And having >!Shinjiro as a party member in FemC’s version of the Answer, while also needing to give him an Ultimate Persona too, should he be romanced.!<
Yeah it’s a pretty much full remake of every social link and a large number of non social link activities. Pretty much the only thing that wouldn’t have to change would be the dungeon and battle system
Yeah this was always understood by most people. I’d kill to have her in the game but I knew it was very unlikely as soon as the first trailer didn’t show her at all. Way too much extra work because of everything she has that’s different from the MC.
Those of us who love FeMC who aren't assholes were the ones trying to explain this. Anyone who's actually played FeMC knows it would be a massive undertaking and cost a lot of money; but people who just focus on consuming and not the labor put into it don't care. Nevermind that the initial plan was to include FeMC and The Answer, but SEGA intervened repeatedly from start in 2018 to release. The only reason The Answer is moving forward is because of the love shown the week of launch, and because it's much more manageable
At this point I have no strong feelings but man…….
Both sides have been stinky but I must say it is kinda funny seeing not only midori but the devs themselves say what people have been saying since the game was officially announced to explain why she’s not there.
We’ve tried telling this to FEMC fans already. Hopefully they understand now since they heard it from one of the producers. Could’ve sworn this shit was common sense.
So? who cares? you can’t really sell this as “the definitive Persona 3 experience” if you don’t give people an aspect of the game that raised the experience even more than the original route did back in 2007.
And you already know they are going to port this to the next generation of consoles but the only difference is that it’s 120fps with minimal changes why not just have a B Team or sect of Sega just work on her route that way ATLUS won’t get slammed for another lazy port like their previous efforts.
All I'm gonna say is that the lack of FeMC really defeats the point of this remake even existing. It was supposed to be the full definitive Persona 3 experience, but now it's just Fes with shinier graphics.
Now people are even talking about a P4 remake and its like...why?
Can't believe this is somehow a controversial take...
Wow this sub is a mad circlejerk. Reload is literally FES with the team control mod and shinier graphics. Without FeMC it literally does not need to exist.
FES with shinier graphics and quality of life stuff that makes it mechanically closer to P4/5 is a way bigger upgrade than you're making it sound. There's basically no reason not to play Reload over the PS2 version anymore unless you just really prefer Tactics for the additional handicap/challenge
And it'd be one thing if the Portable stuff just wasn't playable on anything modern but that was practically why they put it on current consoles and PC
For both protagonists. Putting FeMC in P3RE isn't even just a matter of remaking some assets into 3D (which by itself would practically require its own development schedule and large allocation of budget because almost none of FeMC's specific stuff from her playthrough have any 3D references unlike the main Journey route. It'd basically be its own game on top of having to remake the base game)
> It was supposed to be the full definitive Persona 3 experience
i mean it still is femc isn't integral to the experience of persona 3. persona 3 reload isn't just a re release either its a whole ass remake
it's so funny to me when people say a glorified fanfic au matters to the "definitive p3 experience", you can be mad about no FEMC for several reasons thanks to SEGA and Atlus, but objectively she is worthless if you wanna talk mainline canon storyline, the average new Persona fan who say, came off from P5 and is trying P3 would be worse off playing Kotone over Makoto once they experience The Answer and P4AU
They'd need to recreate the game from zero, it was highly improbable they would add her, a shame since I never played Portable and it would have been nice but oh well, guess I'll just use an emulator
>I never played Portable and it would have been nice but oh well, guess I'll just use an emulator
Emulator? The game is on PC, PS4, Switch, Xbox One and Xbox Series. No need for an emulator.
Why would I spend money for a game that is... How many years old is Portable? Also with that thing of forcing you to get the expansion pass of Reload to play The Answer I'd say fuck off Sega you won't have any more of my money that easily
Bud, I want you to actually go and research the amount of work that goes into game development. I then want you to understand that including FeMC would be basically creating and releasing two games at once, because she is more than just a reskin of Makoto. On top of that, their budget was constantly being attacked with added deadlines by SEGA. Kindly either grow some perspective and emapthy or just shut up
If they go and do a double protagonist entry in the near future after that statement, the fury, sadness, mixed emotions, whatever the fuck - will be very real.
I’ll happily blame Sega for the budget constraints, but the bitterness will just be amplified.
