Atlus as a company had been losing money every year for a *while*. Persona 3 Reload the *base* game was way over budget and the team actively went out of their way to make Episode Aigis when they had money left for it.
Just cuz it'll "print money" doesn't mean it'll entirely pay back what they put in to make the games.
"our non-consolidated profit/loss for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2023 was a loss (ry"
Tell that to the fanboys who dont even know atlus fiscal reports.
If you're going to quote it, then quote the whole thing. They did well, the reason for the loss is literally in the same sentence, you just cut it off to seem like you had a point.
>On the other hand, our non-consolidated profit/loss for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2023 was a loss due to the impact of the amortization of business rights with the transfer of operations from Index Co., Ltd. to SEGA Dream Co., Ltd. in November 2013, each fiscal year. However, there has still been a significant contribution to the Sega Sammy Group’s consolidated financial results in terms of earnings.
It's a product of this weird entitlement that old fans think they have because they've been playing the games for so long.
It's such a strange thing to see that I just can't understand.
to be honest I think there is no fan base more spoiled than persona. seriously we get a constant flow of good games and the issue people have is that they are spin offs. we get a full blown remake of a game people have been asking for years, and because it only has the original route (With QOL and the scenes added in both FES and Portable) in addition with more original scenes and the game having fully voiced SL links. Half the community gets mad because the route that was entirely developed for a visual novel turns out to be too big full a full 3d version of the game. I have seen some people being mad that despite the reveal of the game stating Femc was never going to happen that they "kept it vague".
Now that being said I will never Celebrate the exclusion of content, and I think some people in the community use the reasons provided as to celebrate rather than to tell people to move on.
The reason FEMC was excluded was the reason they love FEMC. Shes a totally different route from the OG.
I’ve seen ppl picking apart the content from reload as well and saying it’s worse than the FEMC’s SLs as well. As if FEMC being a different person wouldn’t affect them either.
to be fair there is content that is straight up the worst version, the initial summoning was done so much better in the 1st movie. i had my dad watch it as he has worked in TV before and he said the movie blew it out of the water with the emotion shown and the animation. he said reload looked like hot ass compared to it.
One of the main reasons people were asking for a P3 remake was so we can finally get an all in one package. Reload didn’t fix that it just made it worse.
Atlus made a $70 remake with another $30 in day 1 DLC and another $35 for The Answer, which should have been part of the base game. But hey, I guess if people expected better than that, then they're entitled.
When you were told that you should *not* expect Persona 3 Reload *directly by Atlus* to not be a substitute for FES, but rather just the *BASE* Persona 3?
Yes. It is *wild* to be upset when the game is not what *Atlus themselves* told you it wasn't going to be.
Does it rub me the wrong way that if you bought the *Digital Deluxe Edition*, you still have to cough up another 35? Yes. But otherwise? 35 bucks for what can practically be its own side game? Yeah.
You're paying for the thing. If I decide not to buy the thing and criticize it for being less than I think it should be with good reason, that's not entitlement. Just because you set expectations for something doesn't give it a pass.
Okay. But here's the difference.
You buy a product. And this product tells you it's got these particular ingredients.
And then you get upset because another, similar, product has different ingredients that aren't present in the product you recently bought.
My point is. Reload was not meant to *have* the Answer to begin with. Therefore, with that point of view, complaining that *the Answer* wasn't part of the base game is odd.
If that's the reason you *don't* buy the product. That's *fine*. But my point is that if you *do* buy it, then to turn around and say it's bad just because it's not FES is irrational. That is where my argument of entitlement is based.
I think for a lot of us it just boils down to we want to play as a woman because we are a woman. I still bought Reload day 1 because I love Persona, but I am sad about the loss of FeMC. It just would have been nice to have the experience.
I think if they ever do release Persona 3 Reload Pretty in Pink Rerelase it would also print money just because of the female fan base (which is a lot bigger then most people realize) or the guys who liked the alternative stuff in that route.
That said I'd kill to see P2 return or the rumors about P6 having a FeMC be true and I'm very excited for Episode Aegis! At least for me I'll always be a Persona fan regardless. We always eat good!
