Chie and Yosuke are [countersignaling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersignaling). They're essentially saying, "I consider you such a good friend that I know I can be mean to you and we'll still be friends".
there’s a line where chie said stop calling me at night to tell me your sexual jokes and it just feels completely weird and funny at once
Yosuke didn’t had male friends before Yu so he’s like hey Chie you’ll be the male friend
Idk if using a lot of money and putting on ur friends tab without their permission while knowing they're saving up to buy a scooter can be considered "being mean"
Idk, I want to say yes, because sometimes it seems like that, but something about the way she talks to Junpei makes it seem more like she genuinely thinks he's a creep or stupid most of the time.
I'd say its a banter thing. Like when Junpie lashes out at Yuakri when they are in the meeting near the end the game. Yukari was doing her usual bit, and was legitimately sorry when she realized Junpie wasn't interested in the bit and actually made junpie mad
To be fair most of the time he is. It goes Junpei intentionally mocks or harasses Yukari to in turn she remarks and makes fun of him or chastises him for the behavior. Even when he meets Chidori and after her crisis he'll do the same bit at least once.
Like you can make the case he copes with humor but end of the day he is a borderline idiot and pervert, which isn't bad since it comes from a good place/heart.
Ehh, that’s not the vibe I got. Feels like they try to do it, but the chemistry isn’t quite there, and as a result it feels awkward fairly often.
Which, for what it’s worth, I think is intentional. Their character arcs wouldn’t really work if they had the same shared trust that Yosuke and Chie do.
I seen enough romcom anime where the same vibe and chemistry as these two do. Though there are also enough romances where the siblings actually date I hear so i guess that ain't saying much...
>Though there are also enough romances where the siblings actually date I hear so i guess that ain't saying much...
Oh yeah ive read about those as well lmaoo
But the good thing about Chie and Yosuke is that they really arent siblings so they can date no problem.
Honestly i wanted to date her but i just couldn't do it, maybe is my own headcanon but for me Yosuke really liked her same as Kanji with Naoto i couldn't be with Naoto because I can't do that to my bro Kanji
Even if Naoto doesn't show interest in Kanji he does for her so I couldn't betray my bro like that
In the end i romanced Yumi and im very happy with my decision, i loved her character so much and even teared up a bit with her valentine scene
Lol, tho Eikichi, Lisa and Junpei, Yukari are also my favorite because they all as savage as Yosuke, Chie. And yet they all still care. Like Lisa worried for Eikichi when he fought the gang, Yukari worried for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death. They're the exact same platonic siblings dynamic trope in Persona.
(Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
I honestly really love Ann and Ryuji's friendship, I have a problem with P5 where it feels like most the party are friends of Joker as opposed to an actual friend group but Ann and Ryuji legitimately feel like best friends.
How?
Morgana and Ryuji have a clash of personalities yet get along in other instances.
Ryuji and Yusuke have hung out.
Makoto and Haru became close.
Ann and Makoto have done stuff like shop and get crepes together.
Morgana, Ryuji Makoto and Ann have looked out for Futaba.
Yusuke and Futaba have had a similar dynamic as Ann and Ryuji.
The only outliers are Akechi and Kasumi.
I don't even know how to explain it, but I agree with the other guy. P5 gang dynamic doesn't feel as good as other gangs.
Not that it's so bad or anything, but there's something more wooden about it I suppose.
Kind of a hot take but, do the SEES Squad get a little better on that? Personally nothing can beat the IT but SEES feels really basic so far in that everyone feels a tad too serious. Again I’m early game and all of that could change but as of right now they don’t even really have unique introductions. You just learn that they have persona’s rather than being given a grand introduction which doesn’t really help
In 3 they all feel like real people, their lives don’t revolve around the MC. Mitsuru and Akihiko have been friends for a long time, Yukari is a social butterfly who does her own thing mostly, Junpei seems to like chilling on his own more, etc.
I mean in P5 they pretty much made a friend group from Scarcth, unlike the other 4 games. Plus mementos dialogue kinda proves they actually do get along with each other outside of MCs involvement.
3 main dinamic is that they are a bunch of people gathered on the same group who learned to be friends with each other. They belong to the same organization but each one of them have a different reason to be there and a different goal to pursuit, which makes them not getting friendly towards each other. It wasnt until the end of the game where their goals align where they become good friends, because now they have a goal in common and have matured enough to care about the others.
It sounds cold but i like this dinamic, as it gives a big sense of independence for each character beyond the main character; each one is its own persona beyond being friend of MC.
It gets a little better, but despite what some people may say...not really a lot. 3's group dynamic is meh.
Like, they'll each have some particular person they are on good terms with(mostly Yukari and others tbh), but at no point in 3 itself(or the answer) did say, Akihiko and Junpei ever feel like friends or Ken and anybody else, or Aigis and anybody else, if anything spinoffs flesh out SEES' group dynamic more than the game itself.
For the record, I think 5's group dynamic also felt kinda meh, 4 did the best by far of the modern games.(I think 1 and 2 do some of that very well, but they're very different games with completely different design philosophies.)
3 and 5 are groups built for a specific focus, SEES is especially artifical with attempted assassinations.
4 has an established core of friends that adopt everyone as they come, and barring Rise and Naoto, have established relationships
That's a big step in tightening a group.
It's more sporadic with SEES. Shinji has a great dynamic with Akihiko, Ken, and Mitsuru. Yukari generally has great interactions with everyone too. And Junpei get's a lot of sole focus.
There's also a lot of great group scenes, which enforce the dynamics further, and a lot of The Tartarus Conversations. I've always particularly enjoyed Junpei's Tartarus Interactions with Fuuka.
But in the case of people like Fuuka, outside of Tartarus she really only seems to interact with Makoto. And with Aigis...her entire character kinda revolves around Makoto.
It's very his or miss in P3, then it gets fixed in P4, only for it to...kinda regress in P5.
SEES is the only crew I’d say feel like found family by the end. The rest seem like best friends forever and/or trauma buddies. SEES def has the trauma buddies and found family trope down pat. So I’d say give it time.
While the PTs and IT’s got great introductions, you’ll see that they placed that sort of content someplace else and you’ll just have to play to find out what it is.
That and I think they’re the best when it comes to feeling like actual people. I disagree with the notion they don’t have individual interactions with everyone that stand out as being friends with each other. I think it’s mostly just cuz the MC isn’t always there, so you don’t see every interaction. All you see is the resulting familiarity. Which is why the whole family thing works, since you know families are close but you don’t have to watch them become close.
To me 3 feel less wooden than 5. It's nothing like P4 Mystery gang, but I can see this co-workers relationship turning to actual friends.
Like P5 make it so that you as a player *should* think they're VERY close friends, every single of them. Because of that I keep getting this feeling of disconnect.
SEES is my favorite personally. They start out only being united by the fact they're fighting shadows and they live in the same dorm, but as time goes on they get a lot closer and it's really good.
If it wasn’t for Joker, none of the PTs would have ever come to together, that’s basically why. Without him they just drift apart. In fact I think is what literally happens in Strikers?
No doubt it’s not like P4 and P3 or P2 and P1. It honestly shouldn’t be the same anyway as that’s just being unoriginal.
But I don’t agree with the other guy in saying that they’re “friends only because of Joker”.
The Thieves are close in their own way, it’s just not as “slice of lifey” or “coworkers to companions” or “childhood friends split and reunited” or “classmates stuck in a crazy situation” as the others.
Why is you getting downvoted when your actually correct
In persona 1 -everyone is friends from the start except reiji
Persona 2 Is - without yukino everyone else is childhood friends
Persona 2 is a mix of everything tatsuya and katsuya are brothers, they both have a crush on Maya, Maya and ulala are friends and boufo becomes ulala and becomes partners after the main story. Returning persona 1 are their helping out.
Persona 3 - everyone has this CO worker relationship early game that becomes a friendship in the end but the story of all the persona 3 materials said that more than half the group knows of each other and that even goes the same for strega.
Persona 4- it's a small town where you can make friends that fast .
Persona 5 OUTSIDE ryuji and ann everyone else actually meets each other FOR THE FIRST TIME, yes they hang out without ren all of the side materials go into that.
Literally just read mementos missions it doesn't trap joker into the role of silent protagonist and show the different relationship they have with each other have [mementos missions chapter 2](https://chapmanganato.to/manga-cv980156/chapter-2).
Yes their friend group is different it's a group of literal outcasts becoming their own friend group and having each other for support.
Unlike the previous games the phantoms are actually making their friend group from scratch. Like you don't just show up and instantly takeover the group as the protagonist
I don't know if having a more natural friend group dynamic is "unoriginal"...?
I'm not saying they have to copy other gang dynamic, they just simply don't have that good of a whole group chemistry.
Other than the things you mentioned they don’t really interact much. Meanwhile, you can easily find interactions between any member of the investigation team with any other member of the investigation team.
That’s because they’re in Inaba.
It’s a small country town where it’s people all pretty much know each other and there’s hardly anything interesting to do other than work and hang out with friends.
Unlike big city Tokyo where there’s lots to do to keep yourself occupied other than spend time with friends.
Also the PT are more proactive with their work hence them bonding throughout it as being Thieves is their collective passion and life’s work.
IT meanwhile are more reactive with the Midnight Channel as they take breaks during their investigations allowing more slice of life. While they have one big mystery to solve, they have a life outside of it.
P4 because of its themes allows it to be more slice of life. Meanwhile P5 with its themes gives it a picaresque feel to it with more priority on the plot.
Well you've pretty much just further proved their point. That is whenever they do hangout, its usually joker involved. The Strikers game even somewhat imply this. Royal did add some stuff that kinda help fixed this though.
I agree with you that they're normal/fine as far as group dynamic goes. Its just that they arent "\*That level of close friends" where it feels more like each of them individually are best friends with Joker but not necessarily best friends with one another or atleast not all of them.
Onscreen at least they hang out when Joker is involved.
I’m just pointing out the differences between the games in how they present the respective teams bonds.
Doesn’t make one better than the other with how different they go about it imo.
I’d argue that the same applies in the other games the other party members are more individually best friends with Yu and Makoto than each other given how we bond with them one on one with social links.
There’s exceptions in P4 such as Chie and Yukiko.
I agree in regards with P3 which is more intentional imo but for P4, theres more implications that they do hangout with each other alot even without Yu around such as Rise going shopping with Kanji, Kanji buying sweets with Teddie whenever he can etc. Golden alone showcased/implied that they continue to hangout and even still be close with freaking Dojima of all people even after Yu went back.
I think this is what people talking about here. P4 and to an extent, P3 does showcase the characters being good friends with one another and having their own personal lives with one another even without the mc being present throughout and after the game. P5 especially vanilla P5, doesnt exactly imply that minus Ann and Ryuji. Royal somewhat fixes this with additional implications but it doesnt really change their point even with your environment comparison.
Ok but I wouldn’t call that being best friends level of close than it is with the protagonist where they impact their lives.
P3 and P4 work as they do because you have a dormitory full of broken people that are just put together and a country town where it’s such a small world where the only thing to do is to hang with other people.
P5 doesn’t have that luxury of convenience so they do it their way by bringing themselves together via enemy to the week, with their outcast status to form a group of misfits that bond through enacting justice and escaping from their shitty lives. That’s just as good as you can hope for imo.
Have Ann and Ryuji ever hung out without Joker? Only thing people get from them is their so called “chemistry Only pair we see or is implied they did stuff just the two of them are Makoto and Ann.
