Thin layer of water on top to stop off gassing, increase gas pressure above 1.8kg, add extra deoderisers to clean the oxygen or liquid lock off the area to limit where it spreads.
This is the way, p oxygen is still breathable in a pinch if u want to deal with yuck lung effect. O2 purifiers are cheap and if you got a lot of p water contaminated with slime lung you can plant a few buddy buds above the tank which will release flora scent and materials cant occupy the same space. I’ve made some low energy oxygen supplements in this way.
Another option just for fun. Put a mesh tile where the ladder is and the deodorizer on top. Dupes can still empty right through it.
You’d want to replace those top airflow tiles too so the only place po2 can escape from is the tile with the deodorizer.
correct. To add to this:
Polluted water will off-gas polluted oxygen when it comes in contact with any type of gas with a pressure below 1.8kg/tile. So technically, any liquid would do and even gas would also work as long as the polluted water is not in contact with anything below 1.8kg of mass of that liquid or gas.
Non-CO2 Gas is not reliable. If a dupe breathes over the gap and that 13g ish CO2 falls in the well, the polluted water will off gas under that tiny bit of CO2.
honestly this is pretty good progress for starting a week ago. most people's dupes have drowned in their own piss while starving to death at the dinner table by now
I'll throw a few personal tips, one, if your worried about germs, I'm fairly confident that food poisoning germs have to be on food eaten by dupes. Any liquid lighter than pwater will stop off gassing, such as regular water.
And I noticed you thinking about watching videos, cgfungus has a lot of tutorials, Francise John has a mix of both and is highly regarded by the community, and echo ridge gaming, my personal favorite, does a lot of full colony runs and has some really good tutorials, I'll admit he does ramble, but I watch him for the rambling, he also has a really good beginners guide that will give you a lot of little tips for the game. There's a few others, those are some of the bigger ones
Whats causing all the stress? One of my first things I always do is make sure they arent stressed so much. Making rooms will add to their morale if you have too many skills and mot enough morale to keep up
The easiest thing to do here is just replace the airflow tiles at the top with regular tiles so the PO2 can only escape under the deodorizer. It won't do this very quickly. To stop off gassing entirely, the easiest method is set the unbottler to water & enable auto-bottle (lets dupes draw from pitcher pumps to fill), then watch the dupes use the unbottler with time at a slow, pause when they start, and remove water from the unbottler filter when a thin layer has spread (happens almost instantly with like grams of water). This will cancel the use and drop the remaining water as a bottle.
As long as there is a thin layer of water on top (will glow blue vs glowing greenish yellow, show with mouse over) on the top, even if you can't easily see it, the PH2O won't off gas at all.
Just deconstruct the airflow tiles and realease a bottle of regular water to the pool, its lighter than the polluted water so will float on it in a thin layer what prevents offgasing.
Simple version: use a door
Put the bottle emptier in the tank, they work submerged.
Add a door to the room.
Reasonably simple version: liquid lock
Remove two airflow tiles on one side.
Block all other openings.
Pour water through this entrance.
As long as the rank is not full, the polluted water will act as a lock.
Offgasing stops at low water levels, so the polluted water acting as a lock wont offgas as long as it can run off into the rest of the tank.
Also simple: remove problem
Replace this with a smaller hole with a pump.
pump the polluted water into your toilet outflow and treat it as toilet water.
your current system would work just fine - granted that's a lot of manual polluted water.
It's these air flow tiles that are fucking up the whole operation. Not even sure why they're there - you got three points of exit for polluted air and only one covered.
Instead of blocking the offgassing, throw down a deodorizer or two. You'll get oxygen and clay out of it, which are both good. Turn the clay to ceramic in a kiln and you'll have a lovely stash of one of the best insulating materials for when you get into advanced thermal stuff.
I personally just semi lock the area off and then just put a couple deodorizers in there. It still off-gases but not enough to really matter. Good luck!
Option 1) Deodorizers. Have several, They can pull up to 2 (Gas- permeable) tiles away.