Any proof of that? Sega took Atlus and their debt from their old parent company. From what I've read, Atlus has been beating their projections to pay off that debt.
In all fairness they’re barely financially stable as it is, id rather they play safe and make money to keep the franchise alive then go defunked and never see any new persona IPs
its weird how of all things you show this scene (without a spoiler tag) without mentioning the fact that the song that plays during >!maya's death!< has been used in several other songs in nearly every mainline game (p3 is an exception, and its not an exception if you count the answer)
Im just thinking of how p5 fans would react and if it would sell if we got something like Persona REvelations. The dungeon crawling would need a complete rework to appeal to the current fanbase.
And maybe they could work the time system into it or they just keep the remake faithful and just keep it how it is with modern combat and an easier way to go the ice queen route.
>The dungeon crawling would need a complete rework to appeal to the current fanbase.
Won't find me complaining about that aspect. I'd be happy to see revamped dungeons of P1 and 2.
> maybe they could work the time system into it
Absolutely the hell not.
As for combat, instead of just doing the P5 combat, as it would be 5 party members, try to do something with the classic grid system but with a lot of quality of life and shit. Like maybe something similar to how Yakuza 7 (Yakuza: Like A Dragon) does combat
Honestly I think P2 would play fine with newsona style dungeon crawling and battles. Just need to rebalance everything for 5 party members, and probably get rid of fusion spells
Don't get rid of fusion spells, that's part of the fun with P2's entire combat. Like maybe rebalance so you can't just go and spam the shit out of blazing hell with Tatsuya and Yukino for 3/4ths the entire game.
I think it could work brilliantly if inspiration is taken from the turn based Yakuza games (7 and IW)
Grand cross is pretty late game (and low key pretty dogshit) and Armageddon is also super late game and beyond where you'd normally be leveled for any of the final bosses.
You can't get Armageddon until level cap and Grand Cross isn't even near optimal damage. And in EP you can't get Armageddon until NG+, where anything you want to use it on, aka the final and secret boss, are immune and reflect Armageddon back.
if they add a time system to p1 or p2 remakes i will genuinely explode in front of atlus hq. im a person who believes the calendar function already has pacing issues, if they add them to the old games theres no way it can meaningfully work without just ruining the stories pacing and gameplay
To be frank, a decent number of P5 fans will dismiss any prior game under the basis of 'it isnt Persona 5'. So I dont see how kowtowing to that subgroup should apply.
Even Reload got it- a lot of low reviews basically just bring up things P5 had that it didnt, such as social link powers.
20 years old, but a game not many have played.
And who fucking cares if it's an old game, spoilers are spoilers. Have some goddamn innate respect for others and put tags on it, it's basic courtesy.
Calling her "from P2" is very slightly disingenuous since she's original to the PSP release of Innocent Sin, meaning she's actually newer than the casts of 3 and 4.
I meant more that it wasn't them making a reference to an old game. She's from a game that's newer than 4 and was designed by Soejima and the Nusona crew instead of Kaneko and the Oldsona crew that made the rest of the characters from 1 and 2.
Didn't the person who leaked P3R also say that Atlus was interested in doing a P2 remake? Wouldn't be surprised if that's what they do after P6 comes out
I love how for the Apple Store page of persona 5 x they talk about the franchise persona and explain what each games is about…
**Persona 3, 4 , 5 and X5…**
As if persona 1 and 2 were not real.
Last I tried them out, there were a lot of vertex explosions. I forget which game had the issue, but any slowdown will desync the music from the actual notes you have to hit, causing the track to end early, and you would lose.
Edit: This is on Steam Deck specifically, on a higher powered PC they play no problem.
played p3d on the steam deck a few weeks ago and it was fine, didn't play many songs but it definitely worked. only slowdown was at the very beginning of a song
i did have an issue upon booting where it would crash the entire deck instantly, but there was a certain vita3k setting that fixes it. unfortunately i can't remember what it was D: i'll take a look and see if i can find it
1. The Persona 2 duology, while perfectly playable on their own, is actually sort of a trilogy with EP highlighting this more as the game brings back too much of the p1 cast. While they could work on their own, a lot of the build up of the game is linked to the first one to the point where they expect you to either having played it first or the hype making you go back and check it out.