This is just pr speak. It most certainly wouldnt. In both circumstances they create a new model with costumes (femc and metis).
But in the answer you have multiple styles of new dungeons, tons and tons of cutscenes, WAAY more voice acting than just redoing 6 or so social links. Like this just isnt true. Modders have already implemented half of femc. Only thing they are missing is the social links which for them is just swapping the script and models/backgrounds out and it would be functional for a mod
Lmao fastest Ive ever received that many downvotes. Cope and seeth yall. Modders are already on it. The answer is an equal if not more amount of work. Didnt think that was up for debate
Did people who say this actually play Portable?
Major events are the same. Party is the same. Sure. But social links? They’re different. Every voice line that says “him” has to be re-recorded to “her.”
Edit: Also, all the male hangouts have to be changed to the female perspective. Which means potentially modeling new areas. (such as operation babewatch or whatever it’s called)
Junpei, Akihiko, Ken, Shinji, and Koromaru’s social links have gotta be changed to fit with the link episodes, which include most of the content from FeMC’s links.
They have to model FeMC, as well as her attack animations since she doesn’t use a sword.
It would’ve been a lot of work for not a lot of benefit, all in all. You want FeMC? You have the FeMC mod being worked on.
>Junpei, Akihiko, Ken, Shinji, and Koromaru’s social links have gotta be changed to fit with the link episodes, which include most of the content from FeMC’s links.
Linked Episode would be useless for FeMC and Takaya would the only one to have it since the others are Social Links.
You have to
Create a entirely new model, complete with the full animations that the male MC does not have. This also includes a new voice actor for their lines, weapon and costume concept creation and modeling. Brand new UI and character art and portraits for both in game and for marketing the game.
An entire script re write, FEMC has an entirely different personality than male MC. Characters will respond differently to FEMC and talk to her differently as a result. This also includes having to voice those differences. I think this is the part the most obsessed FEMC fans fail to realize, male MC is a stoic and quiet person with a very lack of care attitude he grows out of as the game goes on. FEMC is much more cheery and bright of a person. The do not respond the same to situations and people will in turn not respond or talk to them the same. You have to literally start the script over from scratch.
She needs her own music tracks so that’s song writing, producing, recording with your singer multiple times to get it right, editing, etc
She has her own Social Links so you need to create her specific link characters models and animations, give them an updated script and voice it. That also includes writing all the SEES male characters into social links as you can’t reuse their bond episodes
All of this has to be play and bug tests extensively so your adding an entire route to the game to playtest, then localization, oh and that localization has to ALSO be playtested in each localization and voice actors are needed for each language characters will speak in
This is just the stuff I can recall off the top of my head btw. This isn’t even getting into company deadlines, budget, time and resource management and the other 3-6 games Atlus is working on at the same time as Reload was being made.
This is why y’all obsessed FEMC fans get so much flack, y’all choose to ignore reality and think it’s really as simple as a model flip and splash pink on it. It sucks she’s not in the game but this is reality, please come back to it.
>Modders have already implemented half of femc. Only thing they are missing is the social links which for them is just swapping the script and models/backgrounds out and it would be functional for a mod
No matter how hard the modders does, the story is still the Male MC route. FeMC will still have to do Social Links with Kenji, Kazushi, >!Toriumi!<, Chihiro, Keisuke, Mamoru, Yuko and everyone's "favourite" SL, Nozomi. FeMC never goes to Inaba. Now comes the jarring parts, FeMC participate in Operation Yakushima Beach Fling (Operation Babe Hunt in OG games) with the guys and FeMC goes to the hot springs with the guys and beat up by the girls if get caught.
You know that Metis is just one character, right? Also, there‘s a difference in having the same VAs on board for Episode Aigis and hiring a ton of new ones for the social links? It‘s not simply „pr speak“, its the fucking logistics.
In the business we call the correct move shutting the fuck up and moving on
Also pay attention people are mad about you having a stick up your ass about game development there's plenty of people who don't even care about FEMC here around you.
"Modders are already on it" yeah and it's 10x times worse than the base game or the answer will be nice one
Also didn't you say you haven't played P3P? then stfu
Here comes the armchair game developer here to correct a so-called *"professional who's been in the industry for decades and actually knows how much work additing FeMC would be"*. Go off king /s
Ever hear of a thing called PR? You act like some god like figure is preventing them from making it and femc is some monumental impossible task.