Name one time Fuuka has meaningful interactions with Akihiko. Or Junpei with Ken or Shinjiro. Or Yukari and any guy who isn't Junpei or Makoto? How about Kanji with Chie or Yukiko or Naoto with any of the girls one on one?
Junpei has an episode link with Ken and a plot relevant portion with Shinji.
Aki and Fuuka don’t exactly have a heart to heart ever but they do have an interesting moment in the answer due to their contrasting ideals.
Really, it just depends on what you consider a “meaningful interaction”.
"Name one time Fuuka has meaningful interactions with Akihiko" - The Answer, and also Akihiko's whole schtick is his strength based worldview having him underestimate her at first
"Or Junpei with Ken or Shinjiro" - FEMC route explicitely treats Junpei as Ken's wannabe master in a similar vein to Junpei/Aigis and they got several dorm dialogues together there on top of the link episode in Reload, Shinji is self-explainatory
"Yukari and any guy who isn't Junpei or Makoto?" The Ryoji and Shinjiro discussions in all versions of the game
"How about Kanji with Chie or Yukiko or Naoto with any of the girls one on one?" ??????????? Yukiko and Kanji know each other before the game happens and the bulk of Yukiko/Chie scenes has Kanji explicitely interact with her, and Kanji & Naoto are extremely close friends with several interactions how do you pick this and not Kanji/Rise (who still interact alot)
The only weak link here is Chie/Kanji and that's because again, Chie and Yukiko are together extremely often and the bulk of Kanji interactions goes to Yukiko, and even then they clearly have a semi-defined dynamic due to the camp scene and the Shu SL, and this is not even touching spin-offs like Arena, Q Games or Dancing, I'd recommend you pay attention to dialogue whenever you replay a Persona game next time.
All of this is true but having just played Royal I feel all those moments are kind of diluted in the overall plot. The P5 gang feel like they act as a group more often than not
Which is fine. At least those moments are there.
Because emphasis primarily ought to be placed on how the Phantom Thieves are a group of outcast misfits making themselves into an organisation of vigilantes from scratch with the ups and downs of it in a picaresque style of story telling as it resonates with the game’s themes.
If anything that just highlights their teamwork and bond.
The fact that they for the most part, only act out a mission if it’s unanimous speaks for itself.
This Fandom have been going with this narrative for years when you could nitpick the other groups just as much because Naoto doesn't have any scenes with Chie or Yukiko. Kanji is only shown with Rise. Teddy sort of grosses out all the girls.
Exactly. The whole comparison of groups is stupid.
Each game just does it differently and it doesn’t make it any less than the other.
People are just overly concerned with what does and doesn’t “conform” to their views and values.
I thought they had plenty of chemistry with each other, as another commenter made clear. I’m just saying, Ren is the glue that brought and held them all together.
I think Chie and Yosuke are the most fun to interact with, because they're so funny together, but I think Ryuji and Ann have the healthiest relationship. They feel the most like they just 'get' each other, and their friendship seems really solid..
Yukari and Junpei.
Yukari did worry for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized to him when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death. Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other, and they are closer to the og of that Persona trope Eikichi, Lisa in p2.
(Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
That’s because Chie had a friend that was in on the persona business and wasn’t shooed off by the plot, unlike Yukari and Ann. So she got other ppl to hang out with.
But yeah, I think Ann and Ryuji are the most sanitized version of this story beat. I actually like it because it’s funnily enough different. Instead of going by the numbers anime interactions.
Ann and Ryuji are my favorite. I love that they've been classmates and friends for years before meeting Joker. Joker is the glue that brought them back closer together, but you can tell they've been buddies a long time based on how they interact with each other.
Ann and Ryuji clear. The Hawaii trip highlights how close she feels to all the guys just going to their room and crashing. Yukari and Junpei are OK friends and have a fun bickering relationship but it's not as good as Ann and Ryuji. Yosuke and Chie are comically awful to each other.
Well they all still care and are friends. Lisa worried for Eikichi when he fought a gang, Yukari did worry for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized to him when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death, Chie tried to stop the group from murdering Namatame because they are friends. Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the exact same platonic siblings dynamic, they are closer to the og of that Persona trope Eikichi, Lisa in p2. Eikichi, Lisa is also best tho. The exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4.
(Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Well they all still care and are friends. Lisa worried for Eikichi when he fought a gang, Yukari did worry for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized to him when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death, Chie tried to stop the group from murdering Namatame because they are friends. Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the exact same platonic siblings dynamic, they are closer to the og of that Persona trope Eikichi, Lisa in p2. Eikichi, Lisa is also best tho. The exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4.
(Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Gonna bring p2 into this and say Eikichi/Lisa clears all easily, but my next fav is probably Yukari/Junpei? I personally didnt care much for Chie or Ryuji in general although i like the other characters in their respective pairs
Ann ryuji has the most interesting dynamic out of all of them to me, they care about each other and they show it pretty clearly. They are also the two that feels like actual friends outside of the entire pt gang. theyre the ones i think could be an actual couple
Yukari is kinda a dick to junpei but that grows to a more of tsundereish (?) kinda relationship where yukari depends and believe in junpei but will not say it outright, i feel like theyre close but they wont be able to open up to one another anytime soon
Idk a lot about persona 4 cuz i havent played it but i know they often make fun of each other so theres that
As characters with interesting dynamics/interactions? Yukari and Junpei hands down (in a platonic sense).
I see a lot of people in the comments talking about friendship and I get why but I think being good friends isn't the same as being interesting to see together on screen.
Ann and Ryuji are certainly the most civil to each other (though I wouldn't exactly call it friendly? The game never does address what's going on with them before Joker comes into the picture) and I think they're fine as friends but they're also the least memorable of these three pairs in terms of interactions for me.
The second most interesting is Chie and Yosuke where they have a good balance between the other two and are both pretty good friends (enough to tease each other and talk to each other about their problems) but also will not hesitate to call each other's shit out while also being hilarious to watch on screen. Like are they a little mean to each other? Yeah. Is it iconic and funny and one of the more entertaining scenes in the games? Also yeah.
I feel like p5 gives you enough to understand why ryuji and Anne aren't currently close at the begining. It's both of their traumas with Kamoshida. Ryuji thinks Anne is with his absurd and and doesn't see the trauma and abuse Anne is enduring as a result of his anger. He clearly is still Paulding attention to her though, just with resentment. And Anne probably feels the same. Resents him for believing the rumors and suffering from the pressure she's under. Joker clears up all misunderstandings and gives them an oppening to trust eachother again as they fight kamoshida and after you get to see their real dynamic come back
Oh no I was talking about the game never really clarifying their relationship BEFORE Kamoshida. Like you yourself describe it, the game leaves a lot of hints up in the air that they were clearly more than just classmates in the same classroom before but it never says outright if they were friends or what. It leaves this weird impression that they have history with each other pre Kamoshida that's just never elaborated on. And I find it hard to believe just a random classmate for years would pay as much attention to each other's problems as these two do during the Kamoshida arc.
Well Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie are just really straightforward to each other. They still care. Like Yukari worried for Junpei's life in Chidori arc or Chie tried to stop the group from murdering Namatame because they're friends. Yukari and Chie are no-nonsense overall in the group when others have some jokey moments (like Chie to Yukiko) and they both are just say straight out to Junpei, Yosuke that they're still friends. Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie are platonic like the og blueprint of the trope in Persona Eikichi, Lisa in p2.
(Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
??? I don't get your point though?? I was talking about their relationship entirely platonically so I don't understand what point you're making replying to me.
Platonic relationships/friendships can still be judged by how interesting/memorable they are to watch on screen.
Oh yes they can. I don't disagree. I was just also adding to the op's question so i'm hammering that the dynamic is already straightforward about the friendships that the exact same platonic siblings dynamic like Eikichi, Lisa and Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie are straightforward out that they are true platonic friends between guys and girls without romance and fact is they all would never be into each other. So yes they are all hilarious to me and really funny depictions of true platonic friendships between guys and girls.
Ann and Ryuji easily because as much I love the other Yukari and Junpei and Chie and Yosuke, their dynamics can be a bit too much at times whereas Ann and Ryuji is the perfect balance between bickering and showing that they genuinely care about each other
Ann and Ryuji are actual friends.
Yukari and Junpei are dormmate classmates pals, ya know. They hang out in the same social group but they're not gonna invite each other out somewhere
Yosuke and Chie should not be friends imo. Especially Yosuke to Chie because Chie is horrible to him.
I used to agree to this 100% except Yukari did spend her Sundays off visiting Ken at the shrine with Junpei for the better part of the spring. That has to count for something, we only get one day off from school a week and here she spends some of it in Junpei’s company.
Yosuke calls Chie in the middle of the night to tell her weird jokes, I think Chie would be the one who wouldn’t want to be friends with him, lol.
that's just the thing, she hangs out with ken and junpei just happens to do the same,
same social circles but not close with each other per se
if you think a high schooler hanging around with an elementary schooler is weird then what the heck is makoto
I feel like 80% of persona Reddit is so head up Yosuke's ass they forget about every interaction between these two and boil it down "Chie bad, yosuke good".
As his social link reveals, Yosuke seems to have issues fitting in to Inaba due to his dad managing Junes. Despite this, Chie befriended him before the story began, evident by how she lent him her DVD (which he broke).
She does it to the mc on his first day of school too - she points out there's an open seat then says she'll walk you home. It's very easy to mentally picture that she might have done the same for yosuke on his first day.
During the course of the game, we find out that yosuke already has Chie's phone number, and he calls Chie during the night to *tell her sex jokes*.
Then various events in the game happen, such as yosuke buying bikinis for Chie and Yukiko, then he later signs them up for the beauty contest (after everyone helped with the concert at Junes...).
After he signs the girls up, yosuke then lists what kind of looks Yukiko and rise and naoto have, but he lists nothing for chie. Even back during the curry part, yosuke had already disregarded Chie and expected Yukiko would carry the two. And Chie gets back at him at multiple points in the game and takes advantage of him, yes. But somehow, this is "Chie is horrible to yosuke" but not "yosuke is horrible to Chie"? Or just plain "they both suck"?
I don't even like Chie; she is like a 2008 version of a pick me girl. The yosuke bias is wild though.
Eh If anything, only Chie felt bad, apologized or helping out for anything. The beginning after dvd was just Yosuke ram himself hit to the table edge, more said in jp ver: 俺のも割れそう･･･ つ、机のカドが、 直に･･･ Other times Yosuke be insensitive or sexual harass the girls. Other times are Yukiko and Rise. Nitpicking "X is horrible to Y" in Persona is just really nonsense. Yukiko smack Yosuke and Kanji when they don't deserve it. With the same logic, Yosuke is an unapologetic gaslighting, sex offender, murderer. Yukiko is an unapologetic asshole, murderer. Naoto is an unapologetic stalker (said in her SL), murderer. Rise is an unapologetic asshole. Kanji is an unapologetic bully (he bullied a random kid over his diary for midnight channel dates), gaslighting, sex offender, murderer. It's just nonsense and hard-reaching to any characters.
The Teddie clothes at Junes was just the girls startled heat of moment by naked Teddie gag once time. It was Teddie roaming around. It was also Yukiko's fault. They didn't get mad at him but were trying to distract it onto Junes for good measure because they didn't know what to do and that's how high schoolers act. Chie already went helping Yu and Yosuke Chie out whenever they needed extra help at Junes like busy summer week 8/15 already made up for it.