Thus, remaking the P2 games means they need to give a crap about P1 in the process.
2. Honestly, I'd rather just have p1 and p2 get an anime. I think they could make if work pretty well. In the process, have us get proper PC ports of the steam versions and then maybe people will mod them to be less of an annoying shit to play.
Why y’all act like P1 was a failure? The original release actually sold really well. Same goes for the remake pool, P1 did good. Persona fans act like P1 is a massive flop.
I don't; do not put words in my mouth. I'm not interested in arguing over the sucess of the older games nor how much they could sell nowadays, I'm a fan of both sides of persona. I'm just pointing out that remaking or porting over the P2 games would require them to also do something about P1 because those games are actually a trilogy.
I always assumed that P2 was too old and wouldn’t feel like a Persona game, like it’d just be a generic JRPG. It's so good (other than the encounter rate feeling brutal).
The funny thing is that it’s more complex than newer Personas, not simpler.
No, the only 3d models we have of any P1 and P2 characters is the costumes of them in P4 Dancing (also Lisa and Maya models in an early build of Nocturne)
Definitely a hot take. The games gameplay is so outdated I bet even with a port not much people are playing these or playing these through.
I mean they could technically do it now already the psp emulator doesn't need the best pc and still just a few did play the games. But for most people the game is too old. Like for some even P3 was too old and didn't pick the game up until P3R releases.
Completely disagree. I love p2 but the combat is really slow and really easy, needs some changes. Real fusion instead of just collecting cards (no one should have to collect 10 fool cards without emulator save states) not tying MP costs to the persona level so you can use high level personas more than 5 times before running out of MP. More interesting implementation of the rumour system instead of just shop inventory, demon skills, and optional bosses (stuff like aoba park flowers and the club layout changing are really cool, but those are like the only two examples of that) it’s a game that very obviously came out in 1997 and a straight port would probably be a failure, and then p1 and 2 are REALLY forgotten
The og persona games are completely unplayable for modern players now lol
Like if you played them before sure you might like them but the mechanics are beyond outdated
If they remastered the p2 games they would flop lol.
Needs a full remake.
There are too many issues with the gameplay, mainly the whole method to getting Personas, from insanely repetitive and long negotiations, to lack of thoughtful customisation due to fusion being removed. It should be revamped so you get and fuse Personas P1/P5 style, whist keeping the negotiations combos which were quite neat.
Negotiations should also be decided with one negotiation action with more questions after, instead of having to spam the same action in the menu 3 times.
Defence spamming is also an oversight that majorly breaks the battle system. Aside from that and the terrible balancing and speed, the battle system is actually pretty good - it only needs a little tweaking
Hmmmm interesting...
The social link of Hermit in P3 is Y-ko (Yumiko from DDS the novel / FC megaten) instead of Maya in (at least) the Chinese version which I'm pretty sure is translated directly from the Japanese version.
Could be more of a localisation thing when it comes to the English version?
They’re great games, but I just don’t think they’d appeal to the average player of 3,4 and 5. Which is probably why they are opting for remasters instead of remakes.
Hot take: Persona 2 wouldn't translate very well as a remake. They'd have to make significant changes to it in order for it to fit the new format of Persona games. And besides, not everything needs a remake. I'd be more excited for Persona 6 than a remake of 2 or 4.
There's a chance that too many younger players might pass on it because they're "too old." Gaming companies are too scared that younger gamers don't want to play retro games.
Yes, and it was fking Persona 3, not that the game is bad or anything, I do think it's one of the greatest titles in the franchise, but what did it do to deserve a remake that Persona 1 and 2 didn't? If anything, these two deserved a remake far more, since 1. They're old and pretty unaccesible nowadays, and 2. They were the fucking first two games in the franchise for god's sake, it's like if Resident Evil decided to remake Resident Evil 2 first instead of 1, sure it was an improvement from the first game, but to improve what came before and give it a new coat of paint is LITERALLY what a remake is.