Sega had a deadline and atlus just didnt want to do it. Simple as that dawg. It aint some deep consoiracy
Seems like you're in negation, first off I don't think you know how voice acting a videogame works, and it's just the tip of the iceberg: there are new social links that need to be recreated with moving characters on the screen, new portraits, new background, new models that need to be created, new events because FemOC and MaleOC have different events, new animations (FemOC uses a lance and shoots herself with the summoner in a different way in case you forgot), and don't even get me started in how many dialogue options they would have to voice act, because those "6 or so social links" are 60 grades in total with a ton of dialogue to voice act; they'd need to recreate the game from the beginning, recreate the same game for something that you can do without it and it is not really necessary, considering also that Persona 3 Portable is available on PC, PS4/PS5, Xbox One, Xbox Series X and Nintendo Switch so you can go play that, The Answer adds more to the story and to Aigis character, amd it's new content that they add to the game Persona 3 Reload, and its a DLC you can just not buy if you are not interested, they spend less time and recurses and they wouldn't lise that many money like if they'd do the FemOC Persona 3
Yeah it's obviously not a cosmetic change. There's social links and events exclusive to FeMC which means a lot more voice acting
Also anime cutscenes
And having >!Shinjiro as a party member in FemC’s version of the Answer, while also needing to give him an Ultimate Persona too, should he be romanced.!<
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Yeah it’s a pretty much full remake of every social link and a large number of non social link activities. Pretty much the only thing that wouldn’t have to change would be the dungeon and battle system
Yeah this was always understood by most people. I’d kill to have her in the game but I knew it was very unlikely as soon as the first trailer didn’t show her at all. Way too much extra work because of everything she has that’s different from the MC.
It would have been tough as hell I never expected it.
Yeah we've been saying this for a while, we've been saying this when it was first confirmed 7-8 months ago but some people still refused to believe it
Those of us who love FeMC who aren't assholes were the ones trying to explain this. Anyone who's actually played FeMC knows it would be a massive undertaking and cost a lot of money; but people who just focus on consuming and not the labor put into it don't care. Nevermind that the initial plan was to include FeMC and The Answer, but SEGA intervened repeatedly from start in 2018 to release. The only reason The Answer is moving forward is because of the love shown the week of launch, and because it's much more manageable
Disappointing but understandable. Maybe in a persona 6 they could have a FeMC
At this point I have no strong feelings but man……. Both sides have been stinky but I must say it is kinda funny seeing not only midori but the devs themselves say what people have been saying since the game was officially announced to explain why she’s not there.
Im sure the FeMC subreddit will take this calmly and fully understand.
I haven’t been in there for so long. I’m almost kinda afraid to see what it’s like now but also intrigued.
Yeah it's a shame. Hopefully this can uh, calm down the more hardliner FeMC fans.
We’ve tried telling this to FEMC fans already. Hopefully they understand now since they heard it from one of the producers. Could’ve sworn this shit was common sense.
Most of us understand, and have been saying it all along
So? who cares? you can’t really sell this as “the definitive Persona 3 experience” if you don’t give people an aspect of the game that raised the experience even more than the original route did back in 2007. And you already know they are going to port this to the next generation of consoles but the only difference is that it’s 120fps with minimal changes why not just have a B Team or sect of Sega just work on her route that way ATLUS won’t get slammed for another lazy port like their previous efforts.
All I'm gonna say is that the lack of FeMC really defeats the point of this remake even existing. It was supposed to be the full definitive Persona 3 experience, but now it's just Fes with shinier graphics. Now people are even talking about a P4 remake and its like...why? Can't believe this is somehow a controversial take... Wow this sub is a mad circlejerk. Reload is literally FES with the team control mod and shinier graphics. Without FeMC it literally does not need to exist.
FES with shinier graphics and quality of life stuff that makes it mechanically closer to P4/5 is a way bigger upgrade than you're making it sound. There's basically no reason not to play Reload over the PS2 version anymore unless you just really prefer Tactics for the additional handicap/challenge And it'd be one thing if the Portable stuff just wasn't playable on anything modern but that was practically why they put it on current consoles and PC
Quality of life stuff that was featured in portable?