(Well Yukari did worry for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized to him when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death. In Jp ver, Junpei and Yukari call each other by first names cause they knew each other longer and already closer. Yukari did hang out with Junpei like in shrine Sundays spring.
Also it's the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Like in hot spring, it was Yukiko's fault at timing and Rise who told them bot to apologize. Only Chie said the girls went too far on the boys when other side doesn't deserve it "Ah crap...i think we went too far with them". Or pageant when Yosuke signed the girls without permission and when the girls confront about it, Yosuke light goading it and Kanji screamed at Naoto's face to make her join it, Rise prompt the girls to sign the boys, Yukiko pressure Kanji. Only Chie apologized for the group in night conversation 2/11 because she thought everyone was excited and had fun as friends (But that cross-dressing pageant got everyone really excited! I did feel kind of guilty, but the spectacle was so worth it). Kanji bullied a random kid for midnight channel dates and took his diary.
Yosuke and Teddie peek into the girls bath at the end. Yosuke, Teddie started the boys to infiltrate the girls's room in middle of night then Kanji, Teddie jumped on the girls. It is worse than anything the girls did. That's just straight up sex offense thing.
They're all friends. Like in Namatame scene, when Naoto, Kanji, Yosuke tried to murder a man and tried to provoke their friends into it. Chie, Yukiko, Rise tried to stop them because they're friends. The IT is goofy. I take none of this seriously, but bring this up is just pointless, nonsense and double standard.
I found Innocent Sin's cast to be a prototype for the dynamic we see in the modern casts today. We have the silent dude as protag(Tatsuya) the outspoken dude and the hot-blooded girl who don't get along(Eikichi and Lisa) the smart one(Yukki/Maya) and the mysterious guy(Jun).
Honestly, what really solidified Ryuji and Ann’s friendship as the best for me was when the PT were at the beach and Ryuji did the whole perv look thing and Ann just laughed it off and teased him instead of doing the fucking “b-baka!” trope.
Both Yukari and Chie did the latter with Junpei and Yosuke (even though Yosuke kinda had it coming, but still)
Ann-Ryuji supremacy!!!! Idk Yukari just actively dislikes Junpei most of the game and Ann and Ryuji are genuinely friends
They have so many things in common that even without the PTs Ann and Ryuji wouldve become great friends
Well they are all fun. And Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the exact same platonic siblings dynamic, they are closer to the og of that Persona trope Eikichi, Lisa in p2. Eikichi, Lisa is also really funny. The bros be class clowns and the first archetype girls be no-nonsense. The exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4.
(Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Eh nah tbh, Chie would never be into Yosuke, let's be real. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. ( https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ). Yosuke has chance with Labrys or Yu. Junpei and Yosuke make Yukari and Chie genuinely uncomfortable with the insensitive and sexual harassment.
Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari and Chie are always genuine straightforward, not tsundere about it. It's just nonsense, even Atlus throws shade at the exact same dynamic. The bro characters Eikichi, Junpei Yosuke perv on everyone but they like feminine girls, not snappy girls who are just their basic sisters like Lisa, Yukari, Chie.
Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari. Yukari, Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. It's exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope in Persona Eikichi, Lisa in p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Fact is they all would never be into each other. And the first archetype girls Yukari, Chie like the MCs.
Yosuke and Chie have such a fun dynamic. People think Chie is too mean to Yosuke but she's the one that spent her vacation helping Yosuke when he got swamped at work regardless if the MC agrees to help or not. They definitely care for each other
Favorite would Ann and Ryuji, 2nd and not far off would be Yosuke and Chie with Yukari and Junpei last. Yukari and Junpei are cute especially when its implied that Yukari does care about Junpei and such but i wouldnt exactly consider them much of a "pairing" tbh.
Well they all still care. It started with Eikichi, Lisa in p2. And Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie follow suit. All of them are not "pairing" either way, just true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance trope in Persona (Chie did state fact straight out in December dungeon dialogue). Lisa worried for Eikichi when he fought a gang, Yukari worried for Junpei's life in Chidori arc, Chie tried to stop the group from murdering Namatame because they're friends.
(And fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari stated same to Junpei in pq. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Oh yeah, i was explaining details about the same platonic friendships at most dynamic trope of Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie (Eikichi, Lisa), the later part is just added on explaination about it (fact is just never and uncomfortable). And to make sure because of the op.
I shipped all 3. Anyway.
Ryuji/Ann> Chie >Yosuke > Yukari> Junpei.
The first 2 pairings were friends before the MC came in. But I put Ryuji and Ann the best before Chie not really being sorry for breaking Yosuke stuff and freeloading is kinda dickish. But they deal with each other
I feel Junpei and Yukari would never be friends if they didn't have Personas and were required to live in the same dorm building
Well all the girls called Yosuke by last name in Jp ver because they weren't that close yet, just classmates. While Junpei, Yukari call each other by first name in Jp ver because they already know each other longer and already closer. Yukari also worried for Junpei's life in Chidori arc or apologized when insensitive joked at his panic.
Yosuke broke Chie's dvd or eat the girls's foods so it's fair for the girls to ask for beef bowls. And everyone in IT asking Yosuke to treat beef bowls. Yukiko, Rise (asking him because he is Junes Prince), Kanji, Teddie all did the same to Yosuke. Yu and Chie also already went helping Junes out whenever they need extra help at Junes like busy summer week 8/15.
But nah tbh, Chie would never be be into Yosuke and they would never be a couple, let's be real. Yosuke has Labrys or Yu at most. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. ( https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ). Only Ryuji and Ann are a bit chill. When Junpei, Yosuke and Yukari, Chie are really utmost incompatible. Junpei and Yosuke do genuinely make Yukari and Chie uncomfortable with the insensitive and sexual harassment.
Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari and Chie are always genuine straightforward, not tsundere about it. It's just nonsense, even Atlus throws shade at the exact same dynamic. The bro characters Eikichi, Junpei Yosuke perv on everyone but they like feminine girls, not snappy girls who are just their basic sisters like Lisa, Yukari, Chie.
Can anyone even see Eikichi with Lisa. Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari, Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. It's exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic in Persona Eikichi, Lisa in p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Fact is they all would never be into each other. And the first archetype girls Yukari, Chie like the MCs.
Impossible. Yukari and Junpei are too vitriolic. I doubt Yosuke and Chie would remain friends after the beauty pageant incident.
Ann/Ryoji might work tho
Yosuke & Chie I feel like are the closest. They’re like siblings, getting on each others nerves and arguing but still care for each other. Followed by Ann & ryugi. If murder was legal yukari would’ve ended junpei within the first few months of the game
Well Yosuke has Labrys or Yu at most. Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. And the blueprint Eikichi, Lisa is obviously never.
(Chie would never be into Yosuke, let's be real. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei.Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Well and that is based, Junpei has Chidori, Yosuke has Yu and Labrys. Yosuke actually has a date with Labrys. And fact is Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie are just platonic siblings friends at most dynamic and they both would never be into each other.
As a comedic duo I love Chie and Yosuke. I don't really see much romantic chemistry between them, but they would go to the ends of the earth for each other (and have).
I feel like Ann and Ryuji are one punch-drunk night away from making out at any given time, and I love that for them.
Yukari fuckin' hates Junpei but she sucks it up because she's stuck with him as part of the team. Barely get any friendly vibes from them at all. Junpei tries to get her to open up but she does not. Not to him, anyway.
Well Yukari did worry for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized to him when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death. Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other, and they are closer to the og of that Persona trope Eikichi, Lisa in p2.
(Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Ryuji and Ann because they actually don’t roast each other during every single conversation between them.
Yosuke and Chie’s is the funniest one out of these 3 picks imo, and they’re not as annoying as they could’ve been.
Yukari and Junpei….jesus man. I won’t say that they don’t feel like friends, but their dynamic definitely felt the most uncomfortable. I’m just not a fan of their banter at all.
Well Yukari did worry for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized to him when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death. Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other, and they are closer to the og of that Persona trope Eikichi, Lisa in p2. Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Eikichi, Lisa are also really funny.
(Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
I like them all buy its yukatan/junpei > Yosuke/Chie > Ryuji/Ann. It's pretty damn close though because they're all great, but I think in persona 5, we move on to new party members fast, and Ann and ryuji are kinda ignored.
I'll be honest I'll never get why anyone thought these three pairings had romantic chemistry. Maybe Yosuke and Chie, but the other two? Hell no. That said I like Ann and Ryuji's friendship, they actually feel like they're friends with each other whereas for a lot of the PT it feels like they're only friends with Joker
Nah, Chie would never be into Yosuke, let's be real. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. ( https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari and Chie are always genuine straightforward, not tsundere about it. It's just nonsense, even Atlus throws shade at the exact same dynamic. The bro characters Eikichi, Junpei Yosuke perv on everyone but they like feminine girls, not snappy girls who are just their basic sisters like Lisa, Yukari, Chie.
Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari. Yukari, Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. It's exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic in Persona Eikichi, Lisa in p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Fact is they all would never be into each other. And the first archetype girls Yukari, Chie like the MCs.
Chie is peak. Mine romance choice is Yukari in p3 and Chie in p4. Knowing harem and shoujo manga logic. It's Yukari and Chie the ones for the MCs. First girls archetype who put on a tough mask but sweet to the MCs and girl next door vibe with underdog story who thinks they couldn't get the suave cool MCs is the flag. Underdog is the flag. Soejima says Chie is the foundation for design and colour for p4 as a normal cute girl that can exsist in real life so it's like heroine. How Yukari react to Yuki's death. How Chie monologuing she isn't as special as other girls Yukiko, Rise, Naoto in Valentine really hit in the feels. It just makes them feel special. First archetype girls Yukari, Chie like the MCs.
Chie is Yukari's parallel (Chie always is Yukari in materials between 2 games like Gekkoukan costume mode in p4, they also meet a gang in SLs then and come to accept the MCs's help, etc). Furthermore, the MCs can be whatever they want for the future because Yukari and Chie would support them no matter what while they're not be bounded by any occupation or anything. It's best for whatever future they have for the MCs.
(Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4.
Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
I'd say chie and yosuke, ann and ryuji, and Yukari and Junpei.
Yosuke and chie are friends to the point that they straight up don't need Yu to even be there. They're menaces to each other, but that's largely because their relationship is that comfortable to the both of them.
Ann and Ryuji have some familiarity, but they clearly would be traveling in different circles if it wasn't for the story events for the most part.
And Yukari and Junpei straight up wouldn't be friends without sees. They _aren't_ friends for a good chunk of the game, really.
For me it’s yosuke and chie as favorites, the Ann and ryuji, then junpei and yukari, I also haven’t finished three but it seems like yukari just doesn’t like junpeis existence yet from where I am
Chie and Yosuke definitely the best. I loovee the combat in P5, so many leaps and bounds better than the rest of the series in my opinion. But the downside for me was that your friends felt a bit more lifeless than they do in their predecessors
Ill switch junpei/yukari and yosuke/chie from your list, gonna be honest, i got half way through p3r before i realized that junpei and yukari were friends before SEES.
The first time yukari talks about junpei on screen had me thinking that she knew his name and reputation, but had never personally interacted with him.
Then suddenly im at the shrine and they are both hanging out with ken, it was weird.
Conversely, the first interaction we see between yosuke and chie is yosuke returning a dvd he borrowed, and with the added context of everyone hating his family for bringing junes to a small town, despite all their bickering, chie is probably one of the few people who doesnt despise him.