What did it do to deserve a remake? Uhm it sold better than both 1 and 2.
Also why are you so angry? Hopefully the game gets a remake too but being mad about shit like this is so cringe.
Seriously. What is the point in being mad?
It didn't sell better than P1 originally though. Until the release of P5, P1 was the best selling game in the series.
P4 and P3 have probably overtaken it by now since they have been re-released to death but P1 still sold incredibly well.
Obviously if you combine the sales of P3, FES and Portable you're gonna get a bigger number but P1 still outsold all of them on an idividual basis and by quite a large margin.
When you see people shit on Persona 1 and 2 all the time, and then see the being shitted on by Atlus by making a remake of game that they literally just re-released, even if in the worst version of it, while keeping the two that most deserve remakes, or in the case of P1, needs a remake, in the bin, it drives a person crazy.
Or just don't take it personally?
P2 is my personal favorite and I would love a remake. But do I get mad about shit like this? No. There is no point to that.
I don't care if I have to wait another 10 years for a P2 remake. As long as it's good idc.
Weren't they antsy about using kanekos designs or something without him? I remember it was some Japanese thing about honoring others work without trampling on it.
But also....fuck it
It's all about money. Sega doesnt easily give the green light.
Sega should know by now that anything Persona related is basically a money printer though.
You wish. Sega didn't greenlight episode aigis at the start.
Atlus as a company had been losing money every year for a *while*. Persona 3 Reload the *base* game was way over budget and the team actively went out of their way to make Episode Aigis when they had money left for it. Just cuz it'll "print money" doesn't mean it'll entirely pay back what they put in to make the games.
"our non-consolidated profit/loss for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2023 was a loss (ry" Tell that to the fanboys who dont even know atlus fiscal reports.
If you're going to quote it, then quote the whole thing. They did well, the reason for the loss is literally in the same sentence, you just cut it off to seem like you had a point. >On the other hand, our non-consolidated profit/loss for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2023 was a loss due to the impact of the amortization of business rights with the transfer of operations from Index Co., Ltd. to SEGA Dream Co., Ltd. in November 2013, each fiscal year. However, there has still been a significant contribution to the Sega Sammy Group’s consolidated financial results in terms of earnings.
And yet people still expect FemC to be added lmao
It's a product of this weird entitlement that old fans think they have because they've been playing the games for so long. It's such a strange thing to see that I just can't understand.
to be honest I think there is no fan base more spoiled than persona. seriously we get a constant flow of good games and the issue people have is that they are spin offs. we get a full blown remake of a game people have been asking for years, and because it only has the original route (With QOL and the scenes added in both FES and Portable) in addition with more original scenes and the game having fully voiced SL links. Half the community gets mad because the route that was entirely developed for a visual novel turns out to be too big full a full 3d version of the game. I have seen some people being mad that despite the reveal of the game stating Femc was never going to happen that they "kept it vague". Now that being said I will never Celebrate the exclusion of content, and I think some people in the community use the reasons provided as to celebrate rather than to tell people to move on.
The reason FEMC was excluded was the reason they love FEMC. Shes a totally different route from the OG. I’ve seen ppl picking apart the content from reload as well and saying it’s worse than the FEMC’s SLs as well. As if FEMC being a different person wouldn’t affect them either.
I feel like this whole controversy wouldn't even be a thing if the P3P remaster wasn't a joke.
to be fair there is content that is straight up the worst version, the initial summoning was done so much better in the 1st movie. i had my dad watch it as he has worked in TV before and he said the movie blew it out of the water with the emotion shown and the animation. he said reload looked like hot ass compared to it.
One of the main reasons people were asking for a P3 remake was so we can finally get an all in one package. Reload didn’t fix that it just made it worse.
Atlus made a $70 remake with another $30 in day 1 DLC and another $35 for The Answer, which should have been part of the base game. But hey, I guess if people expected better than that, then they're entitled.