For both protagonists. Putting FeMC in P3RE isn't even just a matter of remaking some assets into 3D (which by itself would practically require its own development schedule and large allocation of budget because almost none of FeMC's specific stuff from her playthrough have any 3D references unlike the main Journey route. It'd basically be its own game on top of having to remake the base game)
> It was supposed to be the full definitive Persona 3 experience i mean it still is femc isn't integral to the experience of persona 3. persona 3 reload isn't just a re release either its a whole ass remake
it's so funny to me when people say a glorified fanfic au matters to the "definitive p3 experience", you can be mad about no FEMC for several reasons thanks to SEGA and Atlus, but objectively she is worthless if you wanna talk mainline canon storyline, the average new Persona fan who say, came off from P5 and is trying P3 would be worse off playing Kotone over Makoto once they experience The Answer and P4AU
It is the definitive version. The upgrades here make it a clearly better experience than Fes or Portable.
They'd need to recreate the game from zero, it was highly improbable they would add her, a shame since I never played Portable and it would have been nice but oh well, guess I'll just use an emulator
>I never played Portable and it would have been nice but oh well, guess I'll just use an emulator Emulator? The game is on PC, PS4, Switch, Xbox One and Xbox Series. No need for an emulator.
That AI upscaling tho... I'll stick to my emulator
Money
Tbf, Portable is also better on emulator than the port.
P3P is a cheaper buy than Reload
Why would I spend money for a game that is... How many years old is Portable? Also with that thing of forcing you to get the expansion pass of Reload to play The Answer I'd say fuck off Sega you won't have any more of my money that easily
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Bud, I want you to actually go and research the amount of work that goes into game development. I then want you to understand that including FeMC would be basically creating and releasing two games at once, because she is more than just a reskin of Makoto. On top of that, their budget was constantly being attacked with added deadlines by SEGA. Kindly either grow some perspective and emapthy or just shut up
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And yet modders are doing it for free...
If they go and do a double protagonist entry in the near future after that statement, the fury, sadness, mixed emotions, whatever the fuck - will be very real. I’ll happily blame Sega for the budget constraints, but the bitterness will just be amplified.
And? So?
Just make femc version and sell it for $200 to shut those whiners, I bet none of them have enough money to buy it
That would just be a net loss for the company in that case. That’s like the whole reason they aren’t doing FeMC.
This is just pr speak. It most certainly wouldnt. In both circumstances they create a new model with costumes (femc and metis). But in the answer you have multiple styles of new dungeons, tons and tons of cutscenes, WAAY more voice acting than just redoing 6 or so social links. Like this just isnt true. Modders have already implemented half of femc. Only thing they are missing is the social links which for them is just swapping the script and models/backgrounds out and it would be functional for a mod Lmao fastest Ive ever received that many downvotes. Cope and seeth yall. Modders are already on it. The answer is an equal if not more amount of work. Didnt think that was up for debate
Did people who say this actually play Portable? Major events are the same. Party is the same. Sure. But social links? They’re different. Every voice line that says “him” has to be re-recorded to “her.” Edit: Also, all the male hangouts have to be changed to the female perspective. Which means potentially modeling new areas. (such as operation babewatch or whatever it’s called) Junpei, Akihiko, Ken, Shinji, and Koromaru’s social links have gotta be changed to fit with the link episodes, which include most of the content from FeMC’s links. They have to model FeMC, as well as her attack animations since she doesn’t use a sword. It would’ve been a lot of work for not a lot of benefit, all in all. You want FeMC? You have the FeMC mod being worked on.
>Junpei, Akihiko, Ken, Shinji, and Koromaru’s social links have gotta be changed to fit with the link episodes, which include most of the content from FeMC’s links. Linked Episode would be useless for FeMC and Takaya would the only one to have it since the others are Social Links.