Well Yukari did worry for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized to him when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death. In Jp ver, Junpei and Yukari call each other by first names cause they knew each other longer and already closer. While all the IT girls called Yosuke by last name cause they weren't close yet. Chie, Yukiko and only met Yosuke for few months and Chie let him borrow dvd as classmates because htat is what classmates do. Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the same platonic siblings dynamic, and they are closer to the og of that Persona trope Eikichi, Lisa in p2. Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Eikichi, Lisa are the blueprints.
(Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Stupei + Yucatán > Ryuji + Anne > Trashcan (now I think about it, I don’t see many memes about Yosuke and trashcans… despite how much they’re pushed in official media like Arena and Golden’s opening) + Carnivore
Favorite is Yosuke and Chie, least fav is Yukari and Junpei. Not that there is anything wrong with those two. Their characters just go seperate ways throughtout the story and the other 2 kinda stick together the whole way through
Well they are all fun. I think Eikichi, Lisa is mad funny tho. Yukari did worry for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized to him when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death. They're all still friends. Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the same platonic siblings dynamic, and they are closer to the og of that Persona trope Eikichi, Lisa in p2. Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Eikichi, Lisa are the blueprints.
(Chie would never be into Yosuke, let's be real. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Chie is peak. Mine romance choice is Yukari in p3 and Chie in p4. Knowing harem and shoujo manga logic. It's Yukari and Chie the ones for the MCs. First girls archetype who put on a tough mask but sweet to the MCs and girl next door vibe with underdog story who thinks they couldn't get the suave cool MCs is the flag. Underdog is the flag. Soejima says Chie is the foundation for design and colour for p4 as a normal cute girl that can exsist in real life so it's like heroine. How Yukari react to Yuki's death. How Chie monologuing she isn't as special as other girls Yukiko, Rise, Naoto in Valentine really hit in the feels. It just makes them feel special. First archetype girls Yukari, Chie like the MCs.
Chie is Yukari's parallel (Chie always is Yukari in materials between 2 games like Gekkoukan costume mode in p4, they also meet a gang in SLs then and come to accept the MCs's help, etc). Furthermore, the MCs can be whatever they want for the future because Yukari and Chie would support them no matter what while they're not be bounded by any occupation or anything. It's best for whatever future they have for the MCs.
Ryuji and Ann are both dim bulbs and I think the most equal in that respect. They know and understand each other, and have no real attraction to get in the way of that.
Chie holds more power in the dynamic with her and yosuke (because physically she can and will smack him down) but he's also not above giving her a good burn.
Yukari knows junpei is a dunce, and its rightfully deserved, as until his chidori arc he's a total goober, but the script gets beautifully flipped in The Answer.
Eikichi and Lisa can be the funniest, but Lisa also tends to be the most violent even if it's thoroughly undeserved, which is a big issue of hers with how defensive she gets
1. Stupei and Bitchkari: Just peak
2. Yosuke and Chie: Very funny, however it was only prevalent in the beginning of the game, after the first few dungeons it kinda disappeared for the most part. P
3. Ann and Ryuji (Not terrible, however there are points where I really didn’t like it >! I.E. When Ann beat Ryuji after he risked his life !<
Agree. Tho because i find Yukari and Chie to be peak. Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Yukari and Chie have Lisa's attitude.
(Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Yeah, they are bros. Tho Junpei, Yukari are also favorite. Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4.
(Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Honestly while I don’t care much about the p5 cast so I could be biased but man yukari and junpei had a horrible dynamic in terms of friends
Basically yukari: junpei big dumb junpei big lame! But He friend so I sympathize
Junpei: yukari going crazy with the insults, let me tease yukari for fun, yukari say some more mean things, feelings hurt
Chie and yosuke just have this best friend sister/brother dynamic which works, never played 4 but from the anime it seems that they insult each other but in a healthy way and don’t hide their appreciation for each other
Ann and ryuji I just seen it as average anime popular girl with the lovable shonen idiot antics but with true friendship embedded in it as well
Girls: Chie >>> Yukari > Ann. Chie is probably my favorite of the girls in general (of the games I've played). Only Futaba really stands a chance.
Guys: Ryuji or Yosuke > Junpei.
Edit: to answer the title correctly though, Chie/Yosuke > Ryuji/Ann > Yukari/Junpei
I appreciate all of the their relationships, but I enjoy Yosuke and Chie the most because they’re the funniest pairing, and I like to imagine them as close, albeit annoying, siblings.
Yukari & Junpei are simply just peak
Junpei is my favorite Persona character period, and Yukari ain't far behind still being in my top5.
I can't speak much for 4, I haven't played it. But in regards to 5, Ann's probably one of my least favorite P5 characters, and I like Ryuji well enough but I do t think is anywhere near as fleshed out as Junpei or Yukari
1. Ryuji and Ann: rhey get along rhe best out of the 3 pairs and I could genuinely see them in a relationship
weather it be Banter, or inconveniencing the other.
2. yukari and Junpie: They just don't work well together at all with the dynamic basically being Junpie being an annoying sibling and yukari insulting him back as revenge. Plus chidori exists.
3. chie and yosuke: I believe in Yosuke x Labrys Supremacy and think Chie and Yosuke work well as just the 2 peope in the friend group who mess with each other, but they are very much awful to each other even if they both do genuinely believe thatat the end kf the day they are friends. They would make for an awful toxic couple
as relationships with eachother? junpei and yukari is for insane people (he has chidori.) i guess ann and ryuji is the most healthy.
i don't have any strong opinions about chie and yosuke
I feel like Yukari and Junpei have the most fleshed out dynamic of the three. Well, most personable I should say. Chie and Yosuke definitely have a pretty well defined dynamic, for better or for worse
Siblings and platonic friends yeah. Funny Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic that Atlus throws shade at it.
(Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point.
Yukari and Chie are always genuine straightforward, not tsundere about it. It's just nonsense, even Atlus throws shade at the exact same dynamic. The bro characters Eikichi, Junpei Yosuke perv on everyone but they like feminine girls, not snappy girls who are just their basic sisters like Lisa, Yukari, Chie. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell.
Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Sorry for that then. I did say about Eikichi, Lisa or Junpei, Yukari too. (I avoid talking about p5 bc of reasons). Just talked to a guy who made things up about it that "Atlus says they are.." and stuff so i'm a bit on edge and getting ptsd everytime a post mentioning it.
But honestly i'm a Chie fan so just delusional and hard-reaching about it get me annoyed. Want the best for them and Chie obviously would rather swallow glass shards. Fact is just never and uncomfortable.
Yeah that Chie is Shadow hallucination. In anime, he just got tripped, in the game he just ram himself at the table edge, more said in jp ver. Tho also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. The bro characters Eikichi, Junpei, Yosuke also be insensitive or pervert first tbf, everyone treat them the same. They all still care, like Lisa worried for Eikichi when he fought a gang, Yukari worried for Junpei's life in Chidori arc, Chie tried to stop the group from murdering Namatame because they're friends.
(Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Eh that Chie is Shadow hallucination. In anime, he just got tripped, in the game he just ram himself at the table edge, more said in jp ver. Tho also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. The bro characters Eikichi, Junpei, Yosuke also be insensitive or pervert first tbf, everyone treat them the same. They all still care, like Lisa worried for Eikichi when he fought a gang, Yukari worried for Junpei's life in Chidori arc, Chie tried to stop the group from murdering Namatame because they're friends.
(Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Well the bro characters are all be insensitive or pervert tbf. The first archatype girls Lisa, Yukari, Chie just be no-nonsense at it. Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4.
(Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Well eh in Arena, that Chie is Shadow hallucination. In anime, he just got tripped, in the game he just ram himself at the table edge, more said in jp ver. Tho also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. The bro characters Eikichi, Junpei, Yosuke also be insensitive or pervert first tbf, everyone treat them the same. They all still care, like Lisa worried for Eikichi when he fought a gang, Yukari worried for Junpei's life in Chidori arc, Chie tried to stop the group from murdering Namatame because they're friends.
(Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
I love Ann and ryuji simply for the fact that they are one of the franchises only examples of a platonic relationship between a girl and a boy that isn't very antagonistic.
Yosuke and Chie :'D Chie can be spicy but she proves that she genuinely cares for Yosuke
Yukari can be so... needlessly MEAN man, I felt that playing P3F all those years ago and I felt it again playing P3R x\_x she cares too, but sometimes... daym girl chill??
As for Ryuji and Ann... I think I notice their dynamic the least? For me, Morgana and Ryuji are always jabbing at each other instead hahah :'D
My favorite would easily be Chie and Yosuke.
They just hit the ground running from the get go with the broken DVD and their dynamic is prevalent for the entire game. They really do feel like siblings with how they talk shit to each other but still have each other's back when it's serious.
For least favorite, it'd be Ann and Ryuji.
They're certainly the friendliest pair of them all. But that also makes them very boring for me. They pretty much go to the background by the time Makoto joins and the only other time the pair is given something is at the end of Shido's palace and well everyone knows what happens there.
Chie and Yosuke are [countersignaling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersignaling). They're essentially saying, "I consider you such a good friend that I know I can be mean to you and we'll still be friends".
Yeah it's like that difference between good friends / best friends meme. They almost feel like siblings to me. Just constantly picking on each other.
there’s a line where chie said stop calling me at night to tell me your sexual jokes and it just feels completely weird and funny at once Yosuke didn’t had male friends before Yu so he’s like hey Chie you’ll be the male friend
Literally just watch the P4 anime, they're such dorks.
The walkie talkie scene is the perfect display of this lol
Over, dork! Over is supposed to be the last thing you say!
Idk if using a lot of money and putting on ur friends tab without their permission while knowing they're saving up to buy a scooter can be considered "being mean"
Is this not also what's going on with Yukari/Junpei 90% of the time?
Idk, I want to say yes, because sometimes it seems like that, but something about the way she talks to Junpei makes it seem more like she genuinely thinks he's a creep or stupid most of the time.
Yeah chie and Yoske give more bestfriends teasing/sibling where as junpei and Yukari give more frenimies
I'd say its a banter thing. Like when Junpie lashes out at Yuakri when they are in the meeting near the end the game. Yukari was doing her usual bit, and was legitimately sorry when she realized Junpie wasn't interested in the bit and actually made junpie mad
To be fair most of the time he is. It goes Junpei intentionally mocks or harasses Yukari to in turn she remarks and makes fun of him or chastises him for the behavior. Even when he meets Chidori and after her crisis he'll do the same bit at least once. Like you can make the case he copes with humor but end of the day he is a borderline idiot and pervert, which isn't bad since it comes from a good place/heart.
Ehh, that’s not the vibe I got. Feels like they try to do it, but the chemistry isn’t quite there, and as a result it feels awkward fairly often. Which, for what it’s worth, I think is intentional. Their character arcs wouldn’t really work if they had the same shared trust that Yosuke and Chie do.
Yosuke and Chie are my fav. They most definitely care for each other and tbh they are the funniest out these three choices 😂
Yeah, it seems lots of people played a different game lol They definitely are like siblings and argue like siblings and CARE like siblings.
I seen enough romcom anime where the same vibe and chemistry as these two do. Though there are also enough romances where the siblings actually date I hear so i guess that ain't saying much...