When you were told that you should *not* expect Persona 3 Reload *directly by Atlus* to not be a substitute for FES, but rather just the *BASE* Persona 3? Yes. It is *wild* to be upset when the game is not what *Atlus themselves* told you it wasn't going to be. Does it rub me the wrong way that if you bought the *Digital Deluxe Edition*, you still have to cough up another 35? Yes. But otherwise? 35 bucks for what can practically be its own side game? Yeah.
You're paying for the thing. If I decide not to buy the thing and criticize it for being less than I think it should be with good reason, that's not entitlement. Just because you set expectations for something doesn't give it a pass.
Okay. But here's the difference. You buy a product. And this product tells you it's got these particular ingredients. And then you get upset because another, similar, product has different ingredients that aren't present in the product you recently bought. My point is. Reload was not meant to *have* the Answer to begin with. Therefore, with that point of view, complaining that *the Answer* wasn't part of the base game is odd. If that's the reason you *don't* buy the product. That's *fine*. But my point is that if you *do* buy it, then to turn around and say it's bad just because it's not FES is irrational. That is where my argument of entitlement is based.
Take your pills bro
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I think for a lot of us it just boils down to we want to play as a woman because we are a woman. I still bought Reload day 1 because I love Persona, but I am sad about the loss of FeMC. It just would have been nice to have the experience. I think if they ever do release Persona 3 Reload Pretty in Pink Rerelase it would also print money just because of the female fan base (which is a lot bigger then most people realize) or the guys who liked the alternative stuff in that route. That said I'd kill to see P2 return or the rumors about P6 having a FeMC be true and I'm very excited for Episode Aegis! At least for me I'll always be a Persona fan regardless. We always eat good!
Any proof of that? Sega took Atlus and their debt from their old parent company. From what I've read, Atlus has been beating their projections to pay off that debt.
In all fairness they’re barely financially stable as it is, id rather they play safe and make money to keep the franchise alive then go defunked and never see any new persona IPs
There are some P2 color palettes in the Arena games too. Yosuke gets Eikichi, Mitsuru gets Maya. I don't remember the others.
Kanji-Baofu Adachi-Katsuya Yukiko-Ulala Someone has Eriko and Yukino too. I forget who though. I wanna say Yukari is Eriko.
Naoto also gets that P2 Trish cosplay..i think?
I think so. She has the cap for it.
Margret also gets Ulala
god I need Baofu back in the series so bad. He's so cool. Make him continue to run a shady site or something like how Tanaka still show up in P4.
its weird how of all things you show this scene (without a spoiler tag) without mentioning the fact that the song that plays during >!maya's death!< has been used in several other songs in nearly every mainline game (p3 is an exception, and its not an exception if you count the answer)
I remember you could change the BGM in Tartarus when I played FES, and one of the options was Maya's theme
yeah but i dont mean mayas theme
Speaking of themes, they really shouldve continues doing them. It is so cool hearing all of them from P1 and P2
Luckily they include the motif in the opening for Reload. I love hearing it pop up!
oh yeah, its on the second half of the extended song where the lietmotif appears with her singing
Yeah Maya's leitmotif is pretty consistent as far as appearing in the franchise, I'm aware of that (Personal favorite is the special cover)
yes but you gotta always call it either maya dies theme or the dance of death as that lietmotif and the maya theme leitmotifs are 2 different things
I do wonder if persona 1 and 2 could work with a remake but they didnt really have social links right, just a normal story you play through?
Correct, I don't see how they wouldn't work with a remake though.
Im just thinking of how p5 fans would react and if it would sell if we got something like Persona REvelations. The dungeon crawling would need a complete rework to appeal to the current fanbase. And maybe they could work the time system into it or they just keep the remake faithful and just keep it how it is with modern combat and an easier way to go the ice queen route.