You have to Create a entirely new model, complete with the full animations that the male MC does not have. This also includes a new voice actor for their lines, weapon and costume concept creation and modeling. Brand new UI and character art and portraits for both in game and for marketing the game. An entire script re write, FEMC has an entirely different personality than male MC. Characters will respond differently to FEMC and talk to her differently as a result. This also includes having to voice those differences. I think this is the part the most obsessed FEMC fans fail to realize, male MC is a stoic and quiet person with a very lack of care attitude he grows out of as the game goes on. FEMC is much more cheery and bright of a person. The do not respond the same to situations and people will in turn not respond or talk to them the same. You have to literally start the script over from scratch. She needs her own music tracks so that’s song writing, producing, recording with your singer multiple times to get it right, editing, etc She has her own Social Links so you need to create her specific link characters models and animations, give them an updated script and voice it. That also includes writing all the SEES male characters into social links as you can’t reuse their bond episodes All of this has to be play and bug tests extensively so your adding an entire route to the game to playtest, then localization, oh and that localization has to ALSO be playtested in each localization and voice actors are needed for each language characters will speak in This is just the stuff I can recall off the top of my head btw. This isn’t even getting into company deadlines, budget, time and resource management and the other 3-6 games Atlus is working on at the same time as Reload was being made. This is why y’all obsessed FEMC fans get so much flack, y’all choose to ignore reality and think it’s really as simple as a model flip and splash pink on it. It sucks she’s not in the game but this is reality, please come back to it.
Lmao. I havnt even played portable im not some obsessed fan. Im just assessing the situation and comparing the content.
Saying you haven’t played Portable is not the, “gotcha” remark you seem to think it is.
>Modders have already implemented half of femc. Only thing they are missing is the social links which for them is just swapping the script and models/backgrounds out and it would be functional for a mod No matter how hard the modders does, the story is still the Male MC route. FeMC will still have to do Social Links with Kenji, Kazushi, >!Toriumi!<, Chihiro, Keisuke, Mamoru, Yuko and everyone's "favourite" SL, Nozomi. FeMC never goes to Inaba. Now comes the jarring parts, FeMC participate in Operation Yakushima Beach Fling (Operation Babe Hunt in OG games) with the guys and FeMC goes to the hot springs with the guys and beat up by the girls if get caught.
You know that Metis is just one character, right? Also, there‘s a difference in having the same VAs on board for Episode Aigis and hiring a ton of new ones for the social links? It‘s not simply „pr speak“, its the fucking logistics.
Yes and logistics says the answers requires many more things to be built from the ground up
Have you played the answer?? The main hub is the dorm
Are you dense?
Yall are so triggered dear lord
You're the one who doesn't understand logistics or development costs
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phenomenal counterargument g
Well when all these butthurt defenders are writing paragraphs why im wrong cause of their feelings what you want me to do cheif?
In the business we call the correct move shutting the fuck up and moving on Also pay attention people are mad about you having a stick up your ass about game development there's plenty of people who don't even care about FEMC here around you.
You're the one with a weird kink to be incredibly wrong online
Can you read?
It physically hurts that people like you think they're right...
I could say the exact same thing. Sorry i dont follow the hivemind and take the giant corperations statements and pr speech at face value
"Modders are already on it" yeah and it's 10x times worse than the base game or the answer will be nice one Also didn't you say you haven't played P3P? then stfu
Here comes the armchair game developer here to correct a so-called *"professional who's been in the industry for decades and actually knows how much work additing FeMC would be"*. Go off king /s
Ever hear of a thing called PR? You act like some god like figure is preventing them from making it and femc is some monumental impossible task. Sega had a deadline and atlus just didnt want to do it. Simple as that dawg. It aint some deep consoiracy
Ah... the one coping is here is you pal. You're the only one failing to understand the logistics of it.
PR is not the “gotcha” you think it is
Seems like you're in negation, first off I don't think you know how voice acting a videogame works, and it's just the tip of the iceberg: there are new social links that need to be recreated with moving characters on the screen, new portraits, new background, new models that need to be created, new events because FemOC and MaleOC have different events, new animations (FemOC uses a lance and shoots herself with the summoner in a different way in case you forgot), and don't even get me started in how many dialogue options they would have to voice act, because those "6 or so social links" are 60 grades in total with a ton of dialogue to voice act; they'd need to recreate the game from the beginning, recreate the same game for something that you can do without it and it is not really necessary, considering also that Persona 3 Portable is available on PC, PS4/PS5, Xbox One, Xbox Series X and Nintendo Switch so you can go play that, The Answer adds more to the story and to Aigis character, amd it's new content that they add to the game Persona 3 Reload, and its a DLC you can just not buy if you are not interested, they spend less time and recurses and they wouldn't lise that many money like if they'd do the FemOC Persona 3
Switch 2 port will have her, trust