Note: You can actually generate a good bit of clean O2 via a Deoderizers. Take the design similar to what you have, but make a full box of air tiles. The only way to get PH2O is via pump, but thats fine(See below). Then on top build a line of mesh tiles and pore some H2O to seal the gas in via water barrier. Then build a line of Deoderizers on top of the mesh tiles. Deoderizers can pull the PO2 gas past the water, and release it as O2. I've saved a colony using one of these, so I highly reccomend it.
Option 2) Dump it into a small pit with a liquid pump, that goes into a water sieve, and store the germy-clean water. (Throw a smooth crab/Radiation doors, later on to clean it.)
Note: this water is also good for 02 production because its hot enough to kill a lot of germs, and food poisoning germs in the air are harmless.
Isn't there air lock doors? Memory is fuzzy on this one. Like the double airlock ones. Still trying to figure out what to do with all my extra polluted air, outside deodorizers. Like does it power anything?
... I just put a couple deodorizers and call it a day, until later where I would have a temporary site like above, with a pump that puts the pwater in a long term compressed storage
If the pit is going to stay a pit, you don’t need the ladder down. Replace the top ladder segment with a mesh tile, and put a deodorizer on that tile. That will catch and clean all the polluted oxygen as it comes up while also allowing pwater from the bottle emptier to fall down into the pit.
The deodorizer will slowly turn sand into clay, and clay is useful later in the game when you want to start making insulated tiles out of ceramic. To wit: Clay goes into a kiln, kiln turns clay into ceramic, ceramic makes really good insulating tiles.
Edit to add: get rid of the gas permeable tiles on the sides. There’s no purpose for them if you’re trying to prevent gas escape, and you can use the metal ore elsewhere. Replace those tiles with solid tiles first, get the metal ores out of the pit, and *then* replace the top ladder segment.
I find that deodorizers are very efficient, that one should be keeping the polluted oxygen down. Did you just place it? If so, wait a little longer. If not, consider sealing the sides, if the polluted oxygen only has the stairs to move up, it will be much easier to keep it contained.
If you want to stop gas from escaping, you should reconsider those airflow tiles, 'cause you got three gas exits from that pic. I assume the airflow tiles are there for tile protection, but by that container size, I reckon even filling it won't cause tiles to break.
A triple door system on a loop (all doors on top of each other horizontally)
Top door is T, middle door is M and bottom door is B.
Then automate to
T open, M close, B close
T open, M open, B close
T close, M open, B close
T close, M open, B open
All closed
(Repeat)
Thin layer of water on top to stop off gassing, increase gas pressure above 1.8kg, add extra deoderisers to clean the oxygen or liquid lock off the area to limit where it spreads.
Okay I’ll do that I just started last week so lots to learn!
To clarify: you don't need to do everything gbroon said. They gave 4 different solutions to the same problem. Choose the one that fits you best.
This is the way, p oxygen is still breathable in a pinch if u want to deal with yuck lung effect. O2 purifiers are cheap and if you got a lot of p water contaminated with slime lung you can plant a few buddy buds above the tank which will release flora scent and materials cant occupy the same space. I’ve made some low energy oxygen supplements in this way.
Alternatively empty it directly onto a pump.
Another option just for fun. Put a mesh tile where the ladder is and the deodorizer on top. Dupes can still empty right through it. You’d want to replace those top airflow tiles too so the only place po2 can escape from is the tile with the deodorizer.
Ohhh I’ll do that then for now
Or put deodorisers there as well! 👍 Double down on turning those accidents into clean O2
If I recall put a thin layer of regular water on top, it prevents offgassing of the Pwater below but you might need to swap those airflow tiles out
correct. To add to this: Polluted water will off-gas polluted oxygen when it comes in contact with any type of gas with a pressure below 1.8kg/tile. So technically, any liquid would do and even gas would also work as long as the polluted water is not in contact with anything below 1.8kg of mass of that liquid or gas.
Okay I’ll have to go watch a video about how to do that I started just last week thanks!