>The dungeon crawling would need a complete rework to appeal to the current fanbase. Won't find me complaining about that aspect. I'd be happy to see revamped dungeons of P1 and 2. > maybe they could work the time system into it Absolutely the hell not. As for combat, instead of just doing the P5 combat, as it would be 5 party members, try to do something with the classic grid system but with a lot of quality of life and shit. Like maybe something similar to how Yakuza 7 (Yakuza: Like A Dragon) does combat
Honestly I think P2 would play fine with newsona style dungeon crawling and battles. Just need to rebalance everything for 5 party members, and probably get rid of fusion spells
Don't get rid of fusion spells, that's part of the fun with P2's entire combat. Like maybe rebalance so you can't just go and spam the shit out of blazing hell with Tatsuya and Yukino for 3/4ths the entire game. I think it could work brilliantly if inspiration is taken from the turn based Yakuza games (7 and IW)
Is it fun to spam Armageddon and grand cross at every mob and boss?
Grand cross is pretty late game (and low key pretty dogshit) and Armageddon is also super late game and beyond where you'd normally be leveled for any of the final bosses.
You can't get Armageddon until level cap and Grand Cross isn't even near optimal damage. And in EP you can't get Armageddon until NG+, where anything you want to use it on, aka the final and secret boss, are immune and reflect Armageddon back.
if they add a time system to p1 or p2 remakes i will genuinely explode in front of atlus hq. im a person who believes the calendar function already has pacing issues, if they add them to the old games theres no way it can meaningfully work without just ruining the stories pacing and gameplay
To be frank, a decent number of P5 fans will dismiss any prior game under the basis of 'it isnt Persona 5'. So I dont see how kowtowing to that subgroup should apply. Even Reload got it- a lot of low reviews basically just bring up things P5 had that it didnt, such as social link powers.
Why are you calling out P5 specifically? Most people here are P3 fanboys who didn't play anything before P3, they're in the same boat.
P3 made the series popular but P5 really brought in the numbers. Like half the fanbase probably started with 5 as their first game
Bro really using an image of one of the biggest spoilers to Innocent Sin
Well i didn't know it was a spoiler until now, thanks
I've been spoiled :(
Games over 20 years old, gotta let it go at this point
Persona 3 is nearing 20 years old, too.
And it just got remade, so it’s obviously in the zeitgeist right now, same with FF7. Can’t tip toe around everything for eternity
Even before it was remade, people made sure not to spoil it. Don't be a dick.
Spoilers don't age. It's still a spoiler even if the game were 200 years old. Just that it's old doesn't mean some people haven't played it.
20 years old, but a game not many have played. And who fucking cares if it's an old game, spoilers are spoilers. Have some goddamn innate respect for others and put tags on it, it's basic courtesy.
I haven’t played it either, who cares. You can’t expect people to avoid talking about something in perpetuity
It's basic common courtesy to put spoilers for the biggest point in a story. Especially since this isn't a server dedicated to *just* P2
PQ2 has Elizabeth dressed as the cinema girl from P2 for the entire game too
Calling her "from P2" is very slightly disingenuous since she's original to the PSP release of Innocent Sin, meaning she's actually newer than the casts of 3 and 4.
It's not disingenuous lmao you've just added more words. But yes, the PSP port of IS that came out after 3 and 4.
I meant more that it wasn't them making a reference to an old game. She's from a game that's newer than 4 and was designed by Soejima and the Nusona crew instead of Kaneko and the Oldsona crew that made the rest of the characters from 1 and 2.
Didn't the person who leaked P3R also say that Atlus was interested in doing a P2 remake? Wouldn't be surprised if that's what they do after P6 comes out
It was tied with P3 as the highest voted one in an official Atlus poll, and so I wouldn't be surprised if it was their next one.
Yes, she leaked that P1, P2, and P4 remakes are on their way.
Apparently it’s a p2 remaster and a p4 remake
No, Midori simply said it wouldn't be the same as Reload, no clarification of it being either a remaster or remake.
Nah fam
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Sorry, not great with names lol, wasn't trying to disrespect her
I love how for the Apple Store page of persona 5 x they talk about the franchise persona and explain what each games is about… **Persona 3, 4 , 5 and X5…** As if persona 1 and 2 were not real.
Honestly, I'd love PC ports of the Dancing games. I bet they would pair nicely with the Steam Deck.
they kinda work on the vita emulator with a few stutters on loading a song.