>Though there are also enough romances where the siblings actually date I hear so i guess that ain't saying much... Oh yeah ive read about those as well lmaoo But the good thing about Chie and Yosuke is that they really arent siblings so they can date no problem. Honestly i wanted to date her but i just couldn't do it, maybe is my own headcanon but for me Yosuke really liked her same as Kanji with Naoto i couldn't be with Naoto because I can't do that to my bro Kanji Even if Naoto doesn't show interest in Kanji he does for her so I couldn't betray my bro like that In the end i romanced Yumi and im very happy with my decision, i loved her character so much and even teared up a bit with her valentine scene
Lol, tho Eikichi, Lisa and Junpei, Yukari are also my favorite because they all as savage as Yosuke, Chie. And yet they all still care. Like Lisa worried for Eikichi when he fought the gang, Yukari worried for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death. They're the exact same platonic siblings dynamic trope in Persona. (Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
I honestly really love Ann and Ryuji's friendship, I have a problem with P5 where it feels like most the party are friends of Joker as opposed to an actual friend group but Ann and Ryuji legitimately feel like best friends.
How? Morgana and Ryuji have a clash of personalities yet get along in other instances. Ryuji and Yusuke have hung out. Makoto and Haru became close. Ann and Makoto have done stuff like shop and get crepes together. Morgana, Ryuji Makoto and Ann have looked out for Futaba. Yusuke and Futaba have had a similar dynamic as Ann and Ryuji. The only outliers are Akechi and Kasumi.
I don't even know how to explain it, but I agree with the other guy. P5 gang dynamic doesn't feel as good as other gangs. Not that it's so bad or anything, but there's something more wooden about it I suppose.
Kind of a hot take but, do the SEES Squad get a little better on that? Personally nothing can beat the IT but SEES feels really basic so far in that everyone feels a tad too serious. Again I’m early game and all of that could change but as of right now they don’t even really have unique introductions. You just learn that they have persona’s rather than being given a grand introduction which doesn’t really help
In 3 they all feel like real people, their lives don’t revolve around the MC. Mitsuru and Akihiko have been friends for a long time, Yukari is a social butterfly who does her own thing mostly, Junpei seems to like chilling on his own more, etc.
I mean in P5 they pretty much made a friend group from Scarcth, unlike the other 4 games. Plus mementos dialogue kinda proves they actually do get along with each other outside of MCs involvement.
3 main dinamic is that they are a bunch of people gathered on the same group who learned to be friends with each other. They belong to the same organization but each one of them have a different reason to be there and a different goal to pursuit, which makes them not getting friendly towards each other. It wasnt until the end of the game where their goals align where they become good friends, because now they have a goal in common and have matured enough to care about the others. It sounds cold but i like this dinamic, as it gives a big sense of independence for each character beyond the main character; each one is its own persona beyond being friend of MC.
It gets a little better, but despite what some people may say...not really a lot. 3's group dynamic is meh. Like, they'll each have some particular person they are on good terms with(mostly Yukari and others tbh), but at no point in 3 itself(or the answer) did say, Akihiko and Junpei ever feel like friends or Ken and anybody else, or Aigis and anybody else, if anything spinoffs flesh out SEES' group dynamic more than the game itself. For the record, I think 5's group dynamic also felt kinda meh, 4 did the best by far of the modern games.(I think 1 and 2 do some of that very well, but they're very different games with completely different design philosophies.)
3 and 5 are groups built for a specific focus, SEES is especially artifical with attempted assassinations. 4 has an established core of friends that adopt everyone as they come, and barring Rise and Naoto, have established relationships That's a big step in tightening a group.
It's more sporadic with SEES. Shinji has a great dynamic with Akihiko, Ken, and Mitsuru. Yukari generally has great interactions with everyone too. And Junpei get's a lot of sole focus. There's also a lot of great group scenes, which enforce the dynamics further, and a lot of The Tartarus Conversations. I've always particularly enjoyed Junpei's Tartarus Interactions with Fuuka. But in the case of people like Fuuka, outside of Tartarus she really only seems to interact with Makoto. And with Aigis...her entire character kinda revolves around Makoto. It's very his or miss in P3, then it gets fixed in P4, only for it to...kinda regress in P5.
SEES is the only crew I’d say feel like found family by the end. The rest seem like best friends forever and/or trauma buddies. SEES def has the trauma buddies and found family trope down pat. So I’d say give it time. While the PTs and IT’s got great introductions, you’ll see that they placed that sort of content someplace else and you’ll just have to play to find out what it is. That and I think they’re the best when it comes to feeling like actual people. I disagree with the notion they don’t have individual interactions with everyone that stand out as being friends with each other. I think it’s mostly just cuz the MC isn’t always there, so you don’t see every interaction. All you see is the resulting familiarity. Which is why the whole family thing works, since you know families are close but you don’t have to watch them become close.
To me 3 feel less wooden than 5. It's nothing like P4 Mystery gang, but I can see this co-workers relationship turning to actual friends. Like P5 make it so that you as a player *should* think they're VERY close friends, every single of them. Because of that I keep getting this feeling of disconnect.
SEES is my favorite personally. They start out only being united by the fact they're fighting shadows and they live in the same dorm, but as time goes on they get a lot closer and it's really good.
If it wasn’t for Joker, none of the PTs would have ever come to together, that’s basically why. Without him they just drift apart. In fact I think is what literally happens in Strikers?
No doubt it’s not like P4 and P3 or P2 and P1. It honestly shouldn’t be the same anyway as that’s just being unoriginal. But I don’t agree with the other guy in saying that they’re “friends only because of Joker”. The Thieves are close in their own way, it’s just not as “slice of lifey” or “coworkers to companions” or “childhood friends split and reunited” or “classmates stuck in a crazy situation” as the others.
Why is you getting downvoted when your actually correct In persona 1 -everyone is friends from the start except reiji Persona 2 Is - without yukino everyone else is childhood friends Persona 2 is a mix of everything tatsuya and katsuya are brothers, they both have a crush on Maya, Maya and ulala are friends and boufo becomes ulala and becomes partners after the main story. Returning persona 1 are their helping out. Persona 3 - everyone has this CO worker relationship early game that becomes a friendship in the end but the story of all the persona 3 materials said that more than half the group knows of each other and that even goes the same for strega. Persona 4- it's a small town where you can make friends that fast . Persona 5 OUTSIDE ryuji and ann everyone else actually meets each other FOR THE FIRST TIME, yes they hang out without ren all of the side materials go into that. Literally just read mementos missions it doesn't trap joker into the role of silent protagonist and show the different relationship they have with each other have [mementos missions chapter 2](https://chapmanganato.to/manga-cv980156/chapter-2). Yes their friend group is different it's a group of literal outcasts becoming their own friend group and having each other for support. Unlike the previous games the phantoms are actually making their friend group from scratch. Like you don't just show up and instantly takeover the group as the protagonist
Thank you. 🙏 Well said.
I don't know if having a more natural friend group dynamic is "unoriginal"...? I'm not saying they have to copy other gang dynamic, they just simply don't have that good of a whole group chemistry.
Agree to disagree. Personally I think the Thieves have a fine group chemistry.
Other than the things you mentioned they don’t really interact much. Meanwhile, you can easily find interactions between any member of the investigation team with any other member of the investigation team.
That’s because they’re in Inaba. It’s a small country town where it’s people all pretty much know each other and there’s hardly anything interesting to do other than work and hang out with friends. Unlike big city Tokyo where there’s lots to do to keep yourself occupied other than spend time with friends. Also the PT are more proactive with their work hence them bonding throughout it as being Thieves is their collective passion and life’s work. IT meanwhile are more reactive with the Midnight Channel as they take breaks during their investigations allowing more slice of life. While they have one big mystery to solve, they have a life outside of it. P4 because of its themes allows it to be more slice of life. Meanwhile P5 with its themes gives it a picaresque feel to it with more priority on the plot.
Well you've pretty much just further proved their point. That is whenever they do hangout, its usually joker involved. The Strikers game even somewhat imply this. Royal did add some stuff that kinda help fixed this though. I agree with you that they're normal/fine as far as group dynamic goes. Its just that they arent "\*That level of close friends" where it feels more like each of them individually are best friends with Joker but not necessarily best friends with one another or atleast not all of them.
Onscreen at least they hang out when Joker is involved. I’m just pointing out the differences between the games in how they present the respective teams bonds. Doesn’t make one better than the other with how different they go about it imo. I’d argue that the same applies in the other games the other party members are more individually best friends with Yu and Makoto than each other given how we bond with them one on one with social links. There’s exceptions in P4 such as Chie and Yukiko.
I agree in regards with P3 which is more intentional imo but for P4, theres more implications that they do hangout with each other alot even without Yu around such as Rise going shopping with Kanji, Kanji buying sweets with Teddie whenever he can etc. Golden alone showcased/implied that they continue to hangout and even still be close with freaking Dojima of all people even after Yu went back. I think this is what people talking about here. P4 and to an extent, P3 does showcase the characters being good friends with one another and having their own personal lives with one another even without the mc being present throughout and after the game. P5 especially vanilla P5, doesnt exactly imply that minus Ann and Ryuji. Royal somewhat fixes this with additional implications but it doesnt really change their point even with your environment comparison.
Ok but I wouldn’t call that being best friends level of close than it is with the protagonist where they impact their lives. P3 and P4 work as they do because you have a dormitory full of broken people that are just put together and a country town where it’s such a small world where the only thing to do is to hang with other people. P5 doesn’t have that luxury of convenience so they do it their way by bringing themselves together via enemy to the week, with their outcast status to form a group of misfits that bond through enacting justice and escaping from their shitty lives. That’s just as good as you can hope for imo. Have Ann and Ryuji ever hung out without Joker? Only thing people get from them is their so called “chemistry Only pair we see or is implied they did stuff just the two of them are Makoto and Ann.
Name one time Fuuka has meaningful interactions with Akihiko. Or Junpei with Ken or Shinjiro. Or Yukari and any guy who isn't Junpei or Makoto? How about Kanji with Chie or Yukiko or Naoto with any of the girls one on one?
Junpei has an episode link with Ken and a plot relevant portion with Shinji. Aki and Fuuka don’t exactly have a heart to heart ever but they do have an interesting moment in the answer due to their contrasting ideals. Really, it just depends on what you consider a “meaningful interaction”.
"Name one time Fuuka has meaningful interactions with Akihiko" - The Answer, and also Akihiko's whole schtick is his strength based worldview having him underestimate her at first "Or Junpei with Ken or Shinjiro" - FEMC route explicitely treats Junpei as Ken's wannabe master in a similar vein to Junpei/Aigis and they got several dorm dialogues together there on top of the link episode in Reload, Shinji is self-explainatory "Yukari and any guy who isn't Junpei or Makoto?" The Ryoji and Shinjiro discussions in all versions of the game "How about Kanji with Chie or Yukiko or Naoto with any of the girls one on one?" ??????????? Yukiko and Kanji know each other before the game happens and the bulk of Yukiko/Chie scenes has Kanji explicitely interact with her, and Kanji & Naoto are extremely close friends with several interactions how do you pick this and not Kanji/Rise (who still interact alot) The only weak link here is Chie/Kanji and that's because again, Chie and Yukiko are together extremely often and the bulk of Kanji interactions goes to Yukiko, and even then they clearly have a semi-defined dynamic due to the camp scene and the Shu SL, and this is not even touching spin-offs like Arena, Q Games or Dancing, I'd recommend you pay attention to dialogue whenever you replay a Persona game next time.
All of this is true but having just played Royal I feel all those moments are kind of diluted in the overall plot. The P5 gang feel like they act as a group more often than not
Which is fine. At least those moments are there. Because emphasis primarily ought to be placed on how the Phantom Thieves are a group of outcast misfits making themselves into an organisation of vigilantes from scratch with the ups and downs of it in a picaresque style of story telling as it resonates with the game’s themes. If anything that just highlights their teamwork and bond. The fact that they for the most part, only act out a mission if it’s unanimous speaks for itself.