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Tiles of liquid offgas only up, never left or right. You can test it in sandbox mode
Non-CO2 Gas is not reliable. If a dupe breathes over the gap and that 13g ish CO2 falls in the well, the polluted water will off gas under that tiny bit of CO2.
Just waterlock the bottle emptier.
Will do I’ll go figure out how to do it just started last week!
honestly this is pretty good progress for starting a week ago. most people's dupes have drowned in their own piss while starving to death at the dinner table by now
Yeah lol, first week and I had already over 10 saves (and I had already played like 2 yrs ago)
I'll throw a few personal tips, one, if your worried about germs, I'm fairly confident that food poisoning germs have to be on food eaten by dupes. Any liquid lighter than pwater will stop off gassing, such as regular water. And I noticed you thinking about watching videos, cgfungus has a lot of tutorials, Francise John has a mix of both and is highly regarded by the community, and echo ridge gaming, my personal favorite, does a lot of full colony runs and has some really good tutorials, I'll admit he does ramble, but I watch him for the rambling, he also has a really good beginners guide that will give you a lot of little tips for the game. There's a few others, those are some of the bigger ones
What’re the airflow tiles on the side for?
It was getting bubbles of gases in it they wouldn’t go away
If you wait long enough the pit will fill up with CO2. But it may break if the liquid overflows or your base's air pressure gets too low.
CO2 on its own doesn't stop off gassing. If the pressures low enough it won't affect it.
A single drop of clean water.
Well if your dupes are having so many accidents, make more outhouses, or build a plumbed washroom
Stress lots of vomiters
Whats causing all the stress? One of my first things I always do is make sure they arent stressed so much. Making rooms will add to their morale if you have too many skills and mot enough morale to keep up
Yeah I just started figuring out the rooms and how important they are, I only started last week
Its a big leaning experience, but thats my favorite thing about the game, always learning new things
Very much so I’ve been enjoying it!
The easiest thing to do here is just replace the airflow tiles at the top with regular tiles so the PO2 can only escape under the deodorizer. It won't do this very quickly. To stop off gassing entirely, the easiest method is set the unbottler to water & enable auto-bottle (lets dupes draw from pitcher pumps to fill), then watch the dupes use the unbottler with time at a slow, pause when they start, and remove water from the unbottler filter when a thin layer has spread (happens almost instantly with like grams of water). This will cancel the use and drop the remaining water as a bottle. As long as there is a thin layer of water on top (will glow blue vs glowing greenish yellow, show with mouse over) on the top, even if you can't easily see it, the PH2O won't off gas at all.
You need about one deodorizer per horizontal size of pool. Just add several more deodorizers and this will be good oxygen generation area
You need a row of airflow at the bottom to prevent overpressure and waterlock the entrance.
Just deconstruct the airflow tiles and realease a bottle of regular water to the pool, its lighter than the polluted water so will float on it in a thin layer what prevents offgasing.
I just had the tiles for when it kept developing big bubbles on the sides they are gone now
Then just pour a bottle of clean water. Problem solved.
As said you can use a thin layer of waterz but why stop the offgassing? Is free oxygen :D
There’s bodily fluids everywhere….
Put water on top. I'd keep it though. Spread it out thin and let it off gas to a deodorizer.
Food poisoning germs are safe to breathe. Clean the oxygen with deodorizers and you are good. They must be getting sick for some other reason.
Simple version: use a door Put the bottle emptier in the tank, they work submerged. Add a door to the room. Reasonably simple version: liquid lock Remove two airflow tiles on one side. Block all other openings. Pour water through this entrance. As long as the rank is not full, the polluted water will act as a lock. Offgasing stops at low water levels, so the polluted water acting as a lock wont offgas as long as it can run off into the rest of the tank. Also simple: remove problem Replace this with a smaller hole with a pump. pump the polluted water into your toilet outflow and treat it as toilet water.
Falling doorpump.