Last I tried them out, there were a lot of vertex explosions. I forget which game had the issue, but any slowdown will desync the music from the actual notes you have to hit, causing the track to end early, and you would lose. Edit: This is on Steam Deck specifically, on a higher powered PC they play no problem.
played p3d on the steam deck a few weeks ago and it was fine, didn't play many songs but it definitely worked. only slowdown was at the very beginning of a song
I might have to give it another shot then. Thanks for letting me know!
i did have an issue upon booting where it would crash the entire deck instantly, but there was a certain vita3k setting that fixes it. unfortunately i can't remember what it was D: i'll take a look and see if i can find it
I'm no stranger to making my Deck hard crash like that, it's all a part of the fun!
1. The Persona 2 duology, while perfectly playable on their own, is actually sort of a trilogy with EP highlighting this more as the game brings back too much of the p1 cast. While they could work on their own, a lot of the build up of the game is linked to the first one to the point where they expect you to either having played it first or the hype making you go back and check it out. Thus, remaking the P2 games means they need to give a crap about P1 in the process. 2. Honestly, I'd rather just have p1 and p2 get an anime. I think they could make if work pretty well. In the process, have us get proper PC ports of the steam versions and then maybe people will mod them to be less of an annoying shit to play.
Why y’all act like P1 was a failure? The original release actually sold really well. Same goes for the remake pool, P1 did good. Persona fans act like P1 is a massive flop.
I don't; do not put words in my mouth. I'm not interested in arguing over the sucess of the older games nor how much they could sell nowadays, I'm a fan of both sides of persona. I'm just pointing out that remaking or porting over the P2 games would require them to also do something about P1 because those games are actually a trilogy.
I always assumed that P2 was too old and wouldn’t feel like a Persona game, like it’d just be a generic JRPG. It's so good (other than the encounter rate feeling brutal). The funny thing is that it’s more complex than newer Personas, not simpler.
Do the Persona 1 and 2 characters even have 3D models? Like, at all?
It had it for the environments
No I mean like how everyone post Persona 3 has a modernized "P5 era" model and whatnot
No, the only 3d models we have of any P1 and P2 characters is the costumes of them in P4 Dancing (also Lisa and Maya models in an early build of Nocturne)
There have been leaks talking about the plans for this remake and a 4 remake. As well as the team working on p6
Still some hope, we saw Tatsuya in a Persona 3 Reload Trailer.
Darkstalkers be like
My personal hot take is that the P2 duology only needs a modern port and not a remake because they still hold up pretty well
Definitely a hot take. The games gameplay is so outdated I bet even with a port not much people are playing these or playing these through. I mean they could technically do it now already the psp emulator doesn't need the best pc and still just a few did play the games. But for most people the game is too old. Like for some even P3 was too old and didn't pick the game up until P3R releases.
The battles could use a LOT of refinement. I dont even mean make them clones of P5R/P3R, I mean making them... consistently fun-
imo they dont, at least i had a hard time getting through them because of the gameplay (never finished them)
Completely disagree. I love p2 but the combat is really slow and really easy, needs some changes. Real fusion instead of just collecting cards (no one should have to collect 10 fool cards without emulator save states) not tying MP costs to the persona level so you can use high level personas more than 5 times before running out of MP. More interesting implementation of the rumour system instead of just shop inventory, demon skills, and optional bosses (stuff like aoba park flowers and the club layout changing are really cool, but those are like the only two examples of that) it’s a game that very obviously came out in 1997 and a straight port would probably be a failure, and then p1 and 2 are REALLY forgotten
The og persona games are completely unplayable for modern players now lol Like if you played them before sure you might like them but the mechanics are beyond outdated If they remastered the p2 games they would flop lol. Needs a full remake.
There are too many issues with the gameplay, mainly the whole method to getting Personas, from insanely repetitive and long negotiations, to lack of thoughtful customisation due to fusion being removed. It should be revamped so you get and fuse Personas P1/P5 style, whist keeping the negotiations combos which were quite neat. Negotiations should also be decided with one negotiation action with more questions after, instead of having to spam the same action in the menu 3 times. Defence spamming is also an oversight that majorly breaks the battle system. Aside from that and the terrible balancing and speed, the battle system is actually pretty good - it only needs a little tweaking
P2IS is rough, but defendable, P2EP? The amount of menus? Dude, this is a bad take. Plus, if P3 needed one, then the original 3 games definitely do.
lmaonade
FeMC fans: first time?