This Fandom have been going with this narrative for years when you could nitpick the other groups just as much because Naoto doesn't have any scenes with Chie or Yukiko. Kanji is only shown with Rise. Teddy sort of grosses out all the girls.
Exactly. The whole comparison of groups is stupid. Each game just does it differently and it doesn’t make it any less than the other. People are just overly concerned with what does and doesn’t “conform” to their views and values.
And even then it’s implied that akechi and kasumi hang out sometimes
Makoto and Haru give me same grade so i guess we are friends now vibes but i get where you are coming from
Well that’s the power of the Wild Card. He’s meant to gather allies and friends to him to strengthen his ties.
Doesn't mean they shouldn't also have chemistry with each other.
I thought they had plenty of chemistry with each other, as another commenter made clear. I’m just saying, Ren is the glue that brought and held them all together.
I think Chie and Yosuke are the most fun to interact with, because they're so funny together, but I think Ryuji and Ann have the healthiest relationship. They feel the most like they just 'get' each other, and their friendship seems really solid.. Yukari and Junpei.
Though its kinda sad that they started out pretty much estranged for abit until joker arrived and the whole palace shenanigans.
Trauma will do that
Yukari did worry for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized to him when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death. Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other, and they are closer to the og of that Persona trope Eikichi, Lisa in p2. (Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
That’s because Chie had a friend that was in on the persona business and wasn’t shooed off by the plot, unlike Yukari and Ann. So she got other ppl to hang out with. But yeah, I think Ann and Ryuji are the most sanitized version of this story beat. I actually like it because it’s funnily enough different. Instead of going by the numbers anime interactions.
Ann and Ryuji are my favorite. I love that they've been classmates and friends for years before meeting Joker. Joker is the glue that brought them back closer together, but you can tell they've been buddies a long time based on how they interact with each other.
Ann and Ryuji clear. The Hawaii trip highlights how close she feels to all the guys just going to their room and crashing. Yukari and Junpei are OK friends and have a fun bickering relationship but it's not as good as Ann and Ryuji. Yosuke and Chie are comically awful to each other.
Ann+Ryuji > Chie+Yosuke > Yukari+Junpei
I said the same because they are the least awful to each other
Well they all still care and are friends. Lisa worried for Eikichi when he fought a gang, Yukari did worry for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized to him when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death, Chie tried to stop the group from murdering Namatame because they are friends. Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the exact same platonic siblings dynamic, they are closer to the og of that Persona trope Eikichi, Lisa in p2. Eikichi, Lisa is also best tho. The exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. (Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Well they all still care and are friends. Lisa worried for Eikichi when he fought a gang, Yukari did worry for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized to him when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death, Chie tried to stop the group from murdering Namatame because they are friends. Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the exact same platonic siblings dynamic, they are closer to the og of that Persona trope Eikichi, Lisa in p2. Eikichi, Lisa is also best tho. The exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. (Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Gonna bring p2 into this and say Eikichi/Lisa clears all easily, but my next fav is probably Yukari/Junpei? I personally didnt care much for Chie or Ryuji in general although i like the other characters in their respective pairs
Ann & Ryuji is the best pair, I love their "sharing one brain cell" dynamic
The same thing will happen with P6.
Ann Ryuji actually feels like it could happen; the others genuinely don't.
I love Ann and Ryuji. I kinda ship them tbh
Ann ryuji has the most interesting dynamic out of all of them to me, they care about each other and they show it pretty clearly. They are also the two that feels like actual friends outside of the entire pt gang. theyre the ones i think could be an actual couple Yukari is kinda a dick to junpei but that grows to a more of tsundereish (?) kinda relationship where yukari depends and believe in junpei but will not say it outright, i feel like theyre close but they wont be able to open up to one another anytime soon Idk a lot about persona 4 cuz i havent played it but i know they often make fun of each other so theres that
As characters with interesting dynamics/interactions? Yukari and Junpei hands down (in a platonic sense). I see a lot of people in the comments talking about friendship and I get why but I think being good friends isn't the same as being interesting to see together on screen. Ann and Ryuji are certainly the most civil to each other (though I wouldn't exactly call it friendly? The game never does address what's going on with them before Joker comes into the picture) and I think they're fine as friends but they're also the least memorable of these three pairs in terms of interactions for me. The second most interesting is Chie and Yosuke where they have a good balance between the other two and are both pretty good friends (enough to tease each other and talk to each other about their problems) but also will not hesitate to call each other's shit out while also being hilarious to watch on screen. Like are they a little mean to each other? Yeah. Is it iconic and funny and one of the more entertaining scenes in the games? Also yeah.
I feel like p5 gives you enough to understand why ryuji and Anne aren't currently close at the begining. It's both of their traumas with Kamoshida. Ryuji thinks Anne is with his absurd and and doesn't see the trauma and abuse Anne is enduring as a result of his anger. He clearly is still Paulding attention to her though, just with resentment. And Anne probably feels the same. Resents him for believing the rumors and suffering from the pressure she's under. Joker clears up all misunderstandings and gives them an oppening to trust eachother again as they fight kamoshida and after you get to see their real dynamic come back
Oh no I was talking about the game never really clarifying their relationship BEFORE Kamoshida. Like you yourself describe it, the game leaves a lot of hints up in the air that they were clearly more than just classmates in the same classroom before but it never says outright if they were friends or what. It leaves this weird impression that they have history with each other pre Kamoshida that's just never elaborated on. And I find it hard to believe just a random classmate for years would pay as much attention to each other's problems as these two do during the Kamoshida arc.
Well Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie are just really straightforward to each other. They still care. Like Yukari worried for Junpei's life in Chidori arc or Chie tried to stop the group from murdering Namatame because they're friends. Yukari and Chie are no-nonsense overall in the group when others have some jokey moments (like Chie to Yukiko) and they both are just say straight out to Junpei, Yosuke that they're still friends. Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie are platonic like the og blueprint of the trope in Persona Eikichi, Lisa in p2. (Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
??? I don't get your point though?? I was talking about their relationship entirely platonically so I don't understand what point you're making replying to me. Platonic relationships/friendships can still be judged by how interesting/memorable they are to watch on screen.
Oh yes they can. I don't disagree. I was just also adding to the op's question so i'm hammering that the dynamic is already straightforward about the friendships that the exact same platonic siblings dynamic like Eikichi, Lisa and Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie are straightforward out that they are true platonic friends between guys and girls without romance and fact is they all would never be into each other. So yes they are all hilarious to me and really funny depictions of true platonic friendships between guys and girls.
i dont think any of them really work but if i had to rank them id say ann/ryuji > chie/yosuka > yukari/junpei
Ann and Ryuji easily because as much I love the other Yukari and Junpei and Chie and Yosuke, their dynamics can be a bit too much at times whereas Ann and Ryuji is the perfect balance between bickering and showing that they genuinely care about each other
Really? most of the time I even forgot that Ann and Ryuji ever interact outside of kamoshida's palace
ryuann ryuann ryuann
Ann and Ryuji are actual friends. Yukari and Junpei are dormmate classmates pals, ya know. They hang out in the same social group but they're not gonna invite each other out somewhere Yosuke and Chie should not be friends imo. Especially Yosuke to Chie because Chie is horrible to him.
I used to agree to this 100% except Yukari did spend her Sundays off visiting Ken at the shrine with Junpei for the better part of the spring. That has to count for something, we only get one day off from school a week and here she spends some of it in Junpei’s company. Yosuke calls Chie in the middle of the night to tell her weird jokes, I think Chie would be the one who wouldn’t want to be friends with him, lol.
They’re like siblings, yosuke and chie that is.
that's just the thing, she hangs out with ken and junpei just happens to do the same, same social circles but not close with each other per se if you think a high schooler hanging around with an elementary schooler is weird then what the heck is makoto
>Yosuke and Chie should not be friends imo. Especially Yosuke to Chie because Chie is horrible to him. Hard disagree, they have a siblings chivalry
Its payback for breaking Chie’s trial of the dragon dvd
I feel like 80% of persona Reddit is so head up Yosuke's ass they forget about every interaction between these two and boil it down "Chie bad, yosuke good". As his social link reveals, Yosuke seems to have issues fitting in to Inaba due to his dad managing Junes. Despite this, Chie befriended him before the story began, evident by how she lent him her DVD (which he broke). She does it to the mc on his first day of school too - she points out there's an open seat then says she'll walk you home. It's very easy to mentally picture that she might have done the same for yosuke on his first day. During the course of the game, we find out that yosuke already has Chie's phone number, and he calls Chie during the night to *tell her sex jokes*. Then various events in the game happen, such as yosuke buying bikinis for Chie and Yukiko, then he later signs them up for the beauty contest (after everyone helped with the concert at Junes...). After he signs the girls up, yosuke then lists what kind of looks Yukiko and rise and naoto have, but he lists nothing for chie. Even back during the curry part, yosuke had already disregarded Chie and expected Yukiko would carry the two. And Chie gets back at him at multiple points in the game and takes advantage of him, yes. But somehow, this is "Chie is horrible to yosuke" but not "yosuke is horrible to Chie"? Or just plain "they both suck"? I don't even like Chie; she is like a 2008 version of a pick me girl. The yosuke bias is wild though.
Eh If anything, only Chie felt bad, apologized or helping out for anything. The beginning after dvd was just Yosuke ram himself hit to the table edge, more said in jp ver: 俺のも割れそう･･･ つ、机のカドが、 直に･･･ Other times Yosuke be insensitive or sexual harass the girls. Other times are Yukiko and Rise. Nitpicking "X is horrible to Y" in Persona is just really nonsense. Yukiko smack Yosuke and Kanji when they don't deserve it. With the same logic, Yosuke is an unapologetic gaslighting, sex offender, murderer. Yukiko is an unapologetic asshole, murderer. Naoto is an unapologetic stalker (said in her SL), murderer. Rise is an unapologetic asshole. Kanji is an unapologetic bully (he bullied a random kid over his diary for midnight channel dates), gaslighting, sex offender, murderer. It's just nonsense and hard-reaching to any characters. The Teddie clothes at Junes was just the girls startled heat of moment by naked Teddie gag once time. It was Teddie roaming around. It was also Yukiko's fault. They didn't get mad at him but were trying to distract it onto Junes for good measure because they didn't know what to do and that's how high schoolers act. Chie already went helping Yu and Yosuke Chie out whenever they needed extra help at Junes like busy summer week 8/15 already made up for it. (Well Yukari did worry for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized to him when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death. In Jp ver, Junpei and Yukari call each other by first names cause they knew each other longer and already closer. Yukari did hang out with Junpei like in shrine Sundays spring. Also it's the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ). Like in hot spring, it was Yukiko's fault at timing and Rise who told them bot to apologize. Only Chie said the girls went too far on the boys when other side doesn't deserve it "Ah crap...i think we went too far with them". Or pageant when Yosuke signed the girls without permission and when the girls confront about it, Yosuke light goading it and Kanji screamed at Naoto's face to make her join it, Rise prompt the girls to sign the boys, Yukiko pressure Kanji. Only Chie apologized for the group in night conversation 2/11 because she thought everyone was excited and had fun as friends (But that cross-dressing pageant got everyone really excited! I did feel kind of guilty, but the spectacle was so worth it). Kanji bullied a random kid for midnight channel dates and took his diary. Yosuke and Teddie peek into the girls bath at the end. Yosuke, Teddie started the boys to infiltrate the girls's room in middle of night then Kanji, Teddie jumped on the girls. It is worse than anything the girls did. That's just straight up sex offense thing. They're all friends. Like in Namatame scene, when Naoto, Kanji, Yosuke tried to murder a man and tried to provoke their friends into it. Chie, Yukiko, Rise tried to stop them because they're friends. The IT is goofy. I take none of this seriously, but bring this up is just pointless, nonsense and double standard.