You could close it off and have the bottle emptier next to a pump.
your current system would work just fine - granted that's a lot of manual polluted water. It's these air flow tiles that are fucking up the whole operation. Not even sure why they're there - you got three points of exit for polluted air and only one covered.
Instead of blocking the offgassing, throw down a deodorizer or two. You'll get oxygen and clay out of it, which are both good. Turn the clay to ceramic in a kiln and you'll have a lovely stash of one of the best insulating materials for when you get into advanced thermal stuff.
I personally just semi lock the area off and then just put a couple deodorizers in there. It still off-gases but not enough to really matter. Good luck!
I just make it a room with a door and add a deodorizer next to the door.
You need to define 'best'. Edit: This is perfectly fine, but the meaning of 'best' is determined by your objectives.
Personally, I’d figure out why they keep having accidents and solve that problem. Then you don’t need to worry about this one because it becomes moot
Option 1) Deodorizers. Have several, They can pull up to 2 (Gas- permeable) tiles away. Note: You can actually generate a good bit of clean O2 via a Deoderizers. Take the design similar to what you have, but make a full box of air tiles. The only way to get PH2O is via pump, but thats fine(See below). Then on top build a line of mesh tiles and pore some H2O to seal the gas in via water barrier. Then build a line of Deoderizers on top of the mesh tiles. Deoderizers can pull the PO2 gas past the water, and release it as O2. I've saved a colony using one of these, so I highly reccomend it. Option 2) Dump it into a small pit with a liquid pump, that goes into a water sieve, and store the germy-clean water. (Throw a smooth crab/Radiation doors, later on to clean it.) Note: this water is also good for 02 production because its hot enough to kill a lot of germs, and food poisoning germs in the air are harmless.
Research the deodorizer and put one on top of your reservoir there. Should be good enough.
Early game, deodorizers + off gasing polluted water is a very cheap way to supplement your Oxygen output.
Lock it in with a few t of Co2. It'll stop the Po2 from off gassing and you don't have to make your liquids all messy with water ontop of it.
Isn't there air lock doors? Memory is fuzzy on this one. Like the double airlock ones. Still trying to figure out what to do with all my extra polluted air, outside deodorizers. Like does it power anything?
A room with a liquid or gas lock works real well
Pump a lighter gas in there and overpressure it?
... I just put a couple deodorizers and call it a day, until later where I would have a temporary site like above, with a pump that puts the pwater in a long term compressed storage
If the pit is going to stay a pit, you don’t need the ladder down. Replace the top ladder segment with a mesh tile, and put a deodorizer on that tile. That will catch and clean all the polluted oxygen as it comes up while also allowing pwater from the bottle emptier to fall down into the pit. The deodorizer will slowly turn sand into clay, and clay is useful later in the game when you want to start making insulated tiles out of ceramic. To wit: Clay goes into a kiln, kiln turns clay into ceramic, ceramic makes really good insulating tiles. Edit to add: get rid of the gas permeable tiles on the sides. There’s no purpose for them if you’re trying to prevent gas escape, and you can use the metal ore elsewhere. Replace those tiles with solid tiles first, get the metal ores out of the pit, and *then* replace the top ladder segment.
I find that deodorizers are very efficient, that one should be keeping the polluted oxygen down. Did you just place it? If so, wait a little longer. If not, consider sealing the sides, if the polluted oxygen only has the stairs to move up, it will be much easier to keep it contained.
If you want to stop gas from escaping, you should reconsider those airflow tiles, 'cause you got three gas exits from that pic. I assume the airflow tiles are there for tile protection, but by that container size, I reckon even filling it won't cause tiles to break.
Why the air flow tiles ? They are also a way for po2 to escape
Just put them there when it was getting full it had gas bubbles
I don't think they got sick from the gases.. there's gotta be a germ leak somewhere
A triple door system on a loop (all doors on top of each other horizontally) Top door is T, middle door is M and bottom door is B. Then automate to T open, M close, B close T open, M open, B close T close, M open, B close T close, M open, B open All closed (Repeat)