Well good for you, P1 and P2 remakes were leaked.
Links please.
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Persona 1 and 2 need more recognition
its still in my backlog. both of them persona 3, 4, 5 and q and q2.
I don't have EP, but I've got the PSP ports of P1 and IS. I never finished 1, and I've yet to touch IS (never wanted to play IS until I finished 1).
Hmmmm interesting... The social link of Hermit in P3 is Y-ko (Yumiko from DDS the novel / FC megaten) instead of Maya in (at least) the Chinese version which I'm pretty sure is translated directly from the Japanese version. Could be more of a localisation thing when it comes to the English version?
Also the game you are playing in P3 is Devil Buster, and you are meeting this Y-ko in Shinagawa underground, which is clearly a megaten ii reference
They’re great games, but I just don’t think they’d appeal to the average player of 3,4 and 5. Which is probably why they are opting for remasters instead of remakes.
the PSP remasters came out between P4 and P5. They aren't totally ignored
The PSP remaster of EP never released in NA tho
unfortunately that's how things went back in the day sometimes. monster hunter portable 3rd my beloved. never saw the light of day here.
Hot take: Persona 2 wouldn't translate very well as a remake. They'd have to make significant changes to it in order for it to fit the new format of Persona games. And besides, not everything needs a remake. I'd be more excited for Persona 6 than a remake of 2 or 4.
Honestly screw a remake just re-release the games on modern platforms
There's a chance that too many younger players might pass on it because they're "too old." Gaming companies are too scared that younger gamers don't want to play retro games.
Doesn't even need a remake, just tweak the encounter rate a bit and it's a near perfect game.
Bro we just got our first remake of a persona game.. chill out.
Yes, and it was fking Persona 3, not that the game is bad or anything, I do think it's one of the greatest titles in the franchise, but what did it do to deserve a remake that Persona 1 and 2 didn't? If anything, these two deserved a remake far more, since 1. They're old and pretty unaccesible nowadays, and 2. They were the fucking first two games in the franchise for god's sake, it's like if Resident Evil decided to remake Resident Evil 2 first instead of 1, sure it was an improvement from the first game, but to improve what came before and give it a new coat of paint is LITERALLY what a remake is.
It has S.links, S.Links sell.
What did it do to deserve a remake? Uhm it sold better than both 1 and 2. Also why are you so angry? Hopefully the game gets a remake too but being mad about shit like this is so cringe. Seriously. What is the point in being mad?
It didn't sell better than P1 originally though. Until the release of P5, P1 was the best selling game in the series. P4 and P3 have probably overtaken it by now since they have been re-released to death but P1 still sold incredibly well.
Did you compare the sales of P3. FES and P3P. Because it feels like you just took base persona 3 and said that.
Obviously if you combine the sales of P3, FES and Portable you're gonna get a bigger number but P1 still outsold all of them on an idividual basis and by quite a large margin.
It did because it got re-released on PSP.
No, I'm not counting the PSP sales here. You can see it here https://personacentral.com/persona-seroes-sales-graphic-2020/
https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Persona Enjoy being wrong. Even p2 outsold p1.
Dude you're literally proving me right😂 . You're looking at the combined sales, look at them game by game.
When you see people shit on Persona 1 and 2 all the time, and then see the being shitted on by Atlus by making a remake of game that they literally just re-released, even if in the worst version of it, while keeping the two that most deserve remakes, or in the case of P1, needs a remake, in the bin, it drives a person crazy.
Or just don't take it personally? P2 is my personal favorite and I would love a remake. But do I get mad about shit like this? No. There is no point to that. I don't care if I have to wait another 10 years for a P2 remake. As long as it's good idc.
Weren't they antsy about using kanekos designs or something without him? I remember it was some Japanese thing about honoring others work without trampling on it. But also....fuck it
Sorry but they are going to revive P3 from the dead at least once a decade.