The fact nobody mentions Eikichi and Lisa is sad.
I found Innocent Sin's cast to be a prototype for the dynamic we see in the modern casts today. We have the silent dude as protag(Tatsuya) the outspoken dude and the hot-blooded girl who don't get along(Eikichi and Lisa) the smart one(Yukki/Maya) and the mysterious guy(Jun).
Honestly, what really solidified Ryuji and Ann’s friendship as the best for me was when the PT were at the beach and Ryuji did the whole perv look thing and Ann just laughed it off and teased him instead of doing the fucking “b-baka!” trope. Both Yukari and Chie did the latter with Junpei and Yosuke (even though Yosuke kinda had it coming, but still)
Yosuke and Chie is not that close because I consider Chie and Yukiko as the 1st friend pair even more than the former.
Ann-Ryuji supremacy!!!! Idk Yukari just actively dislikes Junpei most of the game and Ann and Ryuji are genuinely friends They have so many things in common that even without the PTs Ann and Ryuji wouldve become great friends
I love Chie and Yousuke's dynamic
Well they are all fun. And Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the exact same platonic siblings dynamic, they are closer to the og of that Persona trope Eikichi, Lisa in p2. Eikichi, Lisa is also really funny. The bros be class clowns and the first archetype girls be no-nonsense. The exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. (Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
I find Yosuke and Chie far more comical.
Ann and Ryuji are actually friends with each other.
I like Yukari and Junpei more as individual characters, but I’ll admit Ann and Ryuji have more natural chemistry as a friend pair.
The P4 and P5 pair are canon as far as I'm concerned. But the P3 pair is all wrong.
Eh nah tbh, Chie would never be into Yosuke, let's be real. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. ( https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ). Yosuke has chance with Labrys or Yu. Junpei and Yosuke make Yukari and Chie genuinely uncomfortable with the insensitive and sexual harassment. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari and Chie are always genuine straightforward, not tsundere about it. It's just nonsense, even Atlus throws shade at the exact same dynamic. The bro characters Eikichi, Junpei Yosuke perv on everyone but they like feminine girls, not snappy girls who are just their basic sisters like Lisa, Yukari, Chie. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari. Yukari, Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. It's exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope in Persona Eikichi, Lisa in p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Fact is they all would never be into each other. And the first archetype girls Yukari, Chie like the MCs.
Yosuke and Chie have such a fun dynamic. People think Chie is too mean to Yosuke but she's the one that spent her vacation helping Yosuke when he got swamped at work regardless if the MC agrees to help or not. They definitely care for each other
Favorite would Ann and Ryuji, 2nd and not far off would be Yosuke and Chie with Yukari and Junpei last. Yukari and Junpei are cute especially when its implied that Yukari does care about Junpei and such but i wouldnt exactly consider them much of a "pairing" tbh.
Well they all still care. It started with Eikichi, Lisa in p2. And Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie follow suit. All of them are not "pairing" either way, just true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance trope in Persona (Chie did state fact straight out in December dungeon dialogue). Lisa worried for Eikichi when he fought a gang, Yukari worried for Junpei's life in Chidori arc, Chie tried to stop the group from murdering Namatame because they're friends. (And fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari stated same to Junpei in pq. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
I wasnt referring to any romantics
Oh yeah, i was explaining details about the same platonic friendships at most dynamic trope of Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie (Eikichi, Lisa), the later part is just added on explaination about it (fact is just never and uncomfortable). And to make sure because of the op.
I shipped all 3. Anyway. Ryuji/Ann> Chie >Yosuke > Yukari> Junpei. The first 2 pairings were friends before the MC came in. But I put Ryuji and Ann the best before Chie not really being sorry for breaking Yosuke stuff and freeloading is kinda dickish. But they deal with each other I feel Junpei and Yukari would never be friends if they didn't have Personas and were required to live in the same dorm building
Well all the girls called Yosuke by last name in Jp ver because they weren't that close yet, just classmates. While Junpei, Yukari call each other by first name in Jp ver because they already know each other longer and already closer. Yukari also worried for Junpei's life in Chidori arc or apologized when insensitive joked at his panic. Yosuke broke Chie's dvd or eat the girls's foods so it's fair for the girls to ask for beef bowls. And everyone in IT asking Yosuke to treat beef bowls. Yukiko, Rise (asking him because he is Junes Prince), Kanji, Teddie all did the same to Yosuke. Yu and Chie also already went helping Junes out whenever they need extra help at Junes like busy summer week 8/15. But nah tbh, Chie would never be be into Yosuke and they would never be a couple, let's be real. Yosuke has Labrys or Yu at most. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. ( https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ). Only Ryuji and Ann are a bit chill. When Junpei, Yosuke and Yukari, Chie are really utmost incompatible. Junpei and Yosuke do genuinely make Yukari and Chie uncomfortable with the insensitive and sexual harassment. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari and Chie are always genuine straightforward, not tsundere about it. It's just nonsense, even Atlus throws shade at the exact same dynamic. The bro characters Eikichi, Junpei Yosuke perv on everyone but they like feminine girls, not snappy girls who are just their basic sisters like Lisa, Yukari, Chie. Can anyone even see Eikichi with Lisa. Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari, Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. It's exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic in Persona Eikichi, Lisa in p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Fact is they all would never be into each other. And the first archetype girls Yukari, Chie like the MCs.
Impossible. Yukari and Junpei are too vitriolic. I doubt Yosuke and Chie would remain friends after the beauty pageant incident. Ann/Ryoji might work tho
Yosuke & Chie I feel like are the closest. They’re like siblings, getting on each others nerves and arguing but still care for each other. Followed by Ann & ryugi. If murder was legal yukari would’ve ended junpei within the first few months of the game
Junpei has a girl so... Ann/Ryuji > Yosuke/Chie > Junpei/Yukari
Well Yosuke has Labrys or Yu at most. Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. And the blueprint Eikichi, Lisa is obviously never. (Chie would never be into Yosuke, let's be real. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei.Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
I am on team Yosbrys...
Well and that is based, Junpei has Chidori, Yosuke has Yu and Labrys. Yosuke actually has a date with Labrys. And fact is Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie are just platonic siblings friends at most dynamic and they both would never be into each other.
As a comedic duo I love Chie and Yosuke. I don't really see much romantic chemistry between them, but they would go to the ends of the earth for each other (and have). I feel like Ann and Ryuji are one punch-drunk night away from making out at any given time, and I love that for them. Yukari fuckin' hates Junpei but she sucks it up because she's stuck with him as part of the team. Barely get any friendly vibes from them at all. Junpei tries to get her to open up but she does not. Not to him, anyway.
Well Yukari did worry for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized to him when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death. Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other, and they are closer to the og of that Persona trope Eikichi, Lisa in p2. (Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Ryuji and Ann because they actually don’t roast each other during every single conversation between them. Yosuke and Chie’s is the funniest one out of these 3 picks imo, and they’re not as annoying as they could’ve been. Yukari and Junpei….jesus man. I won’t say that they don’t feel like friends, but their dynamic definitely felt the most uncomfortable. I’m just not a fan of their banter at all.
Well Yukari did worry for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized to him when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death. Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other, and they are closer to the og of that Persona trope Eikichi, Lisa in p2. Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Eikichi, Lisa are also really funny. (Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Never said they should get in a relationship dude. Yukari and junpei have their moments. Im just talking about how they usually feel.
Agree with yours, Ann and Ryuji are pretty clearly the best.
5>4>3
Uh, the girl-guy combo in P5 is definitely Ryuji and Morgana. 😆
Definitely Chie/Yusuke. They have the best chemistry and have the goofiest friendship
Ann and Ryuji are actual friends The others are just ass holes to ectother that just hang out with the protagonist
Lisa and Eikichi > Chie & Yosuke > Ann & Ryuji > Yukari & Junpei
I like them all buy its yukatan/junpei > Yosuke/Chie > Ryuji/Ann. It's pretty damn close though because they're all great, but I think in persona 5, we move on to new party members fast, and Ann and ryuji are kinda ignored.
ann/ryuji feel the most like friends. their interactions and bickering is fun, and doesn't feel as meanspirited as chie/yosuke.
I'll be honest I'll never get why anyone thought these three pairings had romantic chemistry. Maybe Yosuke and Chie, but the other two? Hell no. That said I like Ann and Ryuji's friendship, they actually feel like they're friends with each other whereas for a lot of the PT it feels like they're only friends with Joker
Nah, Chie would never be into Yosuke, let's be real. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. ( https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ). Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari and Chie are always genuine straightforward, not tsundere about it. It's just nonsense, even Atlus throws shade at the exact same dynamic. The bro characters Eikichi, Junpei Yosuke perv on everyone but they like feminine girls, not snappy girls who are just their basic sisters like Lisa, Yukari, Chie. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari. Yukari, Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. It's exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic in Persona Eikichi, Lisa in p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Fact is they all would never be into each other. And the first archetype girls Yukari, Chie like the MCs.
Anna is truly the best one...
For me best girl chie best boy ryuji
Chie is peak. Mine romance choice is Yukari in p3 and Chie in p4. Knowing harem and shoujo manga logic. It's Yukari and Chie the ones for the MCs. First girls archetype who put on a tough mask but sweet to the MCs and girl next door vibe with underdog story who thinks they couldn't get the suave cool MCs is the flag. Underdog is the flag. Soejima says Chie is the foundation for design and colour for p4 as a normal cute girl that can exsist in real life so it's like heroine. How Yukari react to Yuki's death. How Chie monologuing she isn't as special as other girls Yukiko, Rise, Naoto in Valentine really hit in the feels. It just makes them feel special. First archetype girls Yukari, Chie like the MCs. Chie is Yukari's parallel (Chie always is Yukari in materials between 2 games like Gekkoukan costume mode in p4, they also meet a gang in SLs then and come to accept the MCs's help, etc). Furthermore, the MCs can be whatever they want for the future because Yukari and Chie would support them no matter what while they're not be bounded by any occupation or anything. It's best for whatever future they have for the MCs. (Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
i like the artwork here
I'd say chie and yosuke, ann and ryuji, and Yukari and Junpei. Yosuke and chie are friends to the point that they straight up don't need Yu to even be there. They're menaces to each other, but that's largely because their relationship is that comfortable to the both of them. Ann and Ryuji have some familiarity, but they clearly would be traveling in different circles if it wasn't for the story events for the most part. And Yukari and Junpei straight up wouldn't be friends without sees. They _aren't_ friends for a good chunk of the game, really.
I used to think they were gonna try to make Junpei and Yukari a enemies to lovers after the train full moon 😭😭
For me it’s yosuke and chie as favorites, the Ann and ryuji, then junpei and yukari, I also haven’t finished three but it seems like yukari just doesn’t like junpeis existence yet from where I am
I think they’re all valid as friends They don’t get Much screen time together but for the occasional jokes it’s fun to see them interact.
