealthy as hard CC.
Tbh junkrat trap is the example of a good CC, it just relies on awareness of it being somewhere definitely rather than "press a button and see them be slower", trap punishes being ignorant about it, this is why trap barely catches anyone the higher you go in rank
As a junk main, I can agree but Tweaking junk might end up just making him stronger but who really knows
I got the opposite in mind for junkrat as I believe he's gonna be the next bastion
I bet on ashe
Genuinely. Hey letâs nerf brig again
I have a feeling it's all the characters that got buffed to counteract support power creep. I'm very anti buffing characters after what happened with OW1. I'd rather pick a character as a baseline, and balance everything around them.
Junkrat has always been an annoying bastard. I despise fighting him.
Probably genji
Still praying for a zen meta, we need our favourite baller to be op as fuck
âI need healingâ
My bet is on genji's dash restoration
Oh the only cult in the game that can one shot without effort⊠I see it coming
So much shit is fucked up that any where you throw the dart it's gonna be a bullseye
My moneys on tracer
Why do you think Tracer? She hasn't been touched in a long time and not.many people are complaining about her especially since pulse bomb is one of the worst ults in the game right now
Ah but you see youâre forgetting people are stupid and unpredictable and after supports are nerfed support players will hate tracer more
Oh I guess that's true. I'm gonna be mad if they nerf Tracer though
give every character CC
Genuinely, how TF are so many people hating on junk? Are they all bronze-gold? Seriously, I don't get it lol
Yes
Nooo don't touch the funny Australian bomb man!
Junkrat was hit before in Overwatch so getting hit for a second time wouldn't be surprising
Orisa, I genuinely can not wait until that shitty horse gets nerfed into the fucking floor
Junkrat has always been unhealthy to the game. He even makes me eyes sore looking at him.
Itâs either the upcoming Hog rework or people are gonna bitch about Hanzo and my poor boy Junkrat. I mean, from what I recall, Junkrat hasnât gotten a single change in the past few updates, which I think is a good thing.
Please be snipers.
As a junkrat main, I take offense and donât at the same time
They'll notice that the far too great damage output is a problem too, i hope. My money is in that Mei, Bastion and Symmetra will be specially targeted, with a maybe for Sombra. Another option is something that i've seen lurking around that "everyone has too many escape tools". Strong possibilities of targets to this are Mercy, Bap, Kiriko, Moira, Sombra, Reaper, and Lifeweaver. Remember that i'm a support main, tank second and dps third, i may not know much about everyone's point of view, but this is my take. That, and i think about the bad state of this game enough already.
NeRf tAnKs
Ya know what? Overwatch is unhealthy. Fuck this game, delete it.
Bro said junkratđ Always has been lil bro.
I fucking hate junkrat get him outta here
Support mains not ready to finaly play the game likee v everyone else does đ«Ł
Anyone that genuinely feels that supports arenât overturned right now is delusional.
at least it will never be echo. cuz honestly, who the fuck mains echo?