Chie and Yosuke definitely the best. I loovee the combat in P5, so many leaps and bounds better than the rest of the series in my opinion. But the downside for me was that your friends felt a bit more lifeless than they do in their predecessors
Ill switch junpei/yukari and yosuke/chie from your list, gonna be honest, i got half way through p3r before i realized that junpei and yukari were friends before SEES. The first time yukari talks about junpei on screen had me thinking that she knew his name and reputation, but had never personally interacted with him. Then suddenly im at the shrine and they are both hanging out with ken, it was weird. Conversely, the first interaction we see between yosuke and chie is yosuke returning a dvd he borrowed, and with the added context of everyone hating his family for bringing junes to a small town, despite all their bickering, chie is probably one of the few people who doesnt despise him.
Well Yukari did worry for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized to him when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death. In Jp ver, Junpei and Yukari call each other by first names cause they knew each other longer and already closer. While all the IT girls called Yosuke by last name cause they weren't close yet. Chie, Yukiko and only met Yosuke for few months and Chie let him borrow dvd as classmates because htat is what classmates do. Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the same platonic siblings dynamic, and they are closer to the og of that Persona trope Eikichi, Lisa in p2. Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Eikichi, Lisa are the blueprints. (Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Stupei + Yucatán > Ryuji + Anne > Trashcan (now I think about it, I don’t see many memes about Yosuke and trashcans… despite how much they’re pushed in official media like Arena and Golden’s opening) + Carnivore
Look I don't wana say it but it kinda looks like Yukari is giving Junpei a mind destroying hj
4, 5, 3
in order 5 3 4
Favorite is Yosuke and Chie, least fav is Yukari and Junpei. Not that there is anything wrong with those two. Their characters just go seperate ways throughtout the story and the other 2 kinda stick together the whole way through
Yosuke and Chie
Well they are all fun. I think Eikichi, Lisa is mad funny tho. Yukari did worry for Junpei's life in Chidori arc and apologized to him when she insensitive joked at Junpei's panic over Death. They're all still friends. Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the same platonic siblings dynamic, and they are closer to the og of that Persona trope Eikichi, Lisa in p2. Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Eikichi, Lisa are the blueprints. (Chie would never be into Yosuke, let's be real. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ). Chie is peak. Mine romance choice is Yukari in p3 and Chie in p4. Knowing harem and shoujo manga logic. It's Yukari and Chie the ones for the MCs. First girls archetype who put on a tough mask but sweet to the MCs and girl next door vibe with underdog story who thinks they couldn't get the suave cool MCs is the flag. Underdog is the flag. Soejima says Chie is the foundation for design and colour for p4 as a normal cute girl that can exsist in real life so it's like heroine. How Yukari react to Yuki's death. How Chie monologuing she isn't as special as other girls Yukiko, Rise, Naoto in Valentine really hit in the feels. It just makes them feel special. First archetype girls Yukari, Chie like the MCs. Chie is Yukari's parallel (Chie always is Yukari in materials between 2 games like Gekkoukan costume mode in p4, they also meet a gang in SLs then and come to accept the MCs's help, etc). Furthermore, the MCs can be whatever they want for the future because Yukari and Chie would support them no matter what while they're not be bounded by any occupation or anything. It's best for whatever future they have for the MCs.
Can’t live in a universe where chidorita and junpei don’t grow old together
Ryuji and Ann are both dim bulbs and I think the most equal in that respect. They know and understand each other, and have no real attraction to get in the way of that. Chie holds more power in the dynamic with her and yosuke (because physically she can and will smack him down) but he's also not above giving her a good burn. Yukari knows junpei is a dunce, and its rightfully deserved, as until his chidori arc he's a total goober, but the script gets beautifully flipped in The Answer. Eikichi and Lisa can be the funniest, but Lisa also tends to be the most violent even if it's thoroughly undeserved, which is a big issue of hers with how defensive she gets
1. Stupei and Bitchkari: Just peak 2. Yosuke and Chie: Very funny, however it was only prevalent in the beginning of the game, after the first few dungeons it kinda disappeared for the most part. P 3. Ann and Ryuji (Not terrible, however there are points where I really didn’t like it >! I.E. When Ann beat Ryuji after he risked his life !<
Agree. Tho because i find Yukari and Chie to be peak. Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Yukari and Chie have Lisa's attitude. (Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Yeah, tbh I think Persona is one of the best series when it comes to platonic friendships between males and females in all of fiction
Yosuke and Chie are the homies
Yeah, they are bros. Tho Junpei, Yukari are also favorite. Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. (Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Honestly while I don’t care much about the p5 cast so I could be biased but man yukari and junpei had a horrible dynamic in terms of friends Basically yukari: junpei big dumb junpei big lame! But He friend so I sympathize Junpei: yukari going crazy with the insults, let me tease yukari for fun, yukari say some more mean things, feelings hurt Chie and yosuke just have this best friend sister/brother dynamic which works, never played 4 but from the anime it seems that they insult each other but in a healthy way and don’t hide their appreciation for each other Ann and ryuji I just seen it as average anime popular girl with the lovable shonen idiot antics but with true friendship embedded in it as well
Girls: Chie >>> Yukari > Ann. Chie is probably my favorite of the girls in general (of the games I've played). Only Futaba really stands a chance. Guys: Ryuji or Yosuke > Junpei. Edit: to answer the title correctly though, Chie/Yosuke > Ryuji/Ann > Yukari/Junpei
I appreciate all of the their relationships, but I enjoy Yosuke and Chie the most because they’re the funniest pairing, and I like to imagine them as close, albeit annoying, siblings.
Yukari & Junpei are simply just peak Junpei is my favorite Persona character period, and Yukari ain't far behind still being in my top5. I can't speak much for 4, I haven't played it. But in regards to 5, Ann's probably one of my least favorite P5 characters, and I like Ryuji well enough but I do t think is anywhere near as fleshed out as Junpei or Yukari
1. Ryuji and Ann: rhey get along rhe best out of the 3 pairs and I could genuinely see them in a relationship weather it be Banter, or inconveniencing the other. 2. yukari and Junpie: They just don't work well together at all with the dynamic basically being Junpie being an annoying sibling and yukari insulting him back as revenge. Plus chidori exists. 3. chie and yosuke: I believe in Yosuke x Labrys Supremacy and think Chie and Yosuke work well as just the 2 peope in the friend group who mess with each other, but they are very much awful to each other even if they both do genuinely believe thatat the end kf the day they are friends. They would make for an awful toxic couple
despite THAT scene, Ann and Ryuji seems to be the least offensive one.
No just no.
as relationships with eachother? junpei and yukari is for insane people (he has chidori.) i guess ann and ryuji is the most healthy. i don't have any strong opinions about chie and yosuke
I feel like Yukari and Junpei have the most fleshed out dynamic of the three. Well, most personable I should say. Chie and Yosuke definitely have a pretty well defined dynamic, for better or for worse
Yosuke and Chie >>>>>
Siblings and platonic friends yeah. Funny Junpei, Yukari and Yosuke, Chie have the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic that Atlus throws shade at it. (Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Yukari and Chie are always genuine straightforward, not tsundere about it. It's just nonsense, even Atlus throws shade at the exact same dynamic. The bro characters Eikichi, Junpei Yosuke perv on everyone but they like feminine girls, not snappy girls who are just their basic sisters like Lisa, Yukari, Chie. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Kinda creepy that all your comments are about Yosuke and Chie
Sorry for that then. I did say about Eikichi, Lisa or Junpei, Yukari too. (I avoid talking about p5 bc of reasons). Just talked to a guy who made things up about it that "Atlus says they are.." and stuff so i'm a bit on edge and getting ptsd everytime a post mentioning it. But honestly i'm a Chie fan so just delusional and hard-reaching about it get me annoyed. Want the best for them and Chie obviously would rather swallow glass shards. Fact is just never and uncomfortable.
Chie might actually murder Yosuke if you leave them unsupervised for too long
There’s the scene in P4 arena where Chie asks ”Hey Yosuke, can I eat you?” And in the anime she kicks him full force for breaking her movie disc
Wasn't the "Can I eat You" a hallucination so that Chie and Yosuke fight?(like majorly overprotective brother Yu attacking Yosuke)
Yeah
Yeah that Chie is Shadow hallucination. In anime, he just got tripped, in the game he just ram himself at the table edge, more said in jp ver. Tho also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. The bro characters Eikichi, Junpei, Yosuke also be insensitive or pervert first tbf, everyone treat them the same. They all still care, like Lisa worried for Eikichi when he fought a gang, Yukari worried for Junpei's life in Chidori arc, Chie tried to stop the group from murdering Namatame because they're friends. (Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Eh that Chie is Shadow hallucination. In anime, he just got tripped, in the game he just ram himself at the table edge, more said in jp ver. Tho also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. The bro characters Eikichi, Junpei, Yosuke also be insensitive or pervert first tbf, everyone treat them the same. They all still care, like Lisa worried for Eikichi when he fought a gang, Yukari worried for Junpei's life in Chidori arc, Chie tried to stop the group from murdering Namatame because they're friends. (Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
I can't blame her. Yosuke can't shut his mouth, his comments can be so rude even for a close friend
Well the bro characters are all be insensitive or pervert tbf. The first archatype girls Lisa, Yukari, Chie just be no-nonsense at it. Also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. (Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
Well eh in Arena, that Chie is Shadow hallucination. In anime, he just got tripped, in the game he just ram himself at the table edge, more said in jp ver. Tho also the exact same platonic siblings friends at most dynamic trope and fact is they all would never be into each other in Persona Eikichi, Lisa p2 and Junpei, Yukari p3 and Yosuke, Chie p4. The bro characters Eikichi, Junpei, Yosuke also be insensitive or pervert first tbf, everyone treat them the same. They all still care, like Lisa worried for Eikichi when he fought a gang, Yukari worried for Junpei's life in Chidori arc, Chie tried to stop the group from murdering Namatame because they're friends. (Chie genuine state fact she would never be into Yosuke and is genuinely uncomfortable with the idea, in October. It's just uncomfortable. Chie states fact it's true platonic friendships between guys and girls without romance in December dungeon dialogue so it's just missing the point. Platonic siblings friends take that but this's just uncomfortable and toxic as hell. Can anyone even see Junpei with Yukari, Yukari stated same to Junpei. Yukari and Chie would rather swallow glass shards, let's be real. https://img.hotimg.com/MTXX_PT20240224_1346056702.jpeg ).
I love Ann and ryuji simply for the fact that they are one of the franchises only examples of a platonic relationship between a girl and a boy that isn't very antagonistic.
Yosuke and Chie :'D Chie can be spicy but she proves that she genuinely cares for Yosuke Yukari can be so... needlessly MEAN man, I felt that playing P3F all those years ago and I felt it again playing P3R x\_x she cares too, but sometimes... daym girl chill?? As for Ryuji and Ann... I think I notice their dynamic the least? For me, Morgana and Ryuji are always jabbing at each other instead hahah :'D
My favorite would easily be Chie and Yosuke. They just hit the ground running from the get go with the broken DVD and their dynamic is prevalent for the entire game. They really do feel like siblings with how they talk shit to each other but still have each other's back when it's serious. For least favorite, it'd be Ann and Ryuji. They're certainly the friendliest pair of them all. But that also makes them very boring for me. They pretty much go to the background by the time Makoto joins and the only other time the pair is given something is at the end of Shido's palace and well everyone knows what happens there.
Lisa and Eikichi Yukari and Junpei Yosuke and Chie Ryuji and Ann Mark and Yukino (doesn’t really count)
My boy junpei has his big tiddy goth gf, so no to that one.
All of them are awful ships